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Session Start: Thu Jan 25 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #webdesign
[03:45] <nicewon> hi
[09:45] * WarOmeg[a is now known as WarOmega
[10:31] <stormwind> what's it like being a professional web designer for a company. do you us
[10:31] <Oblive> i think it would depnd on every situation
[10:32] <Oblive> some places only have one dsigner..some have 10...some use templates..some d
[10:32] <stormwind> i see
[10:32] <quisling> it totally depends on the size of the company.
[10:32] <Oblive> exatcly
[10:32] <Oblive> and their processes.
[10:33] <Oblive> everythign varies by the place
[10:33] <stormwind> am i better off spending my time learnin a little of everything html/css/
[10:33] <quisling> stormwind, if you're going to any large company, design and development ar
[10:34] <Oblive> good point
[10:35] <stormwind> im goin whereever will take me so i guess i have to be pretty broad in my
[10:36] <quisling> "few months"?
[10:36] <stormwind> i already know basics of html/css/php/javascript/photoshop so im not star
[10:36] <quisling> do you have any experience?
[10:36] <quisling> do you have a portfolio online?
[10:36] <stormwind> i can hand code stuff, i know C and perl and linux. i have no portfolio a
[10:37] <quisling> do you have any examples of your work?
[10:37] <stormwind> i can make some basic stuff to show within a week im sure
[10:37] <quisling> good luck.
[10:37] <Oblive> haha
[10:37] <stormwind> i have no idea what i should make that would impress anyone though
[10:37] <Oblive> yeah basic..thats what employers are looking for.
[10:37] <quisling> just throwing some shit together isn't going to impress ayone.
[10:37] <stormwind> i know what's why i havent :P
[10:37] <quisling> stormwind, did you study anything related to webdesign/development in coll
[10:37] <stormwind> what do you recommend i make?
[10:38] <stormwind> i didnt go to college. i studied graphic design on my own for a year thou
[10:38] <Oblive> depends on what type of job you are goign for.
[10:38] <stormwind> web designer and/or developer
[10:38] <Oblive> corporate web design?
[10:38] <quisling> studying graphic design 'on your own' doesn't count for anything.
[10:38] <Oblive> small business design?
[10:38] <quisling> stormwind, go to college.
[10:38] <Oblive> i could beg to differ.
[10:38] <Oblive> mind you i am not completely unschooled..
[10:38] <stormwind> any place thta will hire me :)
[10:39] <Oblive> but im am mostly self taught
[10:39] <Oblive> and im not doing so bad.
[10:39] <Oblive> and stormwind..
[10:39] <Oblive> good luck with that
[10:39] <quisling> stormwind, you have no experience, no portfolio, no samples, you're a bit
[10:39] <Oblive> way behind
[10:39] <quisling> and you're what, 17?
[10:39] <stormwind> i have programming experience but i didnt do web related things
[10:39] <quisling> What have you programmed?
[10:39] <stormwind> no im 31
[10:40] <quisling> 31? okay, so what have you been doing for the past 13 years?
[10:40] <stormwind> working non computer jobs, accept a couple of freelance things
[10:40] <Oblive> you will need a portfolio no matter what
[10:40] <quisling> okay, so english isn't a strong point.
[10:41] <stormwind> but i was also learnin computer related stuff everyday so im skilled in m
[10:41] <quisling> what kind of non-computer jobs? cause you know, you can't just jump into d
[10:41] <stormwind> microsoft office stuff basically and completely non computer related stuf
[10:42] <quisling> so the freelance things were web related?
[10:42] <stormwind> however i know enough about computers that if i focus on one subject i wi
[10:42] <quisling> it takes more than a few months to master anything.
[10:42] <quisling> I mean, why don't you go become a cobbler or something.
[10:42] <stormwind> freelance thing were mostly design/programming related
[10:42] <Arrakis> .
[10:42] <stormwind> that's why i didnt say master
[10:43] <quisling> and are those freelance things online?
[10:43] <stormwind> no
[10:43] <stormwind> i did them for people on irc and got screwed, they didnt pay me and they
[10:43] <Arrakis> lolz
[10:43] <Arrakis> omg
[10:43] <Arrakis> no wayz?????????/
[10:43] <stormwind> the stuff i did wasnt that good anyway so i didnt care
[10:43] <quisling> and you didn't keep copies of the work?
[10:43] <stormwind> it was lame logos and some php/mysql patches
[10:43] <stormwind> i did but i lost the backups
[10:43] <quisling> okay, so you suck, you're gullible, you have no experience, you have no sk
[10:43] <Arrakis> klol
[10:43] <stormwind> i have skills
[10:43] <stormwind> but that's it
[10:43] <quisling> so what's stopping you?
[10:44] <Arrakis> drive
[10:44] <Arrakis> motivation
[10:44] <Arrakis> know-ho
[10:44] <stormwind> nothing, im just here asking for advise on what i should do
[10:44] <Arrakis> and that damn peskyh neigbhor
[10:44] <quisling> seriously, why don't you consider becoming a cobbler. They make a lot of m
[10:44] <Arrakis> damn
[10:44] <Arrakis> i'm starving :(
[10:45] <stormwind> i can see what you're saying. you think i'm i know nothing and that i'm b
[10:45] <Arrakis> lol
[10:45] <Arrakis> don't mind quisling
[10:45] <Arrakis> he has a lot of good stuff to say
[10:45] <Arrakis> but he is a bit harsh :p
[10:45] <Arrakis> you probably lack focus
[10:45] <Arrakis> if you have focus you can take skills and innovation and make something tan
[10:45] <stormwind> focus is the one thing i dont lack
[10:45] <stormwind> that was my main question, i have focus, but what to focus on
[10:46] <Arrakis> anything
[10:46] <quisling> Focus on shoe repair.
[10:46] <Arrakis> find something or somewhere that you wantto be in 2 months
[10:46] <stormwind> and my specific question was
[10:46] <Arrakis> and work towards that
[10:46] <stormwind> which should i focus on, building a portfolio or building up my skills in
[10:46] <Arrakis> portfolio
[10:46] <stormwind> thank you
[10:46] <stormwind> jeesh :P
[10:46] <quisling> stormwind, it's kind of funny. you say you have focus, but then you ask if
[10:46] <Arrakis> skills are nothing if you can't show case them
[10:47] <stormwind> thanks arrakis
[10:47] <stormwind> thanks to no one else for just giving me a hard time and not being seriou
[10:48] <quisling> I like how he's done some stuff "accept two freelance projects"
[10:49] <Arrakis> lmao
[10:49] <Arrakis> i wonder how old he was
[10:49] <Arrakis> or should say is
[10:49] <Arrakis> lol
[10:49] <Arrakis> since i've not killed him, yet
[10:50] <quisling> 31
[10:50] <Arrakis> hmmm
[10:50] <Arrakis> weird
[10:50] <quisling> yeah, exactly...
[10:50] <Arrakis> i would have thought it was that number turned around
[10:50] <quisling> a little early for a mid-life crisis
[10:50] <quisling> haha yeah.
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[14:28] <xUMa> how do u deal with IE/Firefox differences
[14:28] <xUMa> kuz my site looks decent in Firefox
[14:28] <xUMa> but in IE it looks like shit
[14:31] <xUMa> www.digitaldropoff.com
[14:32] <spank> fix your code, its a mess
[14:32] <spank> you have improperly closed table elements everywhere
[14:32] <xUMa> hmmmmm
[14:32] <xUMa> shit
[14:32] <insomniac> colspan=150?
[14:32] <insomniac> wtf :D
[14:32] <insomniac> HEHe
[14:33] <xUMa> can't u tell this is my first site
[14:33] <xUMa> =]
[14:33] <insomniac> you open tags all over the place without closing them
[14:33] <insomniac> :P
[14:33] <spank> i'm amazed firefox even renders that
[14:33] <insomniac> yeh indeed
[14:34] <xUMa> k let me work on that
[14:34] <xUMa> hopefully i can fix
[14:34] <spank> your body tag starts before your head tags, fix that, too
[14:36] <quisling> http://validator.w3.org
[14:43] <xUMa> damn its tough to correct your own errors when u just dont get it
[14:46] <xUMa> quisling that site is dope
[14:47] <quisling> xUMa,your HTML is terrible.
[14:49] <xUMa> i know quit dogging me
[14:49] <spank> nobody is dogging you
[14:50] <spank> he didn't call you a fag
[14:50] <spank> just said your code blows
[14:50] <spank> fag
[14:50] <spank> :P
[14:50] <xUMa> is there a cleaner way to do
[14:50] <xUMa> <center><img src="top.jpg"></center>
[14:51] <xUMa> i tried <img src="top.jpg" align="middle"> and no dice
[14:51] <quisling> yeah, center isn't allowed anymore.
[14:51] <quisling> and you've got MUCH bigger problems.
[14:52] <xUMa> quisling you are a fucking cunt
[14:52] <xUMa> i know the code blows shut the fuckup bitch
[14:52] <quisling> hahaha
[14:52] <quisling> what a dick.
[15:01] <A1_sauce> quisling may be a cunt but he's got nice eyes
[15:01] <A1_sauce> hehe
[15:01] <Oblive> LOL
[15:06] <A1_sauce> hey oblivE
[15:06] <A1_sauce> didnt know you hang out here too
[17:59] * Oblive1 is now known as Oblive
[21:55] <ork> Would someone have info on how to craft one of those handy form fields where yo
[22:53] <spank> ork: google captcha, tons of scripts and tutorials on making them
[22:53] <ork> Thanks. I appreciate it.
[22:54] <spank> http://www.white-hat-web-design.co.uk/articles/php-captcha.php
[22:54] <spank> here's a decent one
[22:55] <ork> this is just what I needed
Session Close: Fri Jan 26 00:00:00 2007