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Session Start: Fri Sep 01 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #unixhelp
[05:14] <gita> good morning
[05:18] <gita> ah. how to tell it's the first of the month: dozen or more "mailing list membe
[05:39] <Battosai> poor gita
[05:39] <Church> 'lo adobeman
[05:41] <Battosai> hi
[06:47] <gita> :-)
[07:35] <Figz> you can turn them off.. but then how would you know it's the first?
[08:09] <Mr_You> can't resist.
[08:09] <Mr_You> http://www.boysstuff.co.uk/product.asp?id=13569&src=Home "The Potty Putter
[08:10] * cyberfrg is now known as heretic
[08:16] <heretic> Mr_You: hehe saw that earlier, it's supercheap ... like $14 i think i saw
[08:16] <heretic> been contimplating it
[08:19] <Mr_You> seriously?
[08:27] <Mouring> mr_you, that is just sick.
[08:28] <Mouring> Everyone know you need to be text messaging or IRCing from a toliet!
[08:32] <Church> konnichiwa mouring
[08:34] <Church> anyone can advise how should i refer in shellscripting last specific day of
[08:39] <Mouring> morn' Church.
[08:39] <dhartmei> add 7 days, if the month (+%m) changes due to that, it was the last specif
[08:43] <Church> mhmm, gonna try.
[08:53] <dhartmei> echo -n "today is "; if [ $(date +%m) -eq $(date -r $(echo $(date +%s) + 7
[08:57] <Figz> handling time is so fscking annoying..
[08:57] <dhartmei> probably has a small failure case in the week prior to DST change ;)
[08:57] <Figz> DST should be abolished
[08:58] <Figz> I like the concept, but the implementation is just discrimination against morn
[08:58] <dhartmei> and against programmers, too ;)
[08:58] <Battosai> dst?
[08:58] <Figz> yea, it's a pain all around
[08:58] <Figz> especially when idjuts like dubya go and *change* the fscking thing
[08:58] <dhartmei> daylight saving time, the night you lose or gain an hour
[08:58] <Figz> no concept of the electronic hell that unleashes
[08:59] <Battosai> ah
[08:59] <Battosai> i hate that -__
[08:59] <Church> i wonder when DST was first introduced
[08:59] <Figz> it was ben franklin's idea, iirc
[08:59] <Battosai> I came from place didnt have dst stuff
[08:59] <dhartmei> when cows giving more milk was still outweighing the hours people waste re
[08:59] <Figz> it made sense in the days before electric lighting, so more use could be made
[09:00] <Battosai> I mean.. big deal if the sun goes down abit earlier during specific season
[09:00] <Figz> so people could get up an "5" instead of "4" am
[09:00] <Battosai> if you go up abit more north
[09:00] <Battosai> sun doesnt go down till like freaking 11pm at night or something
[09:00] <Figz> but you don't need to reset the fscking clocks to get up later
[09:00] <Mouring> Dont trust anyone that gets up before noon.. I sure dont.
[09:00] <Battosai> lol
[09:01] <Battosai> I dont get up before noon in asia.. how's that?
[09:01] <Mouring> batt, i don't trust you period.
[09:01] <Battosai> oh hush
[09:01] <Church> ;>
[09:02] <Battosai> you can't live without me!
[09:02] <Battosai> what's fun without able to abuse some monkey everyday...
[09:02] <Battosai> your life will bore you
[09:07] <Mouring> I hate considering table design when it comes to building out financial sys
[09:07] <Battosai> hehe
[09:08] <Battosai> kitty is having fun
[09:15] <Mouring> No actually Im not.. Im hoping to make it through the day in a quiet way.
[09:16] <Battosai> :)
[09:16] <Battosai> me too
[09:16] <Battosai> but I have a maintenance in 2 hours
[09:16] <Battosai> I'm just going to take the network down..
[09:16] <Battosai> screw it..
[09:16] <Battosai> I'm having terrible week anyway
[09:16] <Battosai> like I give a crap
[09:16] <Mouring> I'm designing new tables that are being shoehorned into a prouct because it
[09:17] <Battosai> :-/
[09:17] <Mouring> luckily this area of code isn't being used in production so I have the abil
[09:18] <Battosai> I'm changing production today!
[09:21] * ian-_ is now known as ian
[09:44] <Mouring> there we go.. I think I have a grasp as to what the flying fuck I'm doing..
[09:45] <Battosai> you wish.. LOL
[09:45] * Battosai grins evilly
[09:45] <Mouring> I hope.. At least hope the infrastructure I have written down in flexible e
[09:48] <Battosai> amazing, I'm doing real work today
[09:48] * Battosai only puts on head phone when he's really working :p
[10:03] <Battosai> wow.. I'm super broke again
[10:08] <Mouring> how can you broke again?!? You mean still?!
[11:11] <[Supreme> is there a command that can give you stats within a directory
[11:11] <[Supreme> like how many files, how many folders
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[11:23] * Topic is 'Welcome to #unixhelp, ask your question as clearly as possible, and wait for he
[11:23] * Set by Hawson!8fY02Y5jBK@agricola.ms.northwestern.edu on Thu Aug 17 14:56:18
[11:29] <Figz> Supreme, not as such, but it's pretty easy to implement..
[11:30] <Figz> ls -l |awk '/^-/ { f++ } /^d/ { d++ } END { print "files", f; print "dirs", d
[11:31] <Figz> wouldn't surprise me if some programs to give pretty stats did exist somewhere
[11:36] <[Supreme> thx
[11:41] <belter> bash?
[12:07] <Mouring> whom?
[12:23] <belter> will autocad print to a gerber enVision vinyl cutter/plotter ?
[12:26] <wettoast> ok, anyone actually see snakes on a plane? is it worth seeing, or is it ju
[12:28] * roycroft can't imagine it's worth seeing
[12:29] <wettoast> it seems crappy, and the imdb review is pretty poor
[12:29] <wettoast> even though it score above 7
[12:30] <roycroft> my taste in cinema is atypical, admittedly
[12:31] <roycroft> which means my opinions need to be taken with that in mind
[12:31] <wettoast> well, i do like action movies
[12:31] <wettoast> so i would prefer to go see Crank
[12:37] <wettoast> "The opening night crowd that attended the film with me is exactly why peo
[12:37] <wettoast> hah, its official, im not seeing this movie.
[12:37] <arno> figz: d-2. you dont want . and ..
[12:40] <arno> never mind. my ls is la -la
[12:40] <arno> ls -la
[12:52] <stdio> anyone working as admin in the field of dedicated hosting?
[12:52] <stdio> i'm wondering how people cope with files created under mod_php that end up ow
[12:57] <roycroft> i think people should have their cell phones confiscated at the door when
[12:58] <roycroft> either that or there should be special showings of films for people over 3
[13:03] <stdio> what if you are a doctor and it's an emergency? the lack of phone prevents yo
[13:04] <wettoast> then you do go out when you're on call
[13:04] <wettoast> or set your phone on vibrate
[13:05] <roycroft> pagers still work fine
[13:05] <roycroft> people should not be taking phone calls at the cinema regardless of who th
[13:05] <wettoast> yeah, but who uses pagers anymore?
[13:06] <roycroft> but it's not nearly as rude as the hundreds of kiddies who sit in the cine
[13:06] <roycroft> sometimes it's almost as bright from the cell phone screens as if they had
[13:06] <roycroft> lots of people still have pagers
[13:06] <roycroft> like most doctors
[13:09] <wettoast> perhaps, i have not seen anyone use a pager for years
[13:10] <roycroft> pagers are still more reliable than cell phones
[13:10] <roycroft> and have vastly greater coverage than cell phones
[13:20] <mongo-> if your a doctor don't go to the movies on a night your on-call
[13:20] <mongo-> or get up and walk out
[13:28] <Mr_You> and also most cell phones don't have a satisfactory paging alert.
[13:28] <Mr_You> won't wake you up.
[13:31] <roycroft> right
[13:31] <roycroft> if you're on call 24/7 and can't go anywhere without your cell phone it su
[13:33] * roycroft thinks cell phones should be banned in restaurants too
[13:34] * roycroft also things whiny crying children's parents should be banned from restaurants
[13:34] <roycroft> it used to be that when you kid started acting up you took the kid outside
[13:34] <roycroft> now parents don't care
[13:39] <wettoast> or fear the police for trying to discipline their kids
[13:41] <wettoast> kids have way too much control these days, and as a result lack of respect
[13:42] <Darkclaw> wettoast thats a bold statement
[13:42] <roycroft> yes, but the problem lies with the parents in the end
[13:42] <Darkclaw> exactly
[13:43] <wettoast> bold or not, thats how it is
[13:43] <wettoast> sure
[13:43] <roycroft> if parents did their jobs kids would not have the control that they do
[13:43] <wettoast> but lets take our schools for example, and i speak from experience
[13:43] <roycroft> that having been said, parents have a much more difficult job these days
[13:43] <Darkclaw> on the other hand, is it possible for a kid to have too much control and a
[13:43] <wettoast> when i want to grade school in europe, if you were misbehaving you got you
[13:43] <wettoast> here, that would be unheard of, teacher would get fired
[13:43] <Darkclaw> wettoast over here that would be child abuse...
[13:44] <wettoast> here kids have 0 respect for their teacher, they do whatever they want
[13:44] <Darkclaw> you can't even slap a kid without getting arrested or written up in some w
[13:44] <wettoast> there is a differenc between child abuse and discipline
[13:44] <wettoast> try reasoning with an over active ten year old brat
[13:44] <wettoast> it doesnt work, a sound thrashing on the ass does.
[13:44] <Darkclaw> I know man but my wife is a therapist and one of her clients said her Dad
[13:45] <roycroft> the feudal system that is steadily develouping in this country is forcing
[13:46] <Darkclaw> I think there are some states where its legal to "discipline" children eve
[13:46] <Mr_You> uhh 10 years old is a little old for spanking no?
[13:47] <roycroft> that, coupled with the increased influence of media on society which both
[13:47] <roycroft> only 20 years ago or so
[13:47] <wettoast> Mr_You: whatever, use a belt then.
[13:47] <Darkclaw> well I got my share of "discipline" till I was in my early 20s lol
[13:47] <Mr_You> wettoast: uhh point still stands.
[13:47] * roycroft does not believe in spanking, period
[13:48] <wettoast> right, you may hurt your hand, use a belt.
[13:48] <Darkclaw> I have to say this, my sister who has a 2 year old hasn't spanked her kid
[13:48] <wettoast> exactly
[13:48] <Mr_You> I have to say this.. the kid is out of control because of the parents discpl
[13:48] <wettoast> kids are kids, you cant reason with them, but a little pain they understan
[13:49] <Darkclaw> I don't know giving them a time-out is a form of true discipline
[13:49] <Mr_You> yeah right, if you want to be ignorant.
[13:49] <wettoast> lol, time-out, thats a joke
[13:49] <Mr_You> punishment doesn't have to be physical. :-P
[13:49] <Darkclaw> man I wish I had time-outs when I was a kid...
[13:49] <Mr_You> wettoast has no clue.
[13:49] <wettoast> how do i not havea clue?
[13:49] <Mr_You> I had time outs.. it was called being sent to your room.
[13:49] <Darkclaw> I suspect that wettoast is speaking from experience though
[13:50] <wettoast> i am speaking from personal experience
[13:50] <Mr_You> wettoast: thinking physical punishment is the only answer.
[13:50] <wettoast> i was born in europe, and came to canada t the age of 10
[13:50] <roycroft> that does not mean that spanking is necessary, darkclaw
[13:50] <roycroft> it only means your sister does not know how to discipline her child
[13:50] <wettoast> and i can tell you kids in europe have much more repsect for elders than k
[13:50] <Mr_You> seriously, if anyone thinks spanking is the only answer to discipline then t
[13:50] <Mr_You> roycroft: yup
[13:50] <wettoast> no, its not. but sometimes its required.
[13:51] <roycroft> and i contend that it is not
[13:51] <roycroft> yet again we disagree on something
[13:51] <Darkclaw> I don't know, im the wrong person to give advice... all I can say is what
[13:51] <roycroft> but i still don't hate you
[13:51] <wettoast> then you should meet my friends 12 year old son
[13:51] <wettoast> i dare you to reason with him
[13:51] <Mr_You> the threat of a spanking should carry far more wait than the spanking itself
[13:51] <wettoast> words just dont work on him
[13:51] <Mr_You> s/threat/warning/
[13:51] <roycroft> it's too late by the time they're 12 if they haven't been raised properly
[13:51] <wettoast> but, when his father layw down the law, he listends
[13:52] <Darkclaw> I think kids should know their place and the moment they get out of their
[13:52] <Mr_You> wettoast: dude.. 12 years old? 10 years old? you don't get it, its almost
[13:52] <Mr_You> darkclaw: oh brother
[13:52] <Darkclaw> do any of you even have any kids? I don't but im just wondering if anyone
[13:52] <Mr_You> I've seen enough Super Nanny shows haha
[13:52] <Darkclaw> that show is so fake
[13:52] <Mr_You> its always the parents fault.
[13:53] <Mr_You> uhhh o-k
[13:53] <wettoast> Mr_You: sure, my point is that most americans dont displine their kids
[13:53] <Darkclaw> i think wettoast is right, he's not specifically saying hitting but just d
[13:53] <roycroft> i've raised two children
[13:54] <roycroft> i did not sire them but i raised them almost from birth
[13:54] <Darkclaw> a good definition for discipline: punishment inflicted by way of correctio
[13:54] <Mr_You> well, I don't see how people can label a kid "bad" at age 10 or 12, when its
[13:55] <Darkclaw> I don't have kids but I have two dogs and I smack them on the nose when th
[13:55] <Darkclaw> I think theres a difference between using a belt and smacking a kid on the
[13:56] <Mr_You> like my cousin, his parents gripe about him living off them... his dad asked
[13:56] <Darkclaw> Mr_You what would be the incentive for the kid to get a job?
[13:56] <Mr_You> thats up to him to decide.
[13:57] <Mr_You> perhaps having a roof over his head might be good enough, but his parents do
[13:57] <roycroft> charging rent is a good incentive
[13:57] <Darkclaw> or just not pay for anything they have, cell phones, Internet, etc
[13:57] <Mr_You> yeah but they have a history of helping pay his way... course he's young (mu
[13:58] <Darkclaw> hopefully he's handy-capable and not handy-capped ;)
[13:58] <roycroft> they should wean him
[13:58] <roycroft> it can be done
[13:58] <roycroft> but it's going to be a lot of effort on the parents' part
[13:58] <Mr_You> 3yeah
[13:58] <roycroft> they were slackers in raising the kid though
[13:58] <Darkclaw> as if parents today have the energy, both working full-time
[13:58] <Mr_You> yup
[13:58] <roycroft> so now they get to pay for that
[13:59] <roycroft> thanks to the bushlodytes, darkclaw
[13:59] <Mr_You> apparently him and his mom talk constantly..like several times a day sometim
[13:59] <Mr_You> oh well, not our problem.
[13:59] <Mr_You> and I can't relate.
[13:59] <Darkclaw> roycroft its only getting worse so i guess we're all fux0red at the end
[13:59] <Mr_You> but time to go home..
[13:59] * Mr_You &
[14:16] <Mouring> gaaaahahh... Why do I get dragged into physical building security.. I love
[14:35] <mongo-> parents wouldn't have to work two jobs if people lived like they did in the
[14:35] <mongo-> buy small homes drive used cars, dont' spend 120 bucks on jeans
[14:47] * _m5 is now known as _rynz-
[14:47] <roycroft> people in the 50s and 60s did that stuff so they could save money for thei
[14:47] <roycroft> nowadays the kids are on their own and nobody saves anything
[14:48] <roycroft> this us has had a negative savings rate since the bush regime took over
[14:48] <roycroft> and it's getting worse
[14:49] <mongo-> it's not all bushs fault
[14:49] <roycroft> wages have dropped 20% during the bush regime
[14:49] <mongo-> but good propaganda
[14:50] <roycroft> corporate profits are at an all-time high, both in dollars and percentage
[14:51] <roycroft> and the debt load is getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse
[14:51] <roycroft> all the while we're spending $8 billion/month on the war
[14:52] <mongo-> and the war debt relates to personal spending how?
[14:52] <Mouring> Canadian Bacon!!!!!!!!
[14:55] <mongo-> i think some of it has to do with the "win the lottery" fealing that people
[14:55] <roycroft> the government cut funding to social programmes, shifting that load back o
[14:56] <roycroft> there's some of that, mongo-
[14:56] <roycroft> but the middle class is really, truly, demonstrably disappearing
[14:56] <roycroft> the minimum wage is the lowest it's been, adjusted for inflation, since 19
[14:57] <roycroft> a significant number of homeless people are fully-employed, but can't affo
[14:58] <roycroft> and don't even start telling me those people drive shiny new cars and have
[15:00] <roycroft> looks like there might finally be a 23" iMac
[15:00] <roycroft> cool
[15:00] <roycroft> maybe that's what i'll get next spring
[15:32] <bigs> aiight
[15:35] <bigs> oc line?
[15:35] <bigs> lets see
[15:51] <bigs> boom
[16:44] <stdio> you folks do have a lot to say lol
[16:44] <stdio> jeez
[17:53] <roycroft> it does not take many words to say a lot
[17:53] <roycroft> sometimes many words are used to say very little though
[17:56] <GiftdKook> heh heh heh
[18:15] <Mr_You> hrrm
[18:49] <belter> two ears and one mouth
[19:02] * RndPkt_ is now known as RndPkt
[19:04] <wettoast> http://www.lobstertech.com/code/phoneparrot/
[19:08] <roycroft> sweet
[19:09] <roycroft> i just got a copy of a todd rundgren concert from the "pre-initiation" tou
[19:09] <roycroft> i saw him that tour and it was the best todd show i've ever seen - this ta
[19:54] <Mouring> hmm.. the skins for this powerbook keyboard is odd, but doesn't bother me t
[19:54] <roycroft> i considered skins for my powermac keyboard but never found any that i lik
[19:55] <roycroft> i've never looked at any for a powerbook
[19:55] <Mouring> after replacing the keyboard because it jammed up with cat fur I wanted som
[19:55] <Mouring> Protouch PB
[19:55] <roycroft> yeah
[19:56] <roycroft> i keep the kitties away from my powerbook
[19:56] <roycroft> otherwise i'd have that problem too
[19:59] <Mouring> Hard to kick my cat off from laying next to me while I'm on my laptop. So
[20:00] <Mouring> I was losing 1 out of every 20 keys due to how I typed. Which was better t
[20:02] <ted1> I want a script to search thru a file call vlan.txt, the first field must be "
[20:02] <ted1> vlan.txt:
[20:02] <ted1> address XXXX.XXXX.XXXX.XXXX vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! Hello
[20:02] <ted1> If any line does not meet the format criteria described above, How I can I get
[20:03] <ted1> vlan.txt
[20:03] <ted1> address 000A.000G.0000.BBDF vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING O
[20:03] <ted1> address ADFD.DDEE.EEDE.DAAA vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING T
[20:03] <ted1> address AAAD.DFD.EEEE.CCCC vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING TH
[20:03] <ted1> output:
[20:03] <ted1> address 000A.000G.0000.BBDF vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING O
[20:03] <ted1> address AAAD.DFD.EEEE.CCCC vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING TH
[20:08] <roycroft> stop that, ted1
[20:25] <Figz> as long as nobody else is talking, a half dozen line paste is perfectly accept
[20:25] <Figz> vastly prefered to pastebin anyway
[20:25] <roycroft> when the scroll is such that the original question is mostly gone it's too
[20:25] <roycroft> and in a standard 80x24 xterm that is the case
[20:28] <Figz> if your client is so archaic that you have no lastlog then I could agree..
[20:29] <Figz> but there are better solutions than hobbling the input of data to deal with th
[20:31] <roycroft> i don't keep a large lastlog buffer
[20:31] <roycroft> my basic criterion for appropriate scroll is that it should fit on one scr
[20:32] <roycroft> a pasted url should not line wrap or it should be fed to a url-shortener
[20:32] <Figz> awk '$1 != "address" || $3 != "vlan-name" || $2 ~ /[^0-9A-F.]/ || length($2) !
[20:32] * roycroft still believes in least common denominators
[20:32] <Figz> I think that's what he was asking for..
[20:32] <roycroft> i don't know 'cuz i only saw the last line of his original assignment ques
[20:33] * roycroft wonders why we're doing homework problems anyway
[20:33] <Figz> oh, wants $4 and $5 tested too
[20:33] <Figz> talk about picky
[20:33] <Figz> it doesn't *smell* like homework
[20:34] <roycroft> well again, i didn't see the whole thing so my impression is incomplete
[20:34] <roycroft> i'll defer to you
[20:35] <AC-130U> hmmm
[20:54] <roycroft> ... those having control of the instrumentality had not been negligent ..
[20:54] <roycroft> this snipped came from an attorney who should have known better
[20:55] <roycroft> snippet
[20:56] <roycroft> last time i checked one needs to have a graduate degree to practice law in
[20:57] <Figz> you need to be a lawyer to define "pracitce law" :P
[20:58] <AC-130U> hahha
[20:58] <AC-130U> yeah, exactly
[20:58] <AC-130U> i'm glad that the NFPA 58 rules as pertains to propane tank storage and use
[20:59] <roycroft> they don't use "words" like "instrumentality"?
[21:00] <AC-130U> no
[21:00] <roycroft> hmm, that is an actual word, but its definition certainly does not mean wh
[21:01] <AC-130U> yeah.
[21:03] <ted1> Figz, your syntax does not work.
[21:03] <Figz> dear me horrors
[21:03] <Figz> what os are you on?
[21:04] <ted1> let me paste my example again.
[21:05] <ted1> vlan.txt
[21:05] <ted1> address 000A.000G.0000.BBDF vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING O
[21:05] <ted1> address ADFD.DDEE.EEDE.DAAA vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING T
[21:05] <ted1> address AAAD.DFD.EEEE.CCCC vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING TH
[21:05] <roycroft> i think figz has it in his lastlog buffer
[21:05] <ted1> error output:
[21:05] <ted1> address 000A.000G.0000.BBDF vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING O
[21:05] <ted1> address AAAD.DFD.EEEE.CCCC vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING TH
[21:06] <Figz> awk '$1 != "address" || $3 != "vlan-name" || $2 ~ /[^0-9A-F.]/ || length($2) !
[21:06] <Figz> address 000A.000G.0000.BBDF vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING O
[21:06] <Figz> address AAAD.DFD.EEEE.CCCC vlan-name 10.x.1.0/25-Networking_Stuff ! TESTING TH
[21:08] <Figz> rather than repeating your paste for a third time you might want to reply to t
[21:10] * AC-130U bonks head on wall.
[21:11] <ted1> thanks Figz!
[21:13] <Figz> if you *really* want to sanity check the rest of the line, you can probably us
[21:55] <Mouring> ermm... Steamboy wasn't as good as I hope it would be.=(
[21:56] <wettoast> yeah, Watergirl was much better!
[21:56] <Mouring> wet, I can't find that one.. I only can locate "IceWomen".. and she is too
[21:58] <roycroft> what is steamboy?
[21:58] <wettoast> heh, i never heard of it...
[21:59] <Mouring> A japanese Anime that was released.. ermm.. two years ago in america.. Had
[21:59] <roycroft> oh
[22:00] <Mouring> Same directer as Akira... Forgot who else created it.
[22:01] <wettoast> i've seen Akira
[22:01] <wettoast> a long time ago...
[22:01] <Mouring> Next movie on my list is "Watership Down"
[22:01] <wettoast> heck, i have not watched anime ina while, latest one i've seen was probabl
[22:02] <Mouring> wet, the re-release? The icky one that had nasty shiny graphics?
[22:02] <roycroft> i've never seen an anime film
[22:02] <roycroft> i've seen snippets but i could never get into them
[22:04] * roycroft is just starting to watch "objective burma"
[22:04] <wettoast> not sure Mouring, i rente dthe dvd to a friend
[22:05] <wettoast> roycroft: Anime is great, a lot of it is very intelligent
[22:05] <roycroft> i'm not putting it down at all
[22:05] <roycroft> i just said i haven't been able to get into it
[22:05] <wettoast> i see
[22:06] <wettoast> well, there are many genres etc.. what have you tried
[22:06] <wettoast> ?
[22:06] <roycroft> i don't know
[22:06] <roycroft> i've seen bits of several anime films, but i could not name a single one o
[22:06] <Mouring> roy, Anime itself has a broad spectrum. It can be anywhere from pure SciF
[22:07] <wettoast> the common american/any who doe snot know better misconception is that the
[22:07] <roycroft> do you consider me a "common american"?
[22:07] <wettoast> i.e. my mother saw me watching an anime once, and she was like, arent you
[22:07] * roycroft watchs lots of cartoons
[22:07] <roycroft> watches
[22:08] <wettoast> but they are aimed at older audiences as well
[22:08] <Mouring> Wet, outside of maybe one or two show my mom has seen my whole collection.
[22:08] <roycroft> i'm not averse to anime for that reason
[22:08] <wettoast> roycroft: have you seen ghost in the shell?
[22:08] <roycroft> no
[22:08] <Mouring> roy, if you like thrillers.. "Perfect Blue" is a very well done anime thril
[22:08] <wettoast> thats a classic sci fi anime
[22:08] <wettoast> i have that Mouring, not my cup of tea...
[22:09] <wettoast> i just dont liek thrillers/horrors period though
[22:09] * roycroft has said twice now that he has never watched an entire anime film, only snippets
[22:09] * roycroft wonders why he was subsequently asked if he's seen a particular anime film
[22:09] <wettoast> well, i sugest ghost in the shell
[22:10] <Mouring> I didn't care much for Ghost in the Shell the movie.. the TV show was bette
[22:10] <roycroft> i'll keep that in mind as one to check out should i ever feel so inclined
[22:10] <wettoast> it really questions the meaning of what sentient life really is
[22:10] <roycroft> i mostly watch documentaries these days
[22:10] <roycroft> anime is somewhat removed from that genre
[22:10] <wettoast> i have gits:sac epsodes
[22:10] <wettoast> those are reall hard to follow
[22:11] <roycroft> although "operation burma" is an odd film - but i am in the mood for somet
[22:11] <roycroft> errol flynn will fit the bill
[22:11] <wettoast> what i also enjoyed was cowboy bebop the movie
[22:11] <Mouring> I tend to like to watch just about anything in terms of movies. I just ten
[22:11] <Mouring> Cowboy Bebop Movie was very well done.
[22:11] <roycroft> this film was banned in england until 1952 because it did not accurately p
[22:12] <wettoast> you will have a hard time finding plot holes in something like ghost in th
[22:12] <wettoast> speciall the stand alone complex epsisodes, which are very complicated
[22:12] <wettoast> but cowboy bebop was just a fun anime to watch
[22:13] <roycroft> btw, i don't like much science fiction so suggesting a sci-fi anime is per
[22:14] <wettoast> Mouring, remember the scene where spike crashes his ship on the bridge rig
[22:14] <wettoast> hah, i loved that
[22:14] <wettoast> err, yells
[22:15] <wettoast> roycroft: well, most anime i know of i scifi ish... there is also the clas
[22:16] <Mouring> roy, most of my collection (of cartoon/anime) border more on the stories wi
[22:16] <roycroft> i generally don't like violence in film either
[22:17] <wettoast> and lets not forget princes mononoke
[22:17] <roycroft> although for some reason i do watch quite a few old war films
[22:17] <wettoast> which was spectacular
[22:17] <roycroft> but most of those don't have much graphic violence
[22:18] <wettoast> watch princess mononoke then, its visually spectacular..
[22:18] <wettoast> and has the likes of scully (from x-files) doing the vocal dub
[22:18] <Mouring> roy, I tend to prefer implied violence.. Alfred Hitchcock did a very nice j
[22:19] <wettoast> i dont know, i like the stuff... i showed princess... to my 13 year old si
[22:19] <roycroft> i have a dozen or twenty dvds that i haven't watched yet
[22:20] <roycroft> so it's likely going to be quite a while before i would get at all interes
[22:20] <wettoast> why di dyou get them if you dont want to watch them?
[22:20] <roycroft> when did i say i don't want to watch them?
[22:20] <Mouring> No reason to actually show the massive blood and guts when you can let your
[22:20] <roycroft> i said i haven't watched them yet
[22:20] <wettoast> dont say you have no time
[22:20] <roycroft> i haven't caught up yet
[22:21] <roycroft> and no, i really don't have the time
[22:21] <roycroft> i watch two or three films/week at most
[22:21] <roycroft> and that includes going to the cinema
[22:21] <wettoast> you spend plenty of time on irc arguing with me
[22:21] <wettoast> you have spare time :P
[22:22] <roycroft> i'm generally doing other things computer-related while active on irc
[22:22] <roycroft> not sitting in front of my television
[22:22] <Mouring> Poe would have been a great movie director or at least film writer based on
[22:22] <Mouring> re Kneers.
[22:22] <roycroft> speaking of which, this is one of the rare times that i do have my powerbo
[22:23] <roycroft> so i shall take my leave for a bit
[22:23] <wettoast> now that i've acquired a 21" widescreen lcd, i watch most of my dvds on th
[22:24] <Mouring> I was looking at 30 - 36" LCDs at Microcenter and realized how well they lo
[22:24] <wettoast> yeah, onc eyou get to those sizes its like, ok am i bying a monitor for a
[22:25] <wettoast> this large enough for me, for computer work
[22:25] <wettoast> s/for/or
[22:25] <Mouring> wet, this was an LCD TV
[22:25] <wettoast> ah
[22:26] <wettoast> i had a hard enough time getting used to this, i came from a 19" CRT...
[22:26] <Mouring> 600 - 1300$ was the price range I was looking at.
[22:26] <wettoast> thats a lot dude
[22:26] <wettoast> well, they do price the tvs higher
[22:26] <wettoast> which is such a scam, all it is is an lcd + a tuner
[22:27] <Mouring> Plamsa is more expensive.
[22:28] <Mouring> Plasma
[22:28] <Mouring> and frankly has worse quality to me.
[22:28] <Mouring> These also had the HDMI interfaces on most of them.
[22:29] <wettoast> what? Plasma is the cheapest technology up here
[22:29] <wettoast> its plasma, then dlp/lcd
[22:30] <wettoast> which makes sense, since plasma is dead...
[22:30] <Mouring> I'm refering to plasma of the same viewing angle quality.
[22:30] <Mouring> those tend to be the higher priced TVs.
[22:30] <wettoast> perhaps, im refering to the technology in general
[22:30] <wettoast> plasma is out
[22:31] <wettoast> lcd won the battle
[22:31] <Mouring> I rarely watch TV dead on.. And the Plasma screens I've seen would be shitt
[22:31] <wettoast> i really like some of the DLP tvs
[22:31] <wettoast> the quality is very good
[22:33] <wettoast> ideally, i would own a ~50" widescreen OLED tv :)
[22:33] <Mouring> 30" - 35" is fine with me.. Perferable in such a way it can vanish when com
[22:34] <wettoast> just a matter of interior design
[22:35] <Mouring> I would love to configure my house in a victorian period design, but I'd ki
[22:38] <wettoast> think ill warm up some grub and put on cowboy bebop :)
[22:38] <wettoast> havent seen it in a while
[22:38] <Mouring> I would love to redo my family room in the basement so it was more comforta
[23:33] <roycroft> wow
[23:34] <roycroft> the latest zogby poll shows george allen now *trailing* james webb
[23:34] <roycroft> only by a bit more than a point, well within the margain of error
[23:34] <roycroft> but still, this is quite significant - earlier this summer allen was up by
Session Close: Sat Sep 02 00:00:00 2006