Session Start: Wed May 17 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #unixhelp
[01:38] <thecreep> *cough* morning
[02:31] <pbug> wow I just saw a heron over the city.. usually they don't come in this far, th
[02:31] <pbug> nice sight though.. their long strong wings, look majestic when they fly
[02:46] <thecreep> i got a hard decision to make, audi RS3 or an 911
[02:46] <pbug> have you thought of something more exotic?
[02:46] <thecreep> like a viper or something?
[02:46] <pbug> naw
[02:47] <thecreep> mustang GT is nice
[02:47] <pbug> how about a renault, french car
[02:47] <thecreep> never!
[02:47] * pbug shrugs.
[02:47] <mmk> rs3 is kinda dull looking :)
[02:47] <thecreep> :)
[02:47] <thecreep> what?
[02:48] <thecreep> you think?
[02:48] <thecreep> the spy shots look awesome i think
[02:48] <thecreep> gonna by good for 350bhp
[02:48] <thecreep> 0-60 in 4.5 i believe
[02:48] <mmk> the same goes for all other audis IMHO, they just don't do anything for me.
[02:49] <mmk> so I wouldn't think for a second which one to get :)
[02:49] <thecreep> not even the RS4?
[02:49] <thecreep> fair enough :)
[02:49] <mmk> I'm sure the RS4 is a nice car though
[02:50] <thecreep> hehe
[02:50] <thecreep> it's ?50,000
[02:50] <thecreep> to expensive for me
[02:50] <thecreep> $80,000?
[02:50] <thecreep> I will live in the car!
[02:51] <thecreep> have you ever seen group B rally
[02:51] <thecreep> is it banned now
[02:52] <thecreep> no holds bared, the audi ur was driven by a lady as they were so sure it w
[02:53] <thecreep> a massive crash finished group B rally cos loads of people died
[02:53] <mmk> well, I was 6 when they shut down group b :)
[02:54] <thecreep> i offen watch the old footage
[02:54] <mmk> where do you find that stuff?
[02:54] <thecreep> on dvd's :)
[02:54] <mmk> hrm, anything in particular to look for?
[02:54] <thecreep> there is also an Audi on sky in the UK
[02:55] <thecreep> hill climb in the US
[02:55] <thecreep> it's famous
[02:55] <mmk> pike's peak
[02:55] <mmk> it's crazy :)
[02:55] <thecreep> that's it
[02:55] <thecreep> lol
[02:56] <thecreep> the audi ur goes up the hill at incredible pace
[02:57] <thecreep> i still h8 ford, it was there fault it got banned
[02:57] <thecreep> crappy rs200
[03:19] <belter> i've owned a ford before, thing died at 135k
[03:20] <pbug> miles or kms?
[03:21] <thecreep> they are only built for 50,000 miles
[03:21] <pbug> that's nothing if you're active in a metropolitan area
[03:22] <pbug> which is usually city driving on top of that not just freeway
[03:23] <thecreep> i'd love to test out components
[03:23] <belter> miles
[03:23] <thecreep> here you go thecreep, we need you to test this 500bhp supercar, you'll me
[03:24] <XUber> i thought this channel is for unix help ?
[03:24] <belter> can get 200k out of most hondas, toys,
[03:24] <thecreep> super engines hondas!
[03:31] <thecreep> how scary.. googled "VNC Desktop" inurl:5800
[03:31] <thecreep> damn spiders
[03:32] <XUber> unix
[03:32] <XUber> talk unix
[03:32] <XUber> not hondas
[03:32] <XUber> wtf ?
[03:32] <pbug> your party is not logged on
[03:33] <XUber> what party ?
[03:33] <thecreep> Xuber, i have a question, why are you in root?
[03:33] <pbug> [No connection yet]
[03:33] <pbug> [Checking for invitation on caller's machine]
[03:33] <XUber> im not in root
[03:34] <XUber> why would i be in root ?
[03:34] <thecreep> so your using windows?
[03:34] <XUber> no..
[03:34] <XUber> im just not in root
[03:34] <thecreep> ok no ident
[03:35] <XUber> pbug, what do you mean checking for invitation to callers machine ?
[03:36] <pbug> oh talk(1) gives that message when you try to talk to someone who does not exi
[03:36] <pbug> or if there is no talkd
[03:37] <XUber> talkd ?
[03:37] <thecreep> the truth is a fine thing
[03:37] <XUber> why were you checking my ident ?
[03:38] <pbug> why are you so paranoid?
[03:38] <XUber> im not
[03:38] <pbug> I didn't touch your ip stack
[03:38] <XUber> just wondering what you 2 are up too
[03:38] <thecreep> lol
[03:38] <pbug> we're talking about hacking a bank so we can buy ourselves new maseratis
[03:39] <thecreep> shhh
[03:39] <XUber> im new to irc
[03:39] <pbug> here you can talk all you want, between unix help there is void to fill
[03:39] <thecreep> that an interesting ip you have therer
[03:41] <XUber> my ip ?
[03:41] <thecreep> yeah
[03:41] <pbug> what's interesting about it?
[03:41] <thecreep> the classes
[03:41] <pbug> class B?
[03:42] <thecreep> I have never seen 149.
[03:42] <thecreep> 9
[03:42] <pbug> on irc you can have anything.. just look at kneerows host
[03:43] <XUber> im running tor
[03:43] <thecreep> you need a static ip though?
[03:44] <pbug> onion routing?
[03:44] <XUber> yes
[03:44] <pbug> does that even work?
[03:44] <XUber> so both of you are into hacking ?
[03:44] <pbug> I mean someone still has a log of your real ip somewhere..
[03:44] <pbug> xuber: I only hack benches..
[03:45] <pbug> with an axe
[03:46] <belter> why do admins, get called hackors?
[03:46] <pbug> so their work doesn't seem half as lame?
[03:46] <belter> maybe
[03:47] <thecreep> pbug, how can i have a flashy ip?
[03:47] <thecreep> vhost?
[03:47] <pbug> ask kneerow
[03:47] <belter> efnetshells.com has vhosts for 2 bucks a month
[03:48] <thecreep> thanks for that
[03:48] <thecreep> it would be great to host my own
[03:48] * arcsine hides flashy vhost
[03:48] <thecreep> probably expensive and complicated
[03:49] <thecreep> ill just use someone elses ip :p not
[03:50] <pbug> or someone elses wifi..
[03:50] <pbug> I had fun using toronto's star access point once
[03:50] <pbug> standing on the freeway with an ibook
[03:50] <XUber> lol @ wifi
[03:50] <usey> Hi. Anyone's a tad familiar with FBSD? :)
[03:50] <thecreep> pbug: hehe
[03:50] <pbug> pbug@daisy.thestar.ca or something..
[03:51] <pbug> the interesting thing about the stars internal network was that it was externa
[03:51] <pbug> the ip block was renumbered into asia
[03:53] <thecreep> so bored
[03:54] <thecreep> think for the money, think of the money.....that's voice wears thin someth
[03:54] <XUber> im bored and tired
[03:55] <XUber> creep and pbug are you always on this channel ?
[03:55] <pbug> no
[03:55] <pbug> only during days
[03:55] <thecreep> no#
[03:55] <thecreep> when i can
[03:55] <XUber> ok
[03:56] <XUber> im off for a rest
[03:56] <XUber> might see you in this channel again
[03:56] <thecreep> :)
[03:56] <thecreep> you can't blag and blagger btw
[03:57] <thecreep> I meant 'you can't blag a blagger'
[03:58] <thecreep> thing ill go for a walk
[03:58] <pbug> did you listen to those two songs I sent you?
[03:59] <thecreep> no i forgot about them, saved to desktop
[03:59] <pbug> ahh ok
[03:59] <thecreep> you seen the div code?
[03:59] <pbug> no?
[03:59] <thecreep> you going to?
[04:00] <pbug> what are you talking about?
[04:01] <thecreep> sorry davinci code
[04:01] <pbug> oh that no, doesn't really interest me
[04:01] <thecreep> really?
[04:01] <thecreep> you surprise me
[04:01] <pbug> what's it about? some churchy crypt code?
[04:03] <thecreep> how jesus married mary and had a child. And that there is a blood line, tr
[04:03] <pbug> ahh ok, yeah maybe when I'm older it'll interest me...
[04:04] <thecreep> how old are you then?
[04:04] <pbug> if they had a movie about the world being nuked to hell and people in hell bei
[04:04] <thecreep> hehe
[04:05] <thecreep> i think the idea of a select few with the latest technology and pulling al
[04:06] <thecreep> right walk time
[04:12] <Phazorx> .
[04:19] <thecreep> Xuber: you know my os now :p
[04:22] <XUber> yes
[04:22] <XUber> windows 98
[04:22] <thecreep> nope
[04:22] <XUber> *lol*
[04:22] <XUber> j/k
[04:22] <thecreep> check again
[04:22] <XUber> i was joking
[04:23] <thecreep> haven't changed FINGER yet
[04:24] <XUber> im new to irc
[04:24] <XUber> so im just messing
[04:24] <thecreep> xchat is a good client
[04:24] <pbug> xuber: if you're portscanning people or versioning them it usually means you d
[04:25] <pbug> you could always expect the same at any time then..
[04:25] <XUber> i tried xchat but it kept freezing up on me
[04:25] <XUber> im on win xp
[04:26] <thecreep> xuber know I'm running a Spectrum 48+ with basic OS
[04:27] <thecreep> colinux is an awesome tool for windows
[04:30] <XUber> how is a spectrum different from a pc ?
[04:30] <pbug> yeah what is a spectrum?
[04:31] <thecreep> a sinclear specturm?
[04:31] <pbug> oh my
[04:31] <pbug> isn't that a dead old computer?
[04:31] <thecreep> yep
[04:31] <XUber> lol
[04:31] <pbug> how much RAM
[04:31] <thecreep> 48k
[04:32] <pbug> nice
[04:32] <XUber> why dont you have a nice new pc ?
[04:32] <pbug> how much extended RAM?
[04:32] <thecreep> not sure, think the 48k was extended
[04:32] <pbug> is it Z-81 based?
[04:32] <thecreep> that's it
[04:32] <pbug> or 68K?
[04:32] <thecreep> zx-81
[04:32] <thecreep> mk 2
[04:33] <XUber> bll
[04:33] <pbug> afaik they made a working basic PPP stack, partial IP stack with lunix
[04:33] <thecreep> thought that would be a fun ctcp version reply hehe
[04:33] <XUber> bbl*
[04:33] <pbug> that runs on the commodore 64
[04:33] <thecreep> hehe classic
[04:34] <thecreep> it worked then?
[04:34] <pbug> yeah
[04:34] <pbug> you could ping it, telnet into it
[04:34] <thecreep> impressive
[04:34] <pbug> it was connected to a 9600 bps PPP link or something..
[04:35] <pbug> google for adam dunkel or something I think he is the magician that makes the
[04:35] <pbug> dunkels
[04:35] <pbug> lives in sweden or something..
[04:36] <thecreep> pbug your at work right now?
[04:36] <pbug> kinda
[04:36] <pbug> I work from home
[04:36] <thecreep> work from home?
[04:37] <thecreep> alright for some
[04:37] <thecreep> you on the coffee's today then?
[04:37] <pbug> well they want to set me into a different workplace eventually
[04:37] <pbug> the work from home isn't working out with my employer
[04:38] <thecreep> anyone would think for in irc all the time
[04:38] <thecreep> your
[04:38] <belter> that just means he's infront of a terminal all day
[04:38] <thecreep> lol
[04:39] <thecreep> true
[04:39] <thecreep> may I ask what you do pbug?
[04:39] <pbug> I like sharing information, I'm sort of a courier of information
[04:40] <pbug> but I'm no hermes
[04:40] <Phazorx> that's either spy or consultant :)
[04:41] <thecreep> yeah the mind boggles
[04:41] <thecreep> have you read like ton's of rfc's pbug?
[04:42] <pbug> enough to leave me terribly confused
[04:42] <Phazorx> lemme guess you have seen tcp over homing pigeons RFC?
[04:42] <pbug> heh yeah that
[04:43] <pbug> I once tried keeping up with new rfc's released..
[04:43] <pbug> that was in the 2000's somewhere..
[04:43] <thecreep> i should probably start, where should I begin to learn tcp and protocols?
[04:44] <thecreep> where does one find rfc's please? A recommend url would be nice
[04:44] <pbug> read RFC 791 through 793, read rfc-index.txt read up on udp, read rfc 1122 I t
[04:44] <pbug> rfc-editor.org
[04:45] <thecreep> a thousand thank yous pbug
[04:45] <Phazorx> reminds me... i'm still stuck at page 28 of 792
[04:45] <Phazorx> that graph has some magic to it :)
[04:46] <thecreep> page 28 of 792, holy ton's of text
[04:46] * belter googles richard stevens
[04:46] <Phazorx> page 28 of rfc792
[04:46] <Phazorx> that one only 91 pages
[04:46] <thecreep> oh phew
[04:48] <thecreep> what is the difference between the 2 numbers in the number field?
[04:48] <thecreep> RFCXXXX STDXXXX
[04:49] <thecreep> please
[04:50] <pbug> RFC stands for request for comment, it's is subclassed between experimental an
[04:50] <pbug> a standard must be adhered to on the Internet, however people cheat nowadays b
[04:50] <thecreep> i should read both?
[04:50] <pbug> cutting corners in other words
[04:51] <thecreep> or just the rfc one?
[04:52] <pbug> some things are totally uninteresting because they are not applied on todays i
[04:52] <pbug> like multicasting.. noone wants to do it because it means more load on their r
[04:52] <pbug> and because someone can stream internet radio to millions of people from their
[04:52] <pbug> power structure is out of whack in that scenario that's why they don't do it
[04:53] <pbug> people who are poor are that for a reason right?!
[04:53] <pbug> so they should have no right to broadcast their opinion to millions of people
[04:53] <pbug> or whatever...
[04:54] <thecreep> ill stick to the rfc then
[04:54] <pbug> yeah which one?
[04:54] <thecreep> the ones you stated
[04:55] <pbug> the standard is the same as the RFC it's indicated on the top
[04:55] <thecreep> ok cheers
[04:55] <pbug> just saying some RFC's are worthless to read, even though their technology is
[04:56] <thecreep> that could be fastinating
[04:57] <thecreep> ever come around anything weird and wonderful?
[04:57] <thecreep> grr, i need to get a grip with my grammer
[05:07] <thecreep> pbug: do you mind the book 'TCP/IP Illustrated, Vol1: The protocols' by ri
[05:08] <thecreep> mean blah
[05:08] <pbug> the TCP/IP's Illustrated are a good series, one of my employer had it in their
[05:09] <pbug> when you write the C code to networking you get a different feel for the whole
[05:09] <pbug> that's why dhartmei rocks when he talks about networking
[05:09] <thecreep> i better start with the basics, you've given me a great starting point
[05:09] <thecreep> i thank you
[05:10] <pbug> np
[05:11] <thecreep> first rfc, 45 pages, not so bad
[05:11] <thecreep> here goes
[05:11] <pbug> :)
[05:12] <pbug> 1122 and 1123 are a great sum-up of all the RFC related to networking, since t
[05:12] <pbug> and then go deeper into the specific protocols
[05:12] <pbug> now 1122 is very old.. from the 80's I think..
[05:12] <pbug> rfc-index should show updates
[05:13] <thecreep> ok ill get 1123 aswell, so are the others :)
[05:13] <thecreep> some of them
[05:14] <thecreep> new word catenet? hmm
[05:14] <thecreep> right no more talk from me until it's finished
[05:15] <pbug> there is possibly an explanation on terms somewhere otherwise go rob some book
[05:15] <pbug> computer science section
[05:16] <pbug> they tolerated me there for years, until they for SOME reason opened the depar
[05:16] * ilya is now known as wur
[05:16] <pbug> now I only do fly-bys when I'm in the area which is like very seldom
[05:17] <wur> morning, for those of you in US
[05:18] <wur> i'm playing a bit with Automator actions now, and want to feed an output of "Ge
[05:18] <wur> found on Apple site that they use "$@" convention to pass arguments to the comm
[05:18] <wur> is it something common for the shell, or just Apple's thing?
[05:19] <wur> for instance, find "$@" ...
[05:21] <daYZman> hi
[05:21] <daYZman> is there a scandisk-liked util for Unix?
[05:23] <wur> fsck
[05:24] <wur> daYZman: do `man fsck` to see more
[05:31] <thecreep> I should of read these rfc's years ago
[05:32] <pbug> you can download them all and then you can grep through them... ftp.isi.edu/in
[05:32] <pbug> grep is a very helpful tool when reading source and rfcs
[05:33] <Dianora> grep is useful for that
[05:36] <thecreep> lol how many?
[05:37] <pbug> some 3000 I do not know how many exactly, haven't read new rfc's in a while, t
[05:37] <pbug> on DSL it's a half hour download or something..
[05:37] <Dianora> my favourite RFC is telnet
[05:37] <pbug> dianora: yeah it's pretty cool, I did read that when I wrote a telnet complian
[05:38] <Dianora> I only read enough so I could turn echo off
[05:38] <pbug> well compliant to the few functions like ECHO and such..
[05:38] <pbug> :)
[05:38] <thecreep> ill look at the one
[05:38] <Dianora> :-) yepp
[05:38] <pbug> HAVEECHO and NEEDECHO
[05:38] <pbug> something like that..
[05:39] <thecreep> i can honestly say that this unixhelp channel has some of the most help an
[05:40] <pbug> until we die
[05:40] <thecreep> then I'll see you in hell.... joke
[05:40] <pbug> :)
[05:50] <thecreep> one would think that fragmentation does not exist much anymore?
[05:50] <pbug> ufs doesn't fragement all that much.. part of the design
[05:52] <thecreep> i shouldn't be understanding this rfc but I think I am!
[05:52] <pbug> I think I'm coming down with cancer next..
[05:53] <pbug> oh well..
[05:53] <pbug> or my mind will completely explode..
[05:53] <thecreep> hehe :p
[05:58] <Robspiere> i want to have netcat listening on port whatever, when someone connects t
[05:58] <pbug> rob: yes
[05:58] <pbug> it's safer when the port is TCP
[05:59] <pbug> otherwise it's a man-in-middle attack, or you use dull sequence numbers
[05:59] <thecreep> lol
[06:00] <pbug> one nice option packet filter has is modulating sequence numbers for hosts tha
[06:00] <pbug> it basically acts like a proxy/man-in-middle and translates sequence numbers
[06:01] <gita> morning
[06:01] <thecreep> hey
[06:03] <thecreep> do rfc's exist for border gateway and cisco protocols?
[06:04] <thecreep> was going to check through the 3000 but thought it might be quicker to ask
[06:06] <thecreep> ill use common sense, forget I asked
[06:14] <thecreep> hmm, Time to live, that's got to be important, sound to me that without it
[06:17] <thecreep> with a maximum TOL that is
[06:18] <thecreep> without a maximum TTL, datagrams would never be destored...hmm
[06:35] <thecreep> holy moley, could it be that I'm actually going to understand how a packet
[06:39] <thecreep> this rfc is trying to defeat me, but it won't
[06:39] <pbug> it's "uppish" lingo
[06:39] <pbug> sorta like legalese that lawyers use
[06:40] <pbug> if there is a kid inside you, you may not understand it, just skip those words
[06:40] <pbug> like who gives a fuck what its saying anyhow right? :P
[06:41] <thecreep> no i want to under it all
[06:41] <thecreep> understand
[06:41] <pbug> the very first time I read "contigous" I didn't know what was meant.. so I jus
[06:42] <pbug> or when I first heard "condone" I thought it meant "being against" because it
[06:42] <pbug> oh well
[06:43] <thecreep> to me (and I think you had been disconnected) TTL is a very important part
[06:43] <pbug> sometimes you stumble through lies like that your whole life, in the end when
[06:43] <thecreep> hehe yes
[06:43] <pbug> yeah TTL is important
[06:43] <pbug> otherwise stray packets in the internet never die and it'll congest quickly
[06:44] <thecreep> cool, i am learning then
[06:45] <thecreep> I didn't understand the security options though
[06:45] <pbug> what security options? in IP?
[06:45] <thecreep> yeah
[06:46] <pbug> well packets can have a TOS identifier.. ie. to indicate evil intent
[06:46] <pbug> otherwise there is IPsec as an addon to IP, it's in the 2000's rfcs somewhere.
[06:48] <thecreep> hmm
[06:48] <pbug> other security such as forging source ip addresses is done via filtering, call
[06:49] <pbug> I mean preventing forging source ip addresses
[06:49] <thecreep> but what is the advantage of attact say, top secret as a security option?
[06:49] <pbug> pardon?
[06:50] <thecreep> trying to get my head around this
[06:51] <pbug> ip itself hasn't really got any security mechanisms.. it's a plain datagram, n
[06:51] <pbug> even ipsec is still carried by ip
[06:51] <thecreep> that's what i though
[06:51] <thecreep> t
[06:51] <pbug> however in ipsec you can tunnel
[06:52] <pbug> meaning you got an ip header, ipsec header, and then an ip header and payload
[06:52] <thecreep> yes, so what are the these security option for then? i.e top secret?
[06:52] <pbug> what rfc what page?
[06:53] <thecreep> rtc791 page 17
[06:55] <Hawson> consider that a train doesn't have security either, but it still can transpo
[06:55] <Hawson> (ignoring stuff like tickets, and conducters for a moment)
[06:55] <Hawson> you put goods on the train, it follows the tracks, and deliveers the payload
[06:55] <pbug> thecreep: don't mind that, you'll never come across it if you don't work for a
[06:56] <thecreep> thanks: Hawson
[06:56] <Hawson> what, IPSEC?
[06:56] <Hawson> actually, a better metaphor for an IP packet might be a postcard.
[06:56] <pbug> hawson: no the security option to IP
[06:56] <Dianora> It is
[06:57] <Dianora> A postcard that might have a return address or might not
[06:57] <Dianora> Or might have a forged return address
[06:57] <Hawson> whereas TCP traffic is more like mail sent with a return recipt
[06:57] <pbug> hawson: its an addon option much like NOP
[06:57] * Hawson nods to Dianora
[06:57] <Hawson> pbug: and the evil bit?
[06:57] <thecreep> pbug: actually i was thinking surely it would be crazy to specify in a pac
[06:57] <Dianora> Well, it will always have a return address, but it might not be the right o
[06:57] <pbug> hawson: the evil bit was an april 1st rfc
[06:58] <Hawson> yes, I know.
[06:58] <Hawson> and FBSD implemented it as well....
[06:58] <Hawson> IIRC, it broke a few things too. :)
[06:58] <pbug> that same day iirc :P
[06:58] <pbug> it was a very quick patch
[06:59] <thecreep> Dianora: Thank you :)
[06:59] <Hawson> thecreep: and anyone can look at the "message" as well
[06:59] <thecreep> that's just daft lol
[07:00] <Hawson> you've never run ethereal, have you?
[07:00] <thecreep> me yes
[07:00] <thecreep> but never really understood it
[07:01] <YashBOFH> Anyone have a URL for setting up sendmail to use port 587 of ISPs mail ser
[07:01] <Hawson> run it, filter port 80, then load a webpage, or send an email
[07:01] <Hawson> then have a look at the packets...
[07:01] <pbug> my first experiments with sniffing was tcpdump -x I was unaware there was a -X
[07:02] <pbug> after a while you sorta memorize it, and pacman had a good explanation on how
[07:03] <Tas0> what's up crazy UNIX'ers
[07:03] <thecreep> so the ascii is the actually data?
[07:03] <Tas0> ROFL
[07:03] <Tas0> NO
[07:03] <pbug> yeah
[07:03] <Tas0> it's sandwhich meat
[07:03] <thecreep> boooo!
[07:04] <Tas0> BOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[07:04] <Tas0> :)
[07:04] <pbug> thecreep: you can see values of the headers all the way to the payload
[07:04] <Tas0> how are you hehe
[07:04] <pbug> wow this brings back memories of 1996
[07:04] <thecreep> Tas0: insulted :p
[07:04] <Tas0> ://////////
[07:04] <Tas0> sorry
[07:04] * Tas0 gives thecreep a back rub
[07:04] <thecreep> much better
[07:04] <thecreep> :)
[07:04] <Tas0> :D
[07:05] <Tas0> okay
[07:05] <Tas0> now I have a serious question
[07:05] <Tas0> who here would let a guy give you a backrub
[07:05] <Tas0> not a professinal
[07:05] <Tas0> lets say you where just chilling with a friend
[07:05] <thecreep> pbug: is your real name neo :)
[07:05] <Dianora> in a flash
[07:05] <Tas0> LOLOL Dianora
[07:05] <Dianora> Did I say that out loud?
[07:05] <Tas0> hahaahhaahah
[07:06] <pbug> thecreep: no
[07:06] <pbug> i'm agent smith
[07:06] <thecreep> lol
[07:06] <Dianora> I remember being at a SciFi con, someone offered me a backrub.
[07:06] <Dianora> I was nearly asleep ;-)
[07:07] <Dianora> Dianorapuddle
[07:07] <Hawson> before, or after the backrub?
[07:07] <Dianora> Dianepuddle
[07:07] <Dianora> after the backrub
[07:07] <Hawson> heheh
[07:07] <Dianora> She was quite good ;-)
[07:08] <pbug> didn't know klingon women gave backrubs..
[07:08] <thecreep> hehe
[07:08] <Hawson> do they do the klingon lockups at places other than Gencon?
[07:08] <pbug> they usually nearly kill you first...
[07:09] <thecreep> time for a smoke
[07:16] * Hawson lights thecreep on fire
[07:19] <pbug> this is really weird..
[07:19] <Hawson> lighting peopel on fire? I'd say so
[07:19] <pbug> an ambulance is outside and they brought a guy on a stretcher, instead of taki
[07:19] <Hawson> they are smuggling him in
[07:19] <pbug> I suspect it's the same guy they took away around 8 weeks ago
[07:20] <pbug> why would they be bringing him here when he's still on a stretcher?
[07:20] <Hawson> the body is a fake
[07:20] <Tas0> LMAFMAFOLMFAOLFAMO
[07:20] <Tas0> they brought a guy INTO your office on a stretcher?
[07:20] <pbug> if he can't freakin' move what's he supposed to do in his apartment?
[07:21] <pbug> have a home nurse?
[07:21] <Tas0> usually they take them OUT
[07:21] <pbug> yeah I know..
[07:21] <pbug> and who takes care of him if he overdoses again?
[07:21] <pbug> or whatever happened to him the first time..
[07:22] <Tas0> rofl
[07:22] <Tas0> dude what the fuck
[07:22] <Tas0> LFMAO
[07:22] <Tas0> that's HALARIOUS
[07:22] <Tas0> smuggling him in..lol
[07:22] <pbug> it's just differences in the medical system that I'm not used to perhaps..
[07:22] <thecreep> I dought the guy is laughing
[07:22] <Tas0> lol
[07:23] <pbug> in canada they keep you in hospital until you can at least leave in a wheelcha
[07:23] <Tas0> pbug did you move?
[07:23] <Tas0> when?
[07:23] <Tas0> where?
[07:23] <Tas0> why?
[07:23] <Tas0> when?
[07:23] <pbug> tas0: who are you?
[07:23] <Tas0> licued
[07:23] <Tas0> remember me?
[07:23] <Tas0> ;P
[07:23] <pbug> yeah but you were here when I was in germany already..
[07:23] <Tas0> yeap
[07:23] <pbug> ok, hi
[07:23] <Tas0> hehehe :)))
[07:24] <Tas0> you moved From Canada -> Germany?
[07:24] <pbug> I fled from canada -> germany
[07:24] <Tas0> rofl why?
[07:24] <pbug> vampires
[07:24] <Tas0> R_(*U@R )PIJCFSDKMA
[07:24] <Tas0> NICE
[07:24] <pbug> but it ain't different here...
[07:24] <Tas0> you have an imagination like a rabits asshole
[07:24] <thecreep> ill get the sack if I burst out laughing
[07:25] <pbug> :)
[07:25] <kalc> hey pbug :)
[07:25] <kalc> how to delete lines from 250 - 280 using sed ? :P
[07:25] <Tas0> sed rm * 250-280
[07:25] <Hawson> :258,280d
[07:25] <pbug> same as 80 to 88 as told last time kalc..
[07:25] <kalc> cat file |sed -delete -n 250-280
[07:25] <Tas0> Hawson comes through
[07:25] <kalc> no
[07:25] <kalc> last time we grepped
[07:25] <kalc> we wanted only 80 - 88
[07:26] <kalc> now we want everything except 250 - 280
[07:26] <kalc> :D
[07:26] <kalc> :250,280d thats inside a file?
[07:27] <kalc> -n '250,280d' ?
[07:30] <pbug> bad boys bad boys watcha gonna do watcha gonna do when they come for you...
[07:30] <YashBOFH> anyone here speak sendmail.mc?
[07:30] <Tas0> cops canada
[07:30] <Tas0> lol
[07:30] <Tas0> yea YashBOFH
[07:30] <Tas0> hahaaha
[07:30] <Tas0> that's FUNNY
[07:30] <Tas0> but yesh, I do
[07:30] <Tas0> yesh yash, I do
[07:30] * YashBOFH was once in cops Canada
[07:30] <Tas0> hahaha I like saying that
[07:31] <Tas0> Yesh Yash
[07:31] <YashBOFH> not as the criminal though
[07:31] <Tas0> lol
[07:31] <Hawson> that doesn't surprise me. :)
[07:31] <Tas0> Yesh Yash
[07:31] <YashBOFH> just as a witness
[07:31] <Tas0> Yesh Yash
[07:31] <YashBOFH> define(`SMART_HOST', `mail.example.ca')
[07:31] <YashBOFH> FEATURE(`authinfo')dnl
[07:31] <Tas0> OMG YOU GOT EXPLOITED
[07:32] <YashBOFH> I added these, but it still doesn't seem to be connecting to mail.example.
[07:32] <kalc> sed -n '250,280d' file.html > files.html is not working :(
[07:33] <Hawson> use vi
[07:33] <kalc> vi can do magic from command prompt ?
[07:36] <Hawson> some
[07:36] <kalc> any good sed manual
[07:36] <kalc> i think sed can do the magic easily
[07:36] <kalc> since sed -n '250-258p' is working perfectly
[07:36] <kalc> i need the reverse of that
[07:36] <kalc> just need to replace the 'p' with something
[07:36] <Hawson> d
[07:36] <kalc> tried it
[07:36] <kalc> didnt work
[07:37] <kalc> it gives null output
[07:37] <Hawson> sed -p '250-258d' file > otherfile
[07:38] <kalc> ah -p
[07:38] <kalc> i dont see -p in the help
[07:39] <kalc> err
[07:39] <kalc> didnt work
[07:39] <kalc> gave me syntax error
[07:39] <kalc> sed: invalid option -- p
[07:39] <pbug> kalc: why don't you read your manpage on sed? :)
[07:39] <Hawson> remove it then
[07:39] * Hawson nods to pbug
[07:40] <kalc> eheheh
[07:40] <kalc> worked
[07:40] <kalc> why the hell its not working with -n flag
[07:40] <Hawson> because, if you read the manpage, you'll see what -n does
[07:40] <pbug> just use the -e flag
[07:41] <pbug> -n I think turns echo off or something
[07:41] <pbug> on the input
[07:42] <pbug> I really don't care when I use X,Xp it works when i put a -n before it.. it wa
[07:42] <pbug> you'll find out this works and that doesn't, so you adapt, until they change t
[07:43] <Hawson> so, on a system that /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all set to 0, and a
[07:44] <pbug> dhartmei would probably know, he musta had to inquire where to put the pf hook
[07:46] <Tas0> iptables
[07:46] <thecreep> what is SATNET and PRNET please?
[07:48] <Hawson> pbug: yeah, iptables, not pf (although for pf it'd be good to know as well)
[07:49] <tchang> my vote would be for the former
[07:49] <pbug> what I'm saying is, the stacks are similar in linux and bsd, and someone who n
[07:49] <Hawson> tchang: icmp_echo_ignore_all would win?
[07:49] <tchang> i guess
[07:49] <tchang> don't know
[07:50] <tchang> seems a bit further away from userland
[07:50] <Hawson> I'd *think* that, but I'm not sure either. The RHEL instructor said that it
[07:50] <Hawson> so I have conflicting information.
[07:50] <tchang> why would a packet go through userspace first
[07:50] <tchang> hrm
[07:51] <Hawson> yeah, that's what I thought
[07:52] <tchang> so.. /proc/sys is the directory corresponding to kernel variables... therefo
[07:52] <tchang> and of course the kernel will get to "touch" a packet before anything in use
[07:52] <Hawson> right, but iptables is also kernelspace
[07:53] <tchang> are you at RTP?
[07:53] <Hawson> RTP?
[07:53] <tchang> research triangle park
[07:53] <YashBOFH> http://www.thoseshirts.com/
[07:53] <Hawson> no.
[07:53] <tchang> oh
[07:53] <tchang> at a redhat facility though?
[07:54] <tchang> there must be a way to test this
[07:54] <Hawson> no, I'm in downtown Chicago
[07:54] <tchang> it's test-able
[07:55] <Hawson> yep, I just have to write a few rules, etc
[07:55] <tchang> please let me know
[07:55] <Hawson> YashBOFH: no DNS
[07:55] <tchang> has anyone ever parsed this chanenl's log to see how many urls yashy posts i
[07:55] <Hawson> someone did that for a while
[07:56] * YashBOFH looks for Hawson http://www.uic.edu/orgs/kbc/Rooms/chiroomnew.html
[07:56] * YashBOFH did that for a while
[07:56] <YashBOFH> hehe
[07:56] <YashBOFH> I was the biggest URL whore!
[07:56] <tchang> s/was/are/
[07:56] <tchang> er
[07:57] <tchang> you get the point
[07:57] <YashBOFH> at least I hold some title here I guess
[07:57] * tchang did some early mornin' driving
[07:57] <tchang> you'll always be "most flamboyent"
[07:57] <Hawson> I'm not at uic
[07:57] * YashBOFH putson his glitter t-shirt
[07:57] <tchang> * Yashy is now known as glitterboy2000
[07:58] * Hawson changes topic to 'Yashy is now known as glitterboy2000'
[07:58] * YashBOFH bats his eyelashes
[07:59] <Hawson> the instructor was correct
[07:59] <Hawson> iptables "wins"
[07:59] <tchang> :O
[07:59] <tchang> good to know
[07:59] <Hawson> However, I think that's because it hooks in place at a "lower" level in the
[07:59] <pbug> that's what I suspected, but wasn't sure
[08:00] <Hawson> that's opposite from what I expected
[08:00] * YashBOFH links Hawson's IRC session to the projector
[08:00] <pbug> chances are the code execution path visits iptables code before visiting icmp_
[08:01] <Hawson> pbug: right
[08:01] <tchang> it does kind of make sense
[08:01] * Hawson shrugs
[08:01] <tchang> imagine a flood of packets coming in... should it go through all of /proc?
[08:01] <tchang> hell i dunno
[08:01] <tchang> that's one of those "fact" type things you just find out
[08:01] <Hawson> proc simply exposes kernel variables. it isn't "processed"
[08:02] <tchang> hrm
[08:04] <gita> i crashed intermapper
[08:05] <gita> now watch
[08:05] <gita> i've spent all morning building maps
[08:05] <gita> and they will all be fucked
[08:05] <gita> i was just about to export these maps
[08:05] <gita> and load them into my new server
[08:06] <Hawson> maps of what?
[08:06] <pbug> new maps of google maps? :P
[08:06] <gita> my subnets
[08:06] <thecreep> treasure maps?
[08:06] <gita> yes
[08:07] <gita> yar. here be treasure.
[08:07] <thecreep> :)
[08:07] * gita looks down her shirt.
[08:07] <Hawson> avast! prepare to be boarded!
[08:08] <pbug> photoshopped more crop circles huh?
[08:09] <thecreep> what is intermapper? why did it crash?
[08:10] <gita> it's a network monitoring tool
[08:10] <gita> it's very macish
[08:10] <pbug> heh
[08:10] <thecreep> sounds interesting
[08:10] <thecreep> you mapping networks then?
[08:10] <gita> it's one of my many projects
[08:11] <gita> servers, mostly
[08:11] <thecreep> AS's?
[08:11] <gita> i dunno if intermapper scans
[08:11] <gita> or how well it scans
[08:11] <gita> i'm using nmap for scans
[08:11] <gita> comfort level
[08:11] <thecreep> are you mapping the internet AS's or something?
[08:12] <gita> just my internal networks
[08:12] <pbug> good answer
[08:12] <gita> right now
[08:12] <Hawson> you keep those in your shirt?
[08:12] <gita> i'm running a scan to see which of my machines is listening on 161
[08:12] <gita> so that i can probe them with snmp instead of ping
[08:12] <thecreep> smnp
[08:12] * Hawson chuckes....snmp
[08:12] <thecreep> naughty
[08:12] <gita> no. there's no room in my shirt for anything but me
[08:13] <Hawson> that's probably a good thing
[08:13] * YashBOFH puts his hand up to check
[08:14] <thecreep> hehe i took out the local router here by mistake a couple of weeks ago int
[08:14] <HarvyB> What was the command to rerun the postfix or sendmail queue? I thought mail
[08:14] <thecreep> luckly it only rebooted
[08:14] <Hawson> postfix flush
[08:14] <gita> if you wouldn't play with a man's boobs, Yash, don't play with mine
[08:14] <HarvyB> Hawson: ?
[08:14] <HarvyB> the sendmail command is "sendmail -q".. I need the postfix one
[08:14] <Hawson> postfix flush
[08:14] <gita> i am not messing with the routers and switches
[08:15] <gita> i mapped them
[08:15] <gita> but i'm only pinging them
[08:15] <HarvyB> Thanks Hawson
[08:16] <thecreep> gita: you'd made a computer geek a great wife
[08:16] <thecreep> make
[08:16] <HarvyB> Hmm, wonder why I had it in my head it was mailq command that I used.
[08:16] <HarvyB> :)
[08:16] <gita> heh
[08:16] <gita> www.sockpuppet.org/~tqbf
[08:16] <gita> that's my husband
[08:16] <eucalre> a sockpuppet?
[08:16] <gita> sshhh!
[08:17] <HarvyB> thank you again hawson
[08:17] <HarvyB> :)
[08:18] <HarvyB> Hawson: Ah, postqueue!
[08:18] <thecreep> he's not really my cup of tea
[08:18] <thecreep> lol
[08:18] <Hawson> I like the hair. :)
[08:18] <thecreep> so your like millionaires?
[08:19] <HarvyB> Hawson: Yeah, that's the one. [ postqueue -f ] == [ sendmail -q ]
[08:19] <Hawson> or, 'postfix flush' which is easier to remember. :)
[08:20] <DraFt> does anyone have any knowlage of installing GD Library ?
[08:20] <Tas0> heya, if I didn't have "useradd" and I had some weird version of "adduser" on
[08:20] <thecreep> does a map of the internet exist in term's of AS's?
[08:21] <Tas0> thecreep eys
[08:21] <HarvyB> Hawson: I agree with you on that, but I think it was the postqueue command t
[08:21] <HarvyB> :))
[08:21] <thecreep> really?
[08:21] <Tas0> not ALL, but a good ammount
[08:21] <thecreep> where?
[08:21] <Tas0> well it has too
[08:21] <Tas0> how the fuck would anyone route
[08:21] <thecreep> excellent, you have a URL?
[08:21] <Tas0> google "Autonomous System Map"
[08:21] <Tas0> heh
[08:21] <thecreep> cool, that might come in handy, cheers
[08:22] <Tas0> that's all network engineering crap
[08:22] <Tas0> for router monkies
[08:22] <Tas0> why would you want to fuck with that heh
[08:22] <Hawson> perhaps, because you're a network engineer?
[08:22] <thecreep> i have a thurst for knowledge
[08:23] <thecreep> yeah thx Hawson :)
[08:23] <Tas0> hehe
[08:23] <Tas0> well I'm somewhat a network engineer
[08:23] <Tas0> but systems are much more fun
[08:23] <Tas0> Networking is boring as a mother fuck
[08:23] <Tas0> I guess you could say I did 1/4 of my CCNP
[08:23] <Tas0> but it was pointless
[08:24] <Tas0> well not totally pointless
[08:24] <tchang> the creep there are geoip database
[08:24] <Tas0> but it's not shit you'll really use in real life
[08:24] <Tas0> MaxMind.com has a GREAT geo ip map
[08:25] <DraFt> does anyone have any knowlage of installing GD Library ?
[08:25] <Hawson> DraFt: the README and INSTALL files are good places to start
[08:25] <thecreep> thanks for the tips guys and gals
[08:26] <DraFt> i have tried that
[08:26] <Tas0> heya, if I didn't have "useradd" and I had some weird version of "adduser" on
[08:26] <DraFt> i must be missing something
[08:26] <DraFt> but i have went over it 2 times
[08:27] * Hawson debates installing dnetc clients on all the systems....
[08:27] <Tas0> dnetc?
[08:29] <HarvyB> dnetc? :)
[08:29] <Hawson> distributed.net
[08:30] <HarvyB> I'm just sitting here using two dissimilar Unix-like operating systems
[08:30] <HarvyB> A popular Linux distribution and FreeBSD. :)
[08:30] <Tas0> hrmm
[08:30] <Tas0> well does anyone have an answer to my question?
[08:31] <cyberfrg> if your question made sence i'm sure someone would have answered it
[08:31] <thecreep> i know what he means
[08:31] <Tas0> lol
[08:31] <cyberfrg> if you want a command called useradd to start adduser just create a ln
[08:31] <Tas0> well no
[08:31] <thecreep> he doesn't mean that
[08:31] <Tas0> it seems adduser does something different then useradd
[08:31] <thecreep> but I don't know the answer
[08:31] <cyberfrg> if you're expecting adduser to act like useradd then you should go back t
[08:32] <cyberfrg> man adduser
[08:32] <thecreep> lol, fair answer
[08:32] <cyberfrg> it does the same thing
[08:32] <HarvyB> Is FreeBSD UNIX ?
[08:32] <Tas0> usr/sbin/useradd -d /dev/null -g machines -c 'Machine Account' -s /bin/false
[08:32] <HarvyB> or UNIX-Like ?
[08:32] <Tas0> that dosen't work
[08:33] <cyberfrg> unix doesn't exist anymore
[08:33] <Tas0> it sais "enter user name"
[08:33] <cyberfrg> except in museums
[08:33] <cyberfrg> Tas0: man adduser
[08:33] <Tas0> dude
[08:33] <Tas0> I did
[08:33] <HarvyB> UH
[08:33] <cyberfrg> clearly
[08:33] <Tas0> clearly I did
[08:33] <Tas0> that's why I'm asking the question
[08:33] <cyberfrg> you make baby jesus cry
[08:33] <Tas0> I AM BABY JESUS
[08:33] <thecreep> hehe
[08:34] <Hawson> then cry, damnit
[08:34] <Tas0> LMFOAFMOAF
[08:34] <Tas0> how can you define a login name then?
[08:34] <Tas0> it's supposed to be the last argument I thought?
[08:34] <cyberfrg> thi is where i sigh
[08:34] <cyberfrg> this
[08:34] <Tas0> yes man
[08:34] <Tas0> and this is where I'm supposed to get an answer
[08:34] <thecreep> Tas0 want the noob wizard to set everything up :p
[08:35] <Tas0> YUP
[08:35] <Tas0> dude I've done this shit 5 billion and 45 times
[08:35] <Tas0> I'm on this box and it dosen't work
[08:35] <Tas0> what's goin on y0 what's goin on
[08:35] <Tas0> I'm looking at the man
[08:36] <Tas0> I see nothing about defining a username
[08:36] <cyberfrg> and you read the -f option right?
[08:36] <cyberfrg> well ofcorse you did
[08:36] <cyberfrg> you read the man page 5 billion times
[08:36] <cyberfrg> sry, 5 billion and 45
[08:36] <HarvyB> can apache be used from the user (not root)
[08:37] <HarvyB> i mean can the daemon be config'd and run?
[08:37] <cyberfrg> clearly the man page must be wrong
[08:37] <thecreep> yep
[08:37] <Tas0> well, why will this work for everyone else is my question
[08:37] <Tas0> and not me
[08:37] <cyberfrg> because you arn't doing the command correctly .. why else?
[08:38] <thecreep> maybe if you asked cyberfrg nicely he/she may specify the command you want
[08:38] <cyberfrg> i already did
[08:38] <Tas0> you sid -f
[08:38] <Tas0> said*
[08:38] <dhartmei> what's that '%u' supposed to mean?
[08:38] <Tas0> -f asked you for user input
[08:38] <cyberfrg> it's supposed to be the username
[08:39] <Tas0> that's samba syntax for the username
[08:39] <cyberfrg> Tas0: seriously did you fucking read the fucking man page?
[08:39] <dhartmei> '%' is not a valid char in a user name
[08:39] <Tas0> I know, obvioulsy I'm not trying that
[08:39] <thecreep> hehe
[08:39] <dhartmei> so then run it manually with a correct user name, for starters
[08:39] <Tas0> that's what I did and have been doing
[08:39] <HarvyB> and is there any webserver which can serve multiple users and also run as a
[08:39] <cyberfrg> Get the list of accounts to create from file. If file is ``-'',then get t
[08:40] <HarvyB> actually i have been given a shell with a dedicated ip and now i want to hos
[08:40] <HarvyB> anyone please?
[08:40] <Tas0> cyberfrg that's crazy, there is no list
[08:40] <Tas0> this is a script to add accounts as you go
[08:40] <cyberfrg> i'm going to fucking kill you
[08:40] <Tas0> LOL
[08:40] * Tas0 cries
[08:40] <Tas0> LOOK YOU MADE ME CRY aiight?
[08:40] <cyberfrg> reread what i just pasted instead of the first sentance
[08:40] <Tas0> haha
[08:41] <Tas0> you're so keen
[08:41] <Tas0> I love it
[08:41] <Tas0> I should have you as my focus-er
[08:41] <cyberfrg> you'd be fired so quick it would make your head spin
[08:41] <HarvyB> ?
[08:41] <Tas0> LOL
[08:41] <Tas0> naw I wouldn't
[08:41] <Tas0> I've never got fired
[08:41] <Tas0> in my life
[08:41] <dhartmei> no, you can't start a web server (on port 80) as non-root
[08:41] <cyberfrg> HarvyB: do you have a public_html directory
[08:42] <thecreep> can't you, my mistake, sorrry
[08:42] <HarvyB> dhartmei: I was told on freenode: "It's recommened to start apache and root,
[08:43] <cyberfrg> if you configure it to run as non-root
[08:43] <pixil> HarvyB: Yes. There's a setting in apache to do that.
[08:43] <cyberfrg> if you don't have root then you can't do it
[08:43] <Tas0> yea
[08:43] <Tas0> < 1023 = root
[08:43] <thecreep> toor
[08:43] <Tas0> toop
[08:44] <pixil> Root runs a listener process for port 80, then spawns x amount of child proce
[08:44] <cyberfrg> toor ftw
[08:45] <thecreep> you don't like then?
[08:47] <pbug> pixil: usually there is no need to stay as root once you bind to port 80, you
[08:48] <HarvyB> root is only required to bind the listening socket to a port below 1024
[08:48] <HarvyB> ?
[08:48] <Tas0> my question is why does EVERY person I've seen so far uses "/usr/sbin/useradd
[08:48] <pbug> harvy: yeah
[08:48] <Dianora> traditionally it has been 1024
[08:48] <Dianora> some unixes will allow you to change that now
[08:48] <cyberfrg> Tas0: different version of the application ... adduser and useradd as bina
[08:48] <Tas0> exactly
[08:49] <Tas0> how would I replace the binary?
[08:49] <cyberfrg> you don't
[08:49] <cyberfrg> you fix the script
[08:49] <HarvyB> Dianora: exactly, but i was thinking for configuring apache from the root an
[08:49] <Tas0> well it dosen't seem like there is a way to add this in
[08:49] <Tas0> that -f option made my computer go totally insane
[08:49] <HarvyB> but when i execute apache from the user it tells me that i have no permissio
[08:50] <cyberfrg> i give up on you ... gg
[08:50] <Tas0> lol
[08:50] <thecreep> that's 'not' the spirit!
[08:50] <dhartmei> you can't install, configure, or run apache (on port 80) if you ain't got
[08:50] <Tas0> dude I don't even think this is possible
[08:50] <Tas0> not with this binary
[08:50] <thecreep> have a break and revisit
[08:50] <Tas0> I've never seen a binary like this
[08:51] <HarvyB> after initilization it will drop its root privileges?
[08:51] <Tas0> seriously, I've done this on other machines, and it's totally different from w
[08:51] <dhartmei> yes
[08:51] <Tas0> or Sun
[08:51] <HarvyB> ok
[08:51] <HarvyB> thanks
[08:52] <Tas0> I don't even have a 'groupadd' on this computer
[08:52] <pixil> addgroup?
[08:52] <Tas0> nope
[08:52] <Tas0> not there either
[08:52] <pixil> What OS is this?
[08:52] <Tas0> FreeBSD
[08:53] <Tas0> 5.4
[08:53] <Tas0> the other sys admin set it up
[08:53] <Tas0> not me
[08:53] <pixil> I know nothing about bsd. :-)
[08:53] <Tas0> I'm just using it to setup Samba
[08:53] <dhartmei> and all you can think of is copy/pasting linux samba examples
[08:53] <Tas0> nope
[08:53] <Tas0> hardly man
[08:54] <Tas0> that's 1/9th the battle
[08:54] <Tas0> I'm already done setting up Samba
[08:54] <Tas0> it's alllll setup
[08:54] <Tas0> printing w/ cups, shares, pdc, ect ect
[08:54] <Tas0> I just need to get this one fuckin add machine script working
[08:54] <dhartmei> i mean the useradd script for samba
[08:54] <Tas0> yea
[08:54] <Tas0> well I have BSD examples
[08:54] <Tas0> but for some weird reason I have some totally rare and obscure version of addu
[08:55] <Tas0> and it won't read the shit I sent it like a normal m0m0
[08:55] <dhartmei> you have the stock FreeBSD version. the only thing obscure about it is tha
[08:55] <Tas0> ?? no
[08:55] <Tas0> ./usr/sbin/adduser -n -g machines -c Machine -d /dev/null -s /bin/false %u
[08:55] <Tas0> that should work
[08:55] <jigs> Just installed macosx on my dell duo core......dual boot too.....and now to wo
[08:56] <jigs> the bsd box will be router/firewall/samba
[08:56] <Tas0> nice
[08:56] <Tas0> PDC jigs?
[08:56] <jigs> Hope I dont screw up setting up samba again
[08:56] <Tas0> lol
[08:56] <Tas0> if you need help feel free to ask me
[08:57] <Tas0> I've become a proxpert on samba
[08:57] <jigs> nice
[08:58] <jigs> Im decent at it, but when it comes to getting it samba on the unix box to have
[08:58] <Tas0> no no no
[08:58] <Tas0> not nice lol
[08:59] <Tas0> this shit took me over a month
[08:59] <Tas0> well, exactly a month
[08:59] <jigs> oh, being fecicious?
[08:59] <jigs> *sp
[09:00] <gita> hurray for long socks
[09:00] <Tas0> hehe
[09:00] <gita> oops. wrong window.
[09:00] <pbug> sure sure
[09:00] <Tas0> to set it up as a PDC, with all correct shares, point and print w/ cups, logon
[09:00] <pbug> you meant to share your sock fetish
[09:00] <Tas0> raoming profiles working beaut too
[09:00] <Tas0> roaming*
[09:02] <Rienzilla> it works
[09:06] <thecreep> ah so SATNET is the miltiary network
[09:07] <pbug> so why does it interest you then?
[09:07] <pbug> free pron?
[09:07] <dhartmei> i think you're confusing /usr/sbin/useradd, a shell script (take a look, i
[09:07] <thecreep> someone at my work, worked on it
[09:08] <thecreep> just curious, was mentioned inthe rfc
[09:08] <pbug> thecreep: ahh ok, someone I worked with worked at white sands, I'm sure that's
[09:09] <thecreep> so PRNET is?
[09:09] <thecreep> space?
[09:10] <pbug> I don't have a complete rfc inventory but here is some matches..
[09:10] <pbug> $ grep -i "white sand" * | wc -l
[09:10] <pbug> 7
[09:10] <thecreep> ah so that'll how grep is handy
[09:10] <thecreep> that's
[09:10] <pbug> yeah
[09:12] <thecreep> what would happen if a misconfigured router was added to BGP?
[09:12] <pbug> of course you can scan every RFC into a mysql db like some people do and then
[09:12] <thecreep> internet go byebye?
[09:12] <Hawson> pbug: or just use google to do the same thign
[09:12] <pbug> hawson: yeah..
[09:13] <thecreep> pbug: thanks
[09:13] <thecreep> like incorrect netmask
[09:14] <thecreep> omm oom oom beep beep beep omm oom
[09:14] <pbug> thecreep: I think you'd be dampened pretty quickly if you announced someone el
[09:15] <pbug> there is filters that should prevent that on your bgp peer anyhow
[09:16] <pbug> at one place I worked at I think the router once announced that it would trans
[09:16] <pbug> went in T3 through UUnet.ca and back out 10 Mbps iStar.ca
[09:16] <Hawson> heh
[09:17] <pbug> needless to say it was too expensive for the owner for us to keep that up :P
[09:17] <thecreep> right, home time, really enjoyed today, thanks people
[09:18] <thecreep> might be on in a bit
[09:19] <Tas0> whatver
[09:19] <Tas0> I'm just going to wait until the other sys admin comes awround
[09:19] <Tas0> I have no clue wtf is going on here
[09:24] * at_ is now known as at
[09:38] <Robspiere> this is frustrating.. anywhere I can get help on using the netcat -e flag
[09:39] <pbug> netstat differs among implementation what does -e do?
[09:39] <pbug> netstat or netcat?
[09:39] <pbug> well anyhow it also differs among implementation if it was netcat :P
[09:40] <Robspiere> netcat
[09:40] <Robspiere> it would be nice if there was some help.. the man pages don't tell me any
[09:40] <Robspiere> and neither does google
[09:41] <pbug> perhaps there is no -e flag?
[09:41] <pbug> in openbsd there is none
[09:42] <pbug> have you tried searching for equivalent functionality with different flags in
[09:43] <Robspiere> well the man pages say there is a -e and -c flag
[09:43] <Robspiere> though when i use -c it says illegal option -- c
[09:44] <Robspiere> and nc -e says nc: option requires an argument -- e if i don't put anythi
[09:44] <pbug> try nc -e /dev/stdin
[09:45] <huq> in freebsd -e is used for ipsec policies
[09:46] <huq> -e 'in ipsec esp/transport//require' 'out ipsec esp/transport//require'
[09:46] <Robspiere> i get "nc -h for help"
[09:46] <pbug> ok god, there is not even a -c or -e in openbsd, so here is what I would do, r
[09:46] <pbug> think that would work for you?
[09:47] <Robspiere> i can try it
[09:47] <pbug> have one fifo for stdin and one for stdout/err
[09:49] <Robspiere> all i want to do is from machine A send machine B an argument, then have
[09:50] <spuug> You can use rsh (or ssh) to do that.
[09:50] <Hawson> it'll work, but there are better ways
[09:51] <Hawson> ssh is good, as spuug said
[09:51] <Robspiere> i was worried about security using ssh
[09:51] <tchang> yeah ssh would be the way to do it
[09:51] <Hawson> uh....
[09:51] <Robspiere> because then machine A would have the username and password to get on mac
[09:51] <Hawson> and you weren't using netcat?
[09:51] <tchang> pubkey authentication
[09:51] <Robspiere> with netcat Machine A didn't have the info to log on to machine B
[09:52] <huq> is there a unix replacement for windows rdp?
[09:53] <huq> you know this remote desktop thing
[09:53] <spuug> It's called X
[09:53] <tchang> vnc
[09:53] <huq> with encryption
[09:54] <huq> sound
[09:54] <huq> mapping of local devices
[09:54] <dhartmei> and dancing clipboard
[09:54] <pbug> hhe
[09:55] <pbug> what do you need sound for?
[09:55] <pbug> can't you just freakin' stream mp3's over http?
[09:55] <spuug> cat /dev/audio | nc
[09:56] <huq> i dont have a need for, but whats about device mapping
[09:56] <pbug> I don't even know what device mapping means..
[09:57] <pbug> sounds kinda like NFS
[09:57] <huq> printing localy in a remote session, ...
[09:57] <pbug> nono, you got a network printer for that
[09:57] <huq> using local serial port in this remote session ...
[09:57] <pbug> and all hosts you connect to share that printer
[09:57] <pbug> that makes absolutely no sense
[09:59] <dhartmei> no, vnc doesn't have all the features of pcanywhere (or whatever winblows
[09:59] * erek_ is now known as erek
[10:00] <spuug> What VNC has over PCAnywhere is cross-platform usability.
[10:00] <pbug> I wonder how hard it would be to hack getty to do something like that serial s
[10:00] <dhartmei> can you remote control a vax from a pda with pcanywhere?
[10:02] <dhartmei> there's much better solutions, you get a networked serial port (a little b
[10:02] <Dianora> hrmm
[10:05] <roycroft> i don't believe it
[10:06] <roycroft> our radius error log hasn't been rotated since 27 june 1995
[10:06] <Rienzilla> hehe
[10:06] <Rienzilla> how large is it :))
[10:06] <roycroft> 20MB
[10:06] <roycroft> our radiusd usually works :)
[10:06] <Rienzilla> hehe
[10:07] <Rienzilla> figures :)
[10:07] <roycroft> but today it's not working
[10:07] <roycroft> and i need to parse the error log
[10:13] <Hawson> who is (or was) blue security?
[10:16] <phuct> anti-spam company that auto-submitted opt-out emails/web requests
[10:16] <phuct> that was their big hook
[10:18] <erek> http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=14663&Page=1&pagePos=8
[10:18] <erek> haha
[10:18] <erek> Thanks to pirates, or rather the fear of them, the Intel edition of Apple's OS
[10:18] <erek> Mac developers and power users no longer have the freedom to alter, rebuild, a
[10:36] <thecreep> i will get oident working
[11:01] <YashBOFH> samba question.. I can see the samba server from M$ box if I do \\192.168.
[11:05] <huq> netbios-name?
[11:10] <pbug> re
[11:10] <pbug> man prison.net has been split for a while now
[11:10] <Dianora> DDoS on prison
[11:11] <Dianora> they are working on it
[11:11] <pbug> ahh ok
[11:11] <thecreep> how annoying, got oident working millions of times before
[11:12] <thecreep> just not doing it for me
[11:12] <pbug> ident is no fun
[11:12] <pbug> you make it random the servers kline you
[11:13] <thecreep> oidentd is running, i specified the user, options, wacko jacko
[11:13] <huq> yashbofh: public-option is by default set to no
[11:14] <pbug> thecreep: do you htink your neighbours AP allows ident forwarding?
[11:14] <thecreep> probably not, good point :PPP
[11:14] <thecreep> cheers for that
[11:15] <thecreep> eh, i was suckered there
[11:15] <thecreep> but i never tell the truth
[11:15] <pbug> Y? you admitted yesterday that it's not your dsl
[11:15] <thecreep> true
[11:16] <thecreep> im not one to dwell :)
[11:16] <thecreep> you saved me some brain ache, much appreicated
[11:17] <thecreep> it did actually cross my mind
[11:19] <thecreep> i might ask nicely if they can enable port forwarding
[11:20] <pbug> yeah Y not.. try the default password to get into the AP with web interface
[11:20] <thecreep> lol
[11:22] <thecreep> i think it goes against my code of ethics
[11:22] <pbug> seems my neighbours AP's disappeared after the day I started jamming every fre
[11:23] <thecreep> rofl
[11:23] <pbug> I just had them flood broadcasts on channels 3, 6, 9 and 11
[11:23] <pbug> no it was 2, 5, 9 and 11
[11:23] <Hawson> 3?
[11:23] <Hawson> 1 6 11
[11:23] <kneer0w> O_
[11:23] <kneer0w> o
[11:23] <Hawson> are the only ones that make sense
[11:24] <kalc> hey, is it safe to rm /tmp/* ?
[11:24] <pbug> hawson: with 4 I made sure I really got the spectrum..
[11:24] <Hawson> pbug: heh, true
[11:24] <thecreep> something has twiged
[11:24] <thecreep> cheers
[11:25] <pbug> maybe he noticed it stopped working and started configuring it, disabling the
[11:26] <pbug> I woulda cracked his WEP if my cards supported 128 bit encryption
[11:26] <pbug> but they don't
[11:26] <pbug> plus I'm a good soul
[11:26] <thecreep> prsim 2.5
[11:27] <pbug> I have 3 lucent orinoco silver cards, from back when... and 1 apple AP on chan
[11:27] <pbug> I flooded with it via ethernet
[11:27] <pbug> not sure if it actually broadcastgs wifi if no card is connected to it
[11:27] <thecreep> it's a shame this isn't ssl
[11:28] <thecreep> not that it would make much difference
[11:28] <pbug> it's a small price you have to pay in order that efnet survives
[11:28] <thecreep> unless ssh-2
[11:28] <pbug> if we could encrypt the networks couldn't sustain themselves from the angel-in
[11:28] <pbug> as they gain something too
[11:29] <thecreep> what is a angel investor?
[11:29] <pbug> efnet is the wild west, and law enforcement is obviously interested in curbing
[11:29] <thecreep> ya
[11:29] <pbug> angel investors are rich people who put money into things that have no resourc
[11:30] <thecreep> like me hosting an irc server
[11:30] <pbug> the name angel investor is really a misnomer
[11:30] <pbug> since people who are rich are hardly angels
[11:30] <pixil> like jumbo shrimp!
[11:30] <pbug> most likely they feel guilty and want to give something back
[11:31] <pixil> Quite honestly, though, irc over ssl is meant for small networks.
[11:31] <thecreep> i love that internet
[11:31] <Hawson> there is not a causation between 'rich' and 'evil'.
[11:31] <pixil> It's incredibly expensive on large-scale networks.
[11:31] <thecreep> the
[11:31] <Hawson> There may be a correlation, but not causation
[11:31] <pbug> I didn't say that
[11:32] <pbug> I said people who are rich are hardly angels
[11:32] * SideranLo is now known as Dmi
[11:33] * Dmi slaps pbug around a bit with a large trout
[11:33] <thecreep> i could talk forever, i wish my lan was huge and i had thosands of switche
[11:34] <pixil> Work for a large-scale ISP.
[11:34] <pixil> Just don't plan on keeping your job.
[11:34] <pbug> thecreep: I only have 2 computers on at the moment, my laptop which I use for
[11:35] <pbug> it has a wifi card which is usually connected to the AP
[11:35] <pbug> I run dhcpd off that computer
[11:36] <thecreep> i find it difficult to truthy express my self here
[11:36] <thecreep> truly
[11:36] <pbug> I don't
[11:37] <Hawson> we need more truthiness in this channel
[11:37] <thecreep> im honest
[11:37] <tchang> truthiness owns
[11:37] <pbug> when the truth fairy comes around..
[11:37] <thecreep> what like truth or dare
[11:38] <pbug> you may loose some treeth
[11:38] <pbug> err lose too
[11:38] <thecreep> my powers are weak
[11:39] <pbug> oh I'm definitely weakest
[11:39] <thecreep> i need internet access
[11:39] <pbug> are you like seriously poor?
[11:39] <thecreep> no just tight
[11:39] <pbug> residence dsl isn't that much
[11:39] <thecreep> i'd rather save for an rs4
[11:40] <pbug> I'd be contented with dial-in if they offered that at flat rate in germany, bu
[11:40] <pbug> dsl is actually cheaper to have than dial-in here
[11:40] <Dmi> it's all your fault.
[11:40] <thecreep> lol
[11:40] <pbug> especially when you idle a lot like chatting on IRC
[11:40] <pbug> long connect times, little bandwidth
[11:41] <thecreep> indeed washed away in seconds
[11:42] <Hawson> http://netbsd.org/~liamjfoy/sweet.jpg
[11:42] <Hawson> That's a condom machine in the background
[11:43] <Hawson> (it's SFW)
[11:43] <pbug> nice daemon
[11:44] <thecreep> hehe
[11:44] <thecreep> which one?
[11:44] <pbug> both
[11:44] <thecreep> lol
[11:44] <thecreep> good photo
[11:44] <thecreep> :)
[11:46] <pbug> that seems to be a legitimate lisa18
[11:46] <pbug> hi lisa
[11:46] <pbug> nope maybe not
[11:46] <thecreep> hehe
[11:47] <thecreep> i should perhaps be using this time reading on rfc, but ive had enough for
[11:47] <roycroft> haha
[11:48] <pbug> if you read too much RFC at once your balls shrink
[11:48] <thecreep> damn, i really do sound like policeman from allo, allo
[11:48] <roycroft> someone posted a script to let you control front row with a bluetooth phon
[11:48] <roycroft> so if you have a mac without the remote control and the hack to run front
[11:49] <pbug> roycroft: neat
[11:49] <pbug> all I need is a cell now :)
[11:49] <pbug> well I have one..
[11:49] <pbug> the frequency band of it don't work in germany though
[11:50] <thecreep> im not clued up on BT
[11:50] <AC-130U> meh
[11:51] <roycroft> i was gonna get an older mac mini for my living room but i want to run fro
[11:51] <thecreep> amongst other things
[11:51] <roycroft> this would solve that problem
[11:51] <pbug> afaik, europe cell phone network operates different frequencies than in north
[11:51] <roycroft> although the macintel minis are not that expensive
[11:51] <AC-130U> mac nano... what would it look like if such machine ever came out?
[11:52] <pbug> AC: there is a nice userfriendly cartoon regarding that
[11:52] <pbug> you may have read it..
[12:00] <pbug> wow first solid stool in 6 months for me, something must be going right lately
[12:01] <pbug> "it's all about faking you feel great"
[12:04] <AC-130U> i may have, pbug
[12:04] <jigs> if anyone has succesfully installed macosx on a dual core intel pc.....please
[12:04] <AC-130U> that was the ipod nano, in fact
[12:04] <roycroft> jigs: it comes pre-installed
[12:06] <jigs> not on a pc
[12:06] <jigs> i downloaded the leaked version
[12:06] <jigs> repartitioned my drive so I could dual boot
[12:06] <jigs> windows/macosx
[12:06] <roycroft> if you are talking about installing it on non-apple hardware that's illega
[12:06] <roycroft> and you may leave now
[12:07] <jigs> lol
[12:07] <jigs> ok, mr i play by the law
[12:07] <jigs> thats funny
[12:07] * Hawson changes topic to '< pbug> wow first solid stool in 6 months for me'
[12:07] <jigs> wish i had soft stool
[12:07] * jigs is allways constipated
[12:08] <pbug> my stool was pitch black a few months ago
[12:08] <pbug> and saucy
[12:08] <jigs> opiates?
[12:09] <pbug> who knows I'm not an expert
[12:09] <pbug> I've stopped seeing a doctor.. they scare me
[12:09] <jigs> no, do you do opiates?
[12:09] <jigs> pills
[12:09] <jigs> heroin
[12:09] <pbug> oh no, nothing of the sorts
[12:09] <jigs> vicodin
[12:09] <jigs> ok
[12:09] <pbug> just black tea
[12:09] <jigs> that contributes to that
[12:09] <pbug> although I haven't had black tea in a long time..
[12:10] <pbug> recently started drinking it again
[12:10] <jigs> my freind has macosx working awsome on his new dell duao core......wish he was
[12:11] <roycroft> why don't you just buy a mac if you want to use os x or not use os x if yo
[12:11] <jigs> I got the install working great, after its installed tho.....it just reboots t
[12:12] <jigs> becuase.....the mac guy that leaked the source code.....did it for people like
[12:12] <jigs> who want windows and mac on one machine, but dont want to buy a mac
[12:12] <jigs> or linux and mac
[12:13] <jigs> I use every OS
[12:13] <jigs> im a unix hugger
[12:13] <roycroft> so you are ok with breaking the law because it suits your needs to do so?
[12:13] <jigs> since I just spent $2100 on a new dual core....I figured I would try this out
[12:14] <roycroft> seems like you're just a typical spoon-fed punk kid who has no respect for
[12:14] <jigs> ummmmmm......yeA
[12:14] <jigs> im a programmer too.....I just belive in not paying for software
[12:14] <roycroft> you just believe in stealing
[12:15] <Dianora> jigs: So if you were a plumber, you wouldn't believe in paying for plumbing
[12:15] <jigs> at least .....you could pay for the os and not software
[12:15] <jigs> or vice versa
[12:15] <Rienzilla> a mac runs windows :)
[12:15] <jigs> and pc's now run mac
[12:15] <jigs> :)
[12:15] <roycroft> not legally
[12:15] <Rienzilla> myeah, and it sucks
[12:16] <jigs> legally.....i dont abide by some laws that are dumb
[12:16] <roycroft> i am asking you again to leave
[12:16] <Rienzilla> roycroft: isn't it possible to just buy a OSX license and try to install
[12:16] <Dianora> Rienzilla: ys
[12:16] <Dianora> walk into a store and buy it
[12:16] <roycroft> that would be a license violation, rienzilla
[12:16] <pbug> I've stopped buying software other than open source distribs since 1995, and f
[12:16] <roycroft> but it's irrelevant
[12:16] <Dianora> actually
[12:16] <Rienzilla> would it? I'm not familiar with its license
[12:16] <roycroft> because you can't buy os x for x86 yet
[12:16] <pbug> it seems lately everything is coming together
[12:16] <Hawson> it would depend on the license
[12:16] <pbug> I had to wait 10 years for this..
[12:16] <Hawson> it might say "only authrosed hardware" or something
[12:16] <Dianora> had to be said
[12:16] <roycroft> the license states that it can only be used on apple hardware
[12:17] <pbug> and there is still so much more to be done in open source
[12:17] <Rienzilla> oh ok
[12:17] <Rienzilla> whatever, nobody would want to do that anyway
[12:18] <roycroft> and for the record i'm not taking a position on whether or not apple shoul
[12:19] <Rienzilla> No, actually my point was irrelevant :-)
[12:19] <roycroft> but the fact is that they own the intellectual property and they have the
[12:19] <Rienzilla> true
[12:20] <roycroft> i may disagree with their license terms but my disagreement would not enti
[12:20] <Rienzilla> true to some extent
[12:20] <roycroft> to what extent is that not true?
[12:21] <Rienzilla> Well, I'm getting a little scared by what software companies may and may
[12:21] <Rienzilla> especially with the trusted computing thing coming up
[12:21] <pbug> i agree with that, considering some apple mac os x stuff
[12:22] <Rienzilla> I mean, legally, you are right... But there might be a point where you ca
[12:22] <roycroft> there's always a choice
[12:22] <Rienzilla> I really disagree with that
[12:22] <roycroft> you can choose not to use computers
[12:22] <Rienzilla> yes, there's a choice, but it might have extreme consequences
[12:22] <roycroft> it's not a popular cohice
[12:22] <pbug> I think it's time for open source hardware
[12:22] <roycroft> choice
[12:22] <roycroft> right
[12:23] <roycroft> pbug: what do you think the peecee is?
[12:23] <pbug> so bypass that trusted computing platform completely
[12:23] <Rienzilla> pbug: that won't help
[12:23] <roycroft> but at any rate
[12:23] <roycroft> i'm not saying one cannot violate a license term
[12:23] <Dianora> there is no shortage of work to do in open source
[12:23] <roycroft> but one needs to recognise that doing so may bear legal and ethical conseq
[12:24] <Rienzilla> yep
[12:24] <roycroft> and one needs to be prepared for that
[12:24] * roycroft thinks that if the trusted computing crap really happens he may seriously consid
[12:25] <Rienzilla> meah
[12:25] <Rienzilla> myeah
[12:25] <pbug> that's gonna be difficult
[12:25] <roycroft> or else i'll just keep using the old stuff until it dies :)
[12:25] <Rienzilla> it's gonna be impossible though :)
[12:25] <roycroft> pbug: no it's not
[12:25] <pbug> for me it would be then
[12:25] <roycroft> there are thousands of millions of people all around the world who have ne
[12:26] <pbug> yeah
[12:26] <Rienzilla> heh, you need a computer here to report your income tax :)
[12:26] <Rienzilla> it can't be done on paper anymore :)
[12:27] <pbug> heh I haven't done my income tax in 2 years :P
[12:27] <Rienzilla> hehe
[12:27] <Rienzilla> haven't had income? :P
[12:27] <pbug> right
[12:27] <pbug> well a short 6 month stint at a company
[12:27] <Rienzilla> ah
[12:27] <pbug> that made me enough money to buy the amd64
[12:27] <pbug> and it relocated me to frankfurt
[12:28] <roycroft> i can walk into my accountant's office with my shoebox full of receipts an
[12:28] <Dianora> that's what I do
[12:28] <Dianora> normally
[12:28] <Dianora> except I keep it all in a binder
[12:28] <Dianora> per year
[12:28] <Dianora> same idea
[12:29] <pbug> when I was in canada I used to go to hr block all the time
[12:29] <pbug> cost something like 50 dollars or something..
[12:30] <pbug> very first time I went there I got 650 dollars or something for tax return
[12:31] <pbug> bought my first 2nd computer with that, a pentium 120
[12:31] <pbug> 2 ethernet cards, cross over cat5
[12:31] <pbug> first time I used ethernet..
[12:34] <pbug> the 486 I had was called bug, the 120 I bought I called it tap :)
[12:34] <pbug> back then I played with tcpdump a lot
[12:34] <pbug> I sure grew outta that
[12:35] <pbug> well other than debugging, but not watching any traffic..
[12:39] <thecreep> ah, im still here, had to close the door a bit, was getting cold, thought
[12:41] <thecreep> pbug, i reckon you have holy blood
[12:41] <pbug> thecreep: there is no such thing
[12:41] <roycroft> lunch time - and not a minute too soon!
[12:41] <thecreep> lol
[12:41] <thecreep> :(
[12:42] <pbug> the moment you believe something like that you kid yourself...we're human, no
[12:43] <pbug> but the stories people create in order to hope for a higher power is a nice pa
[12:45] <pbug> when a lot of people put their efforts and resources together it can be mistoo
[12:45] <pbug> to a single person alone
[12:46] <thecroop> hmm, that could of been a dos, or paranioa
[12:50] <wettoast> http://www.cafepress.com/tshirtoffensive.13877093
[12:50] <wettoast> nsfw
[12:54] <Hawson> slow
[13:00] <pbug> anyhow religion has always preyed on the mentally ill, physically unfortunate
[13:00] <pbug> because it's easier to convince those
[13:01] <pbug> oh yeah the physically ill too
[13:04] <YashBOFH> Anyone ever run a remote command on M$ boxes? I'm about to try it with cyg
[13:05] <pixil> 'remote command' ?
[13:05] <tchang> you want a remote cli? :P
[13:05] <pixil> hehe
[13:05] <YashBOFH> yup
[13:05] <tchang> there's a telnet server ;)
[13:05] <pixil> like telnet?
[13:05] <pixil> heh
[13:05] <YashBOFH> more like rsh
[13:06] <tchang> not really
[13:06] <tchang> erm.
[13:06] <YashBOFH> I'm hoping there is an sshd in cygwin I can use keys with
[13:06] <tchang> if the proper ports are open you can create ado32 objects and "push" them to
[13:06] <tchang> but that'd require access on the rpc ports
[13:06] <tchang> and it's not really a CLI.. just a way to interface with windows remotely
[13:06] <pixil> I thought you had to pay for openssh in windows?
[13:06] <tchang> cygwin has an sshd
[13:07] <YashBOFH> can you run M$ crap (like perl.exe or calc.exe) in cygwin sshd?
[13:07] <pixil> ALL remote 'commands' will require rpc for windows.
[13:07] <tchang> yea
[13:08] <YashBOFH> okay cool
[13:16] <kneer0w> yo yash
[13:37] <YashBOFH> hola kneer0w
[13:42] <YashBOFH> sshd working, now to install x on M$ and try gooey
[13:46] <erek> what does BOFH mean?
[13:47] <Dianora> bastard operator from hell
[13:47] <Dianora> bastard operator from hell == BOFH
[13:49] <pbug> can someone go to http://www.reggaemania.com and tell me the first URL that is
[13:50] <pbug> trying to find out some names of songs from recent broadcasts, it would help m
[13:51] <pbug> thanks in advance
[13:53] <YashBOFH> I see nothing but a big square in my firefox, pbug.
[13:54] <pbug> oh I forgot to mention.. for those people who have flash capable browsers..
[13:54] <pbug> you gotta get past the first screen somehow..
[13:54] <pbug> after that I'm sure is non-flash pages
[13:54] <pbug> I used to be able to bypass it by googling: site: www.reggaemania.com
[13:55] <pbug> but google must have removed the function
[13:58] <belter> http://www.reggaemania.com/radioshow/archives/2006/may/may122k6.m3u
[13:59] <belter> i can't find there non flash site
[13:59] <pbug> belter: thanks
[13:59] <pbug> oh well.. they really need a webmaster for non-flashy webbrowsers
[13:59] <pbug> but you know how it is..
[14:00] <pbug> they are radio dj's not computer nerds although the equipment they use is comp
[14:00] <mongo2> http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6875/6875358cv1a.jpg
[14:00] <mongo2> ga putty paste please ignore
[14:17] <dhartmei> http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/73098.aspx
[14:23] <pbug> dhartmei: heh
[14:23] <pbug> why does SQL injection have to be so stupid?
[14:23] <pbug> when they invented PHP couldn't they have figured that shit out somehow?
[14:24] <pbug> why does one have to write countless check routines for input?
[14:24] <dhartmei> one doesn't. hence the WTF.
[14:24] <dhartmei> it's simple, when done right ;)
[14:25] <pbug> I've written one or two PHP cgi's in my life and I think they were vulnerable
[14:25] <pbug> nothing in production just fooling around with the stuff
[14:25] <pbug> did one as an intern.. I do hope the guy doesn't reuse my code
[14:27] <pbug> it's all just one big playground for me really.. I've never really written any
[14:27] <pbug> just a phoney hacker :)
[14:27] <pbug> but so be it..
[14:28] <pbug> I don't think anyone took me serious since I started smoking weed, and that's
[14:28] <dhartmei> heh
[14:29] <pbug> it's known to cause brain damage
[14:29] <dhartmei> yeah, LD50 is 2 kilograms, falling on your head from the fifth floor
[14:30] <pbug> what's LD50?
[14:30] <dhartmei> the dose at which 50% of the subjects die
[14:30] <dhartmei> lethal dose 50% ;)
[14:30] <pbug> lsd?
[14:30] <dhartmei> no, for any substance
[14:30] <pbug> oh really..
[14:30] <dhartmei> even water has a LD50
[14:31] <dhartmei> everything is a poison :)
[14:31] <pbug> hmm didn't know that
[14:31] <pbug> yeah I suspected that :)
[14:32] <Rienzilla> it';s not the substance, but the amount trhat is poisonous :)
[14:32] <pbug> well on top of all things I've always been a tense kid and fell on my head a l
[14:41] <deww> hmm
[14:41] <deww> hey folks, can you recover deleted files on a solaris machine?
[14:41] <pbug> no
[14:42] <deww> perfect.
[14:42] <deww> time to look for a new job.
[14:42] <pbug> ok
[14:42] <pbug> there is a way, but if you have to ask you don't have the skill
[14:43] <deww> would you mind pointing me to the right direction?
[14:43] <pbug> the data is not exactly gone, but if the filesystem isn't immediately shut dow
[14:44] <pbug> deww: when you do an rm without -P or such flags only the inode is removed fro
[14:44] <pbug> the data is there.. but nothing connects it to a file..
[14:44] <deww> ok. i didn't use -P
[14:44] <pbug> the process of recovery takes special programming, it's not even a 1 hour job
[14:45] <pbug> a very crude way is to run the strings binary on the raw disk device
[14:45] <deww> wow
[14:45] <dhartmei> if it's really important, turn off the machine (remove power), and call an
[14:45] <pbug> but that'll only recover parts of text/source
[14:45] <deww> it is very important unfortunately
[14:45] <deww> there are backups
[14:46] <dhartmei> then do that, remove the power cord, no nice shutdown. do it soon. :)
[14:46] <deww> but those backups don't seem to restore properly
[14:47] <pbug> in my opinion it's not worth the time if you don't have days to make programs
[14:47] <pbug> a recovery expert has these programs pre-written
[14:47] <deww> 3 text files really
[14:47] <deww> damn
[14:47] <pbug> with text files you can get lucky with strings as I said
[14:47] <pbug> do what dhartmei said..
[14:48] <pbug> do not write to that filesystem while looking for the old stuff
[14:48] <deww> i'l see if i can get that done
[14:48] <deww> yeah we're attempting to restore to another machine
[14:50] <dhartmei> every new file the running system creates, every line it adds to log files
[14:50] <pbug> yup
[14:51] <pbug> best to shut it down and recover from a recover cd or mount readonly, never wr
[14:51] <deww> thanks.
[14:51] <deww> yep
[14:52] <omnix> what happens when I use gzip on files in an nfs mount?
[14:52] <pbug> although I suspect the fsck only touches inodes and their references.. not dat
[14:52] <omnix> does it download the files, gzips and uploads back?
[14:52] <dhartmei> the entire file is sucked down over the network, and the compressed file i
[14:55] <pbug> omnix: logically thinking the computer needs its own CPU to touch the data som
[14:56] <pbug> you can always write your own program over SSH or something that'll compress f
[15:03] <kevinh90> hello
[15:05] <erek> Creative finally sues Apple
[15:07] <pbug> oh shit look at the time.. well knight folks!
[15:17] <deww> hey all thanks again
[15:18] <deww> had an one day old backup with 5 lines difference
[15:18] <deww> :D
[15:31] <kevinh90> kickban Grits- please
[15:31] <kevinh90> Grits- hey r u there?
[15:31] <kevinh90> kevinh90 yes
[15:31] <kevinh90> Grits- sorry for bothering but do u ever play poker?
[15:31] <kevinh90> kevinh90 no
[15:31] <kevinh90> Grits- well maybe ull like my site www.dailyfreepoker.com
[15:31] <kevinh90> kevinh90 and if you paste a link i will /ignore you
[15:31] <kevinh90> Grits- it lists hundreds of free online poker tournaments everyday with ca
[15:31] <kevinh90> Grits- and lots of other poker stuff :)
[15:31] <kevinh90> kevinh90 who are you
[15:41] <Rienzilla> ?!
[15:41] <Rienzilla> oh ok
[15:48] <jason10> good afternoon everybody
[16:33] * smb3_guy is now known as CCFL_Man
[17:33] <Yashy> yoyoyo
[17:34] <Rndpkt> Hey Yash
[17:34] <kevinh90> hi!?
[17:35] <Rndpkt> "hi" isn't usually a question
[17:35] * Rndpkt is now known as RndPkt
[17:35] <Yashy> How goes Rnd? Keeping busy judging by your IRC time as of late?
[17:35] <RndPkt> You have no idea :)
[17:39] * Yashy wonders if that is a challenge to make a guess
[17:39] * Yashy holds his arms out
[17:39] <Yashy> this much?
[17:39] <RndPkt> Yup
[17:39] <Yashy> so I did have an idea!
[17:39] * Yashy pulls his arms in a little closer and giggles
[17:40] <Yashy> I just got a message asking me if I want to leave for the US at 7:30a.m.
[17:40] <RndPkt> For work?
[17:40] <Yashy> nope, hamvention.org.
[17:40] <Yashy> I thought this group was leaving Friday.. hrm.
[17:40] <RndPkt> In Dayton?
[17:43] <Yashy> yup
[17:43] <RndPkt> Cool
[17:43] <jason10> ohio is awesome
[17:43] <RndPkt> Friend of mine is going
[17:43] <Yashy> been there a couple times
[17:44] <RndPkt> Let me know if you run into N3CVL
[17:44] <RndPkt> Probably not, but you never know :)
[17:44] <Yashy> Bob?!
[17:44] <Yashy> hehe just kidding, I don't know him
[17:45] <RndPkt> I didn't think so :)
[17:45] <Yashy> Do you know what bands/modes he uses
[17:45] <RndPkt> No
[17:45] <RndPkt> I don't know much about his ham activities
[17:45] <Dianora> get a ticket!
[17:45] <Yashy> most hams tend to frequent the same band/modes
[17:46] <RndPkt> He does a lot with emergency services in Allegheny Co.
[17:46] <Yashy> like Dianora I would guess as an HF CWer and bird chaser
[17:46] <Dianora> I used to do a fair bit of 80m ssb
[17:46] <Dianora> but to do that, you need an antenna
[17:47] <Dianora> and cw is quieter at night
[17:47] <Dianora> my 80m antenna sucks
[17:48] <Yashy> I do 40m ssb on 7050-7100 once in a while.. so doubt I've talked to RndPkt's
[17:48] <Dianora> lately I have had someone generating some really nasty QRN
[17:48] <Dianora> I need to DF it
[17:48] <Dianora> figure out what it is
[17:48] <Yashy> I spin 80m once in a while, but mostly American politics ragchew (like 7150-7
[17:48] <Dianora> 'cause it is so bad it is putting sparklies on our satellite tv
[17:48] <Yashy> I use IRC for American politics rants ;)
[17:49] <Yashy> That reminds me, I still have the ve3bne call.. need to host an event.
[17:49] <Dianora> It looks to be north of me, I suspect a noisy electrical pole
[17:50] <Dianora> Yashy: Really there wasn't much wrong with the tournortel stuff
[17:50] <Dianora> Yashy: Anything I would send you would mention the tournortel people were d
[17:50] <Yashy> maybe it's the same thing causing garage interferebce around here :)
[17:50] <Yashy> Dianora: noted
[17:50] <Dianora> well, it could be the restaurant on the corner of baseline and fisher
[17:51] <Dianora> Yashy: I will send you that e-mail so it is in writing if you wish
[17:51] <Yashy> lonestar
[17:51] <Yashy> and big daddy's crab shack
[17:51] <Dianora> Yashy: But the poor folks at the first corner I went to, had no maps, had n
[17:51] <Yashy> you're around there?
[17:51] <Dianora> yes
[17:51] <Dianora> just behind baseline/fisher
[17:52] <Dianora> in a block from fisher down 3 or 4 from baseline
[17:52] <Yashy> Dianora: worth dropping me a line with your concerns they fscked up on, I'll
[17:52] <Dianora> alright. I will make it officious
[17:53] <Yashy> I raced a mustang down that road to colannade once
[17:54] <Yashy> I'd like to suggest when I was young, but it was in the last few years :/
[18:03] <Yashy> damn it
[18:03] <Yashy> just got asked to work 1/2 day tomorrow
[18:03] <Yashy> stupid contracts
[18:04] <Yashy> 4 hours just ruined my US trip
[18:04] <Yashy> at least I can say I'm still boycotting the US I guess, even if I intended on
[18:18] <Yashy> Dianora: got it, thanks.
[19:03] <Ryugi> what are some good programming languages to learn when dealing with unix syst
[19:03] <kneer0w> .. c
[19:04] <Yashy> fortran
[19:04] <Figz> cobol
[19:04] <Yashy> lol
[19:04] * Yashy wonders when Figz joined the sarcastic train
[19:05] <Ryugi> so many
[19:06] <Figz> ryugi, C is the language you learn if you want to eventually become a unix gur
[19:06] <Dianora> 'c' is old fashioned.
[19:06] <Dianora> learn c#
[19:06] <Figz> it's not impossible to elevate to guru class without knowing C.. but it's much
[19:06] * Dianora runs
[19:06] * Dianora runs even faster
[19:06] <Dianora> sysadminning consists in reading the source code
[19:07] <Yashy> sysadminning isn't asking on IRC every single time you get stuck? :)
[19:07] <Dianora> good sys admins learn how to read.
[19:08] * Yashy is a naughty, iliiterate sysadmin
[19:08] <Figz> understanding how unix works is advantageous to using it effectively..
[19:08] <Figz> otherwise you're stuck with rote learning and manpages
[19:08] <Dianora> unix is the worst operating system in the world
[19:08] <Yashy> the colonel keeps his rams in line = unix
[19:08] <Dianora> except for all the others
[19:09] <Figz> yea yea.. it's just less worse than all the others
[19:09] * Yashy forces Dianora to use plan9 for the rest of eternity
[19:09] <Yashy> with common criteria ACLs
[19:09] <kneer0w> but the bunny is soooooooooooo cute!!! ^_^
[19:09] * Figz got a stinky new computer and a too expensive camera lens today.. heh
[19:10] * Yashy saw kneer0w in a BSDCan pic >:)
[19:10] <kneer0w> i saw me in a bsdcan pic too :O :O
[19:10] * Yashy wonders why Figz didn't order the odour free version
[19:11] <Yashy> grow op industrial touch screen would be stinky I would guess, and you are in
[19:11] <Figz> new computer smell.. I've got it fired up in a remote room to aerate
[19:12] <Yashy> will it beat my 440MHz monster is the real test
[19:15] <Figz> it's only a 2.4
[19:21] <phus> Yashy my new computer is 440MHz also :-)
[19:21] <phus> got it last week
[19:22] * Figz has a 400 working happily..
[19:22] * Yashy 440 is a U10
[19:23] <erek> 440bx chipset
[19:24] <Figz> fine.. I have a 55.5MHz running right now
[19:24] <erek> i have a P6 chip running at 2260MHz =)
[19:24] <phus> yeah mines is 2 x 440MHz 2GB of mem
[19:24] <erek> Intel (P6 Dothan) Pentium M
[20:37] * Disconnected
[20:37] * Attempting to rejoin channel #unixhelp
[20:37] * Rejoined channel #unixhelp
[20:37] * Topic is '< pbug> wow first solid stool in 6 months for me'
[20:37] * Set by Hawson!tFbudryMw4@agricola.ms.northwestern.edu on Wed May 17 12:07:37
[21:24] <_rynz-> http://www.columbinegame.com/
[21:28] <Figz> when did cheap computers get so fast?
[21:43] <wettoast> define cheap
[21:47] <Figz> < $1000
[21:57] <roycroft> i'm sure you're worth more than that
[21:58] <Figz> it's just getting harder to justify spending large amounts of money on a pc..
[22:00] <xSCOTTx> hey
[22:00] <xSCOTTx> was there just a split ?
[22:00] <Ficus> if so, it was a small one
[22:01] <wettoast> xSCOTTx: no split.
[22:02] <wettoast> Figz: yey for technical advancements :)
[22:02] <xSCOTTx> i could'nt connect to any channels on this network it said i could'nt durin
[22:03] * androids is now known as androids`
[22:03] <wettoast> [N] Netsplit detected at 9:16am between ircd.he.net and irc.Prison.NET pre
[22:03] <wettoast> thats my most recent split log...
[22:04] <xSCOTTx> sf10
[22:04] <wettoast> what?
[22:05] <xSCOTTx> sorry im abit tired
[22:05] <xSCOTTx> lol
[22:05] <wettoast> ok..
[22:40] <jefftestu> hey everyone
[22:41] <jefftestu> i am having problems running postgresql on solaris 9 everytime i try to r
[22:58] <Church> jefftestu: sounds to me like you're not compiling your own but installing so
[22:58] <Church> have you installed everything mentioned in dependancies aswell?
[23:04] <jefftestu> i got it thanks
[23:05] <jefftestu> i was doing LD_PATH_LIBRARY but i needed to do LD_PATH_LIBRARY_64 because
[23:05] <jefftestu> thanks for trying to help church
[23:19] <erek> Have a look at SGI Irix - that thing is heavily optimized for multimedia, and
[23:25] <wettoast> erek: its also obsolete and not widely used.
[23:26] <CCFL_Man> methyl mercaptin is one of the main compounts in farts that make it smelly
Session Close: Thu May 18 00:00:00 2006
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