IRC Chat Logs - An Archive of EFnet IRC Channels

Session Start: Wed Sep 13 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #politics
[00:00] <trickjob> cant i trade them for some stem cells
[00:00] <TimothyT> I'm tired of looking at boobs on my TV!
[00:00] * trickjob needs new organs
[00:00] <toecutter> e-Hernick, just go to sunpowers stock a yahoo.finance, do the math
[00:00] * SonOfSpam ponders why breeding rates generally increase compartively speaking to the pare
[00:00] <greggor> WQe have plenty of oil shale in the US so don't expect too much wind or sol
[00:01] <trickjob> so deos alberta
[00:01] <SonOfSpam> Should say inversely to
[00:01] <trickjob> lets invade canada
[00:01] <trickjob> nobody will notice
[00:01] <greggor> We have more
[00:01] <suna> everyone loves to bitch about the problems of oil dependancy, but unfortunatel
[00:01] <trickjob> i have a problem when the sea level rises too quickly
[00:01] <trickjob> damn climate junk
[00:02] <greggor> There is no problem but if it gets to five a gallon we can use our oil
[00:02] <trickjob> i have this damn condo
[00:02] <greggor> Chevron just fouind a heap in the gulf
[00:02] <trickjob> it would suck galactic ass if it went underwater
[00:02] <greggor> bbl
[00:03] <trickjob> my condo suffers from global warming and human activity and the sun and st
[00:03] <suna> yay for chevron, i'm sure that ugly egg-headed ceo of theirs is pleased about
[00:03] <trickjob> man
[00:04] <toecutter> suna, 50% of your expenses would be eliminated, no/low car repair bills,
[00:04] <TimothyT> buy more Chevron stock
[00:04] <suna> btw i wasn't trying to say anything about the ceo personally, i know nothing a
[00:04] <trickjob> buy nuclear stocks
[00:04] <trickjob> fission is fun
[00:04] <trickjob> and keeps getting cleaner
[00:05] <suna> I don't have the capital to fuck w/ stocks:)
[00:05] <toecutter> finance.yahoo.com/q?s=spwr
[00:06] <trickjob> suna: got any spare ducets?
[00:06] <trickjob> try index funds
[00:06] <toecutter> sunpower - automated solar manufacturing plant.
[00:06] <trickjob> or these fiends
[00:06] <trickjob> http://www.vicefund.com/
[00:07] <trickjob> i dont own any
[00:07] <trickjob> dont want to go to hell
[00:07] <redfish> 1anus 2anus 3anus 4
[00:07] <toecutter> one after another, 2,10,100, 1000, 10000 plants installed a day.
[00:07] <redfish> please dont cut my toe
[00:07] <redfish> i dont want my toe cut
[00:08] <redfish> thank god cleveland left irc he was giving me the willies
[00:08] <trickjob> ?
[00:08] <suna> solar energy has unbelievable potential. I'm sure efficiencies arn't fantastic
[00:08] <suna> however since politicians only work with extremes, can't listen to anything an
[00:09] <redfish> suna isnt eXtreme enough
[00:09] <Fischbek> suna passive solar is very efficient
[00:09] <trickjob> my 1$ solar powered sex machine is even more proof
[00:09] <suna> lol
[00:09] <redfish> i hate solar powered calculators
[00:09] <suna> man have you ever been in a sex shop trickjob? you can't buy a fucking single
[00:10] <suna> $80 for a vibrator and shit. I couldn't believe my eyes
[00:10] <trickjob> when i have a fully networked solar powered dong
[00:10] <trickjob> i will buy
[00:10] <trickjob> then sell
[00:10] <suna> lol
[00:10] <trickjob> until then my bets are on fission and burger king
[00:10] <toecutter> Doesnet really matter spwr is growing 10% sequentially.
[00:11] <suna> i went in 'secrets' or whatever. I dunno if it's a trend for sex stores, but t
[00:12] <suna> oh shut up. You all go to sex shops. I saw ft & cometbaby at one last week. Or
[00:13] <suna> end of file? END OF FILE? FINE
[00:13] <suna> see how it is
[00:13] <toecutter> spwr is growing fast, doesnt really matter, people will disconnect their
[00:17] <suna> yah i've met a few people with solar powered homes. I'm no engineer whose an e
[00:17] <suna> all comes down to how good the panels are, how expensive they are to replace,
[00:18] <toecutter> spwr makes the most efficent panels at 15 watts per square foot, experime
[00:18] <redfish> PARIS (Reuters) - French youngsters are smoking and drinking less but are i
[00:19] <suna> not to mention once demand for the damn things hits the sky, so will quality.
[00:19] <Fischbek> look at this: http://discharges.org/h/1101/ W....T....F....
[00:20] <suna> bah, boring topic i guess in my opinion....just gotta wait for the inevitable.
[00:20] <SonOfSpam> Something tells me "discharges" in a url just leads to visually unpleasan
[00:20] <suna> maybe i'll be alive to see it, maybe not. I kinda hope not, cause the world is
[00:20] <suna> ;p
[00:21] <panini> give up on solar
[00:21] <suna> yah yah I know there's a million experts saying the time has already come bah
[00:21] <panini> even if you coated the entire surface of the earth in solar panels, you woul
[00:21] <suna> weather, poop
[00:22] <panini> nukes is where it's at
[00:22] <redfish> panini would solar power be enough to use for lighting
[00:22] <panini> mmmmmkay?
[00:23] <redfish> panini ----- have you been to seattle
[00:23] <toecutter> yes, you would 4X necessary for home/transports/and heating/cooling - all
[00:23] <panini> yup
[00:27] <toecutter> all the right is old news.
[00:31] <redfish> *we*must*all*sleep*
[00:33] <suna> LIES
[00:33] <suna> ok fine not really
[00:33] <suna> if you don't sleep you go psycho and die
[00:33] <suna> and then you wake up...realizing that you did'nt die, you were just sleeping..
[00:33] <suna> so yah, best to sleep voluntarily
[00:34] <suna> sleep dep has fucked my logic up more than any drug i've ever taken has;/ Ya k
[00:34] <suna> ;p
[00:41] <panini> suna has issues
[00:42] <Publius> haha
[00:42] <Publius> heh
[00:43] <PyR3X> i would argue President Bush in later years will be renowned one of the best
[00:43] <panini> sure
[00:43] <PyR3X> much like how Eisenhower was hated in office.
[00:43] <panini> he's already top 3 of all time
[00:44] <PyR3X> whose that?
[00:44] <panini> only 3 presidents ever cut taxes
[00:44] <panini> Bush is one of them
[00:44] <panini> therefore Bush is top 3
[00:46] <Fischbek> panini tax is never cut. it only goes up. "cut" taxes are a misnomer
[00:49] <PyR3X> what does everyone think of hilary clinton for presient
[00:49] <Fischbek> PyR3X our savior. She will fix everything.
[00:49] <Fischbek> PyR3X I can hardly wait.
[00:50] <PyR3X> you think so?
[00:50] <Fischbek> Oh gosh yes. She will bring new vigor to the US. I pray to her nightly t
[00:51] <PyR3X> who do you think she will be running against?
[00:51] <Fischbek> honestly, I don't think they will run a woman.
[00:52] <n00b535> cuts almost always mean cuts in the rate of increase. By the way, what happ
[00:53] <Fischbek> n00b535 yes...cut in the rate of increase... and it gets made up for els
[00:54] <Fischbek> n00b535 or they tell us there's a cut in the rate. we just have to accep
[00:55] <n00b535> Not unlike the copncept of a company offering benefits which are taken from
[00:56] <Fischbek> yes
[00:56] <Fischbek> good thinking
[00:56] <Fischbek> n00b535 people will fall for anything, and LOVE the idea of "free" stuff.
[00:56] <n00b535> I'm conservative but I beleive that the left has some legitimate gripes abo
[00:57] <Fischbek> Im non partisan.
[00:58] <n00b535> I am anti Democrat because whatever they do beleive they don't feel comfort
[00:58] <n00b535> t
[00:59] <n00b535> wow--almost four where I am so goodnight
[01:07] <mercfx> 1 here
[01:07] <mercfx> pussies
[01:07] <Publius> seriously
[01:10] <mercfx> we dont even pay for drugs
[01:11] <Fischbek> who?
[01:14] <mercfx> evolution baby
[01:15] <Fischbek> maybe I don't want de druggess
[01:52] <MissLaVey> wow
[01:52] <MissLaVey> i shoudnt have quit coming in here for a coupe weeks, i miss out on a lot
[01:54] * Hiddekel is now known as _Pickle
[01:58] * _Pickle is now known as Hiddekel
[02:13] <cheater> hi everyone
[02:14] <cheater> how do you feel about the politic stability in northwestern europe?
[02:16] <cheater> hey flamingsp
[02:16] <flamingsp> lol, hi
[02:16] <cheater> how do you feel about the politic stability in northwestern europe?
[02:16] <flamingsp> what do you mean?
[02:17] <cheater> well, do you think the relations between sweden and the satellite countries
[02:17] <MissLaVey> o_O
[02:18] <cheater> MissLaVey what do you think of this subject?
[02:18] <MissLaVey> i don't.
[02:18] <cheater> is there a threat to look forward to?
[02:18] <MissLaVey> i don't think of it at all.
[02:18] <flamingsp> to be honest I wasn't aware of anything brewing, please do elaborate o_O
[02:19] <cheater> well, england and sweden are currently concurring for the remaining oil fie
[02:19] <flamingsp> concurring? o.o
[02:19] <cheater> wrong word perhaps
[02:19] <cheater> competing
[02:19] <MissLaVey> i say give them meat helmets and dull swords and let them duke it out.
[02:19] <cheater> it is unclear whose territory it is in the northwestern part of the baltic
[02:19] <flamingsp> ah, I see
[02:20] <flamingsp> well, diminishing oil supplies will cause tension between any countries t
[02:21] <flamingsp> but it's generally easier for a powerful country such as sweden or englan
[02:21] <cheater> yes, but you must understand, sweden has a big uranium cache
[02:21] <cheater> i say bang
[02:22] <flamingsp> oic o.o are you implying that they have more bargaining power, or that th
[02:22] <cheater> well, obviously the UK has more potential with the US behind its back and w
[02:23] <Fischbek> cheater the federal reserve bank is owned by british citizens
[02:23] <flamingsp> true - but the US is hardly antagonistic towards sweden...
[02:23] <Publius> not in resource competition
[02:23] <Publius> haha
[02:23] <MissLaVey> i doubt the US would side against sweden
[02:23] <cheater> but the UK might not turn to the US for fear that the US would try to put t
[02:23] <Publius> this is over oil resources in the baltic?
[02:23] <cheater> yes Publius
[02:24] <Publius> I would assume the US doesn't care to be involved at all. I expect the UK a
[02:24] <Publius> and..does the US even get any crude from here?
[02:24] <Fischbek> Publius theyll work it out
[02:24] <MissLaVey> BP
[02:24] <cheater> i don't think they'll work it out
[02:24] <Publius> BP crude yah
[02:25] <Publius> LOL shit
[02:25] <cheater> those reserves are hard to tap. some of the deepest oil reserves on earth
[02:25] <Publius> i think georgia(the state)'s BP terminal gets their oil from the north sea/
[02:25] <Publius> hahaha
[02:25] <cheater> which means they won't think about getting them until the very end
[02:25] <Fischbek> Publius US BP crude comes from alaska. BP owns all the alaska oil
[02:25] <cheater> Publius see
[02:26] <cheater> which means the baltic oil reserves will be some of the last ones to exist,
[02:26] <cheater> i think we might be looking at a possible conflict
[02:26] <Publius> cheater it isn't really a big concern. I assume the brits will get BP right
[02:26] <Publius> how much oil is ehre?
[02:26] <Publius> crude*
[02:27] <cheater> enough for some 10 years of continuous exploitation at full speed
[02:27] <Publius> that all depends on production and refinerey
[02:27] <Publius> how much in terms of bbl
[02:27] <Publius> per yer however
[02:27] <Publius> where is norway
[02:27] <Publius> LOLL
[02:28] <Publius> they are the oil tycoon
[02:28] <cheater> i think that's what might anger sweden. you must understand their economy r
[02:28] <Publius> sweden does?
[02:28] <Publius> along wiht norway?
[02:29] <Fischbek> cheater an probably no walmart. plus I hear they don't eat as well as am
[02:29] <Publius> ROFL
[02:29] <cheater> they eat very well
[02:29] <Publius> sweden?
[02:29] <cheater> no starbucks after all
[02:29] <Publius> oil?
[02:29] <Publius> you sure you don't mean...like gas?
[02:30] <cheater> Publius and what's fuel made out of?
[02:30] <cheater> obviously?
[02:30] <cheater> i'm not trying to insult your intelligence here
[02:30] <Publius> I am confused
[02:30] <Fischbek> cheater are u Sweedish?
[02:30] <Publius> hoenstly
[02:30] <cheater> no
[02:30] <cheater> i'm european
[02:31] <Fischbek> I have to sleep
[02:31] <Fischbek> have not slept yet
[02:31] <Fischbek> good note
[02:31] <Fischbek> nite
[02:37] <ravas> morning
[03:05] <Publius> this is pretty neat
[03:05] <Publius> White House Press Release on Hiroshima <-- http://www.atomicarchive.com/
[03:10] * MissLaVey sits on Publius
[03:14] <Agent4x> Wtf yuo r a muthafcuka n shudd suk yur dad's dick! LOLOLOL
[03:17] <MissLaVey> hah wtf
[03:39] <thebarry> http://www.foo.is/ds/FoxTrot-2006.09.13.gif
[03:48] * US_Male is now known as US-Male
[04:03] <goppp> hey
[04:03] <goppp> TheTailor what you think of new nano
[04:03] <goppp> look so sweet
[04:08] <thebarry> that thing looks TINY
[04:10] <thebarry> http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/
[04:21] <goppp> hahahah
[04:21] <goppp> Apple's Showtime event was all well and good, but the big news today was on A
[04:22] <Lupine|> gopp: that was expected, since the intel chipset/socket supports that from
[04:22] <Lupine|> one of the nice benefits of using standard computer hardware now :-)
[04:24] <goppp> Lupine| all the years of bashing apple
[04:25] <goppp> I recall thta was the pcalot rethoic
[04:25] <goppp> and I got to say, the ipod movie store sucks
[04:25] <goppp> I mean it great, but no dvd burning
[04:25] <goppp> I can't seem to find it
[04:25] <Lupine|> no DVD burning? egads
[04:25] <goppp> if it had dvd burning
[04:26] <Lupine|> you can burn CDroms from itunes
[04:26] <goppp> I would get a ipod gift card and purchase a movie
[04:26] <goppp> you can burn dvds
[04:26] <goppp> in itunes
[04:26] <goppp> but mp3 dvds
[04:26] <goppp> not itunes movies store
[04:26] <Lupine|> wonder if you can use your own burning software to burn the files
[04:26] <goppp> or at least I can't see it
[04:27] <goppp> hmm that might be true, use nero or what not
[04:27] <Lupine|> do you know what format the iMovies are in? .mov?
[04:27] <goppp> .mpg
[04:27] <goppp> I think apples don't use .mov any more
[04:28] <goppp> oh shit could be .mov
[04:28] <goppp> I recall on mac os classic it was .mov
[04:28] <goppp> .mov won't play on dvd player
[04:28] <goppp> or nor will nero burn it
[04:28] <goppp> or could it
[04:29] <goppp> wow my computer forensics professor left lot of reading to do
[04:29] <goppp> what is computer forenesics about any how
[04:29] <goppp> I know it a security course
[04:29] <goppp> but is is programing
[04:30] <goppp> I wonder if after gruadte, since I looked at the computer security concertati
[04:30] <goppp> I have lots of the classes
[04:30] <goppp> already
[04:30] <goppp> all I need is about one and half semster worth of courses
[04:30] <goppp> if I could take the rest of the courses and also get a bs in it (network secu
[04:30] <goppp> and have two bs
[04:31] <goppp> all I would need to take is c# course, and some cygorpthy course
[04:32] <goppp> I would love to do research, soon
[04:32] <goppp> for my master
[04:32] <goppp> Lupine| have you heard of a dap, my friend say he moded his dap to support 16
[04:32] <goppp> using open source firmware
[04:33] <goppp> something about ldp
[04:33] <MissLaVey> you talk too much :(
[04:33] <goppp> O and A where funny as hell yesterday
[04:33] <MissLaVey> i know
[04:33] <goppp> that animal shelter
[04:33] <goppp> that old lady was pissed
[04:33] <MissLaVey> i missed the animal shelter thing
[04:33] <goppp> hahaha it was so great
[04:34] <MissLaVey> but i have heard what people were saying about it
[04:34] <MissLaVey> saying she was full of shit or something
[04:34] <goppp> yea saying the animals need food
[04:34] <goppp> no food left
[04:34] <goppp> that bit was hirlious
[04:35] <goppp> do they bleep it on the cbs side
[04:35] <goppp> is it that they have same audio feed, but on one end it bleeps and other it n
[04:35] <MissLaVey> i don't listen to the commercial radio version
[04:35] <goppp> nor do I
[04:35] <goppp> but browwed my xm radio
[04:35] <MissLaVey> they have the same audio feed, yes
[04:35] <goppp> she liked E
[04:36] <goppp> the E c hannel on xm
[04:36] <goppp> I don't understabd why people watch E but she loves it
[04:36] <goppp> and she has a long comute to her job rotation
[04:36] <goppp> and I left by mistake thier one day driving her car
[04:44] <_3Josephs> hmm, Chafee won, Mfume lost
[04:47] * US_Male is now known as US-Male
[05:01] <Herzen> i hope it rains today or something
[05:05] <td-> BAGHDAD, Iraq - Police found the bodies of 65 men who had been tortured, shot a
[05:05] <td-> what is this a sign of
[05:05] <_3Josephs> Dems? ;-)
[05:06] <td-> its just good natured sectarian rivalry
[05:11] <td-> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060912/481/b220c4f90e7245778aa902779a02ea80&g=event
[05:11] <td-> isnt that beautiful
[05:12] <td-> PM of Iraq and Ahmadinejad in a wonderful photo-op
[05:12] <Zorack> freedomz is on teh smarch
[05:13] <td-> its probably not a good sign.. asking Iran for help
[05:14] <td-> why didnt he just ring up Bush and ask for help
[05:15] <Zorack> he decided to try somethign new?
[05:15] <Zorack> but ya, not a good sign
[05:20] <allan5oh> ask bush for help guarding the iranian side of the border?
[05:22] <td-> maybe the iraqi side
[05:22] <td-> instead of having to deal with the evil ahmadinejad
[05:23] <td-> "All our assistance to the Iraqi people will be to establish complete security"
[05:23] <td-> can you believe a guy that wants to NUKE ISRAEL
[05:25] <Katey> td-, I can believe he sees a lot to be gained by being friendly with Iraq
[05:25] <Katey> Iraq is a Shi'ite majority country now
[05:25] <Null_Ptr> yes, they have a lot in common
[05:25] <Katey> well, always was, but now its government reflects it
[05:25] <Null_Ptr> including three out of four letters
[05:25] <td-> but he wants to KILL JEWS
[05:26] <Null_Ptr> he doesn't want to kill them
[05:26] <td-> He doesnt?
[05:26] <Null_Ptr> he just wants to push them into the sea
[05:26] <Null_Ptr> there's a difference
[05:26] <td-> he wants to NUKE JEWS
[05:26] <td-> and is rushing to get a bomb so that he can NUKE THE JEWS
[05:26] <Null_Ptr> td- is not doing a very good job of trolling this morning
[05:26] <Null_Ptr> it's the caps really that spoil the effect
[05:27] <Null_Ptr> and the repetition
[05:27] <Katey> yeah
[05:27] <Null_Ptr> i mean, you have to at least be creative
[05:27] <Katey> subtlety is the key
[05:27] <Null_Ptr> right, less is more
[05:28] <td-> but its true
[05:28] <Zorack> nukeleear the jews
[05:28] <td-> how can you deal with any country that doesnt believe in Israels right to exist
[05:28] <td-> thats horrifying
[05:28] <Null_Ptr> we deal with saudi arabia all the time, and they don't recognize israel's
[05:28] <Null_Ptr> they have oil
[05:29] <Zorack> iran also has oil
[05:29] <td-> WHAT
[05:29] <Zorack> isreal...strangly has no oil
[05:29] <Null_Ptr> plus, it would be nice if everyone recognized israel's "right to exist" wh
[05:29] <Null_Ptr> there's a difference between israel's national interest and the usa's nati
[05:29] <td-> BUT!! Saudi Arabia doesnt want to develop nuclear weapons so that they can dest
[05:30] <td-> Iran does!
[05:30] <td-> or atleast thats what the media says
[05:30] <Zorack> as long as they don
[05:31] <Zorack> don't get the nuclear kind....the nucular kind are ok
[05:31] <Null_Ptr> well saudi arabia is a monarchy, and there are three groups: (1) the leade
[05:32] <Null_Ptr> how do you know saudi arabia doesn't "want to develop" nuclear weapons...
[05:32] <Katey> That's a picture of Iran's president shaking hands with Iraq's president. Ho
[05:32] <td-> http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3303129,00.html read this article!
[05:32] <td-> its so true
[05:32] <Null_Ptr> i do not read random crap pasted on the intarweb
[05:32] <td-> Ahmadinejad is MORE DANGEROUS than HITLER
[05:32] <Agent4x> Wtf yuo r a muthafcuka n shudd suk yur dad's dick! LOLOLOL
[05:32] <td-> Knesset member Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday that Iranian President Mahmoud A
[05:33] <td-> lol
[05:33] <Null_Ptr> thats like saying what's behind "door #3" could be a wormhole to alpha cen
[05:33] <Null_Ptr> who could really say
[05:33] <Null_Ptr> what "could be"
[05:33] <Katey> td-, his argument is pretty weak though.
[05:33] <Null_Ptr> i kinda liked bibi
[05:33] <Zorack> as long as it's a wormhole of mass destruction
[05:33] <Katey> ‘Hitler went out on global campaign first, and then tried to get nuclear weap
[05:33] <Zorack> then its scary
[05:33] <Null_Ptr> it was like government by "vinny"
[05:34] <Null_Ptr> he'd have been a good bill collector
[05:34] <Katey> Where's the indication that Iran is on a 'global campaign'?
[05:34] <Katey> or intends a global campaign
[05:34] <Katey> sorta weak, really
[05:34] <Agent4x> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[05:34] <td-> you mean that Netanyahu is full of typical "come save us america from the big b
[05:35] <Katey> Null_Ptr, I always see him as more of a used car salesman
[05:36] <Null_Ptr> he's got a cool accent too
[05:36] <Agent4x> Wtf yuo r a muthafcuka n shudd suk yur dad's dick! LOLOLOL
[05:36] <Null_Ptr> speaking of which
[05:36] <Null_Ptr> how's the war on terror going
[05:36] * Null_Ptr pulls up the news
[05:36] <Remo1075> someat sorta stinks when youve got one of the biggest oil reserve country'
[05:36] <Null_Ptr> BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Police found the bodies of 65 men who had been tortur
[05:37] <Remo1075> it like giving sand to the saudi's
[05:37] <td-> Sounds like its consuming more iraqi civilian lives than ever
[05:37] <td-> GO WAR ON TERROR!
[05:37] <Null_Ptr> The bodies were bound, bore signs of torture and had been shot, said polic
[05:37] <Zorack> inside every dead iraqi there's an american itching to get out
[05:37] <Null_Ptr> that is what we need in like Baltimore
[05:37] <Null_Ptr> "death squads"
[05:37] <Null_Ptr> clean that place up
[05:38] <td-> the same stuff saddam was accused of is happening now
[05:38] <Null_Ptr> yes but at least we got the bastard
[05:38] <td-> without saddam
[05:38] <Null_Ptr> saddam kept popping his head up like one of those whack-a-mole games, but
[05:38] <Herzen> Netanyahu will be the next Israeli PM
[05:38] <Null_Ptr> yes i think so too herzen, seems nearly inevitable
[05:39] <Null_Ptr> it will be bibi part deaux
[05:39] <Null_Ptr> CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) - Astronauts working to bring to life a new 17 1
[05:39] <Null_Ptr> i hope they take those bolts out of their pay
[05:39] <Null_Ptr> that shit is expensive
[05:39] <Null_Ptr> i'll bet that "bolt" cost more than my car hehe
[05:39] <allan5oh> ahaha kinda makes dropping a bolt on the ground when working on the car pa
[05:40] <_3Josephs> the problem is the "bolt" could easily have ended up in the sarj - which
[05:40] <_3Josephs> (the one today, not the one yesterday)
[05:40] <td-> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerPage.jhtml this is good.. Israelis are
[05:40] <td-> RUDDY GIULIANI gets full marks!
[05:41] <Zorack> giulliani is the anti mel gibson
[05:41] <Null_Ptr> i like rudy
[05:41] <Null_Ptr> because he's a womanizing sob
[05:41] <Null_Ptr> so he won't be such a hypocrit when he gets in higher office, trying to te
[05:42] <Null_Ptr> like newt gingrich did, holding up this high moral standard when he himsel
[05:42] <Zorack> thats never stopped hypocrits from telling someone to live a certain way
[05:42] <Zorack> but ok
[05:42] <Null_Ptr> yes but rudy's stuff is all out in public
[05:42] <Null_Ptr> so he can't hold himself out as being a good person personally
[05:42] <Zorack> if thats whats in public...imagine what's secret
[05:42] <Null_Ptr> he can only appeal to being a good guy to have as a leader
[05:43] <Null_Ptr> yeah, that's why i think he would be fun to have in office, should make CN
[05:44] <Zorack> if someone would kneel down for some patriotic BJing for bush we could be do
[05:45] <Null_Ptr> well
[05:45] <L0c0> Good morning
[05:45] <Null_Ptr> if god forbid another major terrorist strike hits before election day 2008
[05:45] <Null_Ptr> i think we'll elect the president to a 3rd term
[05:45] <td-> the U.S needs to make AIPAC a legislative branch in congress
[05:45] <Null_Ptr> because people want to do the right thing
[05:45] <Null_Ptr> and we need his sense of moral clarity in these trying times
[05:46] <Zorack> 3rd term == buy some coats and go to canada
[05:46] <Null_Ptr> sometimes its hard to decide what to do
[05:46] <Null_Ptr> thats when we call in
[05:46] <L0c0> i'll go to mexico
[05:46] <Null_Ptr> 'The Decider'
[05:46] <L0c0> its warmer and i can live like a king
[05:46] <L0c0> :-D
[05:46] <Zorack> null: hah
[05:46] <Zorack> im the decider and ill decide who gets elected
[05:46] <Zorack> ...can see itnow
[05:46] <Agent4x> o i c i 8 1 2
[05:47] <L0c0> i don't care if its a republican or a democrat, as long as its somebody with t
[05:47] <Zorack> l0c0 is loco
[05:47] <Null_Ptr> bush is everyone's president
[05:47] <L0c0> he (or she) is not the president of the red or blue states. they're the presi
[05:47] <Null_Ptr> its just the liberals dont realize it
[05:47] <Zorack> he speaks for those who can't speak well
[05:47] <Zorack> ;)
[05:48] <Null_Ptr> they dont appreciate him
[05:48] <L0c0> a president has to take EVERYBODY into consideration
[05:48] <Null_Ptr> they misunderestimate him
[05:48] <Null_Ptr> he does take everybody into consideration
[05:48] <Null_Ptr> he is against abortions both of blue state babies and red state babies
[05:48] <L0c0> the best president would be one that doesnt necessarily hold to or tow a party
[05:48] <Zorack> in reality i doubt hes against abortion at all
[05:48] <L0c0> all the time
[05:48] <Null_Ptr> he doesn't tow the party line
[05:49] <Null_Ptr> the party line is to build a wall between us and mexico
[05:49] <L0c0> there has to be compromise in positions...can't say "x or y or get the fuck ou
[05:49] <L0c0> Null: i'm for that!
[05:49] <Null_Ptr> whereas he wants to give them a work program
[05:49] <Null_Ptr> l0c0 well you'd make a good republican then
[05:49] <L0c0> Null: haha...funny b/c i'm often accused of the opposite
[05:50] <L0c0> I live on the US/MEx border (about 3/4 of a mile from the actual river). we'v
[05:51] <Agent4x> Wtf yuo r a muthafcuka n shudd suk yur dad's dick! LOLOLOL
[05:51] <Agent4x> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[05:51] <L0c0> not too long ago my neighbors and I were talking about how they just took down
[05:51] <Null_Ptr> for those who think there's no difference between illegal and legal immigr
[05:52] <Zorack> one crossed an imaginery line with permission, one crossed it without permis
[05:52] <Null_Ptr> you think the border of the united states is imaginary?
[05:52] <L0c0> about 90% of the ppl here put up security bars/doors back in the 80s when the
[05:52] <Zorack> in places where it is not defined by geography
[05:52] <Zorack> all borders are imaginery
[05:52] <Zaw> Null_Ptr: no, if you go to Mexico you can see the line that God drew as a borde
[05:53] <L0c0> this neighborhood had 7 break-ins from the time we moved in to about 1993 or s
[05:53] <L0c0> since then...not a single home invasion, no cars stolen, nada
[05:53] <Null_Ptr> look dumbasses, the border is a line AGREED on by almost everyone, it does
[05:53] <L0c0> hell, the other day i left my weed eater outside over night...i often leave my
[05:54] <Zaw> L0c0: the neighborhood i live in has never had a break-in, and we leave our doo
[05:54] <Null_Ptr> if i left my weedeater outside, nothing would happen all year
[05:54] <Zorack> its still an imaginery agreement
[05:54] <L0c0> 'operation hold the line' put more agents on the border (1 about every mile or
[05:54] <Zorack> its abstract
[05:55] <L0c0> zorack: try crossing south over that imaginary line w/ a fist full of bullets
[05:55] <L0c0> haha
[05:55] <L0c0> hell, with ONE bullet
[05:55] <Zorack> its still an imaginery line
[05:55] <Zorack> the fact that they have to use real bullets prooves it
[05:55] <L0c0> you can use blanks
[05:56] <L0c0> people have been arrested for having blanks in their cars when they go over to
[05:56] <Zorack> theyre not imagineryh blanks
[05:56] <TheTailor> How do you figure borders are imaginery/
[05:56] <TheTailor> ?
[05:56] <L0c0> b/c there's no physical line in the sand
[05:56] <TheTailor> They are accurate locations
[05:56] <L0c0> actualy, if you go along the border here...there's a river to mark the bounder
[05:56] <Null_Ptr> TheTailor it helps that he's an idiot
[05:56] <L0c0> not an imaginary river
[05:57] <L0c0> but an actual real river
[05:57] <Zorack> right
[05:57] <Zorack> geography takes it from imaginery to real
[05:57] <TheTailor> Physical location makes it real.
[05:57] <TheTailor> Ever hear of GPS?
[05:57] <Zorack> no
[05:57] <Zorack> we agreeing that this imaginery line exists makes it real
[05:58] <Zorack> otherwise its just some dirt
[05:58] <TheTailor> How did I know that
[05:58] <Zorack> it's 7:58am...who says so?
[05:58] <Herzen> i says so
[05:58] <TheTailor> They aren't imaginery at all, what an odd notion.
[05:58] <Zaw> for all we know, physical location isn't "real". we can barely grasp the concep
[05:58] <Zorack> tailor, dreaming up an abstract definition does not make something "real"
[05:59] <Null_Ptr> this is why you can't trust praying mantises
[05:59] <CryHavoc> wassup politickers
[05:59] <Null_Ptr> they have a very small brain
[05:59] <TheTailor> Zorack, maybe you aren't real, space within atoms is huge, and all they a
[05:59] <L0c0> ook that guy's on ignore
[05:59] <Zorack> tailor: now youre catching on
[05:59] <L0c0> here's something for you guys: Principal fired over textbook problems: http://
[05:59] <TheTailor> Zorack, maybe we are all holograms
[05:59] <Herzen> I'm real
[05:59] <Herzen> none of you are though
[05:59] * Universe is now known as Rape|
[05:59] <L0c0> i'm always saying that administrators are the big problem in education
[05:59] <Null_Ptr> also there's no c in Zorak
[05:59] <L0c0> there's another example
[06:00] <Zorack> zorak is often taken
[06:00] <td-> WASHINGTON - A senior American commander in
[06:00] <td-> Iraq said Tuesday that U.S.-led military operations are "stifling" the insurgen
[06:00] <Zaw> L0c0: problem for who?
[06:00] <Zorack> time to go beat the sh*t out of brak
[06:00] <td-> not strong enough.. wtf
[06:00] <Herzen> "I think therefore I am" doesn't apply to Zorack
[06:00] <L0c0> this school, Bassett Middle, which is an underperforming school according to t
[06:00] <Null_Ptr> if you were even halfway clever you would have taken like Zoraq not put a
[06:00] <CryHavoc> the second part does
[06:00] <L0c0> even though school started over a month ago
[06:00] <TheTailor> td-, the general cleared that up yesterday after the press twisted his wo
[06:00] <L0c0> why? they say b/c they didnt' have a book clerk
[06:00] <L0c0> piss poor excuse
[06:01] <TheTailor> td-, so you can choose another troll line now.
[06:01] <CryHavoc> L0c0 they are the education Professionals...they know best L:P
[06:01] <L0c0> b/c they didn't have somebody to keep a log book, that's why they didn't hand
[06:01] <L0c0> that's when a principal takes charge and does the job himself
[06:01] <L0c0> CryHavoc: psh haha
[06:01] <CryHavoc> they need to hire someone for 13/Hour
[06:01] <CryHavoc> Professional Log Book keeper
[06:01] <L0c0> so they say...
[06:02] <CryHavoc> its EDU Land....
[06:02] <CryHavoc> so they prob have a degree in it too
[06:02] <Zaw> L0c0: they sound like perfect administrators for a government school
[06:03] <CryHavoc> only in EDU do they have college courses on things you are expected to kno
[06:03] <L0c0> not to say that there aren't bad teachers ou tthere, but the teachers are the
[06:04] <CryHavoc> they need audits of the school systems...
[06:04] <L0c0> administrators are a bigger problem, parents are a bigger problem and the stud
[06:04] <CryHavoc> then remove the waste
[06:04] <L0c0> oh, you guys hear about this thing about how to teach math now?
[06:04] * LSMan is now known as LSMan|BNC
[06:04] <CryHavoc> for every Admin they fire... you can hire 2-3 teachers
[06:04] <CryHavoc> how do they teach math?
[06:05] <CryHavoc> the modern way?
[06:05] <L0c0> the same group from ?Brookings? I think that said about 15yrs ago that schools
[06:05] <L0c0> are now saying schools should go back to "old maht"
[06:05] <L0c0> basically teach math the way we learned it (oh so many decades ago haha)
[06:05] <CryHavoc> Johnny has 8 crack vials...if his drug runners get busted with 3 and his h
[06:05] <inco> yea well they used this generation of kids as guinea pigs to see if calculator
[06:06] <L0c0> here you go: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003256327_mat
[06:06] <inco> er learning
[06:06] <DeDannan> L0c0, and learn useful skills like long division? :)
[06:06] <CryHavoc> Calvulators make kids lazy
[06:06] <L0c0> Mathematics teaching in kindergarten through the eighth grade needs to stress
[06:06] <inco> yea they do crookeds
[06:06] <inco> er CryHavoc
[06:06] <CryHavoc> DD...that is useful
[06:06] <L0c0> DeDannan: well, long division starts w/ simple concepts like multiplication
[06:06] <CryHavoc> yep
[06:06] <DeDannan> CryHavoc, funny...haven't found a use for it since 5th grade
[06:06] <L0c0> and kids don't get that shit anymore
[06:06] <CryHavoc> said concepts learned through repetition
[06:07] <CryHavoc> DD..I still use it
[06:07] <inco> dont worry the fat consumers are almost ready why do they need math?
[06:07] <TheTailor> I really never knew what "new" math was anyway
[06:07] <TheTailor> They taught my kid the same thing they taught me
[06:08] <CryHavoc> ok...off to more EDU land bullshit...I do not expect anything from this in
[06:08] <td-> so i guess we'll see him on irc 24/7 soon then
[06:08] <CryHavoc> laterz
[06:08] <L0c0> new man was focused more on use of calculators, word problem solving, applying
[06:09] <L0c0> man = math
[06:09] <Zaw> "Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll under
[06:09] <L0c0> i get kids, 7th and 8th graders, that can't do basic multiplication
[06:09] <L0c0> some have trouble with addition/subtraction
[06:09] <L0c0> but then the problem of lazy students also plays into that...kids that don't w
[06:10] <L0c0> The council's advice is striking because in 1989 it touched off the so-called
[06:10] <td-> lol calculators in kindergarten
[06:11] <L0c0> SO guess what...all the workshops and shit math teachers go to now...next year
[06:11] <td-> they need to start calculus in grade 2
[06:12] <Publius> such peaceful rain
[06:12] <DeDannan> well gee...if you just teach kids the same way year after year...how are t
[06:14] <td-> selling jihad textbooks to afghani schools is pretty profitable i hear
[06:14] <TheTailor> Who came up with the brilliant idea that all kids would have calculators
[06:14] <][Hook][> TheTailor: we were told specifically which TI to buy this year =]
[06:14] <TheTailor> I have $10, I need gas at 2.50 a gallon, how many gallons can I buy?
[06:15] <TheTailor> The kid is going to have a calculator to figure that out, in his pocket?
[06:15] <][Hook][> "Your child will need a TI-xx calculator, these will cost around $120..."
[06:15] <DeDannan> you gots 20 dollah how many nickel bag of crack can you git?
[06:15] <td-> they'll know the answer to that
[06:16] <TheTailor> Maybe not, they don't have a calculator with 'em
[06:16] <][Hook][> my son can do math in his head faster than I can on paper, so I'm not worr
[06:16] <][Hook][> he's a freak that way
[06:16] <DeDannan> dont matter homey..just shoot the motherfucker and take all his shit
[06:16] <Zaw> ][Hook][: wow, you must be really dumb
[06:17] <L0c0> no
[06:17] <cyberfrg> zaw: wow, you must be a complete asshole
[06:17] <][Hook][> hahaha
[06:17] <L0c0> TheTailor: no, the kid's gonna had the clerk $10 and say "fill it up"
[06:17] <][Hook][> *zing*
[06:17] <L0c0> and let the machine do the work for him
[06:17] <DeDannan> nyuk nyuk nyuk
[06:17] <TheTailor> ][Hook][, my Dad was like that, what's 8766 times 543? Answers instantly
[06:17] <td-> JUST PUMP TILL IT SAYS 10.00$
[06:17] <TheTailor> Maybe he was lying
[06:17] <TheTailor> heh
[06:17] <L0c0> td-: exactly
[06:18] <TheTailor> td-, you moron, the dollar sign goes in FRONT of the number.
[06:18] <][Hook][> Zaw: it's how I was educated to solve polynomials... call it dumb if you w
[06:18] * TheTailor bops td- with a nerf sledgehammer
[06:18] <L0c0> but division, etc all starts w/ your ability to add, subtract and multiply
[06:18] <L0c0> everything you do in math starts w/ those basic concepts
[06:18] <][Hook][> I'm not talking simple arithmetic
[06:18] <L0c0> shit, w/ mulitplication, you only have to know: 0 through 9
[06:18] <L0c0> everything else breaks down to numbers within 0-9
[06:19] <cyberfrg> everybody hurts, sometime
[06:19] <L0c0> but yeah, the principal at that school is retarded :-D
[06:20] <][Hook][> sometimes everything is wrong
[06:20] <L0c0> "OH we couldn't hand out books b/c we didn't have a book clerk"
[06:20] <L0c0> you fucking idiot, you're a principal, YOU do it dickweed
[06:20] <L0c0> i should write that exact line to the paper's opinion page
[06:20] <L0c0> haha
[06:20] <][Hook][> L0c0: but... but... he didn't take the district book dispensing course!
[06:20] <_3Josephs> union rules don't permit it
[06:20] <td-> kids dont need books
[06:20] <cyberfrg> when i was inschool i was required to use a calculator for everything. th
[06:20] <DeDannan> L0c0, that's why he became a principal :)
[06:20] <][Hook][> he's not qualified for textbook accounting!
[06:20] <DeDannan> he/she
[06:20] <Null_Ptr> yawn
[06:21] <][Hook][> who will keep track?!?!
[06:21] <td-> Kids shouldnt even be educated, it fucks with capitalism
[06:21] <][Hook][> I couldn't use a calc until I got to calc
[06:21] <][Hook][> even then it was limited use
[06:21] <Null_Ptr> no
[06:21] <Null_Ptr> we need to find a way to convert the poor directly into energy
[06:21] <Null_Ptr> to fuel our SUVs
[06:21] <L0c0> DeDannan: hehe
[06:21] <DeDannan> my kids school doesn't allow calculators, period
[06:22] <L0c0> the principal at the school i work at most of the time often doesn't come in '
[06:22] <L0c0> class starts at 845
[06:22] <Zaw> shocking!
[06:22] <td-> he comes in drunk as fuck
[06:22] <cyberfrg> DeDannan: and i bet they're great at math or atleast decent ... what idiot
[06:22] <L0c0> I remmeber growing up Ms. Henry then Mr. Ladner at the entrance to the school
[06:22] <L0c0> and amazingly they knew almost every kid by name
[06:23] <td-> the principal knew my name!
[06:23] <td-> i was in the office every day
[06:23] <L0c0> principals knew my parents
[06:23] <L0c0> haha
[06:23] <cyberfrg> the prinicpal knew my entire family
[06:23] <cyberfrg> lol
[06:23] <cyberfrg> 3 brothers, same school, all bad
[06:23] <DeDannan> cyberfr0g, yep..if the 8th graders get at least a "B" in math..they get to
[06:23] <L0c0> older sister, grade a student
[06:23] <DeDannan> course its a catholic school :)
[06:23] <L0c0> then here comes Dave...slacker boy
[06:23] <L0c0> haha
[06:23] <cyberfrg> lol
[06:24] <cyberfrg> i loved being an ass
[06:24] <cyberfrg> and a class clown
[06:24] <DeDannan> an ass clown?
[06:24] <L0c0> DeDannan: they do have Pre-AP classes in middle schools now though...but the w
[06:24] <][Hook][> DeDannan: yeah, they did the same to my son... except he just took the fre
[06:24] <cyberfrg> yea, that's exactly what i said
[06:24] <][Hook][> my son is doing IB instead of AP
[06:24] <][Hook][> seems a bit harder
[06:25] <L0c0> DeDannan: but this math thing is why schools like UTEP and community colleges
[06:25] <DeDannan> this schools regular classwork is tough enough for most kids
[06:25] <][Hook][> remedial anything sucks ass... how boring must that be?
[06:25] <L0c0> the more kids in pre-ap/ap/advanced classes they have, the more $ the school g
[06:25] <DeDannan> L0c0, sure..hell they had remedial classes when I was in college nearly 30
[06:26] <DeDannan> I tutored english, history, geography...
[06:26] <L0c0> same reason why principals don't like to deal w/ problem kids...when a school
[06:26] <L0c0> nobody wants taht
[06:26] <DeDannan> and was amazed at how busy I stayed
[06:26] <L0c0> DeDannan: i've seen the ones at UTEP...they're doing basic stuff that they sho
[06:27] <L0c0> the university apparently wants to do away with them and just increase its min
[06:27] <L0c0> they'll take a hit in enrollment, but apparently many profs are pissed about h
[06:27] <][Hook][> UT, A&M have increased theirs again
[06:27] <DeDannan> L0c0, I dont think universities should be in the remedial ed biz...
[06:27] <L0c0> i agree
[06:27] <DeDannan> community colleges, maybe...not uni's
[06:27] <L0c0> just encourages kids to do the minimum
[06:27] <][Hook][> hell most state colleges are overcrowded as it is
[06:28] <][Hook][> shouldn't have to let dumbasses take up seats
[06:28] <][Hook][> =P
[06:28] <][Hook][> community college is so much cheaper anyway
[06:29] <MissLaVey> anyone know anything about transferring ownership of a domain?
[06:30] <DeDannan> here's a sample of my kids geography test..yes they still teach geography,
[06:30] <DeDannan> name the 5 Great Lakes
[06:30] <DeDannan> which state has the longest coastline
[06:30] <DeDannan> name the longest river in the US
[06:30] <DeDannan> where is Pike's Peak
[06:31] <DeDannan> what are the highest and lowest elevations in the US..where are they
[06:31] <Null_Ptr> DeDannan that's a trick question, there is no way to measure the length of
[06:31] <DeDannan> and this is 4th grade
[06:31] <][Hook][> DeDannan: my son is in "World Geography" in 9th grade
[06:31] <][Hook][> but that wasn't offered when I was in school
[06:32] <Publius> Hook I took that in 9th grade as well)i grad in 2004)
[06:32] <][Hook][> but he's in a different type of school
[06:32] <Katey> Looks like my daughter's 5th grade will be focusing on a lot of geography thi
[06:32] <][Hook][> it's public funded, but you have to be accepted into the school
[06:32] <Publius> Hook he is in IB, I did gifted and AP
[06:32] <Publius> magnet?
[06:32] <][Hook][> charter
[06:32] <Publius> what state
[06:32] <Null_Ptr> katey are you teaching her which ones are the red states and which are the
[06:32] <][Hook][> Texas
[06:32] <Publius> lol
[06:32] <Katey> Null_Ptr, that's for next semester
[06:32] <Katey> :P
[06:32] <Null_Ptr> o
[06:32] <Publius> Armon
[06:33] <Publius> Hook do you know what his history/social studies classes will be the next 3
[06:34] <Herzen> I took some really interesting geography classes in undergrad
[06:34] <][Hook][> Publius: not offhand, no
[06:35] <Publius> my freshman geography teacher(sr AP psych teacher as well...as replacement
[06:35] <Publius> haha
[06:36] <Publius> geography class is cool...only because of the review game before the test.
[06:36] <Publius> hehe
[06:36] <Herzen> Publius played review jeopardy in his geography class
[06:37] <cyberfrg> i love review jeopardy
[06:37] <Publius> jeopardy AND map games
[06:37] <Publius> 1 day would be the map review
[06:37] <Publius> then that shorter quiz
[06:37] <cyberfrg> man, i miss being a kid
[06:37] <cyberfrg> being an adult sucks ass
[06:37] <Publius> and then the big jeopardy(every student for themselves) before the test
[06:38] <Publius> extra credit involved in both, of course
[06:38] <Publius> which made up for...2 or 3 assignments not done for that unit....
[06:38] <Publius> hehe
[06:39] <][Hook][> Publius: I think this year he is in World Geography and World Culture Stud
[06:39] <][Hook][> IIRC
[06:39] <cyberfrg> we used to do speed math too a long long time ago... student would stand n
[06:39] <][Hook][> and he's in Spanish III as a freshman
[06:39] <][Hook][> heh
[06:39] <Null_Ptr> what is review jeapardy
[06:39] <Publius> Hook yeah, it was called world geography
[06:39] <][Hook][> se habla!
[06:39] <Publius> but culture goes with it
[06:39] <goppp> this is scary
[06:39] <goppp> State lawmaker Keith Ellison didn't let questions about his past slow down hi
[06:40] <rond> I love being an adult, kids only get to do stupid silly things
[06:40] <Publius> Null a whole class period where the teacher were go around the room asking
[06:40] <Publius> asked the same question until someone answered it
[06:40] <goppp> voters responded to his liberal message calling for peace, withdrawal of U.S.
[06:40] <Publius> and rounds(god it has been 6 years now
[06:40] <Publius> wow
[06:40] <rond> kids can't dream about playing on the best golf course around (unless daddy ta
[06:40] <CometBaby> rond, when you get to be an adult, you can do expensive silly things :)
[06:40] <Publius> lol
[06:40] <rond> Binog
[06:40] <rond> bingo
[06:41] <goppp> CometBaby hehehe
[06:41] <Null_Ptr> CometBaby yes, you can even grow up to be president and invade other count
[06:41] <Publius> ^5
[06:41] <goppp> CometBaby did you hear about this
[06:41] <rond> can't dream about hanging out at a ski resort with their beautiful week with t
[06:41] <goppp> Null_Ptr invade is the wrong word
[06:41] <rond> (beautiful wife)
[06:41] <goppp> bush never invaded
[06:41] <Null_Ptr> goppp who said i was talking about bush? it was a hypothetical :)
[06:41] <rond> being a kid sucks
[06:41] <Herzen> My class we'd have an oral quiz on all the different Heroes of the Soviet Un
[06:42] <Herzen> and if you got the most answers right you'd be the "Hero of the Class" for t
[06:42] <Herzen> That was grade about 5 in western terms
[06:42] <rond> I am Hero !!! I am guy
[06:42] <CometBaby> _Null_Ptr or become a serial liar and cheat who accepts envelopes filled
[06:42] <goppp> check this out CometBaby The 17-year-old Lincoln Park resident put the shirt
[06:42] <rond> I am a hero !!! I am guy !!!
[06:42] <Null_Ptr> CometBaby don't forget spooging on his interns
[06:42] <goppp> Ben Lewandowski says he was only trying to be patriotic when he wore a homema
[06:42] <goppp> so ban patriotic tshirts
[06:43] <CometBaby> or using his daughter
[06:43] <goppp> yes they are so offensive
[06:43] <goppp> CometBaby how did he use his daugther, wow didn't know this
[06:43] <cheater> hey guys
[06:43] <cheater> what do you think of the swedish issue?
[06:43] <DeDannan> goppp, what was the schools dress code?
[06:43] <goppp> NO written message on tshirt
[06:43] <goppp> but this goes to far
[06:43] <Null_Ptr> umm
[06:43] <goppp> as supending a student for a pro america tshirt
[06:43] <Null_Ptr> that sounds like a "message" to me
[06:44] <DeDannan> so he violated the schools dress code...
[06:44] <cheater> anyone?
[06:44] <Null_Ptr> you think there's something special about "remember 9/11" that isn't a "me
[06:44] <goppp> think flies are liberals too. I saw a lot of flies around a damn hippy, must
[06:44] <goppp> I
[06:44] <CometBaby> gopp I guess you don't remember the pictures on the white house lawn, aft
[06:44] <goppp> well it had a american flag, and the school banned him from school for three
[06:44] <Herzen> goppp, link to the t-shirt story
[06:44] <goppp> CometBaby oh
[06:44] <goppp> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060913/NEWS02/609130320
[06:44] <DeDannan> sort of a non-story if you ask me...
[06:45] <L0c0> Goppp: well, if you're goona apply the rule, it needs to apply equality, wheth
[06:45] <][Hook][> Publius: and his school has 1.5hr courses
[06:45] <goppp> DeDannan why is it non story
[06:45] <goppp> L0c0 come on, it should be defined clearly
[06:45] <][Hook][> Publius: so he alternates subjects every other day, and the classes are mu
[06:45] <][Hook][> more like college
[06:45] <goppp> NO offensive words, none
[06:45] <L0c0> the suspension was harsh
[06:45] <L0c0> should have just made him turn it inside out
[06:45] <goppp> but how is pro american, view offensive in a american high school
[06:45] <cyberfrg> we wouldn't want to offend anyone so all messages are banned
[06:45] <cyberfrg> what kind of bullshit is that
[06:45] <DeDannan> goppp, pretty clear...if the code is no words on t shirts...its no words o
[06:45] <goppp> cyberfr0g offend who
[06:46] <goppp> if it pro american, who will he offend in an american high school
[06:46] <CometBaby> hahaha
[06:46] <CometBaby> NEW YORK (Reuters) - Greenstone Media, a radio company whose founders inc
[06:46] <L0c0> According to the dress code, students are allowed to wear school-sanctioned cl
[06:46] <cyberfrg> goppp: terrorists who hate america would be offended
[06:46] <goppp> DeDannan come on, send some one home for a pro american view
[06:46] <L0c0> but its ok, the ACLU's coming to this kid's rescue
[06:46] <L0c0> ahha
[06:46] <Publius> Hook ooooh bloc schedule
[06:46] <CometBaby> correction All LIBERAL women network
[06:46] <L0c0> stupid aclu
[06:46] <cyberfrg> goppp: this is america, we have to be politically correct
[06:46] <][Hook][> zero-tolerance policies are asinine
[06:46] <goppp> cyberfr0g do terrorists go to school in america
[06:46] <cyberfrg> goppp: absolutly
[06:46] <Publius> Hook that is better for college preparation, IMO
[06:46] <goppp> [09:46] <goppp> cyberfr0g do terrorists go to school in america [09:46]
[06:46] <Null_Ptr> how come sliced cheese doesnt come with individual plastic wrappers anymor
[06:46] <goppp> oh men
[06:46] <goppp> I am home schooling my kids
[06:47] <Null_Ptr> they are trying to cheat me
[06:47] <L0c0> Goppp: that's the dress code for most of the middle schools here. kids are on
[06:47] <L0c0> or school colors
[06:47] <L0c0> no writing/pictures/etc of any kind
[06:47] <goppp> L0c0 is that a uniform
[06:47] <cyberfrg> goppp: you really think that future terrorists arn't americans and arn't g
[06:47] <L0c0> unless its school related (for a club or organization)
[06:47] <L0c0> yup
[06:47] <cyberfrg> goppp: columbine? it's terrorism
[06:47] <goppp> cyberfr0g it won't surpise me
[06:47] <DeDannan> my kid wears a uniform to school
[06:47] <goppp> but if they get offended so be it
[06:47] <goppp> grow up
[06:47] <goppp> being offended about being pro american
[06:47] <CometBaby> democrat ..
[06:47] <CometBaby> MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- State lawmaker Keith Ellison didn't let questions ab
[06:47] <L0c0> Goppp: but the reason why to not allow ANY shirts w/ writing is b/c people wil
[06:47] <compdoc> cyberfrg, should we just kill em all now?
[06:47] <goppp> is a baby issue
[06:48] <cyberfrg> compdoc: nah, let them fester ... we'll fight them when they snap
[06:48] <goppp> L0c0 pro american tshirt, != offensive
[06:48] <goppp> L0c0 and why do they have such laws in your area
[06:48] <L0c0> Gopp: allow this kid to wear a flag shirt, another kid's gonna wanna wear a me
[06:48] <L0c0> etc
[06:48] <compdoc> we need to do that with Iran
[06:48] <goppp> NO allow kids to wear an american flag
[06:48] <goppp> as we are in america
[06:48] <goppp> not mexico
[06:48] <goppp> damn illegals
[06:48] <Null_Ptr> goppp what about "i'm proud to be an american" with "and not no greasy mex
[06:48] <cyberfrg> goppp: what if it said "america sucks", you would probably consider that o
[06:48] <][Hook][> hahaha
[06:49] <L0c0> goppp: the article didn't say it the kid was reprimanded b/c the shirt was off
[06:49] <][Hook][> you don't want VIVA LA RAZA shirts do you?
[06:49] <goppp> yes, the kids was sent home
[06:49] <L0c0> Goppp: it was b/c having a shirt (any shirt) with writing onit violated this s
[06:49] <][Hook][> in most of our public schools they have uniforms now
[06:49] <L0c0> but the punishment was too much
[06:49] <goppp> L0c0 wellt he school need to use common sense
[06:49] <cyberfrg> mmmm sheep
[06:49] <][Hook][> there are some exceptions tho
[06:49] <DeDannan> sheeple!
[06:49] <L0c0> they could have given him a school shirt to wear over it
[06:49] <goppp> L0c0 the school are like prison, for consertive
[06:49] <L0c0> or had him turn it inside out
[06:49] <goppp> no consertive view at all
[06:49] <cyberfrg> yes, raise the sheep... the sheep will not question, the sheep will not re
[06:49] <][Hook][> goppp: that's not so true here in TX
[06:50] <L0c0> Goppp: they weren't attacking his views
[06:50] <goppp> in a soclist country all kids have those uniforms
[06:50] <goppp> like in cuba
[06:50] <L0c0> Goppp: i'm sure they deal w/ kids that wear shirts w/ writing often
[06:50] <][Hook][> uniforms aren't a bad thing goppp
[06:50] <L0c0> b/c there's always kids that think that "well its ok for me to wear one"
[06:50] <Null_Ptr> in socialist countries they all breathe this stuff they call air also
[06:50] <goppp> ][Hook][ no socilist uniforms are
[06:50] <Null_Ptr> i am refusing to breathe it from now on
[06:50] <Null_Ptr> it's unamerican
[06:50] <CometBaby> gopp .. there are other ways to show you are patriotic that will not be a
[06:50] <L0c0> Hook: no, they're not...and cheaper
[06:50] <cyberfrg> "you know, hitler made the jews wear peices of flair"
[06:50] <goppp> Null_Ptr yes, and biolgicall reason
[06:50] <goppp> not socilist
[06:50] <goppp> a tshirt is not a biological issue
[06:51] <L0c0> but then you have the whiney ultra-libs crying about "my kid can't express him
[06:51] <L0c0> then they get the ACLU involved
[06:51] <L0c0> and it turns into a lot more than it should
[06:51] <][Hook][> L0c0: yep... and you don't have to spend much time on dress code when ever
[06:51] <goppp> yea
[06:51] <CometBaby> if you go to school there .. and you agree to abide by the dress code ..
[06:51] <goppp> ][Hook][ but you got to use common sense
[06:51] <DeDannan> L0c0 isnt the ACLU butting in on this one too? :)
[06:52] <][Hook][> khaki pants, golf of polo shirts
[06:52] <goppp> CometBaby sure, but it ment for t shirts that have offensive stuff
[06:52] <goppp> like sexual content
[06:52] <L0c0> Hook: kids hate it, but they're not buying the clothes. parents here like it.
[06:52] <goppp> or drugs
[06:52] <CometBaby> gopp .. it said tshirts with writing on them.
[06:52] <L0c0> DeDannan: yup
[06:52] <Publius> pffft
[06:52] * Publius aint that easy
[06:52] <goppp> CometBaby yes, but they put that law for a reason
[06:52] <DeDannan> L0c0, dam whiney liberals :)
[06:52] <Publius> I wanna wear what I want, I'm a high schooler.
[06:52] <Publius> hehe
[06:52] <L0c0> This, according to the ACLU of Michigan, may violate the students' rights, par
[06:52] <goppp> CometBaby it liberal who are not tollerent of pro american views
[06:52] <Publius> Bring on the dress code
[06:52] <Publius> but fuck uniforms ;)
[06:52] <goppp> CometBaby and it bs, cuase the schools allows school names
[06:52] <CometBaby> goppp of course .. you cannot wear a tshirt there that says Assassinate B
[06:52] <goppp> on tshirt
[06:52] <L0c0> forms of expression
[06:52] <][Hook][> actually I don't know of any High Schools here that have uniforms... only
[06:52] <L0c0> these are idiot kids
[06:53] <goppp> CometBaby but you can wear a tshirt with school mascot
[06:53] <][Hook][> at least in Houston
[06:53] <Publius> Hook yah lo
[06:53] <goppp> that could be offensive
[06:53] <L0c0> you know how they wanna express themselves? by wearing shorts that say "CUTIE
[06:53] <goppp> to some
[06:53] <CometBaby> gopp they specifically allowed that
[06:53] <goppp> the school needs to grow up
[06:53] <CometBaby> and banned EVERYTHING ELSE
[06:53] <][Hook][> most private schools have uniforms...
[06:53] <L0c0> shirts that say "MILF IN TRAINING"
[06:53] <goppp> CometBaby and they should speciafically allow
[06:53] <cyberfrg> L0c0: aka "please, have sex with me ... i'm begging for it"
[06:53] <CometBaby> personally I think it is a good idea
[06:53] <goppp> american falgs
[06:53] <goppp> banning the american flag on a tshirt
[06:53] <CometBaby> and those kids could have expressed their patriotism in OTHER ways
[06:53] <goppp> in america
[06:53] <][Hook][> we looked into private school for my son, but the cheapest one we found wa
[06:53] <L0c0> Cyberfrg: which is why schools issue blanket bans like this
[06:53] <goppp> CometBaby yes, how
[06:53] <goppp> tell me
[06:53] <][Hook][> the most expensive was 18K a year
[06:53] <][Hook][> what a fucking travesty
[06:53] <L0c0> if you make an exception for one kid, you have to make an exception for all ki
[06:53] <CometBaby> wear a red/white/blue tshirt
[06:54] <goppp> ][Hook][ I know of one private school in nj that is 23k or higher
[06:54] <CometBaby> with a flag on it
[06:54] <][Hook][> that's more than most state colleges
[06:54] <CometBaby> and no writing
[06:54] <goppp> my cousin wanted to go thier
[06:54] <][Hook][> and it's not that we couldn't have done it... it just seemed excessive
[06:54] <goppp> CometBaby true, but it must be a all solid colour shirt
[06:54] <CometBaby> they are not banning wearing the american flag on a tshirt as you suggest
[06:54] <CometBaby> that is false
[06:54] <Herzen> i think dress code is pretty good idea
[06:54] <goppp> and some school ban blue
[06:54] <goppp> or red shirts
[06:54] <goppp> becuase of gangs
[06:54] <CometBaby> they said tshirts with WRITING on them
[06:54] <L0c0> Cometbaby: or pin a sign/flag to your backpack...there's NOTHING they can do a
[06:54] <L0c0> it still shows it off
[06:54] <L0c0> people see it in the halls
[06:54] <goppp> CometBaby and the shirt had an american flag last week
[06:54] <goppp> was banned
[06:54] <Null_Ptr> CometBaby or a picture of any kind
[06:55] <goppp> a girl who had an american flag on her shirt was banned
[06:55] <CometBaby> gopp it had WRITING on it
[06:55] <goppp> Null_Ptr correct
[06:55] <][Hook][> L0c0: unless it is speficically prohibited in the dress code
[06:55] <goppp> even pictures are banned
[06:55] <CometBaby> it was the WRITING that got it banned
[06:55] <CometBaby> not the flag
[06:55] <L0c0> Hook: yeah
[06:55] <goppp> CometBaby read the article
[06:55] <Null_Ptr> writing or a picture is forbidden
[06:55] <goppp> it say pictures
[06:55] <goppp> Null_Ptr ys
[06:55] <][Hook][> L0c0: but yea... my son's bag has all sorts of crap ironed on =]
[06:55] <Null_Ptr> both are banned
[06:55] <CometBaby> hmmm
[06:55] <goppp> CometBaby writing or a picture is forbidden
[06:55] <L0c0> Hook: usually most dress codes pay no attention to backpacks. the kids at my
[06:55] <goppp> that how tollerent the left union teachers are
[06:55] <CometBaby> this is what I saw
[06:55] <CometBaby> "We didn't think it would be appropriate, because of the dress code, to w
[06:55] <][Hook][> L0c0: and my son has major Jesus hair
[06:55] <DeDannan> what a wonderful lesson this teaches our kids..."if you dont like to abide
[06:55] <][Hook][> hehehe
[06:55] <][Hook][> it's long as all hell
[06:56] <][Hook][> like down the middle of his back
[06:56] <TheTailor> goppp, if that's what's forbidden, that's what's forbidden, abide by the
[06:56] <L0c0> yeah, kids at mine have band patches, gay pride patches, sports team patches,
[06:56] <DeDannan> raising a whole new generation of perpetual litigators...
[06:56] <L0c0> yup
[06:57] <OcDoc> TheTailor: how many private schools are there in your area?
[06:57] <goppp> CometBaby when he wore a homemade T-shirt featuring an American flag bumper s
[06:57] <goppp> TheTailor that antiamerican
[06:57] <goppp> supending a kid for a pro american thshirt
[06:57] <][Hook][> goppp: not at all
[06:57] <Herzen> http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/06.09.12.Tunnelvis-X.gif
[06:57] <L0c0> it wasn't b/c it was a pro american shirt
[06:57] <goppp> at least tell him to turn it back words
[06:57] <L0c0> get over that point
[06:57] <DeDannan> my kid goes to a private school..said school requires a uniform..guess wha
[06:57] <][Hook][> goppp: it's against the dress code
[06:58] <L0c0> it was b/c it was a shirt that violated school rules
[06:58] <Publius> rofl
[06:58] <CometBaby> well, I'm sorry goppp .. but those are the rules of the school. They sim
[06:58] <Publius> Bush is holding a white house talk on Borat
[06:58] <L0c0> if it had been a shirt with the mexican flag, the same woudl have happened
[06:58] <Publius> and his movie
[06:58] <L0c0> Publius: no shit?!
[06:58] <][Hook][> goppp: doesn't matter if it said "God Bless America" or "Down With Chavez"
[06:58] <Publius> http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23366654-details/Bush+to+hold+ta
[06:58] <goppp> CometBaby true said point is valid, but even a american flag could send a kid
[06:58] <Publius> L0c0 the kazhaks are PISSED
[06:58] <][Hook][> goppp: the shirt was prohibited by the rules
[06:58] <L0c0> lol
[06:58] <Publius> so Bush decided to step in
[06:58] <Publius> ROFLMAO
[06:58] <CometBaby> goppp .. it is against the rules.
[06:58] <L0c0> oh man great picture
[06:58] <L0c0> lol
[06:58] <goppp> ][Hook][ well the aclu thinks it has a valid argument to allow the tshirt
[06:58] <CometBaby> you don't like the rules? Change them or go somewhere else.
[06:59] <OcDoc> is this a new religion in america? "the rules" ... as in "I worship the rules
[06:59] <goppp> well allow school tags on tshirts but not flags
[06:59] <L0c0> The opening scene, which shows Borat lustily kissing his sister goodbye and se
[06:59] <L0c0> lol
[06:59] <goppp> I got class
[06:59] <goppp> bbl
[06:59] <OcDoc> "it's the rules ... love it or leave it"
[06:59] <goppp> lab c++ data structre
[06:59] <CometBaby> but keep this in mind goppp .. you cannot open that door just a crack. J
[06:59] <][Hook][> goppp: are we going to end up bothering the fucking SCOTUS with crap as pe
[06:59] <][Hook][> goppp: that is idiotirc
[06:59] <OcDoc> somebody somewhere made some rules ... bow down everyone
[06:59] <][Hook][> idiotic too
[06:59] <goppp> CometBaby good point
[07:00] <goppp> CometBaby true that so true
[07:00] <Null_Ptr> what if a kid wants to wear a patriotic t-shirt that's patriotic about his
[07:00] <goppp> but the school law should state only american flags allowed
[07:00] <CometBaby> so in order to avoid all of it .. they made a rule allowing NONE of it.
[07:00] <CometBaby> too bad those kids couldn't see that too.
[07:00] <goppp> and CometBaby some school logos have american flags
[07:00] <L0c0> "Since the 2003 Tuleyakiv reforms, Kazakhstan is as civilized as any other cou
[07:00] <L0c0> "Women can now travel on inside of bus, homosexuals no longer have to wear blu
[07:00] <L0c0> lol
[07:00] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, hey SCOTUS doesnt get paid by the hour you know :)
[07:00] <L0c0> too funny
[07:01] <CometBaby> everybody wants their own way
[07:01] <CometBaby> and to get it .. they are shooting themselves in the foot.
[07:01] <CometBaby> once they get that rule removed .. you are going to see the most hateful,
[07:01] <DeDannan> how old was this kid anyway?
[07:01] <OcDoc> private schools can barely compete with the public school monopoly, and they'
[07:01] <Zaw> CometBaby: free speech is ugly.
[07:01] <Publius> "The bottom line is we want people to know that he does not represent the t
[07:01] <Publius> LOLOL
[07:02] <OcDoc> people can rarely afford to pay school taxes AND private tuition
[07:02] <DeDannan> private schools here are growing
[07:02] <L0c0> Publius: makes me wanna see the movie that much more
[07:02] <CometBaby> OcDoc it is a question of priorities.
[07:02] <Publius> In the video, Borat said, "In response to Mr. Ashykbayev's comments, I'd li
[07:02] <OcDoc> CometBaby: whose priorities?
[07:02] <L0c0> Cohan is funny
[07:02] <CometBaby> if you want the big house, two cars, lots of expensive clothes .. then yo
[07:02] <Publius> he's fucking hilarious
[07:02] <Publius> hehe
[07:02] <L0c0> AliG did an interview w/ Pat Buchanan and he called him Pat Boom Canon
[07:02] <L0c0> it was great, Pat was loving it
[07:03] <Publius> LOL
[07:03] <Publius> is that one of the older ones?
[07:03] <L0c0> they were talking about it on foxnews not long ago
[07:03] <L0c0> buti think it was
[07:03] <CometBaby> OcDoc a lot of ppl do w/o those things so the wife can stay home
[07:03] <CometBaby> or to send the kids to private schools
[07:03] <OcDoc> Comet: so those are YOUR priorities you want to impose on me?
[07:04] <L0c0> anyway
[07:04] <L0c0> you know its gonna happen
[07:04] <CometBaby> OcDoc .. of course not .. and that is not what I said. I said that it is
[07:04] <Herzen> Borat is about 30x funnier then AliG
[07:04] <CometBaby> its a personal choice
[07:04] <L0c0> kids are gonna start going to the school w/ tshirts that say other things, fla
[07:04] <Publius> ROFL
[07:04] <Null_Ptr> herzen arent those the same person?
[07:04] <Herzen> Yes
[07:04] <L0c0> the trailor for Borat had me rolllng
[07:04] <Herzen> different characters
[07:04] <Null_Ptr> oh
[07:04] <][Hook][> L0c0: VIVA LA RAZA on the front, Mexican flag on the back!
[07:05] <CometBaby> OcDoc you have a problem with that?
[07:05] <][Hook][> L0c0: =D
[07:05] <OcDoc> Comet: yes ... I cannot afford to pay thousands of dollars per year in taxes
[07:05] <Null_Ptr> when does borat come out
[07:05] <Null_Ptr> the movie i mean
[07:05] <L0c0> http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/borat/trailer/
[07:05] <Publius> back when I was a freshman....my ukranian friend wore an american flag as a
[07:05] <OcDoc> and I shouldn't have to
[07:05] <Null_Ptr> you dont pay taxes for your own kid to go to school, you pay taxes for eve
[07:05] <Publius> and a gas mask
[07:05] <Publius> ROFL!!
[07:05] <CometBaby> OcDoc .. they CAN if they choose to. They just have to make a lot of sacr
[07:05] <Publius> put it on in the morning...caused a stir in the hang out time
[07:06] <Publius> a black sickle and hammer drawn on it
[07:06] <Publius> lol
[07:06] <OcDoc> CometBaby: no, it's not ... it's a TAX ... if you don't pay it you lose your
[07:06] <CometBaby> You need a house on the Island? That is YOUR choice. They make a differ
[07:06] <Publius> he got suspsended like 2 weeks
[07:06] <Publius> lo
[07:06] <Publius> ISS mabye
[07:06] <CometBaby> If they can't live there and send their kids to private school too .. the
[07:07] <OcDoc> Comet: you may call a choice between jail and freedom a choice, but I don't
[07:07] <CometBaby> I applaud personal choice
[07:07] <L0c0> if you can afford to send your kids to a private school, you can afford to sen
[07:07] <L0c0> time for coffee :D
[07:07] <CometBaby> OcDoc its not a choice btw jail and freedom. It is a choice btw living i
[07:07] <OcDoc> Loco: if you don't have to pay public schools to throw money away, you can us
[07:08] <CometBaby> If you cannot give up the former, then you probably cannot afford the lat
[07:08] <Null_Ptr> you may call a choice between eating gourmet cheese and kraft a choice, bu
[07:08] <OcDoc> Comet: only if you have a severe case of tunnel vision and can't see past the
[07:08] <CometBaby> thats a personal choice and I applaud it.
[07:08] <CometBaby> I'm not making a judgment call here.
[07:08] <Herzen> I designed a couple of posters for the local Conservatives club on campus he
[07:08] <CometBaby> I am saying that people can do it .. but many are not willing to give any
[07:09] <OcDoc> yes, the government takes all your money away, so you have a choice between s
[07:09] <CometBaby> and thats fine too
[07:09] <OcDoc> I applaud that choice
[07:09] <Null_Ptr> it is not your money
[07:09] <CometBaby> OcDoc that analogy is false.
[07:09] <Null_Ptr> it only on loan to you, with conditions
[07:09] <OcDoc> Comet: rofl
[07:09] <CometBaby> the govt does not take ALL of your money away.
[07:09] <OcDoc> Comet: they will if we let them
[07:09] <CometBaby> If it did .. nobody would have a house and two cars.
[07:09] <CometBaby> OcDoc you said they do
[07:09] <CometBaby> and that is false
[07:10] <Null_Ptr> i love ideologues
[07:10] <OcDoc> that was an illustration ... a reductio ad absurdum to falsify your statement
[07:10] <CometBaby> it was a bad analogy .. a false one
[07:10] <Null_Ptr> they're so... perceptive.
[07:10] <Null_Ptr> NOT
[07:10] <OcDoc> you ignored fifty percent of the money and then told me it was MY choice
[07:10] <OcDoc> it's only fifty percent my choice
[07:10] <CometBaby> it was as ridiculous as your claim that I was trying to impose my priorit
[07:11] <OcDoc> it was a true analogy ... you were ignoring most of the problem and boiling i
[07:11] <CometBaby> I was doing nothing of the sort
[07:11] <CometBaby> it is a false analogy. The govt does NOT take ALL of your money. It is a
[07:11] <Herzen> the govt sure does take a lot of my money
[07:11] <Herzen> 38% after all is said and done
[07:11] <Herzen> :(
[07:11] <OcDoc> I'll leave that for others to decide ... today is hump day at work and I don'
[07:12] <DeDannan> heh..OcDoc was using an edu server :)
[07:12] <CometBaby> OcDoc not even when you try to ammend it with: [09:09] <+OcDoc> Co
[07:12] <DeDannan> OcDoc is OcDoc@24-113-132-225.wavecable.com * Marshall Anderson
[07:12] <DeDannan> OcDoc on +#politics
[07:12] <DeDannan> OcDoc using irc.umich.edu Can't Stop The Signal
[07:12] <DeDannan> OcDoc 24.113.132.225 actually using host
[07:12] <DeDannan> OcDoc End of /WHOIS list.
[07:12] <Null_Ptr> yeah ironic eh
[07:13] <DeDannan> isnt that supported by EVIL taxes?
[07:13] <][Hook][> I don't really like taxes either... I'd like to see a huge shift from Fed
[07:14] <Herzen> I wouldn't mind taxes
[07:14] <Herzen> if they were used better
[07:14] <][Hook][> perhaps we can shrink the Fed by not feeding it so much =]
[07:14] <][Hook][> make the states stronger
[07:14] <Herzen> but since I pay a huge amount of taxes (38% of my income0
[07:14] <Herzen> and we have a pussy ass military
[07:14] <Herzen> it pisses me off
[07:14] <][Hook][> Herzen: and that's just income tax
[07:14] <Null_Ptr> i am tired of hearing people whine about taxes -- it would be more product
[07:14] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, nah...they'd just borrow to cover the revenue shortfalls :)
[07:14] <][Hook][> Herzen: then with the 62% you have left over you pay a lot more taxes
[07:14] <td-> Null_Ptr: you forgot more funding for the war on terror
[07:14] <Herzen> if Canada had a military 3 times as strong as the Israeli military (3x the p
[07:14] <Herzen> I would be pleased.
[07:15] <Herzen> and wouldn't mind paying taxes
[07:15] <][Hook][> heh
[07:15] <][Hook][> Herzen wants tanks!!!
[07:15] <][Hook][> what a *surprise*!
[07:15] <][Hook][> =P
[07:15] <DeDannan> sweet an nice tanks
[07:15] <Herzen> I want tanks, fighters, carriers, and tactical nuclear weapons
[07:15] <][Hook][> Ukranian tanks
[07:15] <td-> Herzen: we need a 3 billion dollar a year aid package from the U.S.
[07:15] <DeDannan> wif big gunz
[07:15] <CometBaby> Null when you are paying too much in taxes it is okay to whine. But OcDo
[07:15] <td-> strictly for weapons
[07:16] <Herzen> just privatize healthcare completely
[07:16] <][Hook][> I got off easy because I get the same benefits as a private school put wit
[07:16] <Herzen> and put that like 60b directly into military
[07:16] <][Hook][> I like it!
[07:16] <Herzen> then we'd have a budget that rivaled China
[07:16] * Herzen thumbs up
[07:16] <][Hook][> haha
[07:17] <td-> we just need a euthanasia program for people that require expensive care
[07:17] <td-> if you need 30,000$/mth for your AIDS/HIV cocktail, why should the government p
[07:17] <td-> RIGHT
[07:18] <td-> hehe just kidding
[07:19] <Herzen> actually
[07:19] <Herzen> if we abolish healthcare AND indian payouts
[07:19] <Herzen> we could have a military like 5x the strength of Israel
[07:19] <Herzen> with atleast 4 carrier groups
[07:19] <DeDannan> dont get sick..dont be an injun
[07:19] <td-> why do we need that
[07:19] <Herzen> td-, so we can thrash our enemies
[07:19] <Herzen> obviously
[07:19] <td-> who are we going to fight
[07:19] <DeDannan> simple
[07:19] <Herzen> Denmark
[07:19] <Herzen> they try to annex our lands
[07:19] <DeDannan> and Greenland
[07:19] <Null_Ptr> dont forget australia
[07:19] <Herzen> (northern islands)
[07:19] <Herzen> so fuck them!
[07:19] <Null_Ptr> kick their asses
[07:20] <Herzen> oh and Iran
[07:20] <td-> lets bring back our european nuclear strike force
[07:20] <DeDannan> warrrrrrr
[07:20] <td-> we used to have one!
[07:20] <Herzen> we could also attack South Africa
[07:20] <td-> Iran shouldnt be attacked
[07:20] <DeDannan> and Belgium
[07:20] <Null_Ptr> america
[07:21] <Null_Ptr> fuck yeah!
[07:21] <td-> they are peaceful
[07:21] <Herzen> they're not peaceful
[07:21] <td-> and misunderstood
[07:21] <Herzen> they export a lot of terrorism
[07:21] <Null_Ptr> iran should be fucking flat
[07:21] <Null_Ptr> mountains and all
[07:21] <Null_Ptr> one nice piece of glass
[07:21] <Herzen> that sounds expensive
[07:21] <td-> they are going to help Iraq
[07:21] <Herzen> no they aren't
[07:21] <Herzen> they've been working against Iraq actually
[07:21] <td-> supplying oil and security
[07:21] <Herzen> lol
[07:21] <Herzen> uh huh
[07:22] <Null_Ptr> we need a siphon through the glass tho so we can still get the oil
[07:22] <thebarry> nah, we just need like 4 more of those chevron oil finds
[07:22] <thebarry> and we'd be fine
[07:22] <td-> did you see this Herzen
[07:22] <thebarry> open up anwr for extra
[07:22] <td-> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060912/481/b220c4f90e7245778aa902779a02ea80&g=event
[07:23] <td-> Maliki and Ahmadinejad are best of friends
[07:23] <Herzen> td-, I think thats largely irrelevent
[07:23] <Herzen> lol
[07:23] <td-> not only a handshake..
[07:23] <Herzen> i could find a photo of Brezhnev shaking Reagan's hand if i really tried har
[07:23] <td-> but a DOUBLE handshake
[07:23] <td-> thats like the double secret muslim handshake of love
[07:24] <Null_Ptr> its the secret muslim butt buddy handshake
[07:26] <DeDannan> I didnt think Reagan and Brezhnev ever met
[07:27] <Herzen> DeDannan, then how about Nixon and Brezhnev?
[07:27] <Herzen> at SALT talks
[07:27] <td-> http://www.stpeace.org/gallery/interestingPhotos/images/saddam+rumsfeld.jpg tha
[07:28] <][Hook][> Shaking hands with Hussein is some sort of intictment?
[07:28] <td-> of course not
[07:28] <][Hook][> in that case, Clinton shook hands with lots of despots
[07:28] <][Hook][> so did Reagan for that matter
[07:28] <DeDannan> and George the First
[07:29] <td-> Reagan had a special arrangement with terrorists
[07:29] <][Hook][> "Leave us alone"
[07:29] <][Hook][> if you call that "special" ]
[07:29] <td-> all the american hostages in Iran set free the second he took power
[07:29] <td-> lol
[07:29] <][Hook][> that's because they knew he wasn't Carter
[07:30] <][Hook][> they couldn't use the same tactics
[07:30] <][Hook][> Reagan actually would use force
[07:30] <td-> lol
[07:30] <td-> back-channel deals
[07:30] <thebarry> one of the hostage takers asked a hostage
[07:30] <][Hook][> Carter just begged and pleaded
[07:30] <thebarry> what reagan would do
[07:30] <thebarry> he was all happy that carter had been defeated
[07:30] <thebarry> and wanted to know what reagan would do now
[07:30] <][Hook][> made the US look very weak in the eyes of the islamic world
[07:30] <thebarry> and the hostage said "he will bomb you"
[07:31] <td-> fairytales
[07:31] <thebarry> and the hostage taker didnt talk to that hostage for a few days ha
[07:31] <][Hook][> Carter did nothing but verbally negotiate... and it got him nothing
[07:31] <][Hook][> his pleas fell on deaf ears
[07:31] <DeDannan> save for the failed rescue attempt
[07:32] <][Hook][> and in the process we weakend our image in the Islamic world
[07:32] <CometBaby> carter was the worst president that we ever had
[07:32] <CometBaby> there is nothing that will save his legacy
[07:32] <][Hook][> don't get me wrong... Carter is indeed a good man
[07:32] <wiretapp> Bush has shot himself in the foot by telling Americans "the survival of ou
[07:32] <][Hook][> hell he may even be a really nice guy
[07:32] <][Hook][> but he was a bad Pres
[07:33] <CometBaby> clinton was not nearly the worst president .. but he too has a legacy tha
[07:33] <Herzen> Carter was a terrible terrible president
[07:33] <Herzen> by far the worst since 1900
[07:33] <][Hook][> wiretapp: "winning" "losing" don't really matter... "won" or "lost" matter
[07:33] <DeDannan> except for Hoover, Harding, Ford
[07:33] <Herzen> Carter was worst then Ford
[07:33] <Herzen> worse*
[07:33] * DeDannan gives Herzen a WIN button :)
[07:33] <wiretapp> Clinton wasn't so bad people just say that cause he was a recent president
[07:34] <wiretapp> 20 years from now nobody will be saying Clinton was the worst
[07:34] <CometBaby> wiretapp yes he was bad.
[07:34] <CometBaby> he lied before a grand jury as a sitting president
[07:34] <][Hook][> the conservatives disliked Clinton even more because he was such a likeabl
[07:34] <CometBaby> total contempt of our laws
[07:34] <wiretapp> no doubt but that doesn't make him worst president
[07:34] <wiretapp> just makes him a liar
[07:34] <CometBaby> and I will never forgive him for taking envelopes will with cash in the W
[07:35] <CometBaby> filled
[07:35] <wiretapp> hmmm i hadn't heard about the envelopes from chicoms
[07:35] <CometBaby> wiretapp "a liar" is a total and complete understatement
[07:35] <CometBaby> read about maria hsia
[07:36] <CometBaby> a simple lie is much different than one before a grand jury
[07:36] <CometBaby> particularly when you are a sitting president
[07:36] <wiretapp> Sounds like what Tom DeLay did
[07:36] <Melmoth> are you talking about Bush? total disregard of human decency. he's just a c
[07:37] <godfist> you are lower and scum calling anyone who is the current president a crackh
[07:37] <CometBaby> wiretapp .. its not the same thing at all. Tom Delay actually did not re
[07:37] <godfist> clinton wasn't a crackhead wtf kind of description is that
[07:37] <Herzen> wiretapp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_U.S._campaign_finance_scandal
[07:37] <L0c0> yeah bush is no crackhead
[07:37] <Melmoth> godfist: well, if he is, then why not?
[07:37] <L0c0> he's a crackpot
[07:37] <L0c0> :-D
[07:37] <godfist> :/
[07:37] <wiretapp> DeLay didn't remember conspiring to reroute funds to Republican candidates
[07:38] <wiretapp> how can you be so sure what he remembered and what he lied about
[07:38] <CometBaby> Melmoth .. prove it. Cite your sources. Something besides a moonbat webs
[07:38] <godfist> moonbat website? what does that mean lol
[07:38] <Melmoth> CometBaby: c'mon, one look at him isn't enough?
[07:38] <wiretapp> i wasn't comparing Clinton to DeLay I was comparing Maria Hsia to DeLay
[07:38] <L0c0> godfist: the same and probably worse were said about clinton when he was presi
[07:38] <CometBaby> Melmoth devoiced for lameness
[07:39] <CometBaby> melmoth .. you are entitled to your opinion .. but cite it as your opinio
[07:39] <godfist> well maybe people said that about clinton, doesn't mean he deserved those w
[07:40] <CometBaby> melmoth when I discussed carter and clinton I can and will discuss specif
[07:40] <wiretapp> Clinton lied to grand jury about sex Bush lied to American public about wa
[07:41] <wiretapp> those aren't exactly parralel
[07:41] <Herzen> except, Bush didn't lie to the American public about War
[07:42] <compdoc> sex is a personal thing, and lying about it means nothing
[07:42] <DeDannan> nah..he actually believed what he was saying..or at least parts of it anyw
[07:42] <Herzen> It means something when you're under oath
[07:42] <Herzen> DeDannan, all previous indicators showed there were WMDs in the country, the
[07:42] <][Hook][> Clinton just really identified with the Chinese
[07:43] <e-Hernick> Clinton is a liar and a perjurer! It doesn't matter that he was prosecuti
[07:43] <][Hook][> perhaps it was because the word "Wang" came up so often?
[07:43] <][Hook][> =D
[07:43] <DeDannan> Herzen, all the indicators that he was shown did, yes...
[07:43] <CometBaby> compdoc .. tell that to the grand jury :)
[07:43] <Lupine|> e-hernick: um.. #1 it was a civil trial #2 the lady sueing him deserves to
[07:43] <CometBaby> as always .. the rules never apply to democrats
[07:43] <Herzen> DeDannan, British, Israeli, American, and other NATO intelligence all said p
[07:44] <JanetB> it means something when you are being sued for sexual harassment and lying t
[07:44] <][Hook][> compdoc: how about lying to a grand jury under oath to avoid indictment fo
[07:44] <compdoc> its his business - now if he had raped her...
[07:44] <][Hook][> compdoc: how do you know Clinton never raped anyone? or groped, fondled, m
[07:44] <compdoc> sexual misconduct? its against the law to have sex, or at least get a blow
[07:44] <CometBaby> haha my husband bought a tshirt at guns unlimited .. gigantic words .. be
[07:44] <Herzen> Its against the law to abuse your position of seniority to get sex.
[07:44] <Herzen> Yes.
[07:45] <compdoc> ][Hook][, he might have
[07:45] <][Hook][> compdoc: the grand jury wasn't over Lewinski, it was over allegations prev
[07:45] <CometBaby> Herzen and these were laws that clinton and the democrats brought in
[07:45] <JanetB> how about he wsa being sued... for sexual harassment, or did you conviently
[07:45] <compdoc> if someone offers, I dont see it can be against any law
[07:45] <CometBaby> but obviously were never meant to apply to them
[07:45] <e-Hernick> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/13/bin.laden.beard.ap/index.html
[07:45] <Null_Ptr> herzen technically speaking isnt the president senior to everyone?
[07:45] <Null_Ptr> herzen is there anyone he can legally have sex with? hehe
[07:46] <][Hook][> he like about Lewinski because it would hurt his case against Paula Jones
[07:46] <][Hook][> err
[07:46] <CometBaby> compdoc don't you remember .. all men are evil .. and women never lie ..
[07:46] <][Hook][> he lied about Lewinski because it would hurt his case against Paula Jones
[07:46] <CometBaby> it was the mantra of the lefties for a while there
[07:46] <][Hook][> it's not really that hard to figure out
[07:46] <CometBaby> all sex is rape
[07:46] <Herzen> Null_Ptr, thats pretty retarded nitpicking
[07:46] <][Hook][> unless it is performed by a female
[07:46] <Herzen> Null_Ptr, difference between office seniority and him having sex with an unr
[07:46] <CometBaby> how soon they forget when clinton does it
[07:47] <CometBaby> then its okay after all
[07:47] <e-Hernick> ah
[07:47] <e-Hernick> only the most radical of Dworkinian feminofascists say that
[07:47] <e-Hernick> there's probably a few thousand of them in the USA no more.. no sane libe
[07:47] <CometBaby> and they were the basis for most of the sexual harassment in the workplac
[07:48] <compdoc> I have an appointment - gotta go
[07:48] <CometBaby> bye
[07:49] <RustyFord> Harry Reid on the presidents speech the other night: nothing more than cl
[07:49] <DeDannan> what's often forgotten is that the initial suit brought by Ms Jones was di
[07:50] <CometBaby> where were all those feminazi's when clinton was pulling his shit? They a
[07:50] <Rebec> comet they were under his desk
[07:51] <CometBaby> lol
[07:51] <CometBaby> ROFLMAO !!!!
[07:51] <Rebec> thanks
[07:52] <Rebec> Hi Sulla
[07:54] <Sulla> hey
[07:54] <Rebec> what kind of kid are you today
[07:54] <RustyFord> Reid and Pelosi circulated a letter they sent to the television networks
[07:54] <RustyFord> In response, representatives for ABC and CBS said the networks cover news
[07:55] <RustyFord> niiiiice
[07:55] <RustyFord> Republicans and Democrats in Congress showed other cracks in the unity th
[07:55] <RustyFord> Democrats asked Republican leaders to delete a portion that names a serie
[07:56] <RustyFord> apparently democrats are afraid of the fact that they themselves voted fo
[07:56] <][Hook][> RustyFord: so basically democrats can't make policy, so they just want to
[07:57] <][Hook][> like judicial activism, but with the media complex
[07:57] <wiretapp> lol why would the commemorative resolution include the patriot act
[07:57] <][Hook][> it's actually not a bad idea
[07:57] <wiretapp> not actually include the patriot act, but include mention of it
[07:57] <RustyFord> well they don't want it made public that they voted for the very same law
[07:58] <wiretapp> a lot of them didn't know what they were voting on
[07:58] <wiretapp> at that time it wasn't very politically feasible to vote against it
[07:58] <RustyFord> its hard to claim that something like wiretapping foreigners who talk to
[07:59] <JanetB> excuse me.... they are voting for laws that they do not know what they are??
[07:59] <wiretapp> RustyFord that wiretapping program is not part of the patriot act
[07:59] <wiretapp> that was a totally seperate program
[07:59] <DeDannan> wiretapp, surely you're not suggesting that politicians vote on legislatio
[08:00] <RustyFord> wiat wait wait, there is a "muslims" running for congress but his name is
[08:00] <JanetB> thats really sad, oh yeah I voted for that law... but I did not know what it
[08:01] <JanetB> yeah.. makes me want to vote for you all the more!!
[08:01] <RustyFord> wouldn't his name be Keith X
[08:01] <RustyFord> heh
[08:01] <syoung333> for those interested: PBS Nova - Storm That Drowned a City (2005.HDTV.SoS
[08:02] <RustyFord> I like TOny Snow
[08:02] <RustyFord> he's a damn good press secretary
[08:03] <DeDannan> making the hajj is one of the 5 pillars of faith for Islam...and all musli
[08:04] <RustyFord> right DeDannan
[08:04] <RustyFord> and i thought that you weren't a muslim until you completed the 5 pillars
[08:04] <RustyFord> to "prove" your faith?
[08:05] <DeDannan> no
[08:05] <DeDannan> if one cannot go..for health, finacial, other legitimate reasons...
[08:05] <RustyFord> oh cool so anyone can just say they are muslim then
[08:05] <L0c0> we had a guy that used to chat w/ us on #pinkfloyd that went to the hajj in 98
[08:06] <L0c0> or 99
[08:06] <RustyFord> ever see pictures of it ?
[08:06] <RustyFord> its a cool looking place, its HUGGGE, and its amazing how many people go
[08:06] <L0c0> i've seen footage of it
[08:06] <Publius> i'm called muslims a lot!
[08:06] <RustyFord> i have a huge picture of it in one of my national geographics
[08:07] <L0c0> Discovery had this piece on african and american muslims there
[08:07] <Rebec> Publius me too
[08:07] <RustyFord> i geuss one time they had a bunch of terrorists come out of the bottom of
[08:08] <L0c0> Rustyford: on a purely spiritual aspect, i admire the hajj...especially those
[08:08] <RustyFord> Saudi army came in and killed them all
[08:08] <Publius> lol..kind of weird that in some places having the position that Islam is no
[08:08] <L0c0> they do all the traveling by foot, its amazing
[08:08] <RustyFord> yeh L0c0
[08:08] <Publius> I can never tell when I will get that reaction thoguh
[08:08] <Publius> heh
[08:08] <RustyFord> how about those that nail themselves to crosses in the phillipines
[08:08] <RustyFord> heh
[08:08] <Rebec> Publius yeah I know the feeling...like that place you invite me to
[08:08] <Remo1075> I can never respect Islam when it puts such little value on women
[08:09] <RustyFord> then you got people who drag their crosses through jerusalem..... on whee
[08:09] <RustyFord> er hmm
[08:09] <L0c0> i'd guess that there are more peaceful muslims than radical extremists...but l
[08:09] <Remo1075> they are treated like objects not people
[08:09] <Publius> Iran: US pullout key to Iraq stability
[08:09] <Publius> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1157913622416&pagename=JPost%2FJ
[08:09] <Publius> rofl!!!!
[08:09] <L0c0> you read about the teacher that knocks up his student, but not about the thous
[08:09] <Publius> Rebec LOLOL
[08:09] <DeDannan> L0c0, bad news sells
[08:09] <L0c0> Rustyford; shit, yeah those in the philipines
[08:10] <L0c0> part of me says "they're nuts" but i do have to acknowledge that it's a show o
[08:10] <L0c0> still nuts, but i respect it
[08:10] <L0c0> hehe
[08:10] <Rebec> Iran can go to hell
[08:10] <Rebec> oh wait they're already there
[08:10] <RustyFord> hmmm... wildfire in Castaic mountains, isn't that where some of MASH was
[08:10] <Rebec> Iran can go to a deeper circle of hell
[08:10] <L0c0> Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khameni told visiting Iraqi Prime Minister
[08:10] <Lupine|> It is no less rational than those who play russian roulette, and have "fait
[08:10] <DeDannan> interesting...Iran's nuclear ambitions go back 30+ years...
[08:10] <RustyFord> looked like the same exact hills
[08:11] <DeDannan> began research while the Shah was still in power
[08:11] <Lupine|> DeD: yep.. IIRC, we had negotiated with Iran for developement of a nuclear
[08:11] <Publius> Well look
[08:11] <Katey> DeDannan, yeah I was listening to a guy on NPR talking about that the other d
[08:11] <Publius> If Iran thinks that
[08:11] <Katey> either on Fresh Air or Talk of the Nation
[08:11] <Katey> can't remember which
[08:11] <Publius> that means the should slow down their destabilization
[08:12] <L0c0> Plublius: this seems like the sort of thing that may develop an alliance betwe
[08:12] <DeDannan> Katey, yep..Fresh Air
[08:12] <Publius> Iran might just back the fuck off
[08:12] <Lupine|> Pub: it is tacit admission that iran is controlling the violence..
[08:12] <Publius> L0c0 there already is an alliance
[08:12] <DeDannan> was listening to it on the way back from the mountains
[08:12] <Publius> L0c0 It would if there was not a unity governmetn
[08:12] <Katey> DeDannan, heh, I flip back and forth between those two when I'm out to pick u
[08:12] <L0c0> Publius: more of an alliance...i mean a very close working relationship
[08:12] <Publius> Lupine exactly
[08:13] <Publius> L0c0 would you prefer Iran to support Sadr and an insurgency?
[08:13] <RustyFord> i have often wondered why if we knew that Iran was giving power to the in
[08:13] <Publius> or open dialogue with the respectable prime ministeR?
[08:13] <L0c0> Publius: unity gov't for now, but i'm sure the sunni's in the united gov't won
[08:13] <L0c0> Publius: iran's involvement in any capacity is a bad thing
[08:13] <wiretapp> NEW YORK, March 21 PRNewswire -- Newsweek has learned that in the months b
[08:13] <Publius> Iran and Iraq are inseperable here
[08:14] <L0c0> Publius: problem is doing it underground vs doing it diplomatically and politi
[08:14] <Lupine|> RF: maybe the admin is tried fo hearing Dean/Pelosi/etc piss and moan over
[08:14] <wiretapp> Richard Clarke, former counterterrorism chief of the national-security sta
[08:14] <Publius> doing it underground is more dangerous.
[08:14] <Lupine|> wire: nice
[08:14] <Katey> L0c0, seems pretty inevitable that they will have a close relationship
[08:14] <RustyFord> who cares what the demorats say
[08:14] <Lupine|> wiretapp: any word on which judge that was?
[08:14] <Lupine|> he should be given a figurative "beat down"
[08:14] <RustyFord> with all the worls worst leaders in one spot in Cuba, it would be a good
[08:15] <Katey> Both shi'ite majority nations, right next door to eachother. Iran is a power
[08:15] <L0c0> Katey: i agree...i think that will lead to more violence though. vs sunnis (a
[08:15] <Publius> No!
[08:15] <Lupine|> moral of the story: the government monitors terrorists.. some leftoid judge
[08:15] <wiretapp> During the Bush administration's first few months in office, Attorney Gene
[08:15] <Publius> The Sunniis want political dialogue!
[08:15] <wiretapp> Lup|ne it doesn't say
[08:15] <Lupine|> wire: that means its a 99.5% probability it was a democratic appointed judg
[08:15] <Publius> If you do it udnerground, then Saudi Arabia will start backing sunni militi
[08:16] <Publius> ALL OVER AGAIN
[08:16] <RustyFord> Lupine it was a judge that was appointed by Clinton
[08:16] <Publius> Iraq is a democratic government
[08:16] <RustyFord> i forget her name off hand
[08:16] <Publius> it has a unity coaltion, and heading towards control of the security forces
[08:16] <Publius> the decisions they make are however theirs
[08:17] <wiretapp> Lup|ne you know the Bush's programs are being shot down by Reagan nominees
[08:17] <L0c0> Wiretapp: got the url for that article?
[08:17] <JanetB> heh, the cuba summit to redefine the term terrorism, to include the war in I
[08:17] <JanetB> heheh
[08:17] <wiretapp> L0c0 its from march tryin to find a working link
[08:17] <JanetB> heck they been calling the USA terrorists for years now
[08:18] <Lupine|> The official quoted President Bush as telling Condi Rice, "I'm tired of swa
[08:18] <Lupine|> wire: and the leftoid media is quick to point out that they were GOP appoin
[08:19] <Lupine|> in any event, this "article" is more of a personal-opinion editorial by Mic
[08:19] <Lupine|> many of the "quotes" are even legit quotes, but heresay.
[08:19] <L0c0> this is funny: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/13/spain.models/index.h
[08:19] <RustyFord> ohhh sorry it was Jimmy Carter who appointed her
[08:19] <wiretapp> Lupine| the story here is not that the judge scolded them
[08:20] <wiretapp> its that Ashcroft was more interested in drugs than terrorism
[08:20] <L0c0> Skinny models banned from catwalk
[08:20] <RustyFord> Judge, U. S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan
[08:20] <RustyFord> Nominated by Jimmy Carter on May 17, 1979, to a new seat created by 92 St
[08:20] <Lupine|> wire: you are right, the MSM want's to supress that ruling
[08:20] <Lupine|> wire: i would point out that most of the statements about Ashcroft are not
[08:21] <Publius> L0c0 typical fascist spainards
[08:21] <Publius> LOL
[08:21] <L0c0> Lupine|: let india nuke pakistan
[08:21] <Publius> rofl
[08:21] <L0c0> that'll get'em!
[08:21] <L0c0> yeah right
[08:21] <L0c0> like roaches, they'll crawl out after the dust settles
[08:21] <RustyFord> interestingly enough the day that she came out with this ruling Jimmy Car
[08:22] <Publius> naw, you don't really crawl out from nuclear fallotu
[08:22] <Publius> ;p
[08:22] <Publius> unless you are a roach, genetically
[08:22] <wiretapp> "Ashcroft downgraded terrorism as a priority, choosing to place more empha
[08:23] <RustyFord> yes, the war on terror and any time Bush speaks about it is nothing more
[08:24] <wiretapp> RustyFord just a shot in the dark here, but do you listen to Michael Savag
[08:25] * L0c0 listens to the Macho Man Randy Savage
[08:25] <RustyFord> the partisanship of American politics over the war on terror, to be hones
[08:25] <wiretapp> L0c0 here is another article that mentions it written by the same reporter
[08:27] <Lupine|> wire: in otherwards, that is the unsubstantiated opinion of Isikoff/Thomas.
[08:28] <Lupine|> don't they teach people who to read and correctly interperate claims?
[08:30] <L0c0> http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/dobbs.Sept13/index.html
[08:30] <L0c0> But like President Bush, Sen. Reid had no recommendations for defeating our en
[08:30] <SonOfSpam> http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/060912/ramirez.jpg
[08:30] <SonOfSpam> heh
[08:31] <SonOfSpam> The American people are getting *exactly* what they deserve.
[08:31] <RustyFord> HA! nice Glock
[08:31] <Rebec> spam I know a professor that wrote a book under a similar title
[08:31] <DarthBurg> sorry I am late, what did I miss
[08:31] <Rebec> darth nothing really
[08:31] <Rebec> hi
[08:32] <DarthBurg> hi
[08:32] <RustyFord> <+SonOfSpam> http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/060912/ramirez.jpg <
[08:32] <Sulla> i want to cruise with you
[08:32] <Sulla> beneath the mambo sun
[08:32] <Sulla> i got to be the one
[08:32] <Sulla> for you
[08:32] <SonOfSpam> They want a gov't they don't have to think about, care about, and everyth
[08:32] <Sulla> for you
[08:33] <Sulla> on a mountain range
[08:33] <Sulla> im Dr Strange
[08:33] <Sulla> for you
[08:33] <Sulla> for you
[08:33] <DarthBurg> thats a nice toon.
[08:33] <RustyFord> L0c0, i do agree with Lou Dobbs, the president has a plan, and that plan
[08:34] <Sulla> ive got stars in my beard
[08:34] <Sulla> and i feel real weird
[08:34] <Sulla> for you
[08:34] <DarthBurg> actually, its the partisanship of the party that LOST
[08:34] <Sulla> for you
[08:35] <RustyFord> personally i think the president had a much larger plan he meant to put i
[08:35] <L0c0> but bush's plan, "stay 'til we defeat them" seems so open-ended. and its not
[08:35] <DarthBurg> i do not buy the "Both Party's are partisan" especially with Bush reachi
[08:35] <L0c0> Rustyford: it's easy to say the end result must be victory...but how
[08:35] <RustyFord> L0c0, like i said
[08:35] <RustyFord> L0c0, i do agree with Lou Dobbs, the president has a plan, and that plan
[08:35] <L0c0> "stay the course" isn't a plan for victory
[08:35] <L0c0> Democrats have zero plan
[08:36] <L0c0> but what's worse: no plan or a bad plan
[08:36] <DarthBurg> L0c0's will is all ready broken, or perhaps, he never had any in the firs
[08:36] <L0c0> i think either way, our troops are fucked
[08:36] <FreeAlwys> 08:36:17 13/09/2006 LOG
[08:36] <DeDannan> it jollu
[08:36] <RustyFord> well i don't think there is a magic bullet plan that will solve the entir
[08:36] <L0c0> i agree that the partisanship has gotten way outta control when it comes to ir
[08:37] <RustyFord> i don't care what anyone says, Iraq will be far better off without Saddam
[08:37] <L0c0> one side says "let's just keep doing what we're doing" and the other says "Let
[08:37] <RustyFord> they are talking 10 divisions by 2007
[08:38] <DarthBurg> imagine how far along we would be if the Donkeys attacked terror like the
[08:38] <Rebec> darth lol why would they do that?
[08:38] <RustyFord> i say we bolster their 10 divisions and then get the fuck out, I don't th
[08:38] <L0c0> i have no doubt Iraq is better off w/o Saddam
[08:38] <DarthBurg> Rebec apparently it is to much to ask.
[08:39] <RustyFord> Darth I agree
[08:39] <L0c0> something my friend jim and i talked about: is the Middle East and the world
[08:39] <][Hook][> http://gopvixen.blogs.com/gop_vixen/2006/09/the_chili_peppe.html
[08:39] <DarthBurg> Bush never once claimed it would be easy or quick.
[08:40] <Rebec> Darth yes it is
[08:40] <RustyFord> but i would also say that there has to be a plan for national reconciliat
[08:40] <L0c0> Hook: Set him up with a lovely candlelit dinner -- with Rosie O'Donnell
[08:40] <L0c0> ok that's just flat out torture
[08:40] <L0c0> that's just cruel man
[08:40] <L0c0> haha
[08:41] <RustyFord> L0c0, i don't think Iran/Iraq will be "allies"
[08:41] <][Hook][> if Iraq is Shia led they will be
[08:41] <][Hook][> no doubt about it
[08:41] <RustyFord> they will be partners in trade and such, but allies would be going a bit
[08:41] <L0c0> Rustyford: i think the partisanship is brought on by the spin: oppose the war
[08:42] <RustyFord> L0c0, well they need to support the office then, not the man
[08:42] <][Hook][> L0c0: disagreement and opposition are different though
[08:42] <RustyFord> as the saying in Band of Brothers, you salute the rank, not the man
[08:42] <L0c0> likewise, the spin from the right of 'their plan is bad! (but we have no plan
[08:42] <][Hook][> L0c0: you can disagree with the war without trying to actually make it har
[08:42] <RustyFord> democrats have absolutely NO respect for the office or the man
[08:42] <Kurt2> SNAKES ON A LUXURY YACHT
[08:42] <L0c0> you can oppose the office and the policies of the office...but has to be oppos
[08:43] <DarthBurg> well, if pols are scared of being called anti american, then they should
[08:43] <RustyFord> not trying to be partisan here but republicans gave the Clinton presidenc
[08:43] <Rebec> darth let's pull all foreign aid
[08:43] <][Hook][> RustyFord: oh come on
[08:43] <][Hook][> RustyFord: Clinton was not shown respect in all circumstances
[08:43] <RustyFord> when it came to military operations in Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Bosnia, Sudan,
[08:44] <RustyFord> Hook, they supported him in his military endeavors
[08:44] <RustyFord> voted for approval in republican controlled house and congress EVERY TIME
[08:44] <DarthBurg> Clinton only attacked ABC
[08:44] <RustyFord> granted afterwards there was SOME republicans who called it "wag the dog"
[08:45] <DarthBurg> he launched the attack on the day she went to the stand, a smarter pol wo
[08:45] <MadScribe> "[11:42:42] <RustyFord> not trying to be partisan here but republic
[08:45] <DarthBurg> of course, no ever accuses Clinton of being smart.
[08:45] <L0c0> Rustyford: take kosovo...it wasn't a war to go and spread an ideology, it was
[08:45] <RustyFord> but those republicans also were criticised by members of their own party
[08:45] <L0c0> and it wasn't a war
[08:45] <L0c0> but that's beside the point
[08:46] <MadScribe> sorry, just caught that in passing
[08:46] <RustyFord> L0c0 actually????????
[08:46] <DarthBurg> MadScribe did the republicans go as far with Clinton as the donkeys have
[08:46] <RustyFord> you don't know much about Kosovo do yah?=)
[08:46] <L0c0> my biggest problem w/ this administration was how they sold this war
[08:46] <DarthBurg> Clinton lied, turned not that many died.
[08:46] <L0c0> they pictured in Iraq what happened in Kuwait in 91
[08:47] <L0c0> they thought the people would line the streets waving flags and cheering on th
[08:47] <DarthBurg> L0c0 yes, almost word for word with the Clinton admin, your hero, I can s
[08:47] <RustyFord> one of the biggest criticisms of the yugoslavians was that muslims popula
[08:47] <RustyFord> imagine if that happened in the USA?
[08:47] <DarthBurg> actually, US troops in Iraq were gretted with flowers on several occasion
[08:47] <L0c0> even HWBush had the good sense to realize that that woudl not have happened if
[08:47] <DarthBurg> greeted
[08:48] <DarthBurg> Senior Bush bowed to world opinion, for all the good it did him.
[08:48] <L0c0> different situation, same results
[08:48] <DarthBurg> oh thats right, L0c0 has me on ignore because the shit he says is to toug
[08:49] <RustyFord> see there goes the partisanship
[08:49] <DarthBurg> yes, pointing out reality is partisanship, Not
[08:49] <RustyFord> and i am not talking about you darth
[08:49] * DarthBurg smacks RustyFord with a chevy
[08:50] <L0c0> "We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect rule Iraq. The coa
[08:50] * DarthBurg relents, then smacks him again anyway, just in case.
[08:50] <RustyFord> i am merely pointing out to L0c0 that even he can't discuss anything abou
[08:50] <DarthBurg> we are not supposed to talk about Clinton.
[08:51] <L0c0> hey i didn't vote for clinton in 96
[08:51] <L0c0> hehe
[08:51] <L0c0> i voted Dole
[08:51] <RustyFord> L0c0, we still occupy Bosnia and Yugoslavia
[08:51] <RustyFord> how many years later?
[08:51] <L0c0> and i didn't vote in 92 (was only 16 at the time) ;-P:
[08:51] <DarthBurg> that explains a lot.
[08:51] * DeDannan voted for Bullwinkle both times
[08:51] <L0c0> but did we go into there to push an ideology
[08:51] <L0c0> did we go into there to "spread democracy"
[08:51] <DarthBurg> i gotta run
[08:51] <DarthBurg> later
[08:51] <L0c0> no...it ended at removing the dictator
[08:52] <L0c0> to some extent
[08:52] <RustyFord> L0c0 uhhh
[08:52] <Rebec> L0c0 I didn't either
[08:52] <RustyFord> Yugoslavia is now a democracy
[08:52] <Rebec> I got a compliment from the dole campaign at their rally
[08:52] <Publius> hezbollah is not in the south
[08:52] <Publius> they all fuckin moved...and they are setting up some camps north
[08:52] <L0c0> by choice, not by force
[08:53] <RustyFord> as is Bosnia and Croatia
[08:53] <Dominus> Yugoslavia.. doesn't exist anymore.
[08:53] <RustyFord> L0c0 no one forced Iraq to form a democracy
[08:53] <RustyFord> i didn't see anyone at gun point going to the voting booths
[08:54] <L0c0> waht other choices did they havethere?
[08:54] <RustyFord> Dominus sorry, Yugoslavia = Serbia
[08:54] <Publius> and montenegro!
[08:54] <RustyFord> L0c0 they had a choice not to vote
[08:54] <Rebec> Clinton did a great job of letting bin laden become so powerful
[08:54] <Rebec> oh wait I didn't mean that, now darth will smack me
[08:54] * Rebec runs away
[08:54] <RustyFord> they had a choice to vote for Al Sadr, they had several choices
[08:54] <RustyFord> they could have chosen not to participate
[08:55] <Dominus> Montenegro only recently gained independence.
[08:55] <L0c0> so what happens if that new democracy aligns itself with iran...then what
[08:55] <Dominus> Took a lot of work... but no force.
[08:55] <L0c0> do we go back in, dismantle it and try again?
[08:55] <RustyFord> L0c0, it will be up to the people of Iraq to decide their fate
[08:55] <L0c0> i strongly believe HWBush ...going into iraq was just not a good idea
[08:56] <Publius> Dominus I don't think serbia liked it
[08:56] <Publius> hah
[08:56] <RustyFord> have to remember that Shia's are not the majority in Iraq
[08:56] <Publius> or accepted it....
[08:56] <RustyFord> er wait
[08:56] <RustyFord> yeh they are...
[08:56] <Rebec> L0c0 I was 15 in 92 lol
[08:56] <Publius> LOL
[08:56] <Dominus> They did, eventually.
[08:56] <Publius> no what ifs
[08:56] <RustyFord> well it will be up to Sunni's to put out a message that is better than Sh
[08:56] <Publius> L0c0
[08:56] <L0c0> Rebec: i was 16, but did support HW
[08:56] <Publius> Iran and Iraq
[08:56] <Publius> since hussein went down have been allies
[08:57] <RustyFord> not allies
[08:57] <Publius> but there are elements of Iran that are hurting Iraq
[08:57] <RustyFord> Saudi and Iran visit each other, are they allies?
[08:57] <Publius> this is a complicated relationship heh
[08:57] <Zaw> has anyone read 'Crossing the Rubicon', by Michael Kane?
[08:57] <L0c0> Rustyford: i have little faith in them...unless they're willing to give up tha
[08:57] <Publius> RustyFrod no, saudi is sunni
[08:57] <L0c0> that's what the sectarian violence is about
[08:57] <L0c0> that's what the shit between israel and palestine is about
[08:57] <RustyFord> Pakistan and Iran have pretty close ties
[08:58] <Publius> L0c0 if they are allies, the sectarian violence will slow down
[08:58] <RustyFord> are they allies?
[08:58] <L0c0> they have knack for holding a grudge
[08:58] <Publius> the sunni
[08:58] <Publius> in Iraq
[08:58] <Publius> trust the government.
[08:58] <L0c0> trust their part of the gov't
[08:58] <Publius> L0c0 it is a unity governemnt
[08:58] <SonOfSpam> Follow my "true" path to heaven, it is the only way to save your soul...
[08:58] <SonOfSpam> o_O
[08:58] <L0c0> if they want stability...spread the wealth from the oil
[08:58] <Publius> al-maliki is the prime minister of iraq
[08:58] <Publius> not the prime minister of shia
[08:59] <Publius> not the pm of sunni
[08:59] <L0c0> people are happier when they have money
[08:59] <Publius> not the pm of kiursd
[08:59] <Publius> HAHAHAHA
[08:59] <Publius> DUDE
[08:59] <Publius> this is fucking IRAQ, lived under HUSSEIN
[08:59] <Publius> shia were an oppressed MAJORITY
[08:59] <RustyFord> thats the other thing, have to remember that Kurds and Sunni's make up th
[08:59] <RustyFord> Shia's can't go jumping the gun to fast
[08:59] <][Hook][> RustyFord: I'm sure there are at least as many Democrats who hold the offi
[08:59] <L0c0> Publius: b/c we here in america know that b/c a politician is elected that the
[08:59] <Publius> RustyFrod no the shia still out numebr them.
[09:00] <RustyFord> publius nope
[09:00] <L0c0> and that they NEVER EVER do anything to push the agendas of their party/group
[09:00] <L0c0> never do that, nope
[09:00] <RustyFord> sunni and kurds in a unity party out number Shia
[09:00] <Publius> L0c0 yeah
[09:00] <Publius> america
[09:00] <][Hook][> RustyFord: that's one problem with the media... they try to push devisiven
[09:00] <Publius> was not under a tyrant 5 years ago
[09:00] <L0c0> difference is that we get angry...we vote
[09:00] <Publius> Iraq, never having a democracy
[09:00] <L0c0> they get angry...they blow shit up
[09:00] <][Hook][> RustyFord: the media long ago stopped accurately depicting the US
[09:00] <Publius> L0c0 but far less now than before
[09:00] <][Hook][> they only show what sells... and these days that is sensationalism
[09:01] <Rebec> L0c0 ok
[09:01] <Publius> RustyFord the prime minister is SHIA
[09:01] <RustyFord> Publius i know this
[09:01] <RustyFord> wahts your point?
[09:02] <RustyFord> have to remember that Saddam was a SUNNI and Kurds didn't and don't trust
[09:02] <L0c0> Hook: sensationalism sells
[09:02] <RustyFord> Kurds don't like Iran as much as they don't trust that Sunnis or Shias ha
[09:02] <Publius> RustyFrod but the prime minister represents the majority party!
[09:02] <RustyFord> publius again
[09:03] <RustyFord> when you combine the sunnis and kurds they out number the SHIA
[09:03] <RustyFord> heh
[09:03] <L0c0> may be better off breaking up iraq into at least 2 nations: iraq and kurdistan
[09:03] <L0c0> but i doubt that'd work...
[09:03] <L0c0> breakign news on foxnews: Death of Anna Nicole Smith's Son Called 'Suspicious'
[09:03] <RustyFord> L0c0 no it won't work because shia's will over rule anything that Sunni's
[09:04] <DeDannan> L0c0, I've heard the idea of 3 states being created...or a loose confedera
[09:04] <L0c0> that's what i mean...about a mindset of revenge/retribution/etc
[09:05] <DeDannan> which might work, since Iraq was a wholly artificial construct from the ge
[09:05] <RustyFord> i still say that all of this could have been avoided if they had simply l
[09:06] <RustyFord> Diane "Whinestien" is on Fox
[09:06] <L0c0> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,213620,00.html
[09:06] <RustyFord> she wants to debate and debate and debate while terrorists plot plot plot
[09:07] <Rebec> she's an idiot like russ "fool'sgold"
[09:07] <L0c0> Rustyford: of give me Iraq since I have direct lineange from the God Molohanah
[09:07] <L0c0> *angelic music playing*
[09:07] <L0c0> haha
[09:07] <RustyFord> well, it actually was suggested
[09:08] <Publius> LOLOL
[09:08] <RustyFord> =) King Hussein rejected it
[09:08] <RustyFord> sorry
[09:08] <RustyFord> King Abdullah
[09:08] <Publius> Rusty was that actually proposed?
[09:08] <Publius> hehehehe
[09:09] <RustyFord> yes
[09:09] <Publius> Rusty I am having ahard time getting exact party numbers and names
[09:10] <RustyFord> i don't know if it was proposed by the Bush administration or by neighbor
[09:10] <L0c0> check this out: Police say a city official is on tape keying a councilman's c
[09:10] <RustyFord> or from members inside the Iraqi "pre-government" at the time
[09:10] <RustyFord> personally I think Iraq needs a King
[09:11] <RustyFord> until democratic reforms can be gradually introduced
[09:11] <Publius> kings never fucking do it
[09:11] <Publius> they just don't
[09:11] <RustyFord> well thats for the people to confront
[09:11] <RustyFord> not the USA
[09:11] <Publius> yeah
[09:11] <Publius> thats how you get terrorists
[09:11] <Rebec> hehehe I keep saying let's give Iraq back to Jordan
[09:11] <RustyFord> brb i gotta go take a Hillary
[09:11] <Publius> they confront the dictatorships
[09:12] <Publius> then you get shit like mubarak
[09:12] <Publius> or the shah
[09:12] <][Hook][> L0c0: hahaha... that lawyer is an idiot
[09:12] <Publius> then you get more anti-american hate
[09:12] <Publius> it must be a democracy
[09:12] <][Hook][> L0c0: no jury is going to buy that after viewing that tape
[09:12] <L0c0> BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- The chief prosecutor in Saddam Hussein's genocide trial
[09:12] <L0c0> Hook: no shit
[09:12] <L0c0> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/13/saddam.trial.ap/index.html
[09:13] <L0c0> still can't get over saddam talking about crushing heads...totally reminds me
[09:13] <Rebec> why even give them a trial
[09:14] <Rebec> we all know they are guilty
[09:14] * ][Hook][ pinches the air in front of his nose
[09:14] <][Hook][> "I'M CRUSHING YOUR HEAD@!!@!"
[09:14] <Publius> why give them a trial <-- must be fair
[09:14] <DeDannan> to legitimize their executions of course
[09:14] <Publius> we know they are guilty, but if a trial is not fair
[09:14] <Rebec> Publius bah
[09:14] <Publius> bah nothign
[09:14] <Publius> !
[09:14] <Rebec> trials
[09:14] <Rebec> dedannan oh ok
[09:14] <Rebec> I can live with that
[09:14] <][Hook][> and the Judge is right... if the legal system isn't going to treat accuser
[09:15] <][Hook][> the playing field has to be equal
[09:15] <L0c0> well
[09:15] <Rebec> Publius see I can agree with dedannan's reasoning
[09:15] <L0c0> Rebec: and we're trying to tell iraqis "this is how democracy works"
[09:15] <L0c0> you don't just take somebody and put a bullet in their head...
[09:15] <Rebec> L0c0 I suppose
[09:15] <L0c0> sucks but i think its important
[09:16] <Rebec> eh
[09:16] <Publius> oh
[09:16] <L0c0> in a democracy even the most evil deserve their day in court
[09:16] <Publius> lol same deal different flavor
[09:16] <Publius> ;p0
[09:17] <L0c0> richard ramirez, timothy mcvey, ken lay...
[09:17] <L0c0> haha
[09:17] <Rebec> L0c0 lol if you insist
[09:17] <L0c0> brb, needa make breakfast before i die
[09:17] <DeDannan> what I really dislike is Saddam's apparent ability to disrupt court procee
[09:17] <][Hook][> exactly
[09:17] <DeDannan> and the courts inability, or unwillingness to do something about it
[09:17] <][Hook][> if they are "so guilty" then it shouldn't be hard for the prosecution
[09:18] <Publius> DeDannan did you see the kurds riping him yesterday?
[09:18] <Publius> ROFL
[09:18] <Publius> he went berserk
[09:18] <Publius> "YOU ARE A TOOL OF ZION!
[09:18] <DeDannan> yep..he should have been gagged
[09:18] <travis9> man i love america
[09:18] <Rebec> I like how Milosevic just died in the middle
[09:18] <travis9> i just bought a new gun
[09:18] <Publius> Rebec yeah
[09:18] <Rebec> travis I don't know how to shoot
[09:18] <Publius> poisoned himself
[09:18] <Publius> lamo!!!!
[09:18] <travis9> a czech cz-52
[09:18] <Publius> by ACCIDENT
[09:18] <Publius> LOL
[09:19] <Rebec> Publius right
[09:19] <Rebec> how nice of him to go
[09:19] <Rebec> save us the effort
[09:19] <Rebec> travis is it nice
[09:19] <travis9> rebec: its pretty easy, load the mag, pull the slide, disengage the trigger
[09:19] <Publius> God was saying "hey, i exit" to those who wer elooking
[09:19] <Publius> lol
[09:19] <travis9> disengage the safety that is
[09:20] <Rebec> Publius lol
[09:20] <Rebec> travis I see
[09:20] <travis9> rebec: i think so, it shoots balls of fire out of the muzzle (like a 2 ft m
[09:20] <Rebec> cool
[09:20] <Rebec> got a picture of it
[09:20] <travis9> http://makarov.com/cz52/
[09:20] <travis9> its not much to look at
[09:21] <travis9> it will go thru type I and II kevlar with ease
[09:21] <travis9> with a .223 caliber sabotted round layer III just as easy i'm sure
[09:22] <Rebec> oh it's small
[09:22] <travis9> eh, not really
[09:22] <Rebec> I thought it was bigger
[09:23] <travis9> relative to other handguns its fair sized
[09:23] <travis9> you'd have to be nuts to try to carry it concealed
[09:23] <Rebec> I see
[09:24] <Rebec> I was thinking about taking the ccw class here
[09:24] <travis9> yah me too
[09:24] <travis9> dunno what i wanna carry tho
[09:25] <travis9> actually i do but i cant afford a 5.7
[09:25] <Rebec> ah
[09:25] <Rebec> I have a small hand
[09:25] <Rebec> so that makes it hard to think about
[09:25] <Rebec> and my husband is anti-gun
[09:25] <travis9> why is he anti gun ?
[09:25] <travis9> he should be anti criminal
[09:25] <Rebec> who knows
[09:25] <travis9> not anti gun
[09:25] <Rebec> he votes for bush
[09:25] <Rebec> and he's anti-gun
[09:25] <travis9> strange
[09:25] <travis9> i voted for nader and i'm progun
[09:25] <travis9> *shrug*
[09:26] <Rebec> you voted for nader
[09:26] <Rebec> why?
[09:26] <travis9> because they through out the signatures to have him on the ballot
[09:26] <Publius> must be LSD
[09:26] * Publius ducks
[09:26] <travis9> do to alledged fraud
[09:26] <travis9> i signed one of those petitions
[09:26] <travis9> i was at an event where a large number of people did same
[09:27] <travis9> i found it hard to believe he didn't have 5,000 legit signatures
[09:27] <travis9> point proven more so when like 18,000 people in ohio voted for him
[09:27] <DeDannan> Bullwinkle is our only hope
[09:27] <RustyFord> heh
[09:27] <travis9> i also didn't like bush or whatshisfuck
[09:27] <travis9> dont even remember his name
[09:27] <travis9> kerry
[09:28] <RustyFord> Mubarak has been one of USA's closest allies in the middle east for quite
[09:28] <travis9> didn't want to waste a chance to vote by abstaining
[09:28] <Rebec> I see
[09:28] <Rebec> good for you
[09:28] <Publius> you mean
[09:28] <Rebec> I vote libertarian
[09:28] <Publius> Pharoh Mubarak*
[09:28] <Publius> heh
[09:28] <Rebec> and I hate when people say voting 3rd party is a wasted vote
[09:28] <DeDannan> I vote Moose and Squirrel
[09:28] <Rebec> Publius what's your deal with Hosni
[09:28] <RustyFord> Publius whats your problem with Mubarak?
[09:28] <travis9> no vote is a wasted vote except not voting
[09:29] <Publius> Sudan, Somalia, and al-qaeda training sites in the Saharah
[09:29] <Publius> sahara
[09:29] <frink> yo yo
[09:29] <Katey> DeDonna Moose and skwirrel lefits
[09:29] <travis9> gives people the courage to choose someone else besides the two favorites
[09:29] <RustyFord> and how is that Egypts fault?
[09:29] <FreeAlwys> Oh man, Bad back day.
[09:29] <DeDannan> Kaeity taht a dam lye!
[09:29] <Publius> I didn't say that, im working to my blame
[09:29] <FreeAlwys> Damn this is nasty election season..
[09:29] <RustyFord> FT =/
[09:30] <travis9> plus the two parties do take notice of votes that neither of them got
[09:30] <travis9> a measure of the public's disenchantment with either party
[09:30] <Rebec> travis I agree
[09:30] <travis9> certainly a potential vote to be had next time around
[09:30] <Rebec> Publius Sudan tried to assassinate Hosni
[09:31] <FreeAlwys> I think the republicans are making a huge mistake not working for a compr
[09:31] <Rebec> they trained and financed assassins and everything
[09:31] <Publius> rofl
[09:31] <RustyFord> FT, as i said earlier the partisanship of American politics over the war
[09:31] <travis9> i'm not sure how much help anything is for the dems
[09:31] <Publius> maybe
[09:31] <travis9> i dont like the right at all these days
[09:32] <Publius> if he would allow serious criticism...
[09:32] <Publius> or even difference in political belief..
[09:32] <TheTailor> FT, I'm not sure it divides the party.
[09:32] <travis9> pandering to the public, sensational propaganda and craft use of language.
[09:32] <Publius> look at the fucking literacy rates
[09:32] <FreeAlwys> The fact is Republicans on immigration and Democrats, ignore the increase
[09:32] <DeDannan> travis9, not much 'disenchantment' lately...since 3rd party voting has bee
[09:32] <travis9> but the dems, they are just out of touch with the public, out of touch with
[09:32] <RustyFord> Publius, and thats Egypts fault how?
[09:33] <FreeAlwys> TT, Oh it does. Apparently in the Arizona Election yesterday it was the
[09:33] <RustyFord> you can lead people to books but you can't make them read
[09:33] <Publius> RustyFord he's been president for 30 years.
[09:33] <Rebec> bah Hosni's not so bad
[09:33] <Publius> 30 years
[09:33] <RustyFord> again
[09:33] <RustyFord> you can lead people to books but you can't make them read
[09:33] <Publius> my main beef is the political dissent stuff
[09:33] <Rebec> Publius granted
[09:33] <Publius> and
[09:33] <Rebec> BUT most countries are that way
[09:33] <Publius> the prisons
[09:33] <FreeAlwys> Anyway, we will see how the elections play out.
[09:33] <RustyFord> you mean the politicals that want to impose the strictest form of Islam o
[09:34] <RustyFord> heh
[09:34] <TheTailor> Ft, AZ maybe, but what about nationally?
[09:34] <FreeAlwys> I suppose it will differe from state to state.
[09:34] <RustyFord> like the Muslim Brotherhood?
[09:34] <FreeAlwys> In AZ it was a huge issue.
[09:34] <travis9> they are training cops here, iirc
[09:34] <RustyFord> yah know the same "Brotherhood" Zawahiri came from?
[09:34] <Publius> RustyFord no
[09:34] <travis9> to like hand over illegals to authorities
[09:34] <travis9> if they get caught in another crime
[09:34] <Publius> I mean the people who honestly are not terrorists
[09:34] <travis9> or maybe that was nationally
[09:34] <Publius> they may speak a bit whacko
[09:34] <travis9> *shrug*
[09:34] <Publius> but part of the reason they do, is because they don't have political freedo
[09:35] <DeDannan> as has been said about other dictators.."he's an SOB...but he's OUR SOB"..
[09:35] <RustyFord> Publius, what about the reforms that have taken place already? they don't
[09:35] <Publius> they do count
[09:35] <travis9> i'm not sure there is a muslim brotherhood
[09:35] <travis9> if there is, then there are at least 2
[09:35] <travis9> or 3 actually
[09:35] <FreeAlwys> TT, I just dont understand the logic, We know we arent getting rid of the
[09:35] <FreeAlwys> So we can work of a myth.. Or we deal with reality.
[09:35] <FreeAlwys> of = off.
[09:36] <travis9> wahbism or whatever in saudi, shiite, sunni, and probably some others
[09:36] <Publius> but is it ever ok to restrict certain "inalienable" rights?
[09:36] <DarthBurg> the 12 million that are here we send home. get rid of the Dept of Ed to
[09:36] <RustyFord> I just love how democrats are blaming Bush for illegal immigration and no
[09:36] <FreeAlwys> And so punish those here with fines. And then take them in and biometrica
[09:36] <DarthBurg> Yes, Thanks Ted Kennedy
[09:36] <FreeAlwys> Its a lot easier going after 100k bad guys than 12 million.
[09:37] <TheTailor> FT, actually it can happen, and it's happened in the past, but it's not g
[09:37] <travis9> i dont see how you give Ted Kennedy the credit for shaping the immigration
[09:37] <Publius> RustyFord I guess i want to see soem tough talk aimed at egypt and saudi
[09:37] <FreeAlwys> We are not going to send them home Darth, Not one politician really belie
[09:37] <Publius> I don;t care, if they have difficult situatiosn
[09:37] <RustyFord> Publius, yes in some cases when those inalienable rights are used to forc
[09:37] <Publius> I am reasonable, but there is a time
[09:37] <Rebec> I don't see how ted kennedy became head of the education committee
[09:37] <travis9> there are 534 other congressmen
[09:37] <Rebec> that scares me
[09:37] <FreeAlwys> So deal with them in a way which favors your position given that reality.
[09:37] <TheTailor> NO welfare whatsoever for illegals.
[09:37] <TheTailor> NONE
[09:37] <DarthBurg> actually, the 12 million is easily managable. hell, if you just took the
[09:38] <Publius> RustyFord then you have rule of law to protect the citizens.
[09:38] <e-Hernick> None! Not even emergency medical services!
[09:38] <travis9> <DarthBurg> actually, the 12 million is easily managable. hell, if y
[09:38] <Publius> innocent until proven guilty...
[09:38] <travis9> estimatesd place that 50%
[09:38] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, they can go to the doctor like everyone else.
[09:38] <FreeAlwys> Punish them, Fine them all $4k or 5K, Dont give them citizenship, give th
[09:38] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: what if they can't pay?
[09:38] <travis9> agreed, get rid of the criminals
[09:38] <FreeAlwys> Darth, the federal government says logistically they could never do it.
[09:38] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, the doctor will still see them.
[09:38] <RustyFord> Publius, the rule of law..... and who decides what the rule of law is? Sh
[09:38] <DarthBurg> travis9 yes, if they get caught breaking the law, they wake in mexico. s
[09:38] <FreeAlwys> But I will say more. Politically they would never do it.
[09:38] <FreeAlwys> Its just reality.
[09:38] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: isn't that a form of welfare?
[09:39] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys they are full of shit.
[09:39] <travis9> freealwys: of course the government cant do it
[09:39] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, not on the back of the taxpayer, no
[09:39] <travis9> but i bet halliburton can
[09:39] <RustyFord> Publius, you want it both ways and you can't have it=)
[09:39] <e-Hernick> FreeAlwys: what about families? What if you have a working man supporting
[09:39] <Publius> Rusty in egypt? i honestly don't know
[09:39] <FreeAlwys> Republican majorities wont do it because the harm it would do the economy
[09:39] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, it's like lawyers doing pro bono
[09:39] <travis9> i bet they will bill for the removal of 28 million illegals too
[09:39] <Publius> you can have it both ways damnit
[09:39] <FreeAlwys> What you have is a strong republican core which wants them out, but they
[09:39] <Publius> and I am shooting for a middle spot
[09:39] <Publius> not having both
[09:39] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys is this the same outfit that manages everything from enviroment
[09:39] <RustyFord> Publius, if you put in even a MODERATE muslim in to power they are more l
[09:39] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, what would they have in Mexico?
[09:39] <FreeAlwys> All its going to do is tear the party apart.
[09:39] <RustyFord> that is the problem in Egypt
[09:40] <Publius> RustyFord I'm not saying replace Mubarak
[09:40] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: I suppose they would have even less. But still, somebody has t
[09:40] <Publius> or put in a moderate
[09:40] <RustyFord> then what are you saying?
[09:40] <DarthBurg> Moderates should seriously consider their views if they are important eno
[09:40] <DarthBurg> er the party excuse me
[09:40] <FreeAlwys> Darth, No but facing reality is, Gripes are useless.. Looking at what is,
[09:40] <RustyFord> Darth exactly
[09:40] <DarthBurg> Moderates should seriously consider their views if they are important eno
[09:40] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, easy to say when you are in Canada, is it ok if we send them t
[09:40] <RustyFord> you have to think about the consequences of "immediate action"
[09:41] <RustyFord> look at our "immediate actions" at the birth of this nation
[09:41] <Publius> RustyFord that mubarak, justified or not, being kind of a brutal 30 year pr
[09:41] <Publius> LOL
[09:41] <RustyFord> some 80 years later we were in a civil war in which more americans were k
[09:41] <FreeAlwys> This isnt an issue which will be decided on angry partisans, enough ameri
[09:41] <Publius> HOWEVER
[09:41] <Publius> Mubarak did get elected...
[09:42] <Publius> 2005 was just the fire year another party could run
[09:42] <Publius> lolol
[09:42] <travis9> listen
[09:42] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: as a canadian who would like to be able to work in the US at w
[09:42] <RustyFord> Publius, and?
[09:42] <FreeAlwys> If you are against Illegals a compromise is better than nothing getting d
[09:42] <travis9> the problem with immigration reform is... too many people care what the peo
[09:42] <DarthBurg> the vast majority of americans want the fucking LAW APPLIED, which means
[09:42] <Publius> RustyFord that is one difference between mubarak and the shah
[09:42] <RustyFord> so democratic reforms are coming to Egypt slowly but surely, as i said, i
[09:43] <TheTailor> e-Hernick, heh, nice dodge :-)
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> But anyway. what happened in the other elections any big surprises ?
[09:43] <travis9> if they want their day in court, they can have one, but not in public
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> What about mfume ?
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> I pray he lost
[09:43] <RustyFord> he lost
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> GREAT
[09:43] <RustyFord> Shrillary won =/
[09:43] <DeDannan> Chaffee won
[09:43] <Publius> Rusty i think al-qaeda by means of sudan, somalia
[09:43] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: Well, your question itself was a dodge :) I asked who should p
[09:43] <travis9> it makes me angry to no end that the very people that break laws are being
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> Well actually he might had been a better candidate for the gop to beat in
[09:43] <Publius> and islamic jihad rallying to zawahiri
[09:43] <DarthBurg> chaffee won? thats to damn bad.
[09:43] <FreeAlwys> I jsut dont like him.
[09:43] <Publius> not to mention old brotherhood friends
[09:44] <FreeAlwys> He won ?
[09:44] <FreeAlwys> Great.
[09:44] <DarthBurg> DeDannan just the primary right?
[09:44] <DeDannan> yep
[09:44] <travis9> no one puts me on a soapbox and gives me tv time for bitching about how smo
[09:44] <Rebec> travis lol
[09:44] <travis9> no one puts a pedophile on tv to talk about how its ok to molest kids
[09:44] <FreeAlwys> The control of the senate was said to very possibly hinge on whether chaf
[09:44] <DeDannan> not sure which democrat Chaffee will face in November
[09:44] <Publius> i've done confused myself
[09:44] <Publius> lol
[09:44] <travis9> wtf do i see illegal latin americans on tv bitching about our immigration l
[09:44] <DarthBurg> republicans really should give Chaffe, lugar and snowe the Lieberman shov
[09:44] <Rebec> Publius I am lost
[09:45] <FreeAlwys> CHafee liberal or not, he is a Republican and he does give the Senate to
[09:45] <Rebec> wtf are you talking about?
[09:45] <FreeAlwys> Or one more body
[09:45] <RustyFord> Chaffee won which is fine, if he would have lost Laffey wouldn't have won
[09:45] <Rebec> travis and they are illegals so they should go home
[09:45] <FreeAlwys> Assuming he wins the general.
[09:45] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys only at the majority level, other wise chaffee is just like a d
[09:45] <Publius> Rebec im talkin about mubarak getting knocked out of power by al-qaeda/suda
[09:45] <Rebec> oh
[09:45] <RustyFord> I can't stand Chaffee, but i'd rather have him than a democract
[09:45] <DeDannan> one of the nastiest races so far is for Frist's seat in Tennessee...
[09:45] <Rebec> yeah I was telling you how Sudan tried to take him out didn't I?
[09:45] <Publius> Rebec not directly...just from instability
[09:45] <travis9> its like wtf, i really dont want them here, look at what kind of guests the
[09:46] <Rebec> Publius oh no they directly tried to take him out in 95
[09:46] <travis9> you ask them to leave, and they throw a fit
[09:46] <RustyFord> Publius and you wonder why Mubarak rules with an iron fist?
[09:46] <DarthBurg> DeDannan Frist should be fighting for his political life, the senate lead
[09:46] <travis9> its like that drunk asshole you always have to ask leave your party
[09:46] <DeDannan> DarthBurg, Frist isn't running again
[09:46] <RustyFord> thats like trying to stay a puff ball in a shaken box if sharp glass
[09:46] <Publius> RustyFord sometiems that iran fist creates enemies you just cannot fight
[09:46] <RustyFord> if = of
[09:46] <DarthBurg> if having the majority means we have three people who do not share our vi
[09:46] <RustyFord> Publius, the enemies were already there
[09:46] <RustyFord> the extremists were already there
[09:47] <DarthBurg> DeDannan so its an open field?
[09:47] <Publius> RustyFord yeah, but if he slips AT ALL, and is un fair...
[09:47] <travis9> we should give iraq to iran in exchange for testing some new and improved m
[09:47] <RustyFord> or don't you remember Saddat being gunned down because of his peace treat
[09:47] <e-Hernick> Well, no matter what happens, it's clear that those 12 million illegal im
[09:47] <Publius> that means someone will speak of it
[09:47] <RustyFord> ohh wait
[09:47] <RustyFord> you probably don't remember Saddat
[09:47] <Publius> i know he got killed
[09:47] <Publius> you
[09:47] <Publius> egypt got botoed from the arab league
[09:47] <travis9> e-hernick: its called cops on a beat and paitience
[09:47] <RustyFord> so what?
[09:47] <e-Hernick> Politicians who want 12 million immigrants out of here know full well it'
[09:47] <Publius> and no i wasn't alive
[09:47] <Publius> LOL
[09:47] <travis9> you dont need the us military
[09:47] <RustyFord> they stood on principal
[09:47] <FreeAlwys> Darth, We have always had 3 people who dont share the rights view.. Of co
[09:47] <travis9> there is a standing one in every us city
[09:48] <travis9> more capable of civil work than the military
[09:48] <e-Hernick> There are not enough cops...
[09:48] <travis9> the only thing our military is good at is killing and destroying
[09:48] <travis9> e-hernick: there must be, not everyone is addicted to crack or smack
[09:48] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys it takes a RIGHT WINGER to win 49 states. the american people
[09:48] <e-Hernick> Deporting 12 million people...
[09:48] <RustyFord> travis apparently you don't remember that it was our military who helped
[09:49] <RustyFord> *crickets*
[09:49] <e-Hernick> travis9: what, are you saying that the only thing preventing crime and vi
[09:49] <Rebec> hernick why not we have all these welfare people who can do the labor
[09:49] <FreeAlwys> If this democracy demands things I object to, or I think this country was
[09:49] <Rebec> deporting is nicer than shooting them all
[09:49] <FreeAlwys> Example Medicare D a success by all measures.
[09:49] <travis9> e-hernick: no, i picked two highly addictive vices
[09:49] <travis9> things that good people still have to fear in a dangerous society
[09:49] <FreeAlwys> Had the democrats dont it it would of cost double and it would have very
[09:50] <Publius> well
[09:50] <Publius> ok
[09:50] <travis9> yes it would be horrible, kids smoking crack at recess
[09:50] <Publius> egyot has a sound legislative branch
[09:50] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys sorry, the way to salvation is not through being donkey lite, i
[09:50] <Publius> and judicial
[09:50] <Rebec> donkey lite?
[09:50] <RustyFord> Publius watch this
[09:50] <FreeAlwys> Ive always voted like tatician not as an ideologue. If I voted as an ideo
[09:50] <DarthBurg> Republicans expanding the fed because "The donkeys do it worse"
[09:50] <Publius> Rusty do you agree? egypt has a good parliament and judiciary?
[09:51] <RustyFord> "foreigners" can still go into Egypt and do research on ancient Egypt
[09:51] <travis9> the scary thing is alot of tools are in place to deal with deporting people
[09:51] <travis9> like patriot act stuff
[09:51] <Publius> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:51] <travis9> especially laws making it a crime not to produce 'papers'
[09:51] <DarthBurg> oh, I am well aware of cutting ones losses and dealing with reality, but
[09:51] <Publius> that means violent opposition groups
[09:51] <RustyFord> if muslim extremists came to power in Egypt the pyramids and all of it wo
[09:51] <Publius> aren't really a big threatt
[09:51] <e-Hernick> Does anybody here believe that it would be possible for existing american
[09:51] <RustyFord> not true!
[09:52] <DarthBurg> e-Hernick Yes.
[09:52] <travis9> absolutely
[09:52] <FreeAlwys> In my district I am voting for the more leftwing candidate, because Its b
[09:52] <RustyFord> Publius every now and then you will hear about extremists firing on touri
[09:52] <travis9> its called a 'task force'
[09:52] <FreeAlwys> Tactician.
[09:52] <RustyFord> and or taking them hostage
[09:52] <travis9> you set them up in 'metropolitan areas'
[09:52] <Publius> egypt always ends it
[09:52] <Publius> they are good
[09:52] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys yeah In cali, its bad and worse.
[09:52] <FreeAlwys> Look at reality, Look at the choices, make the best of a sometimes poor c
[09:52] <RustyFord> and thank god that Egyptians usually kick the asses of these extremist gr
[09:52] <DarthBurg> I was hoping to avoid that at the federal level.
[09:52] <FreeAlwys> Darth, California will be gop in 10 years, based on demographics.
[09:53] <Publius> RustyFord it's just damn hard to tell with the middle east
[09:53] <RustyFord> in someways I am glad that Mubarak isn't hamstrung by idiotic "play nice"
[09:53] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys I know.
[09:53] <FreeAlwys> And it has swung back and forth historically.
[09:53] <Publius> hahaha
[09:53] <FreeAlwys> 10 years od dems, 10 years of gop
[09:53] <FreeAlwys> 10 years of dems
[09:53] <DarthBurg> the Donkeys are shrinking
[09:53] <DarthBurg> just the problem is, the Republicans are turning into donkeys
[09:53] <FreeAlwys> MoonBeam, Reagan, Nixon,
[09:53] <pilgrim`> so when do we get 10 years of the Bull Moose Party?
[09:53] <Publius> RustyFrod how would you compare Egypt to Saudi Arabia?
[09:54] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, as soon as I can convince folks that Bullwinkle is our only hope
[09:54] <pilgrim`> Publius Saudi has no river
[09:54] <RustyFord> VERY VERY VERY open compared to Saudi
[09:54] <DarthBurg> when the bull moose party tales a hard run at local, entrenched democrats
[09:54] <Publius> ROFL
[09:54] <RustyFord> VERY open
[09:54] <pilgrim`> teenie weanie chile beany
[09:54] <FreeAlwys> Now congress is complaining about funding the ports deal for security, du
[09:54] <FreeAlwys> God that was a mistake.
[09:54] <DarthBurg> Bullwinkle could save us
[09:54] <Publius> RustyFord but are the saudis playing the balance game right?
[09:54] <RustyFord> Publius whats so funny?
[09:54] <DeDannan> Darth, he's our only hope
[09:54] <FreeAlwys> To deny them some port managment
[09:54] <Publius> do they have municipal elections?
[09:54] <DeDannan> MOOSE AND SQUIRREL!
[09:54] <pilgrim`> look it up btw; Bull Moose party was TR's 3rd part bid that did rather we
[09:54] <FreeAlwys> Its coming bakc to Bite americans.
[09:54] <DeDannan> MOOSE AND SQUIRREL!
[09:55] <Publius> I just don't consider Egypt "open"
[09:55] <RustyFord> Publius yeap Saudi has local elections but! they don't allow women to run
[09:55] <Publius> and someone very very open compared to heh
[09:55] <FreeAlwys> Pilgrim what percentage of the vote ?
[09:55] <pilgrim`> Publius yes, it is somewhat...........entombed
[09:55] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, yep..and insured the election of Wilson :)
[09:55] <FreeAlwys> No 3rd party inmy lifetime has got over 15% of the vote.
[09:55] <FreeAlwys> Anderson and perot and who else ?
[09:55] <Publius> Rusty what can women do in terms of..business?
[09:55] <RustyFord> in fact Publius Saudis just passed a "decree" that won't allow women into
[09:55] <DeDannan> Perot got 18%
[09:56] <Publius> yah I've been following that
[09:56] <DeDannan> in 1992
[09:56] <Rebec> Rusty pretty soon Saudi will outlaw women all together
[09:56] <Publius> it won't fly in the long run, i don't think so
[09:56] <DarthBurg> third parties need to get elected locally first, they continue to deny th
[09:56] <pilgrim`> Free I donno man. dates generals times stats. boy! you expect a lot from
[09:56] <Publius> Rebec lol
[09:56] <RustyFord> you can't really compare Saudi to Egypt
[09:56] <DeDannan> Anderson only got 6%
[09:56] <FreeAlwys> Pilgrim haha..
[09:56] <Publius> RustyFord and Pakistan?
[09:56] <RustyFord> its like apples and oranges
[09:56] <Rebec> Darth I got 10% of the vote as a libertarian here locally, we have some liber
[09:56] <Rebec> Publius :)
[09:56] <pilgrim`> Oranges has a new computer?
[09:56] <RustyFord> Publius uhhh do you not remember Benazhir Bhutto?
[09:57] <RustyFord> the first woman prime minister of Pakistan?
[09:57] <FreeAlwys> I know Anderson didnt get many what did Perot get ? 12% ? And the bullmoo
[09:57] <RustyFord> heh
[09:57] <Publius> LOL{
[09:57] <Publius> nicely done
[09:57] <DeDannan> Perot got 18%
[09:57] <Publius> answered it in one question
[09:57] <Publius> hahaha
[09:57] <DeDannan> in 1992
[09:57] <Rebec> Perot got 18 I thought
[09:57] <Rebec> and bull moose must have done well since TR did get elected
[09:57] <DeDannan> TR got 27%
[09:57] <FreeAlwys> 18% ? Well then thats the best showing in my lifetime for a 3rd party..
[09:57] <DeDannan> in 1912
[09:57] <DarthBurg> when a third party has a couple of states under their belt, and most impo
[09:57] <pilgrim`> TR ended up VP for McKinnley by starting as police comish for NYC same ro
[09:57] <RustyFord> Publius she won the election=)
[09:57] <Publius> RustyFord when?
[09:57] <Publius> oh
[09:57] <FreeAlwys> I will remind people I wasnt alive when teddy ran.
[09:57] <Publius> ROFL!
[09:57] <pilgrim`> then McKinnlye got shot.
[09:57] <Publius> she "won recently?
[09:58] <pilgrim`> little known, TR was shot once too
[09:58] <pilgrim`> he survived.
[09:58] <DeDannan> thus insuring Wilson's election in 1912 by splitting Republican vote betwe
[09:58] <Rebec> publius lol
[09:58] <FreeAlwys> TR was if any president what they accuse Bush of.
[09:58] <pilgrim`> DeDannan yep, the Carter of his day
[09:58] <Publius> pimp daddy musharaf said hell naw
[09:58] <RustyFord> Publius actually........
[09:58] <Publius> LOL see
[09:59] <pilgrim`> "He Kept us Out Of War" wilson
[09:59] <DarthBurg> there are some valid criticisms to be levelled at teddy, but the man love
[09:59] <RustyFord> you do realise that Clinton had a thing for Bhutto right?
[09:59] <FreeAlwys> He was a person who wanted to be an imperialist, he believed in manifest
[09:59] <DeDannan> TR won the Nobel Peace Prize...while in office...somehow I doubt Bush will
[09:59] <pilgrim`> he was a socialist at heart...for the underclasses and he was VERY class c
[09:59] <FreeAlwys> HE was a true war monger..
[09:59] <RustyFord> Bhutto was massively corrupt
[09:59] <FreeAlwys> Ded, So did Arafat
[09:59] <DarthBurg> DeDannan or any republican, for that matter.
[09:59] <DarthBurg> these days.
[09:59] <RustyFord> she deserved everything she got IMHO
[09:59] <DeDannan> DarthBurg, TR was a Republican :)
[09:59] <FreeAlwys> back then conservatives won shit because they were seen as the more ratio
[09:59] <pilgrim`> you need to kill of a few hundred thousand to get a Peace Prize
[10:00] <DarthBurg> give a thrid world country a nuke plant, and they give ya an honorable me
[10:00] <FreeAlwys> Today all these awards groups are taken over by the left
[10:00] <DeDannan> Free..and Arafat was never President :)
[10:00] <DarthBurg> DeDannan those days are gone.
[10:00] <RustyFord> give a third world a nuke plant and they think they are a world power
[10:00] <FreeAlwys> ded, Actually he was.
[10:00] <RustyFord> heh
[10:00] <DeDannan> Free, of the US?
[10:00] <Publius> LMAO!
[10:00] <FreeAlwys> President of the Palestinian People.
[10:00] <panini> DeDannan, pretty much only terrorists win the PEace Prize nowadays
[10:00] <Publius> the taliban came to power while she was prime minister
[10:00] <Publius> taliban in afghanistan
[10:00] <FreeAlwys> Ded. TR getting the Peace Award is like a joke.
[10:00] <Publius> how fuckin ironic
[10:00] <FreeAlwys> Its Like Arafat getting it.
[10:00] <DarthBurg> Yassir was an egyptian, and a terrorist thug, and I am glad he is dead.
[10:00] <pilgrim`> Arafat was a crook terrorist and opertunist hoodlum and that was on his g
[10:01] <panini> getting the Peace Prize is now considered a huge insult
[10:01] <DarthBurg> c'mon Fidel! kick the BUCKET
[10:01] <Rebec> pilgrim lol
[10:01] <FreeAlwys> Darth talking about Donkey as you like to refer to him, Teddy was perhaps
[10:01] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, negotiating the end of a war between Russia and Japan isn't a '
[10:01] <RustyFord> Publius yeah she claimed that her administration wasn't supporting Taliba
[10:01] <pilgrim`> Darth Cuba say it with High Fidel-ity
[10:01] <FreeAlwys> He locked up more federal lands and restricted them from private parties
[10:01] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys Oh, I am well aware of Teddy's reign. but the man loved his co
[10:01] <panini> almost always the Peace Prize is awarded to violent fuckers
[10:01] <FreeAlwys> Darth, I doubt many presidents didnt love their country.
[10:02] <RustyFord> Publius I think my opinion from things that I have read that Musharraff t
[10:02] <pilgrim`> TR Liked winchester rifles over Remmingtons. the man had taste
[10:02] <FreeAlwys> panini yep
[10:02] <FreeAlwys> He was cavaliar and arguably manic.
[10:02] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys I think thats open to debate. Carter loved his country so much
[10:02] <RustyFord> Publius Musharraf has alot more balls than Mubarak though=)
[10:02] <asserole> The Republican National Committee (RNC) will spend its entire bank account
[10:02] <panini> violent bitches like Betty Williams
[10:02] <RustyFord> he actually put his presidency to a vote
[10:03] <DeDannan> TR was also renowned for "trust busting"...something not in vogue in Repub
[10:03] <DarthBurg> asserole i thought we had CFR?
[10:03] <FreeAlwys> he dominated a generation by his energy, his vast range of interests and
[10:03] <RustyFord> but Musharraf has leadership problems instead of taking an iron fist to t
[10:03] <pilgrim`> whats this I hear that Arnie took a page from the Nixon playbook?
[10:03] <Rebec> Rusty yeah
[10:03] <FreeAlwys> Roosevelt was a Progressive reformer who sought to move the Republican Pa
[10:04] <Rebec> Free I am related to the Roosevelts
[10:04] <FreeAlwys> This republican probably enacted more socialist like programs than any pr
[10:04] <RustyFord> Publius scarey thought, its estimated that Pakistan will have a larger po
[10:04] <panini> DarthBurg, it would have been much longer... it ended only cuz reagan was ab
[10:04] <DeDannan> TR sounds like an evil democrat :)
[10:04] <Rebec> DeDannan lol
[10:04] <pilgrim`> Free he and Morgan has a tussle or two
[10:04] <RustyFord> and the majority of them do not like the USA
[10:04] <DarthBurg> panini I know.
[10:04] <FreeAlwys> Rebec, we are on record as buying land from the Rossevelts
[10:04] <RustyFord> and they have nukes
[10:04] <RustyFord> very scarey thought
[10:04] <DeDannan> Rebec, probably why I like him so much :)
[10:04] <DarthBurg> DeDannan the simularities are striking
[10:04] <Rebec> Free that's cool
[10:04] <FreeAlwys> After he started attacking the courts as biased against labor unions, he
[10:04] <Publius> he ynow
[10:05] <Rebec> DeDannan :) I probably get my temperment from that side of the family tree
[10:05] <FreeAlwys> Left the Party as a Union Goon
[10:05] <Publius> musharaf
[10:05] <pilgrim`> Rusty Mexico City has a larger pop then the US almost
[10:05] <Publius> has some legitimate claim
[10:05] <Publius> RF yer right
[10:05] <DarthBurg> I do not really think any one can say with a straight face that the Democ
[10:05] <RustyFord> i know i am=)
[10:05] <Publius> RF the paki army like the turkish army?
[10:05] <RustyFord> thats what they are trying to model themselves like
[10:05] <FreeAlwys> The dominant personality of the era, he helped redefine masculinity. He p
[10:05] <FreeAlwys> Sound more like a wreckless fool.
[10:06] <panini> everyone knows democrats hate America. I mean, why is there even an argumen
[10:06] <DarthBurg> some dude in Syria said today that US foreign policy is creating terroris
[10:06] <RustyFord> Publius the turkish army completely intrigues me
[10:06] <pilgrim`> every time Turkey's government leans towards the religionists, the Turkish
[10:06] <FreeAlwys> his only strategic victory of great significance for the US was the panam
[10:06] <RustyFord> i would really like to know how the Turks keep themselves seperate from r
[10:06] <Publius> RustyFord check yer msg
[10:06] <pilgrim`> Free the White Fleet
[10:06] <RustyFord> its amazing to me
[10:06] <RustyFord> what messages?
[10:07] <pilgrim`> Rusty coup
[10:07] <FreeAlwys> So one Foreign Policy act of Genius and the rest wreckless and foolish p
[10:07] <pilgrim`> bbl
[10:07] <Publius> lol
[10:07] <Publius> new oens
[10:07] <DarthBurg> in Futurama, Lincoln logs have been renamed clinton logs
[10:07] <FreeAlwys> Anti Buisness, Pro Labor, Ends justified the means, preached morality but
[10:07] <RustyFord> pilgrim yeh but how does the Turkish army stay seperate from the ideologu
[10:08] <RustyFord> how does the turk army stay secular?
[10:08] <RustyFord> that has always piqued my interest
[10:08] <Publius> anything in the constitution?
[10:08] <DarthBurg> i would really like to know how matt groenig comes up with that shit, fun
[10:08] <RustyFord> yeh but publius its just a piece of paper
[10:08] <Publius> structure? traditio
[10:08] <RustyFord> how do you stop the people who populate their army from just saying "Fuck
[10:09] <RustyFord> "I aint following this army shit"
[10:09] <DeDannan> Aside from his conservation efforts, he "busted" trusts bringing the large
[10:09] <Publius> volunteer service?
[10:09] <RustyFord> yeh but still with volunteer service you can implant extremists from your
[10:09] <DarthBurg> Teddy spent money on military, thats not typically a democrat vice.
[10:09] <RustyFord> its extremely interesting
[10:09] <Publius> yah
[10:09] <FreeAlwys> Despite his commitment to conservation, his party, which included scienti
[10:09] <DarthBurg> like I said, the guy loved his country
[10:10] <FreeAlwys> Who paid for his Safari ?
[10:10] <Publius> RustyFord I bet the democracy has a large part of it tooo
[10:10] <FreeAlwys> Today a President would be impeached for it.
[10:10] <Publius> I think turks in general DESPISE religious fundamentalism
[10:10] <DarthBurg> their are arguments today, perfectly valid, about large corporations.
[10:10] <RustyFord> Publius have you ever seen the way they practise islam?
[10:10] <DarthBurg> the US Navy has a sub called the "USS Jimmy Carter"
[10:11] <RustyFord> the "Whirling divirshes"
[10:11] <RustyFord> its amazing
[10:11] <Publius> yah
[10:11] <Publius> makes me think of like tai chi
[10:11] <RustyFord> hah no
[10:11] <DeDannan> um..TR's safari came after he was President...so I assume he paid for it h
[10:11] <RustyFord> these guys spin around and around and around
[10:11] <Publius> i know
[10:11] <Publius> but perfectly
[10:11] <FreeAlwys> At the convention Roosevelt cried out, "We stand at Armageddon and we ba
[10:12] <FreeAlwys> The GOP today would burn this man at the stake.
[10:12] <RustyFord> hehehe Jimmy carter is a sub
[10:12] <RustyFord> hahaha
[10:12] <RustyFord> ohh thats just so fitting
[10:12] <DarthBurg> an attack sub, the irony is delicious
[10:12] <DeDannan> since TR was a fairly wealthy person...
[10:12] <RustyFord> then you got the USS Ronald Reagan
[10:12] <RustyFord> RAWWWWRRRRRR!!!!
[10:12] <DarthBurg> yes
[10:13] <DarthBurg> who's motto is "Peace, through Strength"
[10:13] <DarthBurg> a really big boat with some really happy sailors
[10:13] <DarthBurg> imagine being assigned to the Jimmy carter, and one of your uncles was a
[10:13] <RustyFord> hahah Darth think about this a subs job is to "duck and run un-detected,
[10:14] <RustyFord> it is VERY befitting of Carter
[10:14] <RustyFord> he ducks and runs pops up and talks shit about the president
[10:14] <DarthBurg> probably the only sub in the fleet with a white flag.
[10:14] <RustyFord> then goes back and hides from the press
[10:14] <DeDannan> Despite riding the crest of an unprecedented wave of popularity, Theodore
[10:14] <DeDannan> Immediately following Taft's inauguration in 1909, T.R. set out for Africa
[10:14] <Publius> RF LO!L!!!
[10:14] <FreeAlwys> Ded, Let me check that. I may have misread.
[10:15] <DarthBurg> imagine being assigned to CVN 76, USS Ronald Reagan, and one of your uncl
[10:15] <FreeAlwys> But to like this man as a democrat you must approve of george Bush only w
[10:15] <RustyFord> anytime there is a major election Carter pops up
[10:16] <DeDannan> In April 1909, he landed in Mambasa with his son Kermit. Roosevelt, at the
[10:16] <DeDannan> Unfortunately for the animals, "collected" in those days was an euphemism
[10:16] <DeDannan> Bagging a charging rhino
[10:16] <RustyFord> then goes away
[10:16] <RustyFord> Lincoln Chaffee preaching "honesty"
[10:16] <RustyFord> hahahha
[10:16] <RustyFord> thats a joke
[10:16] <RustyFord> right?
[10:16] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys actually, I think thats just a load of media bias, just take on
[10:17] <RustyFord> its a one thing to say independence but honesty doesn't cut it for me
[10:17] <DarthBurg> Republicans are running for office and avoiding the republican name. Tha
[10:17] <RustyFord> Chaffee is one of the biggest liars up there
[10:17] <DarthBurg> you made us just like the guys we were trying to beat, thanks a lot.
[10:17] <FreeAlwys> Ok you are right it was right after his presidency and paid for by outsid
[10:17] <RustyFord> FT payed for what?
[10:17] <RustyFord> who?
[10:17] <RustyFord> what?
[10:17] <FreeAlwys> But He did do adventures while in office .
[10:17] <FreeAlwys> His safari to Africa
[10:18] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys oops, modifing your view do to relevant facts is very right win
[10:18] <RustyFord> ahhhhhhh
[10:18] <DeDannan> one of the 'oustide groups' being the Smithsonian Institute
[10:18] <CometBaby> NEW YORK, Sept. 13 (UPI) -- The New York Times Co. will sell its Broadcas
[10:18] <CometBaby> lol .. they're doing just fine :)
[10:18] <DarthBurg> CometBaby the bleeding cotinues, there really is a price for sedition.
[10:18] <Lupine|> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJ115c-hw8&NR
[10:18] <RustyFord> NICE Comet!
[10:18] <CometBaby> keep going the way you are NYT .. and soon there will be NO NYT.
[10:18] <DarthBurg> and there will be much rejoicing
[10:19] <FreeAlwys> I'm as tough as a bull moose." At the convention Roosevelt cried out, "We
[10:19] <FreeAlwys> What more need be said.
[10:19] <RustyFord> I like reading the news in the NYT when i don't have internet
[10:19] <CometBaby> morning FreeTrade :)
[10:19] <RustyFord> but the opinion pieces are soooo bunk
[10:19] <FreeAlwys> Anyone who ever says we stand at the gates of Armegeddon will get my vote
[10:19] <FreeAlwys> hey Comet!
[10:19] <RustyFord> and like with any news paper you have to take what you read with a grain
[10:20] <RustyFord> when i buy a NYT i will buy 3 other papers to get a full view
[10:20] <FreeAlwys> Ded, But you are wrong about his wealth paying for it.
[10:20] <FreeAlwys> National geographic was the other.
[10:20] <Lupine|> CometBaby prior to 9/11 That summer, a federal judge severely chastised
[10:20] <FreeAlwys> So I guess we will take a 50/50 hit on it ;)
[10:20] <Lupine|> Comet: Rusty was able to find out the judge involved.. a political hack ap
[10:20] <RustyFord> oh god you are blasting Teddy Roosevelt?
[10:20] <RustyFord> give it a rest
[10:21] <RustyFord> Teddy didn't do anything that was illegal at the time
[10:21] <Lupine|> Teddy campaigned for the gay voters with his Rough Riders
[10:21] <FreeAlwys> Lupine, A single judges ruling should never be given too much seriousness
[10:21] <FreeAlwys> you can find a single Federal judge as they say to do almost anything you
[10:21] <FreeAlwys> The right can as well as the left.
[10:22] <DarthBurg> but they do not.
[10:22] <FreeAlwys> Though with the left its a habit.
[10:22] <RustyFord> Lupine yeh Judge Digg, if you can find the statement that Carter made the
[10:22] <Lupine|> sure, but the mainstream media evidently has chosen to ignore this ruling
[10:22] <RustyFord> the VERY same day
[10:22] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, it was merely a guess on my part..I had no idea who payed for i
[10:22] <RustyFord> i was shocked that no one linked the two
[10:22] <Lupine|> or rather, cover it up.
[10:22] <FreeAlwys> Lupine and the mainstream media doesnt educate the public to understand h
[10:22] <RustyFord> Carter made a statement and announced his new book at the same time
[10:23] <Pikalo> hi all
[10:23] <Lupine|> nice.. his personal $$$ before the welfare of the country
[10:23] <FreeAlwys> This could be blatently political on the part of the judge to harm the mi
[10:23] <DarthBurg> Lupine| got a url?
[10:23] <Pikalo> thats why money is the root of evil
[10:23] <Lupine|> FA: this ruling was prior to 9/11 and in fact, what axed a significant pr
[10:23] <Lupine|> darth: got that from rusty ;-)
[10:23] <FreeAlwys> Even if part of her ruling stands, a lot of it will be tossed. And her re
[10:23] <DarthBurg> bah, money is not the root of all evil. stupidity is by far more culpab
[10:24] <Pikalo> i didnt say all evil
[10:24] <Pikalo> and i disagree
[10:24] <DarthBurg> of course you do
[10:24] <FreeAlwys> Money is not the root of evil at all. Often lack of money is.
[10:24] <DarthBurg> bingo
[10:24] <DarthBurg> economics go up, crime goes down.
[10:24] <FreeAlwys> More people have been murdered and robbed who didnt have money than who w
[10:24] <DarthBurg> shocker
[10:24] <Pikalo> it dosnt matter whether you lack it or not
[10:24] <FreeAlwys> If everyone had lots of money crime would plummet.
[10:24] <DeDannan> ahem...its the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil...
[10:25] <DeDannan> not money itself
[10:25] <Pikalo> yea exactly
[10:25] <DarthBurg> Pikalo oh sure rich people are bad to. this is true. Money still is not
[10:25] <Pikalo> so money is still the root of evil
[10:25] <DarthBurg> we have bad people where there is no money
[10:25] <Pikalo> whether you lack it or not, money is money
[10:25] <RustyFord> it was either a book, or it was just Carter came out with a statement bla
[10:25] <RustyFord> and he was in Vienna or in Cuba
[10:25] <Pikalo> i never said it was 'all' problems
[10:25] <RustyFord> he may have been in Cuba
[10:25] <DeDannan> Pikalo, incorrect....that is a misquote
[10:25] <Pikalo> more money more problems
[10:25] <DarthBurg> actually, no, money requires capitalism. its a system
[10:25] <Pikalo> end
[10:25] <Pikalo> lol
[10:25] <DarthBurg> requires rules n stuff
[10:25] <RustyFord> i just know that he came the fuck out the same day with this big statemen
[10:25] <FreeAlwys> The improper perspective of money I agree is or can be evil ? Evil is a s
[10:25] <DarthBurg> and when people break the rules, well, thats evil.
[10:26] <DarthBurg> even some rules can be evil. again, money is not the problem.
[10:26] <FreeAlwys> Obsession with any material thing is in my opinion folly since we can all
[10:26] <Pikalo> money is the root of evil! :)
[10:26] <DarthBurg> no.
[10:26] <RustyFord> I would like to know how much money is spent on protecting these "former
[10:27] <RustyFord> i bet that would be facinating
[10:27] <FreeAlwys> And the people who jump our of windows places the value of their lifestyl
[10:27] <DeDannan> to use a favorite Chesterton quote..."Among the rich you will never find a
[10:27] <RustyFord> because they are still afforded presidential security
[10:27] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo Based on what logic ?
[10:27] <Pikalo> free u mean the ppl who jmped from wtc>
[10:27] <Pikalo> ??
[10:27] <DarthBurg> those people were on fire, thats different
[10:27] <panini> Pikalo, democrats don't want you to see those pics
[10:28] <Pikalo> ok, just checking
[10:28] <DarthBurg> jumping out the window when your stock pick takes a dive is wholly differ
[10:28] <Pikalo> yea but i dont care about democrats
[10:28] <Pikalo> :)
[10:28] <FreeAlwys> Ded , Do thats your revealed opinion of the rich. I have no love for not
[10:28] <DarthBurg> well, be careful, blaming problem son inanimate objects is very donkey li
[10:28] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo, No the wtc didnt go down in 1929.
[10:28] <FreeAlwys> think about what did.
[10:28] <DeDannan> DarthBurg, or when your entire portfolio loses half its value in 2 days..a
[10:29] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo is your view based on religion or reason ? Because to simply repea
[10:29] <Pikalo> oh, wasnt sure what u meant when u said 29, but I see
[10:29] <Pikalo> free my view based on democrats?
[10:29] <DarthBurg> DeDannan ayup, that works to.
[10:29] <FreeAlwys> Your view that money is evil
[10:29] <RustyFord> uhhh, actually... FDR's governorship in NY has been linked to the stock m
[10:29] <Pikalo> freealwys its just a famous quote
[10:29] <CometBaby> Democrat on the take: Senator took in at least $300,000 from nonprofit
[10:29] <DarthBurg> blaming problems on inanimate objects is very donkey like.
[10:30] <Pikalo> and i do believe it
[10:30] <RustyFord> he enacted a law that caused a panic
[10:30] <RustyFord> it had to do with gold and silver
[10:30] <DarthBurg> CometBaby thats nothing new, its Jersey.
[10:30] <FreeAlwys> Darth, The claims of stock brokers jumping out windows was vastly mytholo
[10:30] <FreeAlwys> I dont know how many actually did
[10:30] <FreeAlwys> 1 or 2 ?
[10:30] <RustyFord> don't quote me on the details
[10:30] <DarthBurg> FreeAlwys i am aware
[10:30] <Pikalo> oh ur talking about black sunday or whatever
[10:30] <DarthBurg> i gotta go
[10:31] <Pikalo> er
[10:31] <RustyFord> FT, thats what i have read to
[10:31] <Pikalo> i see
[10:31] <RustyFord> window jumpers were greatly exagerated
[10:31] <Pikalo> 1929 is far before my time
[10:31] <RustyFord> a couple did but not many
[10:32] <Pikalo> the more you have, the farther you fall
[10:32] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo its a religious quote, but DeDannan was closer in interpreting it
[10:33] <FreeAlwys> But a man who does no harm to me is not guilty of being rich simply becau
[10:33] <Pikalo> freealwys yea, i agree.. i duno why everyone jumped on me about that quote t
[10:33] <TheTailor> Whooaa, lets hear it for PBS! Belly dancing exercise class :-)
[10:33] <RustyFord> TheTailor has his bells on
[10:33] <FreeAlwys> the wealthy provide the meat and potatoes for every person on this channe
[10:33] <RustyFord> hehe
[10:34] <FreeAlwys> That in itself has virtue.
[10:34] <FreeAlwys> The mere use of money is virtuous
[10:34] <TheTailor> Not me, I'm just an observer
[10:34] <Pikalo> feealwys but we provide them also
[10:34] <Pikalo> without us they wouldnt have that money
[10:34] <RustyFord> hahahha TheTailor yeh i only read the articles in playboy too!
[10:34] <Pikalo> aka economy
[10:34] <FreeAlwys> the creation of a company is virtuous if its honest and it employs people
[10:34] <FreeAlwys> absolutely the best welfare is a job
[10:34] <panini> jesus was largely a socialist, because he came before adam smith
[10:34] <FreeAlwys> and absolutely the lower the taxes the more jobs
[10:35] <FreeAlwys> To a degree..
[10:35] <RustyFord> panini actually Jesus had an accountant=))
[10:35] <panini> yes, a jew
[10:35] <FreeAlwys> There is of course a point where you pass the lower end of the laffer cur
[10:35] <RustyFord> heh
[10:35] <RustyFord> Jesus wasn't a jew?
[10:35] <DeDannan> and it was the accountant who betrayed Him...
[10:35] <RustyFord> huh, interesting
[10:35] <panini> he was a jew...
[10:35] <Pikalo> rusty welcome to earth?
[10:35] <panini> just a bad jew :P
[10:35] <RustyFord> Pikalo?
[10:36] * RustyFord raises an eyebrow
[10:36] <Pikalo> jesus mother was a jew
[10:36] <FreeAlwys> Jesus was a jew in culture and in breeding, but not in theology. since he
[10:36] <FreeAlwys> Jesus Father was likely a Roman Sentry.
[10:36] <Pikalo> yea jesus was a jew i thought everyone knew that
[10:36] <FreeAlwys> OR a jewish rapist, but it seems more likely to me a Roman would be the r
[10:36] <FreeAlwys> I dont know why
[10:36] <FreeAlwys> but if I had to speculate
[10:37] <RustyFord> FT, jesus was a jew, who violated jews strict laws for gentiles=)
[10:37] <FreeAlwys> I do know someone got her pregnant.
[10:37] <RustyFord> and other laws
[10:37] <RustyFord> he was a liberal jew when it came to their strict religious code
[10:37] <Pikalo> nobody got her pregnant
[10:37] <Pikalo> it was a miracle
[10:37] <FreeAlwys> And I presume it was rape since it was common for older gentlement to som
[10:38] <FreeAlwys> An indentured Servant
[10:38] <Pikalo> mary was a virin
[10:38] <Pikalo> virgin
[10:38] <FreeAlwys> Yeah right.
[10:38] <Pikalo> yea she was
[10:38] <FreeAlwys> And I can fly
[10:38] <DeDannan> Joseph didnt know Mary was pregnant at the time of their betrothal...
[10:38] <FreeAlwys> We dont know that.
[10:38] <DeDannan> Matthew and Luke's Gospel are pretty clear on that
[10:38] <RustyFord> it is "theorised" that Mary was pregnant by the result of a rape and came
[10:38] <FreeAlwys> Noone knew that my grandmothers husband knew she was pregnant and yet he
[10:38] <Pikalo> no
[10:39] <FreeAlwys> He wouldnt of said otherwise.
[10:39] <FreeAlwys> it would of been a scandal.
[10:39] <Pikalo> mary was made pregnant by god she was a virgin
[10:39] <FreeAlwys> would have
[10:39] <RustyFord> the Immaculate Conception
[10:39] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo believe what supernatural nonsense as you will.
[10:39] <RustyFord> hahaha
[10:39] <RustyFord> i love that shit
[10:39] <DeDannan> and in fact had planned to quietly 'divorce' her...
[10:39] <FreeAlwys> And the wicked witch of the west was real
[10:39] <randylptp> hi
[10:39] <RustyFord> Joseph got Gods sloppy seconds
[10:39] <DeDannan> Immaculate Conception has nothing whatever to do with the birth of Christ
[10:39] <RustyFord> hehe
[10:40] <Pikalo> yes it does
[10:40] <DeDannan> that doctrine has to do with the birth of Mary...free from original sin
[10:40] <FreeAlwys> Actually dealing in mythology Dedannan, we can discuss the mythology or t
[10:40] <Pikalo> DeDannan yes it does actually
[10:40] <DeDannan> Pikalo, no it doesnt actually
[10:40] <RustyFord> uhhh DeDannan, Jesus was born through immaculate conception
[10:40] <Pikalo> DeDannan um it sure does:)
[10:40] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo it depends on whether you are catholic or protestant.
[10:40] <RustyFord> supposedly in the bible
[10:40] <DeDannan> RustyFord, nope
[10:40] <FreeAlwys> and then what kind of protestant.
[10:41] <FreeAlwys> Since theologians dont agree with each other.
[10:41] <Pikalo> DeDannan immaculate conception is the teaching that Mary was conceived witho
[10:41] <RustyFord> yes Dedannan in the bible Mary's birth isn't even mentioned
[10:41] <Pikalo> DeDannan ok now what were you saying??
[10:41] <DeDannan> google Immaculate Conception...educate yourself...and get back to me :)
[10:41] * CometBaby changes topic to 'Clinton CIA had BinLadin in sights .. did nothing: http://ti
[10:41] <Pikalo> DeDannan i just copied the google definition for u
[10:41] <Pikalo> DeDannan why dotnt you try reading it
[10:41] <L0c0> mmmmm
[10:41] <L0c0> ivanka trump is HOT
[10:41] <FreeAlwys> The catholics can write volumed on a 26 page book of the bible they are t
[10:41] <FreeAlwys> haha
[10:41] <L0c0> she talks w/ total confidence
[10:41] <L0c0> its sexy
[10:41] <DeDannan> Pikalo, why dont you scroll up and read what I said BEFORE you posted that
[10:41] <panini> jesus was NOT born through immaculate conception
[10:42] * L0c0 was
[10:42] <DeDannan> hell I'll save you the trouble
[10:42] <FreeAlwys> Panini, Roman Sentry
[10:42] <panini> that was just an unfortunate translation error much later
[10:42] <DeDannan> Immaculate Conception has nothing whatever to do with the birth of Christ
[10:42] <Pikalo> ok de
[10:42] <FreeAlwys> Or Politician
[10:42] <Pikalo> yep
[10:42] <DeDannan> that doctrine has to do with the birth of Mary...free from original sin
[10:42] <Pikalo> read what u just said
[10:42] <RustyFord> I don't need to Google i will look at the bible that i have in front of m
[10:42] <CometBaby> The dems are busy rewriting the history of what clinton did to get bin la
[10:42] <L0c0> Breaking news: shooting at Dawson College in Montreal, Canada
[10:42] <Pikalo> If she was never conceived how would she give birth?
[10:42] <Pikalo> Clearly they coincide
[10:42] <CometBaby> It was an NBC report with Tom Brokaw .. and someone remembered it.
[10:43] <panini> CometBaby, any accurate portrayal of history makes the democrats look REAL B
[10:43] <bi0h4z4rd> wow
[10:43] <bi0h4z4rd> the woman on the video said my browser was not compatible
[10:43] <L0c0> what url?
[10:43] <Pikalo> DeDannan My friends gf is in the hospital giving birth right now.. Your righ
[10:43] <panini> bi0h4z4rd, you're not her type...
[10:44] <FreeAlwys> L0c0, did you know the story about the Marine general you quoted the othe
[10:44] <Pikalo> dang dedannan you should write a book and enlighten us on all your worldy wi
[10:44] <RustyFord> King James : Now the birth of Christ was on this wise: When as his mother
[10:44] <FreeAlwys> I forget the details but for all I know The General was asked to write a
[10:44] <FreeAlwys> he did say yestedaay that he did not write about the positive events in A
[10:44] <RustyFord> no where does it say that Mary came from immaculate conception
[10:45] <td-> cuz CHRIST DID
[10:45] <Pikalo> RustyFord not mary, jesus
[10:45] <Pikalo> man, what planet are you from
[10:45] <td-> Planet Ignorus
[10:45] <RustyFord> and in fact within the King James bible thats the first sentence after th
[10:45] <FreeAlwys> Pikalo, What about us non believers.. Do you expect for us to believe in
[10:45] <Agent4x> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[10:45] <DeDannan> Pikalo, so you can't...or won't...understand what I was saying...how can I
[10:45] <Pikalo> FreeAlwys believe what you want, its beautiful isin tit?
[10:45] <RustyFord> Pikalo?
[10:45] <RustyFord> can you read?
[10:46] <CometBaby> oh brother are they back to thier screwy idea of what the immaculate conc
[10:46] <RustyFord> i never said Mary was born from immaculate conception
[10:46] <FreeAlwys> Anyway I am getting away from debating religion, I will take some excepti
[10:46] <FreeAlwys> Thats like saying Survival is the root of all evil.
[10:46] <Pikalo> DeDannan I understand just fine, I disagree. You see, there is a difference
[10:46] <CometBaby> I'm not gonna define it for everyone again. Go look it up on the interne
[10:46] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, as would I..since its a misquotation
[10:46] <RustyFord> Pikalo this is twice you have accused me of "being from another planet"
[10:47] <Pikalo> Lol
[10:47] <RustyFord> apparently you have issues
[10:47] <Pikalo> Yea I do, wanna buy one?
[10:47] <panini> Rusty is NOT from another planet...
[10:47] <panini> (because Pluto is no longer considered a planet)
[10:47] <DeDannan> Pikalo, you can disagree all you want...you can disagree that the sum of 2
[10:47] <Publius> LOL
[10:48] <Pikalo> DeDannan Well 2+2 = 4 is the most logical thing i've heard you say =)
[10:48] <RustyFord> DeDannan, so show me where in the bible that Mary was born from Immaculat
[10:48] <RustyFord> if you can=)
[10:48] <DeDannan> Pikalo, well..I had to get simple for you :)
[10:48] <CometBaby> FreeTrade you here?
[10:48] <panini> NO ONE was born from IC, mmmmkay?
[10:48] <Pikalo> DeDannan stay simple, you might stay accurate
[10:48] <DeDannan> RustyFord, the doctrine of Immaculate Conception isnt in the Bible...and w
[10:49] * Publius blinks
[10:49] <Pikalo> DeDannan which bible?
[10:49] <CometBaby> Rape .. change your nick .. its not cute or clever
[10:49] <DeDannan> Pikalo, I'll keep that in mind when talking to you :)
[10:49] <panini> not mary, not jesus, not murray
[10:49] <CometBaby> 5
[10:49] <Pikalo> Funny how people say 'bible' thinking there is only one bible
[10:49] <Pikalo> I laugh
[10:49] <CometBaby> 4
[10:49] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: I did say this as well: [16:03] <L0c0> the General still end
[10:49] <CometBaby> 3
[10:49] <CometBaby> 2
[10:49] <RustyFord> HAHAHHA DeDannan, what other book would you suggest we read if not the bi
[10:49] <DeDannan> Pikalo, lets see...RSV, NRSV, Douay-Rheims, NAS, KJV....
[10:49] <Publius> wtf
[10:49] <Publius> lolol
[10:49] <DeDannan> take your pick :)
[10:50] <CometBaby> lol
[10:50] <Publius> how could you tell?
[10:50] <DeDannan> awwww....
[10:50] <RustyFord> there is only the bible and a bunch of books written that is the opinion
[10:50] <RustyFord> and assumptions
[10:50] <L0c0> fiction!
[10:50] <Publius> Quits; Rape (Religion...)
[10:50] <Publius> he do that?
[10:51] <godfist> pikalo is right tho, there are really 3 bibles
[10:51] <godfist> roman catholic bible, protestant canon and jewish bible
[10:51] <RustyFord> there are more than that
[10:51] <RustyFord> i have a cannon
[10:51] <RustyFord> ;)
[10:51] <killja> Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth
[10:51] <panini> there's also the shakespeare bible
[10:52] <DeDannan> It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conceptio
[10:52] <DeDannan> When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be fo
[10:52] <panini> and the gnostics bible
[10:52] <DeDannan> there we go...
[10:52] <RustyFord> godfist there are many different versions of the koran as well
[10:52] <DeDannan> i know its wordy...but accuracy sometimes necessitates verbosity :)
[10:52] <godfist> rusty-hrm didnt know that
[10:52] <RustyFord> but dedannan is quoting from a book that has no bearing on the bible
[10:52] <panini> DeDannan, that ost was cut off
[10:52] <panini> post
[10:53] <DeDannan> panini, where?
[10:53] <RustyFord> Dedannan i don't remember any of that being in the bible
[10:53] * Pikalo picks up poo and flings it at CometBaby at a high rate of speed. Enjoy your pie =)
[10:53] * FreeAlwys changes topic to 'Chafee wins Rhode Island making it more likely that he will w
[10:53] <panini> "The Immaculate Conception means that Mary"....
[10:53] <RustyFord> Dedannan the lineage of Jesus is traced through the males not through Mar
[10:53] <CometBaby> lol
[10:53] <Agent4x> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[10:53] <CometBaby> I banned him by mistake and messaged him .. so I guess I had that coming
[10:53] <RustyFord> if you ever consider to read the lineages
[10:54] <Publius> nasa-gov???
[10:54] <L0c0> isn't it possible that maybe mary got pregnant by accident, but when asked by
[10:54] <DeDannan> The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought ab
[10:54] <L0c0> but that doesn't sound good
[10:54] <RustyFord> DeDannan, there is nothing in the bible say where Mary came from
[10:54] <L0c0> mary sprung forth from her mother's loins!
[10:54] <DeDannan> When discussing the Immaculate Conception, an implicit reference may be fo
[10:55] <asserole> my thoughts on the GOP retaining the senate? it's more like grief.
[10:55] * aceno picks up poo and flings it into CometBabys face.. Your now 50% more attractive. Enj
[10:55] <panini> again, the IC was a much later invention
[10:55] <RustyFord> and jacob begat Joseph who was married to Mary
[10:55] <RustyFord> thats all it says
[10:55] <panini> so stop talking about it
[10:55] <RustyFord> there is nothing in the bible that ever claims the women in the lineage o
[10:55] <RustyFord> its nothing but the lists of men
[10:55] <DeDannan> panini, just attempting..in vain it would appear...to explain that it refe
[10:55] <RustyFord> including the old testament
[10:56] <L0c0> yesterday's primaries show that local politics do rule
[10:56] <RustyFord> I just showed you there is no reference to Mary's birth
[10:56] <RustyFord> period
[10:56] <RustyFord> nothing
[10:56] <DeDannan> its a common mistake people make...
[10:56] <RustyFord> in fact it doesn't even list whoes Mary's parents were
[10:56] <RustyFord> nor Jacobs
[10:56] <L0c0> you have a moderate that opposed the war in RI winning, and a strong conservat
[10:56] <RustyFord> nor Davids
[10:56] <RustyFord> no Abrahams
[10:57] <L0c0> makes sense that people in/around Tucson would vote for somebody that would be
[10:58] <panini> not really
[10:58] <panini> most of them ARE illegals!
[10:58] <RustyFord> sorry let me rephrase that
[10:59] <L0c0> yeah but they can't vote
[10:59] <L0c0> or at least they shouldn't be voting
[10:59] <RustyFord> in fact it doesn't even list whoes Mary's parents were nor does it mentio
[11:00] <bi0h4z4rd> ty for that topic video
[11:00] <bi0h4z4rd> that was VERY interesting
[11:00] <Publius> air america is gonna file bankruptsy
[11:00] <Publius> bahahahahahahahahahaha
[11:00] <L0c0> who was Chaffee's opponent?
[11:00] <L0c0> Laffey?
[11:00] <L0c0> first...they got a lot of FF'ing names up there
[11:00] <RustyFord> in fact "Mother Mary" gets relegated to nothingness when Jesus later on s
[11:01] <Forbin`> all kinds of breaking news....hostages....shootings in canada
[11:01] <Forbin`> aaaaagh
[11:01] <L0c0> something Laffey said that, to me, turns me off about some politicians. Laffe
[11:01] <RustyFord> its terrorisisssmssmsms!
[11:01] <bi0h4z4rd> how can dead people bury dead people?
[11:01] <RustyFord> bi0 he was speaking of spiritually dead people
[11:02] <td-> lets discuss this bible passage
[11:02] <td-> < Matthew 10:34 > "Don't think that I came to send peace on the earth. I
[11:02] <L0c0> i'd rather vote for a politician that does what's good for his constituants an
[11:02] <RustyFord> it was a metaphor or something=)
[11:02] <killja> Air Force chief: Test weapons on testy U.S. mobs http://www.cnn.com/2006
[11:02] <RustyFord> personally i don't care, i like debating people who wish to make up thing
[11:02] <L0c0> i voted for Sylvestre Reyes-TX (D) before b/c as a former border patrol agent
[11:03] <L0c0> then...w/ this whole illegal immigration debate, he seems to be bowing the mil
[11:03] <RustyFord> L0c0 you mean like they need humanitarian aid and stuff?
[11:03] <RustyFord> like drivers licenses and college degrees and the right to vote ?
[11:03] <DeDannan> RustyFord enjoys debating himself it would seem :)
[11:03] <L0c0> RustyFord; no, when he was director of border patrol, he helped start a progra
[11:03] * FreeAlwys changes topic to 'http://tinyurl.com/kyqqz You see this 5 minute Video and com
[11:04] <RustyFord> DeDannan no, i like to go to the horses mouth so to speak
[11:04] <DeDannan> you do?
[11:04] <RustyFord> you have yet to prove me wrong
[11:04] <L0c0> Rustyford: after he retired, both parties tried to woo him. he got very bipar
[11:04] <DeDannan> so how does "let the dead bury their own"...reference "Mother Mary"?
[11:04] <RustyFord> i went to the bible you went to some guy who wrote a book
[11:04] <L0c0> Rustyford: but in the last year or so, he's gone yellow imo
[11:04] <DeDannan> RustyFord, no..i went to the Church... :)
[11:04] <RustyFord> Dedannan, it says something to the fact that his mother Mary was followin
[11:04] <DeDannan> who has authority to interepret scripture and define doctrine...
[11:05] <RustyFord> if i recall
[11:05] <bi0h4z4rd> open this url in firefox, you get a funny message from a woman: http://ti
[11:05] <RustyFord> Dedannan apparently you were never allowed to read the bible
[11:05] <panini> rusty is is a christian horse?
[11:05] <panini> it
[11:05] <RustyFord> panini i used to be a christian
[11:05] <RustyFord> i used to believe in god
[11:05] <panini> what are you now?
[11:05] <RustyFord> athiest
[11:06] <RustyFord> i am godless
[11:06] <DeDannan> Luke 9: 59-62
[11:06] <DeDannan> He said to another, "Follow me!" But he said, "Lord, allow me first to go
[11:06] <DeDannan> 60 But Jesus said to him, "Leave the dead to bury their own dead, but you
[11:06] <DeDannan> 61 Another also said, "I want to follow you, Lord, but first allow me to b
[11:06] <DeDannan> 62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, having put his hand to the plow, and lo
[11:06] <FreeAlwys> This url which i had not seen must be seen, to not see this and then deba
[11:06] <RustyFord> Dedannan no read a few ways before that
[11:06] <DeDannan> godless and ignorant...not a good combination
[11:07] <DeDannan> how much 'ways'?
[11:07] <panini> come on guys... take it to #bible
[11:07] <RustyFord> Dedannan no read above that
[11:07] <DeDannan> When his disciples, James and John, saw this, they said, "Lord, do you wan
[11:07] <DeDannan> 55 But he turned and rebuked them, "You don't know of what kind of spirit
[11:07] <DeDannan> 56 For the Son of Man didn't come to destroy men's lives, but to save them
[11:07] <DeDannan> 57 As they went on the way, a certain man said to him, "I want to follow y
[11:07] <DeDannan> 58 Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have
[11:07] <RustyFord> sorry i can't recall the exact chapter or "number"
[11:08] <RustyFord> but Jesus blows off his mother
[11:08] <FreeAlwys> If people do not view this or are not aware of this topics subject matter
[11:08] <DeDannan> well..as that's the only instance where Jesus says 'leave the dead to bury
[11:08] <DeDannan> and since Mary is nowhere in that chapter...
[11:09] <FreeAlwys> I think Jesus made an intelligent statement to say let the dead bury the
[11:10] <RustyFord> I'm looking DeDannan
[11:10] <RustyFord> don't get all worked up just yet
[11:10] <DeDannan> take your time :)
[11:10] <FreeAlwys> Bio, open it up in firefox you get what ?
[11:10] <DeDannan> 6th Chapter of Luke's Gospel..if that helps
[11:11] <DeDannan> also 8th Chapter of Matthew's Gospel
[11:12] <DeDannan> although the exact wording is a bit different
[11:12] <RustyFord> http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment3/comm_vol34/htm/viii.htm
[11:12] <RustyFord> here you go Dedannan
[11:12] <RustyFord> and there is more just give me a minute
[11:13] <FreeAlwys> let the dead bury the dead, render unto Caesar what is Caesars, if someon
[11:13] <RustyFord> 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They h
[11:13] <RustyFord> 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour i
[11:13] <RustyFord> 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do
[11:14] <FreeAlwys> Anyone know about the devoiced ? Since the bots dont always voice I usual
[11:14] <RustyFord> everything i read is that Jesus greatly rejects her at this wedding for q
[11:14] <DeDannan> yes..the wedding at Cana...strangely, then..Jesus goes and does what his m
[11:14] <FreeAlwys> Rusty, I have never seen Jesus say Quote "I am God"
[11:15] <FreeAlwys> I and the father are one.. But then we are sons of gods.. So are we and t
[11:15] <RustyFord> never said he did
[11:15] <rumbleca> I believe that stuff as mostly literal
[11:15] <Publius> air america declaring bankruptsy
[11:15] <FreeAlwys> But why would jesus attack marry for questioning his godliness.
[11:15] <DeDannan> so, still waiting for the 'let the dead bury the dead' reference to Mary..
[11:15] <FreeAlwys> I am not even convinced that jesus really believed he was literally god..
[11:15] <RustyFord> heh the great debate FT in the christian church
[11:15] <FreeAlwys> He spoke in so many parables.
[11:16] <RustyFord> "is God jesus and is Jesus God"
[11:16] <DeDannan> that was settled about 1700 years ago :)
[11:16] <RustyFord> my term of "Godliness" does not express in any way shape or form that Jes
[11:16] <DeDannan> now true..heresies do crop up from time to time...
[11:16] <RustyFord> in fact it expresses some idiocy of "GOD LIKE NESS"
[11:16] <godfist> man
[11:17] <godfist> how do you watch foxnews live i dont want these small snippets
[11:17] <godfist> what's the link i can't find it
[11:17] <FreeAlwys> Assume you were vasty more intelligent and wiser than a bunch of idiots 2
[11:17] <FreeAlwys> So Again, I have never been convinced Jesus truly believed he was God.
[11:17] <FreeAlwys> "Father why hast thou forsaken me!"
[11:17] <RustyFord> DeDannan, hey i may have been wrong, but no more wrong than you trying to
[11:18] <RustyFord> DeDannan before you point out the sliver in my eye i would suggest you ta
[11:18] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, so what do you think He meant when He said..."I am the Way, the
[11:18] <RustyFord> FT, "all things are possible with him"
[11:18] <RustyFord> heh
[11:18] <DeDannan> or "He who has seen me has seen the Father"?
[11:18] <RustyFord> he could be God and Man all in one
[11:18] <FreeAlwys> Parable.
[11:18] <FreeAlwys> or metaphor
[11:19] <RustyFord> my mom had a good explanation
[11:19] <rumbleca> does anybody believe the bible is infallible? that's the question
[11:19] <DeDannan> interesting..since I am...would translate as the hebrew and aramaic..Ya We
[11:19] <FreeAlwys> He who has seen me has seen the father.. Since i am created in the likene
[11:19] <RustyFord> she explained it to me that God didn't / doesn't want his creation to go
[11:19] <FreeAlwys> haha
[11:19] <killja> DeDannan maybe he was talking about psychadelic mushrooms
[11:19] <DeDannan> the same I Am..that Moses heard on Sinai...
[11:19] <pilgrim`> Ehey Asher Eheh
[11:20] <RustyFord> and took upon himself all of the suffering of man
[11:20] <pilgrim`> I am that I am
[11:20] <RustyFord> so that he could understand
[11:20] <toecutter> Does anyone know but is the federal government now operating in surplus?
[11:20] <RustyFord> and so Jesus was God in man carnate
[11:20] <FreeAlwys> The fact is Jesus contradicts himself and he speaks around the topic of h
[11:20] <pilgrim`> toecutter yes, they have 4% more oncil pushers then they use on any given
[11:20] <pilgrim`> pencil
[11:20] <FreeAlwys> But I look at it this way, if you were a socrates of that age, a wise phi
[11:20] <FreeAlwys> Above their heads ?
[11:20] <FreeAlwys> Or to their ignorance. ?
[11:21] <FreeAlwys> He said of his own disciples, in essense, You too are clueless
[11:21] <RustyFord> personally i don't think that God would make it that hard to understand
[11:21] <FreeAlwys> and have no idea what I have been talking about
[11:21] <RustyFord> if there was a god
[11:21] <pilgrim`> Free Appalonyus of Tyana, Simon Magnus, Hermes Trismagistus....there were
[11:21] <FreeAlwys> And many people will prophesize in my name and do so falsely
[11:21] <pilgrim`> but
[11:21] <P_O> Or maybe Jesus was just cwazy.
[11:21] <RustyFord> God would say "ok fuck this "fireball"
[11:21] <toecutter> This is not a joke, I only vote for presidents that can run a surplus.
[11:21] <Forbin`> there were 2 gunmen in canada
[11:21] <Forbin`> aaaagh
[11:21] <FreeAlwys> Marx also said his own followers didnt understand him though ;)
[11:22] <P_O> toecutter, you don't have to vote for our current president, because you won't
[11:22] <FreeAlwys> Maybe its a common theme amongst people who think they have the solutions
[11:22] <RustyFord> first we must determine the reason why God would make us
[11:22] <pilgrim`> Jeus got better PR; the pagan emperor had beuracrats write his holy book
[11:22] <RustyFord> then we must determine are we gods ourselves
[11:22] <FreeAlwys> Pilgrim heh, You cant underestimate the value of Constantine.
[11:22] <pilgrim`> en to pan
[11:22] <FreeAlwys> We may have never heard of christianity sans him.
[11:22] <RustyFord> pilgrim in my mind if there is a god?
[11:22] <][Hook][> toecutter: running a surplus means you are over taxing the populace
[11:23] <RustyFord> he is like Q on Star Trek
[11:23] <RustyFord> hahhahaha
[11:23] <pilgrim`> Rusty odd numbered day, there is no god
[11:23] <FreeAlwys> But as christians say its all about faith.. ALL about faith.
[11:23] <][Hook][> surplus doesn't mean the government is being "thrifty"
[11:23] <DeDannan> Christianity was growing for 2 centuries before Constantine...he simply ac
[11:23] <][Hook][> it means they took more than they needed
[11:23] <RustyFord> i think Jesus was just a regular guy
[11:23] <pilgrim`> DeDannan and was a totally different religion
[11:23] <RustyFord> i don't think he was immaculately conceived
[11:23] <P_O> ][Hook][, well, unless they run a surplus without taxing more than the previous
[11:23] <][Hook][> all federal surplus should be returned to the taxpayer
[11:23] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, not really
[11:23] <P_O> That means they're spending less.
[11:23] <RustyFord> i think he was just a regular dude
[11:24] <RustyFord> he was trying to explain that we are greater
[11:24] <][Hook][> P_O: or taxing more, one or the other
[11:24] <RustyFord> than any one else
[11:24] <pilgrim`> it was a varriant Jewish cult with hangers on. take a look at the gads I
[11:24] <DeDannan> as a reading of Cyprian, Tertullian, and other early Church Fathers shows.
[11:24] <][Hook][> or a combination of the two
[11:24] <RustyFord> we have the ability to be greater than any god
[11:24] <pilgrim`> look at the Copts and the Nestorians, look at the various N African "heres
[11:24] <FreeAlwys> No he didnt, his mother fell for it and he only believed in it because he
[11:24] <pilgrim`> Jesusism was a varriant Jewish cult till about 180AD
[11:24] <FreeAlwys> Constantine never converted unless you accept the catholics politics on f
[11:25] <FreeAlwys> which I dont
[11:25] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, not suprising..since you dont accept God in the first place :)
[11:25] <FreeAlwys> Since they often distorted scripture to their own benefit. But He did bel
[11:25] <RustyFord> did Jesus ever mention God ?
[11:25] <pilgrim`> interestingly, at that time it aborbed several other cults
[11:25] * _v0id is now known as vo1d
[11:25] <RustyFord> i mean like did he ever say that we should fully submit to God?
[11:25] <FreeAlwys> Ded, No but not I am talking the hsitory of Constantine.
[11:25] <P_O> If I remember correctly, Jesus had a nation adopt his views before he died even
[11:25] <RustyFord> didn't he say something like "The only way to get to God is through me"
[11:25] <FreeAlwys> Noone claims he converted accept on his death bed, the catholics say he d
[11:26] <pilgrim`> look at the Gnostics -they were actually in origin Hermetisists
[11:26] <rumbleca> wasn't malta the first converted nation?
[11:26] <rumbleca> by saint peter
[11:26] <P_O> I thought Assyria was.
[11:26] <RustyFord> pilgrim when you pray, you use a cup ?
[11:26] <pilgrim`> Malta was a site of a goddess cult.
[11:26] <pilgrim`> Rusty the Great Tite uses a cup
[11:26] <pilgrim`> Rite
[11:26] <pilgrim`> and a knife
[11:26] <][Hook][> RustyFord: yes... Christians generally believe that the New Testament rule
[11:27] <cheater> hey guys
[11:27] <RustyFord> and isn't the cup one of the most sacred artifacts of your prayer?
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> Ironically 1200 years ago Islam and Judaism were far more intellectual th
[11:27] <pilgrim`> the Calderon of Ceridwin is represented by a chalise yes
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> Christians debate the value of the new testament and the old.
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> they claim some that Jesus came not to undo any of the old but in fact he
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> He did undo the old laws
[11:27] <pilgrim`> Rusty it is used in various ways by various traditions
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> the laws he said he came not to change
[11:27] <FreeAlwys> he did change many laws.
[11:27] <RustyFord> i never understood why the new testament and the old testament was broken
[11:28] <FreeAlwys> From the Sabbath, to the punishments of wrong doers.
[11:28] <][Hook][> RustyFord: because of Jesus
[11:28] <RustyFord> the entire thing leaves alot to be desired really
[11:28] <pilgrim`> because that is now the Nicean Council did it
[11:28] <RustyFord> yeh but Jesus isn't the most important
[11:28] <pilgrim`> yep
[11:28] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, which one...there were 2 :)
[11:28] <RustyFord> there is alot of history and interaction with God between the end of the
[11:28] <DeDannan> the first Nicean Council dealt with Arianism...
[11:28] * pilgrim` was smart the day he thinked up DeDannan
[11:28] <FreeAlwys> ANyway we could go on about theology and compare it to reality ad infinit
[11:28] <pilgrim`> 1st the Septugnist bunkie
[11:29] <FreeAlwys> haha
[11:29] <DeDannan> not the codex
[11:29] <pilgrim`> the Vulgate is based on it, the only varriant being the positioning of the
[11:29] <DeDannan> Septuagint was already in existence...about 300 years before Nicea :)
[11:29] <RustyFord> nice
[11:29] <pilgrim`> not as a codified whole that was one of the mandates of 1 Nicea
[11:30] <RustyFord> Canadian swat teams shoot two suspects
[11:30] <RustyFord> BLAM!
[11:30] <cheater> BLAM!
[11:30] <DeDannan> and Septuagint refers to the OT only...
[11:30] <DeDannan> not the NT
[11:30] <RustyFord> one shit himselt
[11:30] <pilgrim`> huh?
[11:30] <RustyFord> one was shot
[11:30] <cheater> he shit himself? how?
[11:30] <pilgrim`> now I must check that. I haev alwasy thought it refered to the Greek Bibl
[11:30] <DeDannan> nope
[11:30] <RustyFord> cheater yeh he shit himself
[11:31] <L0c0> NEW YORK (Reuters) -- El Nino, an extreme warming of equatorial waters in the
[11:31] <RustyFord> shit himself after he shot himself
[11:31] <DeDannan> Septuagint: The ancient Greek translation of the Jewish scriptures. An old
[11:31] * cheater has a hard time believing people put poop in their own pants.
[11:31] <L0c0> "The weak El Nino is helping to explain why the hurricane season is less than
[11:31] <RustyFord> thats usually what happens when people commit suicide you lose all bodily
[11:31] <cheater> oh.
[11:31] <pilgrim`> I will go upstairs and a minute and dig thru my Catholic Encyclopedia
[11:31] <cheater> i thought he shot himself, like, in the foot.
[11:32] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, its online :)
[11:32] <RustyFord> nah he took a bullet in the head
[11:32] <pilgrim`> its on the shelf ont eh bottom left
[11:32] <RustyFord> or maybe in the chest
[11:32] <cheater> who are we talking about anyways?
[11:32] <DeDannan> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13722a.htm
[11:32] <RustyFord> cheater gunmen took a university in canada hostage
[11:32] <DeDannan> Septuagint Version
[11:32] <pilgrim`> mine has a red cover in 3 volumes ;)
[11:32] <cheater> RustyFord yes and?
[11:32] <RustyFord> then there is a hostage situation in Chicago at a bank
[11:33] <DeDannan> The first translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, made into popular Greek
[11:33] <cheater> RustyFord yes and? who shot themselves?
[11:33] <RustyFord> cheater i am getting the news as i see it and trying to type it here
[11:33] <RustyFord> 4 people killed 16 hurt
[11:33] <RustyFord> in Canada
[11:33] <Forbin`> DAMN....4 killed and 16 hurt
[11:33] <cheater> wow, i feel so excited
[11:33] <Forbin`> aaaaaaagh
[11:33] * cheater feels like he's living on the edge
[11:33] <pilgrim`> Vetus Italia I know of
[11:34] <cheater> RustyFord ok but WHO SHIT THEMSELVES?
[11:34] <RustyFord> i don't know whats going on in the Chicago bank robbery
[11:34] <Forbin`> Ill bet both guys were white....its always white guys
[11:34] <RustyFord> cheater i mistyped damn it
[11:34] <Forbin`> :>\
[11:34] <RustyFord> =0
[11:34] <cheater> bah
[11:34] <toecutter> ][Hook][: no you still have the debt to pay off. And I found it is not t
[11:34] <RustyFord> imagine that i am typing without looking
[11:34] <RustyFord> i am reading and listening at the same time
[11:34] <RustyFord> and o is right beside i
[11:35] <cheater> and juggling burning knives
[11:35] <][Hook][> toecutter: cutting taxes actually reduced the debt, among other actions
[11:35] <RustyFord> cheater nope
[11:35] <RustyFord> no knives
[11:35] <RustyFord> i have sporks ;)
[11:35] <RustyFord> with serrated edges and they are plastic
[11:35] <pilgrim`> Ok. this happens. and I am not slow to admit it: I was Wrong. DeDann
[11:35] <RustyFord> heh
[11:35] <RustyFord> dedannan was wrong and he won't admit it
[11:35] <RustyFord> so who cares
[11:36] <RustyFord> heh
[11:36] <pilgrim`> Of course I will never live down the shame of it but there it is....
[11:36] <toecutter> ][Hook][: cutting taxes increases the debt unless you cut spending with i
[11:36] <RustyFord> hahahha pilgrim
[11:36] <][Hook][> giving back the "surplus" actually generated more taxable income
[11:36] <DeDannan> RustyFord, nope..wasnt wrong earlier either :)
[11:36] <DeDannan> but no matter
[11:36] <RustyFord> yes the immaculate conception of Mother Mary
[11:36] <Publius> pilgrmi lol
[11:37] <RustyFord> you get your words from some book not the bible
[11:37] <pilgrim`> my mind does loose a cog every now and then. I read of this stuff some 30
[11:37] <RustyFord> and i showed you that no where in the bible does it explain Mary's parent
[11:37] <][Hook][> toecutter: and actually I don't like the term "tax cut" ... it's a tax "re
[11:37] <DeDannan> oh so you finally understand that the Immaculate Conception refers to Mary
[11:37] <toecutter> ][Hook][: the last 8 years have been a failure, revenues are up only beca
[11:37] <RustyFord> DeDannan, uhhh, no
[11:37] <][Hook][> toecutter: that's not what I see, and not what I read
[11:37] <RustyFord> i said that there is no immaculate conception of Mary
[11:37] <DeDannan> oh darn..I had hope for a moment there...
[11:38] <DeDannan> oh well
[11:38] <][Hook][> toecutter: federal taxes do not have that direct an impact on private sect
[11:38] <RustyFord> Mary was involved in the immaculate conception of Jesus, but Mary did not
[11:38] <][Hook][> and home values have nothing to do with tax revenues
[11:38] <pilgrim`> rusty I have read the Bible n various translations several times, do NOT
[11:38] <DeDannan> its a pretty common misunderstanding...confusing Immaculate Conception wit
[11:39] <][Hook][> inflation isn't a byproduct of the tax refund
[11:39] <toecutter> ][Hook][: the deficet does, revenues-expeditures.
[11:39] <pilgrim`> Mary was an attempt to inculcate the cults of Dianna, Isis Hera and sever
[11:39] <DeDannan> especially among non believers or protestants
[11:39] <toecutter> thus taxes
[11:39] <][Hook][> the deficit has been reduced, not gained
[11:39] <][Hook][> it will gain again, certainly
[11:39] <pilgrim`> Dec 25 became Jesus Day because it was sacred to Mithras
[11:39] <][Hook][> but that's another issue entirely
[11:39] <P_O> Go non believers!
[11:39] <pilgrim`> its called PR
[11:40] <RustyFord> ohh god
[11:40] <RustyFord> DeDannan i was raised as a catholic
[11:40] <RustyFord> anyway
[11:40] <][Hook][> poor RustyFord
[11:40] <RustyFord> enough of this
[11:40] <DeDannan> not very well, apparently
[11:40] <][Hook][> hehe
[11:40] <Herzen> I believe in the power of myself
[11:40] <][Hook][> did you get Nun slapped?
[11:40] <toecutter> ][Hook][: all the numbers at the treasury show the deficet is rising if n
[11:40] <RustyFord> dedannan has never read the bible apparently
[11:40] <DeDannan> since thats pretty basic catechesis....
[11:41] <RustyFord> DeDannan show me where they talk about mary's birth in the bible
[11:41] <pilgrim`> I was raised by a scientist....it ain't my fault ;)
[11:41] <RustyFord> anywhere
[11:41] <RustyFord> show me
[11:41] <][Hook][> toecutter: numbers are just numbers... projections are the product of some
[11:41] <DeDannan> RustyFord, did I say it was in the Bible? no...
[11:41] <RustyFord> my god
[11:41] <][Hook][> toecutter: it's not too hard to project what you want to project
[11:41] <RustyFord> and so you take your belief from someone else how many years later deDann
[11:41] <][Hook][> regardless of the "numbers" ... both sides have done it for decades
[11:41] <DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'raised catholic'...to not know th
[11:42] <RustyFord> and you call my "raising up as a child" as being taught wrong?
[11:42] <RustyFord> wtf?
[11:42] <RustyFord> dude
[11:42] <RustyFord> as usual talk to the hand
[11:42] <RustyFord> yer an idiot
[11:42] <DeDannan> again..thats just basic catechesis...
[11:42] <P_O> lol
[11:42] <DeDannan> unless of course, you're lying again...
[11:42] <DeDannan> or just drunk
[11:42] <DeDannan> hard to say sometimes...
[11:42] <RustyFord> yes the bibles wrong DeDannans right
[11:43] <panini> oh god
[11:43] <RustyFord> and the authors he reads
[11:43] <][Hook][> what are you two bickering about?
[11:43] <L0c0> Hook: our increased trade deficit over the last 10-almost 15yrs goes to NAFTA
[11:43] <panini> you nuts are still arguing bible shit
[11:43] <RustyFord> DeDannan is a moron
[11:43] <RustyFord> period
[11:43] <L0c0> NAFTA helped usher the end of the US as a major base of manufacturing
[11:43] <][Hook][> L0c0: NAFTA only ended in a huge sucking sound on the southern border =/
[11:43] <panini> lol
[11:43] <RustyFord> i didn't want to argue the fucking bible to begin with
[11:43] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, I'm not bickering..simply trying to educate...
[11:43] <L0c0> companies started going to mexico, central/south america and asia to find chea
[11:43] <RustyFord> and then he insults my "upbringing"
[11:44] <RustyFord> fuck him
[11:44] <DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'raised catholic' to not know basi
[11:44] <L0c0> Hook: do you realize that right now, cd. Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico says that t
[11:44] <toecutter> ][Hook][: there are too many people like you. I am pretty sure the whole
[11:44] <][Hook][> a deficit is not a tax
[11:44] <][Hook][> where do you get this nonsense?
[11:45] <L0c0> those jobs they're trying to fill were jobs that moved from the US to mexico
[11:45] <][Hook][> a tax is monies levied by the government
[11:45] <L0c0> and now they want to allow mexican truckers to take the roads in the US
[11:45] <RustyFord> hey DeDannan i have books that claim that the entire bible is false
[11:45] <RustyFord> should i believe them?
[11:45] <L0c0> fuck that...then what will our US truck drivers do?
[11:45] <][Hook][> a defecit is a running balance
[11:45] <DeDannan> RustyFord, maybe you should find a copy of the catechism and read it...
[11:45] <L0c0> b/c afte the mexicans it'll be the chinese and they'll all do it cheaper than
[11:45] <RustyFord> DeDannan maybe you should find the bible and read it
[11:46] <DeDannan> I have :)
[11:46] <toecutter> If a deficet is not a tax wears away at the value of the dollar. It is a
[11:46] <L0c0> maybe you should both kiss my but!
[11:46] <L0c0> :-P
[11:46] <DeDannan> often....
[11:46] <RustyFord> apparently you ignored the part where Mary wasn't in it except for when J
[11:46] <DeDannan> daily in fact...
[11:46] <][Hook][> toecutter: inflation is not a direct result of debt
[11:46] <][Hook][> toecutter: debt influences the economy, but nowhere near as directly as yo
[11:47] <DeDannan> and apparently you were absent the day that Immacuate Conception was taugh
[11:47] <toecutter> ][Hook][: it pretty much is. Virtually all inflation except short-term l
[11:47] <L0c0> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said leaders of M
[11:47] <RustyFord> DeDannan, show me where Mary was born to immaculate conception
[11:47] <RustyFord> in the bible
[11:47] <L0c0> Begin Anti-UN rhetoric... ....NOW!
[11:47] <L0c0> ahha
[11:47] <][Hook][> L0c0: but shock... Kofi is in the pocket
[11:47] <][Hook][> =P
[11:47] <L0c0> know why they say its a disaster..b/c if any of them say otherwise, BOOOM in t
[11:47] <DeDannan> RustyFord, as I've said...again...
[11:48] <][Hook][> Kofi has never done anything but criticize our efforts in Iraq
[11:48] <RustyFord> again
[11:48] <DeDannan> RustyFord, did I say it was in the Bible? no...
[11:48] <][Hook][> what should change?
[11:48] <RustyFord> Dedannan again i will say
[11:48] <DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'raised catholic'...to not know th
[11:48] <RustyFord> DeDannan, show me where Mary was born to immaculate conception
[11:48] <RustyFord> in the bible
[11:48] <DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'raised catholic'...to not know th
[11:48] <toecutter> ][Hook][: if the debt is stable the dollar will be stable. Since the dol
[11:48] <RustyFord> dedannan you condemn me for my catholic upbringing
[11:48] <][Hook][> L0c0: and I believe that Iran would define a stable democratic nation on t
[11:48] <RustyFord> but you read books and press others to believe in something thats not in
[11:49] <RustyFord> i will stick to the bible
[11:49] <][Hook][> toecutter: the dollar is not set on a 1:1 ration with the debt
[11:49] <][Hook][> not even close
[11:49] <L0c0> ][Hook][: i think it's in Iran's best interest to get thing settled in Iraq...
[11:49] <DeDannan> RustyFord, no...I said your ignorance of the faith is sad...not condemnato
[11:49] <RustyFord> you can stick to something thats not in the bible all you want
[11:49] <L0c0> as they see it anyway
[11:49] <DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'raised catholic' to not know basi
[11:49] <RustyFord> DeDannan my ignorance in believing the bible over some author making a na
[11:49] <RustyFord> niiice
[11:50] <RustyFord> i would rather be condemned for that than believing in some "Author whats
[11:50] <DeDannan> what author?
[11:50] <DeDannan> I've mentioned no author...
[11:50] <toecutter> ][Hook][: not 1:1 but $ per person it does and if government creates debt
[11:50] <][Hook][> the government will always create debt
[11:51] <][Hook][> unless it is diminished
[11:51] * DeDannan2 is now known as DeDannan
[11:51] <][Hook][> but that doesn't spell doom for our economy
[11:51] <toecutter> ][Hook][: no clinton reduced debt. Thats why there were no price increas
[11:51] <][Hook][> Oh Jesus.
[11:51] <RustyFord> DeDannan is <+DeDannan> and for someone who claims to have been 'ra
[11:51] <][Hook][> is that what you are all about?
[11:51] <][Hook][> Praise Clinton, Hate Bush?
[11:51] <][Hook][> should have just said that first =]
[11:52] <RustyFord> in fact what you speak isn't even IN the fucking bible
[11:52] <][Hook][> I wouldn't have bothered
[11:52] <RustyFord> what part of this don't you get?
[11:52] <toecutter> ][Hook][: there was a period in the late 1990s were debt was stable. Thu
[11:52] <DeDannan> RustyFord, the basic catholic doctrine I was referring to...was Immaculate
[11:52] <RustyFord> again i ask where is it in the bible that Mary was immaculately conceived
[11:52] <cboi> hi
[11:52] <][Hook][> Clinton's economic policy is what caused the recession after his term ende
[11:52] <RustyFord> you can sit here all day arguing its basic catholic doctrine but unless i
[11:53] <DeDannan> and to not know that...is sad..for someone who claims to have been 'raised
[11:53] <][Hook][> or I should say "Clinton era economic policy"
[11:53] <RustyFord> Dedannan again you are insulting my up bringing
[11:53] <toecutter> ][Hook][: no I am hear to teach since radio and schools are not. I am ma
[11:53] <RustyFord> can you do this without insulting?
[11:53] <DeDannan> not at all...just your ignorance of the faith...
[11:53] <DeDannan> that can be remedied, though...
[11:53] <][Hook][> toecutter: I'm 36 years old and actually lived through this all
[11:53] <RustyFord> whats sad is that someone like you would sit here and insult someone else
[11:53] <P_O> http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
[11:54] <][Hook][> toecutter: I doubt you are going to "teach" me anything in that regard
[11:54] <P_O> rtfm
[11:54] <DeDannan> P_O, already tried that :)
[11:54] <DeDannan> he still doesnt get it...
[11:54] <][Hook][> so don't play "you're ignorant and I'm here to school you" with me
[11:54] <FreeAlwys> Waiting on phone calls, its insane, though I am getting closer every day.
[11:54] <RustyFord> there is nothing to get
[11:54] <][Hook][> you see it differently than I do
[11:54] <DeDannan> see?
[11:54] <P_O> DeDannan, I like how he thinks that no Christian sect has ever overstepped the
[11:54] <FreeAlwys> I have more information but not enough.
[11:54] <][Hook][> you agree with opinions that I disagree with
[11:54] <toecutter> ][Hook][: I lived through it all too. The weakening of the dollar does h
[11:55] <][Hook][> you look at data and see a different outcome, because you want to
[11:55] <RustyFord> you can not point to anything in the bible where Mary was born "immaculat
[11:55] <RustyFord> heh its stupid
[11:55] <DeDannan> P_O, he's probably just being argumentative...
[11:55] <][Hook][> 9/11 did more to weaken the dollar than any governmental policy could have
[11:55] <P_O> DeDannan, well no, I'm argumentative, I stop at some point. :P
[11:55] <RustyFord> yes its all my fault
[11:55] <RustyFord> i don't understand
[11:55] <RustyFord> yeap
[11:55] <][Hook][> and it had a much more instant effect
[11:55] <RustyFord> anyway
[11:55] <RustyFord> i am just being arguementative
[11:55] <DeDannan> RustyFord, good...admitting there's a problem is the first step to getting
[11:56] <RustyFord> i should not question the authority of DeDannan and his bullshit
[11:56] <RustyFord> fuck you
[11:56] <][Hook][> had we not changed our economic policy because of the catalyst of 9/11, we
[11:56] <RustyFord> heh
[11:56] <DeDannan> now he'll get all pissy :)
[11:56] <FreeAlwys> Mary immaculately conceieved ? You mean Jesus ?
[11:56] <toecutter> ][Hook][: 9-11 is over. The money wasted in Iraq and homeland security c
[11:56] <FreeAlwys> Right ?
[11:56] <FreeAlwys> I hope.
[11:56] <RustyFord> FT
[11:56] <RustyFord> no
[11:56] <][Hook][> toecutter: I don't buy what you're peddling... sorry
[11:56] <RustyFord> thats what we have been arguing about for hours!@
[11:56] <P_O> And I also like how thinks catholic.com is an inaccurate source of information
[11:56] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, no...Immaculate Conception refers to Mary..not Jesus...
[11:56] <FreeAlwys> There is nothing in the bible to suggest MARY was immaculately concieved.
[11:56] <FreeAlwys> NADA
[11:56] <RustyFord> DeDannan claims that Immaculate Conception is Mary
[11:57] <DeDannan> its not a claim :)
[11:57] <P_O> FreeAlwys, http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> Jesus was concieved by Mary not having sexual intercourse
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> thats the central doctrine of christianity
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> The virgin birth of Jesus
[11:57] <DeDannan> any more than 2+2=4 is a "claim"
[11:57] <Lupine|> FA: damn, bill clinton "I did not have sexual relation swith that woman" wa
[11:57] <RustyFord> Dedannan claims that Mary was CONCIEVED immaculately
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> PO, I dont care about catholicism and its centuries of politics, Im talki
[11:57] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, Immaculate conception and Virgin Birth are 2 differen things...
[11:57] <Publius> gnostics?
[11:57] <RustyFord> and claims that I am the retard
[11:57] <RustyFord> although he was nicer about it
[11:57] <P_O> FreeAlwys, except we're arguing about catholicism.
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> No Mary was non concieved immaculately
[11:57] <FreeAlwys> Jesus was
[11:57] <P_O> So if you don't care about that, then you're not really making a claim.
[11:57] <Publius> gnosticsm!!!
[11:58] <vasili0s> she is also held to be one of the most purest of humans to have ever lived
[11:58] <RustyFord> in fact he can't even show me the parents that SHE was born to
[11:58] <vasili0s> there is no divinity.
[11:58] <DeDannan> It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conceptio
[11:58] <RustyFord> hahahaha
[11:58] <DeDannan> Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal
[11:58] <RustyFord> there he goes with his fucking flooding again
[11:58] <CryHavoc> that was fun..... NOT!!!
[11:58] <DeDannan> http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
[11:58] <][Hook][> "Immaculate" doesn't just refer to virginity
[11:58] <toecutter> ][Hook][: I see the world in a different way that is for sure. I see the
[11:58] <RustyFord> he read a book that claims that Mary was born from Immaculate conception
[11:59] <CryHavoc> I guess they will have to settle for 25 years of work history
[11:59] <][Hook][> it refers to her purity
[11:59] <DeDannan> its not 'a book'
[11:59] <RustyFord> DeDannan then where the FUCK are you posting this shit from?
[11:59] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, maybe you'll have better luck explaining this to him...
[11:59] <P_O> Well this conversation is hurting me like talking to people who think Bush is a
[11:59] <RustyFord> obviously its a BOOK? somewhere
[11:59] * CryHavoc tosses some toecutters at the Sarasota County School District
[11:59] <CryHavoc> EAT THESE!!!!
[11:59] <DeDannan> http://www.catholic.com/library/Immaculate_Conception_and_Assum.asp
[11:59] <RustyFord> Dedannan what kind of "upbringing" did you have?
[11:59] <FreeAlwys> Well I have not even heard catholics make this absurd claim before.. I ha
[11:59] <Lupine|> DeDannan: so IOW, Moses molested Mary when she was 3?
[11:59] <DeDannan> for the 3rd time...
[11:59] <][Hook][> RustyFord: Immaculate is "clean" ... and it refers to Mary
[11:59] <RustyFord> heh
[12:00] <][Hook][> RustyFord: the term Conception is just confusing in this instance
[12:00] <RustyFord> Hook, and as i have said and have been saying he is claiming that Mary is
[12:00] <FreeAlwys> Immaculate as understood by protestants means without sexual intercourse.
[12:00] <FreeAlwys> the virgin birth.
[12:00] <RustyFord> and he has not corrected me or tried to correct me
[12:00] <][Hook][> the "Virgin Birth" does generally apply to Jesus's conception *and* actual
[12:00] <FreeAlwys> So maybe its a christian divide amongst major sects.
[12:01] <][Hook][> FreeAlwys: if anything it's a semantic distraction =]
[12:01] <RustyFord> exactly
[12:01] <Forbin`> This is just breaking on Drudge.....very bizarre: http://www.breitbart.com
[12:01] * Lupine| sure does wish they had DNA paternity tests 2000 years ago
[12:01] <RustyFord> for the sake of his "good time" on the irc
[12:01] <FreeAlwys> Wow never seen a kill msg like that :)
[12:01] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, semantic means to be correct, yes?
[12:01] <FreeAlwys> Hook, I can only understand christianity from the bible.
[12:01] <DeDannan> if one is semantic..one is correct...
[12:01] <RustyFord> there he goes some more
[12:01] <FreeAlwys> In my protestant tradition god is as accessile to me as he is to the pope
[12:02] <RustyFord> dedannan redefining the word "is"
[12:02] <FreeAlwys> and the divine word of god is for revelation to the common man not a hier
[12:02] <DeDannan> Immaculate Conception refers to a specific doctrine of the Church...
[12:02] <RustyFord> Mary is not some holy person
[12:02] <FreeAlwys> But putting that aside.. Protestants dont see mary in anything like the l
[12:02] <RustyFord> she doesn't deserve candles
[12:02] <FreeAlwys> To Protestants Mary was a good woman and the mother of christ and it pret
[12:02] <fonebone> i see the gop is busy pushing through legislation to let bush wiretap anyo
[12:03] <fonebone> good.. good...
[12:03] <RustyFord> in fact if anything the catholic church idol worships her
[12:03] <RustyFord> exactly FT
[12:03] <Lupine|> "Immaculate Conception" is religion nonsense.. you can't apply "logic" to i
[12:03] <FreeAlwys> Mary is not a saint, we dont have saints. Mary is not special other than
[12:03] <fonebone> we wouldnt want people to use their phones and feel like someone wasnt lis
[12:03] <fonebone> :P
[12:03] <RustyFord> exactly FT
[12:03] <FreeAlwys> But she is no more closer to god than any other christian.
[12:03] <RustyFord> i was raised that she should be a saint and stuff
[12:03] <FreeAlwys> Thats the protestant tradition.
[12:03] <RustyFord> but i was like fuck that
[12:03] <RustyFord> St John
[12:04] <Lupine|> FreeAlwys sure she is, she's dead. I bet she has tea and crumpets with god
[12:04] <RustyFord> St this one and st that one
[12:04] <RustyFord> fuck them
[12:04] <FreeAlwys> IN fact protestans believe that Mary and the Saints amounts to idolatry.
[12:04] <fonebone> i had tea and crumpets with god just this very afternoon
[12:04] <][Hook][> yes... the term "Immaculate Conception" may have been been take from the C
[12:05] <fonebone> i called up and said "hey god, cmon ova" and then he said "yo... ill be ov
[12:05] <L0c0> and besides
[12:05] <RustyFord> I have one St..
[12:05] <DeDannan> The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was officially defined by Pope P
[12:05] <L0c0> there's a lot of money to be made from selling little statues of saints, and p
[12:05] <RustyFord> St Pauli's Girl!
[12:05] <RustyFord> DeDannan you can sit here and flood all you want
[12:05] <FreeAlwys> But the general feeling of religious protestants, and I mean religious pr
[12:06] <RustyFord> it doesn't make you any better in your personal beliefs and it doesn't ma
[12:06] <RustyFord> they are just that
[12:06] <RustyFord> your own personal beliefs
[12:06] <RustyFord> i have yet to insult YOU or YOUR beliefs
[12:06] <FreeAlwys> Rusty but were you brought up Catholic ?
[12:06] <DeDannan> and the beliefs of the Church...
[12:06] <FreeAlwys> Just curious.
[12:06] <RustyFord> yes FT i was brought up hard core irish catholic
[12:07] <godfist> whoa scary word
[12:07] <RustyFord> we were never even allowed to TOUCH the bible let alone anything else
[12:07] <godfist> hardcore=fundamentalist sounds like
[12:07] <randylptp> hi Free
[12:07] <godfist> couldn't touch the bible what's the purpose of that
[12:07] <DeDannan> <RustyFord> i should not question the authority of DeDannan and his
[12:07] <DeDannan> <RustyFord> fuck you
[12:07] <DeDannan> yes..no insult there :)
[12:07] <RustyFord> DeDannan that was far later on after you insulted me
[12:07] <RustyFord> so again
[12:07] <RustyFord> fuck you
[12:07] <FreeAlwys> I wasnt.. I can tell you that, My neigbors were and told me of many of th
[12:08] <FreeAlwys> Ok maybe thats not nice but heh ;)
[12:08] <RustyFord> you are doing nothing but sitting here trying to insult me and then tryin
[12:08] <FreeAlwys> Its not about being nice.
[12:08] <DeDannan> whine whine whine
[12:08] <godfist> oh so *when* the insult occurs matters..man...if I break into your house an
[12:08] <FreeAlwys> Its about debate and argument and different understandings of mythology.
[12:08] <RustyFord> now you act childish
[12:08] <DeDannan> i mean..if you want me to insult you...i can...
[12:09] <RustyFord> DeDannan it would be more expected
[12:09] <DeDannan> but I prefer remaining an adult
[12:09] * Agent4x is now known as Agent48
[12:09] <randylptp> Free: i'm in north carolina
[12:09] <RustyFord> I geuss being an adult is in the eye of the beholder
[12:09] <FreeAlwys> Randy, wow, whats going on there ?
[12:10] <randylptp> Free: visiting family
[12:10] <RustyFord> FAMN DAMILY!
[12:10] <RustyFord> =)
[12:10] <FreeAlwys> Wow, cool. thats a trip..
[12:10] <FreeAlwys> Literally.
[12:10] <randylptp> RustyFord: lotta rednecks over here
[12:10] <RustyFord> man i haven't seen North Caroline since i was 17 years old
[12:10] <FreeAlwys> hahaha
[12:10] <randylptp> and a lot of hush puppies
[12:10] <RustyFord> hahah Randy i see it hasn't changed much=)))
[12:11] <FreeAlwys> Randy, I have not been there for about 35 years.
[12:11] <randylptp> and the real estate here is good
[12:11] <FreeAlwys> yeah thats a fact..
[12:11] <randylptp> lots of nicely built dwellings
[12:11] <FreeAlwys> Prices are good too a presume ?
[12:11] <FreeAlwys> I presume.
[12:12] <randylptp> this house is 650k so it's fully loaded
[12:12] <randylptp> but for 180k you can get something decent
[12:12] <RustyFord> Randy yeh
[12:12] <RustyFord> thats the way it was down there when i was there
[12:12] <RustyFord> Randy with a nice view of Pilot mountain
[12:12] <RustyFord> =))
[12:12] <randylptp> nice view of the woods
[12:13] <FreeAlwys> hell, If just sold my property I could be living in a paid off dream home
[12:13] <RustyFord> hehhe randy
[12:13] <randylptp> the lot was 90k
[12:13] <RustyFord> I loved outside of Greensboro
[12:13] <RustyFord> some of the best freakin weed i ever smoked
[12:13] <FreeAlwys> Where in North Carolina are you ?
[12:13] <randylptp> so about 550k went into building the house
[12:13] <randylptp> raleigh
[12:13] <RustyFord> i wished i would have had the sense to buy alot of property down there at
[12:13] <RustyFord> i could have bought 30 acres for under 80
[12:14] <FreeAlwys> Ahh Ok. Go rural and check the prices.
[12:14] <RustyFord> could have sold it for twice that today
[12:14] <FreeAlwys> wow..
[12:14] <randylptp> corn bread is very popular
[12:14] <randylptp> southern comfort
[12:14] <RustyFord> oh man
[12:14] <RustyFord> and WHITE GRAVY!
[12:14] <FreeAlwys> yeah, and red beans and rice ?
[12:14] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[12:14] <RustyFord> with ham bits
[12:14] <RustyFord> and okra!
[12:14] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[12:14] <randylptp> in the grocery store everything says southern style
[12:14] <RustyFord> RAWWRRR!
[12:14] * godfist lives in asheville, north carolina, which is in western north carolina
[12:14] <randylptp> ya i saw okra
[12:14] <RustyFord> heart attack food
[12:15] <RustyFord> i freakin love okra when its cooked right
[12:15] <randylptp> is that near fayetteville
[12:15] <godfist> the local radio station here is getting a new high tech studio that only 4
[12:15] <randylptp> i have no freakin idea where i am
[12:15] <godfist> no fayetville is eastern nc
[12:15] <RustyFord> thats the hills
[12:15] <randylptp> i flew into rdu
[12:15] <RustyFord> oops no
[12:15] <FreeAlwys> I only like okra in jumbalya or in Gumbo...
[12:15] <DeDannan> fayettenam :)
[12:15] <FreeAlwys> Otherwise keep me away from it.
[12:15] <DeDannan> Fort Bragg
[12:15] <RustyFord> FT this lady i knew would make fried okra
[12:15] <RustyFord> and it would be crisp
[12:16] <RustyFord> with tons of other veggies
[12:16] <randylptp> i bet when thanksgiving comes around the people here go fucking nuts
[12:16] <FreeAlwys> I have a feeling I have the pronunciation and spelling of the first dish
[12:16] <RustyFord> oh man it was sooo good
[12:16] <RustyFord> gumbo
[12:16] <FreeAlwys> No no
[12:16] <RustyFord> man
[12:16] <DeDannan> jambalaya
[12:16] <randylptp> there is a lot of seafood things too
[12:16] <FreeAlwys> Jumbilaya (SP?)
[12:16] <RustyFord> gumbo is awesome my wife make gumbo
[12:16] <RustyFord> Jumbalaya
[12:16] <FreeAlwys> Thanks.
[12:16] <RustyFord> yeh man
[12:17] <RustyFord> gumbo and jumbalaya is very close
[12:17] <RustyFord> basically they are the same
[12:17] <FreeAlwys> My daughter at about age 12 cooked it up one day from nowhere (Well I gue
[12:17] <RustyFord> jumbalaya is soup then it thickens in to gumbo or vice versa
[12:17] <FreeAlwys> My old freind and housemate from Mississippi made Gumbo.. Yum..
[12:17] <randylptp> is harris teeter a chain grocery store?
[12:18] <DeDannan> yep
[12:18] <FreeAlwys> I think they are different, Rusty.. But I am not an expert
[12:18] <RustyFord> heheh shrimp gumbo ends up being jumbalaya with shrimp in it and lobster
[12:18] <DeDannan> like Kroger/Safeway etc
[12:18] <randylptp> and winn dixie
[12:18] <DeDannan> Albertsons
[12:18] <RustyFord> you throw everything in it
[12:18] <DeDannan> yep Winn Dixie
[12:18] <randylptp> i'm in the south
[12:18] <DeDannan> Publix
[12:18] <FreeAlwys> I think if I recall the Jambalaya had more rice.
[12:18] <randylptp> the dirty dirty
[12:18] <FreeAlwys> Its been awhile though.
[12:18] <RustyFord> FT yeh the rice cooks down
[12:19] <pilgrim`> is this the day for shootings?
[12:19] <RustyFord> becomes real thick
[12:19] <RustyFord> then you throw in ham
[12:19] <RustyFord> and everything else
[12:19] <pilgrim`> Montreal
[12:19] <randylptp> anyways i'm going to look at some townhomes tomorrow
[12:19] <FreeAlwys> Yeah but it seemed completely different to me than Gumbo with some simila
[12:19] <RustyFord> it ends up being mushy
[12:19] <FreeAlwys> ties
[12:19] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, I thought that was scheduled for the 15th...
[12:19] <cptn_chud> FUCK YOU ALL YOU FUCKING COMMIES
[12:19] <RustyFord> ahhh man
[12:19] <pilgrim`> seems the crooks don't use a calendar memo system
[12:19] <RustyFord> just when i was about to talk to him
[12:19] <DeDannan> we love you too cptn_chud
[12:20] <FreeAlwys> Or dont come back at all :)
[12:20] <RustyFord> and ask why we are commies?
[12:20] <pilgrim`> I am a closet commie. I want everyone to share it all with ME
[12:20] <RustyFord> hahha pilgrim
[12:20] <RustyFord> Pilgrim no thats considered a "stalinist"
[12:20] <pilgrim`> each according to their need...well I need a lot
[12:20] <RustyFord> depending on your birth rights;)
[12:20] <FreeAlwys> I am a closet capitalist waiting for a goddamn bid from a material suppli
[12:20] <randylptp> everything here is called plantation this plantation that
[12:21] <pilgrim`> Steel from the rich as it were?
[12:21] <FreeAlwys> Supplied = supplier
[12:21] <RustyFord> damn it where's my lighter
[12:21] <FreeAlwys> Randy really ? I dont remember that but then I was in the burbs when I wa
[12:22] <FreeAlwys> Deinatley had a very high fever. how close to the Almighty I came I have
[12:22] <L0c0> Do you know how many Medals of Honor have been given out for Iraq and Afghanis
[12:22] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 nope
[12:22] <RustyFord> L0c0 like 3?
[12:22] <randylptp> today it's raining, but not that hot, but the rest of the time here shoul
[12:22] <L0c0> 1
[12:22] <FreeAlwys> L0c0, I have a cousin with one. but thats as far as I will go.
[12:22] <RustyFord> one was given to Tilman i think
[12:22] <pilgrim`> L0c0 I know that a lot of Generals are doing their junket there instead of
[12:22] <FreeAlwys> I hope thats vague enough.
[12:23] <L0c0> there's an article in army times, "Soldiers short changed: Why is the Army hol
[12:23] <RustyFord> L0c0 doesn this include posthumounousously?
[12:23] <pilgrim`> f a officer touches down in a "war zone" for 5 minutes he now can draw haz
[12:23] <FreeAlwys> Woah, Medal of honors are not for like prizes in cracker jacks.
[12:23] <FreeAlwys> And they arent always awarded immediately
[12:23] <RustyFord> L0c0 can i tell you why?
[12:23] <pilgrim`> a lot og Pnetagon "Fact Finding" tours to Iraq lately
[12:23] <FreeAlwys> its the highest medal you can recieve.
[12:23] <pilgrim`> they used to cycle thru Bosnia
[12:23] <RustyFord> i can tell you why
[12:23] <FreeAlwys> You dont get them will nilly
[12:23] <L0c0> Through 30 April, Army has given out 1, Marines (through 10 July) 0
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> a silver star is a more appropriate medal for most actions of extreme bra
[12:24] <RustyFord> L0c0 they aren't counting people who are alive
[12:24] <RustyFord> Tilman was awarded the medal of honr
[12:24] <RustyFord> if i recall right
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> Army doesnt give them out as I recall..
[12:24] <Forbin`> silver star
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> President does.
[12:24] <pilgrim`> CMH + coming out of the encounter alive = very rare
[12:24] <RustyFord> watch this
[12:24] <RustyFord> anyway
[12:24] <Forbin`> not the moh
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> Doesnt he ?
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> But its called the Congressional Medal of Honor
[12:24] <FreeAlwys> which confuses me.
[12:24] <RustyFord> the reason they don't give out the medal of honor is because they don't w
[12:25] <RustyFord> to go running out into traffic
[12:25] <FreeAlwys> Rusty it is often given out post humously
[12:25] <RustyFord> trying to be "over brave"
[12:25] * Forbin` Access Hollywood
[12:25] <Forbin`> Whitney Houston Files For Separation From Bobby Brown
[12:25] <Forbin`> oh my
[12:25] <Forbin`> bhahaha
[12:25] <pilgrim`> Free it means the medal is voted on suposedly by the congress in joint ses
[12:25] <Forbin`> http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah1583.shtml
[12:25] <Forbin`> maybe she can clean up her act
[12:25] <Forbin`> whew
[12:25] <RustyFord> they found that when they give people these medals they try to over do th
[12:25] <pilgrim`> fruit salad as an incentive
[12:26] <RustyFord> L0c0 you would be better off looking up Citations of merit
[12:26] <FreeAlwys> Also, for the record since I love controversy. The Captain of the USS lib
[12:26] <Herzen> Medal of Honor is presented by the President
[12:26] <Herzen> not the Silver Star
[12:26] <RustyFord> people with citations of merit end up being leaders
[12:26] <FreeAlwys> Herzen as I said.
[12:26] <Forbin`> No the medal has been presented by generals, secretaries of war, etc
[12:26] <pilgrim`> in a warehouse?
[12:26] <FreeAlwys> Pilgrim yes
[12:26] <pilgrim`> by who?
[12:26] <Forbin`> alvin york was presented his medal by blackjack pershing
[12:26] <pilgrim`> I mean did Lyndon drive down?
[12:26] <godfist> yes it was a very prestigious location that warehouse :)
[12:26] <FreeAlwys> by Johnson and MacNamara
[12:27] <RustyFord> its better to keep these people in line
[12:27] <Forbin`> snuffy smith got his medal from henry stimson.....secretary of war
[12:27] <FreeAlwys> hell i dont even know i Johnson was there. I presume he was.
[12:27] <RustyFord> medal of honor is for people who like do amazing super herioc acts in war
[12:27] <FreeAlwys> i=if
[12:27] <RustyFord> the idea that everyone gets a medal of honor defeats the purpose of givin
[12:27] <Lupine|> RF: it is, unfortunately, sometimes political in nature.
[12:27] <Herzen> Its illegal to sell or trade the Medal of Honor
[12:27] <RustyFord> yes
[12:28] <Herzen> its also illegal to duplicate it
[12:28] <L0c0> i'm not debating the issue
[12:28] <L0c0> i'm just telling what this article headline says
[12:28] <Forbin`> joshua chamberlain.....ran out of ammo....and ordered a bayonet charge down
[12:28] <L0c0> i'm reading the article right now
[12:28] <pilgrim`> and if you try to get on a plane with one, the forign born "security" pers
[12:28] <Forbin`> that got him the medal
[12:28] <pilgrim`> Joe Foss
[12:28] <RustyFord> personally i think my grand father should have got MOH
[12:28] <Agent48> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[12:29] <pilgrim`> that can be dispensed with
[12:29] <RustyFord> but he got bronze and silver with many other recognititions for being in
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> Medal of honor is intentionally given out rarely.
[12:29] <Forbin`> my dad killed a german spy in ww2....got the bronze star
[12:29] <RustyFord> he told us the story when i was a little kid and i will never forget it
[12:29] <Forbin`> :>\
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> Its the highest medal of the land
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> You dont give them out for jumping on hand grenaded.
[12:29] <RustyFord> he jumped on a tank and grabed the main m-50
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> grenades
[12:29] <RustyFord> and started firing away
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> those should be silver starts
[12:29] <FreeAlwys> stars
[12:29] <RustyFord> his platoon and 3 others got away while he stayed
[12:30] <Lupine|> FreeAlwys and there are some who have earned it, but were not awarded it.
[12:30] <RustyFord> he was one of the first people ever extracted from the front lines while
[12:30] <FreeAlwys> Lupine of course
[12:30] <FreeAlwys> some have earned it and there is no historical record or witnesses to the
[12:30] <pilgrim`> Alvin York was a Marksman. Fortunately he did not turn communist and beco
[12:30] <FreeAlwys> including themselves.
[12:30] <Forbin`> John F Kennedy was under review for a medal of honor....didnt get it
[12:30] <Forbin`> :>\
[12:30] <RustyFord> he stayed there and acted dead but still had a radio
[12:30] <FreeAlwys> JFK was a fraud
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> a total fraud
[12:31] <RustyFord> they came and extracted him by one of those bubble helicopters
[12:31] <pilgrim`> Kennedy was a jerk
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> you should examine the history of what really happened.
[12:31] <pilgrim`> and a fraud
[12:31] <Forbin`> However....Teddy Roosevelt did win the medal of honor.....took 100 years to
[12:31] <Forbin`> :>0
[12:31] <RustyFord> he got shot in the ass and leg and in the side
[12:31] <Lupine|> FA: one who definately should have had it, just recently passed away. He co
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> 2 of his superior officers felt he should have been court martialed
[12:31] <pilgrim`> TR,..he HATED "Teddy"
[12:31] <Agent48> they see me lawlin...they hatin...im trollin, tryin ta catch me typin dirty
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> he directly disobeyed orders, numerous orders.
[12:31] <RustyFord> they threw a grenade but it fell short
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> Joe kennedy Jr was a war hero
[12:31] <RustyFord> so he acted dead
[12:31] <RustyFord> he was out of ammo
[12:31] <FreeAlwys> back later
[12:32] <RustyFord> they came in 23 hours later and picked him up
[12:32] <Rebec> Pilgrim so does my son, my son always says "My name is Theodore"
[12:32] <RustyFord> by heli
[12:32] <Rebec> course he is Theodore Richard, so sometimes I call him TR as a joke lol
[12:33] <RustyFord> he got 3 purple hearts, a silver star with leafs and a bronze
[12:33] <RustyFord> no MOH
[12:33] <Lupine|> rusty: read this: http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-gabaldon6se
[12:33] <Herzen> TR was a pretty ok president
[12:33] <Herzen> I agree with his "big stick" policies
[12:33] <RustyFord> going to war is not all about the Kerry thing
[12:33] <suna> jerry springer is funny
[12:34] <RustyFord> where you think morons like Kerry should get the MOH
[12:34] <Lupine|> Herzen: imagine these leftoids today.. how they would react to the monroe d
[12:34] <suna> i think I understand now why people watch "pro wrestling", ya know hulk hogan
[12:34] <RustyFord> Lupine your grand dad?
[12:34] <Lupine|> The actions that earned Gabaldon the nickname "the Pied Piper of Saipan" to
[12:35] <Lupine|> RF: No, but he was a lifelong buddy of Guy
[12:35] <L0c0> article talks about DoD review "of service-specific implementations of Pentago
[12:36] <RustyFord> wicked
[12:36] <Lupine|> RF: Guy was buddies with my GF's brother, who was killed in battle there
[12:36] <RustyFord> i love hearings stories like this
[12:36] <RustyFord> Lupine want to hear something cool?
[12:36] <RustyFord> the differences between Guy and our enemy
[12:36] <RustyFord> Guy took them prisoners
[12:36] <L0c0> Lawrence Korb (former asst. sec. of defense for manpower, reserve affairs and
[12:36] <Lupine|> RF: anyways.. "Hell to Eternity" was based in part of his story
[12:37] <RustyFord> our enemies would have slaughtered them
[12:37] <Lupine|> RF: well, he probably wouldn't have done that tactic..
[12:37] <RustyFord> Lupine did you hear the shit today"??????
[12:37] <Lupine|> Hell, killing 33 japanese soldiers on his _first day of combat_ yeesh
[12:37] <RustyFord> we have over 100+ taliban in our sites
[12:37] <RustyFord> at a funeral
[12:37] <RustyFord> and we didn't fire because the rules of engagement says we can't
[12:37] <Lupine|> I would say time for a FAE
[12:38] <Lupine|> bury them all at once
[12:38] <RustyFord> Lupine we had them all
[12:38] <RustyFord> they didn't fire
[12:38] <Lupine|> Rusty: anyways, I've met guy plenty of times
[12:38] <RustyFord> meanwhile
[12:38] <RustyFord> the same group of people blew up the funeral of a Afghani leader
[12:38] <RustyFord> 2 weeks ago
[12:38] <RustyFord> =(
[12:38] <Lupine|> An angry Gabaldon mailed his Navy Cross to then-President Nixon, with a war
[12:39] <L0c0> this marine, 1st Lt. Brian Chantosh received the Navy Cross
[12:39] <RustyFord> and we DIDN'T fire!!
[12:39] <RustyFord> how can anyone concieve of this
[12:39] <RustyFord> war is war
[12:39] <RustyFord> you have a 100+ taliban sitting there paying hommage
[12:40] <RustyFord> and we just sit there
[12:40] <RustyFord> meanwhile they plot tp blow up funerals
[12:40] <RustyFord> are we trying to win this war?
[12:40] <L0c0> "[He] directed his driver into an enemy trench. He dismounted and attacked en
[12:40] <L0c0> youz
[12:40] <RustyFord> or trying to play nice?
[12:40] <L0c0> er yowz
[12:41] <RustyFord> "maybe if we don't blow them up they won't blow us up?
[12:41] <RustyFord> hahah
[12:41] <RustyFord> wtf is that?
[12:42] <RustyFord> L0c0 thats deserving of the silver star
[12:42] <RustyFord> not medal of honor
[12:42] <L0c0> he was a marine
[12:42] <WotGorila> AP | September 13 2006 Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave de
[12:42] <L0c0> he got a navy cross
[12:43] <L0c0> that's equivalent to the distinguished service cross
[12:43] <WotGorila> It's nice of America to test out weapons on it's own citizens first
[12:44] * cstorm is now known as imbalance
[12:44] <WotGorila> next time Woodstock gets out of hand...just blast them all with microwave
[12:44] <WotGorila> wonderful country
[12:44] <wiretapp> almost anytime a large crowd forms and starts creating upheavel, there is
[12:45] <wiretapp> the exception of course being the after-college-footbal-game riots
[12:45] <gear-> unfortunately i have no sound at work and cant listen to the video ;\
[12:45] <Lupine|> of all the awards my grandfather recieved.. the ones that he felt that *HE*
[12:45] <WotGorila> of course they would have to blast unruely football crowds...they are nic
[12:46] <Lupine|> i think he put it something like "Those are the only ones I earned all by
[12:46] <L0c0> http://web.mac.com/mediaguys/iWeb/votevetsweb/
[12:46] <WotGorila> See what those microwaves do to Football fans after they drank beer all n
[12:47] <WotGorila> ...sure there might be little kids caught up in the crowd ....but gotta t
[12:47] <Lupine|> well.. the premise of it is sound, IMHO
[12:47] <WotGorila> wouldn't want to test it first on terrorists...that would be aweful
[12:47] <Lupine|> use that instead of tear gas, bean bags etc
[12:48] <DeDannan> Lupine|, my father in law felt similarly about his combat jumps in Korea
[12:48] <WotGorila> I'm sure blasting people with microwaves is perfectly safe :)
[12:48] <WotGorila> just as safe as they told us ground Zero was
[12:48] <RustyFord> L0c0 he did what marines are trained to do
[12:48] <RustyFord> heh
[12:49] <Lupine|> DeD: an official designation of combat jumps were not until the mid 1980s..
[12:49] <DeDannan> yep
[12:49] <WotGorila> "sure...the air is clean.....and by the way.....have some microwaves"
[12:49] <WotGorila> ;)
[12:49] <Lupine|> He had two in WWII and one in Korea
[12:50] <RustyFord> L0c0 what he did was brave
[12:50] <RustyFord> i will give you that
[12:50] <Lupine|> many times, the only reason why one gets a MOH and another does not is.. n
[12:50] <RustyFord> but you can't give a man something that was beyond the call of duty for s
[12:51] <RustyFord> thats like giving a man an award because he drove the bus the way he was
[12:51] <DeDannan> Lupine|, well..they did have different badges, etc..and parachutists who d
[12:51] <RustyFord> and i am not taking away from him anything
[12:52] <RustyFord> he deserves a medal for what he did
[12:52] <Lupine|> DeD: those were "unofficial" thou.
[12:52] <RustyFord> but not the medal of honor
[12:52] <DeDannan> yep
[12:52] <RustyFord> he went "Marine Berzerk"
[12:52] <Lupine|> RF: in reality, Boo ran into the trench, so of course he had to go after hi
[12:52] <RustyFord> he put himself at risk and didn't really do anything that helped many of
[12:53] <RustyFord> in fact yes lupine
[12:53] <RustyFord> in fact he put others in danger
[12:53] <Agent48> they see me lawlin...they hatin...im trollin, tryin ta catch me typin dirty
[12:54] <Lupine|> MADRID, Spain (Reuters) -- The world's first ban on overly thin models at a
[12:54] <RustyFord> medal of honor awards go to those who go out there and save many peoples
[12:54] <DeDannan> nothing about a ban on the overly ugly clothes they wear?
[12:54] <RustyFord> L0c0 please please please do me a favor someday and read "We were soldier
[12:55] <WotGorila> 99% of women dress like men anyways
[12:55] <Lupine|> notice: they did not ban fat people
[12:55] <RustyFord> amazingly enough one of the guys who fought on the bloodiest day in Vietn
[12:55] <RustyFord> and survived
[12:55] <DeDannan> not many fat models :)
[12:55] <RustyFord> died in the WTC
[12:55] <RustyFord> he was a security official for Morgan Stanley
[12:55] <WotGorila> they should promote fat people...they would sell more material
[12:56] <RustyFord> freakin amazing story
[12:56] <RustyFord> the guys life story needs to be told over and over
[12:56] <RustyFord> he performed brialliantly as a commander on the field in Vietnam
[12:56] <L0c0> there's a good article on Joe Darby in here
[12:56] <RustyFord> and he died in the WTC
[12:56] <RustyFord> trying to get people out
[12:56] <DeDannan> WotGorila weird thing..the less material..the higher the price..especially
[12:57] <RustyFord> he is called the "Man who predicted 9/11"
[12:57] <upskirt> you guys type too fast
[12:57] <Lupine|> no we dont'
[12:57] <Lupine|> you are just too slow
[12:57] <DeDannan> no
[12:57] <DeDannan> we
[12:57] <upskirt> might be
[12:57] <Herzen> Hmmm
[12:57] <DeDannan> dont
[12:57] <upskirt> hehe
[12:57] <Lupine|> DeD: if theyr'e good looking, I dont mind that
[12:57] <Herzen> shooting at Dawson College in Montreal
[12:57] <Herzen> shots still being fired aparently
[12:57] <upskirt> shit
[12:57] <upskirt> how long has that been going on?
[12:58] <L0c0> House Democrats want more brain-injury funding
[12:58] <upskirt> 6hrs now?
[12:58] <Lupine|> Herzen: yea, we were wondering if that was you, Swigert or pickle..
[12:58] <L0c0> http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2101601.php
[12:58] <RustyFord> who cares
[12:58] <L0c0> Soldier describes anguish in revealing murder allegations: http://www.armytim
[12:58] <RustyFord> L0c0 yeh and?
[12:58] <L0c0> yeah and what?
[12:59] <L0c0> i'm just putting up articles, if you guys wanna read them go ahead, if not wha
[12:59] <RustyFord> waht is your point in posting these urls?
[12:59] <fonebone> hes obviously a traitor
[12:59] <fonebone> you dont tell on your fellow soldier for doing illegal things... geez
[12:59] <fonebone> :P
[12:59] <RustyFord> you started off with why don't people get the MOH
[12:59] <RustyFord> and end up with anguish in revealing murder allegations:
[12:59] <RustyFord> so whats your point?
[12:59] <suna> he just posted links to stories he found interesting rusty. He's not fighting
[13:00] <Herzen> Lupine|, it was Goths on a rampage
[13:00] <DeDannan> have another beer :)
[13:00] <RustyFord> there must be a point
[13:00] <Herzen> Lupine|, "The man was about 19 years old with body piercings and wore clothi
[13:00] <Libertine> murder? whats new?
[13:00] <RustyFord> i mean at least give us a hint
[13:00] <DeDannan> Goths with Guns??? oh noes!!
[13:00] <L0c0> i picked up a copy of army times while i was at the PX, sharing some of the ar
[13:00] <L0c0> sheesh
[13:00] <L0c0> bbl
[13:00] <RustyFord> are you trying to show us the good and the bad and the ugly of war?
[13:00] <DeDannan> last time that happened they sacked Rome!
[13:00] <DeDannan> or something...
[13:01] <RustyFord> whats your point ?
[13:01] <Herzen> well they shot 16 people
[13:01] <Herzen> lol
[13:01] <FreeAlwys> 2005 revenue was abysmal.. Just finished my corporate returns.
[13:01] <RustyFord> is there something wrong with asking a person what their point is when th
[13:01] <Herzen> is it sexist to use the term "gunmen" but not the term "gunwomen" ?
[13:01] <RustyFord> in fact here we go
[13:01] <DeDannan> yes
[13:01] <FreeAlwys> Nope Ill never be amillionaire.. ;) I may have days I make $1000.00 in on
[13:01] <Lupine|> Herzen: well thank gawd that none of the students/faculty were armed.. some
[13:01] <DeDannan> or no
[13:01] <FreeAlwys> Rusty, Nope
[13:02] <RustyFord> i got insults
[13:02] <FreeAlwys> I often want to know what the url is about before I will visit it.
[13:02] <RustyFord> <+suna> he just posted links to stories he found interesting rusty.
[13:02] <FreeAlwys> But I highly urge people to go to the one in the topic and form their own
[13:02] <RustyFord> <+DeDannan> have another beer :)
[13:02] <RustyFord> i would suggest you guys get a clue
[13:02] <FreeAlwys> I think its so important that if they dont there is part of the debate ab
[13:02] <Lupine|> <Lupine|> Just shoot the bastard and let the aggression out of your s
[13:03] <RustyFord> suna first of all i never claimed that anyone was fighting with anyone
[13:03] <RustyFord> i merely asked if there wasa point to his posting of the urls
[13:03] <suna> people do that in here all the time. There's often no point, and it's oten com
[13:03] <Herzen> Lupine|, I just hope their firearms were registered!
[13:03] <FreeAlwys> because its factual its not even debatable.. And it confirms many have sa
[13:03] <RustyFord> and secondly deDannan when i am drinking it would be none of your busines
[13:03] <DeDannan> to which L0co replied....
[13:03] <RustyFord> now go have some more sacramental whine
[13:03] <RustyFord> and leave us alone
[13:04] <FreeAlwys> I dont see wars or battles or anything similar without mistakes.. Bush ma
[13:04] <FreeAlwys> If were fighing ww2 today I have no doubt the nazis would have won.
[13:04] <Lupine|> FDR made some hellacious blunders.
[13:04] <FreeAlwys> Not because of our soilders, but because of our politicians.
[13:04] <DeDannan> <L0c0> i'm just putting up articles, if you guys wanna read them go
[13:04] <RustyFord> DeDannan and?
[13:04] <DeDannan> and?
[13:04] <DeDannan> and what?
[13:04] <Lupine|> Free: do not forget the citizens as well... "what? give up my 2% milk latte
[13:04] <DeDannan> he answered...
[13:04] <DeDannan> nuff said
[13:05] <RustyFord> DeDannan i didn't say anything
[13:05] <RustyFord> until after you and suna piped in
[13:05] <FreeAlwys> L0c0, Also I hope you noted that the person with the article you posted y
[13:05] <RustyFord> again dude you need a clue
[13:05] <FreeAlwys> and thats what the press got ahold of.
[13:05] <upskirt> we need to tax the poor more
[13:05] <FreeAlwys> he said he didnt write about the good things..
[13:05] <suna> seriously rusty you're in the corner here. He was being quiet ofr a long time,
[13:05] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 you have a right to post urls.
[13:05] <RustyFord> oh my god
[13:05] <Glock21> upskirt... more?
[13:05] <FreeAlwys> People have a right to ask you what its about.
[13:05] <DeDannan> <RustyFord> you started off with why don't people get the MOH
[13:05] <DeDannan> <RustyFord> and end up with anguish in revealing murder allegations:
[13:05] <DeDannan> <RustyFord> so whats your point?
[13:05] <RustyFord> <+suna> seriously rusty you're in the corner here. He was being qui
[13:06] <upskirt> we need to tax the poor less
[13:06] <RustyFord> and Dedannan i have that right to ask those questions
[13:06] <Herzen> suna, I DON'T DO IT
[13:06] <DeDannan> short term memory loss...
[13:06] <DeDannan> bad sign
[13:06] <suna> herzen: I said probably:)
[13:06] <RustyFord> they are reasonable questions
[13:06] <Glock21> upskirt... difficult... since they hardly pay any now.
[13:06] <RustyFord> enough of Dedannan
[13:06] <Herzen> dedonna, o wow it too much firewater
[13:06] <Glock21> Zilch in federal income tax.
[13:06] <DeDannan> Herzen it fact
[13:06] <upskirt> you make an excellent point there, Glock
[13:06] <upskirt> hmmm
[13:06] <Glock21> In fact the poor get paid to be poor under current federal income tax law.
[13:07] <RustyFord> i know he is a "friend" of the channel but i refuse to sit here and be tr
[13:07] <RustyFord> anyway
[13:07] <Glock21> Get more back than you pay in. Nifty little credits.
[13:07] <DeDannan> wheee...i gets to go on his /ignore again!!
[13:07] <suna> omg is murtha in the news again?
[13:07] <suna> poop on this guy
[13:07] <upskirt> well, as a friend of the poor, I just want what's best for 'em
[13:07] <FreeAlwys> You have a right to answer or not answer but for the sake of politeness t
[13:07] <Herzen> DeDannan, you mean his fake ignore
[13:07] <Libertine> what is this url about the murders?
[13:07] <FreeAlwys> But common courtesy would suggest that you would at least debate it, in
[13:07] <DeDannan> Herzen, thems the ones
[13:07] <Lupine|> tax the poor less? hell, they pay no income tax.. and in fact, get "refunds
[13:07] <FreeAlwys> But I think you would do well to do as I did in the topic...
[13:08] <FreeAlwys> Say People draw your own conclusions.
[13:08] <FreeAlwys> If anyone asks me what the topic is about Ill tell them.
[13:08] <upskirt> as i type this, I'm watching German porn
[13:08] <upskirt> and it feels good
[13:08] <Lupine|> upskirt: "whats best for them" was not to goof off in class.. don't do drug
[13:08] <RustyFord> i never drew a conclusion i was just asking what L0c0's point was
[13:08] <RustyFord> before I DID draw a conclusion
[13:08] <upskirt> you make an excellent point there, Lupine
[13:09] <RustyFord> and god forbid i question a IRL!
[13:09] <RustyFord> url
[13:09] <Libertine> http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=24460 .. gallup is showing dems ah
[13:09] <Glock21> Libertine... in which race?
[13:09] <Libertine> Glock21: congressional spread
[13:09] <RustyFord> especially when we just got finished with L0c0 questioning why "so and so
[13:09] <FreeAlwys> Guys accusing being of being drunk or drinking without ascertaining that
[13:09] <Glock21> o_O
[13:09] <Harsen> [15:08] <Lupine|> upskirt: "whats best for them" was not to goof off i
[13:09] <DeDannan> it harson
[13:09] <Harsen> Lupine| is talking about me again
[13:09] <FreeAlwys> But to assume they are drinking just because you dont like them is a bit
[13:10] <Libertine> Glock21: it's suprisng.
[13:10] <RustyFord> FT the fact is no one cares
[13:10] <RustyFord> they will just accuse
[13:10] <FreeAlwys> DeDannan drinks a lot or at least he talks about alcohol and his enjoymen
[13:10] <RustyFord> wether you are here or not
[13:10] <Glock21> Libertine... I'm not sure I understand what the poll is polling.
[13:11] <Libertine> it concerns me that the democrats may re-take congress w/o uniting with a
[13:11] <FreeAlwys> But With Rusty I think he is often accused when he is not drinking, Is th
[13:11] <upskirt> lupine is an admitted and committed alcoholic....we all knows for a fact
[13:11] <RustyFord> FT it doesn't matter
[13:11] <RustyFord> i haven't drank in many months
[13:11] <upskirt> he's a good man. Let 'em be.
[13:12] <RustyFord> i don't sit here and brag about me not drinking or my drinking
[13:12] <FreeAlwys> frankly, I prefer to ALWAYS speak to sober people, but thats not always m
[13:12] <RustyFord> its no one fucking business
[13:12] <RustyFord> period
[13:12] <upskirt> with a name like Rusty Ford, you probably havent been sober since you came
[13:12] <FreeAlwys> Its my business when people get abusing because of Alcohol on my channel.
[13:12] <FreeAlwys> Otherwise its not my business..
[13:12] <FreeAlwys> Abusing = abusive
[13:12] <FreeAlwys> The fact is a lot of people here drink
[13:13] <FreeAlwys> and a lot of people here do not drink
[13:13] <upskirt> indeed
[13:13] <RustyFord> i get abusive on this channel sometimes because i get attacked by the lik
[13:13] <upskirt> but moderately
[13:13] <upskirt> rusty and lupine are the exception, though
[13:13] <RustyFord> waht is a person to do ?
[13:13] <FreeAlwys> Rusty I am not attacking you.
[13:13] <RustyFord> run aaway?
[13:13] * Harsen is now known as Herzen
[13:13] <upskirt> sure
[13:13] <RustyFord> FT i iddn't say you
[13:13] <upskirt> or be quiet
[13:13] <RustyFord> i am talking about others on this channel
[13:13] <RustyFord> here and now
[13:13] <Lupine|> what is "upskirts" regular nick?
[13:13] <FreeAlwys> I am saying when people are being accused of drinking they should be drin
[13:13] <RustyFord> but thats completely freakin ok
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> if someone is shifaced drunk and talking out his ass he should be made to
[13:14] <Lupine|> FreeAlwys has been hitting the butter milk today
[13:14] <RustyFord> then the dog piling bullshit
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> But thats not the same as a couple drinks
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> or a well controlled drinker.
[13:14] <upskirt> you guys are funny, man
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> Rusty you are like the rest of us, You love a good fight a good brawl..
[13:14] <Herzen> Glock
[13:14] <Herzen> check your messages
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> thats not a sin on this channel.
[13:14] <RustyFord> yes
[13:14] <upskirt> is this the AA or political channel here?
[13:14] <FreeAlwys> Upskirt, its whatever I want it to be.
[13:14] <RustyFord> but when it comes to insults don't hold me up as the only person as the e
[13:14] <upskirt> understood
[13:15] <FreeAlwys> We arent talking about people not drinking.
[13:15] * Libertine is confused.
[13:15] <DeDannan> FT, he's talking about me I would imagine...mistaking a statement of supri
[13:15] <FreeAlwys> We are talking about when its ok to critisize someone for drinking on cha
[13:15] <][Hook][> what exactly is "Radical Christianity" ... and how the hell is it comparab
[13:15] <FreeAlwys> Obviously its not fair if they are not drinking.
[13:15] <RustyFord> i am not going to talk about anyone
[13:15] <upskirt> freealways, you're an overeater from what I gather
[13:15] <][Hook][> are people just stupid, or is it on purpose?
[13:15] <upskirt> overeating is equally as bad as binge drinking
[13:15] <RustyFord> i am not going to sit here and point out people "Like this one and that o
[13:15] <upskirt> aint it?
[13:15] <Herzen> ][Hook][, on this channel or in general?
[13:15] <RustyFord> i refuse
[13:16] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: you already mentioned the article from yesterday
[13:16] <TimothyT> In the name of Allah the Willingful and Wonderful, The Al-Mahdi Militia mu
[13:16] <DeDannan> FT, and if you'll be so kind to check the logs...you'll see that...
[13:16] <RustyFord> but i guarantee you that if you were being insulted the same way FT
[13:16] <upskirt> we're gluttonous to some degree of something
[13:16] <FreeAlwys> Ded, I didnt see that, I am responding to a comment Herzen made implying
[13:16] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: and yesterday I also said: [16:03] <L0c0> the General still e
[13:16] <RustyFord> they would be banned
[13:16] <][Hook][> Herzen: in general, but I've heard it a few times here as well... which is
[13:16] <Libertine> hrm.. the RNC is going to spend 5 times more money than the DNC this elec
[13:16] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, eh? I don't even have Rusty off ignore
[13:16] <Libertine> http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/091306/mehlm
[13:16] <RustyFord> It doesn't matter if Herzen thinks i am drinking
[13:16] <FreeAlwys> Ded, ive never noticed you ever having even the appearance of being affec
[13:16] <RustyFord> its NOT HIS BUSINESS
[13:16] <RustyFord> i am not sitting here insulting anyone
[13:17] <FreeAlwys> Look If someone is drunk on this channel spewing crap its fair game.
[13:17] <RustyFord> i am not sitting here cursing anyone
[13:17] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, I did make a joke about 'firewater' affecting someones memory, wh
[13:17] <FreeAlwys> if they are not then its not fair game
[13:17] <DeDannan> FT, simple reason for that..I dont drink during working hours...and I'm al
[13:17] <RustyFord> there is no reason for him to even comment on what i am doing personally
[13:17] <FreeAlwys> Ded ;)
[13:17] <RustyFord> you guys Herzen is jerking off while talking to you!
[13:17] <RustyFord> heh
[13:17] <RustyFord> i mean really....
[13:17] <FreeAlwys> Rusty, We, going back to the days of my good friend Spree which is 15 yea
[13:17] <RustyFord> give it a rest
[13:18] <FreeAlwys> We used to joke, Dont drink and irc.
[13:18] <ninjafoot> thats awesome
[13:18] <FreeAlwys> and that would be the kick msg
[13:18] <upskirt> hehe
[13:18] <RustyFord> FT, and?
[13:18] <upskirt> excellent policy, free
[13:18] <Herzen> I'd support banning people for being drunk and belligerant or high and belli
[13:18] <FreeAlwys> It depends of course on how people comport themselves.
[13:18] <DeDannan> FT, and I think thats an excellent joke
[13:18] <FreeAlwys> if people act reasonable and are drinking fine
[13:18] <upskirt> add overeating and masturbating to the list of bannable offenses aswell
[13:18] <RustyFord> FT you can't even spell most times
[13:18] <RustyFord> are we to assume you are drunk?
[13:18] <FreeAlwys> If people are drinking and get abusive its everyones business.
[13:18] <Libertine> repubs are said to be planning to spend $60 million on political races th
[13:18] <Libertine> man thats a lot of cash.
[13:18] <upskirt> no, it's not
[13:19] <Herzen> dedonna look at u message
[13:19] <RustyFord> FT, you mean like Herzen has been abusive to me?
[13:19] <DeDannan> since drinking impairs rational thought...and some have problems with rati
[13:19] <upskirt> chump change, sir
[13:19] <RustyFord> i think you should look at whoes being abusive
[13:19] * Katey shares her Duvel with DeDonna
[13:19] <Libertine> upskirt: it's a lot historically speaking.
[13:19] <FreeAlwys> IM saying dont accuse people of drinking if they are not or being drunk i
[13:19] <RustyFord> FT
[13:19] <FreeAlwys> OTherwise we risk the Ad Hom.
[13:19] <upskirt> indeed, libertine
[13:19] <FreeAlwys> We risk libel
[13:19] <RustyFord> i have never accused anyone of being under the influence of anything
[13:19] <upskirt> indeed we do, sir
[13:19] <upskirt> yeah you have
[13:19] <RustyFord> but somehow i am sitting here getting comments from a person YOU told me
[13:19] <Libertine> my handy list: http://www.fallacyoflogic.com/?q=node/48
[13:20] * Disconnected
[13:20] * Attempting to rejoin channel #politics
[13:20] * Rejoined channel #politics
[13:20] * Topic is 'http://tinyurl.com/kyqqz You see this 5 minute Video and come to your own conc
[13:20] * Set by FreeAlwys!rwx@adsl-64-170-158-172.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net on Wed Sep 13 11:04:03
[13:20] -moderatum- Greetings jJones832, #politics is currently moderated. If you wait 30 seconds w
[13:20] -moderatum- Welcome! NOTE: As of late some rascals have spammed this channel in an attempt
[13:20] <DeDannan> how many times have we seen RustyFord say to someone with whom he disagree
[13:20] <FreeAlwys> and truth is an absolute defense against libel. but again, I am simply as
[13:20] <DeDannan> too many to count....
[13:20] <FreeAlwys> Or drunk.
[13:20] <RustyFord> what part of your own rules don't you get ?
[13:20] <RustyFord> heh
[13:21] <FreeAlwys> Rusty, I brought this up actually for your defense.
[13:21] <RustyFord> and well
[13:21] <FreeAlwys> If you want to turn it around and attack me with it, thats your choice.
[13:21] <RustyFord> thats what?
[13:21] <Libertine> Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or
[13:21] <RustyFord> want a medal?
[13:21] * RustyFord breakes out the medal of honor
[13:21] <FreeAlwys> I am telling people to be cautious about saying you are drinking and or d
[13:21] <upskirt> you're not being helpful, Rusty
[13:21] <upskirt> quit being so combative
[13:21] <RustyFord> upskirt its my nature
[13:21] <upskirt> be lovely
[13:21] <RustyFord> i am a debater
[13:21] <upskirt> and a good one at that.....
[13:22] <upskirt> but you've gotta relax
[13:22] <RustyFord> i don't think its anyones business
[13:22] <upskirt> sometimes
[13:22] <FreeAlwys> If you say hey I just drank a 12 pack and then start shooting off angry g
[13:22] <FreeAlwys> Thats my point.
[13:22] <RustyFord> and FT shouldn't be comming to MY defense
[13:22] <RustyFord> it should be a basic common fucking COURTESY
[13:22] <Herzen> Are you done throwing a hissyfit yet?
[13:23] <Herzen> Since even on ignore you're diverting the channels attention
[13:23] <DeDannan> one can only hope
[13:23] <Herzen> and there is no discussion
[13:23] <upskirt> I'd bet the farm that you're swilling cheap Mexican wine as we speak, Rusty
[13:23] <FreeAlwys> well if people are abusive then its their business. I am open ask me if I
[13:23] <DeDannan> Herzen, solid, pinstripe, or chalk stripe..which is better? discuss...
[13:23] <FreeAlwys> But if someone is blasted then it effects what they say here.
[13:23] <Herzen> solid
[13:23] <FreeAlwys> anyway
[13:24] <Herzen> well I prefer solid
[13:24] <RustyFord> in fact the worst you will hear come from my "typing" most times is that
[13:24] <FreeAlwys> I am happy to defend any accusations against me.
[13:24] <Herzen> for party or more 'fun' less business occasions
[13:24] <Herzen> I usually wear pinstripe
[13:24] <RustyFord> which is no worse than Darth calling someone a DONKEY
[13:24] <RustyFord> or a Jack ass
[13:24] <FreeAlwys> And I encourage people to ask me if they want to.
[13:24] <RustyFord> in fact moron or idiot is a bit better
[13:24] <Herzen> DeDannan, like i'd wear pinstripe to the opera
[13:24] <Herzen> DeDannan, but solids for any business
[13:24] <DeDannan> Herzen, oh...and windowpane...
[13:24] <RustyFord> in my mind
[13:24] <DeDannan> or glen plaid
[13:24] <Herzen> windowpane is painful
[13:24] <DeDannan> Reagan wore plaid suits a lot
[13:24] <DeDannan> and brown
[13:25] <Herzen> infact I only narrowly accept pinstripe
[13:25] <upskirt> you're all far too sensitive for the Internet in my opinion
[13:25] <DeDannan> Herzen, I tend to go for a chalk stripe over pinstripe
[13:25] <FreeAlwys> well, I dont try to micromanage what people say, but I wouldnt use the te
[13:25] <upskirt> bunch of Calfornianian bred wussies
[13:25] <DeDannan> pinstripes too Al Capone-ish
[13:25] <Katey> Herzen prefers a seersucker zoot suit
[13:25] <FreeAlwys> I try to distinquish between the far left of the dem party, the left, the
[13:25] <DeDannan> a zoot suit with a neat pleat and a zeet seat!
[13:25] <RustyFord> well FT i don't respect the idea that people call others "Animals"
[13:26] <FreeAlwys> Who called you an animal ?
[13:26] <upskirt> lupine
[13:26] <upskirt> twice
[13:26] <RustyFord> no FT
[13:26] <FreeAlwys> I dont respect that either.
[13:26] <RustyFord> DONKEYS are animals
[13:26] <upskirt> yeah, but they're shitty animals
[13:26] <upskirt> nothin cool about an ass
[13:26] <FreeAlwys> But again, I dont micro manage what people say on this channel.. so peopl
[13:26] <RustyFord> hey so thats ok
[13:27] <upskirt> yer a good man, free
[13:27] <upskirt> honestly
[13:27] <RustyFord> people get to call others "drunks"
[13:27] <upskirt> a salt of the earth kinda feller
[13:27] <FreeAlwys> To me a persons words are very important and the credibility they get fro
[13:27] <RustyFord> maybe i should start a "bottle party"
[13:27] <RustyFord> heh
[13:27] <L0c0> this is the kind of suit you can wear to formal or business gatherings: http:/
[13:27] <Herzen> The requested URL /images/vendors/rasta/7355-01-main.jpgnk.gif was not found
[13:27] <FreeAlwys> No I said, only if its true. I dont agree with calling people drunk unles
[13:27] <FreeAlwys> or has drank a lot.
[13:28] <L0c0> n/m link didn't work
[13:28] <FreeAlwys> IM certainly going to look at someone differentl on channel if they say t
[13:28] <RustyFord> FT private conversation please?
[13:28] <FreeAlwys> Someone yesterday I think was talking about LSD all day
[13:28] <DeDannan> nothing wrong with drinking..Churchill had a bit of booze in him almost al
[13:28] <upskirt> what about marijuana, Free?
[13:28] <FreeAlwys> It made my respect for their opinions clouded by the idea they might be t
[13:28] <upskirt> im currently tokin as I type this
[13:28] <DeDannan> FDR was a 4 martini man...
[13:29] <FreeAlwys> Yea a lot of people smoke pot here, some can debate on it, some cant.
[13:29] <upskirt> indeed
[13:29] <FreeAlwys> I judge em as I see em as is famously said ;)
[13:29] <L0c0> http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/rasta/7355-01-main.jpg
[13:29] <FreeAlwys> Ded, Didnt he like them in a hot bath ?
[13:29] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[13:29] <Katey> hmm. that sounds rather nice actually
[13:29] <L0c0> or if you want people to take you seriously: http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/av
[13:29] <L0c0> :_D
[13:30] <upskirt> FDR was three parts queer
[13:30] <FreeAlwys> wow
[13:30] <FreeAlwys> Thats new to the biographers.
[13:30] <upskirt> so says wikipedia
[13:30] <FreeAlwys> It doesnt say he was gay does it ?
[13:30] <DeDannan> that would be a shock to his kids too...and grandkids...
[13:30] <Katey> you sure he wasn't 1.78 parts queer?
[13:30] <FreeAlwys> I dont think so.
[13:30] <FreeAlwys> Katey hehe
[13:30] <upskirt> hehe
[13:30] <upskirt> hmm
[13:31] <Katey> How does one measure 'three parts queer'?
[13:31] <Katey> is there a device for this?
[13:31] <L0c0> i DO NOT want to know
[13:31] <bun-bun> with a 'one part cup?'
[13:31] <FreeAlwys> katey maybe my cousin who spent 1 part of his life straight and 3 parts g
[13:31] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[13:31] <DeDannan> with a gay-ometer of course!
[13:31] <upskirt> hehe
[13:31] <bun-bun> no no no.. its a gay-auge
[13:31] <upskirt> you guys are funny
[13:31] <L0c0> 1 part queer will give you head. 2 parts queer will give you head and bottom.
[13:31] <FreeAlwys> Is homosexuality a continuum or a absolute ?
[13:31] <L0c0> :-P
[13:31] <L0c0> kidding
[13:32] <FreeAlwys> Thats too complicated a debate.
[13:32] <L0c0> its a deadhorse issue is what it is
[13:32] <FreeAlwys> and really doesnt belong in politics.
[13:32] <FreeAlwys> Though its probably a little of both.
[13:32] <DeDannan> settings...butch...straight...funny...sissy...nancyboy...queer..and flamer
[13:32] <bun-bun> but oft winds up here anyway FT
[13:32] <FreeAlwys> swell it cant be both
[13:32] <Herzen> DeDannan is funny
[13:32] <DeDannan> Herzen iz too funny
[13:32] <upskirt> you're all funny
[13:32] <Katey> where does 'poofter' fit into that scale?
[13:32] <L0c0> i think one conclusion we've come to on this channel in the 10yrs i've been he
[13:33] <DeDannan> NO POOFTERS!
[13:33] <bun-bun> poofta's
[13:33] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 hehe.
[13:33] <Herzen> DeDannan, the scale can also put butch along between queer and flamer
[13:33] <DeDannan> Katey, thats only on the aussie version
[13:33] <DeDannan> Herzen, like a butch queer?
[13:33] <Herzen> right
[13:33] <DeDannan> you do??????
[13:33] <bun-bun> Fourth Bruce: No. Right, I just want to remind you of the faculty rules: Ru
[13:33] <DeDannan> sheesh!!
[13:33] <bun-bun> Everybruce: No Pooftas!
[13:33] <Herzen> die
[13:34] <DeDannan> nyuk nyuk nyuk
[13:34] <DeDannan> sorry..couldnt resist
[13:34] <upskirt> hehe
[13:34] <upskirt> they're making a stooges film
[13:34] <upskirt> with an excellent cast/diretor from what i hear
[13:35] <DeDannan> with mel gibson as moe?
[13:36] <DeDannan> who'd make a good larry?
[13:36] <DeDannan> Kramer from Seinfeld maybe?
[13:36] <Herzen> the real kramer or the actor who played kramer?
[13:36] <upskirt> hehe
[13:37] <Katey> There's a real Kramer?
[13:37] <upskirt> it'd be hilarious if they outsourced the entire cast to Brits and Aussies
[13:37] <FreeAlwys> Anyone see mel gibsons movie "The man without a face" where he was allege
[13:38] <Lupine|> l0c0: um, homosexuals wish to screw dead horses?
[13:38] <Herzen> Katey, Yes
[13:38] <FreeAlwys> I strongly advocate people rent it..
[13:38] <Herzen> Katey, the character was based off a newyorker called Kenny Kramer
[13:38] <Herzen> Katey, he tried to run for Mayor in 2001
[13:38] <Herzen> In 2001, Kramer ran to become the mayor of New York City, as a Libertarian c
[13:38] <FreeAlwys> "The man without a face" mel gibson starred and directed it I think..
[13:38] <Katey> Herzen, oh yeah? I didn't know that.
[13:38] <Katey> lol
[13:38] <FreeAlwys> It portrays well I dont want to give it away. But it is a powerful movie.
[13:38] <FreeAlwys> dramatically and even socially
[13:39] <FreeAlwys> let me say it speaks to tolerance.
[13:39] <FreeAlwys> I dont think that gives too much away
[13:39] <RustyFord> FT read your private messages
[13:39] <RustyFord> if you haven't already
[13:39] <upskirt> <FreeAlwys> I strongly advocate people rent it...........you mean bit
[13:39] <FreeAlwys> OH my god its 1:39 alreadu
[13:40] <DeDannan> Herzen, thats a great campaign slogan
[13:40] <Publius> ?
[13:40] <Katey> nuh-uh! it's 4:40
[13:40] <DeDannan> I still like Kinky Friedman's the best
[13:40] <torello> • Thanks for the +v •
[13:40] <DeDannan> "Friedman for Governor: How Hard Can It Be?"
[13:41] <upskirt> hehehe
[13:41] <DeDannan> hope he wins
[13:41] <Katey> Governor Kinky
[13:41] <Katey> I'd vote for him just to be able to say that
[13:41] <DeDannan> sweet an nice
[13:41] <Herzen> its 341
[13:41] <upskirt> 442
[13:41] <Katey> Herzen, you're living in the past
[13:42] <upskirt> decent soccer formation
[13:42] <torello> • Thanks for the +v •
[13:42] <Herzen> I really like Seinfeld a lot actually
[13:42] <Herzen> its one of my favourite programs
[13:43] <DeDannan> about the only entertainment tv program i make time to watch these days is
[13:43] <Herzen> I hate House
[13:43] <Herzen> i think hes a whiner
[13:43] <upskirt> he needs to be punched in the cock is what
[13:43] <upskirt> watch Weeds
[13:43] <Herzen> yeah thats about right
[13:43] <upskirt> much better
[13:43] <Herzen> I like Law and Order a lot
[13:43] <Katey> I haven't seen House
[13:43] <DeDannan> he's no whiner...
[13:44] <upskirt> law an order with 'Donofrio?
[13:44] <DeDannan> and he's brilliant at what he does..
[13:44] <Katey> upskirt, that's my favorite L&O
[13:44] <upskirt> same here
[13:44] <upskirt> really love D'onofrio
[13:44] <upskirt> highly underrated actor
[13:44] <Katey> yeah. I do too
[13:44] <Herzen> Thats not my favourite at all
[13:44] <Herzen> I like SVU
[13:44] <Herzen> and Original
[13:44] <upskirt> with ice t?
[13:44] <Herzen> Sam Waterson makes the original great
[13:44] <upskirt> and belzer?
[13:44] <Katey> SVU is the weakest of them all, imo
[13:44] <Herzen> and Ice-T is a cracka.
[13:44] <Katey> but it's not bad
[13:44] <Herzen> Katey, i like that detective Stampler or w/e
[13:45] <upskirt> well, I dig 'em
[13:45] <upskirt> all
[13:45] <Katey> Really?
[13:45] <Katey> He seems sort of phoney to me
[13:45] <Herzen> Stabler
[13:45] <Katey> I like Munch
[13:45] <DeDannan> they're ok...in a kind of predictable way...
[13:45] <Herzen> Katey, i've seen every episode season 1 - 5 in the last week
[13:45] <Katey> but I also loved Homicide
[13:45] <Herzen> hes got some really good points
[13:45] <Katey> great show
[13:45] <DeDannan> but then most tv is predictable
[13:45] <upskirt> the Brotherhood is excellent aswell
[13:46] <upskirt> on showtime
[13:46] <Katey> upskirt, you catch the season premier of The Wire yet?
[13:46] <Katey> new season. w00t
[13:46] <upskirt> no, ma'am
[13:46] <Publius> what the hell
[13:46] <upskirt> season 4, right?
[13:46] <Herzen> Michael Moriarty was really good on Law and Order too
[13:46] <upskirt> indeed he was, bro
[13:47] <Herzen> http://www.mmuuuhp.com/lo5gp.jpg
[13:47] <Herzen> second from right
[13:47] <DeDannan> L&O is sort of NBC's franchise program these days...kind of like CSI on CB
[13:47] <Katey> Herzen, yeah. I liked him a lot as the ADA
[13:47] <DeDannan> take a format...if its successful...wear it out...
[13:47] <P_O> Law and Order is superior to CSI though.
[13:47] <Herzen> Law and Order is far superior to CSI
[13:47] <upskirt> indeed, Debannan
[13:47] <Katey> Herzen, aparently he found Dick Wolf to be impossible to deal with though.
[13:48] <DeDannan> wouldnt know...never seen CSI...or much of L&O for that matter
[13:48] <Herzen> My favourite part of teh show
[13:48] <Herzen> is the court part
[13:48] <Katey> DeDannan, well, essentially L&O is a police procedural
[13:48] <Herzen> makes me want to go to law school
[13:48] <Katey> old format
[13:48] <L0c0> Herzen: isn't that Mr. Big, the guy from Good Fellas, some white guy and some
[13:48] <Katey> but it workds
[13:48] <P_O> Law & Order banks on plot where as CSI banks on science that doesn't exist.
[13:48] <DeDannan> yep..cop show
[13:48] <Katey> works*
[13:48] <DeDannan> Dragnet in color
[13:49] <L0c0> yeah , i recognize that guy as Mr. Big....i've seen a few episodes of sex in t
[13:49] <Herzen> CSI reminds me of Startrek
[13:49] <upskirt> good actor
[13:49] <Herzen> In order to make the plot work, they make up words and science
[13:49] <upskirt> hehe
[13:49] <Herzen> in CSI its "reverse dna scanner"
[13:49] <upskirt> it's tolerable
[13:49] <Herzen> in startrek its "elodion waves"
[13:49] <P_O> Herzen, except Star Trek is actual sci fi, where as CSI dubs itself in a differ
[13:49] <Katey> I've never watched CSI
[13:49] <L0c0> Capt. Zulu wants to inspect Uranus!
[13:49] <FreeAlwys> Good felloes ?
[13:49] <FreeAlwys> Polly ?
[13:49] <P_O> Star Trek didn't try to be real :P
[13:49] <FreeAlwys> Paulie
[13:49] <FreeAlwys> Jelly ?
[13:50] <Katey> I guess I have a limit to how many different cops shows I can hold an interes
[13:50] <upskirt> <L0c0> Capt. Zulu wants to inspect Uranus.........OH MY
[13:50] <upskirt> hehehe
[13:50] <L0c0> paulie
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> Paul
[13:50] <P_O> We're going to have kids growing up thinking you can do DNA scans in seconds an
[13:50] <Herzen> Katey, law and order does it for me
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> Pauline ?"
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> Peter ?
[13:50] <DeDannan> hell they're all prime time soap operas...big deal...saying one is 'better
[13:50] <Herzen> Katey, i never cared for NYPD blue
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> Pete ?
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> Petey ?
[13:50] <DeDannan> Coke being superior of course :)
[13:50] <P_O> Coke > Pepsi.
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> ehehe
[13:50] <P_O> Obv.
[13:50] <Katey> Herzen, I liked NYPD Blue in the first few years
[13:50] <Herzen> Katey, and homicide didn't have good enough cast to hold my interest
[13:50] * P_O highfives DeDannan.
[13:50] <FreeAlwys> there is a joke in all that if you ever saw the goodfellows
[13:50] <Herzen> Katey, only thing i liked about NYPD Blue is when that fat bald cop would be
[13:50] <Katey> but after Rick Schroeder left that was all she wrote for me
[13:50] <KoBushi> the URL in the topic doesn't work for me
[13:50] <Katey> He was surprisingly good
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> they said all the guys were names Paulie or Pete or some variation and ma
[13:51] <KoBushi> just loads a blank white page and does nothing
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> And all the girls were names something or another
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> with variations.
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> Names = named
[13:51] <DeDannan> FreeAlwys, Maria :)
[13:51] <Herzen> Katey, I really like the DA in Law and Order now
[13:51] <DeDannan> Mary, Marie..etc etc
[13:51] <Herzen> Katey, the Republican one
[13:51] <Katey> Herzen, hehe.
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> maria
[13:51] <Katey> Herzen, Well, it creates some interesting tension in the DA's office
[13:51] <FreeAlwys> marie
[13:52] <FreeAlwys> hahaha
[13:52] <Katey> makes for good stories
[13:52] <Katey> I liked that blonde ADA the least
[13:52] <Herzen> Is that the one who thought she was fired for being a Lesbian?
[13:52] <Katey> And I noticed they just bumped off the most recent one as well
[13:52] <Katey> Herzen, yeah
[13:53] <Katey> that was a silly thing to throw into that episode
[13:53] <Herzen> that dark haired one was pretty attractive
[13:53] <Herzen> I like business women
[13:53] <Katey> Herzen, the most recent one?
[13:53] <DeDannan> now there's 3 movies out that I might actually buy a ticket to see...
[13:53] <Herzen> yeah
[13:53] <Katey> I liked the one Kerry Lowel played
[13:53] <Herzen> DeDannan, that many? You must have bad taste
[13:53] <Katey> I think her name was Jamie
[13:53] <DeDannan> Scoresese's "The Departed"
[13:53] <DeDannan> "The Black Dahlia"
[13:53] <Katey> I still want to go see Little Miss Sunshine
[13:53] <DeDannan> and "All the King's Men"
[13:53] <Herzen> Alexandra Borgia
[13:54] <DeDannan> Herzen, thats the first time there's been 3 movies I wanted to see at once
[13:54] <Katey> DeDannan, what is All the King's Men supposed to be about?
[13:54] <Katey> I've seen the ads but I can't figure out what the damned thing is supposed to
[13:54] <DeDannan> Katey, based on Robert Penn Warren's novel...a loose biography of Huey Lon
[13:55] <Katey> ah. ok
[13:55] <Herzen> the movies showing at our local theatre is
[13:55] <DeDannan> there was an earlier version made in about 1950 or so...
[13:55] <Katey> Is Hollywood Land supposed to be any good?
[13:55] <DeDannan> dunno
[13:55] <upskirt> 'All the King's Men", the one where even the PA is an Oscar winner?
[13:55] <DeDannan> looks interesting...
[13:55] <Herzen> The Wicker Man (PG), The Protector (14A), Talladega Nights: The Ballad of
[13:55] <Herzen> I don't want to see any of them
[13:56] <][Hook][> all the king's men is another stinking re-release
[13:56] <][Hook][> I'd love to see Dahlia
[13:56] <DeDannan> basically I want to see it and "Black Dahlia" because I've read the books
[13:56] <DeDannan> James Ellroy's a damned good writer
[13:56] <upskirt> indeed
[13:56] <][Hook][> every 3rd movie these days is a stinking remake
[13:56] <][Hook][> Bleh.
[13:56] <][Hook][> so I just watch them on my PC =P
[13:57] <][Hook][> let Hollywood suffer.
[13:57] <Agent48> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[13:57] <Agent48> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[13:57] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, somehow I doubt they'll miss your $7.50 :)
[13:57] <Herzen> the only reason I go to the theatre
[13:58] <upskirt> hehe
[13:58] <Herzen> is women
[13:58] <Herzen> without women
[13:58] <Herzen> i would never go to movies
[13:58] <upskirt> where do you live, sir?
[13:58] <Herzen> canada
[13:58] <upskirt> ahh
[13:58] <][Hook][> DeDannan: it's just symbolic I suppose =]
[13:58] <DeDannan> Herzen, well..being married...thats not a reason for me...and besides that
[13:58] <upskirt> Torontonian here
[13:58] <Herzen> DeDannan, all the better
[13:58] <][Hook][> like to pretend I'm "sticking it" to Hollywood
[13:59] <][Hook][> regardless of the reality
[13:59] <P_O> DeDannan, so? :P
[13:59] <DeDannan> P_O, so there :)
[13:59] <][Hook][> you can view a movie AND ogle hotties
[13:59] <][Hook][> oglers-r-us
[13:59] <DeDannan> ][Hook][, stickin it to the MAN!
[13:59] <][Hook][> I have to watch out though
[13:59] <TimothyT> Agent48 : blah
[13:59] <][Hook][> It'd be really creepy to ogle some girl my son's age
[13:59] <P_O> DeDannan, so long as half your age isn't 13 or less it's all good. :P
[13:59] <TimothyT> Agent48 : stop singing your blah blah this music
[14:00] <][Hook][> I do tend to like "women" instead of girls though
[14:00] <DeDannan> P_O, lets just say at my age now..they all look 13..or at least act 13 :)
[14:00] <][Hook][> hell I always have
[14:00] <upskirt> meh
[14:00] <upskirt> whatever gets me laid, bro
[14:00] <upskirt> i cant be too picky
[14:00] <P_O> DeDannan, fair enough.
[14:00] <P_O> ][Hook][, same here.
[14:00] <upskirt> woMAN, girl
[14:00] <upskirt> whatever
[14:01] <upskirt> vagina is vagina
[14:01] <][Hook][> after 15 years of marriage I don't remember what it's like to worry about
[14:01] <DeDannan> P_O, for the record...half my age would be about 23-24
[14:01] <P_O> DeDannan, ah.
[14:01] <][Hook][> it's either wife or knuckles
[14:01] <upskirt> i see
[14:01] <][Hook][> either way works for me
[14:01] <][Hook][> =]
[14:01] <upskirt> haha
[14:01] <DeDannan> wife or rosey
[14:01] <][Hook][> exactly
[14:01] <P_O> ][Hook][, I don't know what it's like to worry about getting laid either :P
[14:01] <][Hook][> Miss Palmer never says no!
[14:01] <P_O> And I haven't been married.
[14:01] <upskirt> or an extramarital
[14:02] <][Hook][> cheating sucks
[14:02] <upskirt> havent you considered that?
[14:02] <][Hook][> nope
[14:02] <DeDannan> ][Hook][. bigtime
[14:02] <][Hook][> why would I risk my family and life for a 2 second squirt?
[14:02] <P_O> If you're going to cheat, just live the singles life.
[14:02] <upskirt> hahaha
[14:02] <Katey> aside from the fact that it's betraying a trust, what a hassle it must be to
[14:02] <P_O> Nothing stops you from sleeping around when you're single.
[14:02] <FreeAlwys> Cheating is 30 minutes of sensuality and 30 years of regret.. I dont want
[14:02] <][Hook][> I can squirt just as well without cheating =]
[14:02] <upskirt> well put
[14:03] <upskirt> but it aint half as fun
[14:03] <DeDannan> or 3 minutes of sex and a lifetime of regret...
[14:03] <P_O> Depending on how long you last :P
[14:03] <FreeAlwys> Consider all the costs of divorce especially if you have kids.. Love the
[14:03] <DeDannan> doesnt bother some I guess...
[14:03] <][Hook][> plus I don't refrain from cheating for my wife... she wouldn't even know..
[14:03] * Guest57 is now known as OcDoc
[14:03] <FreeAlwys> Not only financial costs, but psychological costs.
[14:03] <][Hook][> s/it's/it'd
[14:03] <FreeAlwys> its devestating.
[14:03] <P_O> DeDannan, there are people who get off on the idea of cheating more than anythi
[14:03] <Katey> If you care so little about the person you're married to that you'd lie to th
[14:03] <Herzen> Timur routinely juggles two women
[14:04] <Herzen> I don't know how he does it
[14:04] <Herzen> I can't even juggle the one
[14:04] <Herzen> lol
[14:04] <Herzen> I keep dropping it
[14:04] <][Hook][> it's not that simple though... cheating does happen and it need not be the
[14:04] <FreeAlwys> Listen, Cheating 10 times and getting caught and divorced
[14:04] <DeDannan> P_O, yep..folks get off on weird stuff...dont make it right tho...
[14:04] <Katey> Herzen, you need to build up the core muscles
[14:04] <][Hook][> I just hope I don't have to find out either way
[14:04] <FreeAlwys> lets say you spend 2o hours cheating.
[14:04] <DeDannan> speaking of Timur..where's he been lately?
[14:05] <Herzen> he just moved
[14:05] <FreeAlwys> Ok You lose half your 500k net worth, and future income So lets say 700k
[14:05] <DeDannan> ah so
[14:05] <Herzen> he might still be shitlisted too
[14:05] <P_O> ][Hook][, meh, if someone cheated on me I'd probably dump them on the spot for
[14:05] <DeDannan> oh?
[14:05] <Katey> yes
[14:05] <Herzen> Yeah
[14:05] <FreeAlwys> 350/20 hours is the most expensive whore you could ever buy.
[14:05] <Herzen> Big-Nose Icarus flew to close to the sun
[14:05] <Herzen> and got shitlisted
[14:05] <RustyFord> FT
[14:05] <FreeAlwys> let me do the math
[14:05] <RustyFord> bet on OPEC
[14:05] <][Hook][> P_O: I doubt it'd be that simple after 10 or 15 years of their company
[14:05] <RustyFord> FT they are getting pissed
[14:05] <][Hook][> P_O: Perhaps for you it would... I dunno... for me it wouldn't
[14:05] <FreeAlwys> 17.500.00 an hour
[14:06] <RustyFord> next meeting that you see will have opec cutting production
[14:06] <P_O> ][Hook][, it probably wouldn't be.
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> 17,500.00
[14:06] <RustyFord> its a promise
[14:06] <P_O> I obviously won't know for at least another decade what that's like.
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> And thats assuming you have a net worth of 500k at about 50 ish
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> now say youhave a million
[14:06] <RustyFord> even if there is a leveling off at 65 a barrel
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> or 3 million
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> or even 250k
[14:06] <RustyFord> OPEC is loving the money of 65$ a barrel
[14:06] <P_O> FreeAlwys, by that argument
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> 7,500.00 an hour worth it for a whore ?
[14:06] <][Hook][> plus as much as a sucker as it sometimes makes me, I really believe in 2nd
[14:06] <P_O> if you cheat, you should cheat a lot until it gets down to call girl rates.
[14:06] <FreeAlwys> A prostitute?
[14:06] <RustyFord> they think that there is no immediate shock to the economy
[14:07] <P_O> ][Hook][, I'm a forgiving person.
[14:07] <RustyFord> but they don't understand that the shock comes later on
[14:07] <][Hook][> unless it's something so horrific that a 2nd chance just seems silly
[14:07] <P_O> But cheating is very stupid in my book.
[14:07] <RustyFord> they want the immediate money
[14:07] <FreeAlwys> If you were to cheat if you really felt that compelled, squash the compul
[14:07] <][Hook][> P_O: it is... and selfish
[14:07] <Katey> You can't depend on your wife/husband feeling that way though
[14:07] <RustyFord> Opec minister said 35$ a barrel
[14:07] <FreeAlwys> who usually is less interested in knowing you or wanting to marry you or
[14:07] <RustyFord> that was last year
[14:07] <P_O> I'd probably forgive the person very easily, doesn't mean I'd want to date them
[14:07] <FreeAlwys> There is a reason they are callled professionals ;)
[14:07] <RustyFord> but they are liking 65$
[14:07] <Katey> and really, regardless of whether or not they forgive you, it's still a very
[14:08] <Katey> if you care about that person, why hurt them that way?
[14:08] <FreeAlwys> Katey yep
[14:08] <RustyFord> aint that some shit
[14:08] <RustyFord> they said 30 last year
[14:08] <RustyFord> they are talking 60 this year
[14:08] <FreeAlwys> Katey, all people have to do is let their minds thing and not the blood f
[14:09] <FreeAlwys> What are the consequences of this to my life, my children, my love, my wo
[14:09] <FreeAlwys> If they think.
[14:09] <FreeAlwys> if they take their brain and focus it above the neck they will realize it
[14:09] <RustyFord> my child
[14:09] <RustyFord> or should i say my children
[14:09] <][Hook][> hell most cheaters think they won't get caught
[14:09] <Katey> Why would getting caught matter?
[14:09] <Katey> you still know that you did it
[14:10] <RustyFord> i did my cheating when i was 18 years old and not married=)
[14:10] <][Hook][> so the idea of what it would do to the other person probably never enters
[14:10] <Katey> conscience
[14:10] <DeDannan> as Whitman Mayo said in DC Cab..."Dont let your dick run your life"
[14:10] <FreeAlwys> My nephew and in this case maybe divorce was neccesary, But let me tell y
[14:10] <FreeAlwys> at age 4
[14:10] <KoBushi> Katey because some people don't care?
[14:10] <][Hook][> Katey: I totally agree with you, but not everyone pays much attention to t
[14:10] <Katey> KoBushi, then they should just get a divorce
[14:10] <DeDannan> that was Mr Rhythym's good advice :)
[14:10] <][Hook][> Katey: As I said earlier, I don't cheat for my own sake, not the sake of m
[14:10] <FreeAlwys> Ded haha yep.
[14:10] <KoBushi> Katey same is true of people who kill thier spouses... but it still happens
[14:10] <Katey> ][Hook][, well that's the best reason, really
[14:10] <][Hook][> that's a productive kind of selfishness.
[14:11] <DeDannan> under-rated movie that...
[14:11] <RustyFord> everyone is selfish
[14:11] <FreeAlwys> Selfinterest is what we all seek.. Sometimes being non selfish is in our
[14:11] <Katey> And on a practical note, just seems like a lot of extra stress and hassle
[14:11] <RustyFord> the idea that people aren't selfish is well.. assinine
[14:12] <FreeAlwys> Hook, I said the other day there are two mes.. The Dog and the Higher bei
[14:12] <RustyFord> the term "children" is used as a political catch phrase
[14:12] <RustyFord> these days
[14:13] <RustyFord> in fact i love all the political speeches these days
[14:13] <RustyFord> it always includes "Our children and our childrens children"
[14:13] <RustyFord> heh
[14:13] <RustyFord> gimme a break
[14:14] <FreeAlwys> The dog in my might enjoy some porn with baseball bats inserted into orif
[14:14] <FreeAlwys> But everyone has their own standards and I dont expext people to adopt mi
[14:14] <FreeAlwys> or vice versa
[14:14] <DeDannan> porn is ultimately depressing
[14:14] <Katey> baseball bat pron. hmm. a genre I wasn't aware of. :)
[14:14] <DeDannan> aside from being boring
[14:15] <RustyFord> show me a political speech these days that doesn't extend to "our childre
[14:15] <FreeAlwys> Yeah, its almost always exploitative for one thing..
[14:15] <RustyFord> hehhe
[14:15] <FreeAlwys> Among other.
[14:15] <FreeAlwys> s
[14:15] <RustyFord> its getting retarded
[14:15] <Katey> RustyFord, it's been argued that the entire purpose of human societies is to
[14:15] <RustyFord> how about the here and now
[14:16] <Katey> I think it was Skinner
[14:16] <Katey> But I might be remembering wrong
[14:16] <RustyFord> our childrens children aren't even here yet
[14:16] <RustyFord> and wtf
[14:16] <RustyFord> where did the word "Children" come from anyway?
[14:16] <DeDannan> i know of several people whose childrens children are here...
[14:16] <RustyFord> thats an interesting question
[14:16] <FreeAlwys> katey hmm I majored in that let me think..I dont think so.. but I could b
[14:16] <K0Bushi> sorry, lost my con. for a minute
[14:17] <Katey> FreeAlwys, no. that's not it
[14:17] * K0Bushi is now known as KoBushi
[14:17] <Katey> I think it was B.F. Skinner
[14:17] <FreeAlwys> I dont know Ive lost track of these guys..
[14:17] <Katey> but maybe not
[14:17] <RustyFord> when we as a nation depend on further generations to accomplish goals tha
[14:17] <KoBushi> Anyway, as I was saying before, the reason I don't "cheat" is because I'm h
[14:17] <RustyFord> we have lost our nation to an ideology that is unatainable
[14:17] <Katey> RustyFord, that's what society and big societal goals used to be about
[14:18] <FreeAlwys> I dont even believe that much in psychology anymore, I believe much more
[14:18] <NascarGuy> I think it is dangerous that we do not think multigenerationally as famil
[14:18] <RustyFord> i think Machiaveli said something like that
[14:18] <Katey> creating something that will benefit future generations
[14:18] <NascarGuy> hell we barely think past a pay cycle
[14:18] <FreeAlwys> Freud and Jung do nothing for me anymore.
[14:18] <Katey> things like infrastructure, etc
[14:18] <FreeAlwys> KobUshi, I call that the dog
[14:18] <FreeAlwys> The dog which lives in me.
[14:18] <RustyFord> Nascarguy i think its dangerous to put the burdens of this life time on t
[14:19] <Katey> Abandoning that ideal, the ideal of society building structures for future ge
[14:19] <FreeAlwys> Keep the dog leashed ;)
[14:19] <RustyFord> especially when so many of todays burdens can be solved IN OUR LIFE time
[14:19] <Katey> a product of the "I've got mine, so fuck you" ideology
[14:19] <NascarGuy> RustyFord: actually in the context of 'our children and childrens childre
[14:19] <KoBushi> FreeAlwys of course, but if she ever lets loose the leash, I'll still come
[14:19] <RustyFord> Nascar no
[14:19] <NascarGuy> that's it? no?
[14:19] <FreeAlwys> hehe..
[14:19] <NascarGuy> that's well thought out
[14:19] <RustyFord> it in fact calls upon this generation to burder the next generation with
[14:20] <RustyFord> get it?
[14:20] <NascarGuy> this is where we cite apposing speeches as references and it degenerates
[14:20] <RustyFord> opposing
[14:20] <NascarGuy> i know what you are saying, and there is no point in arguing with you abo
[14:20] <NascarGuy> opposing, sorry
[14:20] <RustyFord> because its the truth
[14:20] <KoBushi> Is there a neccesaity for society to continually set new goals? Should the
[14:21] <FreeAlwys> There is a part of the brain its I think closely associated with the brai
[14:21] <RustyFord> why take care of tomorrow when you can take care of tomorrow today?
[14:21] <FreeAlwys> So there is that dark side of us, which has been proven can be mass marke
[14:21] <FreeAlwys> Whether its barely legal..
[14:21] <NascarGuy> uh if you are that simple that you think every single statement of "our c
[14:21] <FreeAlwys> Or whether its BDSM
[14:21] <Katey> Shouldn't man always seek to reach beyond his grasp?
[14:21] <FreeAlwys> Or in some cases physical agression..
[14:21] <RustyFord> why sit here and claim that generations of people will be better off
[14:21] <RustyFord> ?
[14:21] <RustyFord> its a political stupidity
[14:21] <NascarGuy> because things take time
[14:21] <KoBushi> Katey indaviduals sure, but society? perhaps not
[14:21] <NascarGuy> you cannot do everything now
[14:21] <RustyFord> it sounds good
[14:21] <RustyFord> thats all
[14:21] <Katey> RustyFord, why was the interstate highway system built?
[14:22] <NascarGuy> and some patterns take generations to ferment
[14:22] <Katey> KoBushi, I think it should
[14:22] <FreeAlwys> People have to discover for themselves what really gives me happiness.
[14:22] <RustyFord> "I am going to build a park
[14:22] * KoBushi attempts to discover for himself what really gives FreeAlwys happiness
[14:22] <KoBushi> ;)
[14:22] <NascarGuy> for instance improving the mean average education of a community would ta
[14:22] <RustyFord> and this park will be here for my chillins chillins and the grand chillin
[14:22] <KoBushi> it's not working
[14:22] <RustyFord> etc etc etc
[14:22] <FreeAlwys> Is it the bdsm ? The next day do you really feel good ? or when you hug y
[14:22] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[14:22] * NascarGuy shrugs
[14:23] <FreeAlwys> KoBushi, well I am trying to touch on something philosophical through eve
[14:23] <RustyFord> seriously politicians have gone over board
[14:23] <KoBushi> FreeAlwys I don't know that "happiness" is the ultimate goal... endorphens
[14:23] <RustyFord> with the chillin's stuff
[14:23] <KoBushi> FreeAlwys if merely happiness could be said to be the goal, then everyone c
[14:23] <DeDannan> KoBushi, pass the soma
[14:24] <KoBushi> DeDannan what is "soma" ?
[14:24] <DeDannan> oh sorry...
[14:24] <RustyFord> the best speech ever
[14:24] <DeDannan> name of a drug in Huxley's "Brave New World"
[14:24] <RustyFord> was lincolns
[14:24] <RustyFord> Gettysburg adress when he quoted "Future generations"
[14:25] <RustyFord> ever since then america went stupid
[14:25] <RustyFord> in the 80's?
[14:25] <RustyFord> we got politicians up there talking "our children and their children and
[14:25] <FreeAlwys> Yeah, there is another movies out sort of based on the same premise as Br
[14:25] <FreeAlwys> One guy stops taking his drug..
[14:26] <NascarGuy> this sounds like teh debate between 'blink' and 'think'
[14:26] <NascarGuy> in terms of time scales
[14:26] <NascarGuy> where RustyFord is in the blink camp
[14:26] <FreeAlwys> One of the Master enforcers of people who enjoy crimes of art and pleasur
[14:26] <FreeAlwys> et
[14:26] <FreeAlwys> etc
[14:26] <RustyFord> hmmm
[14:26] <NascarGuy> i've not really been able to decide which is superior
[14:26] <RustyFord> i never heard it termed that way Nascar
[14:27] <RustyFord> i would beg that you enlighten us though
[14:27] <FreeAlwys> I likes the movie serenity..
[14:27] <FreeAlwys> likes
[14:27] <FreeAlwys> liked.
[14:27] <FreeAlwys> and like.
[14:27] <NascarGuy> there are two books, one called 'blink' and a response book called 'think
[14:27] <NascarGuy> that address the issue in a generic manner
[14:27] <RustyFord> Nascar if it was up to me and I was george Bush i wouldn't have blinked i
[14:28] <FreeAlwys> Sorry folks
[14:28] <RustyFord> but i am not george bush
[14:28] <jhicks> thanks!
[14:28] <FreeAlwys> bots arent always voicing anymore
[14:28] <OcDoc> wow ... so all those posts never made it? no wonder no one noticed me
[14:28] <FreeAlwys> try to get an ops attention if you can
[14:28] <OcDoc> Brave New World
[14:28] <NascarGuy> blink means thinking about the moment
[14:28] <OcDoc> wow ... so all those posts never made it? no wonder no one noticed me
[14:28] <FreeAlwys> OcDoc, I apologize.
[14:28] <NascarGuy> which i think is what you are advocating
[14:28] <OcDoc> okay, not a single response to any of my posts ... I'll give up now
[14:28] <OcDoc> or other less beneficial forms of social relationships
[14:28] <OcDoc> society was formed by volunteers to make other less beneficial forms of socie
[14:28] <FreeAlwys> Didnt see it.
[14:28] <RustyFord> Nascar no one can predict the future
[14:28] <OcDoc> Free: the dog IS you, or part of you, and don't forget it
[14:28] <jhicks> DeDannan: Didn't Huxley write another book, "Doors of Perception" or somesuc
[14:28] <RustyFord> you can only go with what is presented to you
[14:28] <OcDoc> Q'ateh: Skinner was very bright but not perfect
[14:29] <OcDoc> what a waste
[14:29] <RustyFord> thinking is well
[14:29] <NascarGuy> you just infered future prediction
[14:29] <NascarGuy> anyway, like i said, go wild, i'm out
[14:29] <DeDannan> jhicks, yep
[14:29] <OcDoc> this is the last time I'll try to chat through Ircpolitics.org
[14:29] <FreeAlwys> OcDoc, Of course as I said I believe its in my brain stem and frontal cor
[14:29] <RustyFord> nascar as my step dad used to say who was a cavalry man
[14:29] <pilgrim`> Julian or Aldous?
[14:29] <FreeAlwys> :)
[14:29] <RustyFord> "you can't ride pretty"
[14:29] <OcDoc> I must have posted thirty lines and nobody saw any of them and no message tha
[14:30] <FreeAlwys> We all have an irrational side.
[14:30] <RustyFord> Nascar i said
[14:30] <FreeAlwys> we all have carry I believe (Quote) 100s of 1000s of years of evolution w
[14:30] <FreeAlwys> its enough
[14:30] <FreeAlwys> the pain and pleasure centers are very close
[14:30] <RustyFord> <+RustyFord> Nascar if it was up to me and I was george Bush i woul
[14:31] <FreeAlwys> which gives legitimacy to eastern philosophy and religion
[14:31] <FreeAlwys> They recognize that.
[14:31] <DeDannan> pilgrim`, Aldous of course
[14:31] <FreeAlwys> Buddhism ironically is often an exotic religion for hippies..
[14:31] <RustyFord> and then you said [17:29] <+NascarGuy> you just infered future pred
[14:31] <FreeAlwys> But its about controlling ones self and mastering his desire and not indu
[14:32] <RustyFord> so explain to me out of everything i said how there was an infered future
[14:32] <NascarGuy> 00:27 + RustyFord | you can only go with what is presented to you
[14:32] <RustyFord> and?
[14:32] <RustyFord> how is that infering anything
[14:32] <FreeAlwys> Buddhism in some ways could be said to be a very repressive religion :) O
[14:32] <RustyFord> especially about the future?
[14:32] <NascarGuy> uhm, people infer things with every statement they make
[14:32] <RustyFord> you were the one who accused me of "infering something"
[14:33] <FreeAlwys> Ihave $12.15 cents in my account.. Thats not an inferrence, thats a fact.
[14:33] <NascarGuy> it wasn't an accusation
[14:33] <RustyFord> i am telling you that you can only go with what is present
[14:33] <FreeAlwys> AS a hypothetical ;)
[14:33] <RustyFord> so tell me
[14:33] <NascarGuy> FreeAlwys: it infers you use dollars and cents to denominate your money
[14:33] <FreeAlwys> No look up inference.
[14:33] <RustyFord> how is that "futuristic"?
[14:33] <RustyFord> heh thank you FT
[14:33] <NascarGuy> look i don't want to get into a fight RustyFord
[14:33] <NascarGuy> and clearly we are from different schools of thought
[14:33] <FreeAlwys> INference is more subtle than implied..
[14:33] <RustyFord> apparently some people want to redefine words here
[14:33] <NascarGuy> i said whatever, i'm out of this convo
[14:33] <FreeAlwys> and more intuitive.
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> When I say I have $5 in my pocket there is 0 inference...
[14:34] <rumbleca> I think extreme buddhism is meant for only orphans, has anyone else heard
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> Its a purely statement of fact, assuming its ture
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> true
[14:34] <NascarGuy> http://www.answers.com/topic/infer
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> and if I find whoops
[14:34] <NascarGuy> To conclude from evidence or premises.
[14:34] <RustyFord> FT, its funny people sit here and try to debate me
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> I have $6, am I a liar
[14:34] <RustyFord> they wonder why i call them idiots and morons
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> O did make a mistake ?
[14:34] <NascarGuy> i can infer that you use dollars and cents to denominate your money
[14:34] <FreeAlwys> Is it Free Lied and people died ?
[14:34] <NascarGuy> it is not a fact
[14:35] <RustyFord> when they don't know the meanings of words that they use
[14:35] <NascarGuy> you did not state 'i use dollars and cents to denominate your money'
[14:35] <FreeAlwys> Or is it free Miscounted and we ended up in war anyway
[14:35] <FreeAlwys> Even though I reject the premise that we went to war for wmd
[14:35] <RustyFord> 00:27 + RustyFord | you can only go with what is presented to you
[14:35] <FreeAlwys> we went to war because the international community would only approve of
[14:35] <Agent48> u aint no different from a gold digga thats why i rock ice to show u im a c
[14:35] <NascarGuy> your=my
[14:35] <RustyFord> tell me Nascar how is that using anything but what you have?
[14:36] <FreeAlwys> We had approved of it for many reasons.
[14:36] <FreeAlwys> We americans
[14:36] <FreeAlwys> But the UN said only if you do this will we give you authorization to tak
[14:36] <RustyFord> nascar guy do you know the meaning of the word "present"
[14:36] <FreeAlwys> and even though the UN didnt define the action every one knew exactly wha
[14:36] <RustyFord> i mean seriously
[14:36] <NascarGuy> just woke up here btw, having my first coffee
[14:36] <FreeAlwys> If Iraq failed to comply fully they all new we intended to go to war
[14:37] <FreeAlwys> its cover for them so they can say they didnt knwo it
[14:37] <RustyFord> hahaha yeh thats it
[14:37] <RustyFord> anyway
[14:37] <FreeAlwys> But they all knew it
[14:37] <FreeAlwys> and that is the big lie.
[14:37] <NascarGuy> RustyFord: i was talking to FreeAlwys
[14:37] <NascarGuy> as for you i am unsure how to deal with your conversation
[14:37] <RustyFord> is that why you cut and paste my name?
[14:37] <NascarGuy> 00:35 + NascarGuy | just woke up here btw, having my first coffee
[14:37] <RustyFord> and debated me?
[14:38] <RustyFord> ohh i see
[14:38] <NascarGuy> i typoed when i said something to freealways
[14:38] <NascarGuy> and to you earlier
[14:38] <RustyFord> conveniently you have switched the subject
[14:38] <NascarGuy> it's late here
[14:38] <RustyFord> next
[14:38] <NascarGuy> no i was talking to two people
[14:38] <RustyFord> anyway
[14:38] <RustyFord> have fun man
[14:38] <NascarGuy> look dude you are obviously looking for an argument
[14:38] <RustyFord> uhhmmm
[14:38] <NascarGuy> that's why i don't see any point
[14:38] <RustyFord> i am?
[14:38] <FreeAlwys> Ive been having a hell of a time getting good sleep. I just dont feel sle
[14:38] <NascarGuy> i've just changed from day shift to night shift
[14:38] <FreeAlwys> I am wondering if sleeping pills would be of any benefit..
[14:38] <NascarGuy> it sucks
[14:38] <FreeAlwys> or if they would just slow my morning
[14:39] <RustyFord> you were the one who disagreed with my point and then you claimed that yo
[14:39] <FreeAlwys> Some of the ads these days.
[14:39] <NascarGuy> i do disagree with it RustyFord
[14:39] <RustyFord> and now you are claiming i am looking for an arguement
[14:39] <L0c0> i masturbate A LOT....wears me out...i sleep great
[14:39] <RustyFord> now fuck off
[14:39] <NascarGuy> my typos are explained by me just waking up
[14:39] <FreeAlwys> Non narcotic, non habit forming, wake up feeling like you have slept ?
[14:39] <NascarGuy> not my disagreement
[14:39] <RustyFord> you are really one of the likes we have a problem with in here
[14:39] <FreeAlwys> The old pills used to get you to sleep but 10 hours later you didnt feel
[14:39] <NascarGuy> what did i do?
[14:39] <NascarGuy> seriously?
[14:40] <NascarGuy> woke up and disagreed with the idea that we shouldn't think multigenerati
[14:40] <NascarGuy> that's not really a bad thing...
[14:40] <RustyFord> you "suddenly woke up
[14:40] <FreeAlwys> Ive never taken sleeping pills for sleping other than over the counter an
[14:40] <RustyFord> after 40 minutes of debate
[14:40] <NascarGuy> i come on irc when i wake up and have my coffee
[14:40] <RustyFord> he "suddenly woke up"
[14:40] <RustyFord> riiiiight
[14:40] <NascarGuy> i've been awake for an hour or more
[14:40] <TheTailor> FT, see your messages
[14:40] <FreeAlwys> But I would be curious to try the new ones if they are what they claim.
[14:40] <NascarGuy> anyway i'm sorry if i antagonised you man
[14:41] <L0c0> "Now, if that mission statement changes — if there is seen a larger role for c
[14:41] <rumbleca> nascarguy: don't worry about it, hes always this way
[14:41] <L0c0> when he says "metrics" is he refering to # of troops?
[14:41] <NascarGuy> it doesn't seem very productive
[14:41] <RustyFord> well no i was just wondering what you mean by infer
[14:42] <DeDannan> L0c0, probably...along with the attendant material support
[14:43] <L0c0> i'd never seen the term used like that
[14:43] <RustyFord> heh
[14:43] <DeDannan> L0c0, jargonese is a military specialty :)
[14:43] <RustyFord> i see it used by lefties all the time
[14:43] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 give me the context metrics was used in
[14:43] <FreeAlwys> Or did you post it ?
[14:43] <RustyFord> infer, antagonize, etc etc etcetc
[14:44] <L0c0> i did
[14:44] <L0c0> "Now, if that mission statement changes — if there is seen a larger role for c
[14:44] <RustyFord> these guys are classics
[14:44] <FreeAlwys> No it doesnt mean troop levels.
[14:44] <L0c0> the context was when he as asked if he has enough troops for his current missi
[14:44] <NascarGuy> RustyFord: he was talking about 'metrics' not what i said. and i'm not a
[14:44] <FreeAlwys> it is more like the I use this word myself a lot. Its difficult. The stan
[14:44] <DeDannan> L0c0, he who?
[14:44] <FreeAlwys> The metric
[14:44] <L0c0> his current mission is training iraqis
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> the standard the equation
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> the balance
[14:45] <DeDannan> Petraus?
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> the strategy
[14:45] <RustyFord> Nascar i made a mistake i was reading L0c0
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> the thinking
[14:45] <RustyFord> and commented to quickly
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> The paradigm
[14:45] <RustyFord> now take a break before you break your neck
[14:45] <L0c0> that could/woudl include a rise or drop in troop levels no?
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> it could
[14:45] <RustyFord> or get your neck broke
[14:45] <FreeAlwys> I could mean troops rises but it doesnt neccessarily
[14:45] <L0c0> DeDannan: Marine Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer
[14:46] <DeDannan> ah
[14:46] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: since the article is talking about troops levels, I just figured it
[14:46] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 is this the guy who said his comments were taken out of their contex
[14:46] <DeDannan> L0c0, probably
[14:46] <FreeAlwys> The Marine ?
[14:47] <L0c0> Marine Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer
[14:47] <DeDannan> since metrics refers to a standard of measurement...a means to quantify so
[14:47] <L0c0> i'd just never heard/read the word "metrics" used to mean an amount of somethi
[14:48] <FreeAlwys> Metric in this usage is almost a new usage, I use the term a lot. there i
[14:48] <DeDannan> obviously if his mission changes...his needs to accomplish the new mission
[14:48] <FreeAlwys> Its almost like I said, its almost like paradigm..and yet that doesnt fit
[14:48] <L0c0> that's what i figured when i read metrics
[14:48] <rumbleca> a metric is a measurement, quantification
[14:48] <FreeAlwys> A new metric.
[14:48] <FreeAlwys> new method and yet that doesnt fit perfectly
[14:49] <FreeAlwys> Yes but the context in which words gain use can change their meaning
[14:49] <FreeAlwys> and this is an evolving term
[14:49] <FreeAlwys> I have been using it a lot lately
[14:49] <FreeAlwys> In the last 6 months.
[14:49] <WildOscar> in hipster jargon fin means lame and deck means cool. dont ask me why.
[14:49] <FreeAlwys> Measurement is another example but it isnt perfect in this context.
[14:50] <RustyFord> ahhh
[14:50] <rumbleca> measurement is an abiguous word, yes
[14:50] <FreeAlwys> measurement, paradign, plan, rational
[14:50] <rumbleca> would you say that a metric is a method of mesurement?
[14:50] <FreeAlwys> it Definately implies looking a neew
[14:50] <FreeAlwys> a new
[14:50] <FreeAlwys> And reanalyzing
[14:51] <RustyFord> why sit here and explain it
[14:51] <RustyFord> heh
[14:52] <FreeAlwys> A new standrard a new metric.. Metric fits intuitively and I can say exac
[14:52] <TomM--> poetic measurement!
[14:52] <FreeAlwys> can't
[14:52] <Rebec> hey tommy
[14:52] <FreeAlwys> TomM :)
[14:52] <TomM--> trollop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
[14:52] <Rebec> Tommy you strumpette you
[14:52] <TomM--> hehe
[14:52] <FreeAlwys> l0co, But is this the marine general we were talkign about ?
[14:52] <RustyFord> heh
[14:52] <WildOscar> what happen to the think metric campaign of a few years ago. the construc
[14:52] <RustyFord> TomM
[14:52] <FreeAlwys> Who has been in the headlines ?
[14:53] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: yes, Marine Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer
[14:53] <Rebec> hey fisch
[14:53] <FreeAlwys> Because You never responded or at least I dont remember when I mentioned
[14:53] <FreeAlwys> For exampkle what if was asked to write a worst case scenario report ?
[14:53] <FreeAlwys> And it leaked ?
[14:53] <L0c0> actually i responded twice
[14:53] <FreeAlwys> Then is that his opinion ?"
[14:53] <FreeAlwys> Or was it his job ?
[14:54] <FreeAlwys> Also he did mention that he didnt talk about the positives and he acknowl
[14:54] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: yesterday when i mentioned it I also said this: [16:03] <L0c0&g
[14:54] <TomM--> Free...are u sure u dont work for Rove? :)
[14:54] <FreeAlwys> L0c0, right, Ok I appreciate that I didnt see it.
[14:54] <L0c0> refering to the context in which the report was being used by media
[14:54] <L0c0> np
[14:54] <FreeAlwys> I think he might of commented a couple times on it but I am not sure.
[14:54] <FreeAlwys> It clearly does tell you though its a very tough battle in that province.
[14:55] <FreeAlwys> Cant deny that by any reading of it.
[14:55] <L0c0> the actual report though was written by Col. Pete Devlin
[14:55] <FreeAlwys> I heard the author, had said it was not represnted right.
[14:55] <TheTailor> Did the actual report say anything positive?
[14:56] <L0c0> Zilner was put forward as a spokesman by the Pentagon
[14:56] <FreeAlwys> Now who that is I dont know.. exactly..
[14:56] <FreeAlwys> I presume its devlin
[14:56] <TomM--> TheTailor!! didnt see you....lying in the weeds! :)
[14:56] <L0c0> Zilmer said he agreed with the assessment by Devlin, who works for Zilmer, and
[14:56] <FreeAlwys> Are two generals commenting ont his ? That I am not aware of
[14:56] <FreeAlwys> Oh ok
[14:56] <TomM--> TheTailor waiting to pounce on the little Irish kid were ya?
[14:57] <TheTailor> TomM--, well if you would stop practicing your belly dancing and pay atte
[14:57] <FreeAlwys> well I heard a report late in the afteroon yesterday that the author said
[14:57] <TomM--> lol
[14:57] <FreeAlwys> again, I can not say why.
[14:57] <FreeAlwys> He did comment on things like it didnt include positive stuff, what does
[14:57] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: I think that'd be Devlin. i think that's who i may have been refer
[14:58] <FreeAlwys> Does it mean he was supposed to give a worst case scenario ? A probabilit
[14:58] <FreeAlwys> All the times these guys are asked for their worst assessments, their bes
[14:58] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: no, i believe was giving an assessment of the situation in the al-a
[14:58] <FreeAlwys> What is our biggest challenge in your opinion and have it on my desk mond
[14:59] <FreeAlwys> What reasons would you have for optimism ?
[14:59] <FreeAlwys> What do you think could change the situation ?
[14:59] <FreeAlwys> Thats part of a generals job ;)
[14:59] <Katey> ahh. It's so wonderfully cool outside this evening
[14:59] <FreeAlwys> And colonels sometimes ;)
[14:59] <Katey> I love Fall
[14:59] <L0c0> They asked about troop levels and he said that for his current mission (traini
[14:59] <RustyFord> FT
[14:59] <Herzen> Autumn is the best season
[14:59] <TomM--> FreeAlwys wish he had listened to worst assessments prior to starting this w
[14:59] <RustyFord> give me a run down of materials and workers
[14:59] <L0c0> but if the mission changed (to victory over the insurgency in al-anbar) that t
[15:00] <Herzen> Katey, I love November if it hasn't snowed yet
[15:00] <RustyFord> and i could give you the challenges on Monday morning
[15:00] <L0c0> i assumed that to mean an increase in troop levels
[15:00] <FreeAlwys> Well they added 5k. to the Baghdad area, I think that situation getting o
[15:00] <Herzen> Katey, so its like 10-20F out and just desolate but you can go out and do st
[15:00] <RustyFord> i need site assumptions as well
[15:00] <Katey> Herzen, having cool weather so early in September is a treat for us here in V
[15:00] <RustyFord> i love doing that shit
[15:00] <FreeAlwys> It got really bad.. quickly
[15:00] <Katey> usually still hot and summery
[15:00] <Herzen> Katey, its about 40F here today
[15:01] <Katey> so we'll likely have another hot spell before it settles in to be cold
[15:01] <RustyFord> thats all engineer work
[15:01] <Herzen> Katey, which is standard for mid september
[15:01] <FreeAlwys> I found it interesting that Al sadyr wants more autonomy from iran than s
[15:01] <FreeAlwys> Since people seemed to imply he was an agent for Iran
[15:01] <RustyFord> and then hiring the right people to over come the engineers bad prophecy
[15:01] <WildOscar> my parents got married in newport news, va when my father was in the navy
[15:01] <Katey> Herzen, in the 60's here
[15:01] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: i hope more follow his lead
[15:01] <FreeAlwys> He is one who is demanding a unified Iraq territorially at least.
[15:01] <Lupine|> Newport News should be the paper of Newport.. not the dang city name!
[15:01] <Katey> you can usually wear your sandals through half of October here
[15:02] <Fischbek> Lupine| indeed!
[15:02] <FreeAlwys> L0c0 well this man worries me of course, he is a cold blooded murderer
[15:02] <RustyFord> FT yeh unified under HIS religious reign
[15:02] <FreeAlwys> and his death squads are half the problem.
[15:02] <Herzen> Katey, I hate weather thats too warm
[15:02] <FreeAlwys> But then I see his political statements and I agree with them..
[15:02] <FreeAlwys> its difficult
[15:02] <Katey> Herzen, yeah. I'm not a fan of extreme heat myself
[15:02] <Herzen> Katey, 80F is about my limit
[15:03] <Herzen> Katey, i like between 10F and 50F mostly
[15:03] <CryHavoc> heh Herzen...
[15:03] <CryHavoc> wuss ;)
[15:03] <FreeAlwys> Rusty, if he thinks he could rule the kurdish north I think he would find
[15:03] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: BUT...
[15:03] <L0c0> haha
[15:03] <FreeAlwys> Not the victor
[15:03] <Herzen> CryHavoc, says you who hide in Florida when it gets cold
[15:03] <Katey> also, when it's cooler there's less bugs
[15:03] <CryHavoc> I have been in 51 C before
[15:03] <Herzen> Katey, and better fishing
[15:03] <L0c0> FreeAlwys: i was about to say that politically he would be what's needed
[15:03] <Katey> so I can leave my back door open and let the cool air in
[15:03] <Lupine|> Herzen: you ever done the polar bear swim?
[15:03] <CryHavoc> Herzen..I lived 21 years in snowbelt country
[15:03] <WildOscar> I like the weather in sonoma county california and the kona coast on the
[15:03] <Herzen> CryHavoc, what country is that?
[15:03] <Herzen> Lupine|, Nah, I like cold but i'm not stupid
[15:03] <Katey> Herzen, the nation of Snowbelt
[15:03] <RustyFord> FT, I think that if he thinks that he can rule anywhere outside of Shia n
[15:04] <Katey> :P
[15:04] <RustyFord> you would look at his assasination
[15:04] <RustyFord> personally?
[15:04] <FreeAlwys> You guys see where the most evil nations in the world are gathering today
[15:04] <RustyFord> i don't understand why he has not been arrested
[15:04] <CryHavoc> Herzen.... or Snow Belt...
[15:04] <RustyFord> he is implicated in several murders
[15:04] <CryHavoc> MI MA and OH
[15:04] <BillFrugg> Cuba!
[15:04] <FreeAlwys> it would be political suicide but it would be Heroic martyrdom for Bush t
[15:04] <Herzen> lol
[15:04] <Herzen> thats not much of snow belt
[15:04] <RustyFord> and is implicated in many other insurgent activities
[15:04] <FreeAlwys> To mass bomb their meeting
[15:04] <CryHavoc> but saw snow in TX 2 times... Las Vegas 3
[15:05] <TomM--> Shia and Sunni have been at it for 1400 years and the Great Adapter and Deci
[15:05] <BillFrugg> that would be nice, FreeAlwys
[15:05] <RustyFord> he has been given many chances to go with the "norm"
[15:05] <CryHavoc> Herzen yes it is...
[15:05] <RustyFord> and he refuses
[15:05] <BillFrugg> all the world's problems in one place at one time
[15:05] <CryHavoc> I have been in -26 Fahrenheit
[15:05] <Lupine|> Herzen: wuss, you need to try it at least once
[15:05] <RustyFord> he needs to be eliminated from the process
[15:05] <CryHavoc> and worked in -10
[15:05] <Herzen> CryHavoc, It routinely becomes -40F here
[15:05] <DeDannan> TomM--, why do you hate America?
[15:05] <RustyFord> FT have you ever seen this guy in prayers?
[15:05] <Herzen> CryHavoc, Usually a week per year
[15:05] <FreeAlwys> TomM, the major problem is not shia/sunni. Its much more complicated. the
[15:05] <RustyFord> i watched a video of him
[15:05] <BillFrugg> Herzen, is that C or F?
[15:05] <Herzen> BillFrugg, both
[15:05] <BillFrugg> :D
[15:05] <RustyFord> he goes into a "trance"
[15:05] <Herzen> -40C = -40F
[15:05] <FreeAlwys> Whereas the sunny Al Queda are fanatically religious
[15:05] <Lupine|> <-- did his polar bear swim in ~ 10F near Duluth, Minn
[15:05] <BillFrugg> most people would have to look
[15:05] <RustyFord> the guys sick as hell
[15:05] <Katey> Herzen shares the sauna with Koook
[15:06] <RustyFord> i mean mentally he is sick
[15:06] <CryHavoc> yer welcome to it Herzen....but I have lived in cold weather area....I fin
[15:06] <FreeAlwys> The sunnis controled a secular bath'hist evil regime remember
[15:06] <RustyFord> its disgusting
[15:06] <L0c0> you guy ssaw about this NATO guy that wants more troops in Afghanistan right?
[15:06] <Herzen> CryHavoc, enjoy the roaches and bad fishing then
[15:06] <Lupine|> CryHavoc: hey, when you think of Lantana FL, what do you think of?
[15:06] <Herzen> oh, and bums
[15:06] <FreeAlwys> and flourished under it
[15:06] <Herzen> the best thing about living where I live
[15:06] <CryHavoc> no roaches here....
[15:06] <L0c0> i think NATO countries said they wouldnt' send any more troops
[15:06] <Herzen> is all teh bums freeze to death or go to prison in the winter
[15:06] * Herzen thumbs up
[15:06] <TomM--> DeDannan because I am a traitor and a member of the blame America first grou
[15:06] <RustyFord> FT, El Sadr is no different than a Jim Jones
[15:06] <CryHavoc> bunches of neat non-poisonous lizards though :)
[15:06] <DeDannan> TomM--, just checking :)
[15:06] <FreeAlwys> TomM, its a huge mistake to think in terms of sunny vs Shia
[15:06] <FreeAlwys> its much much more complcated
[15:06] <panini> Lupine|, 10F would be ice :)
[15:06] <L0c0> "NATO refusing to send more troops to Afghanistan" (on Lou Dobbs)
[15:06] <CryHavoc> in Canada the roaches knit themselves thermals
[15:07] <Lupine|> panini: not in a big body of water!
[15:07] <TomM--> FreeAlwys true, but its an important aspect.
[15:07] <Lupine|> although.. even the Niagra falls freezes over occassionally
[15:07] <RustyFord> FT
[15:07] <FreeAlwys> For example we have shia/iranian friendships, we hage shia/iranian suspic
[15:07] <CryHavoc> Free...especially when other factions are around
[15:07] <RustyFord> do you remeber Jim Jones?
[15:07] <Lupine|> LANTANA, Fla. --It seems a father's plan to cure his daughter's fear of hei
[15:07] <RustyFord> thats Al Sadtr
[15:07] <Lupine|> Meagan made the jump safely, but her father ended up with a broken leg.
[15:07] <Lupine|> doh!
[15:07] <FreeAlwys> and we have almost atheistic sunnis and we have fanatical islamic sunnis
[15:07] <CryHavoc> if the Lebanese Christians start anything,...the shia and Sunnis there wil
[15:08] <RustyFord> except he is able to live freely amongst the people of Iraq
[15:08] <RustyFord> he is a moron
[15:08] <RustyFord> he needs to be arrested and taken out
[15:08] <FreeAlwys> We have countries where sunni and shia live together relatively ok.
[15:08] <RustyFord> it needs to be understood that religious extremism has no place in the un
[15:08] <TomM--> Free...key word there is "relatively"!
[15:08] <RustyFord> stop playing around with these people
[15:08] <FreeAlwys> TomM, But its not black and white as you try to paint it.
[15:08] <DeDannan> in terms of the totality of Islam...Shia are a small minority...
[15:09] <FreeAlwys> Shia are 15% of muslims
[15:09] <Katey> RustyFord, I really don't think it's up to us
[15:09] <Katey> :)
[15:09] <FreeAlwys> Arabs are 15% of muslims
[15:09] <DeDannan> Islam is overwhelmingly Sunni
[15:09] <CryHavoc> Shi'a are approx. 10% of Muslims
[15:09] <Katey> they'll have to decide this matter themselves
[15:09] <FreeAlwys> I just stated the facts as they were last recorded
[15:09] <FreeAlwys> 15% shia
[15:09] <DeDannan> and Shia Arabs are the smallest minority yet
[15:09] <FreeAlwys> 15% arab muslims 85% are not even arabs..
[15:10] <DeDannan> as most Shia are Persian
[15:10] <FreeAlwys> yep
[15:10] <FreeAlwys> Ded, Yep
[15:10] * Guest76 is now known as OcDoc
[15:10] <TomM--> CryHavoc I saw a hearing on CSpan today that put it closer to 20%
[15:10] <Katey> Indonesia has the world's largest Muslim population
[15:10] <CryHavoc> Iran and Iraq have most of the SHia
[15:10] <CryHavoc> Indonesia = 25% of Muslims
[15:10] <DeDannan> therein lies another division..the historic rivalry between the Arab and P
[15:10] <FreeAlwys> katey yep
[15:10] <FreeAlwys> Ded, yep.
[15:10] <DeDannan> back to the days of the Sassanids
[15:11] <FreeAlwys> hehehe I am not trying to yep everyone but everyone is bring out importan
[15:11] <RustyFord> ocDoc
[15:11] <DeDannan> Abbasids
[15:11] <OcDoc> RustyDude
[15:11] <BillFrugg> yep
[15:11] <OcDoc> FreeAlwys: yep
[15:11] <FreeAlwys> Thats why a arab/persian sia alliance isnt guranteed at all..
[15:11] <RustyFord> hahaha did you guys see that special they had on Rodney dangerfield last
[15:11] <CryHavoc> YEARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:11] <DeDannan> but currently in Iraq..the divisions do seem to be drawn on Sunni/Shia lin
[15:11] <FreeAlwys> OcDoc yep
[15:11] <RustyFord> "No respect!"
[15:11] <TomM--> no! have to keep up my image!
[15:11] <RustyFord> hahahhaha
[15:12] <DeDannan> with the Kurds wanting desparately to stay out of the way...
[15:12] <FreeAlwys> But the sunny in Iraq are much different than the sunni in Saudi arabia f
[15:12] <OcDoc> RustyFord doesn't get any respect
[15:12] <RustyFord> hey at least when i walk off stage "gimmeoneofdeez"
[15:12] <L0c0> WASHINGTON Republicans tried Wednesday to curb the explosive growth of Indian
[15:12] <DeDannan> an independent Kurdistan would be nice....
[15:12] <TomM--> anyone know...were the 9/11 attackers sunni Arabs?
[15:12] <DeDannan> then we'd have a real ally in the area...
[15:12] <OcDoc> hey, sooner or later they will over-build the casinos anyway
[15:12] <DeDannan> TomM--, to a man yes
[15:13] <L0c0> Texas did away w/ indian casinos
[15:13] <L0c0> hehe
[15:13] <TomM--> DeDannan wow I didnt know that.
[15:13] <OcDoc> TomM: does anyone know the 9/11 attackers?
[15:13] <DeDannan> yep
[15:13] <FreeAlwys> Kurds are sunnis and yet they are enemies of the bath'hist sunnis
[15:13] * BillFrugg wonders if they indians have a casino on the site of Little Big Horn
[15:13] <L0c0> OH MAN
[15:13] <DeDannan> Kurds are overwhelmingly pro american...
[15:13] <L0c0> holy cow
[15:13] <L0c0> this ishuge
[15:14] <Lupine|> Damn, twobar busted again: cause tresspassing in a sheep pen with bottle o
[15:14] <OcDoc> DeDannan: we day oney fwends
[15:14] <DeDannan> hence an independent state would be a benefit to both the Kurds and the US
[15:14] <DeDannan> and to hell with what Ankara thinks
[15:14] <L0c0> Prepare yourselves..the end is here
[15:14] <L0c0> this has to be a sure sign of the apocolypse
[15:14] <L0c0> Whitney Houston Files For Divorce From Bobby Brown: http://cbs13.com/seenon/l
[15:14] <OcDoc> DeDannan: so you're a fan of balkanization of the middle east?
[15:15] <FreeAlwys> 4right now there are multiple shia factions in Iraq too.
[15:15] <FreeAlwys> it is in fact very pluralistic
[15:15] <TomM--> sigh...I lost my Twobie to ewes!!!
[15:15] <OcDoc> DeDanna: because it worked so well in the Balkans?
[15:15] <FreeAlwys> which causes problems for true civil wars.
[15:15] <DeDannan> OcDoc, as it's already been 'balkanized'...
[15:15] <BillFrugg> hehe.... Call Osama and tell him Whitney's available
[15:15] <L0c0> when 2 crackheads can't get along...there's no hope for republicans/democrats,
[15:15] <L0c0> *sigh*
[15:15] <FreeAlwys> tey all need somet central purpose to unite against
[15:15] <L0c0> hahha
[15:15] <Katey> L0c0, jeeze. What could he have done? She didn't dump him when he went to j
[15:15] <FreeAlwys> pardon my typing
[15:15] <L0c0> or when he smacked her around
[15:15] <L0c0> haha
[15:16] <DeDannan> OcDoc, actually it did, with the exception of Yugoslavia...
[15:16] * OcDoc pardons FreeAlwys
[15:16] <Lupine|> SEPTEMBER 7--In what appears to be a Department of Justice first, federal o
[15:16] <DeDannan> which is what Iraq is similar to....
[15:16] <TomM--> kissup OcDoc!
[15:16] <OcDoc> DeDannan: I thought balkanization of the blakans led to world war one and two
[15:16] <DeDannan> OcDoc, Serbian expansionism...
[15:16] <FreeAlwys> I have no clue what Bukkake is ?
[15:17] <FreeAlwys> What is it or do I even want to know ?
[15:17] <Lupine|> FA: don't look it up.. it's um.. pretty damn vile
[15:17] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: you don't want to know
[15:17] * BillFrugg doesn't want to know
[15:17] <TomM--> Free me either! lol
[15:17] <DeDannan> ah well...time to flee
[15:17] <DeDannan> cheers kids
[15:17] <TomM--> or is neither?
[15:17] <OcDoc> Lupine, of course, knows EXACTLY what bukkake is
[15:17] <Lupine|> OcDoc: the sad truth is.. having traveled to japan.. you encounter it
[15:17] <BillFrugg> my dictionary asked if i meant 'backache'
[15:18] <OcDoc> Lupine: oh ... right ... that's the explanation
[15:18] <Rebec> hey ocdoc
[15:18] <OcDoc> hey Rebec
[15:18] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake
[15:18] <Lupine|> OcDoc: you know they literally have vending machines that despense soiled g
[15:18] <Tach> o yo y man
[15:18] <Lupine|> Japan and Germany have some really really fucked up fetishes
[15:18] <Tach> Rebeccorn
[15:18] <OcDoc> Lupine: actually, no ... I didn't know that
[15:18] <Tach> what is wrong with my nick
[15:18] <Tach> oh, a delay
[15:19] <Melmoth> Lupine|: AND, they have the same legal system ... hmm ...
[15:19] <TomM--> its tacky?
[15:19] <OcDoc> Tach: Tom Delay
[15:19] <Lupine|> OcDoc: yea, I had thought that was some urban myth or something..
[15:19] <Tach> No...Tachyon...as in the Particle...
[15:19] <OcDoc> Tach: no such thing
[15:19] <Lupine|> Tach: your nick will change before you arrive
[15:19] <Tach> many many years ago, in '96 when I got on IRC< I had NO CLUSE< I typed N
[15:20] <Tach> then I learned that it could work
[15:20] <OcDoc> an imaginary particle that approaches the speed of light from above without b
[15:20] <Tach> but forget that, I wish to talk of the Sex-Ed chick
[15:20] <Tach> that had a general and/or basic experience with a boy that deserced it
[15:20] <TomM--> gotta go...attending a meeting to discuss whether Rumsfeld should be castrat
[15:20] <OcDoc> Tom
[15:21] * OcDoc will not be haved
[15:21] <OcDoc> Old Hippies never die ... they just, sort of ... melt
[15:22] <Tach> oh, Moderatum, sorry, I did not nitice... Thank you for the +THROAT
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Christianity 1.9 billion
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Islam 1.3 billion
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Hinduism 900 million
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> There are two main branches of Islam:
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Sunni 83%
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Shi'ite 16%
[15:22] <BillFrugg> old hippies never die. they just smell that way ;)
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Other 1%
[15:22] <FreeAlwys> Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
[15:23] <Tach> sorry, ppl here are talkiung... ORcDOC, I KNOW...the Tachyon particle is theor
[15:23] <OcDoc> Tach: do you know her?
[15:23] * OldHippy that a hippie ever makes it to "old" is a miracle
[15:23] <BillFrugg> lol
[15:23] <FreeAlwys> How many of you owned a Koran prior to 911 prior to the first gulf war
[15:23] <FreeAlwys> >
[15:23] <OcDoc> Free: I did
[15:23] <FreeAlwys> I did, as well as the mormon book,
[15:23] <OcDoc> actually, I owned three
[15:23] <tweek> what exactly am I looking for?
[15:23] <FreeAlwys> ocDo me too
[15:23] <tweek> in the topic.
[15:23] <FreeAlwys> I own a couple
[15:23] * Melmoth since the late 1980's
[15:24] <OcDoc> patient
[15:24] <tweek> some aging talking head from his desk.
[15:24] <Tach> OC, I am still be3hind, AND lagged, KNOW WHO ?
[15:24] * Melmoth preaches zero tolerance to all religion.
[15:24] <Tach> orry...her name is...let me ask neighbors?
[15:24] <rumbleca> I have only read the bible, and the first part of the koran
[15:24] <tweek> a slight douching out over 'do they deserve something more than a reflecting
[15:25] <Tach> MARY BETH CORNBAG ? ???
[15:25] <rumbleca> my living in an islamic country made me aware of the values of muslims, bu
[15:25] <Tach> marilyn said...oh the one that had sex married with 4 children, I forget mostl
[15:25] <pilgrim`> Libbys Cafateria is now open for business in Montreal it seems
[15:25] <FreeAlwys> But the largest populations of muslims by percentage are in the middle ea
[15:25] <FreeAlwys> iran is the largest shia nation in the world
[15:26] <pilgrim`> at one time Egypt was
[15:26] <Tach> . /cleart
[15:26] <FreeAlwys> Pakistan is second. Hmm that kind of surprises me.
[15:26] <Tach> really Now...dont anyone rember the Hot womans name
[15:26] <BillFrugg> farrah faucet majors
[15:26] <Tach> oooo not her
[15:26] <Lupine|> FA: well.. Pakistan is kind of the muslim breakoff from India
[15:26] <BillFrugg> she _was_ hot...
[15:27] <FreeAlwys> iraq is 3rd at 11 million
[15:27] <pilgrim`> kind of
[15:27] <Tach> really, I want to talk about real news type stufff...;.finally for once
[15:27] <BillFrugg> like what?
[15:27] <Tach> well, did you see the news thing?
[15:27] <pilgrim`> the Ghandi movie kind of glossed over all that
[15:27] <rumbleca> what about bangladesh?
[15:27] <tweek> ... still not seeing it.
[15:27] <pilgrim`> it was Pakistan's headache till they sold it in a yard sale
[15:27] <Tach> Let us be general and speak onbly of this subject for several general and anal
[15:27] <Melmoth> rumbleca: that was known as East Pakistan until the late 60's, early 70's
[15:27] <FreeAlwys> Some of this data is flawed I can tell.
[15:28] <Tach> Did ANYONE see the Article ? of THIS:
[15:28] <pilgrim`> such as why didn't some honest citizen with a valid concealed carry permit
[15:28] <rumbleca> melmoth: I know
[15:28] <Tach> HOT Chick of 22 Years old... SEDUCES 14 BOY, because he FLIRTED with her... an
[15:28] <rumbleca> but the language is not based on urdu, to my knowledge
[15:28] <FreeAlwys> By far the 4 largest islamic countries: Indonesia 170,310,000
[15:28] <FreeAlwys> Pakistan 136,000,000
[15:28] <FreeAlwys> Bangladesh 106,050,000
[15:28] <FreeAlwys> India 103,000,000
[15:29] <Tach> I have not IRC'd in many many years, I wish to speak good
[15:29] <Melmoth> rumbleca: a country which has the estimated biggest incidence of rape
[15:29] <pilgrim`> Bangladesh? varriants of Bengali and Hindi
[15:29] <rumbleca> pilgrim: I think bengali is closer to hindi than to urdu
[15:29] <pilgrim`> es, it is
[15:29] <Tach> Am I Lagged apart? I thought maybe the IRC don't do that anymore
[15:29] <rumbleca> pilgrim: so the bases of the country is simply religious and not ethnic no
[15:30] <pilgrim`> but "Hindi" is a Brit catch all for about 14 related langauges
[15:30] <rumbleca> so-called east pakistan
[15:30] <FreeAlwys> Spome of these figures go back to 1990
[15:30] <pilgrim`> Bengali otoh is a distinct off-shoot. soemwhat like both Spanish and Roma
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> A subjective analysis of the 100 most influential men in history and thie
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Catholic 31%
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Anglican/Episcopalian 13%
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Jewish 7%
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Atheist 6%
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Greco-Roman paganism 6%
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> Chinese traditional religion/Confucianism 5%
[15:31] <pilgrim`> I am definitly NOT an expert on Subcontinent etymology though
[15:31] <rumbleca> melmoth: it is also the most corrupt country in the world
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> I was Episcopalian before i was an atheist, Maybe I will do great things!
[15:31] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[15:31] <pilgrim`> New Jersey?
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> Here for you taoists and Babtists.. We dont need you
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> Taoism 1%
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> Baptist 1%
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> Sandemanian 1%
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> hahaha
[15:32] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: aren't all protestants included in that "Anglican/Episcopalian"
[15:32] <pilgrim`> what of the Cargo Cult?
[15:32] <pilgrim`> they always forget the One True Religion!
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> http://www.adherents.com/adh_influ.html
[15:32] <Lupine|> pil: heh.. that was based on actual true events :-)
[15:32] <FreeAlwys> scroll down the list for the 100
[15:33] <BillFrugg> what? liberalism isn't a religion?
[15:33] <Melmoth> wtf is "Sandemanian" ? :>
[15:33] <pilgrim`> Melmoth peopel who like to sleep?
[15:33] <FreeAlwys> Obviously they are not ranking most influential men as the goodest men ;)
[15:33] <FreeAlwys> 39 Adolf Hitler Nazism; born into but rejected Catholicism; allegedly a p
[15:33] <Melmoth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandemanian
[15:34] <pilgrim`> yep
[15:34] <pilgrim`> gave the rest of us a black eye
[15:34] <FreeAlwys> 44 John Locke raised Puritan (Anglican);
[15:34] <FreeAlwys> Liberal Christian philosopher and liberal theologian
[15:34] <Tach> come on please!!!
[15:35] <FreeAlwys> See thats what I mean when I say conservatives at least many of us are tr
[15:35] <Tach> Let Us Speak of HOT SEX-ED Teahcers and stuff
[15:35] <BillFrugg> i though John Locke was somebody involved in a plane crash on an island..
[15:35] <Tach> If you do not know in a general and/or basic manner
[15:36] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: are Lutheranism and Calvinism mentioned?
[15:36] <Tach> then go and/or look at the News type channel
[15:36] <FreeAlwys> See its hard to call religious people dumb when some of the greatest peop
[15:36] <Tach> I had a dream last nite
[15:36] <FreeAlwys> Melmoth I will check
[15:36] <FreeAlwys> Lutheran 5%
[15:37] <FreeAlwys> Calvinist 2%
[15:37] <FreeAlwys> Again disclaimer: This is subjective
[15:37] <FreeAlwys> Religious Affiliation of History's 100 Most Influential People
[15:37] <FreeAlwys> The following list of influential figures from world history comes from M
[15:38] <FreeAlwys> Also Jefferson is listed as a deist and a Episcopalian, I would say he co
[15:38] <CryHavoc> I think Jefferson was a deist...
[15:38] <FreeAlwys> 27 Karl Marx Jewish; Lutheran;
[15:38] <FreeAlwys> Atheist; Marxism/Communism
[15:38] <CryHavoc> past the point of god handing off the rights...
[15:38] <FreeAlwys> Wow I didnt realize Marx had a Lutheran side
[15:39] <CryHavoc> Deism is not much different then atheism
[15:39] <Tach> man...will anyone talk to me about the Hot old teacher with the boy thing
[15:39] <FreeAlwys> I guess they consider communism a type of religion which makes sense in s
[15:39] <Tach> A HOT BLONDE 22 TEACHER should NOT BE a SEX-ED teacher
[15:39] <FreeAlwys> 36 Antony van Leeuwenhoek Dutch Reformed microscopes; studied microscopic
[15:39] <CryHavoc> yes FT...an of shoot of Marxism: Since religion does not have cash value..
[15:39] <FreeAlwys> hehehe Dutch Reformed.
[15:39] <Tach> ALL the BOYS of 14-16 in the class will be HARD WOODS
[15:39] <TheTailor> So
[15:40] <CryHavoc> what better way to teach them :P LOL
[15:40] <CryHavoc> Tach is 14-16
[15:40] <Tach> and, these days, the Girls love Girls, they are probably dripping wet pussie p
[15:40] <pilgrim`> Tac depends. is the class an advanced course specializing in technique?
[15:40] <BillFrugg> and he's not typing with his hands
[15:40] <FreeAlwys> Jean-Jacques Rousseau born Protestant;
[15:40] <FreeAlwys> converted as a teen to Catholic;
[15:40] <FreeAlwys> later Deist
[15:40] <IamKing> BillFrugg: obviously not
[15:40] <CryHavoc> ImKing!!!
[15:40] <FreeAlwys> Explains why rousseau was so fucked up
[15:40] <pilgrim`> Tach wash your hands
[15:40] <CryHavoc> feh...no you can be King
[15:40] <Tach> CryHAvoc, NO...I like Chix that are like 13 and stuff
[15:41] <IamKing> Tach = 10 y/o
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> 88 Peter the Great Russian Orthodox forged Russia into a great European n
[15:41] <Tach> they are young , but getting that spurt that makes them FULLY FORMED young gir
[15:41] <IamKing> Tach loves "older women"
[15:41] <pilgrim`> dispatch this poltroon to the day care centre
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> Now that is disputable
[15:41] <BillFrugg> These references to John Lock and Rousseau are very confusing since I've
[15:41] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: the first generation of german jews which enjoyed full civic rig
[15:41] <Tach> It is HORRIBLE
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> he may have been atheist
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> he hated the russian orthodox church
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> and the Clergy
[15:41] <FreeAlwys> So why would they call him one ?
[15:41] <Tach> but we are speaking of Boys that like Old girls
[15:41] <pilgrim`> de Chardin now there is a thinker...
[15:41] <BillFrugg> lol
[15:41] <IamKing> hahahah
[15:42] <BillFrugg> surprised how long he lasted
[15:42] <pilgrim`> and it flys right out of the park!
[15:42] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: ever read Rousseau's Confessions?
[15:42] <CryHavoc> needed reading glasses :P
[15:42] <FreeAlwys> 82 Gregory Pincus Jewish endocrinologist; developed birth-control pill
[15:42] <Melmoth> FreeAlwys: if not, you should.
[15:42] <FreeAlwys> Damn evil jews ;)
[15:42] <FreeAlwys> hahaha
[15:42] <BillFrugg> he needed to shave his hands anyway
[15:42] <FreeAlwys> Actually I approve very much of birth control
[15:42] <pilgrim`> I havea 1st ed of Le Contract Sociale
[15:42] <Nomex> boy do I love my customers
[15:42] <CryHavoc> Filling out State app 2 day chore
[15:42] <FreeAlwys> But i find humor in it.
[15:43] <Nomex> always doing things the hardest way possible
[15:43] <FreeAlwys> Nomex, how is Nicoles son doing ?
[15:43] <FreeAlwys> hehe
[15:43] <FreeAlwys> Bad joke..
[15:43] <CryHavoc> pilgrim....Date of Pub?
[15:43] <FreeAlwys> But more seriously did they find the cause of death yet ?
[15:43] <pilgrim`> interesting to have a book that was in somone's pocket while the Bastille
[15:43] <pilgrim`> 1789
[15:43] <BillFrugg> i approve of abortion. i figure that libs will have aborted themselves ou
[15:43] <CryHavoc> is it in good shape?
[15:43] <pilgrim`> yes
[15:43] <Nomex> FreeAlwys: that hurricane was weak, I was disappointed :(
[15:43] * Lupine| supports post-birth abortion for liberals
[15:43] <BillFrugg> her kid od'd on viagra
[15:44] <Lupine|> Free: maybe his mother told him he was the father.. and he had a heart atta
[15:44] <pilgrim`> gold leaf on the edges, good board, thin trade leather
[15:44] <FreeAlwys> Nomex. ahh.. well at least things stayed dry!
[15:44] <FreeAlwys> Lupine haha
[15:44] <pilgrim`> just one of them weird things you pick up out int he hilsl it be
[15:44] <Lupine|> FA: i tell ya, i once saw her show while flipping channels [ its like a slo
[15:45] <pilgrim`> btw, one rather unique thign I have is the 1st American ed of Wilkie Coll
[15:45] <Lupine|> you can take the whore out of the trailor park.. but you can't take the tra
[15:45] <CryHavoc> SHe had another Kid...the beat will goi on
[15:46] <CryHavoc> wah wah wah lets hang head in silence for a dead Kid-erati......ok...movin
[15:46] <pilgrim`> it is a trade bound book made and printed by Harpers from the original ma
[15:46] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: he published the social contract in 1762
[15:46] <pilgrim`> done in magazine collumn view
[15:46] <CryHavoc> pilgrim My dad has a Limited printing of P De Roo Voyages to America befor
[15:46] <pilgrim`> el oh well, it SAYS 1st, but then, never trust a hack Paris printer ;)
[15:47] * pilgrim` hands Cry a Pier Regis map with AAA mileage chart included
[15:47] <BillFrugg> in fact, never trust a parisian
[15:47] <CryHavoc> I want The Album De La Guerre
[15:47] * Guest51 is now known as OcDoc
[15:48] <CryHavoc> 2 massive Coffee Table books
[15:48] <pilgrim`> which war?
[15:48] <CryHavoc> WW I
[15:48] <pilgrim`> ah
[15:48] <Herzen> pilgrim` sings 'the bonnie blue flag' when he does the dishes
[15:48] <CryHavoc> history of France from 1880s or so to 1917
[15:48] <CryHavoc> I have the Pictorial History of WW I
[15:48] <pilgrim`> I want a 1604 Lyon ed of the Malleus mallificarum and a 14th cent Muenste
[15:49] <CryHavoc> I am going to get a Malleus...
[15:49] <CryHavoc> and a Book of Kells
[15:49] <pilgrim`> I have a facimile
[15:49] <CometBaby> anyone heard anymore about the son of that fat blonde slut who had a baby
[15:49] <OcDoc> Cry: can't read the words so he looks at the pictures
[15:49] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: ever read "A Dialogue of Witches"?
[15:49] <pilgrim`> I have a facimile of Issac Walton too
[15:49] <CryHavoc> Rome never apologized for the Malleum diud they
[15:49] <pilgrim`> Mel who's?
[15:49] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: it was the book which introduced the ideas of the malleum to most
[15:49] <CryHavoc> hey Melmoth :)
[15:49] <Melmoth> can't remember the author, wait a sec ...
[15:49] <BillFrugg> CometBaby, was she related to OJ?
[15:50] <pilgrim`> methinks that would be not a book but one Mathew Hopkins
[15:50] <CryHavoc> CB Anna Nicole
[15:50] <CometBaby> bill .. lol No she married that old man and then had to fight his heirs
[15:50] <CometBaby> cry ..yeah
[15:50] <FreeAlwys> SANAA, YEMEN - When Judge Hamoud al-Hitar announced that he and four othe
[15:50] <FreeAlwys> Nervous as he faced five captured, yet defiant, Al Qaeda members in a San
[15:50] <FreeAlwys> "If you can convince us that your ideas are justified by the Koran, then
[15:50] <Melmoth> it was a translation from french, swiss author ...
[15:50] <OcDoc> her son had a baby?
[15:50] <CryHavoc> Anna Vulture Claws
[15:50] <OcDoc> wow!
[15:50] <CometBaby> I wonder what the deal is there. I suspect a suicide.
[15:50] <pilgrim`> the Witchfidner General...he... implicated an ancestress of mine
[15:50] <CryHavoc> heh
[15:50] <BillFrugg> that'd be enough to kill him
[15:50] <FreeAlwys> Its not true Muslism are not challenging the radical violent sects in fac
[15:50] <CometBaby> he was found dead in her hospital room
[15:50] <FreeAlwys> perhaps more so than say the UK
[15:51] <pilgrim`> the Malleus was printed a zillion places
[15:51] <CryHavoc> well they aren;t doing enough...
[15:51] <FreeAlwys> http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0204/p01s04-wome.htm
[15:51] <CryHavoc> their ass if we really decide to fight them
[15:51] <FreeAlwys> Now, two years later, not only have those prisoners been released, but a
[15:51] <CryHavoc> pilgrim...yes it was...
[15:51] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: Lambert Daneau
[15:51] <FreeAlwys> It also demonstrates tha Islam can be a powerful weapon against violent I
[15:51] <CryHavoc> it was the Catholic take on womankind...
[15:51] <pilgrim`> name is familiar but no, I have not read it
[15:52] * jhicks <- redneck zoroastrian
[15:52] <FreeAlwys> Seated amid stacks of Korans and religious texts, Hitar explains that his
[15:52] <CryHavoc> JanetB refuses to read it
[15:52] * pilgrim` has read the Avesta
[15:52] * CryHavoc jhicks!!!!!
[15:52] <pilgrim`> the Gathas are poetic
[15:52] <jhicks> Havoc!
[15:52] <CryHavoc> you get the mail jhicks??
[15:52] <jhicks> yeah :)
[15:52] <FreeAlwys> Its sad a lot of people have been banned from this channel for thier blan
[15:52] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: the witchfinder general operated around the end of the witchcraft
[15:52] <CryHavoc> good..some of those can not be shared in here
[15:52] <BillFrugg> that's why they're not permitted to learn how to read
[15:52] <CryHavoc> Red Mexicans
[15:53] <FreeAlwys> we should study the success and learn from them.
[15:53] <jhicks> FreeAlwys: It's important to hate all forms of organized religion equally!
[15:53] <pilgrim`> Mel I know. he also was denounced and suffered being "Put to teh Question
[15:53] <pilgrim`> f
[15:53] <Nomex> FreeAlwys: I just had this hilarious picture of some guy challenging a milita
[15:53] <OcDoc> Free: too bad he can't convert them BEFORE they become terrorists
[15:53] <Nomex> it was probably funnier in my head :(
[15:53] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: actually, that was never legal in England
[15:53] <CryHavoc> except then the fundies will simply say all non muslims threaten their rel
[15:54] <FreeAlwys> OcDoc, But its important to understand truth about religion and not myth
[15:54] <pilgrim`> Melmoth Hopkins was somewhat extra legal. but then so was Cromwell ;)
[15:54] <FreeAlwys> I have tried for 30 years
[15:54] <CryHavoc> why its not wise to use a Q'uran or Bible to enforce rhetoric
[15:54] <FreeAlwys> And I still learn every day
[15:54] <jhicks> I blame the Southern Baptists for most things.
[15:54] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: until Hopkins, all witches (which were hanged and not burned) got
[15:54] <pilgrim`> yeah! use the Kebra Negast mon!
[15:54] <jhicks> Not that they actually deserve the blame
[15:54] * CryHavoc glowers at jhicks with brimstone in his gaze.......
[15:54] <OcDoc> well, I don't really want to know islam broadly ... just enough to defend mys
[15:54] <jhicks> eep
[15:55] <pilgrim`> Mle burnigns did not occur in England or Scotland. Stoning and crushing d
[15:55] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: and until the accession of James, witchcraft was not a separate o
[15:55] <CryHavoc> Repent yer sins or you will be condemned to the fires of hell...unless you
[15:55] <jhicks> aieeee
[15:55] * jhicks runs away
[15:55] <CryHavoc> *whack *whack
[15:55] <BillFrugg> The power of the Force can have an influence on the weak minded
[15:55] <FreeAlwys> Iv e argued that A) its not a responsibility of being human to change peo
[15:55] <FreeAlwys> But its also a lie to say that Muslims have not spoke out against radical
[15:55] <jhicks> All rednecks aren't racist however!
[15:56] <tweek> I'm responsible for all the white racist rednecks.
[15:56] <CryHavoc> only 50% Arizona proved that
[15:56] <tweek> it's my fault they haven't been given theirs yet.
[15:56] <Nomex> the world would be better without religion.. God is good for people, religion
[15:56] <FreeAlwys> A LOT OF FATWAHS WERE issues agaisnt Bin laden..
[15:56] <tweek> I'm a slacker.
[15:56] <pilgrim`> tweek then can I please order a half dozen? we are short on Long Pig for
[15:56] * CryHavoc watchs jhicks sing "We're not all racists, just 50%!!!
[15:56] <FreeAlwys> The fatwa is unlikely to have much global impact, but in Spain - where Mu
[15:57] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: the legal profession was at first extremely sceptical towards the
[15:57] <CryHavoc> FT...we shall see...
[15:57] <jhicks> I met the highest percentage of racists in California
[15:57] <FreeAlwys> Its also not true that people have not coexisted welll..
[15:57] <CryHavoc> whether they can truly police their own...or if the US will have to truly
[15:57] <pilgrim`> Mel like the reactosn to the Peasant uprisigns after Luther in Germany
[15:57] <Augustus> Yep. Plenty of racists in California.
[15:57] <pilgrim`> btw.
[15:57] <jhicks> Augustus: Philly too
[15:57] <e-Hernick> plenty of racists everywhere
[15:57] <pilgrim`> a very good read: Mika Waltari's The Adventurer
[15:58] <FreeAlwys> In pre british pre immigration Israel Jews and arabs got along pretty wel
[15:58] * CryHavoc jhicks yuh knowse..wearin' 3 month old coveralls.....whudya 'pect?
[15:58] <FreeAlwys> Cry, we shall see what ?
[15:58] <pilgrim`> Waltari is best known for The Egyptian which is a novelization og the tale
[15:58] <tweek> but really
[15:58] <tweek> what's being pointed out in the topic?
[15:58] <CryHavoc> Free..if the muslims will police their own....or if we will really have to
[15:58] <pilgrim`> all follow the same basic plot, only the time period changes
[15:58] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: the witchcraze is to my mind one of the best examples from histor
[15:58] <FreeAlwys> cry, I said #1 they have no obligation to.
[15:59] <CryHavoc> true......
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> Anymore than I have an obligation to police white racists.
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> And yet I do
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> I do so happily
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> but its of my own free choice
[15:59] <CryHavoc> they also can research what happened to Japan and Germany
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> and basically its not white racists I police
[15:59] <FreeAlwys> its any racists
[15:59] <CryHavoc> they also were under no obligation
[15:59] <jhicks> FreeAlwys: make 'em squeal like lil piggies!
[15:59] <pilgrim`> Melmoth Robbins Encyclopedia of Witchcraft which deals with the whole issu
[16:00] <CryHavoc> FT..how come Christianity does not foster such homicidal virulence anymore
[16:00] <FreeAlwys> Cry, Nation states involved in terrorism or support of terror are quite d
[16:00] <pilgrim`> btw, I have the compleat transcritions from the court at Salem Town of the
[16:00] <FreeAlwys> iran is a state whose government needs to be taught a lesson
[16:00] <FreeAlwys> by force perhaps
[16:00] <CryHavoc> or when a group of such Christians arises..they are slapped down?
[16:00] <FreeAlwys> But we arent talking nation states here.
[16:00] <Nomex> CryHavoc: that's easy, most christians (in the sense that you're thinking) do
[16:00] <FreeAlwys> Nations have a responsibility to insure justice.
[16:01] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: it's a typical conspiracy theory
[16:01] <rumbleca> what about iran's actions constitute terrorism ,out of curiosity?
[16:01] <CryHavoc> Nomex...there was a time when they did...
[16:01] <FreeAlwys> Individuals owe nothing because of color or race or religion
[16:01] <CryHavoc> hey rumbles!! :)
[16:01] <jhicks> Bah, I think the leaders of Iran watched "The Mouse that Roared"
[16:01] <FreeAlwys> As a black man I dont have to live in the ghetto after I become successfu
[16:01] <Nomex> yeah, and think back to the crusades, or the crazy religios sects during the
[16:01] <rumbleca> and how is that different than say, pinochet, shaw of iran, KLA, etc
[16:01] <jhicks> They wanna be conquered
[16:01] <rumbleca> hey Cryhavoc, how goes?
[16:01] <FreeAlwys> As a white man I dont have to save the world from the KKK
[16:01] <FreeAlwys> Idiots that they are
[16:01] <jhicks> so they can be rebuilt at US taxpayer expense
[16:02] <CryHavoc> FT...the educated blacks do not cheer on those who persist in wreaking hav
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> As a christian I dont have to try to change pat Robertson
[16:02] <jhicks> And get lots of foreign welfare like everybody else we beat up
[16:02] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: it's very interesting to note that the first products of means of
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> and as a Atheist I dont have to stop Atheists with chips on thier shouldr
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> shoulders.
[16:02] <CryHavoc> Pat Robertson will be slapped down if he becomes a threat
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> Or atheists who would kill all the religiosu people if they could.
[16:02] <CryHavoc> he will NOT be cheered on
[16:02] <Nomex> FreeAlwys: you're an athiest?
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> Or breed them out or something
[16:02] <tweek> I'll do it myself
[16:02] <Nomex> why not agnostic?
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> Nomex, I am an atheist.
[16:02] <CryHavoc> FT..those will also be slapped down...
[16:02] <jhicks> CryHavoc: he's one weird dude ole Pat Robertson
[16:02] <FreeAlwys> because I dont believe God exists.
[16:03] <pilgrim`> Melmoth the 1st means? printing? Guetenberg?
[16:03] <FreeAlwys> If I had doubts I might be an agnostic.
[16:03] <pilgrim`> ever heard of indulgences?
[16:03] <CryHavoc> its interesting though...rabid vicious atheists are no where near as abund
[16:03] <Nomex> but there's no empirical evidence either way
[16:03] <Melmoth> pilgrim`: yes
[16:03] <CryHavoc> Logic adds a much colder temperament then faith
[16:03] <pilgrim`> the press flooded the market and ended that horrid scam
[16:03] <FreeAlwys> But I dont have doubts, I have doubts as I have doubts about everything,
[16:03] <FreeAlwys> Agnistoics believe its possible.
[16:03] <FreeAlwys> I dont
[16:03] <FreeAlwys> Now if I am proven wrong I will gladly change
[16:03] <pilgrim`> most cathedrals are built from money from selling indulgences
[16:04] <CryHavoc> How come you never hear about Pro-Choice people firebombing Pro-Lifers?
[16:04] <FreeAlwys> But I understand, I believe, I can see how man created religion and why h
[16:04] <Nomex> FreeAlwys: you sound like me last year :)
[16:04] <FreeAlwys> So to me belief in religion is logical.
[16:04] <jhicks> Mushrooms
[16:04] <CryHavoc> Religion had its day...and at one time....its uses..
[16:04] <e-Hernick> FreeAlwys: you discount the possibility that there is a "clockmaker creat
[16:04] <pilgrim`> I see religion as a gland condition
[16:04] <CryHavoc> Humanity needs to move on
[16:04] <FreeAlwys> E- I reject what Humans define as God.
[16:04] <jhicks> or an effect of hallucinogenic drugs
[16:04] <FreeAlwys> Humans have defined god.
[16:05] <pilgrim`> yeah, and I am no where liek that at all
[16:05] <CryHavoc> I reject Deism as well
[16:05] <Nomex> I see no evidence either way, so it would be foolish to assume that the chanc
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> Now is there some cosmic energy, big bang, black hole, energy power sourc
[16:05] <CryHavoc> Deism would be used to give ID credibility
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> But God as defined by man is anthropomorphic/.
[16:05] <pilgrim`> Tao now Brown Chao
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> and i dont believe in a god in the image of man
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> or vice versa
[16:05] <Nomex> neither do I
[16:05] <e-Hernick> FreeAlwys: there are many definitions for god, some of them quite benign.
[16:05] <jhicks> pilgrim`: *groan*
[16:05] <killja> an everlasting energy taking all forms
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> or with human qualities
[16:05] <FreeAlwys> and thats how humanity defines god for the most part
[16:05] <jhicks> I believe in WIMPs
[16:06] <killja> anthromorphic
[16:06] <killja> or something
[16:06] <jhicks> anthropomorphic
[16:06] <Nomex> weak interactive magnetic particleS?
[16:06] <killja> jhicks there ya go
[16:06] <jhicks> Nomex: yah
[16:06] <pilgrim`> I believe in Joseph Campbell
[16:06] <FreeAlwys> Jhicks, Look it up
[16:06] <Nomex> I believe in preons
[16:06] <killja> nigga u are the maker
[16:06] <Nomex> I'm a heretic
[16:06] <pilgrim`> charming
[16:06] <killja> life giver and taker
[16:06] <Publius> lol
[16:07] <pilgrim`> I prefered Hexen. easier game engine
[16:07] <jhicks> [ann-thro-pa-more-fik]- attributing human-like characteristics to something
[16:07] <killja> and clouds
[16:07] <jhicks> Some immature computer programmers do that a lot
[16:07] <tweek> zomg furries!
[16:07] <CryHavoc> jhicks that include Liberals and GOP ers too?
[16:07] <FreeAlwys> Palestinian columnist Hasan Al-Batal wrote in the PA daily Al-Ayyam under
[16:08] <jhicks> CryHavoc: yeah, all those f*ckers!
[16:08] <CryHavoc> Poor Hasan....
[16:08] <pilgrim`> God calls thee: http://www.cthulhulives.org/solsticecarol.html
[16:08] <CryHavoc> he will prob be killed
[16:08] <CryHavoc> car bomb probably
[16:08] <jhicks> CryHavoc: he's an infidel!
[16:09] * CryHavoc nibbles Heathen
[16:09] <Rebec> hey heathen
[16:09] <CryHavoc> jhicks..no.the Pals can not tolerate that sort of rationality
[16:09] <jhicks> ok, i gotta go cook these crabs now
[16:09] <CryHavoc> ok
[16:09] <Publius> haha
[16:09] <Publius> blimey
[16:10] <FreeAlwys> Here is a problem, memri which I think is part of Mossad at least related
[16:10] <FreeAlwys> Movies = motives
[16:10] <pilgrim`> Vale
[16:10] <FreeAlwys> I always read memri knowing its bias.
[16:10] <jhicks> I don't think any group is free of the charge of terrorism
[16:10] <FreeAlwys> if you went back 40 years most terrorists were not muslism.
[16:11] <FreeAlwys> Jhicks precisely
[16:11] <pilgrim`> indeed, the Lutheran Wives club made a pot roast that was pure evil!
[16:11] * jhicks waves and departs
[16:11] <FreeAlwys> and its true that russia not that long ago historically completely cleans
[16:11] <FreeAlwys> they eventually allowed them back
[16:11] <tweek> 'What about what the Russians did to the chechnyans ? A jewish russian told m
[16:11] <tweek> this sounds too much like Chump Change.
[16:11] <NYHeathen> hi CryHavoc, Rebec
[16:12] <e-Hernick> Let's say that a country, such as Russia, oppresses a group, such as the
[16:12] <Nomex> seet... I just grabbed like 3 gigs of north korea documentaries
[16:12] <e-Hernick> I think that the terrorists have given up way too early on the political
[16:12] <Nomex> :D
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> Debate it
[16:12] <Nomex> time to watch some
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> Tweek
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> DEBATE it
[16:12] <tweek> I'm not even sure what you were talking about.
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> Why did he tell me this ?
[16:12] <e-Hernick> They could resist through non-violent means - the chechens and the palest
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> HE lived under the russians
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> H4e was pesecuted as a JEW under the Russians
[16:12] <e-Hernick> What we need is a palestinian ghandi
[16:12] <FreeAlwys> As will most jews tell you
[16:13] <FreeAlwys> Russians were not exactly good to the jews.
[16:13] <FreeAlwys> So he distrusted Putin
[16:13] <FreeAlwys> Do you trust him ?
[16:13] <tweek> not any farther than I can throw him.
[16:13] <FreeAlwys> BTw ?
[16:13] <tweek> but honestly, if you were talking about Beslan...
[16:14] <tweek> ... just ... the Russian gov't isn't exactly a terrorist organization.
[16:14] <FreeAlwys> He distruted the old Russian guard which as we have seen has consolidate
[16:14] <FreeAlwys> not as bad as when they were soviets
[16:14] <e-Hernick> Abdul al-Ghandiha al-Gaza, aka Abu Shawarma, only he can save the palesti
[16:14] <FreeAlwys> but they ahve regressed a long way
[16:14] <FreeAlwys> An stalin never though twice about killing russians to make a point or to
[16:14] <tweek> suggesting that Putin had anything to do with Beslan just sounds a *lot* like
[16:14] <e-Hernick> Stalin ruled with a fist of steel.
[16:15] <FreeAlwys> SO his point was as a jew who lived in Russia and left was that the Russi
[16:15] <Rebec> that's why georgians should not be in power
[16:15] <tweek> I mean, there's a difference between not trusting a leader in power and claim
[16:15] <FreeAlwys> He believed that it was possible he didnt say it was inevitable or absolu
[16:15] <e-Hernick> a lot of things are "possible"
[16:15] <FreeAlwys> he said it was possible Russia bombed its own people (not the school hous
[16:16] <tweek> the Loose Change droolers usually fall back on this as well. they give 'possi
[16:16] <FreeAlwys> BTW did you know some of the war was over seperatism ?
[16:16] <FreeAlwys> Probably not.
[16:16] <e-Hernick> of course
[16:16] <FreeAlwys> But I agree at this point the terrorism is out of hand..
[16:16] <e-Hernick> we know the chechens want out of the country
[16:16] <tweek> I know little about Russia's USSR growing pains
[16:16] <e-Hernick> as a quebecer, I have witnessed separatist sentiment .. it's not pretty
[16:17] <FreeAlwys> But I dont exactly trust the muslim terroists in Chechnya NOR the Russian
[16:17] <e-Hernick> we used to have a powerful Québecois terrorist group that kidnapped minis
[16:17] <tweek> the most I know about it is that there are probably a decent amount of Soviet
[16:17] <Nomex> e-hernick: the bloq quebecois?
[16:17] <Nomex> zing.
[16:17] <FreeAlwys> And i feel great sympathy for some of the wanton slaughter of muslims by
[16:17] <e-Hernick> Nomex: ahahahah
[16:17] <Nomex> :)
[16:17] <e-Hernick> no, the FLQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLQ
[16:17] <Nomex> I know :)
[16:17] <e-Hernick> "he Front de libération du Québec (Québec Liberation Front), commonly kno
[16:17] <tweek> e-Hernick: I remember seeing that bloodbath in the early 90's as a kid
[16:17] <tweek> it wasn't pretty
[16:17] <e-Hernick> bloodbath in the early 90s?
[16:17] <e-Hernick> where
[16:18] <e-Hernick> certainly not in québec
[16:18] <Nomex> the flq was in the 70s
[16:18] <FreeAlwys> So pleast tweek, Dont act like I am inventing stuff for conenienve.
[16:18] <Nomex> if I recall
[16:18] <FreeAlwys> convenience.
[16:18] <e-Hernick> the big FLQ crisis was in October 1970
[16:18] <Nomex> at least their peak
[16:18] <tweek> ... was joking. from what I remember Quebec's separatists were all peaceful
[16:18] <FreeAlwys> Most the people here know the nick of the person who told me this, we wer
[16:18] <e-Hernick> "On October 5, 1970, members of the FLQ's Liberation cell kidnapped James
[16:19] <tweek> FreeAlwys: that wasn't what I was insinuating. I'm just saying that I can't s
[16:19] <tweek> and I generally have no respect for people that perpetuate them.
[16:19] <FreeAlwys> Anyone here feel confortable with the Russsians ? I sure dont..
[16:19] <tweek> Goddamn FT, they aren't terrorists.
[16:19] <FreeAlwys> Tweeks, Yes I grant you its a conspiracy theory
[16:19] <FreeAlwys> I grant you it cant be proven
[16:19] <FreeAlwys> All I said was that it wasnt implausible..
[16:19] <tweek> call them what you want but they aren't going to bomb schools and blame Chech
[16:19] <FreeAlwys> and thats what my friend was telling me.
[16:19] <tweek> and get away with it.
[16:20] <FreeAlwys> the point is one must be careful to trust the russians
[16:20] <FreeAlwys> Putin is from the old quard..
[16:20] <FreeAlwys> Putin has said it was a terrible mistake to allow the soviety union to di
[16:20] <FreeAlwys> i.e., to liberate it
[16:20] <FreeAlwys> They tried to kill the president of Help me..
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> Herzen your old people.
[16:21] <tweek> Ukraine.
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> yes
[16:21] <tweek> Yuschenko.
[16:21] <tweek> poisoning.
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> They try to poison him do yo doubt that ?
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> Try = tried ?
[16:21] <Nomex> oh sweet.. this first DPRK documentary is propagandalicious
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> Do you beliefe it was anyone other than the russians ?
[16:21] <tweek> I don't remember the details of that incident.
[16:21] <FreeAlwys> Do you believe Putin didnt have knowlege of the covert act ?
[16:22] <tweek> I, uhm, don't remember the details.
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> Im telling you knowone in Ukrain believes putin was not behind it.
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> noone
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> pardon my grammar and spelling and typos and so forth
[16:22] <tweek> including his challenger? :)
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> His Challenger knew it.
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> of course
[16:22] <FreeAlwys> he was in on it.
[16:22] <tweek> now this is *really* sounding conspiratorial
[16:23] <FreeAlwys> Putin really resented the USA for its involvement in that
[16:23] <Herzen> I've been displeased with Yuschenko actually
[16:23] <goppp> oh
[16:23] <FreeAlwys> Herzen you think thats a conspiracy theory which is implauible ?
[16:23] <FreeAlwys> You tink there is a chance that Putin didnt know about it ?
[16:23] <DarthBurg> Brian Williams is a fucking moron.
[16:23] <tweek> I'm not saying it's implausible; I'm saying it's unlikely that Putin would go
[16:23] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, I am not in the position to make any sembelence of an accurate ju
[16:23] <FreeAlwys> And that the candidate who was russian allegiant wasnt in the know ?
[16:24] <Melmoth> tweek: why?
[16:24] <tweek> I mean it was pretty damned obvious. if he wanted him dead, there are far mor
[16:24] <Herzen> I've been displeased with Yuschenko, though
[16:24] <FreeAlwys> Herzen but come on, Russia deperately wanted to win this election and who
[16:24] <tweek> and yeah, like Herzen I dunno shit
[16:24] <FreeAlwys> The guy the russians dont want to win
[16:24] <tweek> and when I say I dunno shit, I mean I *do not know SHIT*
[16:24] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, I'm not saying its implausable or untrue
[16:24] <tweek> so don't ask me whether it happened :)
[16:24] <e-Hernick> I'd have thought Herzen as more of a Yanukovych kind of guy
[16:24] <FreeAlwys> Based on history and based on probability and based on Ill bet us intelli
[16:24] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Not at all
[16:25] <FreeAlwys> Tweek, You dont have to beleive what I believe.
[16:25] <Herzen> I'm displeased with Yuschenko for abandoning valuable bilateral relations fo
[16:25] <FreeAlwys> btu dont mock it as dime story folly
[16:25] <Herzen> Hes abandoning bilateral relations with the USA
[16:25] <FreeAlwys> Because I study geopolitics a lot.
[16:25] <Herzen> Pulling out of Iraq, and scaling down our military
[16:25] <e-Hernick> Isn't Yushchenko too liberal for you?
[16:25] <FreeAlwys> And this wouldnt be unusual for Russia based on history at all
[16:25] <tweek> well it resembles the tripe that is coming out against Bush very, very closel
[16:26] <tweek> anyway, now that I have your attention
[16:26] <tweek> what the hell am I looking for, in the topic?
[16:26] <Herzen> e-Hernick, in a country like Ukraine, Liberal/Conservative doesn't mean to m
[16:26] <FreeAlwys> Especially with the neo retreat to fascism in Russia.. Ask the press in R
[16:26] <tweek> it's just some talking head at his desk, whining about how the 9/11 victims d
[16:26] <Herzen> e-Hernick, If we align ourselves with the United States we have a better cha
[16:27] <FreeAlwys> Tweek, for you to give moral equavalency to the conspiracies against Bush
[16:27] <Herzen> e-Hernick, I'm also displeased with how Yushenko handled his situation polit
[16:27] <tweek> moral equivalency?
[16:27] <Herzen> They have a pro-EU president with pro-Russian parliament.
[16:27] <FreeAlwys> Putin has jailed industrialists, name one american Bush has jailed.
[16:27] <tweek> I'm tired of all of it.
[16:27] <tweek> I'm not saying Bush is Putin.
[16:27] <FreeAlwys> Putin has silenced the press
[16:27] <tweek> I'm saying that conspiracy theorists need to die and quickly.
[16:27] <Nomex> you know, whatching a documentary like this, about the DPRK, you have to wond
[16:27] <FreeAlwys> Name one Press in America Bush has silenced.
[16:27] <FreeAlwys> Not even the ones which libel him
[16:28] <e-Hernick> Herzen: So you'd say that Ukraine is moving away from the USA in terms of
[16:28] <Glock21> In Other News: Whitney and Bobby divorcing... Brown's agent says Bobby is
[16:28] <Rebec> hi swiggy
[16:28] <tweek> and fwiw I don't think Russian press has the same expectation of freedom as t
[16:28] <Melmoth> just because the russians aren't communists anymore doesn't mean they're al
[16:28] <Herzen> e-Hernick, I'd say its made some mistakes in order to curry favor with the E
[16:28] <Swigert> hey rebec et al
[16:28] <Melmoth> goody-goody
[16:28] <tweek> you've gotta understand FT
[16:28] <FreeAlwys> Russia has devolved back into a quasi fascist state, not as bad as under
[16:28] <tweek> I wasn't around for the 'kill teh Ruskies' era
[16:28] <FreeAlwys> Webster Definition for "fascism"... fas.cism \'fash-.iz-*m, 'fas-.iz-\ \-
[16:29] <e-Hernick> Herzen: the USA is so far away though. Wouldn't you consider relations wi
[16:29] <Herzen> e-Hernick, not at all
[16:29] <tweek> I don't like how Putin has been handling things ... I once saw an article whe
[16:29] <FreeAlwys> This fits to a large extent what russia has devolved back to. Now whats k
[16:29] <Herzen> e-Hernick, In this context proximity means nothing really, with US support U
[16:29] <tweek> but who cares? it's Russia. I live in the US. fuck 'em.
[16:29] <FreeAlwys> But it can try to influence elections by poison if neccesary
[16:29] <Herzen> e-Hernick, and U.S. support comes in valuable real dollars to build Ukrainia
[16:29] <FreeAlwys> Who cares ?
[16:29] <FreeAlwys> Let me tell yo something son
[16:30] <FreeAlwys> Ill tell you why you should care.
[16:30] <FreeAlwys> We are trying to decide what to do about Irans nuclear ambitions right no
[16:30] <Herzen> e-Hernick, not to mention, good relations with Ukraine should be a priority
[16:30] <FreeAlwys> And right now the biggest impediment is Russia and China.
[16:30] <Herzen> In the future, a pro-USA and pro-NATO Ukraine will stand as a bulwark agains
[16:30] <FreeAlwys> Thats why we care about Russia devolving back into totalitarianism or sha
[16:30] <CryHavoc> Herzen...Ukraines geographic position guarantees that
[16:30] <tweek> so that we can't have Russia by the balls?
[16:31] <FreeAlwys> also they have nuclear bombs still sufficient to blow the USA to pieces..
[16:31] <CryHavoc> same for Bellicose...err Belarus and the Baltics
[16:31] <FreeAlwys> Thats also why we care son..
[16:31] <Herzen> Belarus is a bit of a lost cause
[16:31] <FreeAlwys> Have you ever been to Gitmo ?
[16:31] <CryHavoc> I call it Bellicose...
[16:31] <rumbleca> belarus is more communist than russia
[16:31] <FreeAlwys> Have you ever been on the Fence ?
[16:31] <Publius> what the fuckin hell
[16:31] <CryHavoc> but it matters too
[16:31] <tweek> the hell does Gitmo have to do with this?
[16:31] <Pickle> Al Franken's next book project: "Gee, I Sure Do Wish I Was That Big Fat Idio
[16:31] <CryHavoc> LOL Publius...
[16:31] <tweek> Pickle: haha
[16:31] <FreeAlwys> Because Its me who stands between your punk navy ass and life.
[16:31] <Publius> i maen
[16:31] <e-Hernick> It is so important for the USA to have good relations with the Ukraine -
[16:31] <Pickle> Another #Politics prediction comes to pass, as Airhead America goes tits-up.
[16:31] * FreeAlwys is going into the part of "A few good men"
[16:31] <Publius> I said that in preface to fucking trenchcoat mafia part 2
[16:32] <FreeAlwys> YES I ORDERED THE CODE RED GODDAMNIT
[16:32] <CryHavoc> Pickle..and Rush is making money
[16:32] <Herzen> e-Hernick, I consider good relations as U.S. bringing Ukraine into its spher
[16:32] <tweek> never saw that movie
[16:32] <Herzen> e-Hernick, which is NATO
[16:32] <FreeAlwys> And I would do it again son.
[16:32] <Swigert> Pub: you heard about the college shooting in Canada?
[16:32] <CryHavoc> Herzen its bigger then that
[16:32] <Herzen> e-Hernick, not to mention good bilateral relations in terms of trading and m
[16:32] <Publius> sigh
[16:32] <e-Hernick> Herzen: what does the US have to gain? It's not like the Ukraine can help
[16:32] <Publius> Swigert yah
[16:32] <Pickle> Swigert: If you want to call Montreal "Canada".
[16:32] <tweek> Al Franken has enough of a record of being a douche to sustain himself by wri
[16:32] <FreeAlwys> because I am all that stands beteween you and your life you begrudgingly
[16:32] <FreeAlwys> ;)
[16:32] <BillFrugg> About that video in the topic... BJ recently said that didn't happen, and
[16:32] <tweek> who cares about talk show hosts anyway.
[16:32] <CryHavoc> Ukaraine Belarus and the Baltics represent a land gateway between the EU a
[16:32] <Herzen> e-Hernick, I already said what the U.S. ahs to gain
[16:33] <Pickle> Montreal should be renamed "Retardville"
[16:33] <Swigert> Pickle: just be grateful it didn't happen in Tronna - then there'd be all k
[16:33] <rumbleca> urals
[16:33] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Ukraine can be a valuable bulwark against potential future Russia
[16:33] <FreeAlwys> Pickle, hey do you believe Putin had knowlege of the poisoning of Ukraine
[16:33] <FreeAlwys> And part of the involvement behind it ?
[16:33] * CryHavoc offers Pickle $17.62 fro Quebec
[16:33] <rumbleca> the urals are commonly referred to as the division between erope and asia
[16:33] <Pickle> FreeAlways: I have little doubt about it.
[16:33] <CryHavoc> Free...I do
[16:33] <FreeAlwys> its really not that outragoud a conspiracy theory, it would fit perfectly
[16:33] <FreeAlwys> See Tweek, Picke and Cry are also Nuts like I am.
[16:33] <CryHavoc> Putin would have a lot to gain
[16:33] <tweek> when did I say nuts?
[16:34] <Pickle> FreeAlways: That sort of horseshit is typical Soviet KGB behaviour.
[16:34] <tweek> ... when did I get involved with this bullshit anyway
[16:34] <CryHavoc> its a matter of who would win and who would lose
[16:34] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Middle Eastern security is an important issue, but U.S. strategis
[16:34] <FreeAlwys> Well dime store conspiracists, eqalitarianism to have a conspiracy about
[16:34] <FreeAlwys> No they are not equally silly
[16:34] <tweek> equillateralism??
[16:34] <Herzen> e-Hernick, and since Russia is more likely to align itself with China agains
[16:34] <FreeAlwys> Bush has not imprisoned industrialists and nationalised oil
[16:35] <tweek> fuck, I said the conspiracy theories were similar on their basis, not backgro
[16:35] <FreeAlwys> Bush has not silenced the press, Putin has
[16:35] <Herzen> e-Hernick, To sit as a bulwark against potential European expansionism by ru
[16:35] <tweek> Putin's a fascist at heart. I know that much
[16:35] <FreeAlwys> Bush has not centralized political power in the USA, Putin has.
[16:35] <tweek> kinda like Herzen here
[16:35] <e-Hernick> hmm
[16:35] <Herzen> tweek, Cheers
[16:35] <FreeAlwys> The Congress (DUMA ) in Russia is a rubber stamp now for Putin
[16:35] <FreeAlwys> Half out of fear
[16:35] <rumbleca> herzen: I think russian expansion is over
[16:35] <tweek> FreeAlwys: of being poisoned?
[16:35] <rumbleca> herzen: russian shrinkage
[16:35] <FreeAlwys> half our of shared dreams of facist returns.
[16:35] <tweek> ... christ, who poisons people these days
[16:35] <Herzen> rumbleca, I thought German expansion was over circa 1919
[16:35] * Herzen shrugs
[16:35] <e-Hernick> Russia on its own is no longer a superpower, and it's not on the way to q
[16:36] * Pickle changes topic to 'Air America goes tits-up | http://tinyurl.com/kyqqz You see thi
[16:36] <e-Hernick> But I agree that an alignment of Russia and China... Could easily create
[16:36] <tweek> Russia's no superpower.
[16:36] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Russia on its own still has strategic leverage
[16:36] <tweek> ... and I still dunno what I'm looking for in the topic.
[16:36] <FreeAlwys> Pickle, yep we tried to design cigars that would blow catro up and in ret
[16:36] <Herzen> e-Hernick, especially in its theatre
[16:36] <e-Hernick> However, what I fear is that Russia has lost its knowledge base and has l
[16:36] <FreeAlwys> The current russian regime is about even more competent at things like th
[16:37] <FreeAlwys> Like I said Stalin never had a problem murdering Russians to gain a polit
[16:37] <Swigert> oh my god! Whitney Houston is divorcing Bobby Brown! Like no one saw that
[16:37] <tweek> then why would they fail to finish Yushenko off?
[16:37] <tweek> or make it so bloody obvious?
[16:37] <FreeAlwys> in fact in some battles he lined up his more faithful and he machine gunn
[16:37] <FreeAlwys> at staligrad and kiev
[16:37] <Herzen> Kiev wasn't a major battle dude
[16:37] <Herzen> You're probably thinking of Kursk
[16:37] <DarthBurg> Swigert no shit? wow. the world is going insane
[16:37] <Herzen> or Kharkiv
[16:38] <FreeAlwys> Hmm
[16:38] <Melmoth> tweek: perhaps they weren't thinking of finishing him off, rather weaken hi
[16:38] <Swigert> darth: yeah - ain't it awful.
[16:38] <Melmoth> tweek: make him lose
[16:38] <FreeAlwys> Herzen, I dont know maybe in the west we call it by a different name. Or
[16:38] <DarthBurg> hell, whitney might get some meat back on her bones
[16:38] <BillFrugg> Osama said he wanted Whitney Houston. He can have her
[16:38] <tweek> and give him the opportunity to claim a conspiracy?
[16:38] <DarthBurg> maybe even sing the star spangled banner again
[16:38] <rumbleca> herzen: are you suggesting some kind of fascist uprising is possible in ru
[16:38] <e-Hernick> I miss Soviet Russia...
[16:38] <Pickle> I will now take a moment to laugh at the STUPID MOTHERFUCKERS who argued wit
[16:38] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, Kiev is the capital of Ukraine, Kharkiv was another major industr
[16:38] <Pickle> HA HA HA
[16:38] <FreeAlwys> I dont disclaim confusion at times.
[16:38] <BillFrugg> lol
[16:39] <Swigert> billfrugg: after she converted to islam
[16:39] <DarthBurg> Pickle allow me to join you, HA HA HA
[16:39] <BillFrugg> you mean Air America is doing well?
[16:39] <Herzen> rumbleca, I'm suggesting that we don't discount a huge landmass and large po
[16:39] <FreeAlwys> The Battle of Kiev was a huge encirclement battle in Ukraine during World
[16:39] <Herzen> What the heck
[16:39] <Pickle> BillFrugg: If you count going bankrupt as doing well.
[16:39] <DarthBurg> Pickle is it official?
[16:39] <BillFrugg> yes, that's well
[16:39] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, Hm, maybe I was wrong
[16:39] <rwx> Abusive Domain or User
[16:39] <Herzen> FreeAlwys, Sorry
[16:40] <rumbleca> herzen: but I think the future of russia is one of less cohesion and more
[16:40] <e-Hernick> Herzen: do you know the state of the education system in the Ukraine?
[16:40] <FreeAlwys> Nearly the entire Soviet Southwestern Front of the Red Army was encircled
[16:40] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Currently?
[16:40] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Not so hot
[16:40] <FreeAlwys> Herzen, No problem, I make mistakes all the time.
[16:40] <FreeAlwys> I wasnt even sure, so I had to double check.
[16:40] <e-Hernick> Herzen: worse than India and China?
[16:40] <Herzen> rumbleca, I don't think thats true, except for some Muslim republics in the
[16:40] <Herzen> e-Hernick, No
[16:40] <BillFrugg> Lying Liars, and the bankrupt radio network they used to work for...
[16:41] <L0c0> NBC/WSJ Poll: In dealing with Iraq, Which concerns you more: http://img.photob
[16:41] <DarthBurg> Pickle is it official? AIr America Officially bankrupt?
[16:41] <Herzen> e-Hernick, but worse then Germany and Russia
[16:41] <e-Hernick> Herzen: they still have total literacy, yes?
[16:41] <Herzen> Oh of course
[16:41] <L0c0> Democrats: No Plan: 42%, Republicans: No Change: 37%, Some of Both: 15%
[16:41] <BillFrugg> Darth, I just did a google for news, they're going to declare
[16:41] <Pickle> DarthBurg: Well, it's being reported by Think Progress, which has its lips s
[16:41] <DarthBurg> typical stacked media poll.
[16:41] <DarthBurg> pay it no mind, watch the ballot box.
[16:41] <Pickle> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/13/air-america-bankruptcy
[16:41] <_Fretless> I am suprised it took so long
[16:42] <_Fretless> i dont think they ever made a dollar ran off of Soros money etc
[16:42] <e-Hernick> Herzen: you think russian education is as good as german education ?
[16:42] <L0c0> oh fuck yes
[16:42] <FreeAlwys> Pickle, Just desserts
[16:42] <Melmoth> total literacy is harder today than it was 20 years ago, everywhere.
[16:42] <Herzen> e-Hernick, No, but I think Russian education is similiar to East German educ
[16:42] <e-Hernick> oh, east german
[16:42] <L0c0> SPIKE has "Good Fellas" and that part where Henry beats up Karen's neighbor
[16:42] <BillFrugg> you can only run on money stolen from a boys and girls club for just so l
[16:42] <L0c0> love this part
[16:43] <Herzen> Ideally, I'd want Ukraine to be a strong regional influence with a modern mi
[16:43] * Pickle changes topic to 'Air America going tits-up | http://tinyurl.com/kyqqz You see th
[16:43] <DarthBurg> The right wing is sure to seize on Air America’s financial woes as a sign
[16:43] <DarthBurg> Indeed, many of the country’s most successful and widely-syndicated progr
[16:43] <Herzen> with good bilateral relations with the British, the Israelis, the Americans
[16:43] <Pickle> Since it's not official and Airhead America claims they haven't made a final
[16:43] <DarthBurg> bwahahahaha
[16:43] <BillFrugg> you have to laugh at the comments made. "Right Wing" radio has actually b
[16:43] <Herzen> and the Swedes
[16:44] <DarthBurg> RUSH INVENTED THE FORMAT YOU FUCKS BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[16:44] <e-Hernick> Herzen: russian-built or american-built military?
[16:44] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Ukrainian built
[16:44] <rumbleca> lithuanian built
[16:44] <Herzen> e-Hernick, the Defense industry in the Ukraine is huge and has been since th
[16:44] <WildOscar> morton downey junior was a pioneer too.
[16:44] <e-Hernick> Herzen: okay, whose designs and technology then?
[16:44] <BillFrugg> who'd want to listen to three hours of Randi Rhodes?
[16:44] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Eastern/Ukrainian
[16:44] <rumbleca> e-Hernick: the lithuanians
[16:44] <DarthBurg> hey, when I fail, i always cite someone who is doing well, to make my los
[16:45] <e-Hernick> You think the Ukraine can design modern military systems including main b
[16:45] <DarthBurg> Air America To Declare Bankruptcy, But Progressive Radio Remains Strong
[16:45] <astrodog> e-Hern: Ehm...
[16:45] <DarthBurg> they are bankrupt and strong!
[16:45] <astrodog> Actually, they do. :P
[16:45] <Swigert> where do they get off calling themselves "progressive"?
[16:45] <BillFrugg> if Air America folds, what will it's 12 listeners listen to?
[16:45] <Herzen> e-Hernick, the Ukraine already does design modern military systems including
[16:45] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Ukraine also has the ability to create carriers.
[16:46] <_Fretless> typical progressive attitude denial of reality for the utopian dream
[16:46] <DarthBurg> BillFrugg Ed Schultz tell them the DNC is "Gun Owner Friendly"
[16:46] <BillFrugg> "progressive" is modern day term for "Communist/Socialist"
[16:46] <e-Hernick> has the Ukraine demonstrated the ability to build nuclear reactors in the
[16:46] <DarthBurg> progressive = "Try everything but what works"
[16:46] <_Fretless> better dead than red here
[16:46] <Herzen> e-Hernick, It hasn't built any new ones, no.
[16:46] <astrodog> It hasn't tried, either.
[16:46] <Herzen> e-Hernick, That doesn't mean it can't, just that it doesn't need to or want
[16:47] <Herzen> Odessa is a full naval shipyard too.
[16:47] <rumbleca> why would ukraine build carriers? that seems a bit ridiculous
[16:47] <Herzen> Where many submarines and carriers were built
[16:47] <rumbleca> in a modern context anyways
[16:47] <Herzen> rumbleca, to crush Lithuania obviously
[16:47] <Herzen> Odessa and Sevestapol
[16:47] <rumbleca> herzen: well aside from that obvious threat
[16:47] <e-Hernick> Herzen: do you think it could build a reactor without help from the russi
[16:47] <BillFrugg> most of Air America's potential audience feared that it was actually a pl
[16:48] <Herzen> e-Hernick, Yeah
[16:48] <Herzen> NOt that it needs to
[16:48] <rumbleca> does france have carriers?
[16:48] <Herzen> Since I'd like it to be a regional power
[16:48] <Herzen> rumbleca, Yes
[16:49] <e-Hernick> rumbleca: yes, homebuilt nuclear carries
[16:49] <e-Hernick> very powerful, very unreliable, loaded with shitty french jets
[16:49] <DarthBurg> airamerica was doomed to failure, so called "Progressive" thought can be
[16:49] <rumbleca> french-made jets?
[16:49] <Swigert> billfrugg: college rock
[16:49] <e-Hernick> rumbleca: sure
[16:49] <DarthBurg> Donkeys never did understand economics.
[16:49] <Herzen> France has a pretty full defense industry
[16:49] <Herzen> with native ships, jets, tanks, missiles, etc
[16:49] <rumbleca> mirages? or do the have something new
[16:49] <e-Hernick> yeah
[16:49] <DarthBurg> white flag factories
[16:49] <e-Hernick> rumbleca: rafales too
[16:49] <Swigert> rumbleca: yes - the Charles De Gaulle, and they use French made jets (but h
[16:49] <rumbleca> I am not up on my armaments
[16:49] <asserole> jon stewart is doing pretty well for a progressive
[16:50] <BillFrugg> they have a socialist attitude, and so they don't see the need to actuall
[16:50] <L0c0> damn
[16:50] <e-Hernick> rumbleca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault_Rafale this is their most
[16:50] <BillFrugg> did they have any advertising?
[16:50] <L0c0> Tornador warning issued for southern new mexico
[16:50] <DarthBurg> is Jon Stewart a progressive now? isn't that special.
[16:50] <BillFrugg> Tornado? It's that damn Bush again!
[16:50] <asserole> he has always been a progressive
[16:50] <DarthBurg> really?
[16:50] <asserole> duh.
[16:50] <rumbleca> thanks e-hernick, interesting
[16:51] <L0c0> BillFrugg: its all the hot air growing with the nearing election
[16:51] <L0c0> hehe
[16:51] <DarthBurg> here I thought he was just a comedian.
[16:51] <asserole> that's what he wants you to think
[16:51] <asserole> make no mistake about it, he's quite serious
[16:51] <goppp> hey
[16:51] <BillFrugg> that Dassault Rafale can really move fast in reverse
[16:51] <DarthBurg> to bad I never seen his show.
[16:51] <goppp> I listen to airamerica
[16:51] <goppp> in nyc
[16:51] <goppp> it got owned
[16:51] <DarthBurg> TV is a dead media format, they just don't know it yet.
[16:51] <goppp> they don't even feature full airamerica on thier flag ship station
[16:51] <asserole> he makes fun of bush pretty much every night
[16:51] <asserole> and it's hilarious and right on
[16:51] <goppp> asserole how does
[16:52] <DarthBurg> there are lots of things to make fun of Bush about. he is the leader.
[16:52] <asserole> jon stewart
[16:52] <BillFrugg> did you see the Bush/Little Richard commercial?
[16:52] <DarthBurg> Stewart is also credited with killing CNN's crossfire
[16:52] <asserole> haha
[16:52] <goppp> damn airamerica got taken from thier 1190 station
[16:52] <goppp> and are know on 1600
[16:52] <goppp> and they got owned, it thier flagship station
[16:52] <asserole> i like the colbert report as well
[16:52] <BillFrugg> I thought CNN's Crossfire is what killed CNN's Crossfire
[16:52] <goppp> and they only have three or four of thier shows
[16:52] <goppp> not thier whole programing
[16:53] <DarthBurg> BillFrugg Jon Stewart went on Crossfire, and told them they were part of
[16:53] <BillFrugg> oh yeah... i remember that
[16:53] <DarthBurg> "Just Stop"
[16:53] <DarthBurg> bwahahahaha
[16:53] <DarthBurg> Fuck You Carville, who has a SPORTS show now.
[16:53] <asserole> colbert is also a liberal but he uses irony by portraying himself as a stu
[16:53] <goppp> and they pay for the airtime
[16:53] <goppp> unlike wabc
[16:54] <goppp> who get paid to be on the air
[16:54] <L0c0> dinner options: vietnamese or korean
[16:54] <WildOscar> some of the old firing line shows are archived on the internet. old time
[16:54] <L0c0> hmmm
[16:54] <suna> yah yah yah we get it everyone's a liberal and nobody's a conservative
[16:54] <DarthBurg> thats been done to death
[16:54] <suna> blow it out your ass and start using meaningful language
[16:54] <goppp> the media is aliberal
[16:54] <goppp> point blank
[16:54] <goppp> and they all hate bush
[16:54] <goppp> and bash bush
[16:54] <Pickle> Without realizing the irony created by a stupid leftist who stereotypes cons
[16:54] <asserole> intelligent people tend to be liberals
[16:54] <goppp> most of the media is thierfore left wing
[16:54] <Pickle> Now figure that one out.
[16:54] <DarthBurg> Pickle its a hoot.
[16:54] <goppp> asserole wrong
[16:54] <panini> "bitter leftism"... good term
[16:55] <goppp> asshole and trolls tend to be liberal
[16:55] <BillFrugg> so... Air America pays people to air their stuff, whereas stations actual
[16:55] <goppp> with nothing to offer
[16:55] <suna> wrong goppp? not according to this channel. According to this channel the enti
[16:55] <goppp> BillFrugg yes
[16:55] <goppp> BillFrugg it something that we call in the radio bussiness
[16:55] <DarthBurg> wrong
[16:55] <goppp> paying for air
[16:55] <rumbleca> asserole: I don't think colbert's personae is "stupid"
[16:55] <DarthBurg> suna is just pissed his shit don't pass muster.
[16:55] <killja> Waa Waa Weee Waaaa
[16:55] <panini> suna no one says the entire planet is liberal
[16:55] <goppp> they pay to be on that station
[16:55] <rumbleca> just highly biased
[16:55] <Pickle> BillFrugg: When they're not begging for money on their website or engaging i
[16:55] <goppp> unlike popular station, that get paid to be on the air
[16:55] <panini> especially not the intelligent people
[16:55] <asserole> he willfully pretend to be a stupid republican, rumbleca
[16:55] <BillFrugg> so how does Air America earn money?
[16:55] <asserole> it's part of his schtick
[16:55] <goppp> time buy
[16:56] <goppp> BillFrugg liberal groups like daily koss and move on and donation from listne
[16:56] <panini> but it's safe to say most of the idiots on the planet are liberals
[16:56] <DarthBurg> BillFrugg last big infusion of cash came from a New York Preschool Budget
[16:56] <Pickle> Colbert's persona is the typical leftist stereotype of Bill O'Reilly specifi
[16:56] <BillFrugg> i remember the boys and girls club scam
[16:56] <asserole> republicans act the most pious but ironically are the most criminal
[16:56] <rumbleca> asserole: I just disagree with the "stupid" part
[16:57] <goppp> BillFrugg and randhi rhodes and those on airamerica
[16:57] <goppp> are saying that the path to 911 is a shame and a lie
[16:57] <rumbleca> his personae acts intelligently, if somewhat illogically
[16:57] <Pickle> Although part of the retarded leftist stereotype of O'Reilly is that he IS a
[16:57] <Pickle> Which is why they're retarded.
[16:57] <rumbleca> but mr spock was a bit weird too
[16:57] <asserole> o'reilly isn't a republican?
[16:58] <Lupine|> LOL http://irwinrulez.ytmnd.com/
[16:58] <Pickle> No.
[16:58] <goppp> asserole no he is not
[16:58] <goppp> asserole bill is not a republican
[16:58] <asserole> umm, then what possible reason could there be for his support of bush
[16:58] <goppp> not even a registered republican
[16:58] <Pickle> He's a registered independent, and politically he's a populist.
[16:58] <BillFrugg> o'reilly is no republican, and not conservative
[16:58] <asserole> i don't watch his show much
[16:58] <goppp> asserole why do you need be republican to support bush
[16:58] <goppp> asserole liberman supports bush, that senator from george who a democart supp
[16:58] <rumbleca> what is bill o'reilly then? other than a complete idiot
[16:59] <asserole> because there's no reason to support bush unless it's out of duty to your
[16:59] <goppp> see liberal assume a lot of wacko ideas
[16:59] <BillFrugg> zell miller
[16:59] <goppp> wacko liberals
[16:59] <goppp> zell miller is his name
[16:59] <goppp> I am bad with names
[16:59] <goppp> zill miller is no republican
[16:59] * _Fretless is now known as Fretless
[16:59] <goppp> asserole why do you assume that you wacko liberal logic
[16:59] <goppp> won't work here
[16:59] <BillFrugg> it's just the democrat party moving further to the left
[16:59] <goppp> zell miller is not a republican, thus he can't support bush
[16:59] <asserole> well, it is an unfair assumption: most people aren't that intelligent
[16:59] <goppp> that a wacko logic
[17:00] <rumbleca> so most republicans disagree with bill o'reilly?
[17:00] <Pickle> rumbleca: He has no party affiliation. His politics are populist in nature,
[17:00] <BillFrugg> if you're not a whacko, you're not welcome
[17:00] <goppp> Pickle yes
[17:00] <goppp> populist
[17:00] <goppp> and I am no fan of bill
[17:00] <goppp> I think he annoying
[17:00] <suna> I saw cobert talk once. I don't remember agreeing or disagreeing with what he
[17:00] <BillFrugg> hey!
[17:00] <goppp> even if he has some great points
[17:00] <suna> nothign else was allowed
[17:00] <rumbleca> pickle: hmm, interesting. every time I've seen him he's been bashing clint
[17:00] <goppp> but hey I don't watch tv
[17:00] <Pickle> rumbleca: As anyone who actually watches O'Reilly would know, his views on "
[17:00] <goppp> or own a tv
[17:00] * Thrasher- is now known as Thrasher
[17:00] <suna> the 50 points he made prior to his final sentence were indisputable!
[17:00] <astrodog> Pickle: Because he's insane.
[17:00] <goppp> Pickle yea I heard him on his radio show
[17:00] <goppp> rant about big oil
[17:01] <suna> though as I said i saw him once, i'll give him another shot next time i turn t
[17:01] <suna> errr
[17:01] <suna> nevermind
[17:01] <suna> that's not cobert
[17:01] <suna> got names mixed up
[17:01] <suna> forget that guy's name
[17:01] <Pickle> astrodog: On the contrary, he's as cagey as William Randolph Hearst.
[17:01] <Pickle> Maybe slightly less.
[17:01] <suna> cobert is the cobert report guy right? scratch all that then
[17:01] <suna> cobert report is funny:)
[17:02] <goppp> why does path to 911
[17:02] <goppp> err
[17:02] <goppp> why does airamerica claim that path to 911 is a total lie
[17:02] <goppp> :)
[17:02] <BillFrugg> are you serious?
[17:02] <goppp> I heard all this week of how airamerica is a lie
[17:03] <rumbleca> I dislike populists because populations are typically idiots. I don't buy
[17:03] <DarthBurg> If Air America had filed for bankruptcy every time someone rumored it to
[17:03] <BillFrugg> all they have is defense of BJ, and blame Bush
[17:03] <DarthBurg> people tell me Bill ORielly is a right winger, I do not see it.
[17:03] <asserole> i think he's a christian
[17:03] <DarthBurg> on the bright side, the Republican persecution of BJ's BJ did get him act
[17:03] <BillFrugg> I like having Air America on the air. People tune into it, and can't beli
[17:04] <goppp> BillFrugg they don't even broadcast from
[17:04] <goppp> the same station
[17:04] <BillFrugg> when did BJ actually attack terror?
[17:04] <goppp> they just changed station to a lower station
[17:04] <goppp> 1600
[17:04] <asserole> oreilly goes around using the word "liberal" in disdain
[17:04] <goppp> lower singal
[17:04] <goppp> signal
[17:04] <DarthBurg> the aspirin plant, duing monica's testimony
[17:04] <rumbleca> O'Reilly responded to repeated requests for him to honor his pledge: "My a
[17:04] <goppp> and don't even carry the full airamerica programing
[17:04] <goppp> on thier flag ship station
[17:05] <goppp> as of stempber
[17:05] <Pickle> asserole: No, he doesn't, though he does use the term "secular progressive"
[17:05] <BillFrugg> O'Reilly is all over the scale
[17:05] <asserole> letterman told orielly he was full of shit, or osmething to that effect, w
[17:05] <DarthBurg> asserole anyone with a lick of sense would know your modern day democrat
[17:05] <goppp> they have this moring show, where they have a puppet or very morderate black
[17:05] <Pickle> Sean Hannity is the guy who uses "liberal" as an epithet.
[17:05] <goppp> she claims the oil companies are doing republican a favour
[17:06] <asserole> all these labels are so confusing; it's best to just sit down and explicit
[17:06] <goppp> by lowering gass prices
[17:06] <DarthBurg> I do not care for hannity.
[17:06] <goppp> I don't listen to hannity much
[17:06] * n00b518 is now known as doug58
[17:06] <goppp> I like michle savage
[17:06] <rumbleca> bill o'reilly believes: Believes the ACLU is currently the most dangerous
[17:06] <DarthBurg> asserole words mean things, deal with it
[17:06] <goppp> savage kick ass
[17:06] <asserole> savage is a mysognistic homophobe psychopath
[17:06] <BillFrugg> that's one good point in O'Reilly's favor
[17:06] <DarthBurg> the ACLU is an enemy of the state, so is the ABA and the NEA
[17:06] <goppp> asserole that unture
[17:06] <BillFrugg> Anti-Christ Lawyer's Union
[17:06] <panini> well
[17:07] <asserole> what's so dangerous about the aclu
[17:07] <goppp> asserole do you listen to michle savage show
[17:07] <DarthBurg> i will never defend savage beyond his free speech rights. the dude is O
[17:07] <panini> the same can be said of any liberal organization
[17:07] <goppp> asserole do you ever listen to michle savage show
[17:07] <asserole> i've read some quotes from him, goppp, but have never listened to his show
[17:07] <goppp> asserole why do you make such assumption
[17:07] <goppp> asserole some qoutes
[17:07] <goppp> oh bother
[17:07] <goppp> you don't even listen to his show
[17:07] <BillFrugg> I like Savage, and may agree with him, but I can't stand listening to him
[17:07] <goppp> you read some qoutes
[17:07] <astrodog> Oh bother? :P
[17:07] <goppp> bullshit
[17:07] <rumbleca> interesting, he's not the guy I thought he was. but he conducts himself in
[17:07] <goppp> you need to listen to this show
[17:07] <goppp> to know who savage is
[17:07] <Herzen> American Communist's Litigation Unit
[17:07] <goppp> you fucken liberals
[17:07] <DarthBurg> red diaper doper babies got old quick
[17:08] <goppp> you don't even listen to savage and just make up shit
[17:08] <goppp> like he hates gays
[17:08] <goppp> savage don't hate gays
[17:08] <asserole> "Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pi
[17:08] <asserole> * Bauder, David. "MSNBC fires Savage on anti-gay remarks." Associated
[17:08] <goppp> that bull shit
[17:08] <goppp> he hates gay lobby and such
[17:08] <goppp> but not gays
[17:08] <asserole> that sounds pretty hateful to me
[17:08] <goppp> thier many savage consertive who are gay and call his show
[17:08] <goppp> asserole what sounds
[17:08] <asserole> that quote i just pasted
[17:08] <Swigert> but but but mass shootings arent supposed to happen in Canada. Yeah, yeah
[17:08] <goppp> he gays the gay agenda, in polticals
[17:08] <goppp> asserole that qoute is half true
[17:08] <RobVanDam> i have a theory
[17:08] <RobVanDam> michael savage is gay
[17:08] <asserole> really, is that why he says "you're one of the sodomites!"
[17:08] <RobVanDam> listen to that voice
[17:08] <goppp> asserole you didn't even watch the show
[17:08] <goppp> asserole your lying
[17:09] <goppp> asserole the caller pranked him
[17:09] <RobVanDam> sounds like wolfman jack
[17:09] <goppp> that is they pranked called michle savage show on msnbc
[17:09] <goppp> to get him mad
[17:09] <DarthBurg> Swigert and they immedietly equate it with Columbine, until some wiseass
[17:09] <rumbleca> interesting, bill o'reilly considers ann coulter to be "far right"
[17:09] <goppp> the magement on msnbc didn't want savage on their tv station
[17:09] <goppp> asserole you liberal lie
[17:09] <asserole> another savage gem:
[17:09] <asserole> "I'm beginning to think that women should be denied the vote. Their hormon
[17:09] <asserole> * San Jose Mercury News, November 6, 1998
[17:09] <goppp> you don't even know what happen
[17:09] <goppp> asserole yea that a methaphor
[17:10] <goppp> he didn't say they should be realy denied
[17:10] <DarthBurg> ann coulter is a bomb tosser, but she is right more n she is wrong.
[17:10] <asserole> here's another: "We need racist stereotypes right now of our enemy in orde
[17:10] <DarthBurg> Dan Rather can not make that claim
[17:10] <goppp> liberal can't critacally think
[17:10] <goppp> asserole when di dhe say that
[17:10] <goppp> prove it
[17:10] <doug58> Marxism is still workable if only people did exactly what marx said to do!
[17:10] <rumbleca> don't hate michael savage, his real name is mike weiner
[17:10] <asserole> San Francisco Chronicle, February 6, 2003.
[17:10] <goppp> asserole yes I agree
[17:10] <rumbleca> who could be normal with a name like that
[17:10] <goppp> we need to stero type
[17:10] <goppp> extermist muslism
[17:10] <goppp> I am for sure to tell you taht my grandmother
[17:10] <Swigert> darth: the worst school shooting in North America took place in Montreal -
[17:10] <goppp> won't blow up a bulding
[17:10] <goppp> but muslism extermist will
[17:10] <asserole> he's frekain' insane, goppp: look here--http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Micha
[17:10] <doug58> True Marxism as never been attempted
[17:10] <goppp> what he said is not wrong
[17:10] <goppp> it true
[17:11] <goppp> oh wiki qoute is a liberal run webpage
[17:11] <asserole> you think we should promote racism?
[17:11] <goppp> it bias
[17:11] <DarthBurg> Swigert why do canadians forget history when it involves guns?
[17:11] <doug58> :)
[17:11] <goppp> asserole no I belive we should promote sterotyping
[17:11] <Swigert> darth: they forget history period
[17:11] <goppp> of terriost
[17:11] <goppp> sure
[17:11] <doug58> :)
[17:11] <goppp> we need not be poltically correct
[17:11] <goppp> savage is damn correct
[17:11] <goppp> in not being poltically correct
[17:11] <rumbleca> darthburg: nobody forgets the polytech killings
[17:11] <goppp> we know who the emeney is
[17:11] <doug58> Damn Elephants..Greedy bastards, Bush Lied people died!
[17:11] <DarthBurg> asserole promoting racism is what democrats do
[17:11] <goppp> it terriost binladen and alqueda types
[17:12] <goppp> we know who they are
[17:12] <goppp> we need to take them down, before they take you down
[17:12] <Swigert> rimbleca: now we'll get the gun-grabbers insisting on a new gun registry
[17:12] <asserole> on the 2004 tsunamis: "Many of the countries and the areas in these countr
[17:12] <goppp> asserole if a guys trys to bomb or blow your mom house, you blow his house to
[17:12] <goppp> first
[17:12] <goppp> asserole they are hotbeds
[17:12] <DarthBurg> doug58 which alleged lie did Bush allegedly lie about now?
[17:12] <rumbleca> Swigert: gun grabbers? I doubt a gun registry would do anything to stop so
[17:12] <goppp> many asian countrys are being taken over by radical islam
[17:13] <goppp> that facutal
[17:13] <asserole> he seriously suggested we not help out the tsunami victims
[17:13] <asserole> that is sheer insanity
[17:13] <L0c0> lol
[17:13] <L0c0> LOL
[17:13] <goppp> asserole why should we be father and mother to the world
[17:13] <rumbleca> swigert: nor do I think people carrying guns around would help it either
[17:13] <goppp> why
[17:13] <RobVanDam> asserole: he has a point
[17:13] <Swigert> rumbleca: they will demand its return regardless - fortunately Harper is in
[17:13] <L0c0> GOPPPP: I read that line and read "many asian cowboys are being taken over by
[17:13] * L0c0 puts on his reading glasses
[17:13] <goppp> asserole I didn't see this asian country trying to aid us in katrina
[17:13] <doug58> Darth Everything he knew about 911 he had intelligence it was coming and he
[17:13] <killja> doug58 thats cause 9/11 is great marketing for da neo cons
[17:13] <goppp> asserole you liberal want to spend tax payer dollars
[17:14] <vasili0s> goppp: so, are you looking to revert to isolationism ?
[17:14] <asserole> you cant seriously compare katrina to the tsunami
[17:14] <goppp> it our tax payer dollar
[17:14] <DarthBurg> doug58 so, Bush, himself, knew about 911 in advance? hwat told him that?
[17:14] <rumbleca> swigert: I think the gun registry was a big waste of money. but I don't se
[17:14] <asserole> wasnt their death toll into the millions?
[17:14] <DarthBurg> what
[17:14] <goppp> vasili0s I am looking not to spend all of our tax revune
[17:14] <goppp> some yes
[17:14] <goppp> not all
[17:14] <doug58> Darth, FBI told him, dont you read the reports ?
[17:14] <goppp> because most of the money never reach the people
[17:14] <asserole> yet you just want to sick back and do nothing
[17:14] <goppp> most if it, goes to corrupt offical
[17:14] <asserole> sit
[17:14] <Swigert> rumbleca: it doesn;t work
[17:14] <goppp> it fact
[17:14] <goppp> asserole I never said do nothing
[17:14] <vasili0s> surely then a tsunami that killed thousands and plagued a continent would
[17:14] <doug58> FBI had it on its radar. And warned him.
[17:14] <goppp> asserole and that qoute is half true
[17:14] <DarthBurg> FBI told him specifically that the terrorists were going to hijack planes
[17:14] <goppp> asserole savage also said
[17:14] <goppp> he belives in private donation
[17:14] <asserole> of course you have no problems being mother and father to iraq, i bet
[17:14] <goppp> you asshole
[17:15] <goppp> lie
[17:15] <doug58> Yep Itsa proven
[17:15] <rumbleca> swigert: are you opposed to the idea of a gun regisry? or just that it doe
[17:15] <goppp> asserole I have no problem is taking out saddam
[17:15] <goppp> sure
[17:15] <DarthBurg> doug58 so, you have a handy link?
[17:15] <goppp> asserole saddam order his milltary to attack ours
[17:15] <goppp> and they did for years
[17:15] <Swigert> rumbleca: it has proven to be a costly and ultimately wasteful plan - of co
[17:15] <goppp> you asshole liberal love to put words in people mouths
[17:15] <DarthBurg> or, is this one of those I things that is "Common knowledge"
[17:15] <rumbleca> swigert: does one need a license to own a firearm in canada? (I'm embarass
[17:15] <goppp> you are an asshole liberal, becuase what you do is give aid to the emeney an
[17:15] <goppp> e
[17:15] <DarthBurg> the FBI memo I read said nothing about hijacking airplanes, I suspect you
[17:16] <Swigert> rumb: yes
[17:16] <goppp> we should not give aid, if aid will not be aid but money to corrupt offical
[17:16] <goppp> and savage it better if we have private d onation
[17:16] <goppp> and use that to help society
[17:16] <goppp> savage is no lap dog
[17:16] <goppp> of the republican party
[17:16] <goppp> he stated his dislike
[17:16] <goppp> like I have also
[17:16] <rumbleca> swigert: ok, yeah that seems like it would be enough
[17:16] <asserole> since private donations have much less potential to be spent on corruption
[17:16] <goppp> but you my friend asserole are a lapdog to the dailykoss and move on of the w
[17:16] <goppp> no have far more potential
[17:17] <goppp> don't lie
[17:17] <goppp> they go to the hand of the people
[17:17] <Swigert> rumb: criminals aren';t likely to register their guns or get licenses
[17:17] <goppp> not the fake corrupt goverment
[17:17] <goppp> like many charrity who do a more effeicent and secure job of helping others
[17:17] <rumbleca> swigert: I agree, if we have a licensing system, I don't see what a gun re
[17:17] * n00b203 is now known as Doug58
[17:17] <Swigert> rumb: as has been demonstrated, nothing
[17:18] <goppp> you liberal want to bankrupt america
[17:18] <goppp> with your aid for the world
[17:18] <Swigert> rumb: but pols are far too sensitive to the criticism that they aren't doin
[17:18] <asserole> quit giving liberals a bad wrap
[17:18] <DarthBurg> like we make up the shit donkeys do.
[17:18] <asserole> if you suggest we have anything but good intentions, you are plain dumb
[17:18] <Swigert> yeah liberals have enough of a bad rap
[17:18] <goppp> <asserole> quit giving liberals a bad wrap
[17:18] <goppp> I don't give them a bad wrap they do it unto themself
[17:19] <goppp> I expose the bad rap
[17:19] <goppp> :)
[17:19] <asserole> no, you suggest they intend harm on america
[17:19] <goppp> exposing and giving is two different things
[17:19] <memelo> lula ;)
[17:19] <goppp> I do suggest that, but the bad rap they give unto themself
[17:19] <goppp> by
[17:19] <goppp> :)
[17:19] <DarthBurg> the road to hell is paved with good intentions, Oil for food had good int
[17:19] <goppp> yes they indirectly intend to harm america, with thier tollernce
[17:19] <goppp> and other pc talk
[17:19] <asserole> insanity.
[17:20] <goppp> you must be tollerent, you can't sterotype poteinal terriost
[17:20] <rumbleca> goppp: I agree, welfare should be in the hands of the individual, but west
[17:20] <RobVanDam> yo yo yo
[17:20] <DarthBurg> Democrats have no intention of fighting any war, let alone Terror.
[17:20] <rumbleca> gopp: how many people would go out of their way to help somebody else?
[17:20] <RobVanDam> i bust a cap in yo ass
[17:20] <asserole> welfare is an essential system
[17:20] <RobVanDam> a'ight? a'
[17:20] <RobVanDam> a'ight?
[17:20] <RobVanDam> ok i'm done rapping
[17:20] <goppp> rumbleca may did on 911
[17:20] <DarthBurg> asserole essential for votes
[17:20] <goppp> many did with katrina
[17:20] <goppp> many did with tusumini
[17:20] <DarthBurg> welfare is a failed system by any measure.
[17:20] <goppp> so yes many people do
[17:20] <asserole> the tax cut con perplexes me
[17:20] <DarthBurg> it robs people of the desire to get a job.
[17:20] <rumbleca> tusumini?
[17:20] <goppp> asserole why you can't understand something simple as tax cut
[17:20] <goppp> rumbleca I suck at spelling
[17:21] <goppp> may you please understand what I Type
[17:21] <goppp> or don't talk to me
[17:21] <DarthBurg> asserole tell me, specifically, how welfare prepared the city of New Orle
[17:21] <asserole> i can't understand how republicans clamor for tax cuts while simultaneousl
[17:21] <DarthBurg> tax cut con?
[17:21] <asserole> it's like they can't do math
[17:21] <DarthBurg> cutting taxes is no con, raising them typically is, like the "Temporary I
[17:21] <rumbleca> goppp: what about the lower class people? do they really get help?
[17:21] <DarthBurg> math is not a donkeys strong point no.
[17:21] <RobVanDam> rumbleca: people with no class should not be helped
[17:21] <rumbleca> goppp: as one black person said 9/11 was a charity for rich white people w
[17:21] <RobVanDam> rumbleca: well maybe train them in class...
[17:22] <rumbleca> goppp: that's how she saw it, anyways
[17:22] <RobVanDam> but classless people are a disease on this country
[17:22] <DarthBurg> asserole you feel everyone pain, but the taxpayer.
[17:22] <RobVanDam> most people have no class
[17:22] <RobVanDam> rumbleca: oh you meant poor? why didn't you just say that
[17:22] <rumbleca> RobVanDam: you might wear virgin wool sweaters and hang around at the coun
[17:22] <panini> rumbleca, lol... so 9/11 is racist now?
[17:22] <RobVanDam> rumbleca: actually I do
[17:23] <goppp> rumbleca so 911 i racist
[17:23] <rumbleca> RobVanDam: you do what?
[17:23] <goppp> rumbleca and define class
[17:23] <goppp> you can't
[17:23] <RobVanDam> wow
[17:23] <rumbleca> when I say low class I mean economically lower class
[17:23] <RobVanDam> i am suprised gopp can even spell class
[17:23] <asserole> most tax cuts benefit the rich
[17:23] <goppp> you are saying that people who have proper style of eating and dressing are w
[17:23] <RobVanDam> but he can
[17:23] <DarthBurg> asserole so?
[17:23] <goppp> rumbleca well I mean both as in proper style to eat
[17:23] <DarthBurg> are not the rich paying the most?
[17:24] <goppp> asserole can't debate tax cuts
[17:24] <DarthBurg> how about them math skillz?
[17:24] <goppp> he preplex
[17:24] * Fretless is now known as _Fretless
[17:24] <asserole> the top tax rate is 35% of what it was in the 70s
[17:24] <goppp> DarthBurg how about gore and cliton "new matH"
[17:24] <DarthBurg> the 70's was utopia?
[17:24] <DarthBurg> tax rate in the 70's was 70%
[17:24] <goppp> asserole the 70's was having problems
[17:24] <goppp> with gas
[17:24] <Melmoth> http://wuzzadem.typepad.com/wuz/2006/09/cultures_of_mas.html <= satire o
[17:24] <DarthBurg> it was NOT utopia
[17:24] <DarthBurg> asserole you are not helping your cause here bub
[17:24] <goppp> DarthBurg late 70's where as good
[17:24] <rumbleca> panini: I am not saying 9/11 is inherently racist, but a lot of the goodwi
[17:25] <goppp> with jimmy carter and such
[17:25] <DarthBurg> bbl Dinner time
[17:25] <RobVanDam> soviet union was utopia
[17:25] <RobVanDam> don't be silly darth
[17:25] <asserole> the effective tax rate on corporate profits has been cut in half since the
[17:25] <goppp> rumbleca mos to fit
[17:25] <goppp> was rumbleca of it was income base
[17:25] <rumbleca> lol
[17:25] <goppp> most of the help was to help people based on income
[17:25] <goppp> it was not based on instant money for lossing family
[17:26] <goppp> it was based on income
[17:26] <goppp> that not racist
[17:26] <goppp> I bet thier was top exec blacks
[17:26] <goppp> that worked in the trade centera
[17:26] <goppp> and hispanic asian
[17:26] <goppp> not just whites
[17:26] <goppp> so don't make up shit
[17:26] <goppp> if you didn't get paid much well why should you get paid more for lossing som
[17:26] <rumbleca> goppp: I never said it was racist
[17:26] <rumbleca> somebody else did
[17:26] <goppp> and why didn't that some one have life insurance
[17:26] <asserole> families in the middle of the income distribution find themselves paying a
[17:27] <rumbleca> goppp: no, that's not what I'm talking about at all
[17:27] <goppp> asserole why do you care about the poor so much
[17:27] <asserole> heh.
[17:27] <asserole> because i have morals?
[17:28] <goppp> asserole do you know what the bibles says about SO called "said lazy people"?
[17:28] <asserole> do you know that jesus says about the chances of a rich man getting into h
[17:28] <asserole> what
[17:28] <rumbleca> the point of a welfare state is to help people at the bottom. if you rely
[17:29] <RobVanDam> asserole: except for one thing.... i am made to pay capital gains tax
[17:29] <RobVanDam> asserole: even though I reinvest
[17:29] <goppp> rumbleca 911 was not about helping the botclass
[17:29] <goppp> bottom class
[17:29] <RobVanDam> most of my income comes from the stock market
[17:29] <goppp> rumbleca it was not an attack on the bottom class
[17:29] <asserole> Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the Earth.
[17:29] <goppp> that is stupid to argue
[17:29] <asserole> Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.
[17:29] <asserole> Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
[17:29] <asserole> pretty much the opposite of a republican's mindset
[17:29] <goppp> asserole do you know what the bibles says about SO called "said lazy people"?
[17:29] <RobVanDam> hardly any comes from my dead end below living wage job
[17:29] <goppp> you didn't answer my question
[17:29] <goppp> asserole why
[17:29] <rumbleca> goppp: I thought we were talking about why the government needs to be invo
[17:30] <asserole> For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beat
[17:30] <goppp> rumbleca what does 911 have to do with welfare
[17:30] <goppp> rumbleca what does 911 have to do with welfare
[17:30] <goppp> why won't you answer that
[17:30] <goppp> asserole
[17:31] <goppp> asserole do you know what the bibles says about SO called "said lazy people"?
[17:31] <asserole> you falsely assume welfare is for lazy people
[17:32] <asserole> what does it say, though
[17:32] <goppp> why won't you answer my question
[17:32] <asserole> no, i dont know what it says
[17:32] <goppp> it says you have to help your self for god to help you
[17:32] <goppp> that is get off your ass, do something postive (work or help) and god will he
[17:33] <Pickle> Fuck. Ten seconds of Arianna Huffington and I have to turn off the tv.
[17:33] <Melmoth> asserole: because they're not interested in the message of jesus, just how
[17:33] <_Forbin> Internet Gambling Bill Stalled and unlikely to Pass In Senate
[17:33] <_Forbin> written September 13, 2006
[17:33] <_Forbin> It appears that the Internet gambling bill won't make it through the Senate
[17:33] <_Forbin> and there it is
[17:33] <_Forbin> didnt stand a chance
[17:33] <_Forbin> bhaahaa
[17:33] <goppp> Melmoth is that the most improtant part of the bible and why are you not toll
[17:33] <Melmoth> goppp: try making sense for a change, ok?
[17:34] <goppp> Melmoth why are liberal not tollereant of christian but are tollerent of muli
[17:34] <Melmoth> goppp: that's not true, they think they're the same (which they are)
[17:34] <Melmoth> the texas talibans
[17:34] <asserole> christianity is more of a threat to my rights than islam
[17:35] <asserole> rights and psychological well-being
[17:35] <asserole> because it's the dominant force where i grew up
[17:35] <goppp> [20:34] <asserole> christianity is more of a threat to my rights than i
[17:35] <goppp> k that it
[17:35] <goppp> asserole prove it
[17:35] <asserole> it's true
[17:35] <goppp> are christian
[17:35] <goppp> attacking you
[17:36] <asserole> yes.
[17:36] <goppp> are they bombing your car, your home
[17:36] <goppp> your towers
[17:36] <goppp> world trade centers
[17:36] <Melmoth> goppp: islam is not a threat over here, because it's not a popular belief a
[17:36] <goppp> pentagons, cobar towers
[17:36] <goppp> Melmoth then what was 911 worldtrade center pentgon and world trade center 19
[17:36] <goppp> what do you call that
[17:36] <goppp> a peaceful act
[17:36] <goppp> ???
[17:36] <asserole> muslims are not bombing me, but christianity is attacking the psychologica
[17:37] <asserole> its
[17:37] <v0id`> haha
[17:37] <Melmoth> goppp: a convenient excuse for religious fanatics to take away your rights
[17:37] <TimothyT> goppp : are you talking to yourself in a mirror ?
[17:37] <goppp> asserole are they attacking you like mulsim attack gay
[17:37] <asserole> granted that christianity is much more tolerant towards gays than islam
[17:37] <goppp> asserole are christian attacking gays liek muslism
[17:37] <Melmoth> goppp: his neighbours aren't muslims
[17:37] <goppp> Melmoth my neighbours are where muslims
[17:38] <asserole> i grew up in the bible belt
[17:38] <goppp> they where the ones who blow up the towers
[17:38] <asserole> mostly baptists around
[17:38] <Lupine|> ass: what rights are they attacking?
[17:38] <goppp> asserole k given thier some wacko christian
[17:38] <v0id`> shut up about it
[17:38] <asserole> some? they've infiltrated the republican party
[17:38] <goppp> asserole I can give you links where muslism totoure and kill gays
[17:38] <goppp> asserole they have
[17:38] <v0id`> christians aren't persecuting gays
[17:38] <goppp> so guilina is a christian
[17:38] <asserole> yes, they are
[17:38] <v0id`> gays are persecuting themselves for trying to be different
[17:38] <goppp> wrong
[17:38] <goppp> asserole is gulina a christian wacko
[17:38] <Melmoth> v0id`: ahh, blaming the victim.
[17:39] <v0id`> lmao
[17:39] <v0id`> It's true.
[17:39] <goppp> is say christy tod withman a christian wacko
[17:39] <goppp> is say condi lisa rice a christian wacko
[17:39] <v0id`> Christianity doesn't agree with it
[17:39] <goppp> is say bloomberg
[17:39] <abum> heh condi lisa
[17:39] <v0id`> but it's a worldwide thing
[17:39] <Melmoth> v0id`: and I suppose that rape victims were really asking for it?
[17:39] <asserole> christianity is trying to define it as a perversion instead of a beautiful
[17:39] <v0id`> Catholics don't support homosexuality either
[17:39] <v0id`> Neither do Muslims, Hindu, etc
[17:39] <goppp> abum condi lisa is pro aboration, so is gulina, so is christy tod withman
[17:39] <goppp> asserole
[17:39] <Lupine|> asserole: awe.. pooor babies.. you poor poor babies..
[17:39] <goppp> and theya re republicans
[17:39] <abum> her name is condeleeza
[17:39] <goppp> so your theory is stupid
[17:40] <goppp> condeleeza rice is pro women rights
[17:40] <Lupine|> asserole: many gays are highly intolerant of others.. so it's about equal
[17:40] <v0id`> join #gaychristians and end it
[17:40] <goppp> and it was in the bible belt
[17:40] <asserole> it's easy to be an adult about it when you're actually an adult, but not s
[17:40] <Melmoth> abum: condoleeza, with an o
[17:40] <goppp> where they allowed gays to become preiset
[17:40] <Lupine|> gopp: no, she is pro equal rights. she does not believe in any "special rig
[17:40] <goppp> or what ever it called
[17:40] <abum> i knew i was going to mess that up
[17:40] <goppp> Lupine| well
[17:40] <goppp> Lupine| but guleina is pro women rights
[17:40] <goppp> err equal
[17:40] <Lupine|> asserole: so in otherwards, you do not believe others have freedom fo speec
[17:40] <abum> guleina?
[17:40] <goppp> he not pro life
[17:41] <goppp> asserole only gays have fre edom
[17:41] <asserole> Lupine|: no, i didn't suggest that at all
[17:41] <goppp> asserole it sick to see that gays should offend others by having sex in the s
[17:41] <goppp> asserole do you want to see how muslism treat gays
[17:41] <goppp> on youtube
[17:41] <asserole> Lupine|: i was just saying how christians are a threat to well-being and r
[17:41] <asserole> sure, goppp
[17:41] <goppp> [20:34] <asserole> christianity is more of a threat to my rights than i
[17:41] <asserole> although i already know
[17:41] <goppp> Lupine| [20:34] <asserole> christianity is more of a threat to my right
[17:41] <abum> gopp is really hyped up tonight eh
[17:41] <Melmoth> goppp: is that what you like to watch when alone
[17:42] <Lupine|> asserole: well, gays are a threat to the well-being and rights as manifest
[17:42] <goppp> Lupine| I just got my senior research project
[17:42] <goppp> Lupine| I have to make a protype and research about a digital menu at a restr
[17:42] <goppp> both webbased for offices, to order lunch and at table
[17:42] <asserole> Lupine|: when have you ever heard anyone suggest the repression of religio
[17:42] <asserole> brb
[17:42] <goppp> Lupine| what you think
[17:42] <goppp> Lupine| my advisor told me that my senior project
[17:43] <Lupine|> asserole: they have that right to freedom fo speech and religion. you shoul
[17:43] <v0id`> Christianity oppresses lots of people
[17:43] <v0id`> quit feeling like a victim
[17:43] <Herzen> Federal NDP Leader Jack Layton says Canada's military should be focusing on
[17:43] <Lupine|> gopp: do it using a PSP, wireless, etc..
[17:43] <Herzen> Jack Layton is a retard.
[17:43] <v0id`> Most "Christians" think all Muslims are terrorists for example.
[17:43] <v0id`> And it's because they're ignorant
[17:43] <Lupine|> v0id: i doubt that.. but hey, don't you love it when your making up a stere
[17:43] <v0id`> and the church has been infiltrated with media opinion
[17:44] <v0id`> I love it.
[17:44] <goppp> Lupine| you got to watch this
[17:44] <goppp> Lupine| Arab Leader Yasir Arafat was Gay
[17:44] <goppp> http://youtube.com/watch?v=kPtUg79SGjk
[17:44] <goppp> hahaahhaahah
[17:44] <Swigert> herzen: the man is nuts
[17:44] <v0id`> I'll just let mr oppressed gay guy continue to rant.
[17:44] <goppp> Herzen you got to watch this http://youtube.com/watch?v=kPtUg79SGjk
[17:44] <goppp> after arriving from Egypt to work as a software engineer, Nagib falls for his
[17:45] <goppp> http://youtube.com/watch?v=AHxgP3kEdQ0
[17:47] <Lupine|> gopp: damn, a gay terrorist.. what does he do? Sheisse-bomb straight night
[17:47] <goppp> Lupine| :)
[17:47] <goppp> do did you see the affert video
[17:47] <TimothyT> goppp : I knew Yassir Arafat had gay tendencies cause his wife never gave
[17:48] <goppp> TimothyT :)
[17:49] <TimothyT> His wife is like Saddam Husayn Al-Tikriti's wife want the store and the mo
[17:50] <goppp> he was a ugly fuck
[17:51] <TimothyT> Saddam in 1979 was a better husband but still a terrorist !
[17:51] * _Fretless is now known as Fretless
[17:53] <Melmoth> in the middle east, the active partner in homosexual intercourse is not con
[17:53] <Melmoth> similar attitudes can be found in latin america
[17:53] <Melmoth> and were prevalent all over in the ancient world
[17:53] <BillFrugg> so they make women wear bhurkas because they're all gay?
[17:57] <wiretapp> Melmoth which is the active partner, the top?
[17:57] * CrispyZzZ is now known as Crispy`
[17:57] <Melmoth> wiretapp: I'm not that familiar with the terminology, but I would assume so
[17:57] <Crispy`> Ahh, nice to be back. :D
[17:58] <wiretapp> Melmoth well there is also such things as "power bottoms" where basically
[17:58] <Melmoth> wiretapp: anyway, it's the question of who penetrates and who is being pene
[17:58] <wiretapp> In ancient Rome they would take young boys apprentices and sexually initia
[17:59] <wiretapp> Melmoth aha well that wouldn't be analogous to 'active'
[17:59] <Melmoth> homosexuality was quite rare in rome until relatively late in their history
[17:59] <Melmoth> with the generation of julius caesar
[17:59] <wiretapp> yea i only know from the hbo series on
[17:59] <wiretapp> lol j/k
[18:00] <wiretapp> what about aristotle and company
[18:00] <Melmoth> they learnt it from the greeks
[18:00] <wiretapp> did my philosophy teacher lie to me
[18:00] <Melmoth> he was greek, not roman :>
[18:00] <wiretapp> ahh yes
[18:00] <Melmoth> ancient greek pederasty would be called pedophilia today
[18:00] <vasili0s> some history courses might be in order.
[18:02] <Melmoth> the symposium by plato is a very good contemporary source on the matter, an
[18:04] <Melmoth> and, which comes as a surprise to some, it shows that socrates seems to hav
[18:09] * LSMan|BNC is now known as LSMan
[18:12] <Mr_wong> what's happening?
[18:13] <td-> we're watching Jimmy Carter on Larry King
[18:14] <goppp> hmm
[18:14] <goppp> what up with airamerica
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> hey guys
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> what is the OPPOSITE of an EPILOGUE?
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> epilogue is at the end
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> what do you call the begining?
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> in book terms?
[18:18] <LSMan> prologue heh
[18:18] <bi0h4z4rd> thank you!
[18:24] <goppp> wow
[18:25] <goppp> after watchin this video
[18:25] <goppp> http://tinyurl.com/kyqqz
[18:25] <goppp> I got a buffer overflow
[18:25] <goppp> futhermore this video proves
[18:25] <goppp> clinton did nothing
[18:25] <RobVanDam> hmmm anna nicole smith killed her kid?
[18:25] <goppp> but like typical liberal
[18:25] <goppp> media it say well clinton is not to blame
[18:25] <goppp> for he treated it as a crinmal case, blame the milltary
[18:26] <goppp> they have video and act footage where binladen was
[18:26] <goppp> he was an easy target
[18:26] <TimothyT> Anna Nicole Smith didn't kill her kid !
[18:26] <goppp> who did
[18:26] <TimothyT> I think alcohol did
[18:26] <RobVanDam> TimothyT: she didn't?
[18:26] <TimothyT> nope
[18:26] <RobVanDam> i look down on people who die from drugs and alcohol
[18:27] <goppp> who nancy grace
[18:27] <goppp> and what network is she on
[18:27] <RobVanDam> weak, ill willed people
[18:27] <RobVanDam> no self control
[18:27] <goppp> hahhaahahaah REPORT: 'AIR AMERICA' TO FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY...
[18:27] <goppp> but alfaken say it all lies
[18:28] <goppp> Air America Radio will announce a major restructuring on Friday, which is exp
[18:28] <goppp> does this mean more bandwith on xm
[18:29] <goppp> one less channel talking crap
[18:29] <goppp> and rants
[18:29] <Melmoth> RobVanDam: how about people who die from lifestyle diseases like coronary a
[18:29] <goppp> The right wing is sure to seize on Air America’s financial woes as a sign tha
[18:29] <goppp> this is comming from a left wing webpage
[18:29] <goppp> so it must be half true
[18:29] <goppp> or true
[18:31] <CometBaby> Air America Radio will announce a major restructuring on Friday, which is
[18:32] <Zaw> air america is still in business? i thought they went bankrupt a year or so ago
[18:32] <slipz`> I guess liberal talk radio just doesn't work
[18:32] <abum> yea if you scroll down the page there is a reply from air america saying we ar
[18:32] * slipz` is now known as slipz
[18:32] <abum> it helps to read the whole page
[18:33] <RobVanDam> abum: we will find out on friday, won't we?
[18:33] <slipz> That's what they say. I guess ya' never know in the end
[18:33] <slipz> Business leaders say a lot of things
[18:33] <slipz> Most of them lies
[18:33] <RobVanDam> abum: she said they will anounce
[18:33] <RobVanDam> abum: of course they are denying it
[18:33] <abum> you can find out now if you read the whole page
[18:33] <RobVanDam> abum: wtf do you want? for them to confirm it?
[18:33] <Mr_wong> could have been a share price hoax.
[18:33] <RobVanDam> nobody says they are going into bankruptcy before they do it
[18:34] <goppp> from a liberal Air America going under is definetly a good sign that progress
[18:34] <abum> that's what you want
[18:34] <goppp> so going under is good
[18:34] <RobVanDam> progressive radio?
[18:34] <RobVanDam> you mean liberal?
[18:34] <slipz> Regardless of what some clip says, Air America is/has been in trouble for a l
[18:34] <slipz> Everything from the way they managed money, to retaining listeners
[18:34] <abum> it just started
[18:35] <slipz> abum: Since it started
[18:35] <abum> yes
[18:35] <abum> which is not a long time
[18:35] <slipz> Long enough to know if a radio network will be able to get its feet off the g
[18:35] <abum> pshhh
[18:35] <abum> let's put it this way
[18:36] <abum> air america has made more money than Arbusto
[18:36] <abum> lol
[18:36] <Mr_wong> can someone explain air america for a non american?
[18:36] * OldHippy wonders if Err American ever paid back the money they took from those poor kids?
[18:36] <slipz> I dunno', I don't listen to much talk radio anymore anyways
[18:36] <custom> hello
[18:37] <OldHippy> Mr_wong, a radically Liberal radio station that has been subsidized since
[18:38] <custom> can someone give me a rational explanation for this? jet fuel burns at 1700Â
[18:38] <FEMA_> no custom, no one can
[18:38] <custom> magic?
[18:38] <RobVanDam> custom: it was an inside job?
[18:38] <FEMA_> voodoobullshit
[18:38] <custom> thank you
[18:38] <RobVanDam> custom: do you understand that paper burnt
[18:38] <custom> the response I got in the undernet room was a ban, for that very sentence
[18:38] <RobVanDam> custom: then it ignited everything else?
[18:39] <OldHippy> Custom, first off all the insulation was knocked off in the crash. Second
[18:39] <custom> paper burns at even a lower temperature then jet fuel.
[18:39] <RobVanDam> thank you oldhippy
[18:39] <RobVanDam> custom: sigh....
[18:39] <RobVanDam> custom: you don't get it
[18:39] * slipz wonders why people still question the WTC attacks
[18:39] <slipz> I mean /really/
[18:39] <FEMA_> ummmkaaaayy. explain away the textbook demolition of building #7.
[18:39] <goppp> I’m surprised it’s lasted this long, how many stations are left carrying it,
[18:39] <goppp> ahahaha
[18:39] <DarthBurg> all of the steel did not have to melt, just the bolts, welds, rivets, wea
[18:40] <OldHippy> supz, because they are scared shitless to believe the truth. If it was b
[18:40] <slipz> If you don't believe it, then well ... you're kind of a moron
[18:40] <goppp> so who made the bet that airamerica was going to last 10 years
[18:40] <custom> no, sir you dont, what about all the iron, and sulpher found in the debris?
[18:40] <dam|an> String too long custom!
[18:40] <OldHippy> fema, textbook? Name all the building blown from the top down?
[18:40] <goppp> DarthBurg what liberal made the bet that airamerica was going to last over 10
[18:40] <custom> at least there is a debate in this room...
[18:40] * slipz starts distributing tin foil hats to the channel
[18:40] <slipz> They're FREE!
[18:41] <DarthBurg> no thanks, my recpetion is fine
[18:41] <custom> OldHippy: how did tower 7 fall gain? eventhough it wasnt even hit buy any pl
[18:41] <RobVanDam> slipz: thanks
[18:41] <custom> by*
[18:41] <OldHippy> Blowing a building from the top down and not using weight and gravity woul
[18:41] <RobVanDam> custom: debris and heat
[18:41] <RobVanDam> thanks
[18:41] <FEMA_> custom.... dont even try to open that conversation. ya can't fix stupid.
[18:41] <goppp> Funny thing about the Market….people vote in radio with their dials. Maybe li
[18:41] <DarthBurg> yes, its true, you can lead a liberal to logic, but you can not amke them
[18:41] <OldHippy> Custom, how were people killed in hotels across the way from the WTC that
[18:41] <custom> robVanDam: 6 hours at over 3000° F? from a building a block away? Impossibl
[18:41] <RobVanDam> goppp: i'd tap the ugly chick though... jeanine garafalo
[18:41] <RobVanDam> :)
[18:42] <FEMA_> uh uh
[18:42] <RobVanDam> custom: yes, because jet fuel doesn;t burn at a high temp
[18:42] <goppp> RobVanDam I had no idea one could file for intellectual bankruptcy. But if an
[18:42] <OldHippy> RobVanDam, the only thing burining in the WTC was jet fuel?
[18:42] <FEMA_> jet fuel is basically high grade kerosene..
[18:43] <FEMA_> doesn't really burn that hot
[18:43] <custom> it burns at 1700° F
[18:43] <RobVanDam> OldHippy: not true
[18:43] <goppp> RobVanDam Their new name is OFF THE AIR AMERICA. You can’t preach gloom and d
[18:43] <RobVanDam> OldHippy: everything else started burning
[18:43] <goppp> There are only so many :Black Helicopter” theories that you come up with. Th
[18:43] <RobVanDam> goppp: that's nice
[18:43] * Thrasher- is now known as Thrasher
[18:43] <FEMA_> lots of magnesium in the rubble tho
[18:43] <OldHippy> RobVanDam, so nothing else in the WTC was flammable but jet fuel? Do y
[18:43] <FEMA_> thermite
[18:43] <RobVanDam> OldHippy: no, but I am selling a few
[18:43] <RobVanDam> OldHippy: interested?
[18:44] <Swigert> hey
[18:44] <TheTailor> thermite nonsense
[18:44] <custom> FEMA: it was actually thermate, which uses sulpher, this causes the reaction
[18:44] <goppp> TheTailor Oh well, there goes Al Qaeda’s voice on our air waves…how long ’til
[18:44] <goppp> TheTailor is it true that airamerica is going bankrupt
[18:44] <OldHippy> How hot does coal burn? Yet when used with inducted air, they use it t
[18:45] <TheTailor> goppp, I don't know
[18:45] <FEMA_> just about everyone that really knows anything about engineering and demoliti
[18:45] <TheTailor> haha, there wasn't any fucking thermite at all.
[18:45] <slipz> custom: Well, a plane flying into a building is a neat visual effect then. Ev
[18:45] <TheTailor> Incredible what people will believe.
[18:45] <OldHippy> Acetelene alone burns rather slowly, mix it with O2 and you have a torch t
[18:46] <goppp> TheTailor I just read on drudge that american is fliing for bankrupcty
[18:46] <goppp> TheTailor #
[18:46] <goppp> Air America is and may be the worst radio net I ever heard. Randi Rhodes? Al
[18:46] <Mr_wong> Jews did the WTC. only logical explanation. lol. con we move on?
[18:46] <slipz> custom: I mean, that is one hell of an illusion
[18:46] <OldHippy> Thermite. = Iron Oxide plus Aluminium. How much Iron and aluminum in
[18:46] <FEMA_> there was magnesium found in the debris
[18:46] <custom> slipz: yeah you get it.
[18:46] <LSMan> goppp, you could say the same thing about most right wing talk radio
[18:46] <TheTailor> Mr_wong, yes, it was a relgious attack
[18:46] <custom> it was a hollywood stunt
[18:46] <LSMan> the real lesson is that talk radio sucks
[18:46] <goppp> I guess ABC (altough it may have changed), NBC, CBS, CNN, NPR is not enough!
[18:46] <Swigert> no no no - the Canadians did it
[18:46] <custom> haha
[18:47] <custom> it was me!
[18:47] <FEMA_> get it hot enuf and it will melt metals
[18:47] <RobVanDam> goppp: would you shut up already?
[18:47] <custom> i flew all of the planes
[18:47] <goppp> LSDWash that they are the voice to alquea
[18:47] <custom> i haxored them
[18:47] <TheTailor> It was hollywood, did any of you actually SEE the rubble? Hmmmm?
[18:47] <goppp> hmm RobVanDam k but If Air America is such an informative format and “Lot” of
[18:47] <Mr_wong> who's heard of the creglist expiriment?
[18:48] <RobVanDam> goppp: no one is arguing with you, just shut up, you are like a broken re
[18:48] <abum3> a broken record that cant spell
[18:48] <RobVanDam> lol
[18:48] <RobVanDam> I wasn't trying to be mean abum
[18:48] <abum3> it comes natural to you, i understand
[18:48] <OldHippy> RobVanDam, he makes a good point. If Err America was a decent station it
[18:49] <TheTailor> RobVanDam, but it was a cheap shot, how oculd abum3 resist?
[18:49] <Mr_wong> advertising kills NPOV tho.
[18:49] <Melmoth> I have no problem whatsoever with the accepted official version of how the
[18:49] <Swigert> melmoth = paid agent of Bush
[18:49] <DarthBurg> Melmoth?
[18:50] <Mr_wong> melmoth must be protecting his jew gold.
[18:50] <Mr_wong> it was the jews end of story.
[18:50] <DarthBurg> Mossad did it
[18:51] <FEMA_> darn, i want my 15 megabytes of fame too!
[18:52] <Melmoth> some people just don't understand how firestorms happen.
[18:52] * OldHippy enjoys how people play on other's ignorance to get them to buy into conspiracy t
[18:52] <FEMA_> hell, i don't take anything that i see on tv at face value anymore. the medi
[18:52] <DarthBurg> like they ever did.
[18:52] <Mr_wong> not in america anyway.
[18:53] <custom> oldHippy, the offical story is also a conspiracy theory, one that defies sci
[18:53] <DarthBurg> the side the media is on is pretty clear, and its not bush's
[18:53] <custom> some of us in this world still belive in science
[18:53] <OldHippy> custom what part of the offical story defies science?
[18:53] <custom> all of it
[18:53] <custom> tower 7 is the most obvious
[18:53] <Nomex> DarthBurg: the media isn't on a side
[18:53] <OldHippy> Be specific.
[18:54] <custom> buildings dont just fall because of a fire across the street
[18:54] <Nomex> the media is there to make money, just like every other corporation
[18:54] <FEMA_> well said custom. we dont want to believe anything that disturbs our narrow
[18:54] <Nomex> they will do and say what will make them the most
[18:54] <TheTailor> custom, and of course there were the unmistakable signs tht the "official
[18:54] <custom> take a look at the madrid fire, the building burned for almost a week and wa
[18:54] <DarthBurg> Nomex actually, the vast majority