Session Start: Thu Sep 07 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #politics
[00:17] <AA_USA_MA> well?
[00:22] <wiretapp> "Wanted: Bright graduate student to assist world-famous scientist. Interna
[00:34] <DowJones-> It was necessary to attack the Normandy beach ?
[00:34] <fordnut> no
[00:34] <fordnut> we should have waited another 9 months
[00:34] <fordnut> and nuked berlin
[01:07] <novoca1n> FreeTimer - you around?
[01:18] <FreeTimer> 01:18:51 07/09/2006 LOG
[01:29] * [1]panini is now known as panini
[01:50] <FreeTimer> Disrespect
[01:56] <allan5oh> so apparently ahmadinejad is going to visit the UN in NY
[01:59] <tatar> did you know there is a US-Russian airbase right next to eachother in Kyrgyzs
[02:12] <gopp> both Ahmadinejad and Chavez will fly from Havana where they will see Castro...
[02:18] <tatar> thats old news gopp
[02:19] <gopp> from when
[02:20] <tatar> yesterday
[02:20] <gopp> I was gone yesterday
[02:22] <tatar> ag
[02:28] <gopp> dam
[02:28] <gopp> second day of class
[02:28] <gopp> already a quiz
[02:32] <NurseVet5> how do I see the chat?
[02:33] <gopp> what chat
[02:50] <allan5oh> * Added |--!*@* to ignore list
[02:50] <allan5oh> much better
[02:52] <FreeTimer> 02:52:46 07/09/2006 LOG
[03:14] <CometBaby> If you are being annoyed with spam about freenode, the best way to ignore
[03:14] <CometBaby> .. /ignore *!*@pool-71-250-75-124.nwrknj.east.verizon.net
[03:14] <CometBaby> ,, /ignore *!*@pool-70-111-240-111.nwrk.east.verizon.net
[03:26] <_3Josephs> Ms. Paris Hilton, dui
[03:27] <allan5oh> haha sweet
[03:28] <allan5oh> although just looking at her, you'd think her parents were also DUI, doing
[03:28] <allan5oh> she looks like a FAS kid
[03:31] <novocain> freetimer here yet? :p
[03:31] <allan5oh> http://www.suncor.com/links_popup.aspx?ID=2735 <- kickass, 200 million
[03:50] <subjazz> lol
[03:50] <subjazz> ok wheres som,e audio of this speech
[03:51] <subjazz> sounds like hes really sliding down in the popularity stakes
[03:51] <subjazz> judging by that topic
[03:51] <subjazz> he mustve fucked up bigtime again
[03:54] <novocain> bush??? cmon.... </sarcasm>
[03:54] <novocain> its not all him, its that evil cabal
[03:55] <subjazz> id place a bet on the dems winning the next election but theyre probably 1
[03:59] <novocain> ya who knows.. like they're going to be better at this point
[04:00] <subjazz> weather theyre a better govornment is irrelevant to getting democratically
[04:01] <subjazz> and id say thats the case in any situation
[04:01] <subjazz> not just this one
[04:02] <Necrosan> how dare you talk about karl rove like that
[04:28] <Herzen> Yeah i've got a first class ticket, but i'm as blue as a boy can bee
[04:29] <TimothyT> is http://users.vnet.net/timmywt/obits/KathrynThomasHargett.jpg viewable ?
[04:29] <Herzen> yes
[04:39] <allan5oh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd99gyE4jCk
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[04:43] <TimothyT> Katie Couric makes a real man have a orgasm
[04:43] <Herzen> A Vancouver Island NDP riding association has withdrawn parts a controversia
[04:43] <Herzen> The Socialist-Left party has gone off the deep end
[04:43] <Herzen> in the last month
[04:46] <allan5oh> yeah no kidding, then you have pat martin, the voice of reason
[04:46] <allan5oh> from winnpieg no less
[04:46] <allan5oh> the NDP cant take a stance, because the party is split
[04:47] <Herzen> I'm getting tired of their antics
[04:48] <MadScribe> i'm getting tired of the antics in politics by all the actors
[04:49] <MadScribe> if you don't do this you're that, tow the line or go to hell, blah, think
[04:51] <TimothyT> Netanyahu, who met with US Vice President Dick Cheney and a group of senat
[04:51] <Katey> Heh. That must be a FreeTrade topic. :)
[04:52] <Katey> His are always long and contain instructions
[04:53] <allan5oh> haha yeah "discuss X, but only in a certain way"
[04:58] <Herzen> Morning Katey
[05:02] <e-Hernick> auurhg
[05:02] <e-Hernick> not enough sleep
[05:02] <e-Hernick> I can barely stay awake
[05:02] <e-Hernick> woke up like a minute ago
[05:03] <e-Hernick> can't keep eyes open.. must fight..
[05:03] <Herzen> just go back to sleep weenieboi
[05:03] <Katey> good morning Herzen
[05:03] <e-Hernick> barbarians to the west... barbarians to the east... but to the north, foo
[05:04] <Herzen> Katey, hows it going?
[05:04] <e-Hernick> Herzen: impossible, I must be somewhere in an hour
[05:04] <Herzen> Two tall trees, a birch and a beech, are growing in the woods.
[05:04] <Herzen> A small tree begins to grow between them, and the beech says to the birch "I
[05:04] <Katey> fine. just running around harrassing the kids into the shower or their cloth
[05:04] <Herzen> The birch says he cannot tell. Just then a woodpecker lands on the sapling.
[05:04] <Herzen> The woodpecker takes a taste of the small tree.
[05:04] <Herzen> He replies, "It is neither a son of a beech nor a son of a birch. It is, how
[05:08] <rond1> heh
[05:08] <RustyFord> Do you agree with author Germaine Greer's description of Steve Irwin as a
[05:08] <RustyFord> Yes 11% 1240 votes
[05:08] <RustyFord> No 89% 10285 votes
[05:08] <RustyFord> Total: 11525 votes
[05:08] <Caybn> fuck them
[05:08] <Caybn> steve irwin for the win
[05:09] <Caybn> he shall be missed
[05:10] <RustyFord> i just wished editorialists and opinion coloumn writers would stuff their
[05:11] <Tv_> morning folks.
[05:11] <TimothyT> my cousin said David said Steve made a impact on his life !
[05:11] <RustyFord> why they feel it necessary to write their opinions on every subject and f
[05:11] <RustyFord> threats = throats
[05:12] <TimothyT> And also David said Steve scares the hell out of him !
[05:18] <Katey> RustyFord, it's their job though. :)
[05:18] <Katey> It's what an editorialist and opinion column writer does for a living.
[05:18] <RustyFord> WASHINGTON - People taking Oxycontin, codeine and other powerful painkill
[05:20] * stuns is now known as stuns`
[05:21] <P_O> Katey, wow, you're deep.
[05:22] <Katey> lol
[05:22] <e-Hernick> destroy all stingrays, uertczed creztoors they are.
[05:22] <RustyFord> RIGA (AFP) - As global software giant Microsoft proudly previewed its Win
[05:23] <e-Hernick> fgj
[05:23] <P_O> I think it means foul more than fowl.
[05:24] <P_O> But maybe I just think that cause I want to stab Windows Vista in the face.
[05:24] <e-Hernick> the evil beast has killed willingly, and now it lusts for more human bloo
[05:24] <P_O> Even though it'll probably give me the job security of diagnosing its problems
[05:24] <e-Hernick> I say, America should make use of its vicious tendencies.
[05:25] <P_O> e-Hernick, War on the stingrays.
[05:25] <P_O> It'd actually make a little more sense than the war in Iraq.
[05:25] <P_O> Cause we actually liked Steve Irwin.
[05:25] <e-Hernick> Let America convert giant, vicious bull-rays into land-roving creatures,
[05:26] <inco> yea but we also like oil
[05:26] <P_O> True.
[05:26] <e-Hernick> we must, fgj.
[05:28] <RustyFord> LONDON (Reuters) - Jacques Villeneuve says NASCAR is the only seri
[05:28] <RustyFord> "In open wheel racing, if you've won F1, there's nothing above it. I don'
[05:30] <RustyFord> er hmm... after winning F1, there's nothing more exciting than NASCAR!
[05:31] <Katey> was he being interviewed from a head injury clinic?
[05:32] <P_O> Anyone here know someone from Abkhazia? :P
[05:32] <P_O> Or maybe a Georgian would do.
[05:33] <e-Hernick> *image of a happy couple, preparing for love* *another couple, fishing on
[05:34] <Tv_> Iran's Leader Declares Intent To Speak at U.N. http://www.nysun.com/article/39
[05:35] <TimothyT> Iran's Leader must go to hell
[05:35] <Tv_> He is.
[05:38] * SteveIrwi http://steveirwinhappy.ytmnd.com/
[05:38] <Herzen> LOS ANGELES -- Paris Hilton was arrested early Thursday for investigation of
[05:38] <Herzen> Hilton was arrested shortly before 12:30 a.m. after being pulled over in Hol
[05:40] <RustyFord> PARIS (Reuters) - France issued an implicit criticism of U.S. foreign pol
[05:40] <RustyFord> niiiiice
[05:41] <Tv_> Right.
[05:41] <Tv_> France talks out of both sides of it's mouth.
[05:42] <Tv_> This morning DNC Chairman Howard Dean appeared on CBS’s "Face the Nation." The
[05:42] <Tv_> This morning DNC Chairman Howard Dean appeared on CBS’s "Face the Nation." The
[05:42] <Tv_> man it did not past the link
[05:43] <Tv_> sorry.. but the follow up to that is the story about ABC puttting out the movie
[05:44] <Tv_> Pres Clinton wrote a four page letter urging ABC not to run it and pointing out
[05:47] <Tv_> http://www.dnc.org/a/2006/09/dean_republican_5.php Link to Dean ranting on dnc
[05:51] <RustyFord> haha Tv i was just about to paste that
[05:52] <sintient> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006
[05:52] <RustyFord> WASHINGTON - A furious Bill Clinton is warning ABC that its mini-series "
[05:52] <sintient> Head of the 9/11 commision was on olberman saying the same thing, that it
[05:52] <sintient> Bienvenista or something...
[05:52] <RustyFord> The letter, written by Bruce Lindsey, head of the Clinton Foundation, and
[05:53] <RustyFord> hahahahahahaha
[05:53] <RustyFord> bias hahahha
[05:53] <sintient> yeah real funny
[05:53] <OcDoc> when was politics not biased?
[05:54] <OcDoc> enquiring minds want to know!
[05:54] <Libertine> "The Holy Empire of Saint Praxis is a tiny, environmentally stunning nat
[05:54] <Libertine> how/who
[05:54] <OcDoc> Warning! The characters and protrayals in this work of art are fictitious. An
[05:55] <sintient> I doubt that warning is goingg to appear.
[05:55] <P_O> Considering the title is named after a real event I don't see how they could do
[05:55] <sintient> Then I just read that the man who sold the documentary and wrote the scree
[05:55] <OcDoc> sintient: oh you do, do you?
[05:56] <sintient> I do doubt it.
[05:56] <sintient> We could bet if you like to keep it interesting.
[05:56] <sintient> Will it give the dragnet disclaimer, I say no.
[05:57] <OcDoc> I wonder what disclaimers Moore's works of art have in fine print at the end
[05:57] <RustyFord> wait wait wait, the Clinton administration denied that the plan to strike
[05:57] <Tv_> OcDoc: I could not remember his name ...
[05:57] <OcDoc> this show is based on true events, but have been modified for dramatic effect
[05:57] <Tv_> OcDoc: hehehhe
[05:57] <RustyFord> George Tenet is not in the Clinton administration?!?!?
[05:57] <Tv_> Democrats are trying to avoid this punch.
[05:58] <RustyFord> so the CIA chief runs completely independent from the president, with no
[05:58] <RustyFord> these people think we are friggin' stupid
[05:58] <Tv_> I always thought he was a Clienton appointee.
[05:58] <sintient> when you do an interview those are the real words of the real people
[05:59] <RustyFord> The reps for an outraged Clinton wrote to Iger that "no such episode ever
[05:59] <RustyFord> The 9/11 commission report echoes his denial, and found that Clinton's Ca
[05:59] <RustyFord> The third contested scene focuses on Albright, who is depicted alerting P
[05:59] <RustyFord> But the 9/11 commission reported that it was a member of the U.S. Joint C
[05:59] <RustyFord> so, again, it was someone within Clintons cabinet who alerted the Pakis
[05:59] * stuns` is now known as stuns
[06:00] <sintient> Accordinig to CNN's In the Footsteps of Bin Laden they thought they knew w
[06:00] <RustyFord> and sorry but thats HIGHLY suspect, considering that a notice like that w
[06:01] <OcDoc> oh, good ... so now all terrorists have to do is have some children nearby at
[06:01] <sintient> Spec OPS say they don't operate in any foriegn country without notifying t
[06:01] <Libertine> OcDoc: www.nationstates.net join "Pound Politics" ;)
[06:01] <sintient> Unless you want to just blast kids.
[06:02] <][Hook][> but liberals are best at reading more than is stated or written into the a
[06:02] <sintient> Hell there was public fury about soldiers getting killed on the "highway o
[06:02] <OcDoc> sintient: well, it depends on how dangerous the terrorists are who are keepin
[06:02] <][Hook][> hence their taking "liberties" with the Constitution et al
[06:02] <sintient> does it matter who the kids are?
[06:03] <OcDoc> sintient: why, no ... I guess not
[06:03] <sintient> Poor kids.
[06:03] <OcDoc> sintient: yeah, too bad the terrorists use them to hide behind ... hey, maybe
[06:03] <sintient> Yeah sucks.
[06:04] <sintient> That is why they had cia agents and spec ops there so you don't have to ma
[06:04] <OcDoc> I suppose terrorists need love too ... maybe they have their whole families w
[06:04] <][Hook][> "The western media are here... Ahmed, quick! Throw a Big-Wheel into the ru
[06:04] <sintient> OSama has like 20 kids.
[06:04] <ke6i> Yeah they've been using Osama for breeding purposes.
[06:05] <OcDoc> Hoook: but punch holes in it first so it looks realistic
[06:05] <brouhaha> brownes spoken out about blair and said he's 100% him
[06:05] <sintient> I think having a networth in the 7-8 figures and being a cult figure ads t
[06:05] <brouhaha> he's anything if not loyal but will he make a good pm?
[06:06] <sintient> Neither Berger nor Ben-Veniste was consulted on the film.
[06:07] <OcDoc> I know! put kids at ground zero of Iran's nuclear facilities ... then they wi
[06:07] <sintient> If you were truly intending to provide a non-partisan public service to t
[06:07] <sintient> Are you advocating shooting throught the hostage?
[06:07] <OcDoc> then it wouldn't be even remotely true OR entertaining
[06:08] <][Hook][> entertainment industry providing a "public service"? now you really are dr
[06:08] <][Hook][> from what I've seen of the terrorists, most of the hostages are killed any
[06:08] <][Hook][> beheaded normally
[06:09] <OcDoc> go with me on this ... how about if all the terrorists in the world gather in
[06:09] <][Hook][> you wouldn't have to shoot "through" the hostage at any rate
[06:09] <sintient> It says they based it on the 9/11 commision and they never consulted theh
[06:09] <sintient> OcDoc you are really going off on this.
[06:09] <OcDoc> ;-)
[06:10] <sintient> Maybe you shouldn't give them any ideas, they already are getting a copy o
[06:10] <compdoc> OcDoc, sounds good to me
[06:10] <][Hook][> even the nazis weren't sick enough to hide behind the jungen
[06:10] <sintient> THey just had them fight.
[06:10] <sintient> That is a lie.
[06:10] <Pickle> A "virtually untreatable" form of TB has emerged, according to the World Hea
[06:10] <Pickle> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5317624.stm
[06:10] <sintient> There was hitler's youth and they were put into combat.
[06:10] <sintient> They were the cannon fodder before the real army showed up.
[06:10] <][Hook][> kids are regularly put into combat
[06:11] <sintient> The casualty rates were huge among those division.s
[06:11] <sintient> OK.
[06:11] <compdoc> kids in africa are pretty deadly
[06:11] <sintient> ak 47s are pretty deadly.
[06:11] <][Hook][> its one thing to give a kid a gun
[06:11] <][Hook][> it's quite another to use him as a physical shield
[06:11] <][Hook][> or to hide your rocket launchers behind a day care facility
[06:12] <sintient> not really
[06:12] <][Hook][> that's inviting death and destruction down upon them
[06:12] <OcDoc> or to put up a hand written sign "Baby Milk Factory" in a bombed military fac
[06:12] <][Hook][> haha
[06:12] <][Hook][> yeah
[06:12] <sintient> forcibly conscripting cannon fodder is the same as a hostage
[06:12] <sintient> More effective maybe but just as wrong
[06:13] <OcDoc> those kids loved every minute of it, right up until the moment they faced the
[06:13] <sintient> All the dexedrine they were given.
[06:13] <sintient> All of their young friends they saw blown away. All the abuse they took fr
[06:14] <OcDoc> sintient: go back a little to the marching up and down in front of their frie
[06:14] <][Hook][> the hitler youth were as misguided as the gestapo
[06:14] <ke6i> Little boys do dream about war. They are in for a bad surprise, I think.
[06:14] <OcDoc> no doubt
[06:14] <sintient> so if you brain wash the kids first they deserve what they get
[06:14] <][Hook][> they weren't exactly "forced" to act like that... brainwashed maybe
[06:15] <][Hook][> "deserve" is a useless term
[06:15] <OcDoc> sintient: you talk about brain washing like it's some magical code phrase
[06:15] <][Hook][> they get what they get is more apropos
[06:15] <sintient> Like indoctrination isn't real
[06:15] <][Hook][> oh it's real
[06:15] <OcDoc> sintient: brainwashing is a specific technique used by the north koreans and
[06:15] <sintient> oh now only the NKs do it
[06:16] <ke6i> Or maybe NK was like a Stockholm Syndrome type deal.
[06:16] <Tv_> When is this 6 hour ABC movie to air?
[06:16] <OcDoc> there are very few documented cases of actual brainwashing in the history of
[06:16] <][Hook][> most people just go along willingly
[06:16] <][Hook][> people are sheep
[06:16] <OcDoc> the rest is simple sheeple doing what the pack is doing
[06:16] <ke6i> Baah
[06:16] <][Hook][> it helps if you think you are on the winning side
[06:17] <][Hook][> not the "right" side, mind you... but the winning side
[06:17] <sintient> http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing49.html
[06:17] <][Hook][> right or wrong doesn't matter as much as winning or losing
[06:17] <OcDoc> okay ... early meeting today ... laterz folkz
[06:17] <CometBaby> pickle you know what has created this drug resistant form of TB? It is t
[06:17] <][Hook][> omg an internet opinion piece!
[06:17] <][Hook][> what a blow!
[06:17] <][Hook][> =]
[06:17] <ke6i> NK had an edge on brainwashing because in the 30's to about the 70's Americans
[06:18] <][Hook][> the end global result of socialism is bankruptcy
[06:18] <][Hook][> heh
[06:18] <CometBaby> They start them on a one year program to get rid of it .. the bums take t
[06:19] <CometBaby> and that is how we are getting all the drug resistant strains here
[06:19] <CometBaby> hook .. lol .. you will find that sintients best referrals are some opini
[06:19] <ke6i> Nature finds a way, I suppose...
[06:19] <brouhaha> ha
[06:20] <brouhaha> jeff goldbloom over here
[06:20] <ke6i> yeah Jurassic park
[06:20] <brouhaha> :)
[06:20] <sintient> You think a kid really logically reasons he is better than someone else an
[06:20] <sintient> LOL
[06:20] <CometBaby> ask the islamists
[06:20] <][Hook][> sintient: yes, I do believe that kids can be told they are "better" and ac
[06:21] <][Hook][> sintient: happens all the time
[06:21] <sintient> That is the indocrtination.
[06:21] <][Hook][> indoctrination is not brainwashing
[06:21] <][Hook][> it's just a push in a direction
[06:21] <ke6i> People want to believe they are better. And will latch onto any evidence that
[06:21] <sintient> Brainwashing = The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such
[06:21] <sintient> repeated suggestion
[06:22] <CometBaby> sintient, when you go to all those wacko leftwing blogs .. what do you th
[06:22] <][Hook][> semantics
[06:22] <CometBaby> I guess it is okay to get indoctrination from anyone but your parents.
[06:22] <ke6i> Bush doesn't have much chance brainwashing Muslims to like the uSA. If brainw
[06:22] <sintient> Things that the wacky right wing blogs I go to ignore.
[06:22] <][Hook][> we don't ignore, we discount =]
[06:22] <P_O> Parental indoctrination is only okay if your parents don't fail at life.
[06:23] <sintient> Not really. I read tons of news every day.
[06:23] <][Hook][> indoctrination is inevitable... that's why you need to be aware of it
[06:23] <CometBaby> P_O .. good parents always want their children to be better than they are
[06:23] <P_O> CometBaby, indeed.
[06:23] <sintient> But brainwashing is defined as concentrated persuasion, I think hitler's c
[06:24] <][Hook][> but Hitler didn't put that thought in their heads
[06:24] <sintient> He never gave speeches?
[06:24] <][Hook][> they already had bad feelings against the jews
[06:24] <P_O> Brainwashing tends to imply a great concentration or effectiveness.
[06:24] <][Hook][> hell Europe still has bad feelings against the jews
[06:24] <P_O> I wouldn't call an ad campaign brainwashing unless it works, or unless it truly
[06:24] <][Hook][> he just sold them an idea
[06:24] <sintient> The defnition doesn't seem to say great, it does say repeated.
[06:24] <][Hook][> he was a very successful politician
[06:24] <sintient> sold them the idea like in an advertising campaign?
[06:24] <sintient> also part of the definition
[06:25] <][Hook][> sold them the idea that they could use his "plan" to raise themselves up
[06:25] <sintient> a specific belief or motivation
[06:25] <sintient> part of the defintiion
[06:25] <][Hook][> semantics
[06:25] <][Hook][> whose definition?
[06:25] <sintient> The defnition of the word.
[06:25] <sintient> You look it up in your favorite dictionary.
[06:26] <][Hook][> heh
[06:26] <][Hook][> and of course if it's in the dictionary, it must be gospel
[06:26] <sintient> I know you are anal retentive about the meaning of words though and are on
[06:26] <sintient> We had the same thing yesterday.
[06:26] <][Hook][> you can define anything you want
[06:26] <ke6i> Europe also hates those Gypsies. I think America, maybe never had much intera
[06:26] <sintient> I am going to just ignore you today, it will make things more fun.
[06:26] <Herzen> Morning Hook
[06:26] <][Hook][> it doesn't mean that definition has merit outside of your own sensibilitie
[06:27] <][Hook][> morgen herr H
[06:27] <ke6i> This is on of those dictionary arguements? I've stopped paying attention, I'm
[06:27] * P_O snorts cocaine on Herzen's couch.
[06:27] <][Hook][> ke6i: probably for the best
[06:27] <][Hook][> arguing semantics is tedious work
[06:28] <ke6i> I've been looking for more information on 'Buddha boy' -- but apparently he's
[06:28] <][Hook][> hahaha
[06:28] <Herzen> The most contact I've had with gypsies is seeing Kari Wurher's thong in the
[06:29] <ke6i> I think the Balkans, they really hate Gypsies.
[06:29] <sintient> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14704366/ the army chose to pay 70 million to
[06:29] <ke6i> I missed 'thinner'
[06:30] <allan5oh> http://www.whoisthemonkey.com/videos/32/hicks-vs-city-slicker-in-bmw
[06:30] <sintient> They could have equipped 200+ veehicles with anti rpg technology that was
[06:30] <compdoc> yeah, but its Israel's technology
[06:31] <sintient> israelis arcool
[06:31] <][Hook][> so is the uzi!
[06:31] <allan5oh> i thought there was already technology that was going to be put on the tan
[06:31] <sintient> wecould just trade for cluster bombs
[06:31] <allan5oh> something to do with lasers?
[06:31] <compdoc> do we use the uzi in the armed forces?
[06:31] <ke6i> I think maybe Israelis won't be so 'smartypants' about the Iraq war, now after
[06:31] <sintient> no interceptor missie
[06:31] <sintient> mmssile
[06:31] <][Hook][> compdoc: nah, it's too low caliber
[06:31] <][Hook][> only good for drive-bys
[06:31] <sintient> the lasser system THEL is develoeped by the nortrum grumman
[06:32] <sintient> northrup
[06:32] <sintient> Israel wants that thing too, we should have kept it up
[06:32] <ke6i> Is the USA still driving Humvees around Iraq then? They never went to 'more me
[06:33] <sintient> The army pals of mine said they had a system that could tell them where mo
[06:33] <sintient> there are strykers now but yeah lots of humvees still most are "up armored
[06:34] <ke6i> Might be political. Didn't want to embarrass Iraq government by using Cootie-i
[06:34] <][Hook][> haha
[06:34] <sintient> I saw the worst videos the other day, IEDs in iraq that targeting humvees
[06:34] <][Hook][> k36i: I would find it very pleasing to defeat arab terrorists with israeli
[06:34] <sintient> it was really sad
[06:34] <td-> why didnt the israelis help with the invasion in 2003
[06:34] <sintient> israelis are so much more on the frontlines of that battle I would be sure
[06:35] <sintient> We asked them not to.
[06:35] <td-> or back in 91
[06:35] <][Hook][> we don't want them to
[06:35] <sintient> They were to stay ready so they could fight lebanon and palestine duh
[06:35] <sintient> Didn't want to overextend them when they might need to take on iran and sy
[06:35] <ke6i> Israelis would be lightning rods, walking around in Iraq.
[06:36] <sintient> Praying with their scroll boxes and yamakas.
[06:36] <sintient> That would be nice to see in downtown baghdad.
[06:36] <sintient> About as nice as seening a blue eyed bonde haird army soldier there.
[06:36] <ke6i> There is some Synagogue in Baghdad, I saw a story on this. But it's hidden.
[06:36] <sintient> Man did you see the pictures of the people killed in iraq this week?
[06:36] <ke6i> I did see some youtube stuff.
[06:37] <ke6i> I'm never sure how old the youtube videos are though.
[06:37] <sintient> Just as an observation they were all white.
[06:37] <sintient> the us causalties
[06:37] <sintient> They say when they were uploadded.
[06:37] <sintient> And if you go to ogrish they actaully try to confirm the videos
[06:37] <sintient> There are some sick videos on ogrish about mujahadeen attacking algeria ar
[06:37] <sintient> But the sniper videos are the ones that are freaking me out.
[06:38] <ke6i> Yeah those Algerians been fighting insurgency since the Eisenhower days.
[06:38] <][Hook][> yamakas?
[06:38] <P_O> Algeria is always in war.
[06:38] <][Hook][> you mean yarmulkes? =P
[06:38] <ke6i> oh yeah I did see the sniper videos. Those looked pretty realistic.
[06:38] <sintient> The jubu the sniper, 9 minutes of a sniper taking out us soldiers, they lo
[06:38] <sintient> He shoots dudes with their heads sticking out of million dolar tanks and b
[06:38] <][Hook][> if you are going to disparage a race of people, please do it with correctl
[06:38] <sintient> he shoots dudes in watch towers
[06:39] <ke6i> Snipers I assume are ex-baathists? I don't think a regular guy can just take
[06:39] <sintient> A hunter could do it.
[06:39] <sintient> They aren't even moving targets.
[06:39] <sintient> He has all the time in the world to set up and line up.
[06:40] <sintient> and usually he only shoots one time so he probly as some training, not get
[06:40] <sintient> but I find it so sick that no one ever knows where the shot comes from
[06:40] <ke6i> From the videos, the guy shooting looked obviuosly far away. Because people n
[06:40] <sintient> I am sure he was in a building with the lights out shooting out a window o
[06:41] <ke6i> or maybe in the trunk of a car? Like that DC sniper?
[06:41] <sintient> the echos in a city are probly really masking of the location
[06:41] <sintient> yeah could be
[06:41] <][Hook][> why don't we use our technology in the cities instead?
[06:41] <][Hook][> infrared and such
[06:41] <sintient> There are sniper locators
[06:41] <][Hook][> can pinpoint gunfire pretty accurately
[06:42] <ke6i> Baghdad is just a huge city.
[06:42] <sintient> yeah well you look for a sniper in an apartment bulding and you see 1000s
[06:42] <][Hook][> so if you see gunfire from a building, you blow it up
[06:42] <sintient> yeah they could spend more and save lives I am sure
[06:42] <ke6i> You have a few thousand Americans crawling around a city of millions.
[06:42] <sintient> they shoot once when no one is looking
[06:42] <sintient> and then they are gone
[06:42] <][Hook][> so have 24 hour aerial infrared surveillance
[06:42] <P_O> ][Hook][, yeah that's cute, kill a few hundred innocents to get one sniper?
[06:43] <ke6i> and how long does it take to get a plane there?
[06:43] <][Hook][> you guys like to throw that word "innocents" around, don't you?
[06:43] <sintient> A plane you think they don't try to locate the enemy with planes now?
[06:43] <ke6i> Some guy takes the shot is in the car driving away.
[06:43] <ke6i> and a plane shows up 5 minutes later. It's too late.
[06:43] <sintient> They don't even have 24 surveliance of the paths they are going to take wi
[06:44] <P_O> ][Hook][, innocents/civilians whatever you like.
[06:44] <P_O> Doesn't change the meaning of my statement.
[06:44] <ke6i> maybe massive security camera system.
[06:44] <][Hook][> civilians may or may not be innocent
[06:44] <sintient> I mean if I was in iraq I would want my path to be watched at all times so
[06:44] <GregE> a drone or actual plane?
[06:44] <allan5oh> wow suncor went up a dollar in the first 15 minutes
[06:44] <][Hook][> we are fighting civilians in this war, not soldiers
[06:44] <allan5oh> crazytalk!
[06:44] <allan5oh> $800 in 15 minutes, not bad
[06:44] <allan5oh> help make up the $6000 I've lost in the past week
[06:44] <P_O> You think the insurgency is made up of Iraqi citizens?
[06:45] <][Hook][> not necessarily
[06:45] <sintient> syrian army plays a role
[06:45] <][Hook][> some may be
[06:45] <GregE> zarqaawi was a civilian? you mean we're fighting people in civilian clothing
[06:45] <sintient> 5 percent al queda they are trained paramilitaries
[06:45] <][Hook][> some may be of other nationalities
[06:45] <ke6i> Some Algerians I read.
[06:45] <P_O> Of course some are.
[06:45] <P_O> But we're not fighting the fucking civilians.
[06:45] <][Hook][> but regardless... we are not facing an "army" in the classical sense
[06:45] <sintient> ex iraqi military play a roll
[06:45] <sintient> disaffected soldiers that ere fired
[06:45] <sintient> or sunni loyalists to saddaam
[06:46] <sintient> badr army is trained by iran isn't it
[06:46] <ke6i> yeah or current Iraqi military with multiple loyalties.
[06:46] <P_O> That doesn't mean that "we are fighting civilians in this war, not soldiers"
[06:46] <][Hook][> P_O: how can you tell the difference if the enemy is embedded in, dressed
[06:46] <ke6i> SCRI -- badr militia, is Iranian, I think.
[06:46] <allan5oh> thats the problem, they can be both
[06:46] <P_O> ][Hook][, the ones shooting at you provides a hint.
[06:46] <][Hook][> we are not fighting enemy soldiers
[06:46] <P_O> But the main problem is that you usually can't.
[06:46] <][Hook][> P_O: civilians are shooting at us
[06:47] <ke6i> Moqtada, mehdi army is Iraqi Arab. Badr militia is Iranian, I think is how it
[06:47] <sintient> scri the political party with the badr organization as the ex-militia
[06:47] <sintient> wing
[06:47] <][Hook][> I have a good rule of armed combat... if somethign shoots at you, shoot ba
[06:47] <P_O> ][Hook][, just because your minor clause in your statement is mostly correct do
[06:47] <P_O> Yes we're for the most part not fighting soldiers
[06:47] <sintient> they are shias for sure sadr and badr
[06:47] <P_O> that doesn't mean we're fighting all the civilians.
[06:47] <sintient> badr are more hard core from what I read
[06:47] <sintient> they ahave more training
[06:47] <][Hook][> P_O: I didn't say all the civilians were fighting us
[06:47] <P_O> ][Hook][, the rules of armed combat were not written for urban combat.
[06:47] <][Hook][> P_O: I said none of the people we are figthing are "soldiers" in the class
[06:48] <P_O> You said we're fighting civilians.
[06:48] <sintient> well if you get shot at you can shoot back that works most places
[06:48] <ke6i> Maybe if the USA leaves, then Mehdi army and Badr militia fight each other? B
[06:48] <][Hook][> P_O: a civilian with a gun is suddenly not a civilian?
[06:48] <sintient> That is pretty accurate.
[06:48] <ke6i> I think everyone in Iraq is entitled to one AK47.
[06:48] <sintient> But badr is much bigger than sadr's movement.
[06:48] <][Hook][> P_O: last time I checked if I don a police badge and .357 I'm still not an
[06:48] <P_O> ][Hook][, the word militant was invented for a reason.
[06:49] <ke6i> but if they find a house with a big supply of guns, they assume they are part
[06:49] <sintient> Sadr's political loyalists run 3 ministries.
[06:49] <sintient> Those ministries have offical security forces.
[06:49] <][Hook][> P_O: from our perspective the outcome is the same
[06:49] <][Hook][> P_O: we are fighting "militants" that are indestinguishable from teh gener
[06:49] <sintient> Education, Health and Interior I think and transportaion maybe are all run
[06:49] <ke6i> Yeah I'm not totally clear, on how the Badr/mehdi guys get along. Are the Shi
[06:50] <P_O> ][Hook][, that doesn't mean we should kill everyone we see though.
[06:50] <][Hook][> P_O: who ever said that?
[06:50] <sintient> That means all the security for those ministries they are official armed f
[06:50] <][Hook][> P_O: we should kill everyone who shoots at us
[06:50] <][Hook][> P_O: not just kill *everyone*
[06:50] <sintient> I read sadr alone has 90k officail iraqi security forces loyal to him.
[06:50] <sintient> those are uniformed soldiers payed for by the iraqi government and loyal t
[06:50] <P_O> ][Hook][, the problem with doing that in urban combat is that then snipers will
[06:51] <P_O> and if we kill them all that doesn't do well for our reputation
[06:51] <P_O> or our ethics.
[06:51] <ke6i> I think Moqtada is still aginst Partition? Or has the Mehdi army even basical
[06:51] <sintient> sadr and badr have fought in the past but they are for a shiite iraq
[06:51] <sintient> they want an islamic revolution so fighting the US is their common goal
[06:51] <][Hook][> at any rate... because of the whining and crying over here and at the UN,
[06:52] <sintient> Badr is trying to pass law that would allow regions to become autonomous
[06:52] <P_O> ][Hook][, shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place in my book.
[06:52] <ke6i> Yeah I think Iranians want the partition, basically, so they can dominate the
[06:52] <sintient> I don't see why sadr would care to keep sunnis around when shiite territor
[06:52] <][Hook][> P_O: we were utterly justified to go back into Iraq... they broke the ceas
[06:52] <sintient> and by around I mean in the region when they could be left in oil poor cen
[06:52] <Herzen> Oh man
[06:53] <sintient> but they are still muslims they still like each other to that extent
[06:53] <Herzen> In the course I was lecturing yesterday
[06:53] <P_O> ][Hook][, just because we have a technical right to be able to do it doesn't me
[06:53] <Herzen> I was talking about the Battle of Plains of Abraham
[06:53] <][Hook][> Bush didn't need to get "approval" either
[06:53] <P_O> Could and should are two different things.
[06:53] <Herzen> and the difference between Strategy and Tactics
[06:53] <Herzen> and we got into this huge segway
[06:53] <][Hook][> because he waited for approval, he doomed the exercise
[06:53] <Herzen> and this guy was trying to claim that the U.S. got 'slaughtered' by the Comm
[06:53] <sintient> if you believe that theh cesefire was the justification then you must agre
[06:53] <Herzen> I had to smack him down
[06:53] <][Hook][> P_O: given the intel, it was plenty justified
[06:54] <][Hook][> sentient: huh?
[06:54] <sintient> the UN mandate said nothing about pccupation after compliance
[06:54] <P_O> ][Hook][, which intel is that?
[06:54] <P_O> And really, calling it justified isn't even a counter to what I'm saying.
[06:54] <sintient> once iraq is complying with the 678 and 687 resolition then 1441 is no lon
[06:54] <][Hook][> P_O: the intel that foreign terrorist groups were in Iraq training, the in
[06:54] <cyberfrg> UN resolutions are worthless
[06:55] <sintient> so why bring them up?
[06:55] <sintient> why say you are justified because of them then say they are worthless?
[06:55] <][Hook][> sentient: except for the fact that Iraq was never in compliance of a singl
[06:55] <sintient> do they have wmd now?
[06:55] <P_O> ][Hook][, and is there any proof that we stopped anything major from happening
[06:56] <][Hook][> sentient: we have found WMD there, yes... not to the level that we predict
[06:56] <P_O> And what about the scores of other nations that were involved in terrorist trai
[06:56] <allan5oh> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html
[06:56] <allan5oh> giuliani for president?
[06:56] <][Hook][> sentient: giving them nearly a year to cover up anything they were doing i
[06:56] <][Hook][> P_O: doesn't matter
[06:56] <sintient> I just asked if they have emd now?
[06:56] <sintient> wmd
[06:56] <P_O> ][Hook][, how so?
[06:56] <][Hook][> who has WMD?
[06:57] <sintient> after 4 years of occupation
[06:57] <][Hook][> Hussein is in custody
[06:57] <sintient> iraq
[06:57] <sintient> the whole reason for the invasion
[06:57] <][Hook][> Iraq no longer has a dictator
[06:57] <sintient> is done is the point of koffi annan
[06:57] <P_O> Besides us you mean? :P
[06:57] <][Hook][> so the threat of WMD is pretty much moot
[06:57] <sintient> he says that the mandate that the us had to remove saddaam is over and tha
[06:57] <sintient> so the un mandate is over
[06:57] <][Hook][> sentient: he can say whatever he wants
[06:57] <sintient> that is the point
[06:58] <sintient> he can and he bases it on UN law
[06:58] <][Hook][> UN law
[06:58] <][Hook][> hahahahaha
[06:58] <][Hook][> what in God's name is that supposed to be?
[06:58] <sintient> so don't tell me you care about the legality then laugh off the UN law
[06:58] <sintient> the resolutions?
[06:58] <][Hook][> the UN has no "law"
[06:58] <P_O> ][Hook][, our constitutional obligation to the UN?
[06:58] <sintient> you forget when it is conveincenet
[06:58] <][Hook][> they have international agreements
[06:58] <sintient> it is international law
[06:58] <Herzen> Why are we taking moral queues from an organization which is atleast 2/3rds
[06:58] <Herzen> UN is pretty fucked.
[06:58] <][Hook][> we don't have a constitutional oblication to the UN
[06:59] <sintient> go look up the definition of law before you embarrass yourself again
[06:59] <][Hook][> our constitution was not written with a world government in mind
[06:59] <P_O> Yes we do.
[06:59] <][Hook][> international law has no teeth
[06:59] <Herzen> U.S. signed and ratified the UN constitution
[06:59] <][Hook][> it's agreements
[06:59] <Herzen> which means its 'bound to it'
[06:59] <P_O> Treaties are considered the law of the land.
[06:59] <][Hook][> if we agree, we are bound
[06:59] <Herzen> but in practicality it means nothing
[06:59] <sintient> so you don't care about the legality because it can't be enforced against
[06:59] <][Hook][> I don't care about the issue of "legality" because it's a red herring wher
[07:00] <sintient> now hook is not goiing to get attacked for selectively citing history but
[07:00] <][Hook][> we didn't invade Iraq in the name of the UN
[07:00] <P_O> Herzen, true, but still, treaties are on the same level as the constitution acc
[07:00] <][Hook][> we invaded in our own interest
[07:00] <sintient> you just said it was justified but you don't care if it was legal just but
[07:00] <][Hook][> there is nothing "legal" or "illegal" about it
[07:00] <P_O> Yeah, it's our interest to spend billions to make a mess in another country ins
[07:01] <sintient> that is argueable
[07:01] <][Hook][> we as a soverign nation can and will enter into military action with or wi
[07:01] <sintient> there is the UN and there is the norumburg conventions
[07:01] <hakan> hi every body
[07:01] <P_O> hi dr. nick
[07:01] <hakan> where is here?
[07:01] <P_O> Here is there.
[07:01] <][Hook][> P_O: I'm not arguing the success or failure of our mission in Iraq... that
[07:02] <hakan> which country poeople
[07:02] <sintient> you don't know much about the UN or international law I don't feel like go
[07:02] <P_O> ][Hook][, you are, however, arguing about our interests in going there. So how
[07:02] <][Hook][> P_O: I'm arguing the absurd proposition that our military action in Iraq i
[07:02] <][Hook][> I know plenty about international law
[07:02] <hakan> war is no good
[07:03] <P_O> You apparently didn't know enough about international law to know it applies to
[07:03] <P_O> That's a pretty glaring hole in your knowledge.
[07:03] <][Hook][> it applies to the US because of our agreements
[07:03] <][Hook][> not because of our Constitution
[07:03] <P_O> Are you seriously going to make me quote it to you?
[07:03] <hakan> ým in turkey we dont see hot
[07:03] <][Hook][> the US has not signed Kyoto, so we are not bound to it
[07:04] <][Hook][> if the US signs a treaty or agreement, we are bound to it
[07:04] <][Hook][> if we have not, we are not
[07:04] <][Hook][> same for any country
[07:04] <][Hook][> international law is not "law" in a criminal sense
[07:05] <cyberfrg> there are thousands of treatys and conventions and sanctions that countrie
[07:05] <][Hook][> considering I probably have shoes older than you sentient... I'll take tha
[07:07] <P_O> "This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pu
[07:07] <][Hook][> P_O: what treaty have we broken with Iraq? or with the UN?
[07:08] <][Hook][> and I never argued that we weren't bound by treaties
[07:08] <P_O> I'm not saying we have, I'm saying you're wrong about us not being bound to tre
[07:08] <cyberfrg> what i find most humorous is the fact that if and when the constituion of
[07:08] <][Hook][> huh?
[07:08] <P_O> You said we weren't bound to them via the constitution and we are.
[07:08] <][Hook][> we are bound to them via the agreement
[07:08] <][Hook][> the constitution holds us to our word as a country
[07:09] <][Hook][> meaning that no agent nor citizen of the US can break a treaty or agreemen
[07:09] <][Hook][> umm... duh!
[07:09] <P_O> ][Hook][ it applies to the US because of our agreements
[07:09] <P_O> ][Hook][ not because of our Constitution
[07:09] <][Hook][> we are not bound by the Constitution... we are bound by the agreements we
[07:10] <][Hook][> the constitution just reiterates that we are bound to stand by our interna
[07:10] <P_O> Bah, whatever, this is breaking down into a symantical argument that doesn't ha
[07:10] <][Hook][> it never had meaning
[07:11] <][Hook][> I got pulled into a silly semantic side argument again =]
[07:11] <][Hook][> our operation in Iraq is in no way "illegal"
[07:11] <][Hook][> not nationally, not internationally
[07:11] <cyberfrg> it's unpopular therefor people want to come up with reasons why we shouldn
[07:11] <cyberfrg> none of them are really legit
[07:12] <P_O> I think a few of them are legit.
[07:12] <][Hook][> anyone who uses that term is engaged in abject propagandism
[07:12] <P_O> I don't really care about the legal ones though.
[07:13] <P_O> I just don't think we had enough reason to warrant going into Iraq at the parti
[07:14] <cyberfrg> yea, well it wasn't your decision to make. why talk about it then?
[07:14] <GregE> yea, you'll bring democracy to iraq ... you do realize a good % of them are i
[07:14] <P_O> cyberfrg, cause I'm in a politics chat room?
[07:15] <][Hook][> democracy won't fly as long as the middle east contains theocracies
[07:15] <][Hook][> they don't mix well
[07:15] <cyberfrg> P_O: idling is the name of the game
[07:15] <cyberfrg> and the occasional troll
[07:15] <P_O> cyberfrg, if we couldn't talk about anything that we weren't involved in direct
[07:15] <][Hook][> do you need a point?
[07:15] <][Hook][> =]
[07:15] <][Hook][> I don't!
[07:16] <P_O> I don't need a point my self.
[07:16] <P_O> But this channel does :P
[07:16] <P_O> Either that or it needs a name change.
[07:16] <cyberfrg> i'm here to understand politics not to complain about how irrelevent my op
[07:16] <cyberfrg> so far i've been dissapointed in the content heh
[07:16] * occ_ is now known as occ
[07:17] <P_O> Meh, I already know my opinion is irrelevant, not really complaining about that
[07:17] <][Hook][> hehe
[07:17] <][Hook][> #politics is a debate forum
[07:17] <][Hook][> if you like to argue, welcome
[07:17] <][Hook][> =]
[07:17] <P_O> With debate in quotation marks.
[07:17] <][Hook][> well yes
[07:17] <][Hook][> there isn't any moderation
[07:18] <P_O> And people can't seem to moderate themselves either.
[07:18] <CometBaby> speaking of trolls :)
[07:18] <CometBaby> lol
[07:18] <TomM--> me??? lol
[07:18] <P_O> It's all of the silliness of an informal debate and all the bullshit of a forma
[07:18] <CometBaby> right on que :)
[07:18] <][Hook][> cue! cue!
[07:18] <cyberfrg> "there isn't any moderation"
[07:19] <cyberfrg> you're kidding right?
[07:19] <cyberfrg> hehe
[07:19] <P_O> Que? Que?
[07:19] <][Hook][> que pasa?
[07:19] <cyberfrg> no se
[07:19] <][Hook][> me gusta!
[07:19] <CometBaby> lol
[07:19] <TomM--> help me out here...what am I sposed to troll about this morning?
[07:19] <P_O> French/Spanish Hip Hop is funny when they go "What? What?"
[07:19] <cyberfrg> TomM--: probably something about bush being an idiot
[07:20] <CometBaby> Did you guys hear about cindy sheehan's latest? That kuku bird is going
[07:20] <TomM--> cy...u have never heard me say that....never!
[07:20] <TheTailor> TomM--, Bush's speech of course, sheesh
[07:20] <TheTailor> TomM-- is losing it
[07:20] <cyberfrg> CometBaby: sounds good to me
[07:20] <CometBaby> lol
[07:21] <TomM--> actually I thought he finally made some sense....could have done without the
[07:21] <TheTailor> CometBaby, well she's going back to the place of her hatching.
[07:21] <CometBaby> lol
[07:21] <P_O> Ouch.
[07:23] <TomM--> so how is her Highness this morning? In a good mood I hope....:)
[07:23] <pilgrim`> I turned on the TV this morning to catch the weather, I turned channels a
[07:24] <pilgrim`> Problem with TV news is that the news person themselves become personaliti
[07:25] <pilgrim`> gee... which story today will boost my ratings and therefore my pay? not
[07:26] <pilgrim`> that was why I welcomed the Web. FINALLY I have a REAL choice and it usua
[07:26] <CometBaby> Tom .. lucky for you I just had my coffee :)
[07:26] <TomM--> pilgrim...course we are not biased here....:)
[07:27] <TomM--> Comet...phew....:)
[07:27] <CometBaby> pilgrim I just got my pkg of chili I ordered from Hatch this morning :)
[07:27] <_3Josephs> used chili? ;-)
[07:27] <CometBaby> my husband was looking at the bags of chili and he saw one that said Haba
[07:27] <CometBaby> lol
[07:28] <_3Josephs> big oil news coming in 2 minutes :-)
[07:28] <GregE> _3Josephs what you mean big oil news?
[07:28] <TomM--> Comet..just curious...does your hubby share your political views?
[07:28] <_3Josephs> GregE, weekly inv. data :-)
[07:28] <CometBaby> yes .. but quietly :)
[07:29] <TomM--> CometBaby I bet!!! lol
[07:29] <CometBaby> haha
[07:29] <TheTailor> Who is Hatch/
[07:29] <TheTailor> ?
[07:29] <CometBaby> Hatch NM
[07:29] <CometBaby> thats where the best chili in the world comes from :)
[07:29] <pilgrim`> Comet indeed
[07:29] <][Hook][> oh I'm biased as hell
[07:29] <TomM--> Chili makes me....well u really dont wanna know! :)
[07:29] <_3Josephs> hehe, I thought it was from the Survivor Prison guy
[07:29] <TheTailor> Chili, or chilies?
[07:29] <][Hook][> =]
[07:29] <pilgrim`> I've been there
[07:29] <TheTailor> You talking about the finished dish?
[07:30] <CometBaby> pil .. me too
[07:30] <pilgrim`> chile Tailor
[07:30] <CometBaby> the red chili comes from chimayo .. the green from hatch
[07:30] <pilgrim`> best GREEN chile btw
[07:30] <][Hook][> hatch chilies are great
[07:30] <pilgrim`> red: Chimyo
[07:30] <][Hook][> such great flavor
[07:30] <pilgrim`> or anywhere up the High road to Taos
[07:30] <CometBaby> yes its the best chili in the world :)
[07:30] <][Hook][> poblanos are still good =]
[07:30] <_3Josephs> * Economic News Flash: Oil Inv. - down 2.2m
[07:30] <][Hook][> but not as good
[07:30] <pilgrim`> it is also addictive
[07:30] * TheTailor is still confused
[07:31] <GregE> YEA!!!!
[07:31] <GregE> oil gonna shoot up!
[07:31] <pilgrim`> seriously
[07:31] <CometBaby> pilgrim yes it is .. I call it "getting my chili fix"
[07:31] <pilgrim`> it really is addictive and I know why
[07:31] <TheTailor> Raw or roasted chili peppers ya mean?
[07:31] <][Hook][> roasted
[07:31] <TheTailor> dried?
[07:31] <CometBaby> dried
[07:31] <CometBaby> these are dried
[07:31] <][Hook][> roasted and skinned
[07:31] <][Hook][> mmmmm
[07:31] <_3Josephs> * Economic News Flash: Gas Inv. Inv. - up! 700k
[07:31] <CometBaby> you can also order the green chili .. it comes frozen
[07:31] <TomM--> my wife loves that chit....cant be hot enough for her...thats why shes evil
[07:31] <][Hook][> CometBaby: do they stay green when dried?
[07:31] <TheTailor> ok, but bot the finished chili as in with meats and stewed, right?
[07:31] <pilgrim`> the capsicum is interpreted as a need for endorphins by the bod and we gen
[07:32] <][Hook][> CometBaby: or do they turn like ancho?
[07:32] <TheTailor> ok
[07:32] <GregE> I hear green chili is the most addictive
[07:32] <pilgrim`> yes it is
[07:32] <TheTailor> Where do you get them?
[07:32] <_3Josephs> green chili tea
[07:32] <pilgrim`> there is a company in Albuquerque that ships frozen
[07:32] <TheTailor> To me habanero is the addicting one, it's like cocaine.
[07:32] <TheTailor> DO NOT SNORT IT
[07:32] <][Hook][> habanero do taste good too
[07:33] <TomM--> TheTailor u an expert on cocaine are ya? :)
[07:33] <pilgrim`> Tailor if you ever taste Hatch Green CHile...you would know why...it is no
[07:33] <][Hook][> they aren't all that hot anyway
[07:33] <TheTailor> TomM--, I lived in Florida in the 70's, so probably :-)
[07:33] <TomM--> lol
[07:33] <][Hook][> pilgrim`: we made some hatch chile shrimp last weekend
[07:33] <_3Josephs> crude down 1/3 of % in the last 3 minutes
[07:33] <GregE> can I cook it up in a spoon and shoot it up?
[07:34] <pilgrim`> check this pic http://www.nmchili.com/
[07:34] <GregE> dollar gained a cent off the euro right now
[07:34] <][Hook][> pilgrim`: well, seasoned grilled shrimp and a hatch chili cream for dippin
[07:34] <pilgrim`> I am a NM native transplanted to the Pacific NW
[07:34] <CometBaby> hoook .. whoa
[07:34] <CometBaby> that sounds awesome
[07:34] <][Hook][> yeah, it was pretty good
[07:34] <][Hook][> experiment =]
[07:34] <pilgrim`> I remember fall in NM, a chile roaster on every 2nd corner
[07:34] <GregE> man and I wanted $100 a barrel oil
[07:35] <ChartPro> i want corned beef hash and scrambled eggs
[07:35] <][Hook][> lol... haven't had corned beef hash in ages
[07:35] <pilgrim`> the chile roaster is a rolling steel cage with a fire under it
[07:35] <GregE> I just had 3 scrambled eggs
[07:36] <pilgrim`> I want huevos rancheros
[07:36] <][Hook][> I had 2 tacos
[07:36] <][Hook][> huevos con chorizo
[07:36] <][Hook][> =P
[07:36] <TomM--> I gotta go play golf....but I must ruin Comets morning.....I will not die un
[07:36] <pilgrim`> with pork chile stew
[07:36] <pilgrim`> Tom HAS lost it ;)
[07:36] <TomM--> hopefully hes sober.....
[07:36] <][Hook][> oh, we also made some brisket chili and added the hatch to it
[07:36] <][Hook][> but it wasn't as good as I'd hoped
[07:37] <][Hook][> they got lost in it
[07:37] <][Hook][> ancho are better in chili
[07:37] <CometBaby> get this hook .. when we played cards with friends last time .. I made so
[07:37] <pilgrim`> Hook I get a dose yearly when my bro ships some, but mostly I suffer
[07:37] <CometBaby> they were gone in 60 seconds.
[07:37] <Lupine|> man, what a thunder storm we had last night
[07:37] <][Hook][> hehe
[07:37] <Lupine|> CB: gone where? run for the bathroom? O:-D
[07:37] <pilgrim`> Lupien Thor is angry
[07:37] <][Hook][> last time I made chili with barbacoa instead of brisket and my wife got ma
[07:37] <CometBaby> wolfy .. lol
[07:38] <][Hook][> she doesn't like the cow face!
[07:38] <CometBaby> and the chili was hot
[07:38] <Lupine|> pilgrim: naw.. Loki stole his hammer
[07:38] <pilgrim`> Mjolnir
[07:38] <pilgrim`> now, how many know THAT off the top? :)
[07:39] <Lupine|> pil: actually I do.. because I love having it in Shadows of Ahm
[07:39] <pilgrim`> Mjolnir is important for striking Yormingander on the head during Ragnarok
[07:39] <Lupine|> gives you 25strength
[07:39] <pilgrim`> Lupine I do becasue I spent a short time attempting to learn Norse and ha
[07:40] <pilgrim`> I failed, but rememebr a few
[07:40] <pilgrim`> I know my Futhark though (Norse for "alphabet" as in Runes
[07:40] <td-> hasmi had flown to los angeles
[07:40] <pilgrim`> trolling for babes?
[07:41] <td-> bush is talking about hasmi and meedar
[07:42] <sintient> http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
[07:43] <Lupine|> pilgrim: the viking's blood has been squandered, like that of Numenor
[07:44] <pilgrim`> this is well written http://www.shipwright.com/horsemen.html
[07:44] <sintient> Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam.s role in 9/11, most don.t
[07:45] <sintient> troops in iraq
[07:45] <Lupine|> IOW: 90% of americans are ignorant fools?
[07:45] <pilgrim`> Lupine in Iceland it is still pure...though watered down considerably with
[07:46] <pilgrim`> I thought it was retaliation for the attack on the Maine in Havana harbor
[07:46] <td-> anyone watching this bush speech
[07:46] <sintient> 43 percent of americans and 90 percent of soldiers in iraq I think is the
[07:46] <td-> its hilarious
[07:46] <sintient> I am watching it.
[07:46] <sintient> Whatever happend to telepromtpers?
[07:46] <td-> they just throw stupidity to the wind now
[07:46] <sintient> Why does he have to be looking down 85 percent of the time/
[07:47] <sintient> Can someone draw up and hold cue cards anymore?
[07:47] <pilgrim`> sintient you are a funny guy
[07:47] <sintient> Converstaional reading...
[07:48] <sintient> I read today that most of the 14 high level detainees were caught during i
[07:48] <tweek> the other 50% think that Bush is personally responsible?
[07:48] <DarthBurg> like it matters, Bush could give a perfect speech, and sintient would bit
[07:48] <sintient> Of course it is staged it is a speech.
[07:49] <CometBaby> sintient why do you have to be so childish .. coming up this this stuff?
[07:49] <sintient> On his terms.
[07:49] <sintient> I didn't make it up.
[07:49] <CometBaby> sintient devoiced for lameness
[07:49] <DarthBurg> the defense rests
[07:49] <DarthBurg> CometBaby Thank You Doll, the tip is in the mail
[07:49] <tweek> musta missed something
[07:50] <CometBaby> well I don't like to devoice him .. but he won't listen. I asked him to
[07:50] * Lupine| hands cometbaby a foot cusion.. here, put your feet up and take a rest :-)
[07:50] <DarthBurg> CometBaby its no loss, I'll vouch for ya
[07:52] <Lupine|> lol
[07:52] <tweek> ... Goddamn
[07:52] <DarthBurg> ?
[07:52] <Lupine|> tweek: what do you wish me to damn?
[07:53] <DarthBurg> http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/09-07-06.jpg
[07:53] <tweek> ... didn't I hear this exact fucking speech a few years ago?
[07:54] <tweek> except he wasn't trying not to yell while giving it?
[07:54] <JanetB> he is not yelling now
[07:54] <DarthBurg> tweek, you should have listened the first time
[07:54] <tweek> ... that's what I said.
[07:54] <tweek> DarthBurg: I did
[07:54] <DarthBurg> tweek, if you had, Bush would not have to repeat himself, this is all you
[07:55] <JanetB> it is a new place, he will be giving this speech for a few times
[07:55] <tweek> good point
[07:56] <JanetB> I heard parts of it yesterday.. but they are showing the entire speech today
[07:56] <JanetB> so I am happy to see and hear it now :)
[07:56] <tweek> nah this is live I think
[07:56] <JanetB> yes.. but he gave it for the first time yestersay, at another location
[07:56] <JanetB> yesterday
[07:57] <DarthBurg> Lupine| you see this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/n
[07:57] <Lupine|> Anyone know? In C++, how do you put certain characters into an array. For
[07:57] <tweek> that's hawt
[07:57] <tweek> Lupine|: zomgnub
[07:58] <Lupine|> darth: oh damn!!!
[07:58] <tweek> \"
[07:58] <DarthBurg> its a recreation, as the originals were torched after the war, but still
[07:58] <tweek> learn2c, kthx.
[07:59] <_3Josephs> Lupine|, try adding a \ before the character
[07:59] <tweek> that's what I just said
[07:59] <_3Josephs> nevermind ;-)
[07:59] <tweek> C > *
[07:59] <Lupine|> Danke.. i got 5 messages in 5 seconds :-)
[07:59] <Lupine|> knew it was damn simple, just forgot it
[08:01] <DarthBurg> John Bolton, President Bush's pick as U.N. ambassador, is expected to win
[08:05] <DarthBurg> Neoconservative ideas to transform the U.S. into a "dominant force" do no
[08:06] <DarthBurg> http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/conspiracy_theory/fullstory.asp?id=331
[08:06] <DarthBurg> what a piece that is
[08:06] <DarthBurg> tweek. its right up your alley
[08:07] <RustyFord> Go Bush! Go!
[08:08] <DarthBurg> With their political prospects flying high, Democrats are turning their a
[08:09] <DarthBurg> Bridgeport, Conn. -- The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted
[08:09] <JanetB> moowell if the deep pockets helped them in 04.. I hope they help like that a
[08:09] <tweek> the fuck is this shit
[08:09] <DarthBurg> which shit?
[08:09] <DarthBurg> carlyle group or the polling outfit making shit up
[08:10] <JanetB> I think that was a very good speech!
[08:10] <tweek> he seems kinda tense tbh
[08:10] <JanetB> it was a good speech!
[08:11] <JanetB> come on
[08:14] <DarthBurg> After U.S. President George W. Bush admitted the existence of secret CIA
[08:14] <DarthBurg> if Europe is against it, lets do it
[08:16] <JanetB> I still can not blieve they are allowing the president of the UN in the USA
[08:16] <tweek> didn't half of #politics deny those existed?
[08:17] <DarthBurg> tweek, I most certainly never.
[08:18] <TheTailor> I don't remember anything about secret "prisons", people may be being hel
[08:18] <DarthBurg> any logical person would know such things are necessary, especially since
[08:19] <TheTailor> I don't think half the country thinks WE are the problem, I think the far
[08:19] <TheTailor> Like "90% of Americans thikn we went to warr in Iraq because Saddam was i
[08:19] <DarthBurg> bah, election results, not media polls
[08:20] <TheTailor> That's utter horseshit, the far left repeats it over and over thinking Am
[08:20] <tweek> he said '90% of soldiers', a harder result to Google up or remember.
[08:20] <TheTailor> tweek, that's also horseshit, soldiers don't think that.
[08:20] <tweek> ... that's what I was implying.
[08:21] <tweek> if it can't be verified on the spot mentally, it will likely stick.
[08:21] <TheTailor> I had a 1SG here yesterday, he said it's a global fight against Islamic m
[08:21] <TheTailor> Which of course, it is.
[08:22] <TheTailor> tweek, no, it doesn't "likely stick", the let looses elections because th
[08:22] <DarthBurg> House Republicans will make a final push to get border-security legislati
[08:22] <DarthBurg> looks like the house republicans want to keep their jobs, unlike Frist an
[08:26] <DarthBurg> BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States on Thursday handed over formal comm
[08:26] <DarthBurg> Hours before the handover, 14 people were killed in a spate of bomb blast
[08:27] <DarthBurg> A furious Bill Clinton is warning ABC that its mini-series ''The Path to
[08:27] <DarthBurg> bwahahahaha
[08:27] <DarthBurg> Stuff it Billy
[08:28] <DarthBurg> i wonder if the ABC miniseries will mention Frank Toricelli
[08:28] <TheTailor> hahaha
[08:28] <TheTailor> ABC putting the screws to Clinton, I love it.
[08:29] <DarthBurg> it is classic
[08:29] <DarthBurg> and I love how donks respond to bad media.
[08:29] <DarthBurg> hehehe
[08:29] <tweek> teh Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy is not amused I take it
[08:29] <tweek> ... oh, wait, of which ABC is a part. guess it's all bullshit
[08:29] <DarthBurg> Republicans are so used to bad shit being printed about them, its nothing
[08:30] <DarthBurg> tweek well, anything done with any accuracy to it is not going to favorab
[08:30] <DarthBurg> over terror.
[08:30] <DarthBurg> ABC is also well known to play both sides of the fence, ABC for instance,
[08:31] <tweek> so what you're saying is, although it can still be accurate, it can be slante
[08:31] <L0c0> THE REAL NEWS: Celebrity Paris Hilton was arrested and charged with driving un
[08:31] <L0c0> haha
[08:31] <tweek> L0c0: who cares
[08:31] <L0c0> KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- NATO's top commander on Thursday urged allied natio
[08:31] <L0c0> Taliban militants are inflicting heavy casualties on foreign forces there and
[08:32] <DarthBurg> tweek, to ignore the well documented and clearly obvious left wing bias o
[08:32] <DarthBurg> or
[08:32] <L0c0> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/southern.women.ap/index.html
[08:32] <DarthBurg> perhaps you have not seen the Media's ratings lately, and the minor fact
[08:33] <tweek> 'as far as the ABC Documentary thing goes, even a broken clock is right twice
[08:33] <DarthBurg> Valeria Plame is one example of a fair and balanced media, the Iraqi invo
[08:33] <tweek> couldn't have tore this bullshit a new asshole better myself.
[08:33] <panini> L0c0, did she call the arresting officer "sugar tits" ?
[08:34] <TheTailor> I wonder what the "heavy losses" were.
[08:34] <panini> or "sugar dick"?
[08:34] <DarthBurg> I have not seen the ABC miniseries, so i have no idea if its accurate or
[08:34] <panini> if it blames clinton, it's accurate
[08:34] <DarthBurg> I do no know, if ABC sticks to the facts, the Clinton Admin will not be a
[08:35] <DarthBurg> its funny
[08:35] <panini> i love how they are trying to censor it
[08:35] <DarthBurg> Republicans can not get over Clinton, yet ABC does a miniseries on 911, a
[08:35] <tweek> the fuck is he going to do?
[08:35] <panini> "what freedom of speech"??
[08:35] <tweek> write nasty letters and pass resolutions against the miniseries?
[08:36] <tweek> ... fuck, wish I could remember the whole quote
[08:36] <td-> The handover gives Maliki operational control of Iraq's fledgling air force and
[08:36] <td-> lol
[08:36] <td-> lol
[08:36] <Herzen> TheTailor, 4 Canadian soldiers died (in a battle that killed 200+ terrorists
[08:36] <td-> pure PR stunt
[08:36] <DarthBurg> I am sure that the media will do its best to protect the CLinton admin fr
[08:37] <L0c0> panini: hahaha
[08:37] <Herzen> TheTailor, The leftwing in Canada is outraged that Canadian soldiers are fig
[08:37] <L0c0> Panini: maybe if she'd been all anti-semetic and stuff she could have gotten o
[08:37] <L0c0> Panini: maybe if she'd shown off *HER* sugar tits she could have been let go
[08:37] <L0c0> haha
[08:37] <L0c0> not like nobody's seen them
[08:37] <TheTailor> Herzen, I heard that, but what are the "heavy" casualties? Is it a Canad
[08:37] <tweek> somehow I don't think Gibson was let off with a warning
[08:38] <tweek> but again, who cares.
[08:38] <L0c0> oh man you guys wanna read something funny?!
[08:38] <Herzen> TheTailor, There aren't any heavy casualties
[08:38] <L0c0> BP execs face grilling from lawmakers: U.S. executive Malone set to appear be
[08:38] <Herzen> I don't know where hes getting that from
[08:38] <TheTailor> The Canadians have 30 troops against 2500 Taliban and are kicking the shi
[08:38] <L0c0> LOL...right...like a politician is REALLY gonna do anything to hurt those that
[08:38] <L0c0> both sides get oil money
[08:39] <DarthBurg> oil is a neccesity
[08:39] <Herzen> TheTailor, We've lost more troops to accidents and friendly fire then to ene
[08:39] <Herzen> TheTailor, We've lost 30 soldiers out of 3000 in 5 years
[08:39] <Herzen> TheTailor, This "heavy casualties" is bullshit
[08:39] <L0c0> the canadians are fighting them by slapping explosives-filled hockey pucks at
[08:39] <L0c0> woot!
[08:39] <DarthBurg> hell, elected DOnkey senators own stock in oil co's, ain't nothing but a
[08:39] <OldSchool> 30 out of 3000 is 1 out of 100
[08:39] <DarthBurg> but remember, its the Evil republicans who love oil.
[08:40] <Herzen> 1 out of 100 is incredibly low
[08:40] <Herzen> over 5 years
[08:40] <L0c0> DarthBurg: [09:38] <L0c0> both sides get oil money
[08:40] <DarthBurg> yet its only OK for DOnks to actually own their stock.
[08:40] <DarthBurg> you seem to miss that point
[08:40] <L0c0> says who?
[08:40] <L0c0> you?
[08:40] <L0c0> not me
[08:40] <td-> this is funny about this "handing over" of power to the iraqis, you look closel
[08:40] <td-> lol
[08:41] <DarthBurg> says reality. do you know of any republicans who own stock in Oil Co's c
[08:41] <L0c0> td-: window dressing
[08:41] <TheTailor> Herzen, did you see the pictures of the soldiers carring the casket, with
[08:41] <td-> but they have this big ceremony and everything to try and boost bush by making
[08:41] <L0c0> DarthBurg: ok...i'm not arguing the point...get over it
[08:42] <Herzen> TheTailor, that seems to be all I get on my media, I never see any stories a
[08:42] <DarthBurg> L0c0 thats because you can not, its a loser for you, and you do not want
[08:42] <DarthBurg> typical Left Wing double standards and hypocracy
[08:42] <L0c0> Herzen: that's media in general, i don't care if its cnn or foxnews...they go
[08:42] <L0c0> Herzen: they'll have 28minutes of bombs and blood and gore...and a 2minute pie
[08:42] <L0c0> DarthBurg: i wasn't even going in the direction...
[08:43] <DarthBurg> I know, because you do not DARE
[08:43] <TheTailor> td-, in the military everything is s ceremony, changeing units ALWAYS has
[08:43] <L0c0> DarthBurg: you're the one that brought the parties specificially...i made a ge
[08:43] <TheTailor> It's a matter of disipline.
[08:44] <DarthBurg> L0c0 ayup
[08:44] <td-> TheTailor: yes.. Maliki now has control of 1 or 2 planes
[08:44] <td-> its amazing
[08:44] <td-> and does iraq have a navy
[08:44] <td-> maybe a couple speedboats with guns
[08:44] <TheTailor> td-, that's irrelevant.
[08:44] <TheTailor> And moot.
[08:44] <DarthBurg> they have to downplay the handoff, its not like they have anything else t
[08:44] <td-> then dont pretend that "command" is being handed over
[08:45] <TheTailor> You are trying to cover the fact that when it comes to the military, you
[08:45] <L0c0> of course, when a new commander comes onto a base or something, it's not blast
[08:45] <TheTailor> td-, fact is when commanders change, there is always a ceremony.
[08:45] <td-> dude this a big step towards bringing the troops home
[08:45] <DarthBurg> L0c0 and that is a completely irrelevant point, as the FIRST GUY got a ce
[08:45] <td-> the iraqis controlling their own navy and airforce is exciting
[08:46] <L0c0> the first guy got a ceremony?
[08:46] <TheTailor> New commanders in units at home aren't international issues.
[08:46] <td-> its a proud moment
[08:46] <DarthBurg> L0c0 yes, the first time we stood up an army the guy got a ceremony. you
[08:46] <DarthBurg> L0c0 are you really that fucking stupid, or do you work at it?
[08:47] <TheTailor> The ARMY, the ground forces are the core of any country's defense.
[08:47] <TheTailor> Specifically the infantry.
[08:47] <L0c0> td-: do you know how much coastline Iraq has?
[08:47] <td-> oh they got tons
[08:47] <L0c0> DarthBurg: how or why would I deny it?
[08:47] <TheTailor> Iraq's coast is what, 30 miles?
[08:47] <TheTailor> 100?
[08:47] <L0c0> DarthBurg: I know the military, I grew up military....there's a ceremony for e
[08:47] <L0c0> 36miles
[08:47] <L0c0> woot
[08:47] <DarthBurg> L0c0 see? again you feign ignorance and totally back away from the shit
[08:48] <L0c0> DarthBurg: what did I say?
[08:48] <DarthBurg> hahahahaha
[08:48] <DarthBurg> now I have to remind him
[08:48] <L0c0> dunno what you're ranting and raving about
[08:48] <L0c0> thetailor handled what i said much better
[08:48] <L0c0> he had an appropriate responce
[08:48] <L0c0> dunno what you're going on about
[08:48] <DarthBurg> L0c0, so you do know.
[08:48] <DarthBurg> such a fucking hypocrit
[08:48] <DarthBurg> hahahahahah
[08:49] <DarthBurg> "I don;t know, bu tailor handled it better" bwahahahahahahaha
[08:49] <DarthBurg> hahahahahahahah
[08:49] <Fretless> iraq has 58 km of coastline thus something like 34 - 35miles
[08:49] <L0c0> what was the "irrelevaent point" you referred to
[08:49] <DarthBurg> fucking loser, can not even keep your own bullshit straight.
[08:49] <L0c0> or did you mean that for td-?
[08:49] <DarthBurg> no no, i used your name, specifically.
[08:49] <L0c0> Fretless: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=58+km+in+m
[08:50] <L0c0> 58 kilometers = 36.0395291 miles
[08:50] <TheTailor> DarthBurg, umm, I think the issue was brought up because it's internation
[08:50] <td-> iraq has 5 of these apparently http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ira
[08:50] <Fretless> i apporximated the miles
[08:50] <DarthBurg> TheTailor his point about our army not getting ceremonies was a complete
[08:50] <td-> and 2 of these http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/al-uboo
[08:50] <TheTailor> DarthBurg, but that is also a false thought, it's happeneing now because
[08:51] <TheTailor> DarthBurg, well true that.
[08:51] <DarthBurg> I, for one, try to avoid getting lost in my hatred for Donkeys. luckily,
[08:52] <TheTailor> td-, so what's your point, that boat can't fight?
[08:52] <td-> this is the brunt of the iraqi air force now
[08:52] <td-> http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/images/iraqi-af_seeker_recon-
[08:52] <td-> they got 2 of those
[08:53] <DarthBurg> I like Iraq's policy for terrorists.
[08:53] <td-> and 8 of these http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/ch2000.htm
[08:53] <TheTailor> td-, why does Iraq need an air force?
[08:54] <TheTailor> Someone is going to attack by air?
[08:54] <td-> well, command for it was handed over to the PM, and its a big step
[08:54] <td-> so it must be important
[08:54] <DarthBurg> we will see
[08:56] <TheTailor> td-, yeah well as they sell more oil it will be more important, we will t
[08:57] <TheTailor> td-, not that all leftists are stupid I guess, but you certainly are, of
[08:57] <DarthBurg> ayup.
[08:57] <TheTailor> I suppose we could take a poll!
[08:57] <tigress^^> :)
[08:58] <DarthBurg> put me down as td- (idiot) and L0c0 (Hypocritical idiot)
[08:58] <L0c0> td-: This is them rolling out one of Iraqi's new air force planes: http://img.
[08:58] <td-> hhaha
[08:59] <CryHavoc> we are back to the show that never ends
[08:59] <L0c0> Cry: f33r me l33t ph0t0sh0p skylz!
[08:59] <CryHavoc> L0c0.....actually that is the Venezuelan Air Force
[09:00] <CryHavoc> getting ready to patrol for US imperialists
[09:00] <CryHavoc> P0c0 L0c0....one word: feh!!!
[09:01] <DarthBurg> L0c0 can't get anything right.
[09:03] <DarthBurg> Sandy Berger to the rescue? They've got to be kidding
[09:04] <DarthBurg> Chris Matthews is so far around the bend that the only explanation for hi
[09:05] <fordnut> lol
[09:05] <DarthBurg> Matthews, smiling: "You just sound like a liberal Democrat, Malachy."
[09:05] <fordnut> what else would you expect from tip oneills deputy
[09:06] <fordnut> i think more people tune into sesame street every day than watch matthews a
[09:06] <CryHavoc> I like Johnny Cash's Solitary man
[09:06] <DarthBurg> well, you can get the same message on both of those channels.
[09:06] <fordnut> hes gone conspicuously silent on plamegate
[09:06] <fordnut> which he used to salivate over
[09:06] <DarthBurg> fordnut has has most of the media
[09:06] <fordnut> lol darth
[09:06] <fordnut> tru tru
[09:06] <fordnut> yep
[09:07] <DarthBurg> FREE SCOOTER LIBBY
[09:07] <DarthBurg> CometBaby has a soft spot!
[09:07] <CometBaby> lol
[09:07] <CryHavoc> CBS - See BS NBC - New Bullshit Constantly ABC - Always Bullshit Constantl
[09:07] <CryHavoc> the common factor here = Bullshit 'nuff said
[09:08] <CryHavoc> hey fordnut!!!
[09:08] <DarthBurg> CryHavoc oh come now, ABC's miniseries on 911 is PROOF the media is not b
[09:08] <CryHavoc> Darth where is the spot?
[09:08] <DarthBurg> ?
[09:08] <CryHavoc> Darth refer to above
[09:08] <CryHavoc> <DarthBurg> CometBaby has a soft spot!
[09:08] <DarthBurg> oh, thats classified
[09:08] <td-> thats sexual harrasment
[09:09] * CryHavoc will find it....
[09:09] <DarthBurg> yes, i sexually harrass CometBaby, who, as an Independent Lady, is not th
[09:09] <CryHavoc> until then...yer quoted Darth
[09:09] <DarthBurg> got it
[09:09] <CryHavoc> CB has several soft spots....interesting!!!
[09:10] <CryHavoc> very classified
[09:10] <L0c0> CryHavoc: here ya go: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Venezuela
[09:10] <DarthBurg> By the following fall, millions of students across the country were readi
[09:10] <CryHavoc> Chavez needs to be at hel,
[09:10] <L0c0> venezualan airford
[09:10] <L0c0> air force
[09:10] <L0c0> i hsould put chavez on that little girl's body
[09:11] <CryHavoc> http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/huston/060831
[09:11] <CryHavoc> if we are going to fight a war we should
[09:15] <Herzen> wow
[09:15] <Herzen> maggotboy
[09:15] <brouhaha> 'independent woman'
[09:15] <brouhaha> i hate that fucking destiny's child song
[09:16] <pilgrim`> I would never expect the BBC to report UK news without bias, why should I
[09:16] <brouhaha> it empowers women
[09:16] <CryHavoc> Herzen??
[09:16] <brouhaha> i think channel 4 do a stand up job on the uk news
[09:16] <TheTailor> maggotboy huh
[09:16] <Herzen> what?
[09:16] <pilgrim`> the further the reporter is removed fromt he reportage th eles biased the
[09:16] <CryHavoc> nm....I say his join/part
[09:17] <CryHavoc> brouhaha what is wrong with empowering women?
[09:17] <TheTailor> pilgrim`, I hadn't though of that, but it sounds about right
[09:17] <TheTailor> It has to be better than the shit we have here
[09:17] <DarthBurg> CometBaby, you are more than an IRC op to me!
[09:18] <CryHavoc> heel Darth
[09:18] <pilgrim`> I would say that over all, BBC does a BETTER job of report then any US sou
[09:18] <Herzen> I find foreign reporters tend to color their reporters with the general bias
[09:18] <CryHavoc> pilgrim...that last I would also call a liability
[09:18] <Herzen> I wouldn't trust Chinese reports on U.S. domestic politics because they have
[09:18] <pilgrim`> America is more concerned about the pony in Duluth then the war in Papua N
[09:18] <TheTailor> DarthBurg, you say that, but you aren't out there with my slaves building
[09:18] <CryHavoc> they perhaps have gotten used to being a onderous ossified entity
[09:19] <CryHavoc> BBC World Feed is an exception...
[09:19] <DarthBurg> TheTailor I made a hefty donation!
[09:19] <pilgrim`> Cry yes, one must discount that aspect. but that is where the trained an
[09:19] <CryHavoc> TT..thats an ongoing thing....
[09:19] <CryHavoc> the Cult of the Comet
[09:20] <DarthBurg> or the minor fact the vast majority of Journalists want to change the wor
[09:20] <CryHavoc> but onerous and ossified may cause lack of dynamic perspective
[09:20] * CryHavoc sacrifices brouhahah to CometBaby
[09:20] <pilgrim`> I said they were better, not best. You STILL read the Duluth paper about
[09:20] <CryHavoc> not I
[09:21] <CryHavoc> I read the paper online if needed
[09:21] <DarthBurg> Angela Merkel, the first woman to become chancellor of Germany, has displ
[09:21] <pilgrim`> that is why a clippign service is a good. Google does an OK job, but I li
[09:22] <DarthBurg> i like lucianne. a nice web news filter
[09:22] <CryHavoc> Darth...that follows
[09:22] <pilgrim`> after all, Germany os far more powerful then a mere cabinet level positio
[09:22] <CryHavoc> I agree
[09:22] <DarthBurg> one would think.
[09:22] <L0c0> I like this one better: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Venezu
[09:22] <L0c0> hahaha
[09:22] <DarthBurg> I wonder if her latest anti war views have anything to do about it
[09:23] <CryHavoc> its a country...versus a Sec of State spot
[09:23] <CryHavoc> that is the VAF L0c0
[09:23] <L0c0> yeah
[09:23] <L0c0> haha
[09:23] <DarthBurg> A measure to limit greenhouse gas emissions in California could foster fr
[09:23] <DarthBurg> ahh Cali
[09:23] <DarthBurg> when you need an example of what not to do...
[09:23] <CryHavoc> now....you need about 5 F-22's behind it...all weapons firing
[09:24] <CryHavoc> Darth...Nevada is for that!!!!
[09:24] <CryHavoc> AZ too!!
[09:24] <DarthBurg> ny
[09:24] <CryHavoc> and yes..possibly MT
[09:24] <L0c0> well, time for another coffee and a smoke
[09:24] <CryHavoc> time to return the faraday lights to the store
[09:24] <DarthBurg> hahah here in MT the big political hot potato is smoking bans
[09:24] <Herzen> BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United States formally handed over control of Iraq's
[09:25] <DarthBurg> Herzen token offering, nothing more, pay it no mind, nothing to see here,
[09:25] <CryHavoc> not a token offering....
[09:25] <CryHavoc> lets see if Iraqi army can open a can of whup ass
[09:25] <DarthBurg> i am aware.
[09:25] <Herzen> Casey has forecast that Iraq will be in charge of its own security within 12
[09:26] <DarthBurg> Iraq recently hanged 20+ terrorists.
[09:26] <Herzen> 27
[09:26] <DarthBurg> Bush should send Gitmo detainees over
[09:26] <CryHavoc> prob sunnites
[09:26] <GregE> good luck with iraqis adopting democracy ... most of them are inbred ... marr
[09:26] <Herzen> er, right.
[09:26] <CryHavoc> GregE...not true
[09:27] <DarthBurg> GregE that is about the extent of the help we have recieved from people l
[09:27] <CryHavoc> bbiab
[09:27] <GregE> CryHavoc, very true ... from north africa to india ... muslims for the most p
[09:27] <GregE> turkey is the only muslim country where this is heavily frowned upon
[09:27] <DarthBurg> and as such, are incapable of self governance?
[09:28] <Herzen> time to go
[09:28] <GregE> the joys of marrying a 1st cousin ... generation after generation after gener
[09:28] <DarthBurg> have a good one
[09:28] <pilgrim`> the incest taboo is different tribe to tribe culture to culture. as I rec
[09:28] <DarthBurg> GregE any particular political party you belong to? I am curious, as I h
[09:29] <GregE> I'm a racist cause I think people who are heavily inbred have mental defects?
[09:29] <GregE> sorry ...
[09:29] <pilgrim`> now, otoh, the royal families, ie leaders, of the West have traditionally
[09:29] <DarthBurg> ayup, especially since there is no documentation of what you claim to be
[09:30] <GregE> http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/75/8/3906.pdf#search=%22mental%20defects%20in
[09:30] <pilgrim`> to this day, the Shrivers, Kennedies, Melon, etc families are all interbre
[09:30] <DarthBurg> I do not remember ever coming across a piece of information such as that
[09:30] <GregE> pilgrim` they're marrying 1st cousins generation after generation in arranged
[09:31] <DarthBurg> i do not have acrobat? WTF
[09:31] <GregE> http://www.isteve.com/cousin_marriage_conundrum.htm A 1986 study of 4,500 ma
[09:32] <GregE> yea ... and 1st cousin marriage was way more common than 1st ...
[09:32] <GregE> while a smaller 1989 survey found 53% were "consanguineously" married.
[09:32] <GregE> good luck bringing democracy to the inbred peoples
[09:34] <GregE> you think I'm making it up or a racist?
[09:34] <L0c0> Herzen: raqi President Jalal Talabani predicted in a Tuesday meeting with visi
[09:35] <L0c0> who's that guy thats' facing Santorum
[09:35] <L0c0> ? Casey
[09:35] <L0c0> he made a good point on MTP the other day that everytime we have set a timetab
[09:36] <L0c0> setting one for their eventual complete take over could force them to HAVE to
[09:36] <L0c0> they haven't failed a deadline yet
[09:36] <DarthBurg> lol
[09:36] <DarthBurg> ok ok
[09:37] <GregE> In addition, the weighted mean IQ of inbred children )88.4 + or - 1.37) diffe
[09:37] <GregE> friggin 10point IQ difference man
[09:38] <L0c0> damn didnt' realize it was almost 11 already
[09:40] <GregE> is there lag?
[09:41] <L0c0> it got quiet in here
[09:41] <DarthBurg> publications owe Karl Rove an apology. And all of journalism needs to rel
[09:42] <DarthBurg> In the book, which hits bookstores September 19, the antiwar icon admits
[09:42] <DarthBurg> you gotta admit, Bush drives donkeys insane.
[09:43] <plusplusc> Darth: that's because Bush is so arrogantly insane himself.
[09:43] <L0c0> from the Dept. of the Rediculous: http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2006
[09:43] <DarthBurg> and the documentation of that is the New York TImes, ++C?
[09:43] <GregE> remember that nerd said schummer that gay putz was just the man to shoot geor
[09:44] <L0c0> anger over Starbucks using its old logo
[09:44] <L0c0> lame-o
[09:44] <plusplusc> Darth: no, in the cumulative sum of his actions. There are other GOP pot
[09:44] <GregE> someone should shoot becky hanks in the mouth
[09:45] <DarthBurg> ++C so, the complete meltdown of the DNC is just a fluke, and not worth m
[09:45] <GregE> ooooooh tits on a mermaid on a starbucks cup! my kid will go blind and hump h
[09:45] <L0c0> Poll: Giuliani, Clinton favorites for 2008 nominations
[09:45] <GregE> guiliani would pound hitlery's head into the dirt ...
[09:45] <plusplusc> Darth: The DNC hasn't melted down at all
[09:45] <GregE> she wont have a chance
[09:45] <L0c0> if Guiliani could do for the US what he did for NYC, why not
[09:45] <L0c0> but hillary the hun
[09:45] <L0c0> no way
[09:45] <DarthBurg> ++C, we just ignore things like Sandy Berger stealing national documents,
[09:45] <GregE> exactly L0c0 ... he took a socialist shithole and improved it slightly and it
[09:46] <L0c0> we were in NYC in 99 and never once felt unsafe walking around manhattan
[09:46] <plusplusc> Guilliani probably would be a vast improvement over Bush, someone who wou
[09:46] <DarthBurg> ++C, so, the DNC is just fine and dandy, and Bush is the sole bad guy?
[09:46] <GregE> the liberal queer dranged in the head mecca of communist liberal self hating
[09:46] <L0c0> and we walked around at night...we were out 'til 3am
[09:46] <Athaena> good /topic, FreeTimer
[09:46] <GregE> L0c0 under dem mayors it was the exact opposite ... no part of manhattan was
[09:46] <plusplusc> Darth: Bush happens to be who has been in charge of creating the Iraq dis
[09:46] <DarthBurg> to be widely and broadly acceptable, you need a true right winger. not a
[09:46] <L0c0> before we went, my dad filled our head w/ stories of how NYC was when he was t
[09:47] <DarthBurg> ++c what, Saddam had nothing to do with the shape of his current country?
[09:47] <GregE> 80's was the worst ... you had bird brain ed koch
[09:47] <GregE> then we got a surprise from down south ,... mayor dickins
[09:47] <GregE> yea a black guy from atlanta is going to clean nyc up
[09:47] <GregE> riiiiiiight
[09:48] <GregE> he tried making every last white neighborhood a run down ghetto/slum
[09:48] <P_O> Sounds good to me.
[09:48] <DarthBurg> at least he is not from Philly
[09:48] <GregE> idiot was trying to push opening drug rehab centers in the middle of neighbor
[09:48] <P_O> ...I mean.
[09:48] <L0c0> According to United States Senator and former First Lady Hillary Clinton, her
[09:48] <L0c0> lol
[09:49] <GregE> it was funny ... at the local meeting here ... they basically told him and hi
[09:49] <P_O> Hillary is a hack.
[09:49] <GregE> hillary is a moron
[09:49] <P_O> And people also need to quit talking about her so much :P
[09:49] <GregE> she's just another fat ass welfare queen like her voters
[09:50] <P_O> Uh, lack of wealth isn't her problem.
[09:50] <L0c0> P_O: it may play well to people in NY, but nationally, she's dead in the water
[09:50] <GregE> only people hillary can talk to in NYC are welfare recipients, people in rent
[09:50] <GregE> she can't march in no more NYC parades unless it's a minority one
[09:50] <P_O> L0c0, except for all the right-wingers talking about her every 2 seconds is giv
[09:51] <GregE> tits on a cup ... starbucks mermaid has tits!!! oh my god! my kid will go bli
[09:51] <L0c0> my friend Jim said that he thinks Chelsea will eventualy run for a political o
[09:51] <L0c0> P_O: i wouldnt vote for her...i just don't trust her
[09:52] <GregE> she looks inbred
[09:52] <L0c0> P_O: i've said it before, I'd sooner vote for Dubya than Hillary....a nd you g
[09:52] <P_O> Just like I'm pretty mortally offended by the Bush family and all of their poli
[09:52] <P_O> Not that I'd discredit Chelsea immediately if she did run for office, but for f
[09:52] <GregE> natural gas down .27
[09:53] <DarthBurg> I will vouch, L0c0 is no fan of the Dubya
[09:53] <GregE> how come my natural gas rates for home dont drop !?
[09:53] <gopp> hey hey hey hey
[09:53] <P_O> GregE, you have a thing about inbreeding don't you?
[09:53] <gopp> guest who I just spoke to
[09:53] <Cathy> Chelsea will come out of the closet when she turns 21 and her parents will di
[09:53] <gopp> gues gues guess who I just spoke to
[09:53] <gopp> from NJ
[09:53] <L0c0> P_O: I think Prescott Bush falls into that same catagory
[09:53] <gopp> DarthBurg L0c0 P_O hi
[09:53] <gopp> DarthBurg L0c0 P_O guess who I just spoke with
[09:53] <P_O> Cathy, heheh.
[09:53] <L0c0> though he stands a better chance
[09:53] <Athaena> that'd be cool, Cathy :)
[09:53] <L0c0> gopp: who?
[09:53] <P_O> My mom has said she'd kick me out of the house if I was Republican.
[09:53] <gopp> govenor corzine
[09:53] <P_O> She's probably full of shit, but it doesn't matter cause I'm not.
[09:53] <DarthBurg> P_O typical Democrat tolerance
[09:54] <L0c0> where?
[09:54] <gopp> DarthBurg I just spoke to govenor corzine
[09:54] <gopp> at my college
[09:54] <DarthBurg> exactly
[09:54] <Athaena> my mother has the same attitude, not that lived in her house in over 40 yea
[09:54] <P_O> DarthBurg, meh, I doubt she'd actually do it.
[09:54] <L0c0> how'd that go?
[09:54] <gopp> as he was leaving his ecomonic plan
[09:54] <gopp> L0c0 crazy
[09:54] <P_O> She already knows I'm more conservative than she is.
[09:54] <gopp> he said he not going to cut taxes
[09:54] <P_O> And that I don't hate Bush.
[09:54] <Athaena> 'republican' is the strongest non-obscene epithet in her vocabulary
[09:55] <gopp> DarthBurg L0c0 I was nervous
[09:55] <L0c0> i'd be too
[09:55] <L0c0> meeting any big figure like that would be nerve racking
[09:55] <gopp> DarthBurg but I asked govenor of nj corzine " are you going to cut taxes?" He
[09:55] <Cathy> Whois this Adam Gadahn prick appearing in al-Qaeda videos?
[09:55] <gopp> L0c0 I ask him that he said NO, we have to pay for what we have
[09:56] <gopp> I then asked, why not cut some programs not needed, he said we can't we need t
[09:56] <gopp> and then cut taxes
[09:56] <gopp> he said NO
[09:56] <gopp> I then gave him a example
[09:56] <gopp> I said jeb bush in florida has no state income tax, and cut some goverment por
[09:56] <gopp> and has no defecit but a surplus
[09:57] <gopp> he said well we will get thier some day
[09:57] <gopp> bullshit
[09:57] <gopp> but that how it ended a good 10 mins
[09:57] <GregE> Cathy, some nerd ... self-hating american clown.
[09:57] <Cathy> That'd be my assessment.
[09:58] <gopp> L0c0 do you think my question was bad, fair, or not needed to be asked?
[09:58] <gopp> I knew I wanted to ask him somethng
[09:58] <gopp> thing
[09:58] <Cathy> There's no reason to have a property tax and every reason not to.
[09:58] <gopp> I hope he didn't knew that I worked for the other guy
[09:58] <gopp> Cathy well, he gave this argument about we need to pay for what we have
[09:59] <gopp> I was like but why not cut the pork barrel
[09:59] <GregE> who the hell will pay for all those worthless jobs the cities of NJ have?
[09:59] <gopp> and then cut taxes
[09:59] <gopp> GregE the reason
[09:59] <Cathy> But we don't need to pay the govt for giving us shoddy workmanship for things
[09:59] <GregE> you know those jobs ... hire the idiots just so they sit in the seat cause th
[09:59] <gopp> I said this, becuase he came to college to speak about ecominic growth
[09:59] <gopp> and it was laid in big poster boards
[09:59] <_3Josephs> The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for t
[09:59] <gopp> NO where did I see tax cuts
[09:59] <gopp> GregE yea
[10:00] <gopp> and it was laid in big poster boards like more programs to be educated more pr
[10:00] <GregE> you know like how a subway ticket in NYC really costs about $5 each way but i
[10:00] <Cathy> And people wonder why I disregard political polls.
[10:00] <gopp> but no where did it say tax cut
[10:00] <gopp> GregE they could even have computer run the trains
[10:01] <L0c0> gopp: texas has no state income tax and has been running a surplus
[10:01] <gopp> and just one crew member to over see the computer
[10:01] <gopp> L0c0 yea
[10:01] <sintient> hey there
[10:01] <gopp> I gave the florida example
[10:01] <L0c0> gopp: cutting pork barrel $ is the biggy
[10:01] <GregE> you really need 4 token clerks now? you put cash or a credit card in a machin
[10:01] <L0c0> if politicians would get their grubby hands off it
[10:01] <gopp> I told him jeb bush has a surplus
[10:01] <GregE> you could slash the MTA employees by 85%
[10:01] <gopp> and he cut pork barrel
[10:01] <gopp> L0c0 I told him that
[10:01] <L0c0> texas has been running a surplus for a while now
[10:01] <gopp> he said one day we will get thier
[10:01] <GregE> a ticket would then really cost $2
[10:01] <gopp> at least I can say he answred my question
[10:01] <gopp> and was nice
[10:02] <L0c0> yeah that's cool
[10:02] <GregE> then stop ripping off drivers who are paying $5 tolls
[10:02] <gopp> L0c0 so my question was fair
[10:02] <GregE> but then where would these other idiots get jobs ... they have no skills
[10:02] <L0c0> it was
[10:02] <L0c0> it wasn't harsh or loaded
[10:02] <gopp> sweet
[10:02] <L0c0> it was a good honest question that i'm sure many constituants would love to as
[10:02] <pilgrim`> cops, like all thuggs through out history are not for maintaining order bu
[10:02] <gopp> you know me somtimes I get excited
[10:03] <gopp> L0c0 and I did
[10:03] <gopp> pilgrim` hey
[10:03] <CryHavoc> gopp the shitheads in NJ are corrupt
[10:03] <L0c0> how often do we get to ask somebody that important a question like that
[10:03] <gopp> pilgrim` I just spoke to my democart govenor corzine
[10:03] <gopp> CryHavoc hey
[10:03] <gopp> CryHavoc guess what
[10:03] <gopp> I just did something so coool
[10:03] <GregE> the best is when the MTA has a surplus the city tries to steal it from them l
[10:03] <gopp> at my college
[10:03] <pilgrim`> Cry NJ has the best government money can buy....at all levels
[10:03] <CryHavoc> its amusing...with all the revenue NJ sucks from their residents...
[10:03] <gopp> CryHavoc guess what I did
[10:03] <CryHavoc> they run out of money...
[10:03] <Athaena> what about the neighborhood protection rackets they were designed to elimin
[10:03] <GregE> the worker strike was for robbing the surplus
[10:03] <CryHavoc> what gopp
[10:03] <gopp> CryHavoc guess who I spoke to
[10:03] <pilgrim`> hola gopp
[10:03] <gopp> guess
[10:03] <gopp> pilgrim` hol
[10:03] <L0c0> meeting a big politician is sorta cool even if you don't agree w/ their politi
[10:03] <gopp> a
[10:03] <CryHavoc> GregE get this though...
[10:03] <L0c0> Athaena: huh?
[10:03] <GregE> the mta strike in nyc was to rob the surplus ... what surplus when it's all s
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I Just fisniishing speaking to corzine
[10:04] <CryHavoc> FL has no state income tax...
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I just finishing speaking to governor corzine
[10:04] <gopp> in person
[10:04] <CryHavoc> JEB Bush cut the number of state workers.....
[10:04] <gopp> I asked a question
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I told him that
[10:04] <CryHavoc> he also cut business taxes in FL too
[10:04] <gopp> I told corzine right in his face that
[10:04] <pilgrim`> best place int he world to live is Vancover Washingtom
[10:04] <CryHavoc> and golly gee..FL has a SURPLUS!! a real one
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I told, corzine are you going to cut taxes
[10:04] <pilgrim`> no state income tax. and, drive to Portland to shop and no sales tax
[10:04] <CryHavoc> not Clintonian
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I told corzine that
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc pay atteion
[10:04] <_3Josephs> pilgrim`, as long as you don't like sunlight
[10:04] <gopp> CryHavoc I just spoke for 10 min with corzine
[10:05] <CryHavoc> OR has a shitty state income tax
[10:05] <CryHavoc> gopp..directly??
[10:05] <pilgrim`> exactly
[10:05] <gopp> yes
[10:05] <CryHavoc> what happened??
[10:05] <gopp> CryHavoc guess what
[10:05] <pilgrim`> so live in WA and shop in OR
[10:05] <gopp> he was at my college
[10:05] <CryHavoc> how in hell did you get a hold of him????
[10:05] <CryHavoc> oh
[10:05] <gopp> right before he was leaving
[10:05] <gopp> out th ddoor
[10:05] <CryHavoc> gimme the skinny...
[10:05] <gopp> I went as if I was going to shake his hand
[10:05] <gopp> bam
[10:05] <gopp> I asked him
[10:05] <gopp> corzine
[10:05] <gopp> are you going to cut taxes
[10:05] <CryHavoc> what did you say?
[10:05] <pilgrim`> no
[10:06] <gopp> he was giving a speach about ecominic growth and had big big paper boards with
[10:06] <gopp> and or plan, not one plan was tax cuts
[10:06] <CryHavoc> mail Corzine one of JEB Bushes business cards
[10:06] <gopp> CryHavoc check this out
[10:06] <gopp> CryHavoc corzine then said well we can't cut taxes
[10:06] <gopp> we have programs to pay for
[10:06] <gopp> to me
[10:06] <CryHavoc> golly gee..I wonder why??
[10:07] <gopp> not to big crowd but me
[10:07] <gopp> like personal
[10:07] <gopp> as if you and I where alone speaking
[10:07] <gopp> then
[10:07] <gopp> well nto alone his body guards where thier
[10:07] <CryHavoc> you mention Florida?
[10:07] <gopp> then I said well
[10:07] <gopp> yea
[10:07] <gopp> yea
[10:07] <gopp> wait let finish
[10:07] <CryHavoc> ok
[10:07] <gopp> then I said well govenor, how about cutting pork barrel to cut taxes
[10:08] <gopp> he said well we can't all the programs we have know are important
[10:08] <gopp> then he gave some speach I forget
[10:08] <gopp> but then I said corzine, florida cut taxes I ment to say no income tax I was n
[10:08] <gopp> and cut goverment waste
[10:08] <gopp> and is not running surplus
[10:09] <gopp> err
[10:09] <gopp> is not running a deffecit
[10:09] <CryHavoc> is running a surplus
[10:09] <gopp> yes I made a mistake right know
[10:09] <gopp> in typing
[10:09] <gopp> is not running a deffecit
[10:09] <gopp> they have a surplus
[10:09] <gopp> and I said the words
[10:09] <gopp> jeb bush, is cut
[10:09] <gopp> goverment pork barrel and taxes
[10:09] <gopp> and they are running a surplus
[10:09] <sintient> http://www.lbb.state.tx.us/Fact_Book/Texas_Fact_Book_2006_0106.pdf
[10:10] <gopp> he said well well well one day we will get thier
[10:10] <gopp> I q outed jeb bush
[10:10] <gopp> in his face
[10:10] <gopp> He must be pissed
[10:10] <CryHavoc> Texas runs under a fair tax as well
[10:10] <gopp> that some didn't buy his rethoic
[10:10] <sintient> I was curious about texas and in that summar Texas spends 138 billion and
[10:10] <fonebone> well
[10:10] <fonebone> kinda cry
[10:10] <fonebone> their property taxes are insane
[10:10] <GregE> gopp you're lucky he didn't ask for your personal info ... he'd be at your ho
[10:10] <sintient> That is close to balanced maybe with federal aid it is a surplus I don't k
[10:10] <gopp> CryHavoc so was my queston fair
[10:10] <sintient> loco.
[10:10] <gopp> GregE hehehe
[10:11] <gopp> GregE he just mad, that some didn't buy his rethoic
[10:11] <gopp> about ecomonics growth
[10:11] <CryHavoc> yes it was....
[10:11] <gopp> I saw most of the signs where more goverment spending
[10:11] <_3Josephs> Texas is very unusual in that it uses a two-year budget cycle (due to the
[10:11] <GregE> NJ has growth but they're choking it greatly by wasting it
[10:11] <gopp> GregE yes
[10:11] <gopp> I told him
[10:11] <gopp> cut pork barrel
[10:11] <GregE> they support the idiots in NJ by making jobs for them ...
[10:11] <gopp> he said well all programs are
[10:11] <gopp> needed
[10:11] <GregE> yea
[10:11] <gopp> GregE yea
[10:11] <CryHavoc> once they have the fairtax at federal level.....it may agitate the masses
[10:11] <heyzeus> There was a chart I wanted to show you all.
[10:12] <sintient> 7 billion in deficit isn't back for 17 million people citizens and 5 milli
[10:12] <gopp> that was his ecomonic growth program make fake jobs for people
[10:12] <heyzeus> Let me see if I can find it again.
[10:12] <gopp> CryHavoc so what you think, was my question fair
[10:12] <CryHavoc> if it goes that way...the ones who refuse to do so will lose population
[10:12] <CryHavoc> gopp..definitely fair
[10:12] <gopp> CryHavoc I shold of said fair tax
[10:12] <gopp> but I was nervous
[10:12] * CryHavoc its official gopp is allright!!
[10:12] <heyzeus> Found it
[10:13] <heyzeus> Check this out: http://www.thexreport.com/historic%20chart%20for%20crude%20
[10:13] <gopp> CryHavoc I "told my govenor off"
[10:13] <CryHavoc> Corzine in the Governor?
[10:13] <gopp> in a plite way
[10:13] <gopp> CryHavoc
[10:13] <gopp> yea the govenor of nj
[10:13] <_3Josephs> crude has dropped to under $67
[10:13] <gopp> of my liberal state
[10:13] <CryHavoc> goos shot gopp....
[10:13] <GregE> 66.85
[10:13] <jimmythek> we got spammed?
[10:13] <gopp> I did in a educated polite manner
[10:13] <gopp> I didn't it
[10:13] <CryHavoc> he now knows at least one NJ er knows he is full of shit
[10:13] <gopp> well I spoken to my state senator
[10:14] <heyzeus> It was over 70 at one point though, right?
[10:14] <_3Josephs> it was at $78 last week
[10:14] <gopp> CryHavoc I think he going to be a bit livid, that some didn't buy his shit
[10:14] <gopp> CryHavoc I picked up a booklet of ecomonic growth for nj
[10:14] <gopp> 8 million in adversting
[10:14] <gopp> for NJ
[10:14] <gopp> come on
[10:14] <gopp> 8 million
[10:14] <gopp> for what, to tell people "come to the shore"
[10:15] <gopp> or gamble
[10:15] <gopp> people do that no need for ads
[10:15] <CryHavoc> Send the NJ an email asking why they can't manage the money they steal fro
[10:15] <gopp> just an e.g.
[10:15] <gopp> CryHavoc I gave fl example
[10:15] <gopp> which was best example in my mind
[10:15] <gopp> at the moment
[10:15] <gopp> he said well when we get thier will see
[10:15] <CryHavoc> get an Almanac...
[10:15] <gopp> after I told him about jeb bush
[10:16] <CryHavoc> it will list NJ state Income tax.....and their sales tax...and taxable goo
[10:16] <CryHavoc> s
[10:16] <heyzeus> http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/twip/crstuss.gif
[10:16] <gopp> oh
[10:16] <gopp> CryHavoc hhahhhahah jeb bush is the men
[10:16] <CryHavoc> ask then why with allthese revenue sources...they can not run the governme
[10:16] <gopp> the only reason I won't move to florida is the darn huricanes
[10:16] <gopp> CryHavoc yea
[10:16] <gopp> I told him that
[10:16] <CryHavoc> gopp...thats crap
[10:16] <CryHavoc> Hurricane shmurricane
[10:16] <gopp> he told me
[10:16] <gopp> well all this programs are "important"
[10:17] <CryHavoc> we do not get winter blizzards
[10:17] <gopp> blizzards won't kill your house
[10:17] <CryHavoc> we have 2 Useable Oceans
[10:17] <gopp> unless your dumb
[10:17] <gopp> CryHavoc good point
[10:17] <CryHavoc> no worrys about crack needlkes in the sand
[10:17] <CryHavoc> needles
[10:17] <gopp> he said they where "important" if they are pork barrel how are they important
[10:17] <jimmythek> cryhavoc sup
[10:17] <CryHavoc> or bodies rolling in the surf
[10:17] <gopp> CryHavoc "govenor of NJ"
[10:17] <gopp> most people where clapling at him
[10:17] <gopp> I was how fake
[10:17] <heyzeus> http://www.wtrg.com/daily/clfclose.gif
[10:18] <gopp> typical liberal
[10:18] * CryHavoc as governor...would I be assassinated.....or impeached
[10:18] <gopp> and why does he need to use our campus to talk about ecomnics growth
[10:18] <gopp> where the growth
[10:18] <gopp> well casion
[10:18] <gopp> have growth
[10:18] <gopp> but that about it
[10:18] <CryHavoc> if he is for economic growth..but refueses to cut taxes....
[10:18] <CryHavoc> go figure
[10:18] <gopp> and they get a tax cut
[10:18] <gopp> CryHavoc yea
[10:18] <gopp> he had poster boards
[10:18] <gopp> which like 7 plans
[10:18] <gopp> or stages
[10:19] <gopp> NONe had the words "tax cuts"
[10:19] <gopp> it had more programs for education
[10:19] <gopp> and not college education
[10:19] <gopp> welfare like education
[10:19] <gopp> like ged
[10:19] <CryHavoc> You can't pump youro own gas in NJ ...right?
[10:19] <gopp> only one plan said higher learning
[10:19] <CryHavoc> wtf is up with that???
[10:19] <gopp> in nj they pump our gass
[10:19] <gopp> not sure why
[10:19] <gopp> I love it
[10:19] <gopp> becuase when it cold
[10:20] <gopp> no need to live hot or warm car
[10:20] <CryHavoc> they call it hazardous materials...
[10:20] <gopp> oh
[10:20] <CryHavoc> I call it guaranteeing jobs for the masses..and keeping gas prices higher
[10:20] <gopp> CryHavoc hahhah 30 cent per gallon goes to goverment
[10:20] <gopp> or even higher
[10:21] <gopp> well I must study
[10:21] <CryHavoc> they implement a federal fair tax.......
[10:21] <gopp> I did to much
[10:21] <CryHavoc> one my one..or by twos....many US states see the light....
[10:21] <gopp> why are all programs "important"
[10:21] <gopp> the only programs needed and it a far strech
[10:21] <gopp> are
[10:21] <CryHavoc> NJ refuses to go that route...but Maryland decides to do so.,....
[10:22] <CryHavoc> people leave NJ as fast as they can
[10:22] <jimmythek> someone eat my cum
[10:22] <CryHavoc> gopp...the hurricane threat in FL is bullshit
[10:22] <gopp> "roads, clean roads, higher education and and that all
[10:22] <CryHavoc> out
[10:22] <gopp> OH I do belive in giving any an oppurunity to high education
[10:23] <gopp> aol.com
[10:23] <gopp> hhahahah
[10:23] <gopp> troll
[10:23] <CryHavoc> FL has clean roads...
[10:23] <gopp> wardooo@AC803402.ipt.aol.com
[10:23] <gopp> CryHavoc hmm
[10:23] <gopp> nj has lot of pot holes
[10:23] <sintient> http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/galloway/
[10:23] <_3Josephs> CryHavoc, that's because the hurricanes blow all the trash into the ocean
[10:23] <CryHavoc> gopp move to FL
[10:24] <CryHavoc> 3joes..not really
[10:24] <gopp> well after I grudate from college
[10:24] <gopp> with out a degree
[10:24] <CryHavoc> the people here pick up after selves...
[10:24] <gopp> CryHavoc do you get ticketed a lot in fl
[10:24] <gopp> like traffic cops
[10:24] <CryHavoc> Miami and J Ville are very urban...
[10:24] <gopp> NJ loves to ticket
[10:24] <CryHavoc> gopp..nope
[10:24] <weezyl> Morning, sailors.
[10:24] <gopp> ticket to sweep the street
[10:25] <gopp> CryHavoc who sweeps the roads
[10:25] <gopp> you don't have sweeper
[10:25] <CryHavoc> you get a ticket if you litter....
[10:25] <CryHavoc> $100 ticket
[10:25] <_3Josephs> hmm, NASA is getting crazy ... seriously talking about flying with the ba
[10:25] <CryHavoc> NASA......poo
[10:26] <_3Josephs> its another accident waiting to happen :-(
[10:26] <gopp> hmm
[10:26] <gopp> vmware sucks
[10:26] <gopp> good idea
[10:26] <gopp> but it sucks
[10:26] <CryHavoc> National Anachronistic Science Applications
[10:26] <gopp> hmm, also sheepsaver kick ass
[10:26] <gopp> I am running os 9
[10:26] <TheTailor> "Lack of security and lack of governance have pushed Iraq into the rise o
[10:26] <gopp> classic mac on my pc
[10:26] <gopp> TheTailor guess what
[10:26] <TheTailor> ODD, they don't ssay who that was...hmmm
[10:26] <gopp> TheTailor gues who I had a personal converstion with
[10:26] <CryHavoc> haha OS 0 is classic :)
[10:27] <CryHavoc> OS 0
[10:27] <CryHavoc> 9
[10:27] <TheTailor> And what would a retired general know anyway? He's out of the loop.
[10:27] <gopp> TheTailor gues who I spoke to personally today
[10:27] <TheTailor> gopp, who
[10:27] <CryHavoc> TT depends...
[10:27] <TheTailor> Hillary!
[10:27] <gopp> TheTailor govenor corzine
[10:27] <gopp> of nj
[10:27] <CryHavoc> gopp Confronted Governor Corzine
[10:27] <gopp> I had a 10 min chat
[10:27] <gopp> CryHavoc yea
[10:27] <TheTailor> CryHavoc, no, it doesn't depend, they are not at the meetings
[10:27] <CryHavoc> and gopp was not shot :)
[10:27] <gopp> CryHavoc tell I suck at telling storys
[10:28] <TheTailor> Retired generals are like retired presidents, they don't have access to w
[10:28] <CryHavoc> in 10 minutes gopp told Corzine he was full of shit
[10:28] <TheTailor> They give speeches.
[10:28] <CryHavoc> TT they have their past experiences though...
[10:28] <CryHavoc> extrapolation is useful
[10:29] <TheTailor> Yeah, well a general that was in VietNam has no idea what is going on in
[10:29] <CryHavoc> Iraq could have a nasty civil war
[10:29] <CometBaby> Does anyone here print labels right on the cd?
[10:29] <starly> EPSILON_, you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: Premptive strik
[10:29] <CryHavoc> LOLOL
[10:29] <Cathy> If I were a NASA astronaut and they were saying were gonna fly with a bad fue
[10:30] <TheTailor> Print labels right on a cd?
[10:30] <CryHavoc> scratch one Lebanese
[10:30] <CometBaby> yeah print the title of the cd onto the cd
[10:30] <TheTailor> how?
[10:30] <gopp> CometBaby I did it once
[10:30] <gopp> it not so great
[10:30] <weezyl> Cathy, you've just given me a great idea on how to get a full row to myself
[10:30] <gopp> CometBaby you need a cdr inkjet printer
[10:30] <weezyl> *files that away*
[10:30] <gopp> or a palstic thing
[10:30] <CometBaby> gopp .. lol. I didn't ask for an opinion :)
[10:30] <gopp> that imprints it
[10:30] <CometBaby> I just need to learn how to do it.
[10:30] <gopp> CometBaby guess who I just spoke to
[10:30] <CryHavoc> weezyl.....it could also get you a .45 in the skull too
[10:30] <CometBaby> I'm not sure if I have the software for it
[10:30] <TheTailor> CB, I printed a cleat sticker that I put on a CD once.
[10:31] <gopp> CometBaby I just had a 10 min with some one popular
[10:31] <TheTailor> clear, sheesh
[10:31] <gopp> yea a cleat sticker is great
[10:31] <Cathy> weezyl: More like get your ass yanked off that plane and strip searched by a
[10:31] <weezyl> What, doesn't everyone say a little prayer to the deity of their choice befo
[10:31] <gopp> CometBaby I just spoke to govenor corzine of nj
[10:31] <CryHavoc> inkjet...some loatware CD label printer....
[10:31] <CometBaby> I don't want sticker labels. I want to learn how to burn them right onto
[10:31] * CryHavoc still is hi tech..I use a Black El Marko
[10:31] <gopp> CometBaby oh light scribe
[10:31] <weezyl> Cathy - for free? Bonus! :)
[10:31] <TheTailor> EPSILON_ on #101 #alqaeda +#linux-support
[10:31] <CometBaby> where do you get lightscribe?
[10:31] <CometBaby> thats it
[10:31] <gopp> CometBaby hp has a cd burner
[10:31] <Cathy> CB: You mean LightScribe?
[10:31] <gopp> that has that feature
[10:31] <CryHavoc> one sec
[10:32] <gopp> CometBaby you need to have a cd burner to support that
[10:32] <CometBaby> yes cathy
[10:32] <Cathy> LightScribe is a feature of the drive itself.
[10:32] <gopp> yea
[10:32] <weezyl> TheTailor -- that channel list is awesome. Hee, #linux-support.
[10:32] <gopp> I think hp makes them
[10:32] <CometBaby> ok so I look in my cd burner software?
[10:32] <Cathy> No LightScribe feature in the drive, no LightScribe.
[10:32] <CryHavoc> yer Burner has to have the tech
[10:32] <sintient> seems to be some are still active but they can't give their names
[10:32] <gopp> CometBaby and hp has software for that
[10:33] <sintient> but you don't have to believe that still I would trust a retired general m
[10:33] <CometBaby> I have an hp 6610 all in one .. I don't think it has lighscribe software
[10:33] <Cathy> CB: The burning software needs to support it or optionally a stand-alone ligh
[10:33] <CometBaby> on
[10:33] <CometBaby> cathy .. ok.
[10:33] <gopp> CometBaby guess what
[10:33] <gopp> CometBaby guess who I spoke to today
[10:33] <Cathy> gopp: God?
[10:33] <TheTailor> weezyl, I'm sure #alqaeda is too
[10:33] <gopp> Cathy govenor corzine of nj
[10:34] <TheTailor> POh, list, sorry
[10:34] <gopp> I had a 10 min talk or chat
[10:34] <TheTailor> gah
[10:34] <Cathy> Oh, yeah, I saw you talking about that.
[10:34] <gopp> I asked a fair question "are you going to cut taxes"
[10:34] <CryHavoc> then bend over...lightscribe media needed too
[10:34] <weezyl> TheTailor - that the guy is on *both* is the best part.
[10:34] <sintient> is ligthscribe worth it?
[10:34] <TheTailor> What did he say
[10:34] <gopp> he said well we have to pay for programs we have
[10:34] <CryHavoc> sintient not at the moment
[10:34] <gopp> that what he told TheTailor
[10:34] <TheTailor> gopp, so no.
[10:34] <sintient> What about dvd burners in general?
[10:34] <gopp> TheTailor NO
[10:34] <gopp> was his answer
[10:35] <CryHavoc> they are worth it
[10:35] <sintient> Can you really copy a dvd with them easily?
[10:35] <gopp> he said NO we have "important programs" to pay for
[10:35] <fonebone> well its true :P
[10:35] <CometBaby> cathy how do I find if my burners have the capability?
[10:35] <sintient> I mean if I was backing up 2 gigs at a time but I don't do that.
[10:35] <CryHavoc> I dont know....
[10:35] <sintient> Hardrives are pretty cheap.
[10:35] <fonebone> they are legally bound to pay for the programs they created
[10:35] <gopp> TheTailor then I asked him well why not cut pork barrel,
[10:35] <Cathy> sintient: It requires special disks, which are more expensive, in addition to
[10:35] <sintient> 25 cents a gig.
[10:35] <gopp> and then cut taxes
[10:35] <CryHavoc> but they burn data 4.9/8.4 gigs at a time
[10:35] <gopp> he said well this programs are "important"
[10:35] <fonebone> i think some people want govt to cut taxes and bankrupt programs
[10:35] <fonebone> but that is illegal
[10:35] <fonebone> :P
[10:35] <gopp> fonebone I didn't say that
[10:35] <gopp> I said cut pork barrel and taxes
[10:35] <CryHavoc> fonebone...crap
[10:35] <gopp> crap
[10:35] <gopp> fonebone I know you support more goverment
[10:36] <fonebone> you have to cut the programs first
[10:36] <gopp> I don't
[10:36] <fonebone> no i dont
[10:36] <CryHavoc> cut the graft and coirruption and kickbacks
[10:36] <sintient> What about just putting in a dvd movie you bought and copying it to anothe
[10:36] <gopp> no you don't
[10:36] <fonebone> im all for cutting programs
[10:36] <CryHavoc> NJ is full of that shit
[10:36] <fonebone> but you dont cut the funding first
[10:36] <Cathy> All DVDs do approximately 4.9 GB, but the newer dual layer (DL) drives/disks
[10:36] <gopp> you can cut taxes and fund the programs other ways
[10:36] <CryHavoc> Cathy yeo
[10:36] <fonebone> and then screw people that expected those programs to be there
[10:36] <CryHavoc> yep
[10:36] <gopp> goverment need not be source of fuding programs
[10:36] <L0c0> cut the pork
[10:36] <Cathy> I want to cut taxes and bankrupt social cruft. Sure.
[10:36] <cyberfrg> taxes arn't the problem, the tax system is
[10:36] <L0c0> you can fund programs that way
[10:36] <TheTailor> fonebone, umm, what law makes it illegal to cut programs?
[10:36] <fonebone> those programs are passed by law
[10:36] <CryHavoc> Cathy...you are college degreed right??
[10:36] <fonebone> so they are required to fund them
[10:37] <TheTailor> fonebone,a nd recinded by law.
[10:37] <TheTailor> fonebone, umm, what law makes it illegal to cut programs?
[10:37] <fonebone> exactly
[10:37] <gopp> TheTailor afterwards I told corzine, well in florida jeb bush cut taxes I ment
[10:37] <gopp> corzine could not answer that
[10:37] <fonebone> im not saying its illegal to cut them
[10:37] <gopp> I asked why
[10:37] <fonebone> its illegal to let them remain and not fund them
[10:37] <gopp> he said "well one day we will have that , one day"
[10:37] <fonebone> like i said.. im all for cutting programs
[10:37] <fonebone> :P
[10:37] <CryHavoc> Susan!! :)
[10:37] <TheTailor> [12:35] <fonebone> i think some people want govt to cut taxes and b
[10:37] <TheTailor> [12:35] <fonebone> but that is illegal
[10:38] <sintient> Are you saying if you have legislation to fund something you can't just cu
[10:38] <fonebone> but since our representatives are a bunch of pussies... they wont do it
[10:38] <gopp> CryHavoc he said "well one day, one will do that"
[10:38] <TheTailor> [12:36] <fonebone> im not saying its illegal to cut them
[10:38] <gopp> CryHavoc when is that one day
[10:38] <CryHavoc> gopp..uh huh
[10:38] <TheTailor> fonebone, now, shich is it?
[10:38] <fonebone> exactly what i said?
[10:38] <CryHavoc> gopp..the day after he leaves office
[10:38] <TheTailor> which is it even
[10:38] <sintient> If they say they are going to fund it they have to fund it is what what yo
[10:38] <gopp> I wonder if this was caught on cammera
[10:38] <TheTailor> It's either illegal or it isn't
[10:38] <fonebone> yes sint
[10:38] <gopp> I bet not
[10:38] <fonebone> thats what im saying
[10:39] <CryHavoc> gopp..if you have it on video...that would rock...
[10:39] <fonebone> if they vote to cut the program thats fine
[10:39] <TheTailor> fonebone, umm, yeah, but that's not what you said.
[10:39] <gopp> CryHavoc but I bet the cameras where off
[10:39] <gopp> unless some reporters
[10:39] <gopp> cuaght asking the question
[10:39] <TheTailor> Cutting programs isn't illegal, ever.
[10:39] <gopp> it can be on local paper
[10:39] <gopp> caught me
[10:39] <fonebone> i didnt say it was.. i said bankrupting them is
[10:39] <TheTailor> In fact if they don't work, it duty to cut them.
[10:40] <gopp> TheTailor but they don't cut them in nj, even if they proven not to work
[10:40] <gopp> they car kept for many years
[10:40] <gopp> until new admin shows up
[10:40] <fonebone> and thats because representatives are pussies gopp
[10:40] <fonebone> they are afraid that if they cut a program everyone involved with that pro
[10:40] <CryHavoc> brb
[10:41] <fonebone> especially if its a social program.. because then they are scared they wil
[10:41] <gopp> TheTailor do you think my question was fair?
[10:42] <sintient> When someone can't prove what they what they often try to just get the las
[10:42] <TheTailor> gopp, sure.
[10:42] <Alanis> Is moderatum a bot or the collection of moderators?
[10:42] <TheTailor> Alanis, a bot.
[10:43] <gopp> TheTailor I hope it goes to the papers
[10:43] <gopp> but I bet it won't
[10:43] <Alanis> Sometimes it voices very quickly and other times it takes nearly 30 seconds.
[10:43] <DarthBurg> ayup
[10:44] <DarthBurg> isn't technology wonderful
[10:44] <TheTailor> Alanis, yeah, lag.
[10:44] <brouhaha> the collection of moderators hide behind moderatum
[10:44] <DarthBurg> sintient you are the expert on getting in the last fraudulent word.
[10:45] <TheTailor> Indeed.
[10:45] <sintient> Was that the last word?
[10:45] <sintient> Oh no that was.
[10:45] <DarthBurg> was it?
[10:45] <DarthBurg> I was not paying attention
[10:45] <sintient> That is probly true often.
[10:45] <DarthBurg> I do have a life yes.
[10:45] <DarthBurg> and it does interupt IRC from time to time.
[10:45] <sintient> And a small attention span?
[10:46] <TheTailor> haha, the last fraudulent word before you suddenly go off to read the new
[10:46] <DarthBurg> luckily, anything of yours I miss, i can get from the New York Times, CNN
[10:46] <sintient> I talk about the news I just read, oh my.
[10:46] <TheTailor> sintient, like last night when DStewart kicked your ass, you came back 15
[10:46] <sintient> You guys seem to like to talk about me more than the news.
[10:46] <TheTailor> Pathetic troll.
[10:47] <sintient> Freetrade was talking about a laptop so what?
[10:47] <DarthBurg> sintient yes, you are very important to us, the typical closet case.
[10:47] <TheTailor> We wouldn't if you would go to freenode, bye! :-)
[10:47] <sintient> Check the logs he started talking about a latop and you were talking about
[10:47] <sintient> I am on freenode right now.
[10:47] <DarthBurg> I have a toshiba satelite
[10:47] <DarthBurg> an old one
[10:47] <DarthBurg> has win98 on it
[10:47] <TheTailor> Good, do us all a favor and leave this channel.
[10:48] <sintient> Freenode doesn't have any people on a ban button and it seems to run just
[10:48] <TheTailor> Great, stay away from here.
[10:48] <DarthBurg> hahaha no bans on freenode?
[10:48] <sintient> No one #politics
[10:48] <sintient> Go there and try to get banned I am not sure if you could do it.
[10:48] <sintient> Maybe if you just spammed, I don't know.
[10:49] <sintient> I can't remember the last ban I saw in there, they suggest people use the
[10:50] <DarthBurg> yes, an interesting concept. doing it yourself.
[10:50] <sintient> I am going to start doing it more.
[10:50] <DarthBurg> i have few on there.
[10:50] <sintient> Since people really would rather talk about me than the news sometimes.
[10:50] <weezyl> I <3 my /ignore list.
[10:50] <Rebec> weezyl me too
[10:51] <Rebec> saves me a ton of aggrevational shit
[10:51] <weezyl> It's pretty short, but it saves screen space like nobody's business.
[10:51] <DarthBurg> sintient, well, if you were not such a wack job, we would not talk about
[10:51] <sintient> I have maybe one ignore right now.
[10:51] <sintient> Actually if I was a wack job you could easily dismiss me and no one would
[10:51] <sintient> But I get support from other users so you try to discredit me.
[10:51] <DarthBurg> you do that nicely all by yourself.
[10:51] <sintient> So why do you even talk to me?
[10:51] <DarthBurg> luckily, I like hearing the other side, such as it is
[10:52] <sintient> That is why I present ideas sometimes to hear the other side from you guys
[10:52] <TheTailor> sintient, find a topic or get out
[10:52] <DarthBurg> sintient as strange as it may seem, I actually do listen to you. it help
[10:53] <TheTailor> 15 fucking lines of incessant whining is enough
[10:53] <Cathy> I have a topic. Anarcho-syndicalism in the Urkaine during the soviet era.
[10:53] <sintient> As in black markets?
[10:54] <Cathy> I like my 50 cent words beter.
[10:54] <DarthBurg> HOUSTON (Reuters) - Oil prices are so high, that oilman Steve Jordan is d
[10:54] <sintient> When the illegal markets provide more than for the people than the governm
[10:54] <DarthBurg> so much for the NIMBY argument.
[10:55] <sintient> Is that the guy drilling in his front yard?
[10:55] <weezyl> Well, it's not in his backyard so much as next door.
[10:55] <DarthBurg> Jordan, 52, said the well will stretch 8,500 feet (2,591 metres) under hi
[10:55] <weezyl> Heh.
[10:56] <weezyl> "Refinery's in the shed."
[10:56] <DarthBurg> building a refinery, now that would be news.
[10:56] <weezyl> What Darth said.
[10:57] <DarthBurg> Hollywood - ABC's upcoming five-hour docudrama ''The Path to 9/11'' is be
[10:57] <DarthBurg> yet republican cries of bias fall on deaf ears
[10:57] <weezyl> Um, wasn't there a big hoorar some years back regarding some CBS thing with
[10:58] <DarthBurg> ayup.
[10:58] <_3Josephs> DarthBurg, the revised version of the movie will have Clinton capturing B
[10:58] <sintient> Sandy Berger and Ben Venista weren't consulted.
[10:58] <TheTailor> sintient, here's something you should learn ---> SUCCINCT - marked by
[10:58] <DarthBurg> Sandy Berger is a crook, Ben Venista's opinion is not valid.
[10:58] <sintient> The head of the 9/11 commision?
[10:58] <DarthBurg> yes
[10:59] <DarthBurg> that ben venista
[10:59] <_3Josephs> hmm, the same Sandy Berger that "accidently" put secret documents in his
[10:59] <sintient> About a documentary based on the 9/11 commision.
[10:59] <DarthBurg> yes, that sandy berger
[10:59] <weezyl> docu-*drama*.
[11:00] <DarthBurg> the other thing is, ABC does a drama on the days leading up to 911, and i
[11:00] <weezyl> ABC did that bird flu lameness, right?
[11:00] <sintient> Something similar happend in the documentary Triple Cross from the Natioal
[11:00] <weezyl> And it's football season?
[11:00] <sintient> ABC is run by disney.
[11:01] <cyberfrg_> screw the media
[11:01] <cyberfrg_> all of it
[11:01] <sintient> Disney isn't left wing.
[11:01] <DarthBurg> lol
[11:01] <weezyl> If I didn't have to, you know, work for a living, I'd be watching football a
[11:01] <DarthBurg> since WHEN is Disney NOT left wing?
[11:02] <weezyl> Does anyone recall that Disney actually decided not to distribute Farenheit
[11:02] <DarthBurg> heh
[11:02] <weezyl> Would a bona-fide left-wing organization let that moneymaker go?
[11:02] <weezyl> Or maybe they would. We liberals, not so much with the cash sense, really. O
[11:03] <DarthBurg> i was not aware f911 made that much money
[11:04] <DarthBurg> what did f911 gross?
[11:04] <weezyl> $119 mil, according to boxofficemojo.com.
[11:04] <weezyl> Production costs were $6M? Wow.
[11:04] <sintient> f911 made enough that moore said download it he didn't mind
[11:04] <DarthBurg> nice
[11:05] <_3Josephs> weezyl, $3m of that was the food budget
[11:05] <sintient> Just wanted people to see and decide for themselves.
[11:05] <sintient> craft services
[11:05] <DarthBurg> yes, thats why f911 was so balanced to both sides.
[11:05] <weezyl> Ha ha! Michael Moore fat jokes *never* get old.
[11:06] <sintient> Hastert big.
[11:07] <weezyl> So'm I.
[11:08] <DarthBurg> Right wing uses ABC docudrama to push debunked claim blaming Clinton admi
[11:09] <DarthBurg> debunked?
[11:09] <weezyl> If they made a documentary of my life, it'd be called "Fat Chick Drinking Co
[11:10] <sintient> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/05/clarke-blasts-abc/
[11:10] <DarthBurg> ABC is suddenly "Right Wing Media" hahahahahahaha
[11:10] <sintient> richard clarke blasts scenes of abc docudrama
[11:10] <weezyl> ABC should sell it to Fox, who can then run it as the bastion of the free ai
[11:10] <DarthBurg> hehe there is an impartial witness
[11:10] <sintient> Fox runs national geographics or they partnered to make the natio geo chan
[11:11] <weezyl> And ABC can go back to Monday Night Football as God intended.
[11:11] <sintient> http://websrvr80il.audiovideoweb.com/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/Berge
[11:12] <sintient> "No such episode ever occured."
[11:12] <DarthBurg> "No such episode ever occured." is not a viable defense, if you are a re
[11:13] <DarthBurg> like say, "No one in the Bush White hous leaked the name of Valerie Plame
[11:13] <DarthBurg> i guess, we are not suppose to actually pay attention, or look for standa
[11:14] <sintient> Armitage just admitted to "blabbing it"
[11:14] <sintient> And novak admitted rove confirmed it.
[11:14] <DarthBurg> and armitage is no friend of the bush admin, so what do you do? ignore i
[11:14] <weezyl> I thought the jury was still out on the Plame case. Literally speaking, that
[11:14] <DarthBurg> naw, its done. over.
[11:14] <sintient> He was in the bush admin.
[11:15] <weezyl> Oh, the puns I refrained from making. :)
[11:15] <sintient> There is a civil case.
[11:15] <DarthBurg> sintient is your argument State is a wholy owned subisdary of the white h
[11:15] <sintient> And there are a few counts of obstruction.
[11:15] <TheTailor> And Fizgerald went on and on knowing it, how odd, why would he do that?
[11:15] <DarthBurg> the civil case will go no where.
[11:15] <sintient> Colin powell worked for bush his men worked for him.
[11:15] <DarthBurg> bah, One count of perjury. thats it.
[11:15] <sintient> Boss of a boss maybe?
[11:15] <DarthBurg> sintient run with it.
[11:15] <DarthBurg> please.
[11:16] * celestia| is now known as celestial
[11:16] <weezyl> I work at a job where my internet access is very curtailed and I have almost
[11:16] <sintient> Powell's job was to sell the iraqi war like he tried to do at the UN, armi
[11:16] <DarthBurg> Powell still supports the war.
[11:16] <DarthBurg> armitage, never.
[11:16] <TheTailor> sintient, he didn't "try", he did.
[11:16] <sintient> He didn't get a new UN resolution did he?
[11:17] <DarthBurg> not the second one, no. I'd have to look at the time line, but I believe
[11:18] <TheTailor> He didn't need one.
[11:18] <sintient> Why would he sell it if he didn't need it?
[11:18] <weezyl> Well, it's lovely chattin' with y'all, but this does not get my housewifely
[11:18] <sintient> Oh yes he wanted a UN resolution and tried to get it but only 4 nations su
[11:18] <TheTailor> Additional information.
[11:18] <weezyl> Have a good one!
[11:19] <DarthBurg> later weez
[11:19] <weezyl> Ciao, Darth.
[11:19] <TheTailor> No, and unless you can show a quote where he says he wanted one sintient,
[11:19] <DarthBurg> it was clear that the UN would not invade Iraq, turns out, they had many
[11:19] <TheTailor> sintient, get that?
[11:20] <sintient> Oh well I am saying why would he go to the UN?
[11:20] <GregE> BP taking the 5th on the corroding pipeline HAHAHAHAHA
[11:20] <sintient> Why does he need to say anything if he doesn't.
[11:20] <TheTailor> Additional information.
[11:21] <TheTailor> We've been over that.
[11:21] <sintient> In my opinion he was trying to sell the war in iraq to the UN.
[11:21] <sintient> I am allowed my opinion.
[11:21] <TheTailor> You didn't need to tell us that.
[11:21] <sintient> I love to express my opinions.
[11:21] <TheTailor> We know it's your opinion when you say it is.
[11:21] <sintient> I say it is.
[11:27] <DarthBurg> amazing.
[11:28] <DarthBurg> so Disney = ABC
[11:28] <DarthBurg> they are interchangable.
[11:28] <td-> i like how the channel topic is telling how to interpret a bush speech
[11:29] <DarthBurg> Bush is not hated here, this is true.
[11:29] <td-> i guess just in case you interpreted it another way
[11:29] <TheTailor> Actually it says misinterpret.
[11:29] <DarthBurg> like claiming bush said things he never did, no one does that.
[11:29] <TheTailor> It doesn't tell you how to interpret it at all.
[11:29] <td-> dont misinterpret = telling you how to interpret
[11:29] <DarthBurg> this dust up over ABC and the 911 documentary/drama is a perfect example
[11:30] <TheTailor> No, it's not an instruction of any type.
[11:30] <DarthBurg> ABC has all ready folded its tent.
[11:32] <_3Josephs> hmm, new tape
[11:35] <td-> from the new al queda leader in iraq no doubt
[11:36] <_3Josephs> no, the home office
[11:37] * _Forbin new World Trade Center designs unveiled: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con
[11:37] <_Forbin> well well well
[11:37] <_Forbin> they made them bigger
[11:37] <_Forbin> whew
[11:37] <rumbleca> bush isn't genocidal, I agree with that. I don't think anybody disagrees w
[11:39] <Herzen> Lots of people disagree with that
[11:39] <Herzen> They're mostly idiots though
[11:39] <Cathy> Therefore suitable only for ignoring.
[11:39] <Fretless> or sheep that follow those around them
[11:40] <rumbleca> but bush overly simplifies a lot of things in his speeches
[11:40] <rumbleca> and doesn't say anything particularily enlightening or interesting that I
[11:40] <TheTailor> Is it still going to be the tallest in the world?
[11:41] <td-> "When we saw the damage the terrorists inflicted on 9/11, our thoughts quickly
[11:41] <td-> what the shit
[11:41] <Fretless> i think those ones in singapore are 1900 + ft
[11:41] <td-> yeah man, i know when i saw 9/11 i immediatly thought of WMD
[11:41] <Fretless> I would not bet on it tho
[11:41] <rumbleca> like, he's still talking about 9/11
[11:42] <rumbleca> how many people ahve died in iraq and he's still talking about 9/11
[11:42] <TheTailor> td-, I did
[11:42] <td-> lol
[11:42] <pilgrim`> not good. very very not good http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/art
[11:42] <RustyFord> rumbleca stfu
[11:42] <RustyFord> god yer an idiot
[11:42] <TheTailor> rumbleca, apples and oranges.
[11:42] <Fretless> here tailor
[11:42] <Fretless> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001338.html
[11:42] <RustyFord> sit there and pisses on the deaths of 1000's of people
[11:43] <Fretless> tallest buildings in the world
[11:43] <rumbleca> yeah rustyford, that's exactly what I'm doing
[11:43] <Fretless> so it qwill be the tallest
[11:43] <rumbleca> very insightful
[11:43] <TheTailor> Fretless, I was just wondering if what theya re going to builld in NYC is
[11:43] * _Forbin Breaking on Drudge: AL JAZEERA BROADCASTS OSAMA MEETING 9/11 HIJACKERS VIDEO
[11:43] <Fretless> yes
[11:43] <TheTailor> The next one built will be taller of course.
[11:44] <Fretless> Rank m ft
[11:44] <Fretless> 1. Taipei 101, Taipei, Taiwan 2004 101 508 1,667
[11:44] <Fretless> 2. Petronas Tower 1, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 1998 88 452 1,483
[11:44] <Fretless> 3. Petronas Tower 2, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia 1998 88 452 1,483
[11:44] <Fretless> current tio 3
[11:44] <Fretless> 1667 is the tallest at the moment
[11:44] <_3Josephs> _Forbin, yes that was the tape I mentioned a little while ago
[11:44] <rumbleca> aren't they building a huge one in uae?
[11:44] <rumbleca> dubai
[11:44] <rumbleca> burj dubai
[11:44] <rumbleca> 2313 feet
[11:45] <Fretless> man
[11:45] <Fretless> that will be a beast
[11:46] <Cathy> How about the X-Seed 3000?
[11:47] <Fretless> have not heard of tha tone cathy
[11:47] <Fretless> that one I said
[11:47] <rumbleca> cathy: is that in france?
[11:47] <RustyFord> I think they should put the entire tower under ground
[11:47] <RustyFord> =)
[11:47] <RustyFord> "the worlds shortest building" heh
[11:48] <cyberfrg_> arcology's remind me of sim city 2000
[11:48] <cyberfrg_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Seed_4000
[11:49] <cyberfrg_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcology
[11:52] <cyberfrg_> makes complete sense really
[11:52] * cyberfrg_ is now known as cyberfrg
[12:00] <tigress^^> hello
[12:01] <DURRRRRRR> hi
[12:02] <tigress^^> how r u?
[12:02] <DURRRRRRR> just fine
[12:02] <tigress^^> :)
[12:03] <DURRRRRRR> AL JAZEERA BROADCASTS OSAMA MEETING 9/11 HIJACKERS VIDEO
[12:03] <DURRRRRRR> hrmm
[12:03] <tigress^^> at this moment?
[12:04] <_3Josephs> happened about an hour ago - has already been mentioned here a couple of
[12:04] <tigress^^> you dont understand aljazera
[12:04] <tigress^^> they tlak in arabic
[12:05] <Herzen> Federal Fisheries Minister Loyola Hearn is promising a war with animal right
[12:05] <Herzen> A declaration calling for such a ban has been signed by 386 lawmakers within
[12:05] <Herzen> Hearn said European politicians have been misinformed by animal rights activ
[12:05] <Herzen> "What happens when they stop the seal hunt? What's next? Is it the slaughter
[12:05] <Herzen> "They're already after chicken. Lobster is becoming a target. So where does
[12:05] <Herzen> lol
[12:05] <Herzen> I like it
[12:07] <CryHavoc> poor Canada...under assault by the PETAs
[12:07] * CryHavoc expects there to be a PETA hunt in Canada soon
[12:07] <Herzen> thats my party in action
[12:07] <Herzen> telling PETA-types to fuck right off
[12:07] <CryHavoc> that will save the 11 Libertarians in Canada from Herzen...
[12:08] <CryHavoc> Herzen can hunt Peta People
[12:08] <CryHavoc> recruit the natives.....
[12:08] <CryHavoc> they can stop PETA cold
[12:08] <Herzen> http://images.bowesonline.com/edopt/208/story/64830.jpg
[12:08] <Herzen> Thats the Fisheries Minister
[12:08] <Herzen> who said that if they want war they got one
[12:09] <CryHavoc> this could get interesting....
[12:09] <CryHavoc> war in Canada...with very few guns...
[12:10] <CryHavoc> well...if they freeze the maple sugar teddy bears.....
[12:11] <CryHavoc> USA fights with PETA all the time...
[12:12] <CryHavoc> any ops present?
[12:12] <DURRRRRRR> On 2006-03-27, singer Morrissey released a statement[40] saying that he w
[12:12] <favicon> thank you
[12:13] <CryHavoc> no loss there
[12:13] <CryHavoc> Morrisey is piffle pop
[12:14] <cyberfrg> all PETA members should DIAF
[12:14] <DURRRRRRR> In the last four years the Canadian government has allowed over one and a
[12:14] <favicon> people "get off" on killing the seals?
[12:15] <cyberfrg> i don't care about stupid seals
[12:15] <cyberfrg> or how they're killed
[12:15] <cyberfrg> it's called the food chain
[12:15] <favicon> remember that time your best friend "got off" inside your girlfriend and th
[12:15] <favicon> good times
[12:15] <favicon> ahh, to be young again
[12:16] <cyberfrg> good times had by most
[12:18] <Harsen> oh
[12:18] <Harsen> durrrr's claims about Canada's seal record
[12:18] <Harsen> are false
[12:18] <Harsen> we allow a certain amount of adult seals to be killed yearly
[12:18] <Harsen> because they overpopulate and starve to death otherwise
[12:18] <Harsen> and its bad for fisheries if we don't clear out enough seals
[12:18] <cyberfrg> they don't care
[12:19] <cyberfrg> they'd rather be overrun by animals then kill a single one
[12:19] <favicon> baby seals should be tortured to death just to make sure they get the point
[12:19] <cyberfrg> they have no concept of over population
[12:19] * Harsen is now known as Herzen
[12:19] <cyberfrg> they need to be killed
[12:19] <cyberfrg> clubbing is the most humane way to do it
[12:19] <rumbleca> harsen: you know what's even worse for the fish? massive overfishing by hu
[12:20] <cyberfrg> rumbleca: i'd rather get the fish then let some seal get it
[12:20] * RustyFord whips out his Louisville
[12:20] <cyberfrg> if it feeds my family
[12:20] <cyberfrg> rumbleca: overfishing is a population problem not a 'clubbing baby seal' p
[12:21] <Herzen> You know what
[12:21] <rumbleca> cyberfrg: what population problem? a fish population problem or a people p
[12:21] <Herzen> I'm not prepared to put humans out of a job
[12:21] <RustyFord> cyberfrg clubs seals for the kinky sex;)
[12:21] <cyberfrg> rumbleca: demand
[12:21] <Herzen> to save some seals from starving
[12:21] <Herzen> i'd rather just club some seals
[12:21] <Herzen> Maybe in your insane mind, seal > human
[12:21] <Herzen> not in mine.
[12:22] <nokturnal> hi
[12:22] <cyberfrg> one of these days our conservation obessions will come back to haunt us
[12:22] <rumbleca> I am more or less undecided about the seal hunt. I mean I don't go out of
[12:22] * nokturnal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thn2BGOj31I&mode=related&search= <-- unexpect
[12:22] <TheTailor> Seals are food.
[12:23] <TheTailor> And clothing.
[12:23] <favicon> they should put a bullet in the seal's brain...oh then people could wear th
[12:23] <RustyFord> JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - Officials are considering an unprecedented pr
[12:23] <RustyFord> nice
[12:23] <rumbleca> thetailor: you wear a lot of seal skin stuff? haha
[12:23] <cyberfrg> favicon: bullets cause holes ... clubbing doesn't
[12:23] <favicon> so you admit, it is about their pelts
[12:24] <favicon> those poor baby seals, why must the make such luxurious handbags
[12:24] <TheTailor> rumbleca, no, but unlike you (because I'm not gay :-) I've had nekkid bea
[12:24] <favicon> "it's real baby seal"
[12:24] <favicon> oh, nothing says love like putting your baby girl into some baby seal fur
[12:24] <holla> HILARY CLINTON !!!! 2008
[12:24] <cyberfrg> favicon: *shrug*, if i was a hunter it would be much cleaner and less expe
[12:25] <rumbleca> cyberfrg: the problem in canada is that they don't protect "canadian water
[12:25] <TheTailor> holla, is that when she retires?
[12:25] <holla> no
[12:25] <holla> president
[12:25] <RustyFord> Hillaries ankles are so swollen she needs monthly ankle lifts just to sto
[12:25] <TheTailor> holla, oh, well that doesn't seem to be in her plan.
[12:26] <favicon> they should line the seals up back to back and put the gun in one of their
[12:26] <TheTailor> holla, are you a roaring woman?
[12:26] <favicon> that's how a genocide is properly done
[12:26] <RustyFord> heh actually its not her ankles that are swollen, her ass really does han
[12:26] <holla> yes
[12:26] <holla> its in her agenda
[12:26] <holla> trust me
[12:26] <TheTailor> I see.
[12:26] <TheTailor> holla, did she state that?
[12:26] <rumbleca> thetailor: just for the record, I am not gay
[12:26] <holla> she is running for office
[12:26] <holla> yes
[12:26] <holla> i know her personally
[12:27] <RustyFord> Hillarys favorite song "I'm a woman and I'm a whore"
[12:27] <TheTailor> holla, I don't remember her anouncing that, do you have a cite?
[12:27] <favicon> wanna talk about fat ankles, boy my girlfriend's ankles are so fat that whe
[12:27] <holla> no
[12:27] <TheTailor> holla, we all know her personally on IRC :-)
[12:27] <holla> its low key right now
[12:27] <TheTailor> holla, ahh, so she hasn't decided.
[12:28] <RustyFord> Hillary's ankles are so fat, Bill often mentions how much they resemble a
[12:28] <TimothyT> Even Islamic Women Followers are being debased in the the sight of the Muj
[12:28] <DarthBurg> the best fat jokes require aerial photography
[12:28] <holla> nah she just hasnt releaesed it yet
[12:28] <TheTailor> holla, right, because she hasn't decided.
[12:28] <holla> she is waiting for primaries
[12:28] * suna sighs. The brilliant republican/conservative arguments against hillary clinton. "SHE
[12:28] <TheTailor> suna, who made that argument?
[12:29] <suna> it's all I ever hear about her
[12:29] <DarthBurg> suna's defense of Hillary? Republicans are mean. where have we heard t
[12:29] <suna> at least 95% of it;p
[12:29] <TheTailor> suna, you never heard it from me.
[12:29] <rumbleca> favicon: are you feeling alright?
[12:29] <DarthBurg> suna, not from me.
[12:29] <cyberfrg> screw the left and screw the right
[12:29] <RustyFord> well suna, its the truth
[12:30] <DarthBurg> since when did the truth have anything to do with it
[12:30] <RustyFord> she is uglier than a blob of cream cheese on a baked potato
[12:30] <TheTailor> RustyFord, I don't know what her husband has to do with it.
[12:30] <RustyFord> haha tailor
[12:30] <RustyFord> hahahha want a funny picture?
[12:31] <RustyFord> picture Hillary and Bill getting it on
[12:31] <TheTailor> naa, I have an appointment
[12:31] <suna> what's funny about that?
[12:31] <RustyFord> "I'mma gonna smack dat ass!"
[12:31] <suna> picture your parents getting it on
[12:31] <suna> it's about as funny as that
[12:31] <RustyFord> suna, my parents are dead to me
[12:31] <suna> gross != funny, at least not always;p
[12:31] <RustyFord> not to mention divorced when i was like 1 years old
[12:32] <RustyFord> well it is kind of funny that Hillary first came on the big political sce
[12:32] <RustyFord> and yet here she is
[12:33] <RustyFord> in fact one could say that song fits her to a T
[12:33] <DarthBurg> ayup, Hillary stayed with Bill for political reasons, and she thinks it g
[12:33] <DarthBurg> amazing.
[12:33] <rumbleca> The military commission will be able to exclude a prisoner, under certain
[12:33] <rumbleca> interesting
[12:33] <DarthBurg> rumbleca good.
[12:34] <rumbleca> Evidence from torture will not be allowed, but evidence from tough interro
[12:34] <DarthBurg> kind of the whole reason we did not want the terrorist savages in the jud
[12:34] <DarthBurg> but hey, that Bush, he is just a whacko
[12:34] <RustyFord> i geuss Hillary has shown us all that even she is above the politics of p
[12:34] <DarthBurg> trying to actually win the war n stuff
[12:34] <byLL> September 7, 2006 -- WASHINGTON - A furious Bill Clinton is warning ABC that i
[12:35] <DarthBurg> ABC folded
[12:35] <rumbleca> sounds pretty fair to me, unless you are a terrorist of course. an ALLEGED
[12:35] <byLL> Clinton pointedly refuted several fictionalized scenes that he claims insinua
[12:35] <RustyFord> bYll I LOVE IT!
[12:35] <DarthBurg> and right wing complaints of media bias still go largely ignored.
[12:35] <RustyFord> they are trying to say that the CIA director George Tenet is not a part o
[12:35] <RustyFord> i almost fell out of my chair laughing
[12:35] <rumbleca> darthburg: that's because those complaints are laughable
[12:35] <byLL> The former president also disputed the portrayal of then-Secretary of State M
[12:35] <byLL> "The content of this drama is factually and incontrovertibly inaccurate and AB
[12:36] <DarthBurg> oh the donks all ready got Bill's back, claiming the "Wall" those evil re
[12:36] <RustyFord> and then they try to say that it was the "Joint chiefs of staff that info
[12:36] <RustyFord> its completely and utterly bullshit
[12:36] <suna> someone show me evidence that "a top adviser pulled the plug on CIA operatives
[12:36] <RustyFord> its just more of Bill Clinton trying to pass the buck and trying to pass
[12:36] <DarthBurg> well, they had to cancel the miniseries on Joe Wilson, so they are doing
[12:37] <RustyFord> suna, George Tenet pulled the plug
[12:37] <DarthBurg> suna Frank Toricelli ring a bell?
[12:37] <RustyFord> even the 9/11 commission sited it
[12:37] <DarthBurg> its a good thing no self respecting media darling would ask a donkey abou
[12:38] <RustyFord> and if i recall right George Tenet is a part of the presidents cabinet
[12:38] <RustyFord> if not, then there are some VERY VERY serious issues with the way our CIA
[12:38] <FreeTimer> Howdy.. Started my day at 4:30 am this morning so I a back early.
[12:38] <DarthBurg> ya think?
[12:39] <DarthBurg> FreeTimer its all good. ABC folded on Donkey complaints of Bias
[12:39] <DarthBurg> ABC will "Fix" it
[12:39] <DarthBurg> as per sandy berger
[12:39] <FreeTimer> well I dont watch ABC ;)
[12:39] <DarthBurg> no one does
[12:39] <FreeTimer> In fact I dont get it on cable.
[12:39] <FreeTimer> If I am deseperate I can get it by antenna
[12:39] * gehicks is now known as jhicks
[12:39] <DarthBurg> ABC's radio division is paying the bills nicely
[12:40] <RustyFord> FT, did you get your package yesterday on time?
[12:40] <RustyFord> =)
[12:41] <FreeTimer> Rusty, I sure did! Yep.. And I love it.
[12:41] <RustyFord> good, cool
[12:41] <RustyFord> thats amazing how fast
[12:41] <RustyFord> i am pretty shocked
[12:41] <FreeTimer> I usually am always a tiny bit dissapointed by a machine but not this one
[12:42] <RustyFord> they did that with my Sony digital camera FT
[12:42] <RustyFord> i was amazed when i i got it, but they played football with it
[12:42] <FreeTimer> It was fast.
[12:42] <RustyFord> you could see how it was completely dropp kicked a few times and stuff, i
[12:42] <FreeTimer> Lenders are getting crazy..
[12:43] <RustyFord> and the inner packaging wasn't even that great
[12:43] <L0c0> Rusty: what shipping company?
[12:44] <L0c0> ihave had boxes banged up by USPS and UPS before
[12:44] <RustyFord> WASHINGTON - A furious Bill Clinton is warning ABC that its mini-series "
[12:44] <RustyFord> sounds like they are going to try and redefine the word "is" again
[12:45] <RustyFord> Clinton administration denied that the plan to strike bin-Laden was abort
[12:45] <FreeTimer> WEll my dissapointment I mean is in the product itself, for example the l
[12:45] <RustyFord> The reps for an outraged Clinton wrote to Iger that "no such episode ever
[12:45] <RustyFord> But the 9/11 commission reported that it was a member of the U.S. Joint C
[12:45] <RustyFord> and sorry but thats HIGHLY suspect, considering that a notice like that w
[12:45] <FreeTimer> my 12.1 feels like a 14" full size keyboard and yet very compact which ma
[12:46] <RustyFord> FT, is the CIA director part of the presidential administration or not?
[12:47] <FreeTimer> Rusty, Yes technically, he is appointed by the president.
[12:47] <FreeTimer> But his role is not political
[12:48] <L0c0> whoa
[12:48] <FreeTimer> his role is to advise the president on intelligence matters, and the pres
[12:48] <L0c0> check this shit out: http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2006/09/07/vonat.
[12:48] <L0c0> this reporter gets attacked by the husband of some woman he's trying to interv
[12:48] <L0c0> fucked up the reporter
[12:48] <FreeTimer> What I mean is its not supposed to be the way Valerie Plame set up Cheney
[12:48] <FreeTimer> Historically the CIA has been pretty strict about those kind of shenaniga
[12:48] <RustyFord> FT, right but the CIA directors boss is the president
[12:48] <L0c0> FreeTimer: if it happens in DC, it's political
[12:49] <L0c0> leaking information, kissing a baby, fucking an intern...it's all political
[12:49] <RustyFord> so if George Tenet quashed the attack on bin-Laden, then Clintons adminis
[12:49] <FreeTimer> Reagans CIA director probably was too cozy with him. And was involved in
[12:49] <RustyFord> period
[12:49] <RustyFord> end of the double talking bullshit then by Clinton the fuckhead
[12:50] <TimothyT> Bruce Lindsey can shut the fuck up !
[12:50] <RustyFord> i would love to see a political opponent finally look at Clinton and say
[12:50] <RustyFord> and watch Clinton just lose his cool
[12:50] <FreeTimer> Anything Clinton did which diverted him from taking action or any decisio
[12:50] <RustyFord> i have always blamed Clinton for 9/11
[12:50] <TimothyT> Former President Bill Clinton can shut the fuck up !
[12:51] * RustyFord nods at FT
[12:51] <RustyFord> thats the way i see it as well
[12:51] <FreeTimer> And if getting laid and hiding it and covering it up and sneaking it and
[12:51] <rumbleca> military solution with iran is not really possible
[12:51] <RustyFord> i mean he didn't DO the act, but i find that his irresponsible actions wh
[12:51] <TimothyT> rumbleca : yes it is !
[12:51] <FreeTimer> if it didnt effect his work, then arguably it didnt effect american.
[12:52] <FreeTimer> America.
[12:52] <rumbleca> iran will continue to use iraq to fight the us
[12:52] <FreeTimer> But I think having a president of low breeding is probably not good for t
[12:52] <FreeTimer> Now call that elitist if you want.
[12:52] <TimothyT> rumbleca : lets teach them a lesson in Iraq then !
[12:52] <FreeTimer> But if the President isnt elite who should be ?
[12:52] <rumbleca> freetimer: who are you talking about exactly?
[12:52] <RustyFord> ehhh i don't think breeding has to much to do with it, Truman i thought w
[12:53] <cyberfrg> i think that i'd rather have a president who can't do public speeches who
[12:53] <rumbleca> who has "low breeding"
[12:53] <FreeTimer> Truman at the time of his presidency was considered lousy.
[12:53] <RustyFord> yeap FT
[12:53] <RustyFord> but years years later we have come to realise that he was a great presidn
[12:53] <FreeTimer> He benefited from time.. As time went by after his presidency his reputat
[12:53] <L0c0> FT: what's meant by "low breeding"?
[12:53] <L0c0> FreeTimer: somebody not born into wealth?
[12:53] <RustyFord> now JFK in my mind wasn't a great president
[12:54] <FreeTimer> He was considered not very intelligent, Not very worldly, not too bright.
[12:54] <RustyFord> i can't really name one great thing that JFK did
[12:54] <FreeTimer> I dont think wealth makes someone well born.
[12:54] <FreeTimer> Nor academics
[12:54] <RustyFord> this is true FT
[12:54] <FreeTimer> I think a good middle class background is fine..
[12:54] <L0c0> somebody that wasn't born into wealth probably has a better idea of what the a
[12:54] <FreeTimer> Clinton was poor white trailor trash..
[12:55] <cyberfrg> FreeTimer: do you think any normal joe could be president?
[12:55] <FreeTimer> No I think both extremes are dangerous.
[12:55] <GregE> mad albright in an uproar over that new 9-11 film that shows her to be the tr
[12:55] <RustyFord> cyber yes, with the right charisma and such,
[12:55] <FreeTimer> Someone to in touch with the poor is likely to be more socialist.
[12:55] <RustyFord> the ability to lead is very very important
[12:55] <L0c0> that says "if i can do it, you can do it"
[12:55] <FreeTimer> Someone too elitist who never worked or owned a buisness is likely to not
[12:56] <cyberfrg> i'm considering running when i turn 35 heh
[12:56] <RustyFord> its not a matter of what you can do while you are in office, its a matter
[12:56] <rumbleca> bush's buisnesses didn't go to well
[12:56] <GregE> rumbleca, a lot of people bankrupt a business or two ... it happens.
[12:56] <FreeTimer> People from the lower classes who worked up into the middle class and did
[12:56] <RustyFord> without the ability to lead you can hang it up
[12:56] <rumbleca> plus its the oil industry, anybody can make money in the oil industry
[12:56] <FreeTimer> But Yes I think there are potential problems inherent with the poor and t
[12:56] <L0c0> FreeTimer: owning a business doesn't mean you understand economics... owning a
[12:56] <L0c0> hehe
[12:56] <FreeTimer> Thats my own elitist opinion.
[12:57] <GregE> rumbleca wrong ... oil exploration and other related oil businesses go belly
[12:57] <FreeTimer> L0c0, A guy who has had a business which has never failed usually doesnt
[12:57] <RustyFord> in some ways thats whats going on with Ahmadinejad and Chavez at the mome
[12:57] <L0c0> rembleca: not really...its gotten harder and harder for small producers to car
[12:57] <RustyFord> they have the ability to lead with the backing of the ruling class of Ira
[12:57] <FreeTimer> Someoen who inherits their dads business which always made money is not g
[12:57] <L0c0> Freetimer: come back..and failed again
[12:57] <L0c0> and agian
[12:58] <L0c0> then there's that whole texas rangers thing
[12:58] <FreeTimer> Someone who went bankrupt and taxes harmed him, and regulations and then
[12:58] <RustyFord> while in America the rich lefties are doing everything in their power to
[12:58] <L0c0> no matter how people try to spin it, bush is a child of priviledge....his name
[12:58] <GregE> you learn from your mistakes ... you try again .. and again yes
[12:58] <L0c0> that i firmly believe
[12:58] <FreeTimer> Its difficult, Failure is a much greater teacher than success.. BUT if yo
[12:58] <L0c0> he's not a "man of the people"
[12:58] <RustyFord> and lets face it, the rich in the USA are carrying more of the burden of
[12:59] <FreeTimer> iF YOU LEARN THE lessons of failure then I put you above any successful b
[12:59] <RustyFord> otherwise why would the rich be so pissed off at Bush?
[12:59] <L0c0> wealthy is as wealthy does :-)
[12:59] <L0c0> well i'll give you that
[12:59] <L0c0> If there's one thing Dubya knows a lot about..it's failure
[12:59] <FreeTimer> The rich are not pissed off at Bush, the leftwing and the religious right
[12:59] <RustyFord> i loved hearing Clinton and Gates and such complaining about how low thei
[13:00] <RustyFord> isn't it better to give than to be forced to give?
[13:00] <FreeTimer> The Stock market folks, the small business folks, are very happy with Bus
[13:00] <GregE> soros and buffest are pissed at bush ...
[13:01] <GregE> but soros is a scumbag who would sell his own family
[13:01] <FreeTimer> People who are stinking rich can afford to be extreme environmentalists,
[13:01] <RustyFord> GregE thats what i am saying, the rich lefties
[13:01] <FreeTimer> People who are well off but not filthy rich, $4 a gallon for gas bothers
[13:01] <RustyFord> 3$ a gallon was killing me for a while
[13:01] <GregE> soros plays the nice guy ... its all an act ... he opens educational and news
[13:01] <FreeTimer> The Government of Thailand would probably hang Soros if they got him ;)
[13:02] <RustyFord> the market fluctuation has made it near impossible to stay in the market
[13:02] <GregE> Soros is an evil evil manipulative blood suckin conman.
[13:02] <RustyFord> i was high on the hog there for a while
[13:02] <GregE> RustyFord don't marry your stocks
[13:02] <GregE> lol
[13:02] <suna> why is blood suckin always paired with evil?
[13:02] <FreeTimer> He destablized thier money by speculation.. Which is in a sense kind of l
[13:02] <RustyFord> once the market started going hay wire i had to get out
[13:02] <GregE> you need a broker to be active nowadays
[13:02] <suna> is it really that evil? Vampires arn't real, sucking somebody's blood doesn't
[13:03] <rumbleca> interesting, soros was a student of karl popper
[13:03] <GregE> but most brokers follow the herd ... then trouble strikes
[13:03] <RustyFord> GregE i should have listened to a friend of mine about gold
[13:03] <SvX> why do people say we are at war in iraq? we won the war. we went to war against
[13:03] <FreeTimer> Hes a guy who made money by being lucky or ballsy or whatever, he investe
[13:03] <RustyFord> i thought that it would be more fluctuating than it is, now its to high t
[13:03] <SvX> someone tell me
[13:03] <RustyFord> Svx=) thats the question of the century
[13:03] <RustyFord> hahah
[13:03] <GregE> yea well no one saw gold go like that
[13:04] <rumbleca> svx: what's going on now then?
[13:04] <GregE> well soros and buffet were betting and trash talking the dollar would hit $1.
[13:04] <SvX> the US is more like in war against iraqi criminals. but you can't win. who decl
[13:04] <FreeTimer> The irony is he is the poster child of the non working, non business owni
[13:05] <FreeTimer> make = made a fortune
[13:05] <RustyFord> SvX i loved hearing today that Iraq put to death 27-28 murderers and rapi
[13:05] <RustyFord> Europe is crying
[13:05] <SvX> lol
[13:05] <SvX> aren't most Europeans Christian?
[13:05] <RustyFord> i am like put some more of those fuckers to death
[13:05] <SvX> Christian's beleive in capital punishment. its in the Bible
[13:05] <RustyFord> start having mass hangings
[13:06] <RustyFord> its amazing what mass hanging and mass executions do to quell the populac
[13:06] <GregE> not if the populace is heavily inbred ...
[13:06] <rumbleca> svx: jesus never said that
[13:06] <FreeTimer> Yeah I heard there was good news in iraq I didnt get the details, Had to
[13:06] <RustyFord> look at our wild west
[13:06] <SvX> they need public executions!!
[13:06] <GregE> the iraqi people are heavily inbred
[13:06] <RustyFord> they started hanging a bunch of mo-fo's
[13:06] <SvX> rumbleca yes he did. thou who sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed
[13:06] <RustyFord> and it put a foot in the ass of the criminal element and brought some sor
[13:06] <SvX> thats from the bible
[13:07] <rumbleca> svx: that's not jesus
[13:07] <RustyFord> FT, Iraq has been handed over to the Iraqi military today officially
[13:07] <suna> so, like so many other morons out there, I will take the statement literally a
[13:07] <SvX> rumbleca there are more quates
[13:07] <FreeTimer> Hmm
[13:07] <RustyFord> we will only be "back up" now instead of having a lead roll
[13:08] <suna> of course, that's a literal interpretation of a translation of a translation o
[13:08] <suna> ;p
[13:08] <RustyFord> Iraqs army is made up of 240,000 Iraqis
[13:08] <RustyFord> obviously they will still need some help
[13:08] <SvX> RustyFord how many are loyal to the govnment?
[13:08] <FreeTimer> I think Ill take a shower.. Rusty I guess thats good, They need to pacify
[13:08] <FreeTimer> Well BBL.
[13:08] <RustyFord> they are talking by the end of the year there will be near 1 million Iraq
[13:09] <RustyFord> FT, if the Iraqi army can take baghdad and pacify it themselves?
[13:09] <RustyFord> that will be a HUGE HUGE morale booster
[13:09] <Herzen> whats a good HTML editor program ?
[13:09] <SvX> we get rid of saddam hussein, invest a SH8T load of money into their country, a
[13:09] <SvX> it still has the potential
[13:09] <RustyFord> SvX, i think that there is a lot more to this story , stay tuned
[13:09] <SvX> but for some reason a lot of them just love anarchy
[13:10] <RustyFord> i think we are going to see half of Iraq go to Iran =/
[13:10] <SweetLeaf> Better hurry up Barny Fag wants to cut funding to Iraq
[13:10] <rumbleca> herzen: notepad
[13:10] <RustyFord> I seriously hope not
[13:10] <SvX> SweetLeaf shush you fag
[13:10] <RustyFord> but i think that will be the case
[13:10] <GregE> I don't know what the hell we will see with iraq ... they're INBRED ... I don
[13:10] <rumbleca> grege: are you inbred as well?
[13:10] <rumbleca> sounds like it
[13:11] <GregE> rumbleca, did I strike a nerve?
[13:11] <SweetLeaf> Just like Nam congress cut spending on it and down it went
[13:11] <GregE> them are the facts ... a lot of 1st cousin marriages in iraq ...
[13:11] <SvX> why did we even go to war in iraq? yeah it needed to be done, mass grave yards
[13:11] <GregE> rumbleca deal with the facts ...
[13:11] <rumbleca> grege: no nerve except the one that says you are ignorant
[13:12] <GregE> I'm ignorant because the fact is iraqis are havily inbred? ugh yea ok.
[13:12] <rumbleca> grege: yep
[13:12] <GregE> lol rumbleca ... great logic there.
[13:12] <RustyFord> you guys want to see something interesting
[13:12] <RustyFord> a 'scenario'
[13:13] <RustyFord> democrats gain control of congress and senate, Iraq becomes a MAJOR MAJOR
[13:13] <rumbleca> grege: you really should figure out who you are getting your facts from
[13:13] <RustyFord> in 2008, democrats will have to take responsibility for it
[13:13] <GregE> rumbleca, show me they aren't
[13:13] <RustyFord> they will lose even MORE seats than they have lack of today
[13:14] <RustyFord> every republican running for office will be able to stand up and say "TOL
[13:14] <sintient> I don't like the implications of that.
[13:14] <rumbleca> grege: show me they are more inbred than you
[13:14] <SvX> George Washington said that if the US government is unjust the US people have t
[13:14] <GregE> Rooted in ancient custom, consanguinity is nonetheless widespread in the Arab
[13:14] <sintient> Almost like you are hoping things go badly for politcal reasons.
[13:14] <GregE> lol rumbleca .. you have been reduced to a fool ...
[13:15] <tigress^^> hello
[13:15] <rumbleca> grege: you didn't reduce anything, go home
[13:15] <sintient> But what if democrats open up diplomatic relations with these countries ge
[13:15] <GregE> In Iraq, as in much of the region, nearly half of all married couples are fir
[13:16] <GregE> SADDAM married his 1st cousin ... HAAHHAHAHAAHAHA
[13:16] <GregE> rumbleca, keep flapping your gums ... all you got.
[13:16] <rumbleca> grege: you are just proving that you are a racist moron
[13:16] <RustyFord> <@Randall> bofh``_: you use slack ware you should be getting some e
[13:16] <GregE> no I'm not ... I'm just showing you saddam married his 1st cousin ...
[13:16] <sintient> How far back does europe have to go for some numbers like that?
[13:16] <GregE> rumbleca can't hack it ... it's all bent out of shape that iraqis are inbred
[13:17] * GregE hands rumbleca a tissue ...
[13:17] <sintient> Closed societies were very common reallly.
[13:17] <GregE> mom, dad ... I wanna marry my first cousin and have kids too!
[13:17] <sintient> Keeping the wealth in the family. People didn't know about genetics, and g
[13:18] <GregE> someone tell them in the muslim world then ... cause turkey is the only musli
[13:18] <GregE> from north africa to india in the muslim world this is how it is ... mixed bl
[13:18] <GregE> you wont find a turk strapping tnt to himself for allah and blowing up kids
[13:19] <sintient> When they get satelite tv with discovery medicine they will see some shows
[13:20] <sintient> Well there is the PKK I am pretty sure they have turkish suicide bombers.
[13:20] <sintient> I don't know what they have targeted though.
[13:20] <sintient> http://www.greatestjeneration.com/archives/001519.php there is the report
[13:20] <rumbleca> keep it coming greg
[13:20] <GregE> yea those are kurds though
[13:20] <GregE> rumbleca waaaah aaaah ... waaaahahahaha
[13:21] <RustyFord> ahhhhh
[13:21] <RustyFord> kurds and weigh
[13:21] <sintient> I really wonder if Mexican or Latino voters are more for immigation reform
[13:21] <GregE> and guess what? kurds like marrying within the family ... see the pattern her
[13:22] <SvX> get a life you internet nerds
[13:23] <sintient> hehe
[13:24] <sintient> "you nerds" not that I am on the internet or anything
[13:24] <GregE> lol
[13:25] <stevey14> God bless Pres. Bush
[13:27] <cyberfrg> lol
[13:29] <stevey14> hi all
[13:30] <TimothyT> The Debate in the UN with President of Iran versus President George W. Bus
[13:30] <TimothyT> Ahmadinejad I won Cuba I won Venezuala I won Iran I won North Korea and I
[13:30] <TimothyT> then Bush says hold on lets vote for War against Iran I got the Coalition
[13:30] <TimothyT> And if you don't vote yes your ass is out of the UN !
[13:31] <brouhaha> two idiots debating live at the UN
[13:31] <brouhaha> it should be on comedy central
[13:31] <brouhaha> beavis and butthead
[13:33] <sintient> They could do it on the internet you know what they say about fighting on
[13:34] <brouhaha> sintient: yes...
[13:35] <rumbleca> http://bushspeech.org
[13:35] <sintient> This lady on tucker's show is normally out of her mind.
[13:36] <RustyFord> the president of Iran has no moral high ground to debate Bush
[13:36] <cyberfrg> he would destroy bush
[13:36] <RustyFord> especially when his country lied for 20 years while working on nuclear te
[13:37] <RustyFord> not to mention the killings and the disrespect for its common citizens an
[13:37] <RustyFord> nay, Ahmadinejad would get owned
[13:37] <brouhaha> he really would destroy bush
[13:38] <RustyFord> he would ? how?
[13:38] <brouhaha> the lesser of two idiots if you will
[13:38] <rumbleca> ahmadinejad is a better speaker than bush
[13:38] <RustyFord> heh
[13:38] <brouhaha> because bush can hardly string two words together
[13:38] <Herzen> All Bush has to do is ask Ahmadinejad about the holocaust
[13:38] <Herzen> and Ahmadinejad loses the debate
[13:38] <Herzen> because hes crazy.
[13:38] <RustyFord> and you have heard Ahmadinejad speak in english?
[13:38] <rumbleca> herzen: doubtful
[13:38] <brouhaha> all ahmadinejhad has to do is ask bush about israel
[13:38] <RustyFord> do you understand Farsi?
[13:38] <brouhaha> bush loses the debate
[13:38] <RustyFord> what about Israel?
[13:39] <Herzen> If you think that support for Israel and denial of the Holocaust are equivil
[13:39] <RustyFord> Israel has been supported by democrats and republican presidents through
[13:39] <rumbleca> rustyford: I don't understand farsi but there are translations
[13:39] <L0c0> Rustyford: is it hard to understand?
[13:39] <RustyFord> so..... whats your point?
[13:39] <brouhaha> Herzen: no i don't
[13:39] <Herzen> Then stop equating them shit for brains.
[13:39] <brouhaha> but they're both wrong
[13:40] <brouhaha> i'm not equating them
[13:40] <cyberfrg> lol
[13:40] <Herzen> Sure you are.
[13:40] <stevey14> I think the GOP will pick up 10 or 15 seats in the Senate, and 25 to 30 se
[13:40] <brouhaha> but bush hasn't a leg to stand on over the middle east
[13:40] <RustyFord> brouhaha? who does?
[13:40] <brouhaha> the us government has been fucking the arab in the ass for 50 years
[13:40] <RustyFord> Iranians aren't arabs
[13:40] <cyberfrg> brouhaha: they deserve it
[13:40] <brouhaha> cyberfrg: clearly you have a case to argue here
[13:40] <RustyFord> brouhaha how has the USA been fucking arabs in the ass for 50 years
[13:40] <RustyFord> please explain this
[13:41] <RustyFord> this should be good
[13:41] <cyberfrg> brouhaha: no need to argue
[13:41] <GregE> arabs have been screwing 1st cousins for countless generations ...
[13:41] <rumbleca> rustyford: saudia is one example
[13:41] <RustyFord> i mean you want to talk about idiots......
[13:41] <RustyFord> brouhaha tell us , explain to us how arabs have been getting fucked by th
[13:42] <RustyFord> and?
[13:42] <GregE> we paid for the oil
[13:42] <GregE> we pay for it
[13:42] <RustyFord> "crickets"
[13:42] <RustyFord> we BUY oil
[13:42] <RustyFord> they SELL oil
[13:43] <stevey14> Pres. bush is one of the greatest presidents in our nation's history
[13:43] <GregE> the saudis would be living in tents if we didn't
[13:43] <GregE> if we wanted to yea we could have TAKEN & ROBBED saudi oil ...
[13:43] <brouhaha> yeah
[13:43] <rumbleca> the saudi regime is a violent and oppressive regime and usa supports it
[13:43] <brouhaha> what nice people you are!
[13:43] <GregE> we pay market price for oil
[13:43] <brouhaha> as is israel
[13:44] <brouhaha> look at the recent conflict with lebanon
[13:44] <GregE> as is every other arab country ... your point?
[13:44] <RustyFord> brouhaha you have yet to explain to us how the USA is fucking the arabs i
[13:44] <brouhaha> the israelis killed 10 times the amount of lebanese
[13:44] <brouhaha> times 10
[13:44] <RustyFord> so i would suggest you take your hate filled idiocy to another channel th
[13:44] <brouhaha> and the us supports this
[13:44] <rumbleca> iraq was a violent and oppressive regime and usa supported it until it sta
[13:44] <brouhaha> i'm not hate filled
[13:44] <RustyFord> brouhaha, so the lebanese shouldn't be starting wars with Israel
[13:44] <cyberfrg> soo, by supporting saudi's we are fucking them in the ass?
[13:44] <RustyFord> and they won't be killed
[13:44] <GregE> we didn't support saddam
[13:44] <brouhaha> RustyFord: they didn't start the war
[13:44] <brouhaha> a section of them did
[13:44] <GregE> we just helped him protect his inbred ass against the inbred iranians
[13:44] <brouhaha> GregE: you pout him in power
[13:45] <GregE> we disd not
[13:45] <GregE> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh
[13:45] <brouhaha> you trained osama
[13:45] <byLL> ABC caves in to the Democrats - http://www.calendarlive.com/tv/cl-wk-channel7s
[13:45] <GregE> we put saddam into power????
[13:45] <GregE> lol
[13:45] <cyberfrg> the idiocy of people is astounding
[13:45] <rumbleca> grege: who started the iran iraq war?
[13:45] <L0c0> hehe
[13:45] <GregE> iran and iraq ... it's been going on for hundreds of years ...
[13:45] <L0c0> here's something some of you might enjoy: http://media.spikedhumor.com/1260610
[13:45] <GregE> lol
[13:45] <L0c0> how fiber optics are made
[13:45] <RustyFord> brouhaha it doesn't matter
[13:45] <GregE> before the US was created lol
[13:45] <stevey14> only idiots in here are liberal dems\
[13:45] <L0c0> pretty interesting process
[13:45] <RustyFord> if Idaho national guard invaded Canada
[13:46] <Herzen> Saddam Hussein started the Iran-Iraq war
[13:46] <RustyFord> Canada would declare war
[13:46] <RustyFord> i would EXPECT THEM TO
[13:46] <RustyFord> if Lebanon wants to live with terrorists and support those terrorists
[13:46] <RustyFord> well so be it
[13:46] <RustyFord> when the terrorists start wars thats what will happen
[13:46] <Herzen> Oh, and Jimmy Carter
[13:46] <Herzen> lol
[13:46] <starly> sintient, you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: Harassment in m
[13:46] <rumbleca> rustyford: if idaho invaded canada the usa would not bomb new york
[13:47] <RustyFord> Lebanese were able to get rid of Syria
[13:47] <RustyFord> but they are unwilling to get rid of the terrorist organisation of Hezbol
[13:47] <brouhaha> what's the deal with these torture camps the admin has recently admitted t
[13:47] <RustyFord> thats THEIR problem
[13:47] <RustyFord> brouhaha stay on topic
[13:47] <brouhaha> turns out amnesty international were right
[13:47] <RustyFord> i still want to know how the USA has FUCKED arabs
[13:47] <brouhaha> it is on topic
[13:47] <RustyFord> i still want to know how the USA has FUCKED arabs
[13:47] <pilgrim`> Lebanon has always been then "Zurich of the middle east" a place of money
[13:47] <RustyFord> explain this to us
[13:48] <RustyFord> you know what i want to see, I want to see the USA become energy independ
[13:48] <pilgrim`> Lebanono can to some degree control Beirut...some...has no control at ALL
[13:48] <RustyFord> then we will see a good ass fucking
[13:49] <FreeTimer> Man, That shower was needed.
[13:49] <pilgrim`> if you want a good measure of any government's control: WHO CAN THEY TAX?
[13:49] <brouhaha> RustyFord: i'm full of hatred? ha
[13:49] <pilgrim`> how much tax athority does Mogadishu have int he rest of Somalia for exam
[13:49] <stevey14> Lebanon needs to rid itself of Hezbolla\
[13:49] <brouhaha> what an asshole
[13:49] <brouhaha> lebanon is hezbollah
[13:49] <RustyFord> brouhaha, you have yet to explain to us the ass fucking arabs have gotten
[13:49] <brouhaha> a large portion of it
[13:49] <pilgrim`> or Karatchi int he Tribal regions near the Kyber
[13:50] <RustyFord> brouhaha, ok then, so the hezbollah started a war with Israel
[13:50] <brouhaha> no they didn't
[13:50] <brouhaha> LOL
[13:50] <pilgrim`> the power to tax is the measure of control
[13:50] <rumbleca> rustyford: I presume you are ignoring me otherwise I have given several ex
[13:50] <RustyFord> uhmmmm
[13:50] <brouhaha> are you insane?
[13:50] <RustyFord> then who did brouhaha?
[13:50] <brouhaha> the israelis started that conflict
[13:50] <RustyFord> who kidnapped the israeli soldiers?
[13:50] <brouhaha> hezbollah
[13:50] <Westwrk-> who fired rockets into haifa?
[13:50] <brouhaha> that's not starting a war
[13:50] <Westwrk-> bullshit its not
[13:50] <brouhaha> they fired the rockets to defend themselves
[13:50] <RustyFord> and you just stated <+brouhaha> lebanon is hezbollah
[13:50] <Westwrk-> its a provocative act of war
[13:51] <brouhaha> after the israelis went in
[13:51] <pilgrim`> brouhaha is hostage taking at a post office?
[13:51] <Westwrk-> to defend theirselves? you are truely a moron
[13:51] <RustyFord> brouhaha, hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel for quite some ti
[13:51] <brouhaha> by a section of the community
[13:51] <pilgrim`> how about illegal aliens literally ont he beach?
[13:51] <brouhaha> the the entire country
[13:51] <RustyFord> brouhaha, tough beans
[13:51] <brouhaha> tht's like the UK bombing ireland after an IRA blew up a pub in london
[13:51] <RustyFord> the entire country should have done something against those criminal acts
[13:51] <FreeTimer> Israel, Gave up Gaza, There reward was 1000 katusha rockets into Israel..
[13:51] <brouhaha> would you support that?
[13:51] <RustyFord> but they didn't
[13:52] <pilgrim`> the former was lead by a fellow named COllins in Dublin, the later by a Wi
[13:52] <RustyFord> brouhaha yes i would support that
[13:52] <RustyFord> idiot
[13:52] <brouhaha> lol
[13:52] <pilgrim`> was either cause for war?
[13:52] <brouhaha> then you're a tit
[13:52] <FreeTimer> Hezbollah murders IDF soilders and then kidnaps two. Israel retaliates..
[13:52] <RustyFord> the only tit here is you
[13:52] <stevey14> i am a neo-con, we support making the whole Middle East democratic, (small
[13:52] <Herzen> The left blames Israel for acts of self-defense all the time
[13:52] <RustyFord> and we are still waiting for your explanation of how the USA has "fucked
[13:52] <brouhaha> a section of a community attacks another state so it's justified in bombin
[13:53] <RustyFord> brouhaha Israel didn't bomb the entire nation
[13:53] <pilgrim`> war is a normal human response to many things, but to any threat to nati
[13:53] <RustyFord> stop being a drama queen
[13:53] <RustyFord> no amount of photoshopping will ever show that Israel bombed the entire c
[13:53] <RustyFord> so get over it
[13:53] <brouhaha> RustyFord: weren't they at war with them?
[13:53] <Herzen> Israel bombed Hezbollah strongholds, and logistic structures that are routin
[13:53] <brouhaha> lol
[13:53] <Herzen> "whole country"
[13:53] <brouhaha> no they didn't
[13:53] <RustyFord> brouhaha the entire country of lebanon was not bombed
[13:53] <Herzen> Yes, they certainly did.
[13:53] <brouhaha> the bombed families
[13:53] <brouhaha> women and children
[13:54] <brouhaha> schools
[13:54] <brouhaha> etc etc
[13:54] <RustyFord> the families of hezbollah supporters?
[13:54] <Herzen> Hezbollah used families, women and children, and schools as human shields.
[13:54] <RustyFord> boo hoo hooooo
[13:54] <brouhaha> because they don't have any respect for non israeli life
[13:54] <RustyFord> so maybe lebanese should stop supporting hezbollah
[13:54] <Herzen> Israel did its best to avoid civilian casualties without having suicidal pol
[13:54] <brouhaha> Herzen: that's israeli propoganda
[13:54] <pilgrim`> brouhaha Israel rather carefully attacked only hezbollah strongholds, not
[13:54] <RustyFord> and they wouldn't have that problem
[13:54] <brouhaha> clearly they weren't shields
[13:54] <Herzen> brouhaha, No, thats the truth.
[13:54] <brouhaha> of course they didn't bomb every square inch of hezbollah
[13:55] <RustyFord> hahahhaha
[13:55] <rumbleca> this status quo shit is too annoying
[13:55] <brouhaha> but the majoprity of people they killed were civilians
[13:55] <RustyFord> hezbollah is a minority in Lebanon idiot
[13:55] <brouhaha> no shit
[13:55] <RustyFord> they only have 3 representatives in the Lebanese government
[13:55] <brouhaha> that's what i've been saying
[13:55] <pilgrim`> rumbleca why?
[13:55] <brouhaha> yet you justify war with the whole nation
[13:55] <RustyFord> but according to your statement you said "all of lebanon is hezbollah"
[13:55] <RustyFord> shall i repaste it for you?
[13:55] <brouhaha> no
[13:55] <Herzen> Israel didn't attack the whole nation
[13:55] <pilgrim`> if my status quo changed from debt free to deep int rouble I woudl dispise
[13:55] <Herzen> if Israel wanted to attack the entire nation of Lebanon, it would have start
[13:55] <Herzen> Which wasn't touched
[13:56] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: why is it annoying that people continue to find justifications f
[13:56] <stevey14> there is no such thing as an inocent civilian in the middle east, the term
[13:56] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: I mean the status quo of war supporters in this channel
[13:56] <brouhaha> you mean republicans?
[13:56] <RustyFord> [16:48] <+brouhaha> lebanon is hezbollah
[13:56] <pilgrim`> rumbleca that has been true siince Sargon took Ur nearly 10k years ago. T
[13:56] <brouhaha> RustyFord: yes in part
[13:56] <RustyFord> hahhahaha
[13:56] <brouhaha> what was the next thing i said?
[13:56] <RustyFord> my god man yer an idiot
[13:56] <rwx> Abusive Domain or User
[13:57] <pilgrim`> I support war the way I support bowle movements. both are normal human be
[13:57] <brouhaha> you take everything out of context
[13:57] <RustyFord> [16:48] <+brouhaha> a large portion of it
[13:57] <RustyFord> Hezbollah is not a large portion of Lebanon
[13:57] <brouhaha> they're showing 911 on the television
[13:57] <RustyFord> it is a minority
[13:57] <brouhaha> speaking to people like you i can understand why it happened
[13:57] <brouhaha> i don't justify it
[13:57] <rumbleca> brouhaha: once rustyford gains some kind of misquote of you he uses it for
[13:58] <brouhaha> but these arabs didn't wake up owne day hating america for no reason
[13:58] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: well so you see, that's what I find annoying
[13:58] <pilgrim`> brouhaha I do, Israel is storng, sufferd a slight, reacted. Read Gibbon
[13:58] <brouhaha> rumbleca: why do al qaeda attack americans?
[13:58] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: especially since you probably don't live in a warzone
[13:58] <brouhaha> well rumbleca
[13:59] <brouhaha> er RustyFord
[13:59] <pilgrim`> rumbleca today I do not that is true. I prefer it that way. If I did, I
[13:59] <rumbleca> brouhaha: the motivations of al qaeda are not my specialty, are you sugges
[14:00] <brouhaha> i was asking RustyFord
[14:00] <rumbleca> ah ok
[14:00] <brouhaha> i want to know if he thinks these people woke up one day wiling to give th
[14:00] <brouhaha> surely they have some reason for doing it..
[14:00] <stevey14> the only thing i can crititize Pres. Bush on the war is he as not yet open
[14:01] <brouhaha> stevey14: that's because you are a retard.
[14:01] <tortus> they attack people in other nations also,
[14:01] <tortus> more than america
[14:01] <brouhaha> yes supporters of america...
[14:01] <tortus> its any western civilization
[14:01] <brouhaha> their hotels
[14:01] <brouhaha> where americans stayt
[14:01] <brouhaha> embassies
[14:01] <tortus> no, its western civilization that does not live under sharia
[14:01] <brouhaha> it's not any western nation
[14:02] <tortus> they want to live under sharia, and they want us to live under sharia
[14:02] <tortus> that is what they say
[14:02] <brouhaha> yes
[14:02] <tortus> and i beleive it
[14:02] <brouhaha> this is true
[14:02] <brouhaha> and we want them to live under our 'democracy'
[14:02] <brouhaha> palestine elcted hamas
[14:02] <tortus> under democracy, they can have sharia
[14:02] <brouhaha> tough shit
[14:02] <brouhaha> anyway
[14:02] <tortus> under sharia, we cannot have democracy, among other things
[14:02] <brouhaha> you know that's not why they're attacking ther west
[14:03] <brouhaha> they attack the west because of the usa
[14:03] <brouhaha> the usa breeds terrorism
[14:03] <tortus> thats what they say, they want to loive under sharia, and they want us to li
[14:03] <brouhaha> by it's foreign policy
[14:03] <brouhaha> yes
[14:03] <rwx> Abusive Domain or User
[14:03] <brouhaha> and i've already conceded that was true
[14:03] <stevey14> brouhaha, you're just a liberal dem who hates America
[14:03] <brouhaha> but it's not the main motice
[14:03] <brouhaha> motive
[14:03] <pilgrim`> sharia bears as much resemblence to modern legal reality as does the Auto
[14:03] <brouhaha> you're dodging the issue
[14:03] <pilgrim`> and that is a key problem
[14:04] <brouhaha> sharia is not the reason they blow the shit out of the west
[14:04] <brouhaha> that might make you sleep better at night
[14:04] <Herzen> dropping random historical terms isn't participating in the discussion
[14:04] <Herzen> lol
[14:04] <brouhaha> but it's not the real reason
[14:04] <TheTailor> brouhaha, we don't care if they live under democracy or not.
[14:04] <FreeTimer> Who is they ?
[14:04] <brouhaha> then wtf are you doing in iraq?
[14:05] <brouhaha> they, the people of the middle east
[14:05] <brouhaha> muslims
[14:05] <brouhaha> seriously
[14:05] <FreeTimer> The israelis ? The Morrocans ?
[14:05] <FreeTimer> Lebanese non Hizbollah ?
[14:05] <brouhaha> you know very well i'm not talking about the israelis
[14:05] <FreeTimer> Jordanians ?
[14:05] <brouhaha> are the israelis muslim?
[14:05] <brouhaha> muslims
[14:05] <brouhaha> muslim nations
[14:05] <FreeTimer> What about the muslims
[14:05] <pilgrim`> brouhaha I would suggest a read of the Q'uran. Personally I like the Rodw
[14:05] <brouhaha> read up
[14:05] <brouhaha> ^^
[14:06] <brouhaha> pilgrim`: i'm a christian
[14:06] <stevey14> brouhaha, we
[14:06] <pilgrim`> so?
[14:06] <pilgrim`> I am a pagan but I read the Bible
[14:06] <brouhaha> so why should i read the quar'an?
[14:06] <Dominus> He's not allowed to have an open mind, sheesh!
[14:06] <brouhaha> they say they're defending islam
[14:06] <tortus> so you can see how to treat infidels
[14:06] <brouhaha> bush says god told him to attack iraq
[14:06] <brouhaha> what's your point?
[14:07] <pilgrim`> same reason I read the Avesta Mahabharata and Vedas and other such; so I c
[14:07] <brouhaha> tortus: people are stoned in the bible...
[14:07] <tortus> they were partying?
[14:07] <FreeTimer> Well I dont see anything specific, I know a lot of Muslims from American,
[14:07] <stevey14> brouhaha, we're fighting terrorists in Iraq, you fucking dumbshit!
[14:08] <pilgrim`> learn, think, deduce
[14:08] <brouhaha> tortus: that's some funny shit
[14:08] <brouhaha> lol
[14:08] <brouhaha> there were no terrorists in iraq before you went there
[14:08] <rumbleca> stevey14: are you actually 14?
[14:08] <brouhaha> i'd say he's 11
[14:08] <brouhaha> maybe 8 years old
[14:08] <pilgrim`> of course not. Chechens were quiet under Stalintoo
[14:08] <FreeTimer> So I dont know who the fuck your talking about. I know My friends son jus
[14:09] <brouhaha> FreeTimer: how is that relevant
[14:09] <FreeTimer> There were terrorists in Iraq 30 years ago if you have any education.
[14:09] <FreeTimer> Then again maybe you are living under christian brainwashing.
[14:09] <brouhaha> so you're gone there to protect the iraqis from terrorists?
[14:09] <brouhaha> how many iraqis were involved in 911?
[14:09] <FreeTimer> IM not going there at all. I am going to Marin County tommorrow.
[14:09] <pilgrim`> oh my. they have freedom and now some whack job is doing bad. blame the
[14:10] <FreeTimer> How many Kuwaitis were involed in 911 ?
[14:10] <brouhaha> the iraqis were better off with saddam
[14:10] <brouhaha> an d the west was probably safer
[14:10] <FreeTimer> Or Bahrainians. Or Morrocans (I think there was one)
[14:10] <brouhaha> everything you touch in the middle east is toxic
[14:10] <tortus> saddam avg kill was 30K per year
[14:10] <FreeTimer> They were better off with Saddam ?
[14:11] <brouhaha> tortus: that's bullshit
[14:11] <FreeTimer> Jesus christ you dont know anything about Saddam do you.
[14:11] <pilgrim`> brohaha what province of Albania do you hale from?
[14:11] <tortus> nope
[14:11] <brouhaha> pilgrim`: albania... wtf are you talking about?
[14:11] <FreeTimer> Ive read his biography and a lot more, in fact I studies saddam 15 years
[14:11] <FreeTimer> studied
[14:11] <brouhaha> wow
[14:11] <FreeTimer> and I have learned a lot more in the last 15 years.
[14:11] <FreeTimer> You dont give a shit about genoicide ?
[14:11] <rumbleca> is calling somebody an albanian some reference to being a communist?
[14:12] <brouhaha> did you right that dossier about his WMDs that could hit london in 45 minu
[14:12] <FreeTimer> Rumble, it shouldnt be.
[14:12] <brouhaha> speaking of which
[14:12] <brouhaha> i thought that's why you went there
[14:12] <brouhaha> the must be invisible
[14:12] <pilgrim`> well, given your political "thoguth" I made the I thought astute conclusio
[14:12] <FreeTimer> Good riddance.
[14:12] <pilgrim`> ah
[14:13] <pilgrim`> no, Albania is a nice place...if you are a capitalist; they kept the USSR
[14:13] <dam|an> Ok pilgrim`
[14:13] <RustyFord> heh
[14:14] <SweetLeaf> Will ABC knuckle under to Clinton's demands????
[14:14] <RustyFord> some people really have no irc couth
[14:14] <FreeTimer> Tired of idiots.. No I dont mind people who are 90 and up on the IQ scale
[14:14] <RustyFord> Sweetleaf they better not, especially when its truth
[14:14] <FreeTimer> I have one pet pieve I think people know it. its Bigotry.
[14:14] <RustyFord> sintient good god man, face it your devoiced
[14:14] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: the industrial capacity of albania has been almost entirely dest
[14:14] <RustyFord> now freakin get a grip, joining and rejoining won't get your voiced any f
[14:15] <RustyFord> unless of course someone has sympathy in your case
[14:15] <pilgrim`> rumbleca industry? LOL Albania has for the last 1000 years been the hom
[14:16] <FreeTimer> Damn I am tired..
[14:16] <pilgrim`> if you want some cigarettes, a tank, some nylons, a Mig, some caviar, a mi
[14:16] <SweetLeaf> Dims claim Bush is trying to scare people I hope it works myself
[14:17] <FreeTimer> Sweet, Me too.
[14:17] <vasili0s> you'll get kidnapped in albania, and sold into the sex trade.
[14:17] <FreeTimer> But They should listen to Bush as the topic implies.
[14:17] <SweetLeaf> Foul Foul Bush is chating he has the war on terror we the Dims do not thi
[14:17] <FreeTimer> Bush is not anti Islam. The whole object of Iraq is to gain another Islam
[14:18] <SweetLeaf> Murtha is right we need to Redeploy to Kurdistan and attack Iran
[14:18] <SweetLeaf> Kurds love us
[14:19] <FreeTimer> A few come in and misconstrue his meaning. and they stupidly think we nee
[14:19] <FreeTimer> if not 1000s
[14:19] <RustyFord> i am sick of the whole idea that Bush is "anti" anything
[14:19] <occ> hey
[14:19] <FreeTimer> Rusty me too.
[14:19] <occ> hehe
[14:19] <FreeTimer> Hes very tolerant.
[14:19] <RustyFord> i am laughing my ass off that people are claiming an ABC bias against Cli
[14:19] <rumbleca> pilgrim`: well I don't know about that
[14:19] <RustyFord> thats just freakin hilarious to me
[14:19] <SweetLeaf> We need to shut Iran and Syria down close all their access to the world
[14:19] <RustyFord> while the president has dealt with this crap for 6 years
[14:19] <occ> yet, you swear to death that theres an abc bias against gwb ;)
[14:19] <rumbleca> freetimer its not that bush is necessarily intolerant, but that he is very
[14:20] <RustyFord> uhh
[14:20] <RustyFord> actually nope
[14:20] <RustyFord> i have never accused ABC of being biased against Bush
[14:20] <occ> im watching the new cbs evening news with katie couric
[14:20] <rumbleca> freetimer: and his justifications for his actions don't hold a lot of weig
[14:20] <SweetLeaf> Funny the Moore movie was ok the movie that kills Bush is Ok but the ABC
[14:20] <FreeTimer> Iran and Syria have governments hostile to the world and to the west. The
[14:21] <FreeTimer> So many Iranians wish they could live like Americans.
[14:21] <rumbleca> freetimer: that didn't work 30 years ago
[14:21] <rumbleca> well it did work but look what you got
[14:21] <RustyFord> hahaha KaKa "Botox" Couric
[14:21] <SweetLeaf> and that president is saying to cleanse the schools of all professors tha
[14:21] <RustyFord> wait wait
[14:21] <RustyFord> hahaha KaKa "Botox, photoshoped" Couric
[14:22] <occ> shes photoshopped, on video?
[14:22] <occ> i presumed she was just, you know, a highly-attractive middle-aged woman
[14:22] <occ> of the type who usually become news anchors!
[14:22] <RustyFord> occ, no, she was photoshopped in an advertisement put out by CBS
[14:22] <occ> so what?
[14:22] <SweetLeaf> Well lets get rid o the professors and burn the books and kill all the je
[14:22] <RustyFord> occ, photoshopped to make her look skinnier
[14:22] <pilgrim`> oen thing I have noted is a totally different view these days of terrorist
[14:22] <RustyFord> hahahah its just typical of CBS
[14:23] <FreeTimer> Syria is mutli cultural, Christian Muslim, etc, But its government is sec
[14:23] <RustyFord> the whole katie couric thing is so over blown its not even funny
[14:23] <RustyFord> A. she is not that attractive
[14:23] <RustyFord> and B. she is being over represented as an intelligent news anchor
[14:23] <FreeTimer> Sometimes I am not sure why Syria is aiding Iran.. Other than Iran makes
[14:23] <FreeTimer> We tried it before we are going to try it again with a lot more resolve.
[14:24] <SweetLeaf> That guy aint his dad that is for sure
[14:24] <RustyFord> C. she is a an embarrasment to CBS, but I geuss CBS has to boost their ra
[14:24] <RustyFord> FT, look at Bashir
[14:24] <FreeTimer> the reason we will try to overthrow iran democratically or by revolution
[14:24] <FreeTimer> of course we dont know for sure
[14:24] <RustyFord> look at his face do a face profile of him
[14:24] <SweetLeaf> She has 15 million of their dollars I guess they are stuck with her
[14:25] <RustyFord> the guys about 14 cards short of a full deck
[14:25] <RustyFord> he looks like a down syndrome baby
[14:25] <SweetLeaf> anyone see that reporter get beat up?
[14:25] <RustyFord> he has a low forhead
[14:25] <RustyFord> small head profile
[14:25] <FreeTimer> In any event we are not going to do anything to Iran in the next year + u
[14:25] <RustyFord> no jaw to speak off
[14:26] <RustyFord> he is a yes man to the people around him
[14:26] <RustyFord> he has no leadership skills
[14:26] <FreeTimer> but ultimately I hope we will deny them nukes by whatever means possible
[14:26] <RustyFord> they have done some photo ops of him trying to look important
[14:27] <RustyFord> he has NO leading ability period, the only thing that he has is that he i
[14:27] <RustyFord> thats all
[14:27] <RustyFord> nothing more nothing less
[14:27] <FreeTimer> Sick of simpletons who think nuking someone will solve something.
[14:27] <RustyFord> he is a weak leader who is at the mercy of his court
[14:27] <FreeTimer> On the other hand we are militarily capable of stopping Iran and if it co
[14:27] <SweetLeaf> When we take out Irans nuclear shit we better be ready for sucide bombers
[14:27] <RustyFord> he isn't even a good looking guy
[14:28] <RustyFord> now lets contrast that
[14:28] <FreeTimer> Most the Arab countries in the region would be happy.
[14:28] <RustyFord> look at the King of Jordan
[14:28] <RustyFord> now THERE is a man
[14:28] <FreeTimer> Oh wait, that upsets a lot of peoples world view, they think That everyon
[14:28] <RustyFord> he is a leader, he is a good looking guy, he has a pretty wife
[14:28] <SweetLeaf> Like BB said today Israel is the little Satan the USA is the Great Satan
[14:28] <RustyFord> and people respect him
[14:28] <RustyFord> plus he is smart
[14:28] <FreeTimer> Hell people in the USA dont even talk the same much less think the same g
[14:28] <RustyFord> Major Smart
[14:28] <FreeTimer> But they think all muslims are identical.
[14:29] <FreeTimer> Start them on an education of shia islam vs Sunni Islam.
[14:29] <RustyFord> King Abdullah of Jordan is a real friend of the USA
[14:29] <FreeTimer> then the 500 sects of sunni Islam
[14:29] <RustyFord> and is VERY intelligent
[14:29] <FreeTimer> Then the numbers sects of Shia Islam
[14:29] <SweetLeaf> There are Hez bombers here in the USA waiting for orders
[14:29] <FreeTimer> and so on.
[14:29] <FreeTimer> Rusty, Yep he sure is.
[14:29] <RustyFord> if Bashir Assad was half as smart as Abdullah there would be peace in Isr
[14:29] <rumbleca> sweetleaf: tell them I said hi will you?
[14:29] <pilgrim`> what I wish to knwo is why every stinkin pic of the Iranian president I se
[14:30] <FreeTimer> So its the King of Saudi Arabia.
[14:30] <pilgrim`> flowers
[14:30] <RustyFord> FT, i don't trust the king of Saudi as much as you
[14:30] <RustyFord> but i don't think that they are all together our enemies
[14:30] <SweetLeaf> aint the king about dead
[14:30] <FreeTimer> people may hate their country and thats fine I dont cate, hate it all you
[14:30] <RustyFord> Sweet, he died
[14:30] <pilgrim`> I realize I am a dumb hick but if even I knotice this, doncha think some
[14:30] <RustyFord> but the new king is old too
[14:30] <RustyFord> hah
[14:31] <FreeTimer> Rusty, I do because I know a guy who was his financial advisor, and becau
[14:31] <SweetLeaf> well now that settles that
[14:31] <FreeTimer> Define trust ?
[14:31] <RustyFord> Sweet, and the guy who is king now? helped finance the Taliban in Afghani
[14:31] <FreeTimer> Do I think he would launch or condone an attack o America ? I know he wou
[14:31] <RustyFord> and also used to go "falcon hunting" with Bin-Laden himself
[14:31] <FreeTimer> He gave money to every islamic cause in the world..
[14:31] <SweetLeaf> well we all make mistakes heh
[14:31] <RustyFord> in Afghanistan
[14:32] <RustyFord> hence why our CIA called off an air strike against Bin-Laden once
[14:32] <pilgrim`> this is a fair example: http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/14/pgahm
[14:32] <RustyFord> according to the book Ghost Wars and our 9/11 commission
[14:32] <FreeTimer> Now the FBI sits down with them and says, these guys are ok, These guys a
[14:32] <FreeTimer> And we work very closely with who they give money too.
[14:33] <FreeTimer> They used to give money to 1000s of islamic charities and organizations w
[14:33] <FreeTimer> They never supported Usama.
[14:33] <RustyFord> FT, Saudi kingdom just issued a "kings law" that states that women will n
[14:33] <FreeTimer> Usama is as much their enemy as ours, and more of a threat in the long wr
[14:33] <RustyFord> and edict
[14:33] <FreeTimer> long wrong = long run
[14:33] <RustyFord> during the 5 day annual ritual
[14:34] <FreeTimer> Rusty, I said there are things people wont like about Saudi Arabia and I
[14:34] <RustyFord> FT, our "allies" keep going to the "extreme"
[14:34] <FreeTimer> I am not trying to be accepting of thier culture or thier treatment of wo
[14:34] <SweetLeaf> Only thing I like about saudi arabia is driving my truck
[14:34] <FreeTimer> Which has been very important.
[14:34] <RustyFord> and it makes it very hard for me to trust them
[14:34] <FreeTimer> It was important before 911, its more important now than ever.
[14:35] <RustyFord> FT, they on one face want democracy, and on the other face go backwards i
[14:35] <FreeTimer> They have helped us financially when the rest of the world wanted to turn
[14:35] <RustyFord> eventually this will make for a clash and they will come running to us to
[14:35] <FreeTimer> Opec is about 1/3 the world
[14:35] <RustyFord> and we will continue to be hated
[14:35] <FreeTimer> Oil producing nations.
[14:35] <SweetLeaf> Iran's President wants to have a fist fight with George at the UN
[14:35] <FreeTimer> They always look out for us.. And I appreciate it.
[14:35] <RustyFord> we will continue to be looked upon like we support the sauds
[14:36] <L0c0> speaking of oil
[14:36] <L0c0> you guys see about this big pocket that chevron hit in the gulf?
[14:36] <Exdeath> yup
[14:36] <RustyFord> FT this is the thing with the house of Saud, we will get fucked everytime
[14:36] <L0c0> still years from it helping supplies, but pretty cool
[14:36] <c|ear> yea
[14:36] <RustyFord> we could sit back and let their house fall and be condemned
[14:36] <L0c0> its out there though...they had a map in the paper
[14:36] <FreeTimer> we will support the Saudis I would never vote for a president who didnt,
[14:37] <RustyFord> or we could prop them up with oil wealth and we will still be condemned
[14:37] <RustyFord> FT, nope
[14:37] <FreeTimer> No actually they have saves our ass a lot of times.. They invest a lot in
[14:37] <RustyFord> FT, that was a proposal that was put fourth by a FORMER king who is dead
[14:37] <FreeTimer> And they are a counter balance to Iran
[14:37] <FreeTimer> They fear Iran. And we need a counter balance to Iran
[14:37] <RustyFord> the official position of the current saud family is that proposal still e
[14:37] <RustyFord> but thats the thing
[14:37] <FreeTimer> None of these people are going to please us on civil rights.
[14:37] <RustyFord> who cares what the saud family wants?
[14:38] <FreeTimer> When the house of Faud came into power in Saudi Arabia they tried to west
[14:38] <RustyFord> heh there are more people in Saudi arabia than the ruling family
[14:38] <FreeTimer> The people almost beheaded them.
[14:38] <RustyFord> i don't think we will ever see peace in our time in the middle east
[14:38] <RustyFord> ever
[14:38] <RustyFord> never
[14:38] <RustyFord> not even on a good day
[14:38] <FreeTimer> So they are allowing the people to live ultra conservative lives, for the
[14:38] <FreeTimer> Saudi Arabia, the people, Are not ready for democracy.
[14:38] <RustyFord> Israel could stop existing tomorrow
[14:39] <RustyFord> and the middle east would still be in turmoil
[14:39] <RustyFord> they would only focus on other areas in the world
[14:39] <RustyFord> like Croatia
[14:39] <RustyFord> Russia
[14:39] <RustyFord> Chechnya
[14:39] <tortus> ther is not enough infrastructure in suadi arabia
[14:39] <RustyFord> parts of China
[14:39] <RustyFord> Phillipines
[14:39] <RustyFord> Myanamar
[14:39] <FreeTimer> Oil and Israel are the only 2 issues in US interest which concern us abou
[14:40] <tortus> i wonder what the general pop would think if they saw the pics of the saudi
[14:40] <RustyFord> islam has no point of stopping their idealism of world domination
[14:40] <RustyFord> tortus thats amazing isn't it?
[14:40] <tortus> yeah
[14:40] <tortus> they spend a lot of money on things besides the nation
[14:40] <FreeTimer> Islam isnt anymore about world domination than christianity.
[14:40] <RustyFord> they sit there and claim holy islam and then go party hearty in the west
[14:40] <RustyFord> FT really?
[14:41] <RustyFord> you don't seriously believe that do you?
[14:41] <RustyFord> i mean come on man
[14:41] <RustyFord> the fringes of Islam fight on the fringes of the free world
[14:41] <RustyFord> just look at the map
[14:41] <FreeTimer> I was rasied a fucking christian, Hell yes really, I was raised in the mo
[14:41] <Publius> yeah, and what about christianity in years past
[14:41] <RustyFord> and when they don't get their way
[14:41] <RustyFord> they start bombing
[14:42] <RustyFord> and calling the land their own
[14:42] <FreeTimer> Thing is most people in the world dont follow thier religions literally
[14:42] <RustyFord> "ohht the martyr abu blew up this church its ours now because Abu was gre
[14:43] <FreeTimer> If not for israel and Oil we wouldnt give a damn about the middle east..
[14:43] <FreeTimer> And the middle east wouldnt have any power.
[14:44] <RustyFord> even Bush himself has said "The Evil(binLaden and Zawahiri) of Islam has
[14:44] <RustyFord> i mean come on
[14:44] <FreeTimer> And again you have Jordan, Bahrain, Morroco, Kuwait, Arab Emirates and ev
[14:44] <RustyFord> thats classic stuff
[14:44] <FreeTimer> Its only really Iran and Syria now that iraq is done and the terrorists w
[14:44] <FreeTimer> And Irans goals are cloudy
[14:45] <RustyFord> FT, what about Myanmar?
[14:45] <RustyFord> Indonesia?
[14:45] <RustyFord> Phillipines?
[14:45] <RustyFord> Croatia?
[14:45] <RustyFord> Chechnya?
[14:45] <tortus> palestine
[14:45] <RustyFord> Kyrgystan?
[14:45] <FreeTimer> Since the floods in Indonesia our approval rating with muslims went up to
[14:45] <RustyFord> parts of south america soon
[14:45] <FreeTimer> I dont know where it is now but thats hire than the UK.
[14:45] <tortus> france
[14:45] <FreeTimer> Higher than the UK
[14:45] <tortus> hehe
[14:46] <RustyFord> FT, thats only with muslims who believe we didn't cause the tsunami to be
[14:46] <RustyFord> come on man
[14:46] <pilgrim`> you want to see a religion that burned a swath through the world: Check t
[14:46] <FreeTimer> Chechnya was ethnically cleansed by Russia. 100%
[14:46] <RustyFord> no it wasn't
[14:46] <FreeTimer> then years later they let them come back.
[14:46] <FreeTimer> You want to fuck with me ?
[14:46] <FreeTimer> Yes it was
[14:46] <FreeTimer> Go study
[14:46] <RustyFord> FT, Chechnya just killed one of Russia's top generals not to many months
[14:47] <RustyFord> and they in turn took out Basayev
[14:47] <RustyFord> heh
[14:47] <FreeTimer> Rusty, A few hundred years ago smart man, Checnya was 100% ethnically cl
[14:47] <RustyFord> a few hundred years ago???
[14:47] <occ> i hate all these people
[14:47] <RustyFord> wtf does that have to do with today????
[14:47] <occ> they're scum of the earth
[14:47] <FreeTimer> And killings Russias top General right now in american interest is debata
[14:47] <FreeTimer> They sure havent acted like one.
[14:48] <FreeTimer> Rusty, because emnitys in the world are held long, once you get outside t
[14:48] <pilgrim`> Free is right about that btw, Chechens were being a pain in the Arse to M
[14:48] <RustyFord> FT, they are still muslims god damn it
[14:48] <RustyFord> it doesn't matter about old enmities
[14:48] <FreeTimer> Balkan hatreds were 100s of years old North ireland. Like I said Russia E
[14:49] <RustyFord> this is about islamic morons vs western idealisms
[14:49] <RustyFord> and i am not tottaly convinced that Putin isn't pushing his country towar
[14:49] <RustyFord> considering that Communism was against any sort of religion
[14:49] <occ> except THEIR OWN
[14:49] <occ> NICH NICH
[14:49] <pilgrim`> well actually...
[14:49] <RustyFord> in fact i would suspect in years to come that Russia will become islamic
[14:49] <FreeTimer> A Jewish Russian Who is a total zionist told me early on when Russia was
[14:50] <pilgrim`> Islam was tacitly accepted within the USSR
[14:50] <FreeTimer> You know why the oil tycoon in Russia went to Prison ?
[14:50] <pilgrim`> had to be
[14:50] <FreeTimer> He wanted to develop oil with Chevron.
[14:50] <pilgrim`> otherwise the Asian Republics would revolt
[14:50] <RustyFord> pilrim yes for appeasement reasons
[14:50] <RustyFord> EXACTLY! pilgrim
[14:50] <pilgrim`> Free he did not pay off the right people
[14:50] <RustyFord> to this day i still wonder what the goal of Afghanistan invasion by Russi
[14:51] <RustyFord> unless they wanted the opium crops
[14:51] <pilgrim`> see Arman Hammer and Occidental for how one does business with Russkis on
[14:51] <RustyFord> there is nothing there
[14:51] <RustyFord> what is in Afghanistan that Russia could possibly want?
[14:51] <pilgrim`> very good book on that called: The Seven Sisters
[14:51] <pilgrim`> gas
[14:51] <RustyFord> natural gas?
[14:51] <RustyFord> or a pipe line?
[14:51] <pilgrim`> and a pipleine route
[14:51] <RustyFord> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:51] <Publius> russia already has the most natural gas in teh world tho
[14:52] <pilgrim`> publius as we have the most coal
[14:52] <RustyFord> yeh i was about to say that
[14:52] <FreeTimer> We still have tons of oil and natural gas too.
[14:52] <RustyFord> not to mention we have undiscovered
[14:52] <Publius> we don't really invade places for it tho
[14:52] * RustyFord nods at FT
[14:52] <RustyFord> the whole worlds gone mad
[14:53] <pilgrim`> but being bituminous and not antrhacite, and being high sulpher, western c
[14:53] <RustyFord> pilgrim not true!
[14:53] <RustyFord> hehehhe
[14:53] <FreeTimer> Chechnya is a region in the Northern Caucasus which has constantly fought
[14:53] <RustyFord> we have the most subbitumonous
[14:53] <RustyFord> which is the lowest in sulphur content
[14:53] <RustyFord> i have been reading up on it=)
[14:53] <FreeTimer> The current resistance to Russian rule began during the late 18th century
[14:53] <pilgrim`> Rusty Dakota coal= sulpher
[14:54] <pilgrim`> like the shale oil; also sulpher
[14:54] <RustyFord> pilgrim yeh but there are other major pockets in the USA that are subbit
[14:54] <RustyFord> and we have the most
[14:54] <RustyFord> its energy output is amazing compared to the sulphur content
[14:54] <pilgrim`> Rusty well, I am not a coal expert; other then reading a few geology books
[14:54] <FreeTimer> The Chechens, though, again rose up against Soviet rule during the 1940s,
[14:55] <pilgrim`> Free the Chechens are a royal pain the the Russ and have been
[14:55] <RustyFord> pilgrim this is coming from a national geographic i read from th e 1980's
[14:55] <RustyFord> it has predicted everything today some 30 years later
[14:55] <RustyFord> including 3$ a gallon gas
[14:55] <RustyFord> and 80$ a barrel of oil
[14:55] <salstress> I like Mitt Romney
[14:55] <pilgrim`> Rusty article is by Nostradomus Smith?
[14:56] <FreeTimer> These were also the enemy of the work in the 1940s and later if I may rem
[14:56] <RustyFord> nope hang on let me find it
[14:56] <pilgrim`> it was a joke
[14:56] <RustyFord> hahha here we go Pilgrim
[14:56] <FreeTimer> Chechnya is considered an independent republic by its separatists, and a
[14:56] <pilgrim`> Free America was new to the kingmaker game, Winnie was old hand and Brit
[14:56] <FreeTimer> You know we supported virtually eveyrone else who wanted independence fro
[14:57] <FreeTimer> I think maybe we went with the wrong side by supporting Putin, A mistake
[14:57] <RustyFord> Kenneth Weaver, David Jeffery, Rick gore, Thomasn canby, Johnathon Blair,
[14:57] <RustyFord> and its amazing
[14:57] <pilgrim`> Free Turky and the EU, Bosnia, Chechnya...need any more proof that the we
[14:57] <FreeTimer> of course we are all shicked by the terrorism of the chechyans but noone
[14:57] <RustyFord> Bill Richards
[14:57] <RustyFord> =)
[14:57] <RustyFord> in 1980
[14:58] <RustyFord> hahahhahahah
[14:58] <FreeTimer> Pilglrim the US has bent over backwards trying to help turkey
[14:58] <RustyFord> the same guy who is governor of New mexico
[14:58] <RustyFord> who was Clintons energy adviser
[14:58] <RustyFord> =)))
[14:58] <RustyFord> neato!
[14:58] <pilgrim`> I know. yet, we never did stand up and endorse her entry into the EU
[14:58] <pilgrim`> Rusty I met him
[14:58] <RustyFord> Rick Gore
[14:58] <FreeTimer> I htink the EU thinks we are doing so to try to bring down the EU, In fac
[14:58] <pilgrim`> Richardson is a jerk
[14:58] <RustyFord> i wonder if he is related
[14:59] <RustyFord> Pilgrim i could imagine Richardson being a jerk
[14:59] <RustyFord> i wonder if a jerk like him could be a good president
[14:59] <RustyFord> =)
[14:59] <FreeTimer> So I dont know, I think in retrospect Putin was a very unfortunate thing
[14:59] <RustyFord> sometimes it takes a jerk nose to be a good president
[14:59] <pilgrim`> you need the background of where he came from and how in NM politics
[14:59] <FreeTimer> China is taking decades to move from communism to Capitalism
[14:59] <RustyFord> pilgrim thats what always shocked me
[14:59] <RustyFord> how the FUCK did he become governor?
[15:00] <FreeTimer> I think perhaps Russia we expected to much, in fact I know we expected to
[15:00] <pilgrim`> Nuranjo supported him. thats it
[15:00] <pilgrim`> and you have never heard of Nuranjo
[15:00] <RustyFord> pilgrim i have a friend who moved to New Mexico many years ago, he was a,
[15:00] <pilgrim`> Emillio Nuranjo
[15:00] <RustyFord> i always wondered how he faired
[15:00] <pilgrim`> Rusty then he knows folks I know
[15:00] <FreeTimer> And the fact is our war on terrorism is not only muslims to be accurate,
[15:01] <pilgrim`> and, he has heard of me ;)
[15:01] <RustyFord> pilgrim he made this stuff
[15:01] <RustyFord> it was "root whiskey"
[15:01] <FreeTimer> But who here things China and Russia are not playing the US and the west
[15:01] <RustyFord> it was the most amazing drink i ever had
[15:01] <pilgrim`> did he move to Albuquerque or Northern NM?
[15:01] <RustyFord> yes
[15:01] <pilgrim`> where
[15:01] <RustyFord> alburqwirky
[15:01] <RustyFord> =))
[15:01] <pilgrim`> then if he was pagan he has heard of SWEFA
[15:02] <FreeTimer> Being President is not an easy job, no matter who is president.
[15:02] <RustyFord> he moved outside of there
[15:02] <RustyFord> yes he is a pagan
[15:02] <RustyFord> or was
[15:02] <pilgrim`> google swefa
[15:02] <FreeTimer> How do you deal with people like Putin..
[15:02] <RustyFord> i haven't seen him in many many many years
[15:02] <RustyFord> his name was mark
[15:02] <FreeTimer> Do we give them carrots or sticks ?
[15:02] <RustyFord> grr
[15:02] <FreeTimer> We do both but how many carrots and how many sticks ?
[15:02] <RustyFord> he was "black irish"
[15:02] <FreeTimer> We need them, and then again they are harming us.
[15:02] <RustyFord> tall geeky looking fellah
[15:02] <RustyFord> for a irishman he was tall
[15:02] <RustyFord> jet black hair
[15:03] <FreeTimer> We could decide not to need them and act outside the UN with coalitions o
[15:03] <RustyFord> pilgrim funny, his brother was just the opposite
[15:03] <FreeTimer> And perhaps that would be wiser but its a terribly hard decision for who
[15:03] <FreeTimer> Russia and China Lied to us about Iran.
[15:03] <RustyFord> reddish hair, beard, chubby guy, BIG fucker, i would never fuck with him
[15:03] <FreeTimer> They promised sanctions if Iran didnt stop.
[15:03] <FreeTimer> iran didnt stop and in fact they added more.
[15:03] <RustyFord> big irish man
[15:03] <RustyFord> mark was the opposite
[15:04] <FreeTimer> Now Russia and China are not keeping their word
[15:04] <RustyFord> very private type of fellow
[15:04] <FreeTimer> does anyone listen ?
[15:04] <RustyFord> FT, Russia and China are using Iran
[15:04] <FreeTimer> Or do I have to insert the world muslim to get someones attention on geo
[15:04] <FreeTimer> word
[15:04] <Herzen> I'm listening
[15:04] <FreeTimer> They are using us too..
[15:04] <FreeTimer> And Europe
[15:04] <RustyFord> FT, i have wondered for many months now what would happen if we just igno
[15:04] <pilgrim`> Rusty I was a member of the coven that founded the local community
[15:04] <FreeTimer> for once we have CHina, France, Entirely on our side..
[15:04] <pilgrim`> and, that in itself is a tale....
[15:04] <FreeTimer> And thats not enough
[15:05] <FreeTimer> Its rare to have Germany and france on our side
[15:05] <FreeTimer> China = germany sorry
[15:05] <RustyFord> FT, i have often wondered what would happen if we just said "ok this is i
[15:05] <RustyFord> "this is your baby
[15:05] <RustyFord> you guys made them
[15:05] <RustyFord> you guys can take care of them
[15:05] <RustyFord> lets face it
[15:05] <RustyFord> Iran is a bigger threat to China and Russia than they are to us at the mo
[15:06] <FreeTimer> Rusty, I would be for putting some hard pressure on China and Russia I do
[15:06] <RustyFord> so let them
[15:06] <RustyFord> let Iran get the bomb
[15:06] <FreeTimer> Maybe say, Look, Ok You guys arent helping us in fact you are arming them
[15:06] <RustyFord> lets face facts here
[15:06] <pilgrim`> bbl
[15:06] <FreeTimer> Youa re selling them the dual use nuclear materials.
[15:06] * TmothyT is now known as TimothyT
[15:06] <RustyFord> China and Russia has never been good at dealing with enemies that are lar
[15:06] <RustyFord> China has lots of balls
[15:06] <RustyFord> they have lots of poeple
[15:06] <FreeTimer> We are going to bomb them back into the stone age because you are making
[15:06] <FreeTimer> Not ?
[15:06] <RustyFord> Russia has few people but they have the most nuclear weapons
[15:07] <FreeTimer> We are sick of your games
[15:07] <TimothyT> Richardson was Clinton's Energy Secretary
[15:07] <RustyFord> we don't need to bomb anyone
[15:07] <FreeTimer> Either help us to live in peace in this world. Where we can respect our d
[15:07] <RustyFord> if china, usa and russia worked together in the intelligence field
[15:07] <FreeTimer> Or tell us you dont want to. But dont fucking lead us on
[15:07] <FreeTimer> Dont lead us by a leash
[15:07] <RustyFord> Iran is a foregone conclusion
[15:07] <RustyFord> its that simple
[15:08] <RustyFord> i don't think China or Russia will allow Iran to get the bomb
[15:08] <RustyFord> look at Pakistan
[15:08] <FreeTimer> Right now they are arming them with the most advanced weapons any other c
[15:08] <RustyFord> they have the bomb but they don't have a way to deliver them outside of t
[15:08] <FreeTimer> rusty, Smell the coffee, they ar egiving them the bomb.
[15:09] <FreeTimer> They are not only allowing it they are giving them the dual use materials
[15:09] <RustyFord> do you really think China and Russia are stupid enough to give Iran the b
[15:09] <RustyFord> i mean think about it
[15:09] <FreeTimer> Yes and no.
[15:09] <FreeTimer> I agree its not really in their interest
[15:09] <FreeTimer> and yet.
[15:09] <FreeTimer> They are giving them the bomb right now.
[15:09] <ManKind> anything they do to destabilize against the US will only risk Chinas intere
[15:09] <RustyFord> exactly mankind
[15:09] <RustyFord> same with russia
[15:10] <FreeTimer> Makind, thats true which makes it even more inexplicable. China may need
[15:10] <FreeTimer> then = they
[15:10] <RustyFord> exactly
[15:10] <ManKind> FreeTimer so what do you mean "they are giving them the bomb right now"
[15:10] <RustyFord> lets not forget that China is a population of 1 billion people
[15:10] <FreeTimer> So China could be peeled off I think Easier than Russia but Russia and Ch
[15:10] <ManKind> by allowing them to continue? or actually handing them plans and materials
[15:10] <RustyFord> i think if it came down to it and China missteps
[15:10] <FreeTimer> One which operates from malignant neglect
[15:10] <FreeTimer> not by active hostility
[15:10] <FreeTimer> by malignant neglect.
[15:10] <RustyFord> they will see their government implode faster than you could say lickety
[15:11] <FreeTimer> well we depend on chinese debt
[15:11] <FreeTimer> They buy our debt
[15:11] <ManKind> and they depend on us selling them stuff to fund that debt
[15:11] <Herzen> in the early 2000s china and russia signed a pact for strategic relations
[15:11] <FreeTimer> But hell so they want to play hard ball and try to sell our debt which th
[15:11] <Herzen> which means precisely that they'll work together
[15:11] <FreeTimer> YOu think they will sell it at a loss ?
[15:11] <ManKind> they can only sell it in USD though
[15:11] <FreeTimer> Which is what would happen if they sold it suddenly
[15:11] <RustyFord> and then we sit here and talk all kinds of shit about China and Russia
[15:11] <RustyFord> and tottaly ignore the India factor
[15:12] <RustyFord> heh
[15:12] <occ> mainland china is a bunch of rednecks
[15:12] <occ> im with hongkong 4 life :D
[15:12] <RustyFord> we have 3billion people living in south asia
[15:12] <FreeTimer> They can only sell it in the market, and if you flood the market with US
[15:12] <FreeTimer> And they end up losing money
[15:12] <RustyFord> between india and china
[15:12] <FreeTimer> Like it or not the USA is a good investment for china
[15:12] <RustyFord> and India and China have gone to war in our recent past
[15:12] <RustyFord> against each other
[15:12] <RustyFord> don't count out India
[15:13] <RustyFord> seirously the idea that we can all sit here and strategically thing that
[15:13] <FreeTimer> Mainland china is full of very good people who are obedient to their gove
[15:13] <RustyFord> when you have the most technologically advanced FREE NATION of india on t
[15:13] <RustyFord> mainland india is HUGE
[15:14] <FreeTimer> Trust me I have learned this from my brothers many trips and my sister in
[15:14] <ManKind> RustyFord what are you getting at? india may attack china?
[15:14] <RustyFord> Mankind they have before
[15:14] <ManKind> the world has changed since as well
[15:14] <RustyFord> india hates commies
[15:14] <FreeTimer> ive learned a lot from him, If you went to china the first thing which wo
[15:14] <ManKind> china isnt commie
[15:14] <FreeTimer> That would hit you hard
[15:14] <ManKind> china is capitalist
[15:14] <RustyFord> its the old ideals of Commies vs democracy
[15:14] <RustyFord> Mankind hahahahhaha its communist
[15:15] <RustyFord> you can call it all you want but ultimate its one party rule
[15:15] <RustyFord> and its communist
[15:15] <FreeTimer> After the povery what would strike you is the complacency of the people a
[15:15] <ManKind> RustyFord the main party is calle dthat, but china operates now as a capita
[15:15] <RustyFord> you can still be communist and capitalist Mankind
[15:15] <RustyFord> look at Venezuela and Cuba
[15:15] <RustyFord> communist capitalist
[15:15] <RustyFord> Capitalism is not a form of government
[15:16] <RustyFord> its a form of economy
[15:16] <RustyFord> the sooner you understand that the better
[15:16] <ManKind> but to allow for full capitalism as they have grown in china, communism tak
[15:16] <RustyFord> mankind no
[15:16] <FreeTimer> Then the supersition of the people, and the culture.. The smoking of toba
[15:16] <RustyFord> you are looking at some "heavenly idealism" of capitalism
[15:16] <ManKind> the government does not have the room to step in and do whatever they want
[15:16] <RustyFord> its a utopia idealism
[15:17] <FreeTimer> Obviously its not entirely monolithic the way I describe it, but thats a
[15:17] <RustyFord> Mankind, anyone who sells anything is a capitalist
[15:17] <RustyFord> in fact we in the USA live under a socialist structure of capitalism
[15:17] <ManKind> RustyFord if china did any hard line communist moves, they would lose inves
[15:17] <ManKind> s
[15:17] <FreeTimer> There is an upper class which is small and there is an abject poverty whe
[15:17] <FreeTimer> So there is a lot of diversity
[15:18] <FreeTimer> but despites its economic growth its still centuries behind us.
[15:18] <RustyFord> Mankind, Capitalism is not a governmental structure
[15:18] <RustyFord> its a economic principal
[15:18] <RustyFord> as long as we pay our taxes
[15:18] <ManKind> RustyFord i understand that. but China's economy is what is driving it's po
[15:18] <RustyFord> yadda yadda yadda
[15:18] <RustyFord> Mankind no its not
[15:18] <ManKind> sigh
[15:19] <RustyFord> its policies are being driven by a single mandate
[15:19] <FreeTimer> Mankind, China is movign toward capitalism, it isnt capitalist yet. It ha
[15:19] <RustyFord> "Whats good for the country"
[15:19] <RustyFord> and the country as a whole"
[15:19] <RustyFord> everyone works for the state
[15:19] <RustyFord> name a single private owned business in China
[15:19] <RustyFord> heh name one in the USA for that matter
[15:19] <RustyFord> the thing is the state in China owns the biggest companies
[15:20] <ManKind> what does privately owned have to do with capitalism?
[15:20] <FreeTimer> I think for china a long path is probably wizer
[15:20] <RustyFord> the political party in china owns the business
[15:20] <RustyFord> its much like the nazi party owning all companies in germany
[15:20] <RustyFord> oh my god mankind
[15:21] <ManKind> corporations arent privately owned, but they drive capitalism in the US
[15:21] <RustyFord> what is capitalism if you don't own your own business?
[15:21] <FreeTimer> But china doesnt own all companies anymore.. Hence the "Capitalist zones
[15:21] <ManKind> and investors in china own what the govt doesnt
[15:21] <ManKind> therefore the govt doesnt own everything
[15:21] <RustyFord> mankind i am not trying to argue with you i might be tottaly wrong
[15:21] <FreeTimer> while talkign about capitalism I should post from my favorite economist o
[15:21] <FreeTimer> When I speak of the future of Capitalism, I mean the future of competitiv
[15:21] <ManKind> RustyFord i understand :)
[15:21] <RustyFord> i just never seen a capitalist market where the STATE owns your company
[15:21] <FreeTimer> That turns capitalism (State capitalism) into a wholly different system t
[15:22] <FreeTimer> We are talking here about private capitalism and free market capitalism
[15:22] <RustyFord> mankind so would it be safe to say that China practices a sort of Nazi'is
[15:22] <RustyFord> national socialism?
[15:22] <RustyFord> but
[15:22] <RustyFord> watch this
[15:22] <FreeTimer> yeah its kind of ironic how china has never had the international zeal Ru
[15:22] <RustyFord> the government doesn't let the people know where the money is going
[15:22] <ManKind> china has lost it's nationalist identities
[15:22] <RustyFord> they aren't very "forth coming or open"
[15:23] <RustyFord> mankind really???
[15:23] <RustyFord> what about the huge dam they just built?
[15:23] <FreeTimer> Which does beg the question were tey truly national sociailists instead o
[15:23] <FreeTimer> Since international socialism was like chrisitanity and Islam, you were s
[15:23] <ManKind> the great leap forward erased much of their culture, then it was never repl
[15:23] <FreeTimer> Well Ihave to go.. Later.
[15:23] * maggotmou is now known as FlankStan
[15:23] <RustyFord> FT, great freakin question!
[15:24] <RustyFord> to this day i don't think that China has sent a man into orbit
[15:24] <RustyFord> we saw a rocket take off
[15:24] <RustyFord> we saw a guy come off
[15:24] <RustyFord> but he was not allowed to take pictures while in space
[15:24] <RustyFord> now that tells me something
[15:25] <RustyFord> i will still maintain that they have never reached space
[15:25] <SweetLeaf> Comon guys what do you think about when getting a blow job bombing an asp
[15:26] <RustyFord> in fact NORAD tracked the flight of the "missle"
[15:26] <RustyFord> but never tracked his movements in space circling our planet
[15:26] <RustyFord> so
[15:26] <RustyFord> i still question if it happened
[15:26] <RustyFord> all we saw was a picture of him getting into some capsule
[15:27] <RustyFord> and the video switched to a rocket
[15:27] <RustyFord> the rocket took off
[15:27] <RustyFord> then it "supposedly came back
[15:27] <RustyFord> and it showed him getting off
[15:27] <RustyFord> heh
[15:27] <SweetLeaf> Then it could be trud Bush did it
[15:28] <RustyFord> i honestly don't think that he ever made it into space
[15:28] <RustyFord> although its possible
[15:28] <RustyFord> we had a private industry launch into space recently
[15:28] <RustyFord> so they could have done it
[15:28] <SweetLeaf> OJ did it
[15:29] <RustyFord> i just don't bet money on it
[15:29] <RustyFord> China says they are hitting the moon in 2010
[15:29] <RustyFord> thats 4 years away
[15:29] <RustyFord> =)
[15:29] <RustyFord> lets see it
[15:30] <RustyFord> if they hit the moon and take pictures
[15:30] <RustyFord> i MIGHT believe it
[15:30] <RustyFord> personally i say we negotiate with iranians and bring a iranian on to the
[15:31] <RustyFord> launch his ass up to space and say "There is the world"
[15:31] <RustyFord> you want to blow it up?
[15:31] <RustyFord> or you want to continue being stupid?
[15:31] <rumbleca> put an iranian on the moon, that'll solve the worlds problems
[15:31] <RustyFord> look at the world and get a close look
[15:32] <RustyFord> there is your home
[15:32] <RustyFord> all this destroyed for what?
[15:32] <RustyFord> your imagination of islam?
[15:32] <Lupine|> SweetLeaf Clinton should have used a 25Mton ICBM on the aspirin factory in
[15:32] <RustyFord> Lupine hahahahha did you see what i posted earlier this morning?????
[15:33] <Lupine|> rusty: naw.. have Cheney use his levitation machine to have Bush "fly out"
[15:33] <RustyFord> Lupine the guy who is quitting F1 to go to NASCAR
[15:33] <RustyFord> =)))
[15:33] <RustyFord> he says F1 is not a challenge anymore
[15:33] <RustyFord> he has already won one championship and wants to play with the "big boys"
[15:34] <RustyFord> hahhahahahhahahahahha
[15:34] <RustyFord> he said in fact he will be focusing on NASCAR 24/7 the training is much m
[15:34] <RustyFord> bigger cars, bigger weights
[15:35] <RustyFord> "the driving is more precise"
[15:35] <SweetLeaf> Now why do I care what Hatami has to say
[15:35] <RustyFord> the endurance is far more extreme
[15:35] <RustyFord> hahahha
[15:36] <RustyFord> i am psyched actually Lupine
[15:36] <RustyFord> i hope he does good
[15:36] * _Forbin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN185plVQLA
[15:36] <Lupine|> RF: aka, he got dumped from his ride as he wasn't winning :-)
[15:36] <RustyFord> uhhh no
[15:36] <RustyFord> he left
[15:37] <RustyFord> he already won a championship
[15:37] <RustyFord> heh
[15:37] <RustyFord> NEXT!
[15:37] <RustyFord> in fact Schumacher is retiring
[15:37] <RustyFord> F1 is going down hill
[15:38] <SweetLeaf> I just got a letter from the secretary of vetrans affairs telling me not
[15:38] <RustyFord> you don't bail on championship winners
[15:38] <Lupine|> Schumacher hasn't announced if he is or not. That is on Sundays
[15:38] <vasili0s> maybe button and honda can win a few now :)
[15:38] <SweetLeaf> but nothing has been compermised
[15:39] <Lupine|> Rusty: oh, btw.. when did Montoya win the F1 championship? I seem to um, mi
[15:40] <Lupine|> oh, and F1 teams bail on championship winners all the time.. witness Villen
[15:42] <RustyFord> Lupine hehehe
[15:42] <RustyFord> Schumachers sponsors have mentioned that this will be his last year
[15:42] <RustyFord> it was in the news earlier
[15:42] <RustyFord> i should have saved it
[15:42] <RustyFord> "sources close to Schumacher"
[15:43] <Lupine|> RF: oh.. well, most of F1 seems to have assumed it.. tons of other drivers
[15:43] <Lupine|> RF: that could be someone reading his bowelmovements in the port-o-let in r
[15:43] <RustyFord> Lupine i like him
[15:43] <RustyFord> i want him to stay but......
[15:43] <RustyFord> it would be the end of an era
[15:43] <RustyFord> the guys is like the most winningest driver isn't he?
[15:43] <Lupine|> if he does.. next year he probably will dominate once again.. since everyon
[15:43] * FlankStan is now known as STan_afk
[15:44] <RustyFord> i mean really
[15:44] <RustyFord> i don't know anyone in F1 other than him
[15:44] <RustyFord> and its only cause he wins so much
[15:44] <Lupine|> 10 FIA career records
[15:45] <RustyFord> damn
[15:45] <RustyFord> thats like Earnhardt in Nascar man
[15:45] <RustyFord> or Richard Petty
[15:45] <Lupine|> Race wins 89 Most race wins on one team 70 most podium finishes 152 m
[15:45] <RustyFord> holy crap
[15:46] <RustyFord> nice
[15:46] <RustyFord> thats the michael jordan of f1
[15:46] <Lupine|> 17 podium finishes in one season
[15:46] <RustyFord> wait wait wait
[15:46] <RustyFord> how many races are in 1 season????
[15:46] <RustyFord> in f1?
[15:46] <Lupine|> 7 consecutive wins
[15:46] <RustyFord> lupine
[15:47] <RustyFord> how many races in one season in f1?
[15:47] <Lupine|> varies on season
[15:47] <RustyFord> there is like what?
[15:47] <Lupine|> 16 or 17 is usual, except for 18 in 2004
[15:47] <Lupine|> 19 2005
[15:47] <RustyFord> 52 weeks in a year ?
[15:47] <RustyFord> there is like 48 races in nascar
[15:47] <RustyFord> wait no thats wrong
[15:48] <RustyFord> because the races end in the end of november
[15:48] <RustyFord> and start up first of febuary
[15:48] <RustyFord> so there are like 35 races in the nascar year
[15:49] <RustyFord> 35 - 38
[15:49] <Lupine|> he's raced 251 times. Won 89 of them, 2nd place 43.. 3rd place 20 times
[15:49] <RustyFord> heh
[15:49] <RustyFord> thats huge man
[15:50] <Lupine|> yea.. 35% of the time he started a race, he won
[15:50] <RustyFord> that never happens in NASCAR
[15:50] <RustyFord> =)
[15:50] <Lupine|> let's subtract where he retired, due to mechanical issues. 45 times
[15:51] <RustyFord> how many other people on the track in f1?
[15:51] <Lupine|> so, he finished 206 races, of those, he won 89
[15:51] <Lupine|> so.. 43% of the races he completes, he wins :-)
[15:51] <RustyFord> how many other people on the track in f1?
[15:51] <RustyFord> average
[15:52] <Lupine|> currently 18
[15:52] <RustyFord> heh
[15:52] <RustyFord> aint that a bitch
[15:52] <Lupine|> teams are limited to 2 cars
[15:52] <Lupine|> that puts a bit hamper on the total number.. plus the budget required
[15:52] <RustyFord> Lupine in nascar there are anywhere from 36-40
[15:52] <RustyFord> all on a round track
[15:52] <RustyFord> even in the championship
[15:53] <RustyFord> and the little fuckers will block you
[15:53] <cyberfrog> duh bewbuhs
[15:53] <Lupine|> i think regulation allows up to 22 on most tracks.. if more teams show up,
[15:53] <RustyFord> heh
[15:53] <Lupine|> think that is 18 on Monacco thou
[15:53] <RustyFord> 46 here
[15:53] <RustyFord> if there are 46 they will break up the field
[15:53] <Lupine|> but in reality.. not all teams are equal at being winners :-)
[15:53] <RustyFord> into two packs of 23
[15:54] <RustyFord> Lupine these guys are cut throats
[15:54] <Lupine|> yea, but there are tons of teams that have no hope of winning, except by fl
[15:54] <RustyFord> i would say lupine in some cases that nascar is bad assed
[15:54] <RustyFord> Lupine these teams when it comes to the chase for the cup
[15:55] <RustyFord> have no chance of winning
[15:55] <RustyFord> but they will take you out
[15:55] <RustyFord> its all about the sponsors being out on the field
[15:55] <RustyFord> and showing their name off
[15:55] <RustyFord> i have seen some crazy shit on nascar man
[15:56] <RustyFord> dudes who have no chance of winning taking a right turn clyde
[15:56] <RustyFord> in front of a race leader
[15:56] <RustyFord> taking him out
[15:56] <TheTailor> Nascar blows!
[15:56] <Lupine|> heh.. you havn't seen several endings of F1
[15:56] <RustyFord> no way man
[15:56] <RustyFord> Lupine hahahha i saw that tape you showed me where the dude flew into the
[15:56] <RustyFord> and got out of the car
[15:56] <RustyFord> that was amazing to me
[15:57] <RustyFord> that would never happen in nascar
[15:57] <RustyFord> if someone flies like that no way would they live to get out
[15:57] <RustyFord> i mean it possible
[15:57] <RustyFord> but oh yeh check this out
[15:57] <RustyFord> watch this
[15:57] <RustyFord> the last three people who have died in races
[15:57] * cyberfrog is now known as cyberfr0g
[15:57] <RustyFord> all nascar
[15:57] <RustyFord> except one
[15:58] <RustyFord> =/
[15:58] <RustyFord> not that i am happy about it
[15:58] <RustyFord> but just trying to prove that nascar is not a friendly sport
[15:58] <RustyFord> when was the last time someone died in football?
[15:58] <RustyFord> heh
[15:58] <cyberfr0g> haha, nascar
[15:59] <Lupine|> RF: last fall I think
[15:59] <RustyFord> professional?
[15:59] <Lupine|> yea.. but that was due to an undetected heart problem I think
[16:00] <RustyFord> heh
[16:00] <RustyFord> yeh
[16:00] <RustyFord> cocaine
[16:00] <RustyFord> dude we didn't know he wasa coke head!
[16:00] <Lupine|> In 1997, he again took the title fight down to the last race, narrowly lead
[16:00] <Katey> ...
[16:00] <RustyFord> i have a few friends who play semi pro
[16:01] <RustyFord> they tell me that its amazing how many pro atheletes do drugs
[16:01] <RustyFord> some of them only smoke pot
[16:01] <RustyFord> =)))
[16:01] <Swigert> hey
[16:01] <RustyFord> but still whatever gets them by
[16:01] <Swigert> Packers!!!
[16:02] <trimseekr> pain relievers are pretty common for athletes
[16:02] <RustyFord> fuck pain relievers
[16:02] <RustyFord> thats assinine
[16:02] <trimseekr> there was that meth outing for baseball players
[16:02] <Katey> yeah. makes much more sense to suffer
[16:02] <Katey> :)
[16:02] <RustyFord> heh
[16:02] <Lupine|> Michael had a terminal problem with his car. (Maybe it had something to do
[16:02] <Lupine|> swigert loves the fudge packers
[16:02] <Swigert> Lupine is a huge Tennessee Titans fan
[16:03] <RustyFord> Lupine Villeneuve is driving for nascar next year strictly
[16:03] <trimseekr> anyone seem armitage on katy couric's show
[16:03] <RustyFord> =)
[16:03] <RustyFord> he dumped f1 all together
[16:03] <Lupine|> RF: yea, but he's been peddling the F1 for a few years.. aint doing that we
[16:03] <RustyFord> Lupine he is a champion thats all that matters
[16:03] <Swigert> so Villeneuve is like that French guy in Talladega Nights?
[16:03] <Lupine|> heh, he got bounced from team to team.. kind of an unwritten rule "he's a
[16:04] <RustyFord> Swigert yeh but he is spanish
[16:04] <RustyFord> =)
[16:04] <Lupine|> RF: not in F1 ;-)
[16:04] <Katey> Swigert, did you see that movie?
[16:04] <RustyFord> FT Villi won the F1 in 98 or 97
[16:04] <Swigert> katey: i did - it was good
[16:04] <Katey> Swigert, ah. I was wondering if it was any good. The ads were pretty funny.
[16:04] <Lupine|> yea, in 97
[16:05] <RustyFord> i don't expect him to win a nascar anytime soon
[16:05] <Lupine|> and in reality, it was only due to MS's engine detonating
[16:05] <RustyFord> so?
[16:05] <RustyFord> he still won
[16:05] <RustyFord> =)
[16:05] <Lupine|> RF: montoya is probably going to be a much better driver in NASCAR
[16:05] <RustyFord> Lupine in Nascar he will be driving the COT
[16:05] <RustyFord> Car Of Tomorrow
[16:06] <RustyFord> they are pumping this shit up up
[16:06] <Swigert> katey: well I don't care for stereotypes, and this movie is replete with th
[16:06] <trimseekr> anyone see that stuff about the audi diesel at the le mans
[16:06] <Lupine|> yea.. a 2 door RWD taurus with a V8 and manual tranny :-)
[16:06] <RustyFord> toyota is submitting designs to nascar Lupine
[16:06] <RustyFord> and they have been accepted
[16:06] <RustyFord> they have Michael Waltrip running them
[16:06] <Lupine|> RF: call me when toyota is shipping a RWD V8 manual transmission coupe :-)
[16:06] <RustyFord> it almost makes me laugh
[16:07] <trimseekr> isn't there a lexus rwd v8
[16:07] <RustyFord> lupine i miss my mitsubishi conquest RWD
[16:07] <Lupine|> at least in the truck series.. you can get the combination in retail trucks
[16:07] <RustyFord> Lupine i ever tell you about that car?
[16:07] <Lupine|> trim: lexus, not toyota.. [ yea yea ], but still a slushbox
[16:07] <RustyFord> that thing was freakin bad assssssssss
[16:07] <Swigert> I have my new Honda Civic
[16:07] <RustyFord> Swigert nice
[16:07] <RustyFord> do you like it?
[16:07] <Lupine|> yea, it was the gen previous to my talon/eclipse
[16:08] <Swigert> Gary Cole plays Ricky Bobby's dad superbly - very funny as a drifter
[16:08] <RustyFord> swigert tell me about your car damn it!
[16:08] <RustyFord> i like the little civics
[16:08] <Swigert> rustyford: 2006 LX
[16:08] <Lupine|> Swigert: did you see Larry King's "interview" with Ricky Bobby?
[16:08] <Lupine|> that shit was _hilarious_
[16:08] <RustyFord> niceeeeeee!
[16:08] <Swigert> lupine: no
[16:08] <RustyFord> Swigert whats the interior like?
[16:08] <Lupine|> they were all in character, and had "guest callins" that were in character
[16:08] <RustyFord> is it comfortable?
[16:09] <RustyFord> swigert take pictures damn it!
[16:09] <Swigert> the interior is inside the car - it is nice
[16:09] <RustyFord> show me
[16:09] <Swigert> rusty: check that link
[16:09] <Lupine|> honda's always have nice interiors
[16:09] <RustyFord> what link?
[16:09] <RustyFord> repost it so i can look
[16:09] <RustyFord> sorry swiggy i love cars man
[16:09] <Lupine|> best interiors are still the italians, followed by the germans thou
[16:09] <Swigert> check your query
[16:10] <RustyFord> nooooooo
[16:10] <Swigert> http://members.shaw.ca/nycwtc911/Civic1.JPG
[16:10] <RustyFord> just repaste the link
[16:10] <RustyFord> ahhh there we go
[16:10] <Swigert> trying to keep it private
[16:10] <RustyFord> ohhh coool!
[16:10] <RustyFord> i like it Swiggy!
[16:10] <Swigert> thanks
[16:10] <Lupine|> NICE! Clinton administration officials demanding ABC censor 9/11 miniserie
[16:10] <MadScribe> i'm trying to imagine, how a trial goes, when you can't see the evidence
[16:11] <Swigert> lupine: so the Dems believe in censorship? so much for their party policy.
[16:11] <MadScribe> rather, can't know
[16:11] * KoBushi liks very plain simple interiors
[16:11] <RustyFord> Swiggy is it a hybrid?
[16:11] <Swigert> rusty: no
[16:11] <Lupine|> you _know_ ABC will say "we wont".. but secretely will do it
[16:11] <RustyFord> swiggy without a hybrid it gets like 35mpg?
[16:11] <RustyFord> heh
[16:11] <RustyFord> and is hella fast
[16:11] <Swigert> rusty: I've gone 2 weeks and only used 1/2 tank
[16:11] <RustyFord> holy crap
[16:11] <Swigert> much better than my old Jetta
[16:12] <MadScribe> Lupine|: listened to the debate on FOX earlier, seems that some facts are
[16:12] <RustyFord> i like the shape of it swiggy
[16:12] <Lupine|> what is that to the left of the plate? block heater plug?
[16:12] <RustyFord> Swiggy does it have that 4 wheel steering?
[16:12] <Swigert> lupine: yes - standard on Cdn cars
[16:12] <Swigert> rusty: no
[16:12] <RustyFord> of is that a thing of the past?
[16:12] <Lupine|> Mad: yea.. i'm sure they are "wrong".. wrong in that hillary's 2008 electio
[16:12] <Swigert> never knew much about that
[16:12] <RustyFord> thats a nice car swiggert
[16:12] <Lupine|> RF: that was only on a few select models.. and yea.. aint around
[16:13] <Lupine|> swigert: 5speed?
[16:13] <Swigert> rusty: thanks - got it last month and I love it
[16:13] <RustyFord> preludes had 4 wheel steering
[16:13] <Swigert> lupine: yup
[16:13] <RustyFord> thats a nice car man
[16:13] <Lupine|> RF: just one of them, SH i think
[16:13] <Swigert> rusty: it's sweet - and it'll have US plates on her next year
[16:13] <RustyFord> hahahha Swigert i love the license plate
[16:13] <RustyFord> New York
[16:13] <RustyFord> RAWWWRRRRRRR!!!!
[16:14] <Herzen> Prime Minister Stephen Harper made an unprecedented appearance Thursday befo
[16:14] <Swigert> rusty: just got it and the frame - the mounting had to be installed
[16:14] <RustyFord> well Swiggy, if you are ever in a rough spot and we meet on a dark highwa
[16:14] <Swigert> herzen: he just keeps getting better
[16:14] <MadScribe> apparently there's a book or something that has Bush being assinated in 2
[16:14] <RustyFord> and i am able
[16:14] <Swigert> rusty: unless I get to where you live - wherever that is - I'll count on it
[16:15] <Swigert> madscribe: movie
[16:15] * RustyFord nods
[16:15] <RustyFord> swig you got friends in more places than you can count
[16:15] <MadScribe> that's already stirring the waters, inappropriate, blah blah blah
[16:15] <Swigert> rusty: where do you live?
[16:15] <RustyFord> trust me
[16:15] <RustyFord> =)
[16:15] <RustyFord> upstate NY
[16:15] <Swigert> rusty: oh right
[16:15] <Swigert> madscribe: well it is
[16:15] <RustyFord> if you are within 3 hours of me
[16:15] <RustyFord> i will help you anytime
[16:15] <MadScribe> same token, it's entertainment
[16:15] <Lupine|> swigert: remember, when you come to NY.. you gotta have these: http://www
[16:16] <RustyFord> thats a promise
[16:16] <Swigert> lupine: not a tank? :)
[16:16] <Swigert> rusty: if I ever get back upstate maybe I will
[16:16] <RustyFord> Swigert, one never knows=))
[16:16] <Swigert> rusty: near Watertown?
[16:17] <RustyFord> hahah Swigert
[16:17] <RustyFord> i would go to watertown on a day off to fish for salmon
[16:17] <RustyFord> what part?
[16:17] <Swigert> I've been through Syracuse, but never to it; otherwise been to Buffalo, Uti
[16:17] <Lupine|> day off? sheeaattt.. you dont work a damn day. not even doing the laundry
[16:17] <tweek> holy fucking shit. I'm looking over old #politics logs
[16:18] <Swigert> last weekend I wrote a total of 4 pages - today alone I wrote 12
[16:18] <tweek> great stuff!
[16:18] <Lupine|> it's log! it's log! its long its hard its wood
[16:18] <tweek> better than bad, it's GOOD
[16:18] <Swigert> lupine: Renn and Stimpy
[16:18] <trimseekr> does this channel have a stats page
[16:18] <RustyFord> Swiget I currently live in Binghamton
[16:18] <trimseekr> is it food
[16:19] <RustyFord> i was raised from Watertown and above
[16:19] <Swigert> rusty: cool
[16:19] <RustyFord> i know more about watertown and north of their than i do about binghamton
[16:19] <RustyFord> my wife is from binghamton otherwise i wouldn't be here
[16:19] <Swigert> I really like NY - mainly because I lived iN NYC
[16:19] <TimothyT> I know people who live in The Hamptons !
[16:19] <RustyFord> i have never been to NYC
[16:20] <RustyFord> and only recently been to see the falls
[16:20] <Swigert> rusty: go some day
[16:20] <RustyFord> i own upstate NY
[16:20] <RustyFord> there is nothing i don't know about upstate
[16:20] <RustyFord> the farmers are some of my best friends
[16:20] <TimothyT> Wellsville ?
[16:21] <RustyFord> yes
[16:21] <Swigert> Springfield?
[16:21] <RustyFord> i know it
[16:21] <RustyFord> no
[16:21] <GregE> upstate NY sucks
[16:21] <GregE> it's like STALE
[16:21] <GregE> moldy
[16:21] <RustyFord> Wellsville?
[16:21] <RustyFord> heh
[16:21] <RustyFord> heh
[16:21] <Lupine|> i've been to bighampton a good half dozen times or so
[16:21] <RustyFord> are you high?
[16:21] <RustyFord> try Heuvelton
[16:21] <RustyFord> Lison
[16:21] <RustyFord> Lisbon
[16:21] <RustyFord> Ogdensburg
[16:21] <RustyFord> Depuyster
[16:22] <RustyFord> the real world
[16:22] <RustyFord> Canton
[16:22] <RustyFord> Potsdam
[16:22] <RustyFord> Malone
[16:22] <RustyFord> Platsburg
[16:22] <Swigert> Herkimer?
[16:23] <RustyFord> heh i have family there
[16:23] <RustyFord> Utica Herkimer
[16:23] <Swigert> Rochester
[16:23] <RustyFord> nope
[16:23] <RustyFord> Rochester is out of my territory
[16:23] <RustyFord> never liked those folks
[16:24] * KoBushi withholds a carburetor joke
[16:25] <GregE> I try to stay on long island or manhattan only
[16:26] * Lupine| notes that kobushi's floater is stuck
[16:26] <Swigert> I lived in Queens so I usually stay there
[16:27] <GregE> I'm in queens too
[16:27] <GregE> Swigert is Swigert@S010600d0b7c3b577.cg.shawcable.net - lol yah
[16:28] <KoBushi> Lupine| nah my carb is laying in the corner, and a megasquirt EFI controlle
[16:28] <KoBushi> controller*
[16:29] <inco> Libertine, you here?
[16:29] <KoBushi> Lupine| my sister almost bought a 98 Jetta TDI yesturday, but when she went
[16:29] <JanetB> you gotta love clinton threatning to sue, if they air this drama, and the cl
[16:31] <Crispy`> So, I realized something...
[16:31] <Crispy`> Politicians are retarded, and assholes.
[16:31] <Swigert> GregE: I LIVED in Queens - 164th and LIE - but I don't anymore.
[16:31] <Swigert> miss it though
[16:31] <Crispy`> I mean, I never really understood why a Republican candidate would only try
[16:32] <Crispy`> Not to mention, all the primary ads are just plain ignorant.
[16:32] <Crispy`> No lie, the ads would attack the other Republican candidate like "He suppor
[16:33] <Crispy`> And then the end said "________. Wrong on Abortion, Wrong on Taxes, Wrong o
[16:33] <Crispy`> It's like, who do you think you are saying what he supports is wrong? You'r
[16:33] <Herzen> The smallest denomination of coin in China is worth around 1/200 the value o
[16:35] <Swigert> GregE: where in Queens are you?
[16:35] <Swigert> herzen: same in Canada
[16:49] <Lupine|> I wonder if any of the students will "get" the ultimate answer of this labo
[16:50] <Lupine|> we shall see.. I told them that I will not specify where to end in the labo
[16:52] <CryHavoc> Lupine...lol
[16:52] <SweetLeaf> Why arent we hearing more about Jack Murtha wanting to instute a Draft???
[16:52] <CryHavoc> the same time they determine the meaning of Mark Twain...Clemens' pen name
[16:53] * occ wants a girl who will laugh for no one else
[16:54] <SweetLeaf> Murtha calls for us to leave Iraq lots o media Murtha calls for Draft not
[16:54] <Lupine|> Cry: It's a lab on analysing/experimenting with sampling times, triggering
[16:54] <inco> wait calls for draft...?
[16:55] <SweetLeaf> Jack Murtha said yesterday that the US needs to reinstute the Draft to di
[16:55] <Lupine|> and when they get the whole setup properly triggered/gated/timed/etc.. you
[16:55] <SweetLeaf> dont ask me what he is talking about
[16:55] <inco> you mean the brainwashing games the army release arent working well enough?
[16:56] <Lupine|> SL: well, i would like to see some discussion or explanation of why they ar
[16:56] <P_O> SweetLeaf, fuck that shit.
[16:56] <SweetLeaf> I am talking about a DIM calling for a draft and no one is hearing about
[16:56] <P_O> A DIM?
[16:56] <P_O> ;x
[16:56] <SweetLeaf> kinda like the LBJ thing
[16:56] <Lupine|> SL: because the media intentionally censors it
[16:56] <inco> i bet they hide it in some bs motion they pass
[16:57] <SweetLeaf> But Murths it the cut n run guy now he is wanting a draft????
[16:57] <SweetLeaf> a
[16:57] <Herzen> What brainwashing games?
[16:57] <inco> americas army
[16:57] <SweetLeaf> Ameirca's army is kick ass
[16:57] <SweetLeaf> I dont know what Murtha is talking about
[16:58] <inco> i never said it wasnt kick ass it just makes people want to join the military
[16:58] <SweetLeaf> draftee's dont make good soldiers
[16:58] <SweetLeaf> Fucking Murtha is and Idiot
[16:58] <Herzen> I would support a compulsory 2 year mandatory service for males in my countr
[16:58] <Herzen> but not a draft
[16:59] <SweetLeaf> Service is the key word Herzen
[16:59] <SweetLeaf> would not have to be military
[16:59] <Herzen> would not have to be combat
[16:59] <Herzen> just basic training and a post for a year and a half
[16:59] <TheTailor> Herzen, what do you do in wartime in Herzenland for troops?
[16:59] <Herzen> TheTailor, strap bombs to dogs and hope for the best
[17:00] <TheTailor> Bah
[17:00] <SweetLeaf> for awhile I think they were given a choice to go to military or peace co
[17:00] <inco> Herzen, that might help our obesity problem
[17:00] <TheTailor> Herzenland is weak ...
[17:00] <P_O> Herzen, http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/dbomb1.gif
[17:00] <Herzen> TheTailor, herzenland is weak, but strapped-bomb dogs is enough to defeat ou
[17:00] <SweetLeaf> I got drafted I was a good pot smoking soldier
[17:01] <inco> you see combat?
[17:01] <SweetLeaf> heh
[17:01] <SweetLeaf> I was lucky only on DMZ in Korea
[17:01] <P_O> Drafts in America just piss me off.
[17:01] <occ> theres not going to be any draft
[17:01] <occ> heh
[17:01] <Herzen> TheTailor, nah in war time, mandatory service for males and then you're in t
[17:01] <SweetLeaf> occ tell that to Jack Murtha
[17:01] <Herzen> TheTailor, then ban abortion and contraception and foster a culture of big f
[17:01] <P_O> "Land of the free, oh here's your compulsory army duty"
[17:01] <occ> pfff
[17:02] <occ> i dont care who says it
[17:02] <rumbleca> herzen: and how often is wartime justified?
[17:02] <Herzen> rumbleca, all the times I declare war, none of the times my enemies declare
[17:02] <Herzen> Duh.
[17:02] <P_O> "As long as tanks are involved always."
[17:02] <occ> hehe
[17:02] <inco> well the us is uh at war right now
[17:02] <SweetLeaf> I like that Herzen
[17:02] <occ> herzen opposed the orange revolution
[17:02] <rumbleca> herzen: if we have sensible wars that's one thing, but how many wars of th
[17:02] <SweetLeaf> inco you got a problem with the USA??
[17:02] <Herzen> rumbleca, I can think of atleast 2.
[17:02] <inco> no i dont
[17:03] <SweetLeaf> sounds like you do
[17:03] <Herzen> rumbleca, the 6 day war in 1967
[17:03] <Herzen> the Sinai peninsula offensive
[17:03] <inco> i just dont like the idea of some old ass bastard in washington sending me to
[17:03] <rumbleca> herzen: ok
[17:03] <Herzen> the taking of Southern Lebanon
[17:03] <Herzen> Vietnam.
[17:03] <Herzen> 2001 Afghanistan campaign
[17:03] <Herzen> 2003 Iraq campaign
[17:03] <Herzen> 1991 Iraq campaign
[17:03] * P_O waits for the flame about Vietnam.
[17:03] <Herzen> Lets see..
[17:04] <Herzen> Oh that business with Thatcher and Argentina
[17:04] <P_O> So far I'm agreeing with Herzen except for 2003 Iraq and possibly Vietnam.
[17:04] <rumbleca> herzen: I disagree with some of those, such as the taking of southern leba
[17:04] <SweetLeaf> lets see the Dims said Moore's movie was ok Killing Bush is Artistic but
[17:04] <rumbleca> falklands? lol
[17:04] <TheTailor> Faulklands
[17:04] <occ> that wasnt moore's movie
[17:04] <occ> you fucker
[17:04] <occ> it was some british indie film!
[17:04] <TheTailor> LO
[17:04] <Herzen> The Cod war
[17:04] <Herzen> between Iceland and Britain
[17:04] <TheTailor> Yeah, 'lol', ever hear of an Exoct?
[17:04] <TheTailor> Exocet
[17:04] <Herzen> Generally I am okay with wars that are good people, taking out assholes or a
[17:04] <Herzen> Vietnam was justified but it was bungled
[17:05] <P_O> SweetLeaf, you know, if you're saying dims as a joke, it's, at the very least i
[17:05] <SweetLeaf> Dumbshit read what I said I did not say it was Moore's film 9/11 was his
[17:05] <Herzen> Panama was okay
[17:05] <Herzen> what else
[17:05] <TheTailor> Vietnam wasn't justified, there wasn't a danger of the domino effect...
[17:05] <occ> id read you if you learned to use basic grammar
[17:05] <Herzen> Vietnam was justified for more reasons then the domino effect
[17:05] <occ> ya motherfucker
[17:05] <TheTailor> I believeed that at the time and didn't want to go, but I would have if c
[17:05] <Herzen> It was justified because Communists are butchers and the Vietnamese don't de
[17:06] <SweetLeaf> hey occ I dont care if you read or talk to me
[17:06] <P_O> I like how occ is so relaxed whilest calling people motherfuckers.
[17:06] <P_O> "ya" instead of "you"
[17:06] <P_O> Classic.
[17:06] <SweetLeaf> if you cant understand me dont talk to me
[17:06] <TimothyT> jhicks : hi
[17:06] <SweetLeaf> others dont have your problem
[17:06] <Herzen> Don't get me wrong, I'm not a rubber stamp for U.S. actions
[17:06] <TheTailor> Then we should hvae stayed and dealt with it, but a mess of pussies whine
[17:06] <Herzen> some crap they did pissed me off
[17:06] <Herzen> like recognizing PRC over Taiwan
[17:07] <Herzen> PRC force aborts babies that are 'illega', Taiwan has little league
[17:07] <Herzen> come on.
[17:07] <Herzen> illegal*
[17:07] <P_O> lol
[17:07] <inco> isnt the same thing going to end up happening with the war in the middle east
[17:07] <TheTailor> We support Taiwan too though
[17:07] * occ supports chiang kai-sheck
[17:07] <occ> (SIC)
[17:07] <TheTailor> inco, no, it's nothing like Viet Nam
[17:07] <Herzen> but that asshat Carter derecognized them :(
[17:07] <rumbleca> yeah I am not surprised you support taiwan
[17:07] <TheTailor> inco, not even remotely close.
[17:07] <inco> it seems like people are bitching about it like it is
[17:08] <Herzen> rumbleca, How could anyone in the free world not support Taiwan
[17:08] <P_O> inco, that's cause Vietnam is almost absolutely recognized as a shitty war no m
[17:08] <SweetLeaf> Barny Fag today said he is going to introduce a bill cutting off money to
[17:08] <Herzen> They're a stable, peaceful democracy practicing prosperous capitalism
[17:08] <TheTailor> inco, sure, dolts that don't know jack shit are.
[17:08] <wiretapp> Carter was probably the most well-meaning President but he just couldn't g
[17:08] <P_O> So trying to make a comparison with it to a modern war you're against makes the
[17:08] <occ> billy beer!
[17:08] <Herzen> Carter was a terrible president
[17:08] <Herzen> Its like he just took the U.S. on a 4 year vacation from the Cold War.
[17:08] <inco> true
[17:08] <TheTailor> Carter was the worst president in histry
[17:08] <TheTailor> history
[17:08] <occ> lets not exaggerate
[17:08] <TheTailor> That isn't an exageration
[17:09] <SweetLeaf> Carter is one of the worst
[17:09] <occ> carter may have been "ineffective" (erm, in the sense that he allowed the hosta
[17:09] <TheTailor> He was the worst.
[17:09] <CometBaby> Carter was one of the worst presidents we have ever had
[17:09] <JanetB> carter almost destroyed this country.. in 4 short years
[17:09] <rumbleca> herzen: more because of the history than the fact that it is now a democra
[17:09] <occ> lets not exaggerate
[17:09] <P_O> lol
[17:09] <occ> carter was a milqtoast
[17:09] <TheTailor> Hostage crisis? How about 21% INTEREST RATES
[17:09] <Herzen> Like I said, Carter took the U.S. on a 4 year vacation from the Cold War
[17:09] <TheTailor> Damn caps lock
[17:09] <JanetB> how about gas rationing
[17:09] <occ> beats me, i was a zygote then, TheTailor ;)
[17:09] <Herzen> How about not containing the Soviet Union and letting them start spreading a
[17:09] <occ> what, you think carter was personally responsible for gas rationing?
[17:09] <JanetB> unemployment higher than it has ever been
[17:09] <Herzen> and took Reagan to clean it up
[17:10] <SweetLeaf> But Jimi brought back the fire side chat
[17:10] <CometBaby> Jimmy Carter was the bitch of "The Trilateral Commission"
[17:10] <occ> haha
[17:10] <TheTailor> Carter should have been president, of France.
[17:10] <wiretapp> Reagan was a bubbling bafoon who continually got lucky
[17:10] <occ> reagan isnt worth the lauds placed upon him, but he was a good public speaker
[17:10] <wiretapp> bumbling
[17:10] <JanetB> he got lucky for 8 years??
[17:10] <Herzen> TheTailor, Carter wasn't fit to be the night manager of the local 7-11.
[17:10] <occ> he did, after all, try to rip us all off
[17:10] <JanetB> heheh
[17:10] <SweetLeaf> Reagan was a GOD
[17:10] <Herzen> TheTailor, Nevermind France.
[17:10] <wiretapp> occ thats bout the nicest thing you can say about him
[17:10] <TheTailor> Reagan was one of the greatest presidents...one of my all time favorites.
[17:11] <P_O> JanetB, Clinton according to many people in here got lucky for 8 years...
[17:11] <Herzen> Clinton was lucky to be elected
[17:11] <occ> clinton was a superior president to reagan
[17:11] <Herzen> and then for 6 of his 8 years he had a Republican majority congress (and sen
[17:11] <occ> in everything but timing
[17:11] <wiretapp> This is one of the funniest reads about Reagan I've ever seen http://www.r
[17:11] <IamKing> SweetLeaf: don't tell an ignorant idiotic leftist like wiretapp that...his
[17:11] <RustyFord> Bush is my favorite
[17:11] <JanetB> clinton.. never got lucky.. he was just the best cook we have ever had in of
[17:11] <occ> clinton ruined himself, though, by getting his cock sucked
[17:11] <JanetB> crook
[17:11] <occ> and thats the bottom line.
[17:11] <CometBaby> don't forget .. Carter also gave away the panama canal
[17:11] <occ> he got a blow-job in the white-house, and thats hard to overlook.
[17:11] <RustyFord> Tailor but thats because i was only 8 years old when Reagan was president
[17:11] <KoBushi> yes, Clinton got lucky many times while in office :P
[17:12] <inco> stupid fucking move givin away the canal
[17:12] <SweetLeaf> now Clinton or Klinton was pretty bad lets all watch ABC this sunday the
[17:12] <RustyFord> Bush is the best president i ever voted for
[17:12] <occ> which bush?
[17:12] <RustyFord> the first president i ever voted for was Clinton
[17:12] <RustyFord> when i was old enough
[17:12] <P_O> occ, besides the adultery aspect, I can't really blame him.
[17:12] <Herzen> Clinton on the Foreign Policy scene was really a do-nothing president
[17:12] <wiretapp> "Everybody knew he was a dumbass. Ronald Reagan was famous for not underst
[17:12] <RustyFord> and i voted for him because i thought he was cool about smoking pot
[17:12] <RustyFord> =(
[17:12] <Herzen> and when he did act it was limited and ineffective
[17:12] <JanetB> oh don't bother watching it. they took out the parts clinton did not like in
[17:12] <Herzen> like bombing that Aspirin plant
[17:13] <SweetLeaf> If I was Klinton with a wife like that I would do Barny F
[17:13] <RustyFord> I hated First Bush
[17:13] <JanetB> caved again to clinton bulling
[17:13] <PyR3X> death to France
[17:13] <Herzen> oh, another justified war
[17:13] <P_O> Clinton can, if he was a dumbass teenager like my friends, now get bragging rig
[17:13] <Herzen> fucking up Kosovo
[17:13] <IamKing> wiretapp: and if you read that as a factual account, then YOU are the one
[17:13] <suna> why do people care that the blowjob happened in the white house? why do they a
[17:13] <RustyFord> 2nd time Clinton ran i didn't vote
[17:13] <Herzen> and all that shit there
[17:13] <IamKing> wiretapp: enjoy your kool-aid, asshat
[17:13] <suna> he lived there, did he not? where did you expect it to happen?
[17:13] <RustyFord> i refused to vote against Dole
[17:13] <P_O> suna, cause it's scandelous or something stupid.
[17:13] <wiretapp> IamKing is ummm supposed to be funny
[17:13] <occ> IamKing derives his position mainly from Fark.com ;)
[17:13] <RustyFord> Dole reminded me of my grand dad
[17:13] <P_O> suna, the more important part is the lying under oath.
[17:13] <P_O> Which even people who hate Clinton will say.
[17:14] <RustyFord> not to mention i can't stand Liddy Dole
[17:14] <suna> yah, after you attack them for first saying "omgmyohihgo he got a blowjob!#@%@
[17:14] <wiretapp> The only thing Clinton did wrong in Kosovo is not start bombing the Serbs
[17:14] <RustyFord> Liddy dole is a HUGE pos
[17:14] <RustyFord> and having her as first lady i couldn't tolerate
[17:14] <SweetLeaf> Klinton has quite a few times to kill UBL and did not so he killed over 3
[17:14] <P_O> suna, although to be fair, getting anything sexual "on the clock" would get any
[17:14] <wiretapp> the UN botched Kosovo, Clinton cleaned up the mess
[17:14] <P_O> Who's not a prostitute anyway.
[17:14] <RustyFord> she fucked up the red cross beyond belief
[17:14] * fonebone is now known as football
[17:14] <suna> true
[17:15] <RustyFord> and its amazing that she never was indicted
[17:15] * Phattie is now known as PhatDan
[17:15] <KoBushi> wiretapp er, TRIED to clean up the mess
[17:15] <suna> i'm not defending the person. I'm just saying if you're gonna call him a bad p
[17:15] <RustyFord> to be honest i was scared of Bush at first
[17:15] <RustyFord> i lived in Texas in 1999
[17:15] <RustyFord> and i was seriously worried
[17:15] <RustyFord> Al Gore?
[17:15] <RustyFord> vs george Bush
[17:16] <RustyFord> hahahhaa
[17:16] <RustyFord> hahahhahaha
[17:16] <RustyFord> no way
[17:16] <SweetLeaf> Look at Klintons admin Sandy Burgler, Albright, Sasquatch attn gen,
[17:16] <RustyFord> I was sick of excuses of Al gore and voted Bush
[17:16] <thun> hopefully jeb will run
[17:16] <RustyFord> i thought about it
[17:16] <CometBaby> suna I gave two very very very good reasons why I felt he was a horrible
[17:16] <RustyFord> and i thought about all my friends
[17:16] <P_O> suna, well a lot of people who have the need to still be talking about Clinton
[17:16] <RustyFord> and i said "no way, Al gore is not presidential material"
[17:16] <P_O> Wow. *what
[17:16] <KoBushi> I don't think Jeb will run, and I don't think he could get the nomination
[17:16] <TheTailor> suna, it's no weak argument when you cite is obvious lack of leadership,
[17:17] <TheTailor> his
[17:17] <suna> comet: good, I wish every person who claimed to hate him did the same. Too bad
[17:17] <RustyFord> i remember the time when he had the oak leaf land on his shoulder while g
[17:17] <RustyFord> and he was not lively
[17:17] <SweetLeaf> Rice should run
[17:17] <RustyFord> he was no compassionate
[17:17] <RustyFord> he was no anything
[17:17] <RustyFord> he was monotoned and uncaring
[17:17] <inco> we all know al gore is a robot
[17:17] <TheTailor> Carter was a dumbass in office, and IS an asshole out of office.
[17:17] <CometBaby> suna sure they do. But you don't hear them .. just like you didn't hear
[17:17] <thun> has any one even considered jesse ventura
[17:17] <RustyFord> and Bush was explaining the true compassionate conservatism
[17:17] <RustyFord> and he had fire in his heart
[17:17] <CometBaby> which is what the left is doing today. They hate that ABC is tellilng the
[17:17] <TheTailor> Carrter should have stuck to growing peanuts and building houses for the
[17:18] <inco> or kinkie friedman! why the hell not ;|
[17:18] <suna> I wasn't even here when you said whatever you said about him comet, I came bac
[17:18] <RustyFord> and so
[17:18] <suna> or i just missed it
[17:18] <RustyFord> i voted for Bush
[17:18] <CometBaby> suna :)
[17:18] <P_O> I like how when mainstream media says just about anything it's left-wing media
[17:18] <RustyFord> and then in the 2nd election my wife who vote for Gore th efirst time
[17:18] <CometBaby> I miss a lot too
[17:18] <RustyFord> listened to Kerry
[17:18] <wiretapp> Interestingly, Carter supposedly had the highest IQ of any of our preside
[17:18] <RustyFord> and she is an expert of health insurance
[17:19] <RustyFord> she said "Kerry is full of shit"
[17:19] <RustyFord> she is a liberal
[17:19] <RustyFord> and a lefty
[17:19] <thun> Carter was horrible
[17:19] <RustyFord> she said "Kerry is full of shit"
[17:19] <CometBaby> P_O .. nobody is defending them. My comment was a reference to the wail o
[17:19] <RustyFord> "He can not promise anything"
[17:19] <RustyFord> "and so SHE voted for Bush
[17:19] <RustyFord> and so did I
[17:19] <wiretapp> CometBaby replace the word "report" with "fabricate" and you have it corre
[17:20] <CometBaby> my gawd .. we can't have anyone talking about clintons role in 9/11
[17:20] <P_O> CometBaby, when is that miniseries (or whatever it is) going to be aired anyway
[17:20] <RustyFord> which i intended on doing anyway
[17:20] <RustyFord> Comet this is funny
[17:20] <RustyFord> are you ready for this?
[17:20] <P_O> I might watch it for a laugh.
[17:20] <CometBaby> wiretapp .. lol. I see you have been reading the talking points. I just
[17:20] <RustyFord> watch this
[17:20] <inco> no CometBaby it was all bush's fault
[17:20] <inco> ...
[17:20] <wiretapp> CometBaby the problem is what appears in the 'movie' didn't actually happe
[17:20] <RustyFord> George Tenet was appointed by Clinton
[17:20] <RustyFord> the CIA head is part of the administration
[17:20] <RustyFord> the ABC story is RIGHT
[17:20] <CometBaby> wiretapp you have seen the movie? You are one of the select few?
[17:20] <TheTailor> wiretapp, all movies are like that, it's a story.
[17:20] <abum> Name the person who said this quote: But in terms of Saddam Hussein being ther
[17:20] <RustyFord> George Tenet quashed the attack on Bin Laden
[17:21] <P_O> I don't get why Clinton cares so much about this.
[17:21] <RustyFord> the fact is GEORGE TENET IS A PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION!
[17:21] <RustyFord> this is classic Clinton
[17:21] <wiretapp> The Senate Democratic leadership just threatened Disney's broadcast licens
[17:21] <RustyFord> redefining the word "is"
[17:21] <KoBushi> "Docu*" movies shouldn't contain falsities or twists of the truth... exampl
[17:21] <wiretapp> CometBaby I read the total summary of it on editorandreview.com
[17:21] <P_O> People who hate his guts aren't going to hate him anymore from seeing it. Peopl
[17:22] <RustyFord> Clinton does not want to take responsibility for the fact that 9/11 occur
[17:22] <RustyFord> and the fact is
[17:22] <RustyFord> IS
[17:22] <wiretapp> I don't think ABC will run it
[17:22] <KoBushi> Weither the ABC movie has innacuracies, I dunno, but if it does it is as de
[17:22] <wiretapp> did you read the last thiing i posted
[17:22] <RustyFord> "is" is the keyword!
[17:22] <TheTailor> IVY REPORT - 4th ID - "Iraqi Forces continue to step up"
[17:22] <CometBaby> wiretapp they sound like the Iraqi prime minister .. making threats
[17:22] <wiretapp> CometBaby you hear Clinton wrote a letter as well?
[17:22] <wiretapp> Do you think ABC will cave in?
[17:23] <KoBushi> besides that... the entire concept of a "docudrama" is ridiculous and borde
[17:23] <occ> hehe
[17:23] <CometBaby> wiretapp .. I don't think ABC wants to do anything but suck up to the Dem
[17:23] <occ> "its like a documentary...but with more melodrama!"
[17:23] <CometBaby> but if they cave in now ... they are going to lose all their credibility
[17:23] <MadScribe> Clinton is responsible for 911? time to warm up the chair no?
[17:23] <KoBushi> occ indeed, if it's not exciting enough allready... too fucking bad
[17:23] <CometBaby> everyone will laugh at them
[17:23] <_Forbin> I dont see the big deal with this ABC thing.....weve known for 5 years how
[17:23] <abum> Feb 26, 2001, Paul Bremer: "The new administration seems to be paying no atten
[17:23] <_Forbin> So they want to block a TV show....big deal....we already know what happene
[17:23] <_Forbin> :>\
[17:24] <Crispy`> WOW.
[17:24] <Crispy`> WOWWWW.
[17:24] <Crispy`> Fucking Pittsburgh booed
[17:24] <Crispy`> the american flag
[17:24] <tweek> it's entertainment.
[17:24] <Crispy`> unfuckingbelieveable.
[17:24] <tweek> Forbin's right. we already know. history's already written. everything's alre
[17:24] <CometBaby> Forbin you never hear this stuff on mainstream media .. the democrats hav
[17:25] <_Forbin> :>\
[17:25] <cyberfr0g> Crispy`: what?!
[17:25] <Crispy`> Yeah.
[17:25] <Crispy`> I'm gonna hope
[17:25] <Crispy`> they booed something else
[17:25] <Crispy`> like, an arab
[17:25] <Crispy`> or something
[17:25] <cyberfr0g> during what
[17:26] <tweek> yeah that's a real step up.
[17:26] <TheTailor> Crispy`, huh?
[17:26] <Crispy`> But they were like "In tribute of the upcoming 9/11 anniversary blah blah b
[17:26] <Crispy`> and they puled out the giant american flag
[17:26] <CometBaby> Here is a quote from ABC's announcement today: "No one has seen the fina
[17:26] <Crispy`> and they all booed
[17:26] <cyberfr0g> sigh
[17:26] <CometBaby> they will change it.
[17:26] <TheTailor> Crispy`, where are you getting this?
[17:26] <abum> does that mean abc is going to change the facts
[17:26] * Pickle changes topic to 'ABC rewrites history after Democrats complain'
[17:27] <tweek> ...
[17:27] <Crispy`> TheTailor: I'm watching the game.
[17:27] <Crispy`> Pickle: What?
[17:27] <CometBaby> I am not going to watch it now
[17:27] <tweek> like you ever were, and don't deny it.
[17:27] <tweek> is it confirmed that they're changing it?
[17:27] <CometBaby> of course I was .. I wanted to see what all the stink was about.
[17:28] * Pickle changes topic to 'ABC rewrites history after Democrats complain: http://tinyurl.co
[17:28] <CometBaby> but if they are going to rewrite it .. then I am not interested
[17:28] <CometBaby> it will be the same old same old
[17:28] <tweek> s/see what all the stink was about/whine about teh Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy/
[17:28] <Pickle> Yep. See the URL.
[17:28] <tweek> ... links isn't built yet and X keeps crashing but I'll check it out later
[17:28] <CometBaby> haha .. there will be hell to pay over this .. abc is screwed now
[17:29] <CometBaby> I hope people pull their advertising
[17:29] <CometBaby> abc cannot be trusted .. if you ever needed proof .. you got it tonight
[17:29] <tweek> ABC *cannot be trusted*?
[17:30] <Crispy`> Hahaha.
[17:30] <Crispy`> Ok.
[17:30] <Crispy`> So, Dem's whine.
[17:30] <tweek> it's fucking entertainment.
[17:30] <Crispy`> And ABC changes the truth?
[17:30] <Crispy`> Unbelieveable.
[17:30] <KoBushi> *yawn*
[17:30] <CometBaby> I will be bringing this up until the end of time :)
[17:30] <redfish> tweek is still trying to figure out Mullholand Drive
[17:30] <KoBushi> such bias is absurd
[17:30] <abum> you guys dont even watch abc news
[17:30] <abum> why would you watch abc fiction
[17:30] <wiretapp> Educational media giant Scholastic, Inc. announced it's dropping its origi
[17:30] <wiretapp> "After a thorough review of the original guide that we offered online to a
[17:30] <wiretapp> looks like everybody is ducking and running from this ABC movie
[17:30] <wiretapp> heh
[17:31] <wiretapp> nobody even wants to claim it
[17:31] <Pickle> tweek: "Roots" was entertainment, but if they rewrote the script to make it
[17:31] * football is now known as `fonebone
[17:31] <CometBaby> wiretapp thats pretty vague .. "did not meet with our standards" .. what
[17:31] <tweek> valid point.
[17:31] <CometBaby> didn't lie enough?
[17:31] <CometBaby> wasn't biased enough?
[17:31] <CometBaby> didn't rewrite history enough?
[17:31] <tweek> but honestly, editing out a part where Clinton seems distracted by Lewinsky .
[17:32] <CometBaby> yes
[17:32] <wiretapp> its weird that there was a "classroom companion guide" anyway
[17:32] <KoBushi> a "docudrama" shouldn't be in a classroom
[17:32] <CometBaby> if it is no big deal why was the left so upset?
[17:32] <CometBaby> if it is no big deal why was the left so upset?
[17:32] <wiretapp> it is a big deal
[17:32] <Kaliuna> because it portrays the Clintons in a bad light - and the administration as
[17:32] <Pickle> tweek: When the context is that Clinton allowed Bin Laden to get away, yes,
[17:32] <CometBaby> can't have any truth about clintons role in 9/11 getting out there
[17:32] <Kaliuna> thats why they are complaining
[17:32] <CometBaby> must blindfold the media
[17:33] <Pickle> "After much discussion, ABC executives and the producers toned down, but did
[17:33] <CometBaby> lol
[17:33] <Pickle> That has nothing to do with Lewinsky.
[17:33] <KoBushi> What is interesting is that no one here has seen the movie.... How is ANYON
[17:33] <CometBaby> Sandy Burgler
[17:33] <CometBaby> we must protect his good name
[17:33] <CometBaby> ROFL
[17:33] <KoBushi> HOW DO YOU KNOW? You don't, your operting off your ridiculous bais
[17:33] <wiretapp> I am surprised this movie has called so much controversy
[17:33] <wiretapp> before it even airs
[17:33] <tortus> sandypants
[17:34] <CometBaby> KoBushi .. pickle just answered your stupid fucking rant
[17:34] <tortus> love that one\
[17:34] <Pickle> KoBushi: We don't know, but what we do know is that ABC has rewritten histor
[17:34] <Kaliuna> Well there are some who have seen it -- they will report back on any discre
[17:34] <ChartPro> !seen starly
[17:34] <tweek> KoBushi: that's mainly the reason I call BS on this supposed fucking travesty
[17:34] <abum> it's not history
[17:34] <abum> it's fictional
[17:34] <CometBaby> "ABC executives and the producers toned down" .... that from ABC
[17:34] <tweek> isn't even out yet and you're whining about it
[17:34] <KoBushi> CometBaby no he didn't... do you know if that conversation ever took place
[17:34] <CometBaby> "ABC executives and the producers toned down" .... that from ABC
[17:34] <wiretapp> KoBushi you know people have written detailed summarys of the movie and ma
[17:34] <abum> jonben
[17:34] <abum> sup
[17:34] <CometBaby> KoB .. they changed it
[17:34] <Pickle> tweek: No, we're "whining" about ABC rewriting history to suit the complaint
[17:35] <CometBaby> cowards
[17:35] <CometBaby> lol
[17:35] <Kaliuna> KoBushi - actually there is a recording of it
[17:35] <redfish> clone jon benet ramsey
[17:35] <Fr^JonBen> sup abum
[17:35] <CometBaby> now they get to live with the consequences of it
[17:35] <tweek> Pickle: believe it or not, but Dems watch TV too.
[17:35] <CometBaby> ABC is a joke
[17:35] <wiretapp> I bet the left won't be happy with the changes, there were a lot of compla
[17:35] <CometBaby> John Dean runs ABC
[17:35] <tweek> $20 says most of 'em don't care about this bullshit.
[17:35] <KoBushi> Kaliuna if you can prove that a scene which portrays a REAL event was remov
[17:35] <CometBaby> he is the editor
[17:35] <TheTailor> I'm not even whining about ABC kissing ass, I expect them too.
[17:35] <tweek> but yeah, it's fiction either way.
[17:36] <tweek> and it isn't even fucking out yet.
[17:36] <Kaliuna> KoBushi -- you don't listen to radio - they have played the audio recording
[17:36] <Pickle> tweek: Yes, they do. Southerners watch tv, too.
[17:36] <KoBushi> I, however, will continue to hate the very concept of a "docudrama"
[17:36] <CometBaby> ABC buckled .. nobody can ever claim they are anything but an arm of the
[17:36] <tweek> and you guys are already calling for the destruction of ABC basically.
[17:36] <Pickle> tweek: Who is "you guys"?
[17:36] <tweek> mainly Comet :)
[17:36] <ChartPro> oh hi friends.
[17:36] <TheTailor> tweek, well no, nobody did that, you made it up.
[17:36] <ChartPro> TORSO: Feel as fit as you did in your 20s—even if you've done a lot of sit
[17:36] <CometBaby> tweek .. liar. I havent said anything like that.
[17:37] <ChartPro> GENTLEMEN, BE 30 YEARS YOUNGER. READ THE ABOVE!!
[17:37] <Fr^JonBen> im eating nachos and getting drunk
[17:37] <tweek> ChartPro: diaf
[17:37] <Pickle> tweek: Comet is mainly predicting that ABC is going to get in major shit for
[17:37] <CometBaby> I said that ABC buckled. They bowed to the left yet again. And I also sa
[17:37] <KoBushi> ChartPro why would I want to be -4 years old?
[17:37] <tweek> CometBaby: didn't you say earlier that you wanted advertising funding to be c
[17:37] <ChartPro> KoBushi Laff
[17:37] <ChartPro> i like that
[17:37] <CometBaby> tweek I said that I hope they lose advertisers over this .. and I suspect
[17:37] <TheTailor> ChartPro, "when they..."
[17:38] <ChartPro> article on longevity : http://health.msn.com/menshealth/articlepage.aspx?c
[17:38] <TheTailor> ChartPro, what was the rest of it?
[17:38] <CometBaby> whats wrong with that? lol
[17:38] <Kaliuna> Comet -- not one thing oh and BTW HI!
[17:38] <tweek> I don't see what's such a big deal about it.
[17:38] <ChartPro> TheTailor : they had when they were tested 30 years before.
[17:38] <CometBaby> hi kali :)
[17:38] <tweek> it's ... again ... fiction.
[17:38] <CometBaby> well tweek can't handle it
[17:38] <CometBaby> lol
[17:38] <tweek> like, it's a portrayal of something that happened.
[17:38] <CometBaby> ABC buckled
[17:38] <wiretapp> This is another scandle that woudn't have even been a big story if not for
[17:38] <ChartPro> i think that's very impressive
[17:38] <CometBaby> they bowed to the left .. yet again
[17:38] <tweek> it doesn't have to be accurate. it's intended not to be accurate.
[17:38] <TheTailor> ChartPro, so why is that news?
[17:38] <tweek> just ... entertaining.
[17:39] <CometBaby> and now they get to live with the consequences of it. I hope they are go
[17:39] <Kaliuna> you can watch CNN -- live feeds of 911 all day...
[17:39] <ChartPro> TheTailor: a lot of people don't know that!
[17:39] <TheTailor> oh
[17:39] <tweek> you've now graduated from whining about supposed bias in reporting to bias in
[17:39] <tweek> think about that for a bit.
[17:39] <TheTailor> I do
[17:39] <ChartPro> Consider yourself very well informed sir
[17:39] <KoBushi> tweek the fact that "docu..." is in the name of what they are calling it ma
[17:39] <CometBaby> tweek .. you are the one who is whining. ABC buckled. Live with it :)
[17:39] <Kaliuna> tweek -- it is the DEMS who were claiming the show was biased -- how could
[17:39] <CometBaby> |/ha
[17:39] <CometBaby> ha ha
[17:40] <tweek> Kaliuna: was mainly Clinton from what I read earlier today.
[17:40] <Pickle> tweek: If I make a historical drama about the holocaust that suggests that o
[17:40] <tweek> and who cares what he thinks.
[17:40] <TheTailor> ChartPro, I started to exercise about 5-6 years ago, I'm 51 now and likel
[17:40] <tweek> anyway, *no one* has seen this yet.
[17:40] <KoBushi> Kaliuna I agree, someone must have gotten info somewhere up that chain
[17:40] <Pickle> And no amount of "it's ENTERTAINMENT" is going to get ABC out of this.
[17:40] <Kaliuna> tweek -- no wasn't JUST Clinton -- several Dems spoke out - listened to rad
[17:40] <ChartPro> TheTailor: that is VERY impressive. It takes discipline
[17:40] <tweek> Pickle: you're now comparing this to Holocaust denial? ffs.
[17:41] <ChartPro> I wish my dad would do that
[17:41] <redfish> thetailor youre going to die a fit man
[17:41] <Pickle> Because that's a patently bullshit argument. It's a historical drama--meani
[17:41] <Kaliuna> KoBushi -- yup and some have seen it --- including that "entertainer - Rush
[17:41] <FreeTimer> I agree unless its 5 million, vs 7 million but frankly I dont see the imp
[17:41] <ChartPro> its not about qty of life its quality of life as well
[17:41] <TheTailor> redfish, heh, yeah, prolly get in a car wreck
[17:41] <FreeTimer> If it were only 1 million it would he a horror..
[17:41] <Kaliuna> hi FREE!!!
[17:41] <abum> to quote a wise man about history: "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead
[17:41] <FreeTimer> Hey Kali!
[17:41] <CometBaby> it was produced by the entertainment division .. not the news division.
[17:41] <byLL> The democrats are in engaging in censorship and stifling free speech - WASHING
[17:41] <TheTailor> ChartPro, he needs a partner, do it with him
[17:42] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- I put up 10 pints of grape jelly today -- not bad for a small
[17:42] <ChartPro> when/if I move back to Mich I will
[17:42] <Pickle> tweek: No, I'm saying that movies that rewrite history to suit a political a
[17:42] <byLL> Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada denounced the five-hour televisi
[17:42] <TheTailor> ChartPro, you want him to be around till he's 100 right?
[17:42] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer oh and one gallon jug of wine!
[17:42] <CometBaby> byll .. thats going to be the big news that comes out of this
[17:42] <ChartPro> TheTailor: yes and I worry
[17:42] <Pickle> Like ABC is about to do.
[17:42] <FreeTimer> ABC's Program could cost the dems elections, I can understand why they do
[17:42] <byLL> Reid and other leading Senate Democrats wrote to Robert Iger, president and CE
[17:42] <ChartPro> he had a quintuple bypass about 5 years ago
[17:42] <TheTailor> ChartPro, even small amounts of exercise cnan make a big difference.
[17:42] <TheTailor> can, sheesh
[17:42] <Crispy`> Ok, so, apparently even the NY Post said ABC was lying in the show?
[17:43] <Crispy`> And the NY Post is pretty conservative.
[17:43] <ChartPro> TheTailor: you're right
[17:43] <Kaliuna> Wonder what the DEMS will say about the newest released Osama Tape -- pre 9
[17:43] <FreeTimer> I saw an excerpt, its true they saw it as a law enforcement issues largel
[17:43] <redfish> thetailor no you will die from a complication in your exercise routine
[17:43] <KoBushi> Who cares about the docu-drama, read the 9/11 commission report instead
[17:43] <byLL> Chronicling events leading to the September 11 attacks, the movie suggests the
[17:43] <TheTailor> redfish, more likely from getting shot or stabbed...for cheating in a pok
[17:44] <CometBaby> I guess the orignial showed Sandy Burgler telling them not to kill bin la
[17:44] <FreeTimer> And then the Democrats make a big deal over Usama not being dead and us b
[17:44] <ChartPro> are these guys insane? http://www.st911.org/
[17:44] <Kaliuna> KoBushi I did read the report - it didn't dig far enough...
[17:44] <tweek> ChartPro: very.
[17:44] <FreeTimer> Hes frightened and that can't look good..
[17:44] <tweek> ChartPro: kill a few if you see 'em in public. no one will notice.
[17:44] <FreeTimer> He has no port of call he can stand at.
[17:44] <ChartPro> i took a cursory look at it. Talk about major denial or so it seems.
[17:44] <redfish> freetrade he should start writing a blog
[17:44] <tweek> they're generally very weak as well.
[17:44] <ChartPro> tweek, what's wrong with them. There is so much detail in what some are do
[17:45] <Pickle> Yes. The whitewashing in question specifically involves Berger, not Lewinsk
[17:45] <tweek> they're dumbfucks, that's what.
[17:45] <FreeTimer> The Leftwing Blogs are all ready to simultaneously attack ABC. Do rightwi
[17:45] <Kaliuna> and have we ever found out ALL that Berger took out of the archives??
[17:45] <FreeTimer> I htink its great when Blogs debunk lies and prove things the MSM makes m
[17:46] <ChartPro> i wonder if its just excruciatingly painful denial on their part..a psycho
[17:46] <ChartPro> or are they just flat out subversive?
[17:46] <Kaliuna> Actually - the more the blogs attempt to debunk it - the more people will w
[17:46] <Pickle> CometBaby: Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the rewrites involve pinning
[17:46] <tweek> FreeTimer: it's in the papers now. what Kaliuna said; this is good press if a
[17:46] <FreeTimer> But Acting like a couple Competeing unions in deception is disturbing but
[17:47] <FreeTimer> I dont go to blogs...
[17:47] <Kaliuna> One thing -- Watch it for yourself - see if it jives with what you know....
[17:47] <FreeTimer> Rarely Ill go to one
[17:47] <TimothyT> Berger is a stank hoe !
[17:47] <FreeTimer> but I am not into it.
[17:47] <tweek> no thanks. fuck ABC; nothing they ever do is good anyway.
[17:48] <L0c0> check out this name: Estrella Pfanestiel
[17:48] <Kaliuna> tweek - think of it this way -- if you don't watch it - how R U going to kn
[17:48] <L0c0> what kind of name is Pfanestiel?
[17:48] <CryHavoc> german
[17:48] <FreeTimer> Like I said where they bring light to darkness, truth to falsehood, fact
[17:48] <L0c0> nationality/etc
[17:48] <L0c0> hmm
[17:48] <tweek> that's the *least* reason to watch it.
[17:48] <Pickle> FreeTimer: Actually, Michelle Malkin and her friends are trying to intimidat
[17:48] <CryHavoc> fahn a stale
[17:48] <panini> Berger stuffed his pants
[17:48] <tweek> the best thing to do with anyone even trying to argue over this shit is just
[17:48] <L0c0> fan-a-steel?
[17:48] <FreeTimer> Ive seen DailyKos come and try to shut down this channel right here.
[17:48] <L0c0> close
[17:48] <L0c0> eheh
[17:48] <L0c0> thanks
[17:49] <FreeTimer> Because they want to stop our speech
[17:49] <CryHavoc> no...as I spelled it
[17:49] <CryHavoc> steil would be steel
[17:49] <L0c0> Cryhavic: thanks, i have to call that teacher and i don't wanna fuck it up hah
[17:49] <tweek> FreeTimer: the actual head?
[17:49] <Kaliuna> pani - true -- and do we know if everything was returned?
[17:49] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- ya sad to say isn't it...
[17:49] <Pickle> FreeTimer: Sadly for Malkin and the rest of the immigration xenophobes, Anhe
[17:49] <panini> I didn't realize Markos is gay until I say him TV
[17:49] <FreeTimer> Tweek, dozens and dozens and dozens of thier members.
[17:49] <CryHavoc> in german the second of 2 inline vowels is pronounced
[17:49] <panini> saw
[17:49] <FreeTimer> I presume it was sanctioned.
[17:49] <tweek> doubtful
[17:50] <FreeTimer> How the fuck would you know ?
[17:50] <FreeTimer> You didnt fight it off for weeks
[17:50] <tweek> hard to control that type of shit.
[17:50] <CryHavoc> that was a good deal...just finished sorting through 16 pounds of sports c
[17:50] <tweek> and he'd stand to lose quite a bit.
[17:50] <FreeTimer> Its consistant with the Reputation of that site to do such things.
[17:50] <FreeTimer> Its perfectly consistant.
[17:50] <panini> hey, he hacked Lieberman's website
[17:50] <CryHavoc> A Michael Jordan Plaque...8 Jeff Gordon Plaques
[17:51] <tweek> well I don't even know what happened with it
[17:51] <CryHavoc> 5 Shaq rookie cards
[17:51] <panini> he had a lot to lose by doing that too
[17:51] <FreeTimer> So the presumption is that they sanctioned it, they = the members.
[17:51] <FreeTimer> well You sure no a lot for someone who doesnt know anything about it..
[17:51] <tweek> thought you meant something like 'the admins themselves organized this'.
[17:51] <c|ear> CryHavoc, my mother has the rookie car of jeff gordon, the babe ruth car
[17:51] <FreeTimer> Why would you comment if you dont know anything.
[17:51] <tweek> I've seen this type of thing before.
[17:51] <tweek> YTMND vs. eBaum's.
[17:51] <Pickle> FreeTimer: I don't think it's always wrong. For example, the gunowner lobby
[17:51] <RustyFord> dude MJ 23!
[17:51] <RustyFord> RAWWRRR!!!
[17:51] <Pickle> That was a grand thing.
[17:51] <FreeTimer> If I said it rained all week this week 15 years ago would you say "Doubt
[17:52] <tweek> Max wasn't really able to do anything about it.
[17:52] <RustyFord> MJ23 rules!
[17:52] <CryHavoc> Rustyford a nice MJ plaque...still in its plastic sleeve
[17:52] <RustyFord> sorry but Michael Jordan is the most amazing person ever except for maybe
[17:52] <CryHavoc> and a buch of Jeff Gordon shit...
[17:52] <RustyFord> JeffGordon???
[17:52] <FreeTimer> Pickle, I dont know if the ends justifies the means, now if they didnt kn
[17:52] <RustyFord> dude
[17:52] <CryHavoc> Magic dipped the wrong entrance
[17:53] <RustyFord> the rainbow warrior???
[17:53] <RustyFord> hahhahahahhaha
[17:53] <FreeTimer> Thats the fine line I suppose I am talking about.
[17:53] <RustyFord> I know a person who would buy it all
[17:53] <CryHavoc> had Magic done the Kobe Bryant he would have thinked before he dinked
[17:53] <FreeTimer> It all depends on their actions.
[17:53] <RustyFord> Jeff Gordon sucks
[17:53] <Pickle> FreeTimer: They simply threatened to stop buying from K-Mart, particularly g
[17:53] <FreeTimer> if they come here and try to shut down the channel I dont approve of it.
[17:53] <RustyFord> Cry
[17:53] <RustyFord> uhhh
[17:53] <CryHavoc> Rustyford..I am told he is a major race car driver
[17:53] <FreeTimer> Oh well Boycotts are perfectly legitimate
[17:54] <FreeTimer> I do them myself all the time.
[17:54] <RustyFord> Magic fucked way more women than Kobe
[17:54] <RustyFord> ever
[17:54] <CryHavoc> true...
[17:54] <RustyFord> hehehhehehe
[17:54] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- I seldom boycott much-- am too busy doing other things!
[17:54] <KoBushi> RustyFord speaking of nascar, I'll soon be making nascar-like power thanks
[17:54] <FreeTimer> Thats not denying others free speech its simply casting your vote with yo
[17:54] <CryHavoc> But that is Kobe's new prhase: Think before you Dink!
[17:54] <RustyFord> they have stories like 5 women vs Magic
[17:54] <KoBushi> (I know that link is off topic, but I'm excited since I got my stuff today
[17:54] <RustyFord> and magic slammed everyone of them
[17:54] <RustyFord> hehehhehehhe
[17:54] <RustyFord> Cry think Dr J
[17:54] <tweek> boycotts are rarely effective unless done in a *big* group.
[17:54] <CryHavoc> but he done caught the Skimmy
[17:54] <RustyFord> RAWRRR!
[17:54] <CryHavoc> Skinny
[17:54] <tweek> and vocalized.
[17:54] <Pickle> FreeTimer: However, the Democrats are using that same tactic with ABC to get
[17:55] <RustyFord> back in the day!
[17:55] <Pickle> FreeTimer: That crosses a line.
[17:55] <CryHavoc> maybe he slammed Dr J too
[17:55] <FreeTimer> Again the line I draw is hacking, Flooding channels like this, Using dece
[17:55] <RustyFord> Cry man do you remember watching the doc?
[17:55] <KoBushi> Pickle would it be crossing a line if they things in question WERE untrue/i
[17:55] <CryHavoc> Rustyford..not really....
[17:55] <FreeTimer> Pickle, right.
[17:55] <RustyFord> his fro would be all flaring back when he went for the slam
[17:55] <KoBushi> the*
[17:55] <CryHavoc> I can spot the money cards...
[17:55] <cyberfr0g> you will never get the same amount of backing today that the civil rights
[17:55] <Pickle> KoBushi: Yes.
[17:55] <RustyFord> Cry oh man when i was a kid we would watch basketball
[17:55] <KoBushi> Pickle k then :)
[17:56] <Lupine|> Kobushi: but the difference is, your car is a stock car suped up. :-)
[17:56] <CryHavoc> Goodwill shuffles 1000s of pounds of them
[17:56] <tweek> Pickle: how dare they alter ... fiction?
[17:56] <RustyFord> my cousin would try to immitate DrJ
[17:56] <RustyFord> hahhaha
[17:56] <Pickle> tweek: It isn't fiction.
[17:56] <RustyFord> he was real tal
[17:56] <RustyFord> it was soooo awesome
[17:56] <tweek> if it isn't true, what is it?
[17:56] <CryHavoc> oh Rustyford...guess what else I found in the batch
[17:56] <RustyFord> Cry check this out
[17:56] <KoBushi> Lupine| true true... but that's what NASCAR used to be! (and SHOULD still b
[17:56] <RustyFord> Nascar was "Cal Yarborough
[17:56] <CryHavoc> Michael Jordan 1st Round Draft Pick
[17:56] <RustyFord> remember him?
[17:56] <Lupine|> KoB: at least in the truck series.. you can buy a real truck, RWD V8 with m
[17:56] <RustyFord> ernie irvan who died
[17:57] <RustyFord> Dal sr was a rookier
[17:57] <L0c0> Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.
[17:57] <CryHavoc> in a hard plastic case
[17:57] <Lupine|> Rusty: was that the guy who thought he was on fire, so he stripped off his
[17:57] <KoBushi> Lupine| I mean, why call it "Stock car racing" when none of them have any s
[17:57] <RustyFord> amazing shit back then
[17:57] <RustyFord> Richard petty
[17:57] <Pickle> tweek: It's history revisionism.
[17:57] <CryHavoc> yes I do
[17:57] <tweek> but if it wasn't true to begin with...
[17:57] <Lupine|> Kob: oh, they are similar. They have the same logo! :-)
[17:57] <FreeTimer> YOu want to stop ABC, then you pull all those shows with Martin Sheen as
[17:57] <RustyFord> Wilt chamberlains knees were blwon out
[17:57] <RustyFord> and he still played
[17:58] <RustyFord> Johnny bench was catching for the reds
[17:58] <RustyFord> Pete rose was on the Phillies
[17:58] <L0c0> Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday,lying in Hospitals dying
[17:58] <L0c0> of nothing.
[17:58] <FreeTimer> Because even though that wasnt based on any facts I think at times they w
[17:58] <L0c0> Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars And a substantial
[17:59] <FreeTimer> But the point is just because something my hurt someones image when its b
[17:59] <FreeTimer> which is supposed to be based on non fiction
[17:59] <L0c0> In the 60s, people took acid to make the world weird. Now The world is weird a
[17:59] <tweek> The West Wing ...
[17:59] <FreeTimer> Both use some artistic license but the truth is there.. they have consult
[17:59] <tweek> now you really *are* whining about fiction revisionism
[17:59] <KoBushi> L0c0 no more Galiger for you
[17:59] <tweek> and no I haven't seen it either
[18:00] <L0c0> one more
[18:00] <L0c0> We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located among the millio
[18:00] <L0c0> Maybe we should put the Department of Agriculture in charge of immigration.
[18:00] <FreeTimer> Tweek you better not be talkign to me I dont like to every be accused of
[18:00] <RustyFord> man i bet you guys don't even remember Johnny Hustle
[18:00] <RustyFord> heh
[18:00] <RustyFord> that shit was awesome
[18:00] <FreeTimer> every \ ever
[18:00] <RustyFord> KC vs Phillies
[18:00] <RobVanDam> L0c0: not true, we have no clue to where all the mad cow disease cows are
[18:01] <RustyFord> how about reggie Jackson!
[18:01] <Pickle> tweek: I'm "whining" about a political group getting a tv network to rewrite
[18:01] <RustyFord> RAWR!!!
[18:01] <RobVanDam> i would implant tracking devices in illegal immgrants
[18:01] <RobVanDam> and if they come back
[18:01] <RobVanDam> have a little "human hunt"
[18:01] <RobVanDam> ala dick cheney
[18:01] <RustyFord> Reggie! Reggie! Reggie!
[18:01] <Pickle> And it demonstrates why the Democrats are even more dangerous than the Repub
[18:01] <RustyFord> Reggis sucked at the eng
[18:01] <RustyFord> end
[18:01] <RobVanDam> i joke about that
[18:01] <RustyFord> he had that big fro under his helmet on the oakland A's
[18:01] <RobVanDam> but for repeat offenders who keep coming
[18:01] <RustyFord> heh
[18:02] <RobVanDam> implant them with a device to track them
[18:02] <FreeTimer> Anyone who cant see through the lies is blind anyway.. But then Pardon me
[18:02] <RobVanDam> build a giant moat
[18:02] <RobVanDam> and fill it with dragons
[18:02] <tweek> Pickle: tbh I still don't know what is being 'rewritten' so I'll leave it at
[18:02] <Lupine|> Pickle: my prediction: ABC will publically claim they are not, but they WIL
[18:02] <FreeTimer> I didnt read it all I admit that but the earliest facts an the facts of t
[18:02] <tweek> Lupine|: didn't they already publically claim they will?
[18:02] <Lupine|> tweek: all you need to know is: the election campaign for hillary clinton 2
[18:02] <Pickle> tweek: It is being rewritten. They wrote it one way, and then re-wrote it a
[18:03] <FreeTimer> I wonder it Al gore being the first president in history to hold up a tra
[18:03] <FreeTimer> This is why I dont like elections which are not played by the rules.
[18:03] <FreeTimer> the law said in Florida if its within 2% it requires a recount automatica
[18:03] <FreeTimer> a recount was automatically done, Bush won.
[18:04] <FreeTimer> Then they filed lawsuits, cherry picking districts
[18:04] <Lupine|> FT: even worse.. CHANGING what constitutes a vote
[18:04] <FreeTimer> Using interpretative psychology to determine if a dimpled chad was an int
[18:04] <Lupine|> "divining the intent of the voter"
[18:04] <FreeTimer> Yeah that whole affair was disgusting.
[18:04] <FreeTimer> And in the end when the press finally counted them all BUsh STILL WON
[18:05] <tweek> psychic vote tallies.
[18:05] <FreeTimer> and yet today They still accuse him of stealing the election.
[18:05] <Lupine|> even the florida supreme court's ruling was a violation of federal election
[18:05] <tweek> it was close. that alone is enough for the losers of any election to whine ab
[18:05] <FreeTimer> God you know I can like people who disagree with me, Its a free world, Bu
[18:05] <FreeTimer> Tweek no it isnt.
[18:05] <Lupine|> tweek: not true, look at nixon
[18:05] <tweek> their specific complaints about hanging chads and the like have little merit.
[18:06] <FreeTimer> Republicans didnt whine when Nixon lost by even a smaller margin to JFK i
[18:06] <Pickle> Speaking of close elections, get ready for a civil war in Mexico.
[18:06] <tweek> haha! well-said Pickle
[18:06] <FreeTimer> Historians later determined the mob stole the election for Joe, But Nixon
[18:06] <FreeTimer> Because no president in US History had every done what Gore did.
[18:06] <Pickle> The leftists are planning to set up a rival government.
[18:07] <FreeTimer> Pickle, no shit.
[18:07] <FreeTimer> Thats insane.
[18:07] <L0c0> 1st dow
[18:07] <Lupine|> FT: politics is full of such dichotomies. when clinton was president, GOP i
[18:07] <tweek> well, I haven't been really paying attention before Bush/Gore.
[18:07] <LSMan> lol lupine|
[18:07] <tweek> the fact is that it will become a lot more common.
[18:07] <FreeTimer> Lupine, Republicans have played fair too much ? Or maybe its right to tak
[18:07] <LSMan> they held up so many of clinton's second term judges
[18:07] <LSMan> I dunno what country you were living in...
[18:08] <FreeTimer> Second term judges ?
[18:08] <tweek> as it is being tried in Mexico
[18:08] <FreeTimer> No such thing
[18:08] <RustyFord> Cry you got any plaques of Domuinuque Williams?
[18:08] <tweek> as it was in the Ukraine
[18:08] <LSMan> second term nominees, that is
[18:08] <RustyFord> heh
[18:08] <RustyFord> that guy was amazing
[18:08] <debauched> the judge thing began with Bork getting trashed by the Democrats. They st
[18:08] <Lupine|> LS: which nomination fo the US supreme court did they hold up?
[18:08] <tweek> hell even Kerry supporters were suggesting it
[18:08] <FreeTimer> They didnt fillibuster a single judge.. they didnt all make it to a vote,
[18:08] <Lupine|> right, a fair up and down vote is fine, regardless of how it swings
[18:08] <Lupine|> to use back parlor tricks however
[18:08] <LSMan> that's just it though freetimer, they didn't even get hearings
[18:08] <FreeTimer> Thats the way politics works, Bush will leave office with 50 or so vacanc
[18:09] <LSMan> they did the same things the democrats did when they controlled the senate
[18:09] <debauched> can Bush do a second recess appointment of the same nominee?
[18:09] <LSMan> didn't let nominees out of committee
[18:09] <debauched> like the Ambassador to the UN, Bolton?
[18:09] <FreeTimer> Stupid Chaffee.
[18:09] <FreeTimer> Hes hurting our foreign policy
[18:10] <FreeTimer> I agree we should tells Israel to stop building in settlements but this s
[18:10] <RustyFord> Lincoln chaffee is not a republican
[18:10] <RustyFord> period
[18:10] <FreeTimer> Yes he is
[18:10] <LSMan> lupine|, it got to the point where rehnquist complained in his annual report
[18:10] <FreeTimer> he voted for him last time
[18:10] <RustyFord> FT, in name only
[18:10] <LSMan> because the gop controlled senate was holding up nominees
[18:10] <FreeTimer> And party affiliatin is based on who you register with, not how you vote.
[18:10] <RustyFord> stop giving him the honor of being a republican
[18:11] <RustyFord> i am sick of this sstuff
[18:11] <RustyFord> i am sick of the likes of Chaffee
[18:11] <Pickle> I would say that I'm not going to watch ABC because of this, but I already n
[18:11] <RustyFord> even if it was a good bill he wouldn't vote for it if it was a republican
[18:11] <LSMan> well, you might want him to stay anyway rustyford
[18:11] <LSMan> polls suggest laffey will get killed
[18:11] <RustyFord> actually
[18:11] <FreeTimer> Some would say I am not a Republican, I am too Libertarian. But i disagre
[18:12] <tweek> does anyone really watch ABC?
[18:12] <RustyFord> polls have been pulling ahead by 6% for Laffey
[18:12] <debauched> Bolton will block the lame attempts of the Japs, who have a gov run my or
[18:12] <tweek> there isn't ever anything good on.
[18:12] <RustyFord> and thats beyond the "correction"
[18:12] <LSMan> latest poll I saw had laffey losing the general by double digits
[18:12] <LSMan> that was last week
[18:12] <RustyFord> LS thats funny
[18:12] <RustyFord> the latest poll i saw which was last week said the opposite
[18:12] <FreeTimer> But anyway you watch, I predict the GOP holds both houses and what Ill do
[18:13] <debauched> MacArthur could have exterminated the yakusa secret societies, but I thin
[18:13] <debauched> we did not help Japan at all
[18:13] <RustyFord> LSman the poll i saw was a reuters poll
[18:13] <RustyFord> ohh sorry
[18:13] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- ya I think they will hold Senate, but House might be tight...
[18:13] <RustyFord> CNN poll
[18:14] <tweek> FreeTimer: you may not want to hold me to that.
[18:14] <LSMan> freetimer, it just depends on the climate in november
[18:14] <RustyFord> in fact i think that the majority of polls will show that democrats are w
[18:14] <LSMan> if the election were held today, I don't know many operatives in either party
[18:14] <LSMan> senate is almost certainly going to stay republican
[18:14] <FreeTimer> Kaliuna, I will buck with conventional wisdom, Voters will get in there t
[18:14] <RustyFord> the votes will favor the republicans
[18:14] <LSMan> just because of the seats that are up
[18:14] <RustyFord> in fact
[18:14] <FreeTimer> it wont be for love of Republicans.
[18:14] <FreeTimer> it will be because they cant trust the democrats
[18:14] <FreeTimer> because the democrats are liars and obstructionists and have no vision wh
[18:14] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- ya I agree -- on that....
[18:15] <RustyFord> i saw a recent poll where the democrat supporters are willing to HOLD the
[18:15] <debauched> they should have hanged the emperor anyway, made a nice newsreel film of
[18:15] <RustyFord> until 2008
[18:15] <Lupine|> people like Hillary would release OBL because he was not read his miranda r
[18:15] <RustyFord> hahahha
[18:15] <FreeTimer> There lies come in things like thier new plan for Iraq which is exactly w
[18:15] <RustyFord> sorry you guys
[18:15] <LSMan> freetimer, I think what you just described is what every party in power says
[18:15] <FreeTimer> And they claim they arent pulling out when their plan is to in fact pull
[18:15] <debauched> err seppuku?
[18:15] <RustyFord> but there will be no "impeachment of Bush this year"
[18:15] <RustyFord> hahahhaha
[18:15] <debauched> hara kiri is actually Indian
[18:15] <LSMan> and I think most people will probably say, "well, we need someone putting the
[18:15] <LSMan> but we'll see
[18:16] <FreeTimer> Also They will spend 2 years trying to impeach Bush for the worst reasons
[18:16] <FreeTimer> Bush is so fucking mild compated to FDR and TRuman...
[18:16] <Lupine|> hara kiri is the second stage of enlightenment for the hari krisna's
[18:16] <FreeTimer> And Wilson
[18:16] <LSMan> there's not going to be any impeachment hearings
[18:16] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: hanging fdr would have been nice
[18:16] <FreeTimer> Abd LBJ
[18:16] <LSMan> this isn't the radical gop congress of the late '90s
[18:16] <RustyFord> lets face it the only result of control of house and senate that the demo
[18:16] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: or just take away his wheelchair
[18:16] <tweek> fuck FDR.
[18:16] <RustyFord> in 2008 the real battle will begin
[18:17] <FreeTimer> RVD, His abuse of presidential power has never even been approximated, An
[18:17] <LSMan> rustyford, the result of control of one house of congress is that bush doesn'
[18:17] <LSMan> and that's fine with me
[18:17] <RustyFord> the majority of democrats who have money in stake in this election
[18:17] <FreeTimer> And yet democrats still worship at the Alter of FDR
[18:17] <RustyFord> LS, he doesn't have control now
[18:17] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: well fdr was a democrat, democrats are allowed to abuse power
[18:17] <DarthBurg> how about ABC standing strong, and speaking truth to power, huh? huh?
[18:17] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: I take it you didn't get the memo....
[18:17] <RustyFord> LS you forget that the Senate can submit their own bills without congress
[18:17] <Lupine|> the real evil of FDR was to keep socialism/communism alive and well. the n
[18:18] <RustyFord> or have you failed to read the constitution lately?
[18:18] <FreeTimer> I even think FDR was a decent War president, though his control over dome
[18:18] <debauched> they redefine torture to include sleep deprivation and stress positions,
[18:18] <RustyFord> we don't need the constitution
[18:18] <FreeTimer> No Government can take away rights without first raising taxes, because t
[18:18] <RustyFord> we have the courts and the senate
[18:18] <LSMan> rustyford, that's part of my point
[18:18] <LSMan> other advantage of having control of one house is that there's actually a pla
[18:18] <LSMan> right now the republicans control the agenda everywhere
[18:18] <RustyFord> LS what part of the courts and the senate don't you get?
[18:18] <RustyFord> so?
[18:18] <RustyFord> they have a good agenda
[18:19] <RustyFord> whats the agenda of democrats?
[18:19] <LSMan> wtf are you talking about?
[18:19] <RustyFord> explain this to us?
[18:19] <RobVanDam> i wouldn't say good
[18:19] <DarthBurg> Bush's agenda needs love
[18:19] <LSMan> I'm not following how the constitution enters into this at all
[18:19] <RobVanDam> better than the democrats maybe
[18:19] <FreeTimer> Bush lowered taxes, Got rid of regulations, made domestic government less
[18:19] <RustyFord> LS explain to us the AGENDA of the democrats?
[18:19] <RobVanDam> but not good by a longshot
[18:19] <RustyFord> please?
[18:19] <RustyFord> i am waiting
[18:19] <FreeTimer> After ww2 they considered putting a military man on the board of every ma
[18:19] <RustyFord> if a democrat has an agenda i might listen
[18:19] <RustyFord> so LS whats the agenda of democrats?
[18:19] <debauched> If the Dems get the White House in 2008, they could prosecute Bush, Rumsf
[18:19] <DarthBurg> I know the Donkeys agenda, "We are going to Hell on the Road paved with G
[18:20] <debauched> some people would face the deeath penalty
[18:20] <RustyFord> i vote for the best person for the job
[18:20] <LSMan> freetimer, you can't be serious - bush is spending at record levels, he's pus
[18:20] <RustyFord> LS?
[18:20] <RustyFord> wait wait wait
[18:20] <RustyFord> i asked you a specific question
[18:20] <RustyFord> and you went onto FT
[18:20] <RustyFord> how about answering my question first
[18:21] <tweek> RustyFord feels ignored
[18:21] <RustyFord> what is the agenda of the democrats?
[18:21] <RustyFord> tweek you are just as good
[18:21] <FreeTimer> Thats called fascism and yes I have studied the power grab between ww1 an
[18:21] <RustyFord> explain to us the agenda of the democrats
[18:21] <DarthBurg> actually, Bush's executive power grab is not even open for debate. but s
[18:21] <tweek> better answer him before he turns emo
[18:21] <RustyFord> i usually have you on ignore
[18:21] <debauched> what is "teaching to the test?" Like do they have the questions and answe
[18:21] <RustyFord> tweek you are mostly known as a person who ccan't debate or have a real c
[18:22] <RustyFord> so
[18:22] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer hmm would make for an interesting discussion... and yes paper!
[18:22] <RustyFord> tweek
[18:22] <LSMan> rustyford, I think democratic leaders have pretty consistently said their age
[18:22] <FreeTimer> LSman, Bush has reduced taxes, He has reduced regulation, He wants to red
[18:22] <RustyFord> answerthe question
[18:22] <LSMan> I'm actually curious what the REPUBLICAN agenda is these days
[18:22] <DarthBurg> I think its clear putting GOV in charge of education was a first class mi
[18:22] <RustyFord> none of you can
[18:22] <RustyFord> LS
[18:22] <debauched> Why are their Norweigans on IRC who understand English better that most A
[18:22] <tweek> answer what question?
[18:22] <LSMan> other than continuing to do whatever it is we're doing badly in iraq and, uh.
[18:22] <debauched> err there
[18:22] <DarthBurg> The Republican agenda includes, but is not limited to, dead terrorists.
[18:22] <RustyFord> answer what is the agenda of the democratic party
[18:22] <LSMan> eliminating the death tax?
[18:22] <tweek> who gives a fuck.
[18:22] <DarthBurg> lowering taxes is a republican thing yes
[18:22] <LSMan> rustyford, I just told you heh
[18:22] <RustyFord> tweek twitches
[18:22] <RustyFord> LS man coughs
[18:22] <FreeTimer> Yes he spend more because we had 911, We had wars after 911 and we has th
[18:23] <RustyFord> they suck each others dick
[18:23] <Libertine> DarthBurg: i thought terrorists wanted to die tho..
[18:23] <RustyFord> you have answer nothing
[18:23] <tweek> RustyFord: are you high or something?
[18:23] <DarthBurg> Libertine the trick is catching them before they grab some more airliners
[18:23] <KoBushi> DarthBurg I agree hat putting gov in CHARGE of education is a mistake, howe
[18:23] <tweek> you think I'd know?
[18:23] <RustyFord> tweek are you stupid you have not done anything
[18:23] <tweek> you think I'd care?
[18:23] <LSMan> freetimer, you're just wrong - he's cut taxes, but in every other aspect he's
[18:23] <tweek> they simply do not matter.
[18:23] <RustyFord> thats it right
[18:23] <DarthBurg> KoBushi i have a better idea, how about a little competition in the educa
[18:23] <RustyFord> the rest of america doesn't matter
[18:23] <Libertine> DarthBurg: Repubs could be viewed as being soft on terror; by giving them
[18:24] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: I don't know if i would call the result of katrina a natural d
[18:24] <RustyFord> only tweek and his bullshit does
[18:24] <DarthBurg> why set artifically LOW standards?
[18:24] <RustyFord> hahahhahaha
[18:24] <tweek> ... #politics needs new trolls
[18:24] <LSMan> rustyford, I just rattled off a pretty specific agenda, and you didn't answer
[18:24] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: more like the stupidity of southerners
[18:24] <RustyFord> this is classic tweek
[18:24] <Kaliuna> tweek - we don't need no trollies
[18:24] <FreeTimer> Eliminating the death tax is more popular with all people than it is with
[18:24] <LSMan> right now it seems to just be, "call the democrats weak on security and prete
[18:24] <RustyFord> when you can't answer call someone a troll
[18:24] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: and the army corps of engineers
[18:24] <DarthBurg> i missed the Donkey agenda, can you hum it again?
[18:24] <RustyFord> sit there and insult someone
[18:24] <RobVanDam> FreeTimer: they destroyed the marshes...
[18:24] <RustyFord> then call them a troll
[18:24] <tweek> can't? I *DO* *NOT* *CARE*
[18:24] <KoBushi> DarthBurg because then you end up with a patch work and a large seperation
[18:24] <RustyFord> classic tweek
[18:24] <RustyFord> Tweek
[18:24] <RustyFord> dude
[18:24] <FreeTimer> Anyway, I have to go watch a movie..Then I am going to bed early I got up
[18:25] <tweek> I don't know how to smack this into you any other way
[18:25] <debauched> the Galveston hurricane of 1900 (?) hasd 6,000 dead. All able bodied men
[18:25] <FreeTimer> Later
[18:25] <RustyFord> the only reason you are here is no one catches on to your bullshit
[18:25] <tweek> besides physically
[18:25] <Kaliuna> FreeTimer -- later --
[18:25] <tweek> FreeTimer: later man
[18:25] <KoBushi> DarthBurg though, I wouldn't be opposed to educational competition provided
[18:25] <DarthBurg> LSMan are there any Donkey agenda items I do not have to pay for?
[18:25] <RustyFord> heh
[18:25] <DarthBurg> universal healthcare?
[18:25] <FreeTimer> Democrats are weak on national security is there an honest man or woman h
[18:25] <RobVanDam> debauched: or pot
[18:25] <DarthBurg> gov should not be in healthcare
[18:25] <RustyFord> Tweek freetrade isn't going to save you
[18:25] <FreeTimer> The only people who doubt it dont believe we have a threat to national se
[18:25] <RustyFord> he knows what kind of low life you are
[18:25] <FreeTimer> and there are a lot of them
[18:25] <FreeTimer> Later :)
[18:25] <DarthBurg> minimum wage? GOV should not be setting price caps on labor
[18:26] <debauched> not pot, they would be debauched
[18:26] <tweek> RustyFord: Goddamn man, and you still think you aren't trolling?
[18:26] <DarthBurg> oh, and the civil war in Iraq, was up to Saddam, not bush.
[18:26] <LSMan> darthburg, we can argue the merits of the agenda, I was just answering his qu
[18:26] <tweek> now you're directly attacking me and I dunno why.
[18:26] <RobVanDam> debauched: nothing wrong with pot in an emergency :)
[18:26] <tweek> I'm no fucking Dem. I do not know / care about their agenda.
[18:26] <RustyFord> tweek god dman man you are still talking to me?
[18:26] <DarthBurg> LSMan thats not an agenda, thats nanny GOV
[18:26] <RustyFord> hahahha
[18:26] <RobVanDam> debauched: like smelling dead people and burying them
[18:26] <tweek> because you are.
[18:26] <LSMan> besides, you're paying a lot for the republican agenda, too - all the militar
[18:26] <tweek> ... jesus I get better trolling than this on LS
[18:26] <RustyFord> tweek you act like one constantly
[18:26] <LSMan> darthburg, it's still an agenda, it's just one you don't like ;)O
[18:26] <RustyFord> you have been banned for being a moron repeatedly
[18:26] <DarthBurg> LSMan well, GOV is actually supposed to have the military see
[18:26] <tweek> RustyFord: how?
[18:26] <debauched> yes, floaters can be pretty rank
[18:27] <tweek> RustyFord: when?
[18:27] <RustyFord> what part of being a moron don't you get?
[18:27] <DarthBurg> record deficits?
[18:27] <DarthBurg> who gave us defecit spending again?
[18:27] <RobVanDam> debauched: sounds reasonable.. i mean what else are people going to be do
[18:27] <DarthBurg> hellooooo
[18:27] <RustyFord> tweek the only person here who is a troll is you
[18:27] <debauched> give them M17 gas masks to cover the stench
[18:27] <RustyFord> who keep accusing those that you disagree with as being a troll
[18:27] <RobVanDam> "ahhhhh!"
[18:27] <RobVanDam> "underpants gnomes!"
[18:28] <LSMan> darthburg, are you forgetting that the last time we had a balanced budget, a
[18:28] <tweek> disagree with? fuck man, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about
[18:28] <UNIT^01> hi mr PPV
[18:28] <DarthBurg> actually, talk of the defecit these days i actually like, cuz most people
[18:28] <RustyFord> tweek shall i post it
[18:28] <RobVanDam> hey unit
[18:28] <UNIT^01> the whole f'n show?
[18:28] <RustyFord> or do you like to conveniently forget after 3 minutes of conversation
[18:28] <debauched> a Republican Congress forced Clinton to balance the budget, and Clinton t
[18:28] <RustyFord> dont' fucking play me or you will lose
[18:28] <UNIT^01> i saw you open for the battle of the bam bams
[18:28] <tweek> what is this that you're doing, right now?
[18:28] <tweek> not trolling?
[18:28] <tweek> anything but trolling?
[18:29] <LSMan> debauched, then why is it that the republican congress suddenly started creat
[18:29] <tweek> lay the fuck off man, or put up.
[18:29] <UNIT^01> bam bam biggelo Vs. terry bam bam gordy!
[18:29] <Pickle> The only thing funnier than the party that invented deficit spending accusin
[18:29] <DarthBurg> LSMan no, actually I am not, and for the record, i pitched a fit when Bus
[18:29] <debauched> they got into a war?
[18:29] <LSMan> started happening before the war...
[18:29] <RustyFord> hahaha
[18:29] <RustyFord> Tweek same something useful
[18:29] <LSMan> anyway, I'm just saying, nobody can say with a straight face that the current
[18:29] <debauched> in the first 9 months of the W administration?
[18:30] <DarthBurg> LSMan how do you reconcile the hypocritical nature of your Idealogy?
[18:30] <RustyFord> instead of acting likea moron
[18:30] <Pickle> Oh, wait. Those are both the SAME FUCKING PARTY?
[18:30] <DarthBurg> LSMan Bush is no Right winger, that is for sure over.
[18:30] <inco> LSMan, i can say it with a straight face
[18:30] <LSMan> darthburg, how am I being a hypocrite?
[18:30] <tweek> Pickle: the core of both parties has changed a bit since the 1860's I'd hope.
[18:30] <DarthBurg> LSMan on one hand you gripe about GOV spending, on the other you claim th
[18:31] <KoBushi> DarthBurg by it being true that both parties spend way too much fucking $ ?
[18:31] <debauched> W is a good ol' boy from Texas, and brought a bunch of career criinals fr
[18:31] <tweek> not saying that the argument is valid at any rate.
[18:31] <DarthBurg> KoBushi I have never argued that over
[18:31] <debauched> damn this kb drops letters
[18:31] <LSMan> darthburg, it's a question of changing the priorities of what we spend and ro
[18:31] <KoBushi> At least, that's how I justify it, I can't answer for LSMan
[18:31] <LSMan> I'm hardly advocating a welfare state
[18:32] <RustyFord> [21:22] <+tweek> RustyFord: are you high or something?[21:22] <+
[18:32] <DarthBurg> LSMan so, you would raise taxes, and spend more, or less?
[18:32] <Lupine|> Wow.. sprint is using scenes from My Name is Nobody.. that's a semi obscure
[18:32] <RustyFord> <+tweek> now you're directly attacking me and I dunno why.
[18:32] <RustyFord> and he says i am directly attacking him
[18:32] <RustyFord> hahah
[18:32] <debauched> like Michael Powell, W fell far from the tree
[18:32] <RustyFord> nice
[18:32] <LSMan> if you call rolling back bush's irresponsible tax cuts raising taxes, then ye
[18:32] <DarthBurg> it is what it is
[18:32] <DarthBurg> what makes Bush's tax cuts so bad?
[18:32] <RustyFord> i would suggest that tweek needs to get a clue
[18:32] <LSMan> well, I disagree, since by that logic once you cut taxes it's politically imp
[18:33] <DarthBurg> hahahahaha
[18:33] <RustyFord> tweek likes to act like an ass and then claim he is "innocent"
[18:33] <DarthBurg> tell that to the democrats who never find a tax they can not raise.
[18:33] <DarthBurg> LSMan again, i ask you, would you raise taxes, and spend more, or less?
[18:34] <Pickle> ROFL.
[18:34] <DarthBurg> ok, I will modify that, what are we spending in iraq, 400 billion a month
[18:34] <Pickle> No more raising taxes. Now we're "rolling back tax cuts".
[18:34] <LSMan> darthburg, I didn't even give you a specific healthcare plan heh
[18:34] <tweek> that was after you mistook me for LSMan, demanding an answer from somebody -
[18:34] <Pickle> Nice newspeak, LSMan.
[18:34] <DarthBurg> LSMan anything you propose would have the GOV role's increased in healthc
[18:34] <tweek> 'once you cut taxes it's politically impossible to raise them again'
[18:34] <LSMan> oh yes, of course
[18:34] <LSMan> it's a social responsibility
[18:34] <tweek> typically more the other way around.
[18:35] <DarthBurg> quiet, he actually answering the questions, or trying to, thats fucking r
[18:35] <RustyFord> LSMan has balls at least to argue his point
[18:35] <chrisf> whois this, |--?
[18:35] <RustyFord> Chriss he is a disgruntled customer
[18:35] <chrisf> he keeps msg'ing me ads about another net
[18:35] <RustyFord> =)))
[18:35] <DarthBurg> LSMan all right, so you think healthcare is a right?
[18:35] <RustyFord> Darth actually
[18:35] <RustyFord> its a right
[18:35] <DarthBurg> RustyFord, no, actually, its not.
[18:36] <RustyFord> Darth i will argue that
[18:36] <LSMan> I wouldn't say right... but I think the government should at least use its po
[18:36] <DarthBurg> and you will lose.
[18:36] <LSMan> and to make it possible
[18:36] <RustyFord> the doctors oath
[18:36] <RustyFord> read it sometime
[18:36] <DarthBurg> LSMan why do you wish to make employers responsible for healthcare/
[18:36] <DarthBurg> ?
[18:36] <RustyFord> they can help those in need and its their duty
[18:36] <KoBushi> LSMan simple, make it 100% tax deductable
[18:36] <Pickle> chrisf: Some spammer. For the record, we actively encourage the idiots who
[18:36] <RustyFord> the heppocratic oath
[18:36] <RustyFord> read it sometime
[18:37] <LSMan> kobushi, yeah, I mean, that's not a horrible idea - and it is important to ma
[18:37] <DarthBurg> RustyFord I was not aware the hypocratic oath was part of the constitutio
[18:37] <tweek> Hippocratic
[18:37] <LSMan> with people getting care they don't need, etc.
[18:37] <RustyFord> not to mention that the constitution does mention something about the Wel
[18:37] <RustyFord> etc etc etc
[18:37] <RustyFord> or something
[18:37] <DarthBurg> tweek I knew i spelled it wrong
[18:37] <Libertine> hrm.. you know; it's rare that the drudgereport comes up w/o any stories
[18:37] <DarthBurg> LSMan so, how much of the US budget is currently goint to Healthcare?
[18:38] <tweek> way too fucking much already imo.
[18:38] <RustyFord> Darth, you would deny health care to someone who was dying if you could h
[18:38] <KoBushi> Libertine do any include Steve Irwin? :P
[18:38] <RustyFord> you just don't give a fuck?
[18:38] <RustyFord> heh
[18:38] <RustyFord> dude
[18:38] <Libertine> example: today is a Level IV 9/11 Day for Drudge as it has 4 articles wit
[18:38] <tweek> KoBushi: fuck, I'd estimate half.
[18:38] <DarthBurg> it says, "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness, which does not inc
[18:38] <RustyFord> if thats the case when you need a ride to the hospital i am going to ask
[18:38] <tweek> it's all over LS. every two seconds somebody's like 'did u hear Steve Irwin d
[18:38] <RustyFord> if you don't pay up you can fuck yourself
[18:38] <DarthBurg> um, its september, when is it ok to talk about 911?
[18:38] <Libertine> KoBushi: nope, it doesn't
[18:38] <tweek> and for the next solid hour+ there's nothing but stingray-related jokes
[18:38] <DarthBurg> LSMan how much did the US spend on healthcare?
[18:39] <RustyFord> tweek, yeh stingray, lets see, i wished you would have died instead of St
[18:39] <LSMan> darthburg, well, medicare is obviously huge... but the problem isn't so much
[18:39] <RustyFord> and thats a fact
[18:39] <DarthBurg> yes, the aussie steve irwin is dead. sad tale really
[18:39] <RustyFord> Steve Irwin was a great man
[18:39] <LSMan> partly because the insurance people DO have doesn't really make them feel the
[18:39] <RustyFord> what have you done lately?
[18:39] <poorboy> good evening ladies and gentlemen!
[18:39] <LSMan> so there's lots of people that have too much insurance, and lots of people th
[18:39] <DarthBurg> LSMan well, you have touched on it, why have health care costs gone up?
[18:40] <KoBushi> "too much insurance" ?
[18:40] <GregE> cause we have the best most advanced health care treatment in the world!?
[18:40] <DarthBurg> ok, for the record, I would like to point out, and have everyone realize
[18:40] <LSMan> kobushi, not a technical term ;)
[18:40] <poorboy> My first time on this chat.
[18:40] <Fischbek> DarthBurg lots of reasons: many say it's due to medical insurance! no
[18:40] <tweek> RustyFord: honestly man, the hell did I do to you?
[18:40] <LSMan> yeah, that's kind of my point fischbek
[18:40] <DarthBurg> Fischbek all right.
[18:41] <Fischbek> DarthBurg also malpractice insurance is very high. drugs are high.
[18:41] <KoBushi> DarthBurg among other factors because of insurance companies, and a lack of
[18:41] <gopp> hey
[18:41] <gopp> di dyou people see this
[18:41] <gopp> http://www.amazon.com/b/?&node=16261631
[18:41] <DarthBurg> could possibly the GOV's role in picking up the health care tab might als
[18:41] <gopp> DarthBurg did you hear who I got to speak with and chat for 10 mins today
[18:41] <RustyFord> tweek i dunno
[18:41] <gopp> RustyFord guess who I had a chat with
[18:41] <RustyFord> tweek want to talk about it in private?
[18:41] <gopp> guess, some famous in nj
[18:42] <gopp> some one
[18:42] <KoBushi> DarthBurg maybe, but probably not much... I'd say that laws requiring chari
[18:42] <DarthBurg> See, thats the thing I can not grasp, clearly there is far more than one
[18:42] <RustyFord> i am more than willing to talk to you about what you did in private
[18:42] <Fischbek> DarthBurg I don't know. If someone is on the dole, all their medical bil
[18:42] <gopp> KoBushi guess who I spoke to today, some famous in nj goverment
[18:42] <TheTailor> gopp talked to Castro!
[18:42] <gopp> TheTailor no my governor corzine
[18:42] <KoBushi> But look at Thailand.... extremely inexspensive medical care there, Mexico,
[18:42] <tweek> RustyFord: I don't even know what the fuck I did
[18:42] <RustyFord> i will refuse to discuss it in channel
[18:42] <tweek> and I barely know who the fuck you are
[18:42] <TheTailor> gopp, we talked about it earlier :-)
[18:42] <Fischbek> DarthBurg hmmmmm.... 'cause it can make some groups VERY wealthy...
[18:42] <tweek> all I know is I'm being trolled, and hard
[18:43] <DarthBurg> and which political party put us at the mercy of the insurance co's? or
[18:43] <RustyFord> well then fuck you
[18:43] <gopp> TheTailor did you know, I asked corzine in front lot his people " are you goin
[18:43] <gopp> he basically said NO
[18:43] <tortus> did you see karr was getting a sex change in thailand for 1600?
[18:43] <Fischbek> tweek what's wrong?
[18:43] <TheTailor> tweek, well that would be a first
[18:43] <gopp> TheTailor I got my ipod stolen
[18:43] <gopp> from my car
[18:43] <RustyFord> you sit here and claim i am a troll i have tried to talk to you in privat
[18:43] <tweek> TheTailor: I get worse in LS
[18:43] <DarthBurg> Fischbek I do not find the concept of people making money a bad thing.
[18:43] <TheTailor> tweek, Imagine that, you, being trolled
[18:43] <RustyFord> and you want to act like an asshole
[18:43] <KoBushi> DarthBurg it has happened over such a period of time, I don't think a pin c
[18:43] <gopp> TheTailor I am pissed
[18:43] <RustyFord> so fuck you
[18:43] <gopp> I got my ipod take from my car
[18:43] <DarthBurg> profits are not evil, excessive or otherwise.
[18:43] <Fischbek> DarthBurg I'm opposed to communism
[18:43] <gopp> I Think some saw my ipod in my car and figured how to roll down the window
[18:43] <tweek> 'tried to talk to you in private' - err, no you haven't
[18:43] <RustyFord> then you kiss the ass of the ops
[18:43] <gopp> fucken fagots
[18:43] <DarthBurg> Fischbek who isn't?
[18:43] <RustyFord> neato
[18:43] <gopp> if I see some in the street with my ipod
[18:44] <gopp> I will kick his ass
[18:44] <Fischbek> DarthBurg socialized medicine is communistic
[18:44] <gopp> and or call the cops
[18:44] <RustyFord> gopp not me
[18:44] <tweek> gopp: you'd be able to tell?
[18:44] <TheTailor> gopp, you can actually live without an iPod :-)
[18:44] <RustyFord> gopp why not just hack the ipod
[18:44] <tweek> TheTailor: LIES
[18:44] <RustyFord> duh
[18:44] <DarthBurg> Fischbek and very fucking expensive for a substandard product, why anyone
[18:44] <KoBushi> gopp : this is what I got today (there are 2 heads, but only 1 would fit on
[18:44] <RustyFord> people are so limited in their thinking
[18:44] <RustyFord> why not just hack the ipod
[18:45] <RustyFord> heh
[18:45] <Fischbek> DarthBurg it's easy for someone higher up in the system to get cake pos
[18:45] <RustyFord> hell if rumbleca can hack a compiler
[18:45] <DarthBurg> LSMan hey man thanks for actually answering questions, its rare.
[18:45] <gopp> wow for speed
[18:45] <TheTailor> Put linux on it and you can play video on the nano :-)
[18:45] <RustyFord> you can surely hack a ipod
[18:45] <gopp> TheTailor yea
[18:45] <RustyFord> hahahhahahahahha
[18:45] <panini> KoBushi, rebuilding your engine?
[18:45] <gopp> TheTailor I had rockxbox
[18:45] <DarthBurg> Donkeys hate to admit they want higher taxes, shitty healthcare, and a di
[18:45] <gopp> TheTailor do you know about rockbox
[18:45] <RustyFord> think about it
[18:45] <TheTailor> no
[18:45] <RustyFord> its IPOD
[18:45] <panini> oh, just adding turbos
[18:45] <gopp> TheTailor if you have a nano the rockbox firmware
[18:45] <RustyFord> gopp
[18:45] <gopp> is better then apple
[18:46] <gopp> RustyFord but it my my ipod
[18:46] <LSMan> darthburg, well, not quite my words, but yeah, actual debate is always good ;
[18:46] <RustyFord> hook up a wireless capture
[18:46] <gopp> and some fagot took it
[18:46] <gopp> from my car
[18:46] <RustyFord> its a capture
[18:46] <DarthBurg> LSMan yes it is,
[18:46] <RustyFord> 64 bit process
[18:46] <panini> could be a maserati biturbo
[18:46] <TheTailor> gopp, I'll look at it
[18:46] <gopp> TheTailor Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It r
[18:46] <DarthBurg> LSMan diversity of THOUGHT, amazing huh?
[18:46] <RustyFord> it will tell you the passwords of every ipod
[18:46] <gopp> TheTailor the best feature is two,
[18:46] <gopp> of them
[18:46] <RustyFord> around you within a certain radius
[18:46] <gopp> gapless playblack
[18:46] <gopp> and and games
[18:46] <RustyFord> i bet your ipod is very close
[18:46] <RustyFord> gopp
[18:46] <TheTailor> I want video
[18:46] <gopp> it has chess
[18:46] <gopp> TheTailor I think it can do video
[18:46] <DarthBurg> LSMan I have found that most of our problems come with a diversity of fac
[18:46] <gopp> but early stages
[18:46] <RustyFord> do you have a password on your ipod?
[18:47] <gopp> TheTailor also it support many formats unlike apple
[18:47] <gopp> TheTailor and you don't need to use itunes
[18:47] <gopp> or winamp
[18:47] <DarthBurg> LSMan for instance, i am sure if you sat down and actually looked at the
[18:47] <RustyFord> if you have a password on your ipod its someone you know
[18:47] <gopp> just drag the music to the ipod hd
[18:47] <RustyFord> that stole your shit
[18:47] <RustyFord> so stop
[18:47] <gopp> RustyFord I have open source firmware
[18:47] <gopp> on my ipod
[18:47] <gopp> so I can tell
[18:47] <RustyFord> so
[18:47] <RustyFord> then bust their asses
[18:47] <gopp> I bet the person who goign to took my ipod is confused why he can't play music
[18:47] <RustyFord> let it roam man
[18:48] <gopp> RustyFord ohk, but how will I get it back
[18:48] <RustyFord> gopp imagine it like a note in a bottle
[18:48] <Pickle> Government healthcare is similar to HMO healthcare. If you like HMOs, you'l
[18:48] <gopp> the coolest feature TheTailor is for blind people
[18:48] <gopp> it can speak every menu
[18:48] <RustyFord> gopp you have certain programs in your ipod?
[18:48] <gopp> RustyFord
[18:48] <gopp> yea
[18:48] <gopp> rockbox
[18:48] <tweek> gopp: TTS?
[18:48] <Pickle> With government healthcare, some beancounter, rather than a doctor, decides
[18:48] <gopp> it open source client
[18:48] <RustyFord> it comes with a NUMBER
[18:48] <Pickle> That's just how it is.
[18:49] <gopp> tweek it can speak for blind people
[18:49] <Fischbek> Pickle NO not even. With an HMO u have a choice to join and pay or not
[18:49] <DarthBurg> Pickle ayup, and the funny thing is, healthcare costs double every ten ye
[18:49] <tweek> because that shit's pretty standard atm
[18:49] * RustyFord nods at Pickle
[18:49] <gopp> tweek nope
[18:49] <gopp> not on apple offical firmware
[18:49] <Fischbek> DarthBurg inflation alone would account for doubling
[18:49] <gopp> apple offical firmware is good, but
[18:49] <RustyFord> its got a singular number
[18:49] <tweek> ... well, yeah, not on an iPod
[18:49] <RustyFord> its got a KEY pass
[18:49] <gopp> it don't support gapless playblack
[18:49] <DarthBurg> Fischbek um, thats accounting for inflation, bub
[18:49] <RustyFord> grr
[18:49] <tweek> Vista's TTS is almost fluent
[18:49] <gopp> or
[18:49] <gopp> tweek mac os 7.6
[18:49] <Fischbek> ok
[18:49] <gopp> had it also
[18:49] <tweek> their voice recognition isn't ... well ... too bad
[18:49] <DarthBurg> hehe
[18:50] <tweek> not by any means feasible
[18:50] <RustyFord> gopp someone yuou know has your ipod
[18:50] <DarthBurg> never post non adjusted numbers to this channel hehehehe
[18:50] <gopp> tweek I been using voice recogintion since
[18:50] <gopp> RustyFord nope
[18:50] <tweek> but still a lot better than it was
[18:50] <gopp> stranger
[18:50] <gopp> they stold from my car
[18:50] <Pickle> Canadian healthcare is even better. Not only does the government run the HM
[18:50] <gopp> tweek oh
[18:50] <RustyFord> hahah gopp the stranger won't be using it long
[18:50] <gopp> tweek I recall make phone calls
[18:50] <DarthBurg> Pickle prolly why the drugs are so cheap, huh
[18:50] <gopp> RustyFord he won't know unless he understand how to use open source stuff
[18:50] * RustyFord hands gopp the bottle of jack
[18:50] <gopp> http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060907.pdf
[18:50] <gopp> RustyFord but still
[18:50] <RustyFord> take a sip and learn not to loose shit
[18:50] <gopp> my sister going to bitch at me
[18:51] <gopp> oh
[18:51] <gopp> I have bad short term memory
[18:51] <Pickle> Now, imagine your HMO and hospital were owned by the same company.
[18:51] <gopp> you lost your ipod
[18:51] <KoBushi> panini rebuilding the engine with alum heads and turbos, etc
[18:51] <gopp> I am thinking of saving up money and buying a new ipod mini
[18:51] <RustyFord> fukc ipod
[18:51] <DarthBurg> Pickle NO, that bad?
[18:51] <KoBushi> (sorry didn't see your inuiry untill now)
[18:51] <gopp> and just replacing with my sister knowing nothing
[18:51] <RustyFord> gopp they count on your to lose your ipod
[18:51] <Fischbek> gopp were u supposed to help her, but u spent the afternoon on irc?
[18:51] <gopp> RustyFord ipod are greta
[18:51] <Pickle> And there was no way to purchase healthcare outside of taking what the HMO a
[18:51] <RustyFord> thats why they build the shit so small
[18:52] <gopp> Fischbek no, she going to be angry at my stolen ipod
[18:52] <RustyFord> gopp
[18:52] <Pickle> That's government healthcare, in a nutshell.
[18:52] <RustyFord> you don't get it
[18:52] <gopp> RustyFord oh markting
[18:52] <gopp> I see
[18:52] <DarthBurg> Pickle and the canada GOV will actively pursue and shut down any free mar
[18:52] <RustyFord> its like a pair of sunglasses
[18:52] <KoBushi> Health insurance is such a STUPID concept anyway.... guaranteed health loan
[18:52] <gopp> I used just in my car
[18:52] <gopp> RustyFord oh, hmm
[18:52] <RustyFord> they want you to lose the shit
[18:52] <gopp> I should just get a hard drive player for my car
[18:52] <sintient> hey
[18:52] <KoBushi> health care is needed with too much frequency for insurance to work
[18:52] <RustyFord> the more you lose the shit the more money you spend
[18:52] <RustyFord> get it?
[18:52] <gopp> RustyFord but if I go to china town
[18:52] <sintient> Computer for the car seems like a great deal, but I would want internet.
[18:53] <Fischbek> gopp I see
[18:53] <gopp> sintient thier a company that offers internet for the car
[18:53] <gopp> :)
[18:53] <gopp> a wifi router
[18:53] <DarthBurg> KoBushi thats why its really easy to go back and look, and find it is non
[18:53] <RustyFord> gopp i can get you won that will have a cleared memory but it wont have a
[18:53] <gopp> builit in for the car
[18:53] <sintient> Oh yeah, certain cities have wifi.
[18:53] <gopp> sintient no
[18:53] <gopp> it uses evdo
[18:53] <sintient> Some cell phones let you dial in to an ISP too.
[18:53] <gopp> as source for intenret
[18:53] <Fischbek> KoBushi private insurance is a fine idea.
[18:53] <RustyFord> heh
[18:53] <KoBushi> DarthBurg I don't care much for Ted anyway
[18:53] <sintient> Yeah my phone has that.
[18:53] <gopp> it evdo, and a wifi router
[18:53] <RustyFord> there goes the peanut gallery
[18:53] <Marinell> just an FYI kind of thing - I was with praxis' family today, and his funer
[18:53] <KoBushi> Fischbek not really, it's need is too great for the concept of "insurance"
[18:53] <gopp> RustyFord how do you get one
[18:54] <sintient> I could just attach my laptop the phone and get that for 40 a month.
[18:54] <RustyFord> sintient knows everything
[18:54] <KoBushi> Fischbek for standard care... the concept doesn't work
[18:54] <RustyFord> ask sintient
[18:54] <RustyFord> he knows
[18:54] <RustyFord> heh
[18:54] <gopp> Marinell th anks
[18:54] <Pickle> Marinell: Thanks, I'll pass that along to CometBaby.
[18:54] <sintient> Thanks for the vote of confidence.
[18:54] <Pickle> And FreeTrade.
[18:54] <gopp> sintient how can you get me a ipod mini
[18:54] <Fischbek> KoBushi do HMO for standard routine care, then the person can add on cata
[18:54] <sintient> Costco has them.
[18:54] <DarthBurg> sintient, i have some experience with dial up cellular, it does work. no
[18:54] <KoBushi> Fischbek insurance works by distributing the cost plus profit acrost the en
[18:54] <sintient> Yeah my phone connects my laptop to data at 14.4
[18:55] <sintient> It just uses minutes wich is nice.
[18:55] <Exdeath> WARD
[18:55] <RustyFord> gopp did you know that ipods come with 128 bit network support?
[18:55] <Fischbek> KoBushi then they can have different goals. change the premise
[18:55] <Exdeath> oops wrong channel :P
[18:55] <sintient> So free nights and weekends :)
[18:55] <Fischbek> KoBushi it can be cost plus admin.
[18:55] <RustyFord> automatically
[18:55] <RustyFord> hacking an ipod is impossible
[18:55] <sintient> But for the highspeed it costs 50 more bucks.
[18:55] <KoBushi> Fischbek then there is no reason for the companies to provide the insurance
[18:55] <gopp> RustyFord nope
[18:55] <gopp> it does
[18:55] <DarthBurg> sintient this is unlimited, and connects at what ever you set your port r
[18:55] <RustyFord> its like asking god to give you a new life
[18:55] <KoBushi> no proffit = no incentive
[18:56] <gopp> my ipod mini didn't
[18:56] <sintient> Oh yeah unlimited nice.
[18:56] <DarthBurg> :D
[18:56] <gopp> http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060907.pdf
[18:56] <Fischbek> KoBushi then someone else can do it.
[18:56] <RustyFord> its impossible
[18:56] <DarthBurg> brb reboot
[18:56] <gopp> TheTailor http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodnano-20060907.pdf
[18:56] <sintient> I got a muvo from creative 1 gig with radio and it is as small as a shuffl
[18:56] <KoBushi> Fischbek it still won't work, because the per-user cost of health care is t
[18:56] <gopp> sintient my friend has the san one gig one with fm radio
[18:56] <RustyFord> despite what rumbleca says who says that "he/she" can hack in to a compil
[18:56] <gopp> it sucks
[18:56] <gopp> 300 song only
[18:56] <sintient> This is is cool because you don't need any wires to attach it to the comp.
[18:56] <RustyFord> ipods are 128 bit encrypt
[18:56] <Fischbek> KoBushi we need other types of health care.
[18:56] <sintient> It comes apart and the usb connecetor is built in.
[18:56] <KoBushi> Fischbek it works with cars because auto accidents are rare as an indavidua
[18:57] <Marinell> I just wanted folks on the channel to know that I had seen praxis today, h
[18:57] <RustyFord> the majority of their programs are 64 bit
[18:57] <gopp> RustyFord my ipod had chess
[18:57] <gopp> what other ipod in the world has chess
[18:57] <chrisf> KoBushi, also there is a small segment of the population that need healthcar
[18:57] <Fischbek> KoBushi we'll work something out. things change
[18:57] <RustyFord> the idea that you can "hack an ipod"
[18:57] <KoBushi> doesn't work for HEALTH rather*
[18:57] <RustyFord> is idiotic
[18:57] <chrisf> that makes insurance unworkeable
[18:57] <tweek> gopp: very likely the person who wrote that.
[18:57] <KoBushi> chrisf absolutely
[18:57] <tweek> along with everyone else that uses it.
[18:57] <Fischbek> chrisf nay, I think we're all just going thru a lot of changes right now
[18:57] <RustyFord> the only way someone could hack your ipod is if someone actually HAS your
[18:57] <RustyFord> otherwise its useless
[18:58] <Pickle> Marinell: Please pass our best wishes on to the family.
[18:58] <Fischbek> KoBushi when NOBODY can afford it, market will open up for other forms
[18:58] <TheTailor> gopp, thanks, I'll read it later
[18:58] <gopp> and RustyFord it has pong
[18:58] <RustyFord> hahaha
[18:58] <RustyFord> until the batteries go dead
[18:58] <RustyFord> =)
[18:58] <KoBushi> Fischbek except that law prohibits it
[18:58] <gopp> pong on the mini was great
[18:58] <gopp> and brickout
[18:58] <RustyFord> hahahhahaha gop
[18:58] <gopp> my fav hard game
[18:58] <Fischbek> KoBushi I learned how to treat a lot of common ailments myself, just 'cau
[18:58] <gopp> brickout
[18:58] <KoBushi> or at least, doesnt leave other options open
[18:58] <RustyFord> hahahahhahahah
[18:58] <Marinell> Pickle - I will do that, yes
[18:58] <RustyFord> gopp you need a password to obtain access?
[18:58] <gopp> do you what it was to play pong in the train
[18:58] <Fischbek> KoBushi it's legal to treat yourself.
[18:58] <RustyFord> or did you let them stay open?
[18:59] <KoBushi> Fischbek sure, but you can't treat yourself for pregnancy or a broken spine
[18:59] <Fischbek> KoBushi and if they arrest u...they are required to pay your medical!
[18:59] <RustyFord> gopp you let them stay open didn't you
[18:59] * RustyFord sighs
[18:59] <Fischbek> KoBushi MOST health issues are not that serious
[18:59] <RustyFord> hehehehehe
[18:59] <Fischbek> KoBushi 80% of hospital visits could be handled by a nurse
[19:00] <KoBushi> well I dunno about any such %s
[19:00] <KoBushi> but I have seen many people going to the doctor needlessly and billing it t
[19:00] <Fischbek> KoBushi yes, me too.
[19:01] <KoBushi> I don't think people should even consider going to the doctor until they've
[19:01] <Katey> ack. I can't imagine anyone wanting to go to the doctor unless it was necessa
[19:01] <Fischbek> KoBushi that's like 80% at least of MD visits
[19:01] <Katey> We only go when we're sick or need a checkup
[19:01] <KoBushi> Katey I've seen people in the ER with a SPLINTER
[19:01] <KoBushi> and ear aches
[19:01] <Swigert> Hello - God Bless America
[19:01] <KoBushi> etc
[19:01] <KoBushi> and that's just the few times I've been there :/
[19:01] <Fischbek> KoBushi splinters, sprained ankle, skinned knees,
[19:01] <Katey> Some people use the ER as their primary care doctor
[19:01] <Fischbek> flu, colds
[19:02] <chrisf> KoBushi, i dont go to the ER unles i am like completely incapacitated
[19:02] <chrisf> and in so much pain
[19:02] <KoBushi> Katey yeah and go for stuff that they shouldn't even see a normal doctor ab
[19:02] <KoBushi> :/
[19:02] <chrisf> that i cant ignore it
[19:02] <KoBushi> But .. when you have insurance, and you don't know shit about your body...
[19:02] <Katey> I went to the ER once for ear pain....but it was really BAD pain. :)
[19:02] <poorboy> its beneficial to visit a doctor once in while---preventive medicine
[19:03] <Katey> And I had gone to a regular doctor already
[19:03] <KoBushi> poorboy sure, go to a doc once a year, go to a dentist maybe twice, that's
[19:03] <Katey> Those Patient First type places are good for after hours/weekend minor proble
[19:04] <KoBushi> hell, hospitals charge $500 for xrays.... I got 7 xrays of my foot at my ch
[19:04] <gopp> Katey what if your just have a cold
[19:04] <gopp> should a cold be a trip to er
[19:04] <gopp> KoBushi me to
[19:04] <Kaliuna> no
[19:04] <KoBushi> gopp a cold shouldn't even be a trip to a normal doctor unless it lasts for
[19:04] <Kaliuna> it shouldnt
[19:04] <Katey> KoBushi, that's amazing. I've not even seen vets that would charge that litt
[19:04] <chrisf> gopp: not typically unless the contents of the sputum you cough up is abnorm
[19:04] <chrisf> or profuse
[19:04] <Am15rozi> Everyone; the latest Al Qaeda tape is a FAKE! Join #new_world_order and #
[19:04] <Am15rozi> Everyone; the latest Al Qaeda tape is a FAKE! Join #new_world_order and #
[19:04] <chrisf> then you should go to the er
[19:05] <Am15rozi> Everyone; the latest Al Qaeda tape is a FAKE! Join #new_world_order and #
[19:05] <US^Male> yes learn from #NWO =)
[19:05] <poorboy> When I visit a doctor it's becaue I need to seehim/her. Not to visit.
[19:05] <Kaliuna> good grief -- we get these crazy trollbots --
[19:06] <Swigert> us-male: but it was faked - by Halliburton, the CIA and the Martians at Are
[19:06] <KoBushi> Katey yeah he's an awesome guy, he's been in practice for 20 years here so
[19:06] <US^Male> damn Martians
[19:06] <Katey> Don't forget the Rothschilds, the Illuminati and the Bilderbergers
[19:06] <chrisf> KoBushi, the last time i went to the ER, my knee was messed up and lost abou
[19:06] <chrisf> the knee was swollen like a grape fruit
[19:07] <Swigert> The government had several investigations into Pearl Harbor - turns out it
[19:07] <US^Male> it's almost as if we can't trust ANY space aliens
[19:07] <US^Male> heyyy wait a minute
[19:07] <Marinell> I just can't help commenting. There are so many nicks here that are so fam
[19:07] <KoBushi> chrisf I haven't been to the ER in about 6 years... and I went then because
[19:08] <Kaliuna> Marinell -- we did a memorial for prax (greg) earlier this week -- leave an
[19:08] <Swigert> I had to go in Nov 2003 - sprained my ankle very badly, needed an airboot
[19:08] <poorboy> chrisf, sure it wasn't swollen like an indian mango?
[19:08] <chrisf> kobushi: i had the knee act up in this way 2 other times, that time.. it got
[19:08] <chrisf> i coiuldnt walk
[19:08] <tweek> in memory? he died?
[19:08] <tweek> ... damn man that sucks. sorry to hear that
[19:09] <chrisf> kobushi: i was told by my regular doctor to go to the ER
[19:09] <Marinell> It is sad, praxis would have been 43 on Sept. 20. He was a very young man
[19:10] <Swigert> darn just 43
[19:11] <Swigert> you can bet that if that ABC movie was critical of Bush, there is no way AB
[19:11] <Weebzer> there --> http://www.ThinkProgress.org/TellABC . . . tell ABC to can
[19:12] <US^Male> hell no if Clinton hates then it must be good
[19:12] <Weebzer> "It was Clinton's fault! Mommy, mommy, Clinton did it!"
[19:12] <GregE> clinton is just scared he's going to be figured out
[19:13] <US^Male> "The film was written by an avowed conservative "
[19:13] <US^Male> haha
[19:13] <GregE> clinton is probably all horrified thinking the american people will catch on
[19:13] <US^Male> ROFL
[19:13] <Weebzer> lol . . . rightwing L E W Z E R S . . .
[19:13] <US^Male> "an avowed conservative !!! "
[19:13] <GregE> mad albright and all her failed policies ...
[19:13] <US^Male> OH NOEZ !
[19:13] <Kaliuna> US -- what we got a troll in here for the DEMS...
[19:13] <tweek> LEWZERS?
[19:13] <GregE> give north korea whatever they want and they still went for nukes - mad albri
[19:13] <US^Male> Kaliuna yeah I see =)
[19:13] <Marinell> take care all - thanks!
[19:13] <Kaliuna> you too Marinell
[19:13] <US^Male> let's beat on his dumb ass for a while =)
[19:13] <GregE> hey lets bomb christians fighting muslim heroin dealers in yugoslavia - mad a
[19:14] <tweek> Goddamn this guy's almost more of a douchebag than Twobar
[19:14] <Swigert> I've got Animal House on the DVD
[19:14] <Kaliuna> US -- ohhh go for it... sounds like an easy thing to do
[19:14] <fordnut> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/07/wiraq07.xml
[19:14] <fordnut> hahaha
[19:14] <GregE> maybe al qaeda will like us if we help some muslim terrorists in yugoslavia -
[19:14] <Swigert> GregE: where are you in Queens?
[19:14] <fordnut> what did they expect
[19:14] <GregE> Swigert, why?
[19:14] <US^Male> Kaliuna: we'll have him crying within 10 minutes =)
[19:14] <Swigert> GregE: curious - I lived near 164th and LIE
[19:14] <GregE> astoria
[19:14] <Swigert> cool
[19:15] <Swigert> I miss Queens - was back for a few days in June
[19:15] <Kaliuna> US -- nah he'll run away sooner than that
[19:15] <US^Male> go to this link and tell ABC "Great job!!"
[19:16] <Kaliuna> run the whois... funnny
[19:16] <Kaliuna> thought I recognized the isp.. :)
[19:16] <US^Male> just edit out the horseshit text they pret-ype for you and say what you *re
[19:16] <US^Male> http://thinkprogress.org/TellABC
[19:16] <US^Male> *pre-type
[19:16] <tweek> anyone going to read it?
[19:17] <GregE> Over 50,000 ThinkProgress readers have written ABC in the last 48 hours about
[19:17] <fordnut> lawl
[19:17] <tweek> ok, and be honest
[19:17] <fordnut> this is hilarious
[19:17] <tweek> who here has not boycotted Disney yet
[19:17] <Kaliuna> heheehe and over 100,000 have emailed ABC -- telling them to TELL IT ALL --
[19:17] <fordnut> to see them so up in arms
[19:17] <Kaliuna> hehehehe
[19:17] <fordnut> over a fucking abc documentary
[19:17] <tweek> name one person you know that hasn't
[19:17] <Weebzer> all the Xto-fascists about 6 months ago were all "It's anti-amehhrrreekan t
[19:17] <GregE> the dailykos.com assclown is going ape over the abc movie
[19:18] <Kaliuna> its a docu=drama not docu-mentary
[19:18] <Swigert> i always knew the CIA ran secret prisons - and I approve of it.
[19:18] <tortus> suddenly they don't like history dramatized
[19:18] <tortus> virginia wolff
[19:18] <tweek> man, I should grep through #politics logs and see how many of you guys denied
[19:18] <Weebzer> it's dogpoop-mentary-drama that ABC con job
[19:18] <GregE> waaaah they deprived them of sleep!
[19:18] <weezyl> Nobody remembers the Ronald Reagan thing from CBS that right-wing folk pitch
[19:18] <tweek> not that I disapprove of the practice
[19:18] <Kaliuna> Poor LITTLE Weebzer -- its WAR - you idiot -- rather torture them than see
[19:18] <fordnut> panties on ther heads!
[19:18] <GregE> waaaaah they stuck someone upside down head first into a toilet!!! WAAAAAAH!
[19:18] <fordnut> oh my
[19:19] <US^Male> Make sure to edit the propaganda and say what you *Really* think --->>
[19:19] <Swigert> hey pub
[19:19] <weezyl> USMale -- you bet! I'll go mail ABC *right now*.
[19:19] <US^Male> but for gawd's sake never give your real email address or name to a leftwin
[19:19] <US^Male> you'll be on every spam list known to man
[19:19] <Kaliuna> give them your enemies email....
[19:20] <Kaliuna> ya know all those spamsters -- have email addys
[19:20] <GregE> US^Male hell no ... that dailykos.com idiot and all his other little evil elv
[19:20] <Publius> Swig heya
[19:20] <US^Male> lol made him quite
[19:20] <weezyl> I don't have enemies.
[19:20] <Kaliuna> US -- see what I said -- he ran away
[19:20] <US^Male> lol made him /quit =)
[19:20] <`fonebone> hah... conservative websites are just as bad us male
[19:20] <`fonebone> haha
[19:20] <US^Male> haha
[19:20] <rumbleca> what's worse, dailykos or littlegreenfootballs
[19:20] <Kaliuna> weezyl - every spammer that sends you spam -- you can get their instigating
[19:20] <`fonebone> they all want to sell your email address
[19:20] <Swigert> publius = Georgia Tech fan
[19:20] <rumbleca> or freerepublic
[19:20] <US^Male> you can't trust any website not to spam you
[19:20] <weezyl> There are Georgia Tech fans?
[19:20] <GregE> rumbleca, you're the guy who was crying his eyes out earlier saying arabs are
[19:20] <weezyl> *ducks*
[19:21] <Swigert> I'm an Auburn fan
[19:21] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- whats better?
[19:21] <Publius> Swigert you slanderous yank
[19:21] <GregE> yes folks ... it seems these people from north africa to india are HEAVILY in
[19:21] <rumbleca> grege: you continue to be a racist
[19:21] <weezyl> Longhorns, baby. :)
[19:21] <tortus> lawrence welk show
[19:21] <Swigert> booo - Tigers all the way
[19:21] <Swigert> Razorbacks too
[19:21] <GregE> I'm racist cause I'm stating a fact ... muslims from north africa to india ar
[19:21] <poorboy> I,m a LOBO fan.
[19:21] <rumbleca> kaliuna: yeah, or, which is less extremist
[19:22] <weezyl> Swigert -- hey, I waited years and years for last year's season.
[19:22] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- extremist in what way?
[19:22] <rumbleca> grege: didn't you also use that to try to explain why they are all dirty s
[19:22] <GregE> rumbleca you got nothing man ... all you got it you're racist lol ...
[19:22] <Publius> GregE lol(Nathanus here)
[19:22] <weezyl> I suffered through god knows how many games where we snatched defeat out of
[19:22] <Publius> yer talkin to rumbltroll!
[19:22] <Publius> Swig booooo
[19:23] <US^Male> btw everyone knows the CIA runs prisons overseas, it's not a "secret" to me
[19:23] <GregE> well I also showed you a study of inbred kids in india compared to normal kid
[19:23] <rumbleca> grege: first of all don't call me man, and second of all you never did pro
[19:23] <Kaliuna> US -- they've done so for a long long time
[19:23] <gopp> dam firefox
[19:23] <gopp> won't finishing loading webpages
[19:23] <Swigert> Publius = Gamecock
[19:23] <US^Male> why was that considered "news" ? It was admitted a few years ago
[19:23] <gopp> after this extions session saver
[19:23] <GregE> 10points for those idiots is a lot man ... they need all the IQ points they c
[19:23] <GregE> get Publius !
[19:23] <GregE> hey Publius! ;)
[19:23] <Kaliuna> gopp - run a virus scan
[19:23] <Swigert> I approve of CIA prisons
[19:23] <weezyl> Ciao!
[19:23] <Publius> bring it on!
[19:23] <US^Male> I outright advocate it
[19:24] <Publius> I advocate we put liberals in them
[19:24] <Swigert> right on us-male
[19:24] <GregE> Publius felis is watching the movie deliverance ... he is learning about how
[19:24] <Swigert> pub: you heartless Tar Heel fan
[19:24] <Publius> bah you mean bulldawg fan.
[19:24] <Publius> acc <=== pfttttt
[19:24] <rumbleca> kaliuna: I don't know how else to say it, a lot of those websites have ext
[19:25] <rumbleca> kaliuna: for example people on lgf regularily advocate genocide
[19:25] <Publius> GregE lol call him a fag for me
[19:25] <Kaliuna> rumbleca almost all websites, blogs, forums have extremists
[19:25] <Swigert> pub: silence you crimson tide fan
[19:26] <GregE> lol
[19:26] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- you read them - gives you an idea of what they are saying and w
[19:26] <rumbleca> kaliuna: true. on a personal level though, some websites bother me a lot m
[19:26] <Kaliuna> rumbleca if they bother you - don't read them... best thing to do
[19:27] <GregE> rumbleca or deny facts like you do with me when I post them
[19:27] <Swigert> Publius = Blue Devil
[19:27] <rumbleca> kaliuna: I agree (I typically don't read them anyways)
[19:27] <tweek> '14:02 <+JanetB> Rikkard.. prove there are secret prisons' <--- iron
[19:28] <rumbleca> grege: you might have a point when you prove that you are less inbred
[19:28] <Publius> Swig I cannot defend myself from all this slander
[19:28] <Swigert> pub: okay Im sorry Bulldog
[19:28] <US^Male> http://abc.go.com/movies/thepathto911/index.html
[19:28] * Swigert gives publius a big hug
[19:29] <Swigert> publius actually goes to Faber College
[19:29] <tweek> '09:56 <+`426Hemi> find, those "secret prisons" have never proven to ex
[19:29] <Publius> woof woof!
[19:29] * Publius goes back to watch more football
[19:29] <rumbleca> but even then I doubt it. I also asked you where you got those facts, beca
[19:30] <US^Male> tweek I don't think they were a secret
[19:30] <Swigert> What Publius doesn't know is that I covered his "Dukakis 88" sticker on his
[19:30] <US^Male> I knew a while ago, because it was printed in several newspapers
[19:30] <tweek> ... ugh ... some by praxis9 too in here
[19:31] <rumbleca> the real tragedy is nobody else is speaking up about what you are saying,
[19:31] <tweek> US^Male: yeah you and a few other regular officers repeatedly said stuff like
[19:31] <rumbleca> funny
[19:31] <US^Male> I love overseas prisons
[19:31] <US^Male> play dirty, Isay
[19:31] <Swigert> I have been so gassy today
[19:31] <Pickle> Of course secret prisons existed. But Bush has not admitted that any are be
[19:32] <Pickle> Existed/exist
[19:32] <DStewart> Good to know. Thanks.
[19:32] <Swigert> dstew: been a real problem
[19:32] <DStewart> Who cares where they're being run. It's okay that they exist, wherever the
[19:32] <US^Male> sometimes it's fun to "not admit" things just to get people all amped up =)
[19:32] <DStewart> Swig, TMI
[19:32] <Swigert> dstew: exactly - I approve of them because the people who get sent there ar
[19:32] <tweek> I'm mainly grepping through logs to see who to rub it in on
[19:33] <DStewart> USM, or sometimes it's fun to admit things and point out that it's nothing
[19:33] <Pickle> DStewart: Well, the EU dicks are in a tizzy about this confirming the dispro
[19:33] <US^Male> DStewart: that's my favorite
[19:33] <US^Male> DStewart: although the former could be good for a laugh.
[19:33] <DStewart> Pickle, well, it'd be okay with me if they were.
[19:33] <Swigert> ask the French about how open their torture of Algerian prisoners was
[19:33] <DStewart> Swig, was? More like "is."
[19:33] <Publius> LOL
[19:34] <US^Male> DStewart: be like a leftwinger, just say "prove it"
[19:34] <Pickle> DStewart: Me too, but the Euroleft are having kittens over it.
[19:34] <Publius> I saw an hour program on the thing that happened in 94/95
[19:34] <Swigert> dstew: correct you are
[19:34] <Publius> the 4 guys who hijacked that airplane in algiers
[19:34] <tweek> '14:02 <+JanetB> Rikkard.. prove there are secret prisons' <--- did
[19:34] <Pickle> "Blah blah blah come clean about the secret prisons we tried to find but cou
[19:34] <tweek> 'be like a leftwinger, just say prove it' my ass
[19:34] <Publius> LOL
[19:35] <Publius> know thy enemy!
[19:35] <US^Male> btw, "prove it" is not a denial =)
[19:35] <Swigert> pub: I remember that - the french special forces went after them
[19:35] <US^Male> tweek: prove it !
[19:35] <tweek> US^Male: MAKE ME
[19:35] <Publius> Swig yah, after landing in marsaille
[19:35] * US^Male beats tweek into submission and makes him
[19:35] <Publius> the frogforces did pretty well too
[19:36] <Swigert> pub: i always love it when special forces take down terrorists - Entebbe, 1
[19:36] <Publius> i've herad tons about entebbe, i need new occassions
[19:36] <Pickle> I hope that there were secret prisons in the Ukraine and Romania, as I don't
[19:36] <poorboy> right wingers left wingers, they're all the same, except for color,height,w
[19:36] <Pickle> And with any luck, that'll scuttle their membership hopes.
[19:36] <Publius> touchdown MIAMI
[19:37] <Swigert> pub: Mogadishu, 1978
[19:37] <Publius> Swig oooooooh
[19:37] <`Susan> i used to go to school with mike shula
[19:37] <Publius> what forces?
[19:37] <US^Male> I know for sure that we had no secret prisons after 2005 , because they wer
[19:37] <`Susan> elementary school
[19:37] <`Susan> mike was the son of don shula and don coached the dolphins many a moons
[19:37] <US^Male> well maybe some were "secret" while others were known
[19:38] <Swigert> pub: German GSG-9
[19:38] <US^Male> but, when you know something, it ain't a secret
[19:38] <US^Male> and in general, the practice was not "secret" for the past 1.5 years maybe
[19:38] <Publius> Swig k thanks ill look that up after the game
[19:38] <Publius> hehe
[19:39] <US^Male> rather, when "the public or anyone who can read" knows it, it's not secret
[19:39] <US^Male> better way to say that
[19:39] <Swigert> pub: 1980 British SAS raid on Iranian Embassy, another classic
[19:39] <poorboy> secret prisons, secret contracts, secret meetings, secret,secret,secret....
[19:40] <Publius> l
[19:40] <Publius> k
[19:40] <Publius> *
[19:40] <Swigert> poorboy: all part of the war on terror
[19:40] <Publius> poorboy secret boogey monsters!!!!!!!!!!
[19:40] <`Susan> kinda makes you think what war on terror
[19:40] <Publius> yaaaaallah!
[19:40] <`Susan> sounds pretty nazi to me
[19:40] * Publius away
[19:41] <poorboy> That's what they would want us to believe, crap.
[19:41] <`Susan> i wonder if it's just not a control factor
[19:41] <poorboy> ditto, susan.
[19:42] <inco> `Susan, so theres this group of people in the middle east that want to kill ea
[19:43] <`Susan> i never said i didn't support it
[19:43] <`Susan> i just wish we knew it was 100 percent just that
[19:44] <gopp> Publius guess who I spoke to today
[19:44] <`Susan> i have my doubts
[19:44] <inco> i agree `Susan but the government has to have some secrets
[19:44] <gopp> did cbs rewrite history after republican disliked the movie about reagan
[19:44] <`Susan> they always have inco
[19:44] <gopp> I never heard consertive
[19:45] <gopp> say to censor
[19:45] <inco> and they always will lets just hope they dont go completly overboard oh wait..
[19:45] <poorboy> Problem is we don"t know who we're fighting. I don"t support the war but I
[19:45] <gopp> you dam liberals
[19:45] <gopp> always wanting to tax us
[19:46] <inco> poorboy, were fighting religous fanatics that want to kill us
[19:46] <Kaliuna> Susan -- if you doubt - go read the statement by the latest leader of the a
[19:46] <`Susan> i read alot of what leaders say
[19:46] <gopp> Kaliuna Kaliuna Kaliuna guess who I spoke to today
[19:46] <TheTailor> poorboy, I also wore those boots, we know who we are fighting.
[19:46] <`Susan> bush is not innocent in his speachs
[19:46] <Kaliuna> gopp - who
[19:46] <gopp> govenor corzine
[19:46] <gopp> of NJ
[19:47] <poorboy> we are going to have to fight the whole middle east inco.
[19:47] <gopp> I had a personal chat with him
[19:47] <Swigert> gee who gets sent to these secret CIA prisons? Ummm, suspected terrorists?
[19:47] <inco> its probably going to get to that point eventually
[19:47] <Kaliuna> Susan -- innocent of what?
[19:47] <inco> were gonna have to fight atleast half of them
[19:47] <TheTailor> poorboy, that's false, over 99% of the people of the middle east couldn't
[19:47] <TheTailor> Well maybe 98%
[19:47] <`Susan> Kaliuna he is very out there along with leaders of al queda and the leader o
[19:48] <inco> TheTailor, where do you get that number?
[19:48] <Swigert> tailor: assuming 1.2b Muslims, that means 2.4m
[19:48] <Kaliuna> Susan -- is he? I don't think so... there are things a president CAN say an
[19:48] <TheTailor> poorboy, in any case, the vast majority of Islam is trying to eek out a l
[19:48] <`Susan> yes we are well aware of what he isn't saying
[19:48] <TheTailor> Swigert, yeah
[19:48] <`Susan> and that is why i do not trust him
[19:48] <TheTailor> inco, it's a generalization
[19:49] <Kaliuna> Susan -- think of it this way-- suppose the police came on tv and gave out
[19:49] <Kaliuna> Susan -- how do YOU know what he isn't saying?
[19:49] <`Susan> they already list sex offenders on line for public knowledge
[19:49] <inco> Kaliuna, thats what they are trying to do to child predators before their are
[19:49] <gopp> Kaliuna that is, to say I asked him a question at first " are you going to cut
[19:49] <gopp> corzine: well when we get thier we get thier
[19:49] <gopp> :)
[19:49] <TheTailor> `Susan, Bush doesn't have to tell us everything.
[19:49] <inco> they are*
[19:50] <gopp> corzine has no plan for taxcuts
[19:50] <`Susan> he doesn't have to lie either TheTailor
[19:50] <US^Male> TT, Bush told me.
[19:50] <Kaliuna> inco -- no they don't or not suppose to -- is only convicted ones
[19:50] <gopp> even tough he said he was going to cut taxes
[19:50] <`Susan> just want the truth
[19:50] <Kaliuna> gopp - ahh sounds like interesting meeting you had
[19:50] <US^Male> Bush doesn't tell people he can't trust
[19:50] <gopp> in campagin speech
[19:50] <TheTailor> `Susan, where are you suggesting he lied?
[19:50] <JohnXXIV> if politicians didn't lie, they would disappoint us.
[19:50] <gopp> Kaliuna I raised a lot of eyebrows
[19:50] <Kaliuna> Susan -- how do you KNOW its a lie? or are you just guessing...
[19:50] <gopp> Kaliuna akak the people claping
[19:50] <TheTailor> US^Male, well you are his "special" friend :-)
[19:50] <Kaliuna> gopp - you asked a good question ...
[19:50] <`Susan> i believe he lied about why we are in iraq and the proof i have is of pictur
[19:50] <`Susan> makes me ill
[19:50] <gopp> Kaliuna it was at my college campus
[19:51] <inco> Kaliuna, they do alot of things they are not suppose to be doing
[19:51] <US^Male> Bush and I are into Satanism together
[19:51] <gopp> Kaliuna oh my question was not stupid
[19:51] <US^Male> Skull & Bones demonic sex stuff
[19:51] <gopp> Kaliuna the reason it poped in to my head, was He was doing some speech on eco
[19:51] <TheTailor> `Susan, umm, oil fields are key to Iraq's survival.
[19:51] <poorboy> Only his cronies, US^Male.
[19:51] <gopp> and he had poster boards all over
[19:51] <`Susan> how many years later?
[19:51] <Kaliuna> Susan -- well duh - of course they will help protect the oil fields - you d
[19:51] <US^Male> poorboy didn't you get the memo
[19:51] <`Susan> and they aren't surviving
[19:51] <gopp> with his 7 plans Kaliuna but none of the 7 plans had tax cuts
[19:51] <Kaliuna> Susan - and Iraq is dependent on their OIL
[19:51] <gopp> just more programs
[19:51] <Kaliuna> gopp-- ahh
[19:51] <gopp> like programs for this, program for that
[19:52] <`Susan> and we own the oil fields
[19:52] <gopp> but no tax cut
[19:52] <`Susan> why not open them up to help rebuild iraq?
[19:52] <Kaliuna> Susan -- no we don't
[19:52] <`Susan> oh yes yes we do
[19:52] <gopp> for ecomonic growth, but how is spending growth
[19:52] <TheTailor> `Susan, not only are thye surviving, they are progressing. Unless you do
[19:52] <gopp> it can be
[19:52] <inco> because then we wouldnt have a monopoly
[19:52] <gopp> but who paying for this spending
[19:52] <`Susan> check out who's in charge of those oil fields
[19:52] <inco> besides the un got its share of oil from iraq already its our turn
[19:52] <US^Male> redfish works for Big Oil
[19:52] <`Susan> i bet you can link him to bush in aboutg 3 or less people
[19:52] <`Susan> chevron also
[19:52] <inco> uh pretty much haliburton..
[19:52] <gopp> Kaliuna at least he was nice, and answered my question
[19:53] <US^Male> I bet a good conspiracy nit can "link" anyone in 1 move
[19:53] <`Susan> bingo inco
[19:53] <gopp> in other words as TheTailor put it he said "no tax cut"
[19:53] <TheTailor> `Susan, how are you so misinformed? Iraq's oil fields ARE bringing them
[19:53] <US^Male> SEE
[19:53] <DarthBurg> Democrat senators own stock in oil co's
[19:53] <gopp> why can't he just say the words "no tax cut", I was so nervous Kaliuna
[19:53] <Kaliuna> Susan -- you really are way off base
[19:53] <US^Male> 1 move, Halliburton
[19:53] <gopp> but I hate a cival debate with my govenor
[19:53] <gopp> :)
[19:53] <`Susan> ThePixies they are rebuilding?
[19:53] <gopp> Had
[19:53] <gopp> not hate
[19:53] <`Susan> err TheTailor
[19:53] <Kaliuna> Darth -- heheh we know the Dems do :)
[19:53] <US^Male> like I said, a good conspiracy nit can link him in one move
[19:53] <TheTailor> `Susan, indeed they are.
[19:53] <US^Male> *nut
[19:53] <US^Male> nit=nut
[19:53] <gopp> Kaliuna I bet the liberals professor where claping at njit
[19:53] <TheTailor> `Susan, every day, tey are getting new infrastreucture.
[19:53] <gopp> and then saw me
[19:53] <gopp> they where like wow
[19:54] <`Susan> research those oil fields in iraq and than say that Kaliuna
[19:54] <gopp> some who don't buy his stuff
[19:54] <`Susan> who runs them
[19:54] <poorboy> Haliburton my ass, holy burden sounds more like it.
[19:54] <Kaliuna> Susan -- I have -- you obviously have not
[19:54] <Swigert> darth: do you mean to say that Democrats have flaws>
[19:54] <DarthBurg> Swigert owning stock in an oil co is only a flaw if you are a republican
[19:55] <Swigert> darth: but it should be for Dems
[19:55] <DarthBurg> if it were not for double standards, Donkeys would have no standards at a
[19:55] <US^Male> I own oil stocks. Well, "energy fund" but you know what THAT means
[19:55] <`Susan> haha if you have Kaliuna you would see the link
[19:55] <US^Male> OIL
[19:55] <TheTailor> `Susan, who cares who runs them? It makes no difference, what matters is
[19:55] <Swigert> darth: heh
[19:55] <`Susan> sure it makes no difference
[19:55] <DarthBurg> linkage, guilt by association, logical fallacy, yawn
[19:56] <TheTailor> `Susan, if a French or German company ran them would it matter?
[19:56] <Kaliuna> Susan -- I own stock in oil -- big deal -- but the Iraqi's own their wells
[19:56] <`Susan> it makes no difference iraq really isn't in charge of it's oil
[19:56] <US^Male> anything you have to "link" is unproven bullshit
[19:56] <TheTailor> `Susan, it BP runs oil production in Alaska, does it matter?
[19:56] <US^Male> if you can prove it, you don't "link" it hypothetically
[19:56] <Swigert> darth: if the GOP criticized ABC's 9/11 movie, would they pull it?
[19:56] <TheTailor> `Susan, why no, Iraq is in COMPLETE control of the oil.
[19:57] <TheTailor> `Susan, they sell it, and pay who they hire to get it out.
[19:57] <Kaliuna> Susan -- yes they are in charge -- haven't you read ... anything but some s
[19:57] <rumbleca> thetailor: I am skeptical about that. do they sell it at a fair value?
[19:57] <TheTailor> `Susan, I'm frankly shocked you are so uninformed.
[19:57] <US^Male> Kaliuna, "Halliburton" is an incantation ... there's nothing "there" after
[19:57] <`Susan> http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/Petroleum/control.htm
[19:57] <TheTailor> rumbleca, whatever they sell it for, that's what it is.
[19:57] <`Susan> yeah so uniformed
[19:57] <US^Male> "Oh yeah?? Well, Halliburton!'
[19:57] <Kaliuna> US -- ya I know...
[19:58] <US^Male> the spell doesn't work though
[19:58] <US^Male> "Oh yeah ?? Well ask Dick Cheney and Halliburton!"
[19:58] <rumbleca> US^Male: go halliburton yourself. halliburton isn't defrauding iraqi's, it
[19:58] <DarthBurg> The New York Times
[19:58] <TheTailor> `Susan, maytbe you should get a credible source, like the Iraqi's
[19:58] <`Susan> But the occupation government has the power to veto Iraqi oil plans, and dec
[19:58] <DarthBurg> no thanks, not a credible news source.
[19:58] <`Susan> so so uninformed
[19:58] <US^Male> doesn't even work when I toss in Dick Cheney
[19:58] <DarthBurg> in fact, if you take your average New York Times story, spin it 180, you
[19:58] <US^Male> rumbleca: oh sure, I bet you work for Halliburton !
[19:59] <Kaliuna> Susan -- advisor -- you have any idea what the difference is between an adv
[19:59] <TheTailor> `Susan, yes, so so uninformed
[19:59] <US^Male> is that supposed to be "bad" ?
[19:59] <TheTailor> `Susan, did that cite say Carrol was getting the oil or something? Or do
[19:59] <Kaliuna> Darth -- ohyou got that right
[19:59] <rumbleca> us^male: no but if I were american I would be curious what my money is bei
[20:00] <US^Male> rumbleca: what money is "your money"?
[20:00] <`Susan> you do know international law states that the united states has rights to th
[20:00] <TheTailor> rumbleca, it's being spent on water and electrical systems for one, new s
[20:00] <rumbleca> us^male: remember the "if" part, and by my money I would myean my taxes
[20:00] <`Susan> *shock*
[20:00] <TheTailor> `Susan, really, what law?
[20:00] <`Susan> "to fund their occupation"
[20:00] <US^Male> rumbleca: how would your taxes be relevant ?
[20:00] <Kaliuna> ohoh -- what law might this be....
[20:00] <rumbleca> thetailor: I don't doubt that, but there are cases where government contra
[20:01] <US^Male> "overcharging" ... so you have alower bid ?
[20:01] <TheTailor> rumbleca, when those rare occasions happen they get nailed.
[20:01] <US^Male> show me who offers to do it for less
[20:01] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- that is nothing new -- the $25 hammers and the $50 toilet seats
[20:01] <rumbleca> US^Male: what are you getting at aside from playing dumb
[20:01] <TheTailor> rumbleca, that's how you hear about them.
[20:01] <`Susan> it's called the IHL
[20:01] <US^Male> rumbleca: show me who offers to do it for less
[20:01] <`Susan> international humanitarian law
[20:02] <US^Male> rumbleca: what are you getting at besides playing dumb, is the question
[20:02] <rumbleca> kaliuna: I know its not new, but that doesn't make it ok
[20:02] <TheTailor> `Susan, specifically, I would like to read that law
[20:02] <DarthBurg> I am surprised, this new york times article is actually not bad. it even
[20:02] <`Susan> specifically mentioned in the 1907 hague regs and 1949 4th geneva convention
[20:02] <TheTailor> `Susan, not that we are bound to take the money,and it would certainly be
[20:02] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- no doesn't make things ok - but am pointing out -- long ways ba
[20:02] <TheTailor> `Susan, like the Germans and the Japanese.
[20:03] <US^Male> rumbleca: if you utter the word "overcharging" you must show me who offers
[20:03] <`Susan> it's called using a nations natural resources
[20:03] <DarthBurg> and its allowed.
[20:03] <inco> us ()()====> iraq
[20:03] <rumbleca> thetailor: I hope so
[20:03] <TheTailor> `Susan, what's the law you speak of, or don't you know, one or the other.
[20:03] <Swigert> narf, poit
[20:03] <`Susan> i've listed it
[20:03] <`Susan> if you can't read..
[20:03] <`Susan> you can also check this out
[20:03] <TheTailor> listed what? Cite the law pecifically, not just pastes of what someone m
[20:03] <rumbleca> US^Male: there have already been convictions so you don't kow what you are
[20:03] <`Susan> United Nations Security Council Resolution 1483
[20:04] <TheTailor> ok
[20:04] <DarthBurg> and what doew 1483 say?
[20:04] <DarthBurg> does
[20:04] <DarthBurg> hmmm?
[20:04] <`Susan> can you people not google?
[20:04] <US^Male> rumbleca: well now you need to prove that too
[20:04] <Swigert> darth: that the UN Security Council resolves to buy pizza
[20:04] <US^Male> prove this crap --->> [20:08] <rumbleca> US^Male: there have
[20:04] <US^Male> "convictions" my ass
[20:04] <DarthBurg> i see, susan just cherry picks her intelligence.
[20:04] <`Susan> or does one need to do everything for you
[20:05] <rumbleca> US^Male: clever. thetailor could give you examples, so could I
[20:05] <DarthBurg> answering questions does seem to be beyond some people's grasp.
[20:05] <US^Male> rumbleca: show me a "conviction" chucklehead
[20:05] <rumbleca> US^Male: look up custer battles llc
[20:05] <US^Male> rumbleca: show me a "conviction" chucklehead
[20:05] <`Susan> yes and googling your own information seems to throw people off
[20:05] <Swigert> darth: 1.4 is getting a bad rap
[20:05] <rumbleca> US^Male: look up cluster battles, then you can apologize
[20:05] <US^Male> rumbleca: show me a "conviction" chucklehead.
[20:05] <DarthBurg> well, Google does bring up every left wing news site first.
[20:06] <DarthBurg> is 1.4 out?
[20:06] <tweek> repeating yourself = automatic win in any debate
[20:06] <US^Male> rumbleca: if you cannot say it here, you made it up.
[20:06] <tweek> do it in capslock and you win TWICE
[20:06] <TheTailor> `Susan, ummm....Security Council resolution 1483 (2003) The situation bet
[20:06] <Swigert> darth: apparently. are you going to get Battlefield 2142?
[20:06] <rumbleca> US^Male: maybe I didn't use the correct legal term but they were found gui
[20:06] <US^Male> tweek thinks he just won
[20:06] <DarthBurg> Swigert only if it has lethal sniper rifles.
[20:06] <US^Male> rumbleca: "found guilty" by whom ?
[20:06] <TheTailor> `Susan, someone is yanking your chain
[20:06] <Kaliuna> TT uhuh :) has nothing to do with this :)
[20:07] <tweek> can tell it'll suck just from the title
[20:07] <Kaliuna> TT as I said she's been brainwashed by someone -- now figure out who
[20:07] <rumbleca> US^Male: I just gave you the name, look it up. it'll save me the trouble o
[20:07] <Swigert> darth: it looks like same game play but futuristic weapons - even a mobile
[20:07] <US^Male> rumbleca: WHO was found guilty, of what crime, by what court ?
[20:07] <US^Male> rumbleca: no, since you cannot say, you made it up.
[20:07] <tweek> mobile spawn point as in your squad leader?
[20:07] <tweek> like in BF2?
[20:07] <Swigert> tweek: yes
[20:07] <DarthBurg> Swigert oh, never know, people might bitch about it, and EA will disable
[20:07] <US^Male> rumbleca: now, admit you made it up and move on
[20:08] <tweek> ... yeah, now I definitely won't get it
[20:08] <DStewart> WOAH! Pictures of our troops protecting oil fields!
[20:08] <DStewart> GOD DAMN!
[20:08] <DStewart> Man!
[20:08] <Swigert> darth: just as I'm getting good at BF2 :)
[20:08] <DStewart> That proves...
[20:08] <DarthBurg> DStewart imagine!
[20:08] <DStewart> that our troops are protecting oil fields.
[20:08] <DStewart> Why?
[20:08] <TheTailor> DStewart, we are protecting the oil because it's OURS!!!
[20:08] <DStewart> Why would oil fields in Iraq need protection?
[20:08] <Swigert> dstew: because it's the most valuable thing in Iraq?
[20:08] <DarthBurg> DStewart maybe because terrorists like to blow them up?
[20:08] <DStewart> And?
[20:08] <DStewart> Darth, hmmm. Maybe!
[20:08] <DarthBurg> ya think?
[20:08] <Kaliuna> ya -- terrorists wanna blow them up
[20:09] <DStewart> So we have US troops protecting oil fields.
[20:09] <rumbleca> US^Male: I didn't make it up. do you know how to use your typewriter thing
[20:09] <DarthBurg> apparently susan don't.
[20:09] <US^Male> rumbleca: just admit you were lying, chuckles
[20:09] <DStewart> We also have revanchists and foreign mercenaries and terrorists attacking
[20:09] <`Susan> apparently no one can google in this channel
[20:09] <DStewart> Gosh, why would US troops guard them? Or anyone else?
[20:09] <US^Male> rumbleca: can you type that ? "rumbleca is a fuckin liar" ?
[20:09] * CryHavoc googles `Susan
[20:10] <rumbleca> US^Male: I can type that, but I don't lie
[20:10] <CryHavoc> :)
[20:10] <DStewart> Susan, everyone can google. But YOU can't think.
[20:10] <Kaliuna> Susan -- TT already proved your UN council bit as wrong
[20:10] * `Susan moans heh
[20:10] <DarthBurg> apparently Google is the final say
[20:10] <US^Male> rumbleca: WHO was found guilty, of what crime, by what court ?
[20:10] <TheTailor> `Susan, I can
[20:10] <CryHavoc> hrmmm
[20:10] <US^Male> rumbleca: say it
[20:10] <TheTailor> `Susan, ummm....Security Council resolution 1483 (2003) The situation bet
[20:10] <CryHavoc> googlegooglegoogle
[20:10] <rumbleca> US^Male: custer battles was guilty of defrauding, a us court
[20:10] <CryHavoc> :B
[20:10] <US^Male> rumbleca: you've stalled and Googled for ten minutes and you haven't found
[20:10] <US^Male> rumbleca: defrauding whom ?
[20:11] <CryHavoc> heh IamKings nemesis has arrived
[20:11] <rumbleca> US^Male: that's a technicality
[20:11] <US^Male> rumbleca: lol
[20:11] <US^Male> rumbleca: I see, you made it up.
[20:12] <rumbleca> US^Male: you have just continued to prove you are an idiot. would me givin
[20:12] <DStewart> It'd help me.
[20:12] <DarthBurg> susan will simply ignore anything that conflicts with her alternate dimen
[20:12] <DarthBurg> there is a term for that, we like to call, Donkistan
[20:12] <US^Male> rumbleca: you've continued to make shit up and are unable to show evidence
[20:12] <DarthBurg> in Donkistan, Bush is the Devil, Saddam is innocent, and the terrorists a
[20:13] <redfish> a thousand points of light
[20:13] <rumbleca> dstewart: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Custer_Battles
[20:13] <JohnXXIV> derkaderkastan
[20:13] <Swigert> http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?OpenAgent&DS=S/RES/1483%20(2003)&L
[20:13] <DarthBurg> dirka dirka
[20:13] <US^Male> rumbleca: you claimed Halliburton, genius
[20:13] <`Susan> do you honestly think i think saddam is innocent?
[20:13] <rumbleca> dstewart: the ruling was overturned but in my view on a technicality. they
[20:13] <Swigert> all UN resolutions are available online
[20:13] <`Susan> without even asking me
[20:13] <rumbleca> US^Male: I said custer battles from the beginning
[20:13] <US^Male> rumbleca: horseshit
[20:14] <DarthBurg> Notice she did not deny Bush is the Devil.
[20:14] <`Susan> TheTailor i'm movin to your pm's
[20:14] <CryHavoc> Demostan
[20:14] <syoung333> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/southern.women.ap/index.html --- "
[20:14] <Swigert> cry: Vermont? :)
[20:14] <DarthBurg> always defending Saddam, in Donkistan
[20:14] <US^Male> [20:02] <rumbleca> US^Male: go halliburton yourself. halliburton isn'
[20:14] <US^Male> rumbleca: busted
[20:14] <CryHavoc> Swigert...no...we are gonna relocate the Dems in USA to Canada
[20:14] <CryHavoc> there..they will be conservatives
[20:14] <Swigert> cry: well just to Ontario - not ALberta
[20:14] <US^Male> rumbleca: go halliburton yourself!
[20:15] * Swigert is shocked
[20:15] <CryHavoc> no matter....if you tire of them....well Canada has lots of places to hide
[20:15] <Swigert> cry: like CIA prisons? :)
[20:15] <DarthBurg> in Donkistan, if someone asks you a really tough question, like "Where di
[20:16] <DStewart> syoung, wow. Is Bush running again?
[20:16] <DarthBurg> but remember, Halibruton is evil cuz Dick Cheney once ran it.
[20:16] <`Susan> not googling it and asking question is what i call "lazy"
[20:16] <CryHavoc> G@---@---gle it!
[20:16] <DStewart> I think that's unconstitutional. But then, hey. He didn't win either elect
[20:16] <`Susan> i mean i wonder if you wipe your own ass?
[20:16] <`Susan> or shall i do that for you also
[20:16] <DarthBurg> "Bush vindicated, seeks third term"
[20:17] <syoung333> well, repubs in general are in trouble
[20:17] <DStewart> Bet they aren't.
[20:17] <DStewart> Bet they win.
[20:17] <DarthBurg> Donkeys always think they can do everything better, including and not lim
[20:17] <DStewart> Bet they GAIN seats in both houses.
[20:17] <tweek> DarthBurg: ... of all the fucking lame conspiracies I've heard of...
[20:17] <DStewart> Democrats are in trouble. Same trouble they've been in for ten years.
[20:17] <DarthBurg> tweek hehehe
[20:17] <DarthBurg> tweek, was wondering how long you could hold out
[20:17] <DStewart> And the party itself is becoming more and more morally bankrupt.
[20:18] <tweek> 'in Donkistan blah blah blah wah wah wah Google is lefsit and lefsits direct
[20:18] <`Susan> brb
[20:18] <rumbleca> what a waste of 20 minutes
[20:18] <poorboy> after second term he is now the emperor.
[20:18] <tweek> jesus. is this physically possible?
[20:18] <DStewart> rumble, it always is
[20:18] <poorboy> withou any clothes.
[20:18] <US^Male> tweek is a Donk =)
[20:18] <DarthBurg> well, in the real world, voting machines built by a corporation elected B
[20:18] <DStewart> tweek, you're not swearing enough tonight.
[20:19] <DarthBurg> is Google beyond reproach? nope.
[20:19] <tweek> DStewart: don't feel up for more IRC drama tonight.
[20:19] <DarthBurg> *GASP* He has issues with GOOGLE
[20:19] <tweek> US^Male: you know Goddamned well I'm not
[20:19] <US^Male> pin the tail on the DOnkey
[20:19] * US^Male pins it on tweek
[20:19] <DarthBurg> down in Donkistan
[20:19] <DStewart> fucking goddamn shit, tweek. it's just not the goddamn same if you don't s
[20:19] <DarthBurg> fuck
[20:20] <DarthBurg> n shit
[20:20] <DarthBurg> damn
[20:20] <tweek> diaf Darth
[20:20] <US^Male> lol
[20:20] <CryHavoc> I wonder if there is a nation state in natinostates with the name of Donki
[20:20] <DarthBurg> diaf?
[20:20] <DStewart> Do It After Friday
[20:20] <DarthBurg> Donkistan would be a socialist paradise, not a banana republic
[20:20] <tweek> haha
[20:20] <DStewart> Donkey Idiots Are Fucked
[20:21] <CryHavoc> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donkistan
[20:21] <TheTailor> haha
[20:21] <Swigert> Like a bridge over troubled water
[20:21] <TheTailor> TGFHD!
[20:21] <US^Male> DStewart is an acrophobia player
[20:21] <DarthBurg> yes, TGFHD
[20:21] <DStewart> Yes, TGFHD
[20:21] <CryHavoc> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=elephstan
[20:21] <DStewart> And TGFNP
[20:21] <DStewart> And TGFHR
[20:21] <US^Male> HD rules
[20:21] <DarthBurg> heheh
[20:21] <Swigert> Anyone ever see the movie "What's Up Tiger Lily"?
[20:21] <DarthBurg> HR is da Donk
[20:21] <tweek> too many XTLAs
[20:22] <rumbleca> dumbastan
[20:22] <DarthBurg> super donk senator seahag
[20:22] <CryHavoc> rumblestan
[20:22] <CryHavoc> lol
[20:22] <TheTailor> Dallas city council member wants sagging pants ticketed for lewdness, cal
[20:22] <rumbleca> CryHavoc: that'd be ok, I'd be the postman
[20:22] <DarthBurg> righto
[20:22] <CryHavoc> TT I have a better idea...
[20:22] <TheTailor> hehe, and he's a black guy :-)
[20:22] <US^Male> he's right about the last part
[20:23] <DarthBurg> yes, GOV must tell us how to dress.
[20:23] <CryHavoc> 2 years of Military service
[20:23] <poorboy> GOPstan.
[20:23] <TheTailor> DarthBurg, it will never fly
[20:23] <DarthBurg> in GOPstan, taxes are low, Business is Good, and Donkeys are shot.
[20:23] * US^Male makes DarthBurg pull up his pants
[20:23] <TheTailor> poorboy, you are becoming tiresome with that stupidity.
[20:23] <CryHavoc> lol his addy is amusing
[20:24] <DarthBurg> in Donkistan, only the crooks have guns.
[20:24] <CryHavoc> IP in h @ IP in Dec
[20:24] <CryHavoc> and Liomo liberals
[20:24] <BabyTank> if you shoot all the donkeys, then the elephants starve
[20:24] <DarthBurg> well, the latte liberals have goons with assault rifles.
[20:24] <CryHavoc> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red+factioner
[20:24] <DarthBurg> Elephants eat trees, not donkeys
[20:24] <poorboy> wher I reside, taxes are high, darthburg.
[20:25] <DarthBurg> so?
[20:25] <Swigert> and where is that poorboy?
[20:25] <CryHavoc> poorboy...then move
[20:25] <DarthBurg> they are here as well.
[20:25] <poorboy> so.
[20:25] <tweek> DarthBurg: admit it - this channel woudn't exist without sufficent stuff to w
[20:25] <rumbleca> hahaha "sensible" government
[20:25] <DarthBurg> Taxes and Death dude
[20:25] <SweetLeaf> make more money
[20:25] <tweek> hell, talk radio wouldn't exist
[20:25] <CryHavoc> where from poorboy?
[20:25] <rumbleca> is that like dividing by zero?
[20:25] <BabyTank> elephants are too lazy to get thier own trees, they will surely starve
[20:25] <DarthBurg> tweek at least we do not have to make up the shit donkeys do
[20:25] <Swigert> tweek: we'd find something
[20:25] <CryHavoc> Darth where you live the Fairtax could be passed by an armed Posse LOL
[20:25] <tweek> ... would be kinda cool actually
[20:26] <Pickle> tweek: Perhaps, but thanks to the miracle of democracy, we will never run ou
[20:26] <tweek> DarthBurg: weren't you just a minute ago whining about how Google was suppose
[20:26] <poorboy> good name for you, CryHavoc.
[20:26] <DarthBurg> tweek, i never said that, i just pointed out the owners paid big time to
[20:27] <poorboy> or is it cry wolf?
[20:27] <CryHavoc> what name issat poorboy?
[20:27] <US^Male> tweek is part of the Gay Agenda
[20:27] <CryHavoc> no...I cry Havoc on people like you
[20:27] <tweek> US^Male: it's like you're not even trying anymore dude
[20:27] <US^Male> lol sorry
[20:27] <US^Male> I'm bored
[20:27] <tweek> Pickle: good to hear ... I think.
[20:27] <US^Male> tweek why can't I toss you a softball now and then
[20:27] <CryHavoc> of course I made a mistake in thinking poorboy had some EDU
[20:28] <US^Male> you can hit that one out of the park
[20:28] <poorboy> create havoc, sounds more like it. Just kidding
[20:28] <tweek> don't even know where to start with it
[20:28] <US^Male> hahah
[20:28] * CryHavoc gets out the US^Male book of vitriolic excoriation
[20:28] <tweek> it's more like something you stare at
[20:28] <US^Male> it's beautiful in it's splendor
[20:28] <US^Male> so it DID work then
[20:29] <tweek> wondering, 'where was the mental catch there, that would have normally preven
[20:29] <CryHavoc> poorboy is so poor that when they gave away brains he was off begging
[20:29] <DarthBurg> if you stare long enough, it looks just like a donkey
[20:29] <US^Male> my inner monologue was destroyed in the freezing process
[20:29] <US^Male> I say "hit enter"!
[20:29] <DarthBurg> hehehe
[20:29] <DarthBurg> when in wonder, or in doubt, blame bush
[20:29] <tweek> hehe
[20:29] <poorboy> cried havoc one too many times.
[20:30] <CryHavoc> but US^Males Vagina monologue is still intact
[20:30] <US^Male> pop it out and hit the Enter key !
[20:30] <US^Male> don't be sissies =)
[20:30] <CryHavoc> every day is a good day for crying Havoc.....
[20:30] <CryHavoc> except on those days that those who would impugn your character wouldst th
[20:31] <CryHavoc> rumbleca ...what?
[20:31] <DarthBurg> Squirrels store food, therefore they believe in private savings accounts,
[20:32] <DarthBurg> Kerry2004, bwahahahaha
[20:32] <US^Male> they store it in their fat little cheeks
[20:32] <DarthBurg> i still see that bumbersticker
[20:33] <US^Male> like Katie Couric
[20:33] <redfish> usmale murdered a beetle today
[20:33] <DarthBurg> actually, they store it in Free Government Housing, IE a nest
[20:33] <US^Male> redfish has Katie Couric cheeks
[20:33] <US^Male> and Betty Davis eyes
[20:33] <redfish> usmale has katey couric teeth
[20:33] <US^Male> redfish has no teeth
[20:34] <DarthBurg> who is this Katey person
[20:34] <poorboy> beware of the Bushies. "Hay que buscar la verdad en la vida y la vida en la
[20:34] <US^Male> some news chick who's getting old
[20:34] <US^Male> who has chipmunk cheeks
[20:34] <`Susan> hey katey is a cutie old or not
[20:35] <US^Male> she's cute because of the chipmunk cheeks
[20:35] <redfish> usmale is cute because of his gumption
[20:36] <US^Male> redfish has a cute nick
[20:36] <`Susan> are you both going to bend each over now?
[20:36] <US^Male> I just want to squeeze his chipmunk cheeks
[20:36] <redfish> and his spunk
[20:36] <US^Male> ohh Susan is a fag hag!
[20:36] <redfish> and moxie
[20:36] <h0mi> `Susan
[20:36] <`Susan> hey marcus
[20:37] <CryHavoc> anyone else want to get in on the fun at nationstates.net?
[20:37] <US^Male> redfish Susan wants us to have anal sex in front of her
[20:37] <h0mi> how are you stranger
[20:37] <CryHavoc> lol
[20:37] <`Susan> please do US^Male and i'll take pics
[20:37] <US^Male> SEE
[20:37] <`Susan> sell them on ebay for fun and profit
[20:37] <CryHavoc> Susan is a cutie too
[20:37] <US^Male> Susan: hell no you freak!
[20:37] <`Susan> shhh
[20:37] <TheTailor> Who wants 'em
[20:37] <h0mi> susan was on that newlywed game and was the one who said "in the butt"
[20:37] <TheTailor> pft
[20:37] <CryHavoc> but she slaps if you try bending her
[20:37] <`Susan> hehe
[20:37] <US^Male> sheesh too many fag hags
[20:37] <poorboy> getting nasty. Hasta luego!
[20:38] <redfish> usmale is fixated on a video of andrea bocelli singing
[20:38] <CryHavoc> goodbye pooreduboy
[20:38] <US^Male> who dat
[20:38] <CryHavoc> Bocelli has a good voice
[20:38] <redfish> yo momma
[20:38] <US^Male> let me google her pic
[20:38] <`Susan> andrea
[20:38] <CryHavoc> Italian Tenor ( operatic)
[20:38] <US^Male> it's a GUY
[20:39] <CryHavoc> Black Eyed Susan
[20:39] <redfish> my biggest fear is somebody will sneak into this country and kill americans
[20:39] <redfish> -- george w bush
[20:39] <US^Male> I bet Susan is into guys named Andrea
[20:39] <redfish> eloquent mr bush
[20:39] <CryHavoc> US^Male..its italy too
[20:39] <redfish> noa
[20:39] <h0mi> andrea has a girls name but its pronounced andre
[20:39] <`Susan> actually i would be if they sang like him also
[20:39] <US^Male> and played grabass like him
[20:39] <`Susan> bocelli is one of my fav singers
[20:40] <`Susan> he did a version of silent night that is beautiful
[20:40] <redfish> susan has a girl crush on andrea bocelli
[20:40] <redfish> its cute
[20:40] <`Susan> dude redfish are you really a guy?
[20:40] <US^Male> because she figures he's gay
[20:40] <redfish> yes
[20:40] <CryHavoc> I think I have that one
[20:40] <`Susan> i'm getting chick vibes from you
[20:40] <`Susan> :P
[20:40] <redfish> there is no such thing as vibes
[20:41] <`Susan> whatever you want to think
[20:41] <redfish> exactly
[20:41] <US^Male> Susan digs that homosexual look in a man
[20:42] <CryHavoc> no way to tell on this venue for the most part
[20:42] <`Susan> 2 men don't bother me at all
[20:42] <US^Male> see
[20:42] <CryHavoc> what if they want to sandwich you?
[20:42] <US^Male> MrRod!
[20:42] <US^Male> <`Susan> 2 men don't bother me at all
[20:42] <US^Male> comments
[20:42] <Kaliuna> MR R
[20:42] <rumbleca> there are vibes
[20:42] <rumbleca> they just aren't always accurate
[20:42] <`Susan> i've never had a 3 some
[20:43] <CryHavoc> you never can tell though...
[20:43] <`Susan> i could prolly do it with 2 guys but not with 2 girls
[20:43] <US^Male> how about 3 girls
[20:43] <h0mi> what about 1 girl and 1 guy
[20:43] <`Susan> not 3 either
[20:43] <redfish> how about 1 midget, 2 horses, and a bird
[20:43] <CryHavoc> <US-Male> yes, its true. i am a penguin. i hoped to keep it secret,
[20:43] <US^Male> how about 2 girls and a "sexual aid"
[20:43] <CryHavoc> comments? LOL
[20:43] <`Susan> it would depend if the guy was a bf or just a casual someone
[20:44] <US^Male> CryHavoc, redfish typed that I can tell
[20:44] <redfish> cryhavoc hey that was my quote , i just attributed a fake quote to redfish
[20:44] <redfish> oops
[20:44] <`Susan> cause if he was a bf i would be ok until he touched the other woman
[20:44] <US^Male> see
[20:44] <redfish> to usmale
[20:44] <CryHavoc> its in my quotes file...
[20:44] <`Susan> than i would have to kill her
[20:44] <US^Male> only redfish would even think that
[20:44] <CryHavoc> susan lol
[20:44] <CryHavoc> males dream of menage a trois!!!
[20:44] <rumbleca> 3somes don't interest me, maybe a foursome, a 3some would just be weird
[20:44] <US^Male> <redfish> how about 1 midget, 2 horses, and a bird
[20:44] <US^Male> ?
[20:45] <CryHavoc> US^Male...Democrats....err n/m
[20:45] <US^Male> haha
[20:45] <MrRod> `Susan: A man has a natural right to be with multiple women. Women, of cour
[20:45] <US^Male> MrRod knows
[20:45] <CryHavoc> Mifget TK 2 horses Pelosi and Boxer...and 1 Byrd
[20:45] <abum> do you guys think iraq helped plan or carry out 9/11
[20:45] <CryHavoc> MrRod....wrong
[20:46] <Kaliuna> MR R -- lol you are really silly - oh and WRONG
[20:46] <CryHavoc> men are required to stay loyal to their woman
[20:46] <CryHavoc> hey Kali
[20:46] <CryHavoc> yes ..he is way wrong
[20:46] <Kaliuna> hi CRY
[20:46] <US^Male> MrRod is right. I can tell.
[20:46] <CometBaby> men are pigs :)
[20:46] <US^Male> I have a crystal ball
[20:46] <CryHavoc> CB that is not fair either
[20:46] <US^Male> CometBaby is also right
[20:46] <CometBaby> lol
[20:46] <US^Male> lol
[20:46] <CryHavoc> US male just got buzzered
[20:47] <Kaliuna> go COMET go!!
[20:47] <CryHavoc> he Clintoned the issue
[20:47] <US^Male> CometBaby and MrRod are correct, as usual !
[20:47] <CryHavoc> ass kisser
[20:47] <US^Male> people say "pig" like it's a bad thing
[20:47] <CryHavoc> it is
[20:47] <US^Male> CryHavoc, embrace your inner pig
[20:47] <CryHavoc> in some contexts
[20:47] <redfish> usmale ya pigs are actually very clean
[20:47] <`Susan> hey CometBaby
[20:47] * CryHavoc Oinks at US^Male
[20:47] <redfish> usmale is a dog
[20:48] <US^Male> CryHavoc, snort and roll in the mud like a natruhl man!
[20:48] <CryHavoc> Chauvinist pig as an example
[20:48] * US^Male snorts and rolls
[20:48] <jsable> \
[20:48] <US^Male> redfish knows
[20:48] <CometBaby> hi susan .. how are you?
[20:48] * CryHavoc CryPig mounts US^Male...OINKOINKOINK!!!
[20:48] <US^Male> haha
[20:48] <US^Male> see!
[20:48] <redfish> usmale did you see that article about an irish woman slowdancing naked with
[20:48] <`Susan> i'm good how you be?
[20:48] <CryHavoc> redfish yes I did
[20:48] <CometBaby> doing great .. thanks :)
[20:49] <DStewart> As long as two or more people love each other (or one or more people and a
[20:49] <`Susan> right on
[20:49] <CryHavoc> Libertania
[20:49] <US^Male> redfish yes, wasn't that hot ?
[20:49] <CryHavoc> but what the hell..if you want to rape yer livestock....Bang on
[20:49] <MrRod> You see, men need multiple women because men have a sex drive. Women don't r
[20:50] <jsable> DStewart: i kinda agree, however i think the term "marriage" should be appl
[20:50] <redfish> usmale is an ugly green caterpillar who will one day emerge as a beautiful
[20:50] <US^Male> MrRod is a true sage
[20:50] <CryHavoc> MrRod...were did you come up with that bullshit?
[20:50] <DStewart> LOL
[20:50] <US^Male> you folks need to relaize his wosdom
[20:50] <US^Male> err
[20:50] <yowz> well, they're inducing labor on my daughter saturday morning, so i'm off to ca
[20:50] <MrRod> CryHavoc: Hey, that's God's way.
[20:50] <CryHavoc> Freud Manuals or Chauvin diaries?
[20:50] <US^Male> you folks need to realize his wisdom
[20:50] <redfish> while she was doing the performance art someone should have shouted 'im goi
[20:50] <US^Male> lol
[20:50] <CryHavoc> no..its mentally mypoic chauvinist pig way
[20:50] <US^Male> redfish did she bend the pig over at the end
[20:50] <DStewart> Man, it's hard to be parodic enough with people who have no sense of irony
[20:51] <MrRod> CryHavoc: You're sounding like a NOW member!
[20:51] <jsable> US^Male: his wisdom? who is he?
[20:51] <US^Male> jsable: MrRod, our sage
[20:51] <CryHavoc> not a now member...but that sort of extremism invites the equivalent from
[20:52] <MrRod> CryHavoc must be a women with penis envy. It's obvious!
[20:52] <MrRod> woman
[20:52] <CryHavoc> MrRod has a rod up his posterior :P
[20:52] <MrRod> CryHavoc: No need for gay fantasies.
[20:53] <CryHavoc> its your fantasy....
[20:53] <jsable> not very xtian
[20:53] <Kaliuna> MrR -- what were you drinking?
[20:53] <CryHavoc> an paleolithic stance
[20:53] <MrRod> CryHavoc: I didn't bring that up.
[20:53] <DStewart> Maybe he's not a Xtian
[20:53] <redfish> cryhavoc when i have a baby i want annie leibovitz to take its picture
[20:53] <CryHavoc> jsable...define 'christian' ?
[20:53] <DStewart> Please don't
[20:53] <rumbleca> mrrod do you idolize women?
[20:53] <jsable> one who belives in christ.
[20:54] <MrRod> rumbleca: No, I just know what women want. To go shopping and spend a man's
[20:54] <DStewart> So saying that someone has his rod up his ass indicates nonbelief in Chris
[20:54] <DStewart> Man, that's a not very Xtian viewpoint.
[20:54] <CryHavoc> hrmmm so If I believe he lived and died even though he was only another ma
[20:54] <CryHavoc> I used that statement to make a point is all
[20:54] <jsable> DStewart: heh, yes.
[20:54] <DStewart> MrRod, you sound like you've been hurt...
[20:54] <CryHavoc> jsable...Rome seems to think not
[20:55] <DStewart> Tell us about it.
[20:55] <`Susan> funny thing is
[20:55] <DStewart> DON'T
[20:55] <jsable> Rome was destroyed.
[20:55] <redfish> a christian is someone who lives life straight and narrow
[20:55] <`Susan> jesus would be friends with all of you non believers or not
[20:55] <CryHavoc> nope..it still exists...
[20:55] <tweek> man I like this shit so much more than the whining an hour earlier
[20:55] <CryHavoc> Rome as in the Catholic meaning
[20:55] <MrRod> rumbleca: Women are typically happiest when working in the kitchen, caring f
[20:55] <`Susan> ack MrRod ACK!
[20:55] <US^Male> tweek see stick around long enough things go wild
[20:55] <CryHavoc> Jesus was a man...who got staked up in 33 AD more or less
[20:56] <tweek> MrRod: fucking shit there are people that actually think this
[20:56] <`Susan> men want to think that
[20:56] <US^Male> MrRod knows
[20:56] <CryHavoc> MrRod is in facetious mode
[20:56] <Kaliuna> MrR -- you been drinking or smoking something weird.....
[20:56] <tweek> MrRod is high.
[20:56] <MrRod> `Susan: Can't argue with nature!
[20:56] <rumbleca> mrrod: ah, I see
[20:56] <`Susan> heh
[20:56] <redfish> mrrod has a broad definition of servicing
[20:56] <US^Male> hahah
[20:56] <CryHavoc> no..he is in chan reg troll mode
[20:56] <CryHavoc> it happens
[20:56] <Kaliuna> MrR -- probably why you stay single ehh?
[20:56] <MrRod> rumbleca: I'm working on my pick up lines. I try them out here first.
[20:56] <jsable> CryHavoc: yep, i fail to see the value in having an idol that was staked/pu
[20:57] <US^Male> MrRod good job mang !
[20:57] <MrRod> redfish: Funny you should say "broad"
[20:57] <CryHavoc> he was one of many who were staked up...
[20:57] <US^Male> MrRod you know what's really messed up ? That one works
[20:57] <`Susan> the catholicks seem to worship peter more than jesus
[20:57] <CryHavoc> common thing during the time of Pax Romana
[20:57] <MrRod> US^Male: Which one?
[20:57] <tweek> `Susan: ?
[20:57] <`Susan> it's peters cross on the pope's chair
[20:57] <US^Male> the last one
[20:57] <CryHavoc> they sure Worship Peter...the Preists do anyways
[20:57] <DStewart> It's Jesus on the cross in every Catholic church.
[20:57] <MrRod> `Susan: Peter founded the Catholic church, right:?
[20:57] <`Susan> you know peters cross is inverted
[20:58] <CryHavoc> DStewart...and protestant one
[20:58] <DStewart> As well as the Stations of the Cross, which are also Jesus.
[20:58] <MrRod> DStewart: You sure? How do we know that? Do we know what Jesus looks like?
[20:58] <DStewart> CH, yeah, but she's talking about the Catholic Church.
[20:58] <US^Male> his *what* is inverted? ......
[20:58] <US^Male> sick sick sick
[20:58] <CryHavoc> his Peter ie
[20:58] <CryHavoc> is
[20:58] <`Susan> MrRod jesus did
[20:58] <CryHavoc> Lorena found him
[20:58] <jsable> imho jesus worship is idol worship if i following readings.
[20:59] <MrRod> Kaliuna: I just know what women want. And, no, you can't borrow my credit c
[20:59] <`Susan> i believe the catholicks miss inturpret a simple scripture
[20:59] <CryHavoc> I worship nothing.....
[20:59] <OldSchool> blasphemy
[20:59] <`Susan> hey OldSchool
[20:59] <redfish> jsable , because the gods that greeks and romans believed in were arrogant
[20:59] <Kaliuna> MrR -- why would I want yours - I have my own thank you
[20:59] <OldSchool> hiya
[20:59] <jsable> CryHavoc: you are pure!
[20:59] <CryHavoc> blasphemy.....
[20:59] <MrRod> `Susan: Does this mean you're not Catholic?
[20:59] <CryHavoc> no jsable..I do not believe in that crap
[20:59] <DStewart> MrRod, well, she can't spell it
[20:59] <DStewart> Or "miss inturpret"
[21:00] <US^Male> if you give your heart to Jesus, you can be redeemed
[21:00] <CryHavoc> Kali..bop MrRod
[21:00] <jsable> redfish: so its still idol worship to formulate a church around a pers
[21:00] <`Susan> check this out
[21:00] <CryHavoc> Jesus is a cannial
[21:00] <Kaliuna> MR R -- WHACK ...
[21:00] <redfish> and while in greek myth the persons own faults led to their death, for chri
[21:00] <`Susan> http://www.blessedquietness.com/crosinvt.jpg
[21:00] <CryHavoc> cannibal
[21:00] <MrRod> DStewart: I try not to fault people for bad spelling. I can't spell worth a
[21:00] <redfish> jsable something is idol worship if it doesnt transcend the idol
[21:00] <DStewart> Say what you will... the Psalms are some damn fine poetry
[21:00] <jsable> Vampire religion i call it
[21:00] <MrRod> Kaliuna: Wack? You like it rough, huh?
[21:00] <jsable> drink the Blood
[21:00] <CryHavoc> that it is
[21:00] <Kaliuna> MrR -- I did not get out the whip --
[21:01] <CryHavoc> looks like the Priest is praying for a woody
[21:01] <jsable> redfish: transcend is subjective
[21:01] <MrRod> Kaliuna: Drive a nail through the end of it.
[21:01] <US^Male> MrRod has been a baddd boy
[21:01] <Kaliuna> MrR -- what and ruin a good whip? you gotta be crazyyyyyyyy
[21:01] <`Susan> spank him US^Male!
[21:01] <CryHavoc> nail his rod to the wall
[21:01] <`Susan> and let me takes pics
[21:01] <`Susan> take
[21:01] <US^Male> Susan geez I told ya I'm not into that
[21:02] <CryHavoc> Susan is getting kinky
[21:02] <`Susan> could have fooled me :P
[21:02] <MrRod> DStewart: My sister became Catholic. Don't know why for sure but she did.
[21:02] <US^Male> Susan I'm sure there are some nice lesbians who will please you
[21:02] <CryHavoc> interesting......
[21:02] <DStewart> MrRod, uh, all the time?
[21:02] <DStewart> Because you don't really need to do self-mortification except at Lent
[21:02] <US^Male> with checkered shirts
[21:02] <`Susan> i'm not into chicks unless they are pam anderson or jlo
[21:02] <MrRod> DStewart: Yes. I think it's related to the no beef on Fridays thing. You'r
[21:02] <US^Male> you mean unless they have hepatitis
[21:02] <CryHavoc> MrRod..yer sister of the Opus Dei? :)
[21:02] <rumbleca> guys that think women are lesbians only because the women aren't into them
[21:03] <`Susan> heh rumbleca
[21:03] <Kaliuna> rum -- its 11:03
[21:03] <MrRod> CryHavoc: I haven't asked if she joined that. Wouldn't surprise me.
[21:03] <jsable> MrRod: chocolate cake is a food catholics can eat.....in fact i know of no f
[21:03] <rumbleca> Kaliuna: its only 10 here :o
[21:03] <CryHavoc> rumbleca...what if some women are that way? why should I care
[21:03] <US^Male> rumbleca gets it backwards once again =) Film at 12
[21:03] <DStewart> MrRod, you know, that is the thing. But it's kind of funny... I grew up Ca
[21:03] <Kaliuna> rumbleca -- you are behind time ehh
[21:03] <DStewart> MrRod, so my dad would order fish and chips---and that was a HUGE treat.
[21:03] <CryHavoc> I was saved from that crap....
[21:03] <MrRod> jsable: Oh, she can eat it. She just feels that by depriving herself of cho
[21:03] <rumbleca> Kaliuna: well that is an accurate statement
[21:04] <DStewart> So no meat... and we liked Friday fish and chips better than any other day
[21:04] <CryHavoc> folks broke with Catholic Church when I was 5
[21:04] <GregE> rumbleca, seems everyone thinks you're a little soft in the head over here ..
[21:04] <CryHavoc> DStewart also had tea
[21:04] <jsable> MrRod: oh well i've no answer for that. as its an individual expression.
[21:04] <MrRod> DStewart: I've heard of other families that did things like that. They woul
[21:04] <Kaliuna> rumbleca ayup -- cause I'm in the middle...
[21:04] <rumbleca> Kaliuna: Im mountain time
[21:04] <DStewart> MrRod, you should ask her sometime: "Are you actually feeling closer to Go
[21:05] <MrRod> jsable: I'm just glad she doesn't whip herself while doing religious things.
[21:05] <Kaliuna> rumbleca - ya I know you are - cause Eastern its FRI, and pacific is 9
[21:05] <CryHavoc> ahh no Ordo Dei punishements
[21:05] <DStewart> When DOES she whip herself?
[21:05] <CryHavoc> good
[21:05] <US^Male> MrRod can we be sure she doesn't ?
[21:05] <jsable> MrRod: you should convert her to the church of cock or something,,,,,make it
[21:05] <DStewart> Damn it. I'm hungry.
[21:05] <MrRod> DStewart: Are you kidding? She'd kill me for asking that (and ask for forgi
[21:05] <Kaliuna> DS -- snack time
[21:05] <DStewart> Off to bed with me.
[21:05] <DStewart> jsable, uh, his sister?
[21:05] <CryHavoc> jsable..his biological sister??
[21:05] <Kaliuna> DS! ohhhhh
[21:05] <CryHavoc> night DS
[21:05] <rumbleca> grege: perhaps they do, but that doesn't have any bearing on our little ex
[21:05] <jsable> ????sister?
[21:06] <DStewart> Well... as I said earlier...
[21:06] <DStewart> As long as two or more people love each other (or one or more people and a
[21:06] <MrRod> jsable: First, she's my sister. That's not going to happen. Second, that's
[21:06] <jsable> i dont remember saying a thing about a persons sister
[21:06] <US^Male> Ds that's right
[21:06] <jsable> MrRod: oh i thought it was you wife.
[21:06] <MrRod> DStewart: I think the state can say they can't do it in the street (though,
[21:06] <DStewart> MrRod is married to his SISTER
[21:07] <DStewart> THAT'S DISGUSTING
[21:07] <DStewart> But, of course...
[21:07] <DStewart> As long as two or more people love each other (or one or more people and a
[21:07] <MrRod> jsable: I'd like to think I have enough sense not to marry a hard-core Catho
[21:07] <jsable> MrRod: my bad, i thought it was your wife....anyway so is you sister hot?
[21:07] <US^Male> Ds but who are we to judge ?
[21:07] <US^Male> DStewart: maybe she's hot
[21:07] <DStewart> And that's all that would matter
[21:07] <US^Male> hahah
[21:07] <CryHavoc> DStewart....inbreeding is bad
[21:08] <DStewart> CH, so what?
[21:08] <MrRod> jsable: She is... available.
[21:08] <CryHavoc> it would create democrats and other politicians
[21:08] <DStewart> outbreeding has some pretty sucky results quite often too
[21:08] <DStewart> I gotta go
[21:08] <redfish> usmale , when two people get a marriage certificate from government entitli
[21:08] <DStewart> gunite.
[21:08] <GregE> hyp3rz9
[21:08] <MrRod> DStewart: In California it's legal to marry your first cousin.
[21:08] <US^Male> redfish hahah
[21:08] <redfish> brb
[21:08] <CryHavoc> outbreeding has a better chance of creating something of note though
[21:09] <MrRod> CryHavoc: Inbreeding can be interesting too. Wasn't FDR married to his cous
[21:09] <jsable> MrRod: why marry a hard corps any religion, person,,,,islam, jewish, budd
[21:09] <CryHavoc> 5 times removed
[21:09] <GregE> lol
[21:10] <MrRod> jsable: Does this mean you want her phone number?
[21:10] <CometBaby> inbreeding is love if you want to produce children who are mute and deaf
[21:10] <jsable> MrRod: yes but is she hot? a joke,,,,, what religion are you, i'm none,,
[21:10] <CometBaby> or otherwise have big problems
[21:10] <MrRod> CometBaby: Other interesting things can happen.
[21:11] <MrRod> CometBaby: Ever been to Warren Buffett's house?
[21:11] <rumbleca> grege: I told you what I think of your idea. take it or leave it, no point
[21:11] <jsable> MrRod: no i'd rather communicate in txt,,,,,Again if i was to communicate
[21:12] <CometBaby> lol .. no
[21:12] <MrRod> jsable: I don't have an organized religion affiliation. I've been to a gran
[21:12] <CometBaby> but I have driven past it many times .. he's been in that house for about
[21:12] <MrRod> jsable: Oh, so you're under 18?
[21:13] <MrRod> jsable: I wouldn't want to get my sister in trouble.
[21:14] <US^Male> MrRod, she won't be found guilty if she's hot
[21:14] <MrRod> jsable: I felt very out of place at that church service. It was an Assembli
[21:14] <MrRod> CometBaby: It's a very modest house, isn't it?
[21:15] <MrRod> CometBaby: If I buy a couple of my neighbor's houses I can legally have a ho
[21:15] <jsable> well you have never been to a real funeral unless it was a Catholic funeral,
[21:15] <MrRod> jsable: It was a Catholic funeral.
[21:16] <jsable> so you know how long they are?
[21:16] <jsable> best part is the insense
[21:16] <MrRod> jsable: Funny thing is, the priest was Vietnamese but the dead guy hated Asi
[21:17] <jsable> yeah i'm sure that happens a lot
[21:17] <jsable> every body has their own differences.
[21:17] <MrRod> jasble: Some people actually kissed the corpse. Ewww.
[21:17] <MrRod> jasble: No tongue, I hope!
[21:18] <jsable> in some cultures its natural to touch the corpse
[21:18] <jsable> i'm like that for family members
[21:19] <jsable> but NOW i revised my will to be an Irish wake.
[21:19] <jsable> i want my dead body propped up, in the middle of a party.
[21:20] <US^Male> MrRod wants to be buried in his Pink Cadillac
[21:21] <MrRod> jsable: They do that?
[21:21] <jsable> yes
[21:21] <jsable> its a fact
[21:21] <MrRod> Cool.
[21:21] <MrRod> Hope nobody trips over him.
[21:23] <jsable> we didnt think my mom knew about the proper irish funeral
[21:24] <jsable> i think its cool. i want that. followed up by a flaming corpse upon
[21:24] <L0c0> MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (AP) -- An 11-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by as
[21:25] * bluefish is now known as redfish
[21:25] <MrRod> L0c0: Can you guess the race of the girl?
[21:25] <L0c0> According to court papers, the 11-year-old girl told police she was interested
[21:25] <L0c0> The alleged victim and two friends went to the 16-year-old's house, where the
[21:26] <MrRod> L0c0: I read the article. The never mentioned that it was in a black ghetto
[21:27] <L0c0> the hosue they show doesn't look very ghetto
[21:28] <CryHavoc> well...its a matter of educated guesswork
[21:28] <redfish> l0c0 you dont look very ghetto
[21:28] <CryHavoc> redfish is an OPG
[21:28] <jsable> what is the term ghetto?
[21:28] <US^Male> redfish: Ahm gonna cut ya
[21:29] <L0c0> http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2408201
[21:29] <CryHavoc> economically depressed area of an Urban setting
[21:29] <CryHavoc> US Ma,e...Redfish is an Original Piscine Gangsta
[21:29] <L0c0> jsable: basically a place where white people never go
[21:29] <L0c0> :-P
[21:29] <jsable> oh like the poor areas of germany during ww2?
[21:29] <CryHavoc> he will bus' some scales uon yo azz
[21:29] <DarthBurg> the Pisces had a hit out on Steve Irwin
[21:29] <redfish> usmale beware knave thou shalt be cut by mine hand
[21:29] <CryHavoc> yes
[21:29] <redfish> no no no
[21:30] <CryHavoc> the warsaw ghetto was a forcivle construct though
[21:30] <L0c0> Numerous violent crimes have shocked the city this summer, starting with a Mem
[21:30] <L0c0> damn
[21:30] <L0c0> wtf is going on in milwaukee?
[21:30] <CryHavoc> L0c0....across the nation?
[21:30] <jsable> i've cheap rent thanks to the "ghetto factor" so i'm good.
[21:30] <CryHavoc> or in Milwaukee
[21:30] <CryHavoc> perhaps its all the cheap beer there
[21:30] <L0c0> A search of the house turned up condoms and a video camera, Torbenson said.
[21:30] <DarthBurg> you know it had to happen sooner or later
[21:31] <L0c0> Cryhavoc: no, just in milwaukee
[21:31] <CryHavoc> cheap ass beer
[21:31] * DarthBurg sings, "Down in the ghetto...."
[21:31] <CryHavoc> L0c0....Internet sales??
[21:31] <L0c0> http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2006/09/07/ap/us/d8k09h5g0.txt
[21:31] <CryHavoc> MT does not have any ghettoes
[21:32] <DarthBurg> yes we do.
[21:32] <DarthBurg> trailer trash mostly
[21:32] <DarthBurg> its the homesless people who are... migratory
[21:33] <CryHavoc> well..it is rather hard to sleep on the MT streets
[21:33] <CryHavoc> Vagrantsicles
[21:34] <CryHavoc> I loved Glacier park though...
[21:34] <DarthBurg> yes it is how we tell the changing of the seasons, road construction andm
[21:34] <CryHavoc> actual wildlife in that one
[21:34] <jsable> RV trash? what do you think of ppl who live in RVs?
[21:34] <MrRod> I have a $269 credit balance on my credit card. Obviously, I'm not married!
[21:34] <CryHavoc> brb
[21:35] <yowz> cash back program?
[21:35] <DarthBurg> yes we have actual wildlife here in montana, and we shoot at most of it
[21:35] <MrRod> jsable: People who actually live in RVs (and aren't retired)? Yeah, commonl
[21:35] <MrRod> DarthBurg: Montana is turning into the next liberal haven.
[21:36] <MrRod> DarthBurg: They're buying up the nicer parts of Montana.
[21:36] <jsable> WHat you say that ppl who live in RVs are trash? Unless they are old?
[21:36] <MrRod> jsable: Yes.
[21:36] <MrRod> jsable: Why? Do you live in one?
[21:36] <DarthBurg> MrRod you are of course, correct, luckily the nicer parts do not yet have
[21:37] <US^Male> oh but the RV has plumbin
[21:37] <DarthBurg> donkeys tend to avoid RV's, burn to much gas
[21:37] <jsable> MrRod: i say you are wrong. and that ppl who live in RVs are free,,,,the
[21:37] <yowz> know what it costs to stay at a KOA per nite?
[21:37] <tweek> but if Montana is lefsit, where will the militia assholes hole up in?
[21:37] <Kaliuna> jsable they do have RENT - cause it costs to park that RV
[21:38] <jsable> MrRod: no i hope to live in one, i see it as the ultimate freedom.
[21:38] <US^Male> tweek, Idaho
[21:38] <US^Male> where they always do
[21:38] <tweek> yeah, Idaho blows anyway
[21:38] <MrRod> jsable: It's like saying people who drive around neighborhoods at night playi
[21:38] <DarthBurg> tweek, if you would refer to your Donkey Information packet, you would se
[21:38] <jsable> Kaliuna: costs to park is relative, there are places any can park for free.
[21:38] <DarthBurg> drawn^
[21:38] <tweek> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=idaho_blows
[21:39] <Kaliuna> jsable few and far between and only overnight
[21:39] <US^Male> DarthBurg: "Please Do Not Feed the Donkeys"
[21:39] <tweek> DarthBurg: you see, that's the problem.
[21:39] <tweek> Montana is uninhabited.
[21:39] <MrRod> jsable: It's like guys with shaved heads who drive really loud Harleys throu
[21:39] <tweek> so is North Dakota, Wyoming, South Dakota, Nebraska...
[21:39] <yowz> park for free, then you have the situation of water/sewer hookups, do you want
[21:39] <DarthBurg> tweek why is this a problem?
[21:39] <tweek> because it's a waste of fucking money, that's why.
[21:39] <US^Male> yowz you can plug into their wall outlet too
[21:39] <DarthBurg> what? no people?
[21:39] * ChartPro is now known as all2human
[21:39] <jsable> NO its like saying having a a mobile home is stupid!? i think its wise y
[21:40] <US^Male> as long as you are gone by 6AM
[21:40] <tweek> 'no people' doesn't always imply 'no federal income'.
[21:40] <MrRod> jsable: Like I said, there are exceptions, but many people who live in RVs d
[21:40] <DarthBurg> tweek, no, no people, no tax base.
[21:40] <DarthBurg> thisis true.
[21:40] <v0id> http://i8.tinypic.com/4i1f88o.jpg
[21:40] <yowz> dems are typically drawn to parts of the country that have tall buildings
[21:40] <tweek> roads
[21:40] <MrRod> jsable: A lot of those mobile homes are anything but mobile.
[21:40] <tweek> agricultural aid
[21:40] <tweek> rural schools...
[21:40] <DarthBurg> h we have roads, they just aren't paved.
[21:40] <jsable> MrRod: Blashtphomy,,,,,what is better than mobile living?
[21:41] <MrRod> jsable: You mean living in a trailer?
[21:41] <DarthBurg> schools do not nned federal money to exist.
[21:41] <tweek> WELL GUESS WHAT DUMBFUCK, THEY GET IT.
[21:41] <jsable> no living in a decent tank
[21:41] <jsable> a self propelled living environment
[21:41] <DarthBurg> tweek, insults? but we were doing so good.
[21:41] <tweek> name one public school that doesn't have their fucking hand out?
[21:41] <jsable> that is the best
[21:41] <DarthBurg> "public" school
[21:41] <MrRod> jsable: A rambling man?
[21:42] <DarthBurg> i am leaving now.
[21:42] <MrRod> Private schools have their hands out as well.
[21:42] <tweek> ... true.
[21:42] <MrRod> Actually, some private schools get a LOT of public money.
[21:42] <tweek> private schools simply do not exist in unpopulated areas.
[21:42] <tweek> but what mainly pisses me off is drought relief.
[21:43] <tweek> after, what, half a decade of low yield, you'd think that it would be time to
[21:43] <MrRod> tweek: Don't you live in North Dakota?
[21:43] <ajofi> i thought all farmers got paid by contract
[21:43] <tweek> and leave the fucking state's economy to crawl up its own asshole.
[21:43] <ajofi> that's the whole point behind comodities
[21:43] <jsable> MrRod: yes i guess. in mongolia they have no fences, no fences at the
[21:43] <ajofi> commodities
[21:43] <tweek> South. same thing basically
[21:43] <tweek> hate every minute of it
[21:44] <ajofi> buyer makes a contract to purchase grain for a certain amount at a certain pr
[21:44] <ajofi> if there's a drought, he still pays for the contract
[21:45] <tweek> not entirely sure how the process works, but I'm fairly certain that buyers w
[21:46] <jsable> ajofi: so ? in x time a company has oil reservses w
[21:46] <jsable> That happened
[21:47] <tweek> I don't think supply for the type of stuff the Midwest deals in will ever go
[21:48] <tweek> ... that is, if Congress would just stop pandering to their whining and stop
[21:49] <tweek> thankfully drought relief is losing popularity among legislature however.
[21:49] <MrRod> jsable: This is what I'm thinking.... http://www.garysweetman.com/web%20imag
[21:52] <MrRod> Well.
[21:54] <jsable> ok, MrRod your links are lame,,,,,,,,is that what you were saying?
[21:55] <jsable> one nation under god doesnt mean one nation under a president.
[21:56] <syoung333> i thought Bush was God?
[21:56] <Rebec> I thought I was
[21:56] <jsable> no just a false puppet
[21:57] <jsable> see a true profit, would explain the benifits of certain arms.
[21:57] <MrRod> syoung333: Bush is not God. It only seems that way.
[21:57] <jsable> like a .50cal is good for about a kilo
[21:59] <MrRod> A kilo of what?
[22:00] <jsable> a kilometer
[22:00] * LSMan is now known as LSMan|BNC
[22:01] <TwoKnives> he means "klick"
[22:01] <jsable> no if the person cannot understand a kilo, fuck 'm
[22:03] <TimothyT> lets see how long this lasts
[22:03] * LSMan|BNC is now known as LSMan
[22:04] <jsable> it lasts till infinity?
[22:04] <TimothyT> nope
[22:04] <TimothyT> I'm having new comp problems the fan will not cut off
[22:05] <jsable> like?
[22:05] <MrRod> TimothyT: A PC?
[22:06] <jsable> oh gay lingo. hmm yeah
[22:08] <`Susan> there is alot of gay bonding in this channel i mean male bonding
[22:08] <TimothyT> MrRod : yes
[22:08] <`Susan> especially between 3 people that will remain nameless heh
[22:09] <TimothyT> MrRod : it's not the fan the hard drive lite doesn't cut off like it shoul
[22:09] <TimothyT> its not a pc but a laptop
[22:10] <rumbleca> <Txlies> if i start a jail as root, and then want to run say apache
[22:10] <rumbleca> root,.. is su -c httpd the way to go or is there oops
[22:10] <rumbleca> sorry
[22:12] * moderatwo is now known as moderatum
[22:12] * _entrex is now known as entrex
[22:15] <L0c0> Venezuela's air force: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Venezuel
[22:15] <L0c0> Iraq's air force: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/Iraqi_AF.jpg
[22:20] <Publius> Peru bans flights over Inca ruins
[22:20] <Publius> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5326042.stm
[22:20] <Publius> aw
[22:21] <duffsterr> nice...
[22:21] <Publius> wassap
[22:21] <ajofi> Military lawyers question Bush plan for trials http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14
[22:21] <Publius> JAG is a cool show
[22:21] <duffsterr> i am just wondering what all this hub bub of clinton goin anal over this
[22:22] <US-Male> it's Donkiness
[22:22] <Rebec> Publius :)
[22:22] <Publius> wat movie?
[22:22] <Publius> Rebec heya
[22:22] <duffsterr> Publius, its all over the NEW NEWS...
[22:22] <Publius> duff lol i've been taking a news break this week
[22:23] <duffsterr> Publius, good, yure better off...
[22:23] <US-Male> news is for suckers
[22:23] <Publius> pfft
[22:23] <US-Male> take 2 weeks off I say
[22:23] <Publius> I'm takin a week or so
[22:23] <Publius> nfl season is back
[22:23] <Publius> WHOOOOOOOOOO
[22:23] <duffsterr> the NEW MEDIA NEWS.... not the OLD media..... is that fair.... isnt that
[22:25] <Publius> shes perky!
[22:25] <duffsterr> yeah, and everyone is dead, nice....
[22:26] <Publius> yaaallah!
[22:26] * Publius wonders off
[22:26] <duffsterr> ahahah
[22:26] <duffsterr> rush limbaugh was on her show 2nite? wth?
[22:26] <duffsterr> omgoodness........
[22:29] <Crispy`> ROFLMAOOOOOO
[22:29] <Crispy`> http://xkcd.com/comics/beliefs.jpg <--- XKCD IS NOW MY FAVORITE COMIC EV
[22:29] <duffsterr> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bbC9Tf5-vU
[22:29] <duffsterr> haha, amen
[22:32] <FreeTimer> Quickest way to Beat Chavez, Iran, Putin and other troublemakers is devel
[22:32] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, just DIG for oil, anywheres in NA..... its over......
[22:33] <FreeTimer> Remember when we had an Arms race with The old Soviets ? What we need now
[22:33] <FreeTimer> And while this is going on we should also develop alternative energy beca
[22:33] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, we have a RACE of IDEAS today...... it is VERSUS the mainstrea
[22:33] <FreeTimer> What you do is give Energy companies tax breaks for money reinvested in c
[22:34] <FreeTimer> You do that and half the political side of the war on terrorism goes away
[22:34] <FreeTimer> Also Iran isnt making 80 a barrel
[22:34] <FreeTimer> more like 30 a barrel
[22:34] <FreeTimer> or even less.
[22:35] <CarZ> Anyone know anything excitingly interesting about the Southern New England col
[22:35] <FreeTimer> Why is something so obvious so not on the front burner of politicians pla
[22:35] <FreeTimer> Or is there some hidden agenda ?
[22:35] <FreeTimer> I think its both.
[22:35] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, the borders are the #1 ideas of the voters...
[22:35] <duffsterr> isnt that amazing......
[22:36] <FreeTimer> Duffster, we were falling to 35% of our own oil supply 15 years ago we di
[22:36] <FreeTimer> we can back up to at least 70% again
[22:36] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, amen, how much is a gallon of gasoline today?
[22:36] <FreeTimer> then add Nuclear Power Plants and Alternative energy and we can get anoth
[22:36] <FreeTimer> Opecs power is gone, Russias is gone, Venezuelas becomes an Ant again.
[22:37] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, the word NUCLEAR to a DEMOCRAT is 666........
[22:37] <FreeTimer> Hugo Chavez becomes the ant he was again.
[22:37] <FreeTimer> Also you keep unemployment very low..
[22:37] <FreeTimer> because it provides lots of jobs in fact we would have to import labor fr
[22:37] <FreeTimer> Its a win win win win win win win
[22:37] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, unemployment is already low..... under 5% is HEAVEN.. with
[22:38] <FreeTimer> Which is why Politicians arent doing a goddamn thing.
[22:38] <duffsterr> isnt that amazing......
[22:38] <FreeTimer> Well actually republicans many of them are in favor of this but the democ
[22:39] <jsable> so politicians are doing nothing. what are you doing?
[22:39] <FreeTimer> What i am doing is a $800k remodel job.
[22:39] <jsable> you are Fat.
[22:39] <jsable> good for you.
[22:39] <FreeTimer> Providing work for lots of people, sub contractors, taxes for the governm
[22:40] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, lololol, amen, so the lesser of 2 evils since Goldwater HAS be
[22:40] <FreeTimer> No I am not fat.
[22:40] <FreeTimer> I am not even ricch
[22:40] <FreeTimer> I am middle class.
[22:40] <FreeTimer> So what are you doing ?
[22:40] <jsable> FreeTimer: i diss agree with that, as the best a country can do is get
[22:41] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, 1964 happened....... Goldwater lost by 1 million votes......
[22:41] <FreeTimer> Im contributing to the social welfare of my nation and other nations sinc
[22:41] <FreeTimer> You disagree ? You think a country should get out of the way ? Thats EXAC
[22:42] <FreeTimer> My whole point is the fucking government is preventing oil drilling, Refi
[22:42] <FreeTimer> There should be 20 at least.
[22:42] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[22:43] <jsable> no your country the USA got owned whenvever, i'lll not debate
[22:43] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, u poor indepedent minded American..........
[22:43] <FreeTimer> Columbia River could easily handle 6 more Nuclear plants, in fact at one
[22:43] <FreeTimer> Damn good place to build too...
[22:43] <CarZ> Quick question?
[22:44] <FreeTimer> Not much populaiton, Not much seismic activity.
[22:44] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, amen...... it is ALL the enviromental boobs who hate capitalis
[22:44] <CarZ> (And I'll be on my way...)
[22:44] <Rebec> yes?
[22:44] <CarZ> Anyone know anything excitingly interesting about the Southern New England col
[22:44] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, yure realizing what the Ds are all about....... or the GREENS
[22:44] <CarZ> Initial discoverings.
[22:44] <FreeTimer> No Ocean activity (tsunamis ring of fire etc) The pacific ocean is one bi
[22:44] <jsable> nothing but clam chowder
[22:44] <Rebec> google sounds like the answer
[22:45] <CarZ> Rebec: And also if someone knows something Google doesn't have. :)
[22:45] <CarZ> Someone here.
[22:45] <duffsterr> CarZ, yes, pussy...
[22:45] <duffsterr> CarZ, yes, pussy... cats....
[22:45] <FreeTimer> Ive known what the greens were about for a long time, Greens want sociali
[22:45] <FreeTimer> Hey Rebec!
[22:45] <Rebec> hi free
[22:45] <CarZ> duffsterr: 1) You know only latter. 2) Google has both.
[22:46] <Rebec> Car as much as I'd like to do your homework you can't afford me
[22:46] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, amen, they are THE Authoritarians........
[22:46] <FreeTimer> And for every job in construction on these plants and workers on refineri
[22:46] <CarZ> Rebec: I probably wouldn't want you anyhow. :)
[22:46] <duffsterr> CarZ, thanx, car(z)..........
[22:46] <FreeTimer> We could sustain one hell of an economy for 20 years.
[22:46] <FreeTimer> Our biggest problem is a labor shortage.
[22:46] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, we already HAVE....... it is on-going today..... lol...
[22:46] <CryHavoc> duff!!!!
[22:46] <FreeTimer> But then we just need to bring in guest workers and some immigrants.
[22:46] <jsable> labor shortage?
[22:47] <FreeTimer> 4.7% UI anything below 3.7%
[22:47] <jsable> how so? you have a problem with immigrant work?
[22:47] <FreeTimer> 3.7% is what we have now I mean. wait.. Fuck I am confused and I usually
[22:47] <FreeTimer> 4.7%
[22:47] <FreeTimer> right ?
[22:47] <FreeTimer> Heads lost for a second.
[22:47] <Rebec> geez what a dork
[22:48] <Rebec> and he insults me
[22:48] <Rebec> carz too lazy to do homework lol
[22:48] <CryHavoc> hey Rebec :)
[22:48] <duffsterr> isnt that amazing...
[22:48] <FreeTimer> Anyway We get down to about 3.5% or lower and we have a serious inflation
[22:49] <jsable> and we care why?
[22:49] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, gas prices = $2.43 HERE in the midwest.... holy pooop!
[22:49] <FreeTimer> which is why we need to make illegals legal now, and get moving on buildi
[22:49] <jsable> your labor problems is a china solution
[22:49] <CryHavoc> duff...good
[22:49] <FreeTimer> CarZ Hey dont talk that way to Rebex.
[22:50] <FreeTimer> Rebex
[22:50] <duffsterr> isnt that amazing...
[22:50] <Rebec> free he left
[22:50] <FreeTimer> Rebec, Sorry on the spelling
[22:50] <FreeTimer> Oh
[22:50] <Rebec> but he insulted me before he did lol
[22:50] <Rebec> it's all good
[22:50] <duffsterr> poor guy
[22:50] <Rebec> I get called rebex sometimes
[22:50] <duffsterr> is this channel still being MOCKED on another mirc channel?
[22:50] <FreeTimer> Well My typing you know.
[22:50] <FreeTimer> When I have to type Rebec 3 times to get rid of the z
[22:50] <FreeTimer> Hey Totz!
[22:50] <FreeTimer> there I can use a z
[22:51] <FreeTimer> ;)
[22:51] <FreeTimer> Duffster, gas now is $2.75 here
[22:51] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, $2.35 here....
[22:51] <FreeTimer> and I want you to check the logs on what I have been saying about oil pri
[22:52] <duffsterr> BUSH DID NOT CAUSE THAT! isnt that incredible...
[22:52] <FreeTimer> Its going to go down a lot more as long as we dont have some short term c
[22:52] <FreeTimer> But in the mid term its going to go down a lot over the next year.
[22:52] <jsable> clever
[22:53] <CryHavoc> Dick Cheney let loose some of the gasoline he had stored in his house
[22:53] <FreeTimer> Look for possibly $2 a gallon again Of course things can change in a minu
[22:53] <FreeTimer> But barring any major disturbance we are going to keep seeing oil fall..
[22:53] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, its ooooooverrrrrrrr ... lol
[22:53] <FreeTimer> Democrats will say Bush engineered it for the elections.
[22:54] <CryHavoc> of course
[22:54] <duffsterr> poor bush
[22:54] <CryHavoc> We need a new name for the main stream media
[22:54] <CryHavoc> Newsnazis?
[22:54] <duffsterr> Liberals today are an absolute JOKE....
[22:54] <JanetB> I am so sad, I was really looking forward to the drama, to be shown in ABC s
[22:55] <FreeTimer> But in fact its because of nigeria being more stable right now, The Alask
[22:55] <jsable> newsnazi?
[22:55] <US-Male> brain free media
[22:55] <jsable> what are they
[22:55] <Rebec> NO NEWS FOR YOU!
[22:55] * Rebec laughs
[22:55] <FreeTimer> hey US!
[22:55] <CryHavoc> the Media as a collective entity is behaving in a anti-freedom manner
[22:55] <duffsterr> liberals today to me are Larry Flynt...... the Democratic Party LEADER
[22:55] <US-Male> hey FT =)
[22:56] <jsable> what are the americans?
[22:56] <FreeTimer> We need a national energy race just like the Arms race of the 80s.. that
[22:56] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, we need more goddamn OIL REFINERIES!
[22:57] <US-Male> or like the moon race only with private funds
[22:57] <FreeTimer> Yeah all this can be done privately
[22:57] <US-Male> we need "all of the above'
[22:57] <duffsterr> US-Male, hahaha amen
[22:57] <US-Male> refineries, nukes, alternate energy
[22:57] <US-Male> build it all
[22:58] <duffsterr> US-Male, France relies SOLELY? is this true? on NUCLEAR energy today?!
[22:58] <US-Male> mostly
[22:58] <FreeTimer> All you need to do is ge government out of the way, in fact have governme
[22:58] <duffsterr> US-Male, isnt that amazing....
[22:58] <jsable> american soldiers?
[22:58] <US-Male> I dunno about totally but mostly for sure
[22:58] <FreeTimer> I agree there are circumstances where environmentalists could be right.
[22:58] <FreeTimer> For example if they want to build a Nuclear plant in middle of a resident
[22:58] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, amen amen amen amen amen aWOMANS! a FREEDOM...... u got it
[22:59] <jsable> you agree that you do not know shit.
[22:59] <FreeTimer> But 95% of the environmental claims are bogus
[22:59] <US-Male> yeah Simi is hot -- better for solar ;p
[22:59] <US-Male> solar and wind
[22:59] <FreeTimer> and in fact the Nuclear Plants I talked about bring Clean energy
[22:59] <Rebec> duff lol is saying amen sexist?
[22:59] <duffsterr> Rebec, u goofball, u tell me... lololl... no i think most women i meet
[23:00] <US-Male> put one behind the white house
[23:00] <duffsterr> US-Male lol
[23:00] <FreeTimer> IM A FUCKING marine
[23:00] <FreeTimer> hooyah
[23:00] <FreeTimer> Semper FI
[23:00] <US-Male> lol
[23:00] <FreeTimer> Served in Korea mother fucker
[23:00] <Rebec> duff I was just teasing cause you said awoman lol
[23:00] <duffsterr> FreeTimer, whateverrrrrrr... semper fi :)
[23:00] <FreeTimer> Dont ever talk town my military
[23:00] <FreeTimer> :)
[23:00] <duffsterr> Rebec, i know.... lol.....
[23:01] <duffsterr> Rebec, i am in trouble now... lol
[23:01] <FreeTimer> Actually if someone is thinking wow why did he kick him ? The real reason
[23:01] <CryHavoc> night peeps
[23:01] <Rebec> duff why
[23:01] <FreeTimer> [23:00] <jsable> you agree that you do not know shit.
[23:01] <duffsterr> Rebec, do u think Hilary will win in 08? yure a woman.... come on.....
[23:01] <FreeTimer> Whoever he was talking to, That was very rude.
[23:01] <Rebec> I will not vote for her, I can't stand her so I hope not
[23:01] <FreeTimer> And I dont like Rudeness.
[23:01] <FreeTimer> I really dont.
[23:02] <pilgrim`> I think whoever wins, will be a real looser
[23:02] <FreeTimer> Hey Pilgrim!
[23:02] <duffsterr> uh oh, here come the others... lol
[23:02] <pilgrim`> hola boss
[23:02] <FreeTimer> BTW I am not old enough for Korea
[23:02] <duffsterr> Rebec, WHY would you NOT vote for Hilary Clinton?
[23:02] <FreeTimer> I think it ended about the time I was born ;)
[23:02] <pilgrim`> kimchee is lousy with hamburger
[23:03] <Rebec> duff cause I don't like her
[23:03] <jsable> FreeTimer: no i agree that i can counter religious types,,,
[23:03] <US-Male> FT's Dad has gotten on his PC
[23:03] <pilgrim`> Free yes, about 2 years b4
[23:03] <FreeTimer> And I was never in the Marines..
[23:03] <duffsterr> Rebec, okay, u DO KNOW yure gonna get OWNED by other FEMALE voters....
[23:03] <FreeTimer> Jsable, What is a religious Type, I am an atheist but i know a lot of rel
[23:03] <Rebec> duff whatever
[23:04] <duffsterr> i have to sleep somedays :)
[23:04] <duffsterr> gnite all
[23:04] <duffsterr> Rebec, kisses to u
[23:04] <Rebec> duff thanks
[23:04] <US-Male> jsable, accept Jesus as your savior
[23:04] <duffsterr> US-Male LOLOLOL
[23:04] <duffsterr> haha
[23:04] <US-Male> =)
[23:04] <duffsterr> gnite
[23:04] <duffsterr> lol
[23:04] <pilgrim`> Hillary si the best Trollop to ever run, the most distinguished baggage t
[23:04] <ShadowAFK> hi rebec
[23:04] <FreeTimer> Gnite Duff
[23:05] <FreeTimer> Night chall for once I am going to get some sleep..
[23:05] <pilgrim`> ttfn
[23:05] * pilgrim` is sittin here lookin at his guitar and wishign he had learned to read... and mo
[23:06] <pilgrim`> I have this tune in my head and I would like to write it down
[23:06] <pilgrim`> but alas...
[23:06] <jonas-> whoa just saw 'v for vendetta' .. the most overrated movie ever.. ugh.
[23:06] <FreeTimer> I saw that
[23:07] <pilgrim`> I can sort of play it, but, it is actually for a 12 string guitar, 3 viol
[23:07] <jonas-> it sucks big time
[23:07] <jonas-> filled with cliches
[23:07] <FreeTimer> Yes its almost disturbing in some ways..
[23:07] <FreeTimer> Its very anarchsit
[23:07] <pilgrim`> its a samba
[23:07] <US-Male> pilgrim` just whistle it into a tape recorder
[23:07] <FreeTimer> Anachist
[23:07] <pilgrim`> I am serious. I can "hear" what it shoudl sound like, but I do not know ho
[23:08] <US-Male> I dunno how either
[23:08] <US-Male> I think I learned some elementary stuff in music class but who remembers th
[23:08] <FreeTimer> lag
[23:08] <FreeTimer> Soon as he gets back I can leave
[23:08] <pilgrim`> I never took any music but I can play any stringed instrement
[23:09] <FreeTimer> Samne server oh well
[23:09] <pilgrim`> guitar is my prefered one but I can play at least 1 tune on any instrement
[23:09] <pilgrim`> bazzuki is fun
[23:10] <FreeTimer> I can play any woman, Any race, religion, Color, ethnicity, nationality,
[23:10] <FreeTimer> J/K thats the old man in me talking my wife says.. Sign of my age..
[23:10] <FreeTimer> Ok Goodnight.
[23:10] <US-Male> laters ;p
[23:10] <pilgrim`> at a party once 1 guy showed off his banjo and another his guitar so I pla
[23:11] <pilgrim`> I flubbed after a while but got aplause anyway ;)
[23:11] <pilgrim`> Free get soem sleep
[23:12] <US-Male> I better sleep too
[23:12] <US-Male> laters
[23:13] <randym_> FreeTimer: hi
[23:13] <randym_> prices dropped 40k already
[23:23] <wiretapp> The debate over when Tony Blair will step down as Prime Minister is contin
[23:23] <wiretapp> Mr Blair gave a timetable for his departure from Number 10 for the first t
[23:24] <wiretapp> TOKYO, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Oil extended a week of losses to strike a new fi
[23:26] <DarthBurg> oil
[23:27] <wiretapp> carbomb explodes near U.S. embassey in Kabul
[23:29] <gojiri> hi saints and sentessas
[23:29] <gojiri> saintessas
[23:29] <gojiri> oh well bad joke
[23:30] <gojiri> I'm not meaning to offend anyone
[23:30] <gojiri> Just giving a light greeting to you all
[23:31] <DarthBurg> yo
[23:31] <gojiri> "darth burg" sounds like a molar infection
[23:31] <DarthBurg> Jewish Sith Lord
[23:32] <gojiri> are you serious
[23:32] <Darth
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