Session Start: Thu May 18 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #politics
[00:00] <Ryan89> oh God it was a terrible screw up
[00:00] <Ryan89> the equivalent of saying "omg look how black they are!"
[00:00] <bmc> maybe he meant it in a 'good' way
[00:00] <Ryan89> http://thatvideosite.com/view/629.html
[00:00] <Ryan89> watch that
[00:00] <Ryan89> yeah he did. it just came out awful
[00:01] <panini> wolf blitzer is a racist
[00:01] <WotGorila> so is oprah
[00:01] <bmc> who cares :P hes just a journalist
[00:07] <Ryan89> i think most people hold stereotypes in their head.
[00:07] <Ryan89> wolf just let one slip out
[00:07] <WotGorila> One great thing about high gas prices, less traffic on the highways and o
[00:08] <occ_> sez you, WotGorila
[00:08] <occ_> i dont think people arent driving because of gas prices
[00:08] <WotGorila> I noticed a big difference driving to Cape Cod every weekend
[00:08] <Publius> occocrat
[00:09] <occ_> come on, people going to cape cod generally have money
[00:09] <occ_> what, they're going "well, id go to my beach house, but man, those gas prices"
[00:09] <WotGorila> true, but the traffic on the Thruway and Turnpike was a LOT less
[00:09] <occ_> false perception ;)
[00:10] <WotGorila> even my 11 year old noticed
[00:10] <occ_> id blame the torrential rains, not gas prices
[00:10] <WotGorila> well, maybe for last weekend
[00:11] <WotGorila> If it went to $10 a gallon I wouldn't mind
[00:11] <occ_> hehe
[00:11] <WotGorila> $5-6 a gallon at the Marina and people line up
[00:11] <occ_> id probably stop driving if it was THAT much
[00:11] <occ_> but $3.30 (what i paid today)...ehh, i can swing it
[00:11] <occ_> and im poor!
[00:11] <Ryan89> is gas going to average over $4.00 a gallon by summer
[00:11] <occ_> doubtful
[00:11] <Ryan89> occ: im not poor im just cheap
[00:12] <Ryan89> and hate having to pay $50 to fill myt ank
[00:12] <Publius> occ: gas is goin down
[00:12] <Publius> no worried
[00:12] <Publius> s
[00:12] <occ_> then get rid of your suv
[00:12] * Publius drives a Nissan
[00:12] <occ_> :D
[00:12] <Ryan89> why do we have an army controlling the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world
[00:12] <occ_> dammit, i cant even direct my barbs properly
[00:12] <Publius> once again...our democraticization and continue alliance with Japan has hel
[00:12] <occ_> on this shitty web client
[00:12] <Publius> democraticization
[00:12] <occ_> its like the laggiest piece of shit ive ever seen
[00:12] <Publius> continued
[00:13] <occ_> bbs
[00:13] <Publius> british broadcast station(replacing pbs)
[00:15] <|bob> Ryan89: fyi oil doesn't bubble out of the ground by itself in iraq, it has to
[00:17] <|bob> Ryan89: also, the US hasn't claimed possession of Iraq's oil reserves
[00:17] <Ryan89> true
[00:17] <Ryan89> when are we claiming them?
[00:18] <|bob> who said we were going to
[00:18] <WotGorila> we don't need more oil
[00:18] <WotGorila> we need more plants to process it
[00:18] <WotGorila> and less state regulations
[00:18] <J_Walker> Iraq's oil was supposed to pay for the war
[00:19] <|bob> no, it was supposed to pay for the reconstruction
[00:20] <|bob> nobody ever said it would be used to pay for the war
[00:20] <J_Walker> Well it should..
[00:21] <|bob> it's not ours
[00:21] <J_Walker> Its the least the iraqis can do for the US for sacrificing so much to libe
[00:22] <J_Walker> The US ownz Iraq, bob
[00:22] <|bob> J_Walker: we are trying to be the good guys here, not not just take whatever w
[00:23] <WotGorila> It's all about making the world a fair place, that's why Gas prices and l
[00:24] <J_Walker> Still ..its time for those damn Iraqis to show a bit of gratitude and own
[00:25] <WotGorila> Who cares how much oild they give us, won't make prices go down
[00:25] <WotGorila> Who's going to process it all?
[00:25] <_Kai> *cough* more nuclear power *cough*
[00:26] <WotGorila> Oil Faries
[00:26] <J_Walker> The US should get some free oil from Iraq..that's what I m saying
[00:26] <WotGorila> Magical mystery oil fairies
[00:27] <J_Walker> The war is costing about a billion $/week
[00:27] <WotGorila> heh, look at Kuwaitt..
[00:27] <J_Walker> what about it ?
[00:28] <WotGorila> They don't us much of a deal either, and their citizens pay 12 cents a ga
[00:28] <WotGorila> don't GIVE* us
[00:30] <beeper1> the ironic thing is that we sell off a lot of our gas rather than use it do
[00:30] <WotGorila> how much of that gallon price is tax..tax to bring it into the country, t
[00:30] <|bob> J_Walker: things have been rather shitty in iraq lately. the iraqis have a lo
[00:30] <WotGorila> well, we make a betetr profit selling our gas to other countries at a hig
[00:31] <deaddog> insomnia is a b!tch
[00:31] <beeper1> the iraqis have no rights or no reasons
[00:31] <WotGorila> All the taxes and regulation in America willALWAYS make our fuel more exe
[00:31] <beeper1> they should be happy we're occupying and killing them, in the name of freed
[00:31] <beeper1> they're all terrorists
[00:31] <|bob> beeper1: what
[00:31] <|bob> shut up, idiot
[00:31] <beeper1> its satire, duh. we're in a right-wing channel
[00:32] <WotGorila> pretty sad America is taxed more than any country in the middle East
[00:32] <|bob> you suck, duh
[00:32] <beeper1> uh huh
[00:32] <deaddog> President's approval rating below 35%, economy almost crashed today, bad ti
[00:32] <J_Walker> It isn't the US' fault that these oil savages are bombing each other up
[00:33] <deaddog> doesn't look good for midterm elections
[00:33] <deaddog> and here's the kicker, there's nothing the Republicans can do to turn it ar
[00:33] <WotGorila> even if gas was as plentiful as water, it would still be expensive in the
[00:34] <J_Walker> I really don't understand WTF US troops are still in that misbegotten coun
[00:34] <kozmonaut> should just dig up the alberta tar sands!
[00:35] <deaddog> J_Walker: if we did that, it would destabilize the whole region. It would b
[00:35] <beeper1> today?
[00:35] <|bob> J_Walker: do you think we should repeat afghanistan 1989? accomplish our immed
[00:36] <beeper1> the economy is doomed
[00:36] <J_Walker> How many more years is the US going to stay in Iraq? How many trillions of
[00:36] <beeper1> we're running ourselves into the ground with the tax cuts
[00:36] <WotGorila> probably as long as we stayed in Germany
[00:36] <beeper1> or north korea
[00:36] <deaddog> J_Walker: as much as needed to create a jumping off point, what do you thin
[00:37] <kozmonaut> twin towers attack
[00:37] <deaddog> This is the precursor to a general middle east war
[00:37] <deaddog> Western Civilization vs. Islam is what it's going to boil down to
[00:37] <beeper1> why's that?
[00:38] <beeper1> the west is pitted against a number of civs
[00:39] <J_Walker> The decision to go to war against Iraq was based on faulty intelligence..B
[00:39] <beeper1> latin american, taoist.
[00:39] <beeper1> etc
[00:39] <deaddog> because Islam will NEVER stop attacking as long as they think we are a thre
[00:39] <beeper1> well maybe we shouldnt threaten them
[00:39] <kozmonaut> well israel is right in the centre of it
[00:39] <beeper1> yeah
[00:39] <kozmonaut> and all of the islam states dont even recognize its right to exist
[00:39] <beeper1> that and our bases everywhere in islam
[00:39] <kozmonaut> yeh
[00:39] <beeper1> *islamic world
[00:39] <deaddog> latin america is a joke and China is so far up the USA's azz that they will
[00:39] <beeper1> yeah
[00:39] <beeper1> like russia was stupid?
[00:40] <beeper1> you really think another cold war can't happen?
[00:40] <kozmonaut> china is always just doing its own thing
[00:40] <deaddog> beeper1: too bad they got all that oil, cause we need the oil, and we WILL
[00:40] <J_Walker> The West is superior to the muslim world in every way..A war between the t
[00:40] <beeper1> china bides its time, it's been around 4k years
[00:40] <kozmonaut> yeh
[00:40] <deaddog> beeper1: the cold war was fought by two nations who were scared shitless of
[00:40] <kozmonaut> no need to act hastey
[00:40] <kozmonaut> they were suepr nations tho
[00:40] <beeper1> see, part of the problem we have with the islamic world is idiots that go a
[00:40] <deaddog> We arent scared of China
[00:40] <deaddog> but they are scared of us
[00:40] <beeper1> dead: id be more scared of china than russia, they have 1 billion people, a
[00:40] <beeper1> lol
[00:41] <kozmonaut> its all repressed tho
[00:41] <deaddog> you know how many people a nuke can kill in an instant?
[00:41] <kozmonaut> once china breaks outta communism, its going to be good times
[00:41] <beeper1> dead: they have nukes too, wake the hell up
[00:41] <J_Walker> A billion people can be wiped off the planet by a couple hydrogen bombs
[00:41] <deaddog> beeper1: I'm not saying we would get our hair messed! but I am saying no mo
[00:42] <beeper1> lol
[00:42] <beeper1> yeah keep telling yourself that sparky
[00:42] <beeper1> glad you dont have control of the button
[00:43] <deaddog> tell me where I got that from
[00:43] <kozmonaut> the world needs to be unified, and all of these little factions everywher
[00:43] <J_Walker> Without communism, Chian would sink into the abyss of a major civil war
[00:43] <deaddog> J_Walker: exactly, communism is perfect for China
[00:43] <WotGorila> If I was to attack America...the really only way to do it is take control
[00:43] <beeper1> why is communism perfect for china? is communism perfect for india, because
[00:43] <deaddog> and dont forget about the agriculture
[00:43] <J_Walker> Daily Telegraph: Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former Conservative foreign secr
[00:43] <deaddog> lots of that in America
[00:44] <WotGorila> But Communism needs capitalism to survive, so I doubt you will see China
[00:44] <beeper1> china survived with communism before we gave them ties for 25 years
[00:44] <beeper1> you guys are really ignorant, i dont get it
[00:44] <deaddog> Na, the only sticking point is Taiwan, but they arent pushing that issue ri
[00:44] <kozmonaut> yeh china just got in the world trade g8 nationas recently, they need tha
[00:44] <deaddog> beeper1: It's a maxim we are following
[00:44] <beeper1> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/pukehump.gif
[00:45] <deaddog> ya cant make an omlet without breaking a few eggs
[00:45] <beeper1> here's a picture of two dogs humping, its probably better suited for this c
[00:45] <WotGorila> hell even ethiopia sruvives. any country can survive no matter how bad th
[00:46] <kozmonaut> beeper you have to listen to all sides, and not just be into your own min
[00:46] <deaddog> I put forth a position and all you can retort with is a pic of two dogs hum
[00:46] * _Meekrab is now known as OldSchool
[00:46] <kozmonaut> its smallminded
[00:46] <deaddog> and I'm the ignorant one, sheesh
[00:46] <jeev> retractable condom
[00:47] <deaddog> sucker, I wasnt even serious
[00:47] <deaddog> heh
[00:47] <deaddog> there you are
[00:47] * deaddog with foot in mouth
[00:47] <beeper1> yeah irc has been sucking latley
[00:49] <deaddog> beeper1: If I had control of the button, I would have used it 2001
[00:49] <|bob> well that's why I voted for Bush
[00:49] <beeper1> didn't you ever see the movie war games?
[00:49] <WotGorila> heh
[00:49] <deaddog> lets see how many terror attacks there are when they glow in the fucking da
[00:49] <deaddog> hell yeah
[00:49] <beeper1> if there's anything a defense department computer playing tic tac toe can t
[00:49] <deaddog> never!!!
[00:49] <deaddog> always gotta play
[00:50] <deaddog> military maxim: a weapon not used is a useless weapon
[00:51] <deaddog> neutron bomb and keep the infrastructure!
[00:52] <WotGorila> But America is a people of love
[00:52] <deaddog> fuck that, bomb them
[00:52] <deaddog> damn hippies
[00:52] <WotGorila> you sound worse than the terrorists
[00:52] <WotGorila> no wonder they want to get rid of you
[00:53] <kozmonaut> haha
[00:53] <deaddog> difference between me and the terrorist is I'm not after terror, I'm after
[00:53] <kozmonaut> i bet arab channels sound exactly like ours except different names!
[00:53] <deaddog> hehehe, yeah probobly
[00:53] <jeev> terrorists... ? international or domestic (government)
[00:53] * deaddog is now known as ShiekAlaG
[00:54] * ShiekAlaG is now known as deaddog
[00:54] <WotGorila> heh
[00:54] <WotGorila> probably
[00:54] * kozmonaut is now known as itolaKOZY
[00:55] <deaddog> I'm not being serious, but I do think that we should not pussyfoot around a
[00:55] <itolaKOZY> itola of rock n rolla sez damn teh west!
[00:55] <deaddog> If the US is gonna go Roman Empire, friggin go Roman Empire, dont beat arou
[00:55] <deaddog> Ha! heartbreak Ridge!
[00:55] * itolaKOZY is now known as kozmonaut
[00:55] <WotGorila> Europe runs America anyways
[00:56] <deaddog> yeah, they run America
[00:56] <kozmonaut> the illumenati!
[00:56] <deaddog> WotGorilla, you have to go into some detail there
[00:57] <deaddog> how is Europe running America exactly?
[00:57] * deaddog is listening to Cat Stevens to get a different perspective
[00:57] <WotGorila> http://www.freedomtofascism.com/
[00:58] <WotGorila> Great documentary, guy who created TRading Places with Eddie Murphy
[00:58] * kozmonaut listning to Ailf Tree- French cuisine (enough)
[00:58] <deaddog> Trading Places? I love that movie!
[01:00] <deaddog> bah, I'll just listen to some Misfits
[01:00] <kozmonaut> a lil glenn danzin
[01:00] <J_Walker> What s your top 5 list of best comedies
[01:01] <kozmonaut> wag the dog is good
[01:01] <kozmonaut> throw mama from the train was good!
[01:01] <J_Walker> Dumb & Dumber, Little Shop of Horrors, Ace Ventura 1, Kingpin, Naked Gun 1
[01:02] <kozmonaut> never liked any of those hehe
[01:02] <kozmonaut> i like smart comedy, not slapstick
[01:02] <J_Walker> All of them made me crap in my pants
[01:02] <J_Walker> Something about Mary wasn t that bad either
[01:02] <deaddog> J_Walker: must be hard getting dates then huh?
[01:03] <deaddog> I kid I kid!
[01:03] <J_Walker> deaddog : Give me your list
[01:03] <deaddog> alright
[01:04] <|bob> Mars Attacks
[01:04] <WotGorila> Spinal Tap, MP's Holy Grail, Groundhog Day
[01:04] <J_Walker> Trying to think of a good comedy to rent no matter how old it is
[01:04] <|bob> WotGorila: holy grail is so over
[01:04] <WotGorila> neat
[01:05] <J_Walker> There s nothing like a good comedy to get a chick in the mood
[01:05] <kozmonaut> oh
[01:05] <deaddog> Dr. Strangelove, 2001, Pi, Fail Safe, Independence Day, We Were Soldier, Sa
[01:05] <kozmonaut> caddy shack is good
[01:05] <beeper1> there's nothing like a good porn flick to get a chick in the mood
[01:05] <deaddog> those were hilarious!
[01:05] <J_Walker> deaddog : WTF? those aren t comedies
[01:05] <|bob> 2001 is a comedy
[01:05] <|bob> ?
[01:05] <kozmonaut> yeh space oddessy
[01:05] <|bob> its barely even a movie
[01:06] <kozmonaut> yeh haha
[01:06] <|bob> 2001: A Space Comedy
[01:06] <deaddog> did you listen to HAL-9000? He was a riot, and the way he fucked with Dave,
[01:06] <J_Walker> bob: So Mars Attacks was funny ?
[01:06] <beeper1> i never dated a girl and watched 2001
[01:06] <beeper1> lol
[01:06] <kozmonaut> not really
[01:06] <beeper1> i wish
[01:06] <|bob> J_Walker: it was hilarious
[01:06] <|bob> J_Walker: did you see Independence Day
[01:06] <J_Walker> Yeah Hal-9000 was a master of black humor
[01:06] <J_Walker> Yeah..shitty movie
[01:07] <beeper1> <HAL-9000> I think you're the one who is malfunctioning, bitch
[01:07] <|bob> J_Walker: then you should like Mars Attacks even more
[01:07] <J_Walker> Who's starring ?
[01:07] <deaddog> 'hey dave, go out and get your boy!' 'HAL, let me in man' 'um.....' Hal?' '
[01:07] <|bob> everyone
[01:07] <|bob> it's an all-star cast
[01:07] <deaddog> classic
[01:07] <beeper1> its a crappy movie
[01:07] <beeper1> mars attacks was barely worth the watch
[01:08] <J_Walker> deaddog : Yeah but that's sadistic humor
[01:08] <|bob> beeper1: did you see Independence Day?
[01:08] <J_Walker> Did you see who played the president ?
[01:08] <deaddog> 'Hey Dave, go look at that alien thingie over there....' SHOOMP ' 'oops!'
[01:08] <deaddog> the monolith was a glactic toilet
[01:09] <J_Walker> deaddog : You have a strange taste of humor, dude
[01:09] <|bob> beeper1: did you see Independence Day?
[01:09] <deaddog> next time the humans will invite the aliens to the BBQ
[01:09] <beeper1> yes i saw it the first day
[01:09] <J_Walker> beeper: What kind of porn do chicks like ?
[01:09] <|bob> beeper1: and you didn't get Mars Attacks? what's wrong with you?
[01:09] <beeper1> j: depends on the girl
[01:10] <beeper1> it's not that i didn't get it
[01:10] <beeper1> i just think mars attacks isn't any good, it tries to be funny and fails
[01:10] <kozmonaut> i agree
[01:10] <deaddog> Independence Day: we send voyager out to explore with an invitation to alie
[01:10] <kozmonaut> its to overproduced
[01:10] <WotGorila> What kind of Porn does women like????.... The Home Shopping Network!!!
[01:10] <J_Walker> beeper: Do you have any better suggestion ?
[01:10] <WotGorila> It gets them hot
[01:10] <beeper1> for what?
[01:10] <deaddog> your credit card burns up too
[01:11] <J_Walker> hot for spending your money
[01:11] <WotGorila> heh
[01:11] <deaddog> :)_
[01:11] <beeper1> ?
[01:11] <deaddog> they spend your money
[01:11] <deaddog> you know, money, currency, you give it to a person and that person lets you
[01:12] <J_Walker> McCartney's bimbo wants out...The fool didn t even make her sign a prenup
[01:12] <beeper1> we dont know that he didnt
[01:12] <deaddog> so Paul will be left with only a billion
[01:12] <deaddog> sucks to be hime
[01:12] <deaddog> him
[01:12] <beeper1> i feel bad for him
[01:12] <J_Walker> Yeah I saw it on CNN..4 years ago, he told the media that they were so muc
[01:13] <beeper1> he tried to get over his wife's death too soon
[01:13] <J_Walker> His ex is going to be a billionaire now
[01:13] <deaddog> good for her
[01:13] <|bob> so what's up with that Beatles lawsuit against Apple
[01:13] <deaddog> he should have had the good taste to be murdered like Lennon
[01:14] <deaddog> John
[01:14] <J_Walker> Yeah I agree
[01:14] <deaddog> bob: in a word: ITunes
[01:15] <deaddog> and yes, I have a sadistic and sick sense of humor
[01:15] <|bob> I don't get it
[01:15] <WotGorila> The Beatles own all pictures of Apples
[01:15] <WotGorila> heh
[01:16] <WotGorila> that have to do with music
[01:16] <deaddog> I-Tunes: Beatles want more money for thier stuff and Apple is all like, hey
[01:16] <Publius> sooo how bout Iran's football team? ya think they will put up more of a fig
[01:16] <Publius> soccer*
[01:17] <|bob> deaddog: I know what the lawsuit is about, I was asking what's up with it
[01:17] <deaddog> I'm full of excrement man
[01:17] <deaddog> I have no idea
[01:18] <deaddog> Pub: football is played with by men, soccer is played by kids and alternati
[01:18] <deaddog> football and rugby, manly sport
[01:18] <Publius> well...I love football..played soccer for years
[01:18] <deaddog> I seriously hate soccer
[01:18] <Publius> but in order to be fair to the rest of the world
[01:18] <deaddog> hate it
[01:18] <J_Walker> I can t stand soccer
[01:19] <ke6i> The USA should make the rest of the world change the name to soccer. And rese
[01:19] <deaddog> I would riot too if I had to deal with an hour and a half of that crap
[01:19] <kozmonaut> worldcup :)
[01:19] <P_O> ke6i, considering the US' standing in soccer is kinda like a midget in the long
[01:19] <deaddog> straight molotov cocktail
[01:19] <Publius> ke6i: there is this ESPN commecial where one of the anchors is talking to R
[01:19] <Publius> and he tells him to suggest that to the rest of the world
[01:19] <Publius> lol
[01:20] <deaddog> good idea
[01:20] <J_Walker> Publius: who s the favorite to win the world cup this year ?
[01:20] <Publius> no fuggin idea
[01:20] <Publius> prolly brazil
[01:20] <Publius> or somethin
[01:21] <J_Walker> Publius : Daily Telegraph: Sir Malcolm Rifkind, the former Conservative fo
[01:21] <ke6i> They should have NFL-style football in the summer Olympics.
[01:21] <deaddog> there are some big guys all over the world, they should get some steroids a
[01:21] <deaddog> Germans would be kickass, so would the Russians
[01:21] <Publius> ke6i: no way
[01:21] <J_Walker> deaddog So Saving Private Ryan actually made you laugh ??
[01:21] <deaddog> Chinese would be comic
[01:21] <Publius> the olympics are more rule obsessed than the UN
[01:22] <deaddog> J_Walker: oh hell yeah, dude when they told the wrong Ryan that is brothers
[01:22] <deaddog> that was classic
[01:22] <J_Walker> oh man..
[01:22] <ke6i> They have hockey and basketball. Why not football? I don't see any reason why
[01:22] <J_Walker> deaddog you re single aren t you ?
[01:22] <deaddog> not at the moment
[01:23] <deaddog> ask again next week
[01:23] <Publius> ke6i: I suppose the rest of the world would rather not get pushed around by
[01:23] <Publius> ;)
[01:23] <deaddog> basketball, I just cant get into it
[01:23] <J_Walker> deaddog: Did your shrink ever tell you that you have the profile of a seri
[01:23] <deaddog> not a bad sport just not interesting
[01:24] <ke6i> I just kind of was bored by Saving Private Ryan -- somewhere towards the end.
[01:24] <deaddog> J_Walker: my therapist said I'm like Stewie and Hitler without the hating o
[01:24] <J_Walker> oh man..what s your gf like ?
[01:25] <deaddog> ke6i: that was funny too, take the greenest, clumsiest idiot you can behind
[01:25] <deaddog> J_Walker: preppy
[01:25] <bud`> well he was a journalist
[01:25] <bud`> had to be dragged into that mission
[01:25] <J_Walker> He grew balls by the end of the movie though
[01:25] <deaddog> I know, thats what made it classic
[01:26] <deaddog> oh now you grow nutz, after it's over
[01:26] <J_Walker> So you laughed throughout the movie ??
[01:26] <deaddog> some parts were not funny, the first part was harsh,
[01:26] <deaddog> with the old man and all, I felt some sympathy there
[01:27] <deaddog> a little
[01:27] <deaddog> the beach scene pissed me off
[01:27] <deaddog> made me wanna go invade Germany again
[01:27] <J_Walker> You mean by the end of the movie..when you knew about the hell he went thr
[01:27] <deaddog> but the rest of it, yeah
[01:27] <Publius> deaddog: LOL
[01:28] <deaddog> playing cards with dogtags was just sick, they laughed
[01:28] <Publius> deaddog: did you see the new peace alliance Merkel made with Israel? freaki
[01:28] <deaddog> I got the humor
[01:28] <deaddog> I'm tellin ya, I thought they invited him to make it easy to blow him away
[01:29] <Publius> ooh ooh
[01:29] <vgrep> Pickle: where exactly is John Murtha wrong in his accusation?
[01:29] <deaddog> vgrep: no direct evidence
[01:29] <Publius> deaddog: why does the joint command military thing in europe speak english
[01:29] <vgrep> Pickle: you don't have to go all the way to iraq to discover the truth
[01:29] <J_Walker> And your shrink doesn t not believe that you pose a threat to society ? Di
[01:30] <vgrep> look at the way the military is trained
[01:30] * Publius grins
[01:30] <vgrep> they are literally trained to butcher
[01:30] <deaddog> theres this little codicile in the US Constitution that states inncocent un
[01:30] <Publius> cause the brits, canadians, aussians, and americans made it so France didn'
[01:30] <vgrep> that's true
[01:30] <Publius> aussies
[01:30] <Publius> http://bash.org/?310023
[01:30] <deaddog> thats why France is so funny
[01:30] <ke6i> yeah, and they make you eat snails and frogs.
[01:30] <deaddog> Majinogh line, bwahahahaha!
[01:32] <deaddog> Murtha was WAY outta line declaring them guilty like that
[01:32] <ke6i> Oh well. France isn't the only country to lose a war, trying to fight the las
[01:32] <vgrep> iraqbodycount.org
[01:32] <vgrep> it's a huge number
[01:32] <deaddog> We lost Vietnam, but at least we dont bitch about it
[01:32] <J_Walker> not big enough
[01:32] <vgrep> J_Walker: for what, for you to care?
[01:32] <J_Walker> yep
[01:32] <deaddog> yep
[01:32] <Publius> J_Walker: LOL
[01:32] <Publius> deadog: LOL
[01:32] <deaddog> J_Walker: I got ya bro
[01:32] <Publius> stalwart conservatism in action.
[01:32] <Publius> I like it
[01:32] <deaddog> Oh no! people died in a war!
[01:33] <deaddog> Imagine that....
[01:33] <deaddog> You have a war, people die, Oh My God!
[01:33] <J_Walker> deaddog and I are kindred spirits
[01:33] <deaddog> heh
[01:34] <vgrep> hah
[01:34] <vgrep> saying such words
[01:34] <vgrep> while farting on your chair
[01:34] <deaddog> I am a spirit, being dead and all
[01:34] <deaddog> vgrep, I lift my cheek a little first
[01:34] <Publius> omg who da fuck cares about the hundreds of thousands of innnocent civilian
[01:34] <deaddog> not me
[01:34] * Publius does
[01:34] <Publius> lol
[01:35] <ke6i> Like we could have stopped the Iran Iraq war though.
[01:35] * J_Walker farts edema fluids down vgrep's throat
[01:35] <deaddog> ke6i: like we even wanted to
[01:35] * deaddog helps
[01:35] <ke6i> yeah. People were ambivalent about the Iran Iraq war -- and let those guys di
[01:35] <Publius> GOOD LAWD
[01:35] <J_Walker> most of them were killed by other moslems
[01:36] <Publius> Johan: you are a conservative warrior if I have ever seen one
[01:36] * J_Walker high fives Pubis
[01:36] <Publius> hell, you would offend Dick Nixon
[01:36] <deaddog> iraqbodycount.org = how many less mouths we have to feeds
[01:36] <J_Walker> HAHAHAHAHAH
[01:36] <J_Walker> vgrep what are you going to do about
[01:37] <J_Walker> it
[01:37] <deaddog> yeah
[01:37] * deaddog pushes vgrep around
[01:37] <J_Walker> tell us
[01:37] <Publius> ke6i: I wonder what the white house was like the day Hussein gased that reg
[01:37] <Publius> "WTF HELL DID HE DO?"
[01:38] <deaddog> probobly 'Hey Cool!' so thats what gas does!
[01:38] <deaddog> encore!
[01:39] <deaddog> yeah, thats what it was like
[01:39] <Publius> well
[01:39] <deaddog> they were probobly saying, give em some more of that!
[01:39] <Publius> im sure someone had to physically hold Reagan back from calling up Hussein
[01:39] <deaddog> LOL
[01:39] <deaddog> that would have been SO cool
[01:39] <ins_mnia-> ..hey kids
[01:39] <Publius> "that DOES IT, FUCK THEM BOTH
[01:39] <Publius> "
[01:40] <deaddog> hell yeah
[01:40] <deaddog> blow em the fuck away
[01:40] <Publius> thankfully he did not...because the terrorism that would have spawned from
[01:40] <Publius> would make al-qaeda look like Belarus does to the USSR
[01:40] <deaddog> Pub: we would have needed to take out the shitholes too
[01:40] <deaddog> hell we could have gotten the Soviets to help
[01:41] <Publius> as morally satisfying blasting Saddam Insane off the planet would have been
[01:41] <Publius> it simply would have resulted in a less stable region in the future
[01:41] <deaddog> be all like, hey comrade, lets fuck em up a little
[01:41] <Publius> and besides
[01:41] <deaddog> they would have said 'Da, my Imperialist Friend'
[01:41] <deaddog> and it would have been on
[01:41] <ins_mnia-> ..on like donkey kong
[01:42] <Publius> who knew that the Iranian hostage crisis would grow into the Islamic Revolu
[01:42] <deaddog> hell yeh
[01:42] <Publius> REGION*
[01:42] <Publius> Jimmay Carteh sure didn't
[01:43] * ins_mnia- is now known as insomnia-
[01:43] <Publius> a graet man with noble ideals
[01:43] <ke6i> Carter pushed Shah on human rights. I think it was treatment of prisoners or
[01:43] <Publius> but a terrible president
[01:43] <deaddog> Carter sucked
[01:43] * Publius is a Georgia boy...don't mess
[01:43] <deaddog> I'm in Georgia too
[01:44] <Publius> oh shit
[01:44] <Publius> where at?
[01:44] <insomnia-> carter was way cooler after his presidency than during
[01:44] <deaddog> Woodstock
[01:44] <Publius> gwinnett county here..snellville
[01:44] <ke6i> Cater pushed on US allies to have better human rights -- but that made the Sha
[01:44] <deaddog> hehe
[01:44] <deaddog> I work south of you
[01:44] <Publius> "everybody is somebody in snellville" ;)
[01:44] <Publius> in ATL?
[01:44] <deaddog> Buckhead
[01:45] <Publius> ahahaha
[01:45] <deaddog> I gotta listen to Blitzkrieg Bop, always makes me feel all fuzzy inside
[01:46] <Publius> Buckhead; "where the dixiecrats and sports superbrats ignore the poverty an
[01:46] <deaddog> yep! thats the place!
[01:46] <deaddog> we have to have someone to look down on
[01:46] * deaddog turns up his nose
[01:46] * Publius curses the GA democrats
[01:47] <Publius> from the past
[01:47] <deaddog> I work at Swingers
[01:47] <Publius> they are pretty decent today
[01:47] <Publius> ah...bar?
[01:47] <deaddog> come by and ask for Sid
[01:47] <Publius> club
[01:47] <Publius> is it 21 plus?
[01:47] <deaddog> yeah
[01:47] <Publius> ;(
[01:47] <deaddog> how old are you?
[01:47] * Publius is 19
[01:47] <deaddog> fuck
[01:47] <deaddog> dont come by
[01:47] <Publius> i'll be 20 in july
[01:47] <deaddog> wait two years
[01:48] <Publius> so next summer
[01:48] <deaddog> ok 14 months
[01:48] <Publius> you been payin attention to the local elections this year
[01:48] <Publius> state elections
[01:48] <Publius> ?
[01:48] <deaddog> Oh yes
[01:48] <deaddog> we have GOT to get rid of Sonny
[01:48] <Publius> BOOOOOOOOO
[01:49] * Publius hearts Sonny
[01:49] <deaddog> dude, he's an idiot!
[01:49] <Publius> um is not
[01:49] <deaddog> puts more money in the places that wont return it!
[01:49] <insomnia-> ..i sense a chick fight coming
[01:49] <Publius> he kind of engineered the plan that brought a republican majority to the ex
[01:49] <Publius> FOR THE FIRST TIME IN !#* YEARS
[01:49] <deaddog> theres a reason the lions share goes to metro Atlanta
[01:49] <Publius> 138
[01:50] <deaddog> because thats the tax base!
[01:50] <Publius> cadswallup
[01:50] <deaddog> I miss Zell Miller
[01:50] <Publius> Zell Miller is behind the Sonny campaign!
[01:50] <Publius> he endorses him this year!
[01:50] <deaddog> I know, you know Taylor and Zell used to be best friends
[01:51] <Publius> and God bless Zell, we all miss him
[01:51] <deaddog> Fatass Taylor
[01:51] <Publius> Mark "lt. dan" Taylor
[01:51] <Publius> the dems gotta have something up their sleeve
[01:51] <Publius> if they are giving up his lt. gov spot
[01:51] <kozmonaut> you may call me sir kozmonaut of the motherland
[01:51] <deaddog> that guy needs to lay off the gravy coated biscuts, he looks like fat basta
[01:52] <deaddog> Hail Comrade!
[01:52] <Publius> For the RODINA
[01:52] <Publius> !!!
[01:52] <kozmonaut> greeetings!
[01:52] <deaddog> SO whats up with the most worthy enemy the USA ever had
[01:52] <insomnia-> motherland=compton
[01:52] <kozmonaut> comrade deaddog!
[01:52] <Publius> kozmonaut: *looks around* how is the god blessed home country?
[01:52] <deaddog> the only worthy enemy the USA ever had
[01:53] <deaddog> love you russkies
[01:53] <Publius> insomnia: uhg like...omg *cheer off*
[01:53] <kozmonaut> the motherland bodes for a bright future in its siberia resource centre
[01:53] <insomnia-> lol pub
[01:53] <deaddog> hell yeah, America will invest
[01:53] * Publius agreeds with mortiscanis
[01:53] <occ_> yo
[01:53] <Publius> the Russkies were our first real enemy
[01:54] <deaddog> make you big and strong, maybe help you get them provinces back
[01:54] <insomnia-> yea, the brits were our best friends
[01:54] <kozmonaut> your greatest enemy is yourselves
[01:54] <Publius> insomnia: shhhhhhh
[01:54] <deaddog> Pub: the English were our first real enemies
[01:54] <insomnia-> lol pub
[01:54] <occ_> the worst enemy the usa ever had was the south
[01:54] <insomnia-> ......as i said deaddog
[01:54] <occ_> and dont fucking think we forgot it!
[01:54] <Publius> deaddog: it was those hoity toity bastids in parliament
[01:54] <deaddog> occ_ hey!
[01:54] <Publius> King George(god bless his soul) respected the revolution and our brave fore
[01:54] <deaddog> Pub: yeah, but we kicked them on back to the land of manners and tea
[01:55] <Publius> well of course
[01:55] <occ_> hehe
[01:55] * insomnia- grumbles "bloody tea"
[01:55] <deaddog> yes
[01:55] <kozmonaut> without comrade karl marx the usa would be nothing! HAIL!
[01:55] <Publius> but George Washington and the King of England were chaps
[01:55] <Publius> fellows
[01:55] <Publius> per se
[01:55] <occ_> i do love that we drink coffee because tea became "unfashionable" some 200 yea
[01:55] <deaddog> gimme COFFEE!
[01:55] <insomnia-> i hate tea, it's disgusting
[01:55] <occ_> since i prefer coffee anyway
[01:55] <kozmonaut> chai tea is good :) :)
[01:55] <Publius> kozmonaut: Hail to the noble people who first entered space!
[01:55] <deaddog> coffee, with a shot of bourbon
[01:55] <insomnia-> lol
[01:56] * deaddog is from the South
[01:56] <P_O> Tea > Coffee.
[01:56] <P_O> Majorly.
[01:56] <P_O> ;x
[01:56] <deaddog> we drink alot of bourbon down here
[01:56] * Publius is technically a carpet bagger tho he moved to GA when he was 4
[01:56] <insomnia-> coffee...with chocolate and caramel and whipped cream blended....
[01:56] <occ_> its a completely different beverage, PO
[01:56] <deaddog> insomnia: and bourbon?
[01:56] <occ_> whats your bourbon, deaddog?
[01:56] <insomnia-> i've never had bourbon, i've always wanted to...it smells delicious
[01:56] <P_O> occ_, I know, but I still prefer tea over it.
[01:56] <Publius> insomniholic
[01:56] <kozmonaut> A little known fact when the space program first went up, they droped a U
[01:56] <insomnia-> lol pub
[01:56] <insomnia-> you guys always bring it up@
[01:56] <insomnia-> !
[01:56] <deaddog> Makers Mark unless I'm low on funds, the Henry McKenna
[01:57] <occ_> yah, and publius has a star named after him
[01:57] <Publius> kozmonaut: well, fortunately, we beat you slow giants to the moon
[01:57] <occ_> i dig maker's, good stuff
[01:57] <Publius> thats what happens when your average height is 6'10!
[01:57] <deaddog> kozmonaut: yeah, moon is all USA baby!
[01:57] <insomnia-> pub, can you prove that?
[01:57] <Publius> or 3.6 meters!
[01:57] <deaddog> Mars next
[01:57] <kozmonaut> pub: you can be happy with a piece of solar driftwood
[01:57] <Publius> 2.6
[01:57] <Publius> BWAHAHA
[01:57] <Publius> touch comrade!
[01:57] <deaddog> we will own the Solar System then you'll all be sorry
[01:57] <Publius> touche*
[01:57] <occ_> had some jim beam today -- its always there for you
[01:57] <Publius> insomnia: actually
[01:57] <Publius> insomnia: that was an assignment in my astronomy class
[01:58] <insomnia-> yes?
[01:58] <Publius> this year
[01:58] <deaddog> Jim is my friend too
[01:58] <insomnia-> to prove that we went to the moon?
[01:58] * Publius nods
[01:58] <deaddog> Jim and Henry and Evan Williams
[01:58] <insomnia-> and did you?
[01:58] <Publius> naturally
[01:58] <insomnia-> lol
[01:58] <Publius> what ya need is simple
[01:58] <deaddog> of course we did, we have pictures
[01:58] <Publius> some shawdys who lived back in the day
[01:58] <Publius> a telescope
[01:58] <insomnia-> there are some ufo nerds that would disagree!
[01:58] <Publius> and the internet
[01:59] <occ_> who cares what nerds think
[01:59] <insomnia-> everything on the internet is true!
[01:59] <deaddog> kozmonaut, come to the moon with the USA dude
[01:59] <Publius> insomnia: those nerds tend to think the j00s run the world and Bush cast Ka
[01:59] <insomnia-> lol
[01:59] <deaddog> you guys are rocking with the Soyuz missions
[01:59] <occ_> hehe
[01:59] <occ_> the term is ZOG, publius
[01:59] <occ_> ZIONIST OCCUPATION GOVERNMENT!
[01:59] <Publius> insomnia: and fie! the internet is an information goldmine
[01:59] <occ_> cuz, you know, the jews, man
[01:59] <P_O> I believe in UFOs
[01:59] <occ_> the jews!
[01:59] <Publius> occ: too the Bavarian Garden!
[01:59] <deaddog> Jews do not run the world, just the media
[01:59] <Publius> to
[02:00] <P_O> cause as long as there's something in the sky that I can't identify, it's an UN
[02:00] <P_O> :P
[02:00] <occ_> i believe in extraterrestrial life
[02:00] <insomnia-> pub, if you're intelligent to sift through the mounds of b
[02:00] <deaddog> PO: lol
[02:00] <insomnia-> bs*
[02:00] <occ_> i don't believe extraterrestrial life has ever visited earth
[02:00] <deaddog> UFO's are real, the Air Force doesnt exist
[02:00] <Publius> like...'member...i am the most elitist bestist intellectual evah
[02:00] <insomnia-> lol....your grammar/spelling proves it
[02:00] <deaddog> heh
[02:01] <Publius> Grammar is a necessary evil..like government
[02:01] <deaddog> I got a CCCP shit koz
[02:01] <occ_> im sure UFOS are real
[02:01] <occ_> since that kinda just means, well, unidentifi--you know.
[02:01] <Publius> unidentified fundamentalist ottomans
[02:01] <insomnia-> ottomans...as in...the thing i put my feet on?
[02:01] <deaddog> underprivledged french offal
[02:01] <insomnia-> im sure i can identify that lol
[02:01] <occ_> rob petrie trips over the ottoman
[02:02] <Publius> insomnia: yes, the same thing as turkish/arab peopel
[02:02] <Publius> ;)
[02:02] <insomnia-> lol i know
[02:02] * Publius yawns and rests his knees on the crown prince of arabia
[02:02] <Publius> GOOOD BOY
[02:02] * Publius drinks gas
[02:02] <occ_> publius is clearly flipping out
[02:02] <deaddog> ugly female ogres
[02:02] * occ_ restrains publius for his own good
[02:02] <insomnia-> orges? lol
[02:02] <XacatecaS> Publius: a lot of people would be angry when you call the ottoman people
[02:03] <deaddog> they come to the bar and dance
[02:03] <deaddog> on the bar
[02:03] <XacatecaS> Publius: since turks have so much love for the arabs
[02:03] <deaddog> it's terrible
[02:03] <Publius> occ: put a sock in it
[02:03] <occ_> wow, arabs getting angry?
[02:03] <occ_> thats so not like them!
[02:03] * insomnia- helps occ
[02:03] <Publius> good old abdul aziz can take it
[02:03] <deaddog> pub: pass the gas man!
[02:03] <P_O> occ_, I'm offended that you said that.
[02:03] <Publius> sunburned bastard
[02:03] <XacatecaS> occ_: not arabs, turks
[02:03] <Publius> Xac: I'm just being a jackass
[02:03] <Publius> lol
[02:03] <Publius> if you haven't noticed already
[02:04] <Publius> a friendly one
[02:04] <Publius> not a troll or anythign
[02:04] <deaddog> not at all
[02:04] <deaddog> noone trolling here....
[02:04] <insomnia-> pub= troll leader
[02:04] <Publius> alright SID
[02:04] <Publius> YOU WANNA RUMBLE
[02:04] <Publius> ok ok
[02:04] <Publius> I'm done
[02:04] <Publius> geez
[02:04] * deaddog puts his dukes up
[02:04] <occ_> look, if they worship the kaaba, and participate in the haaj, and see the secr
[02:04] <deaddog> put em up put em up
[02:04] <Publius> Allah Miller!
[02:04] * Publius xena yells and attacks deaddog
[02:04] * deaddog hides
[02:04] <XacatecaS> Publius: i'm trying to actually work, as well as keeping an eye on this c
[02:05] <XacatecaS> Publius: so no, i hadn't noticed
[02:05] <XacatecaS> :)
[02:05] <deaddog> Pub is cruel to animals
[02:05] <occ_> im glad xuexacotal is looking out for us
[02:05] <ke6i> I'm waiting for stupid revision control system to finish meditating.
[02:05] * Publius yawns and puts on his elitist cap
[02:05] <Publius> Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz al-Saud, also the first deputy prime min
[02:05] <deaddog> gotta go, the ball and chain just woke up
[02:05] <Publius> and a noble example of the good intentions of the royal family of SA
[02:06] <insomnia-> night dd
[02:06] <deaddog> and read what I typed just now
[02:06] <occ_> hehe
[02:06] <occ_> god bless people born into royalty
[02:06] <Publius> deaddog: sleep well ya dirty mutt
[02:06] <deaddog> and is beating me about the head and shoulders
[02:06] <occ_> after all, they earned it
[02:06] <deaddog> ouch
[02:06] <insomnia-> boohoo
[02:06] <Publius> man
[02:06] <Publius> I was kind of offended
[02:06] <Publius> I'm sorry
[02:06] <Publius> jeez
[02:06] <Publius> ;(
[02:06] <Publius> I offended myself!
[02:06] <deaddog> alright later all youz guys
[02:06] <Publius> o_O
[02:07] <occ_> cua
[02:07] <occ_> this client is terrible, im so lagged
[02:07] <Publius> Abdul Aziz is just a cool name
[02:07] <occ_> idnt he write the necronomicon?
[02:07] <Publius> no idea
[02:08] <insomnia-> great reason for him to be a leader...put that on the ballat..no wait it'
[02:08] <Publius> ballot
[02:08] <Publius> ahem
[02:08] <insomnia-> stfu!
[02:08] <XacatecaS> occ_: nice :)
[02:08] * insomnia- is the worst speller ever
[02:08] <ke6i> atimes.com had an interesting article on how Burma is playing the Chinese and
[02:09] <occ_> you're tired and weak, publius
[02:09] <occ_> dont you mean "myanmar"?
[02:09] <Publius> occ: wtf was that for
[02:09] <ke6i> Yeah Myanmar
[02:09] <occ_> aww, it was a joke, publius
[02:10] * Publius crying now
[02:10] <occ_> I HATE YOU PUBLIUS
[02:10] <occ_> GO AWAY!
[02:10] <occ_> hehe
[02:10] * Publius runs away and trips over his untied shoelaces
[02:10] <Publius> hahahaha
[02:10] <vicious__> hi
[02:10] <insomnia-> silly boy, that's why you get velcro!
[02:10] <occ_> i just watched "american me"
[02:11] <insomnia-> ahoy ahoy matey!
[02:11] <Publius> MyannotpartofIndochinanowaymar?
[02:11] <occ_> hehe
[02:11] <occ_> also, you have to say mumbai instead of bombay, now
[02:12] <occ_> some indian made me say that
[02:12] <Publius> when asked about the current political situation in Indochina, France repli
[02:12] <occ_> comme ci comme sa
[02:13] <Publius> Algiers is the french word for "bless you" after you sneaze
[02:13] <Publius> ;)
[02:13] <occ_> hehe
[02:14] <occ_> one of my teachers was from algiers
[02:14] <occ_> total weirdo
[02:14] <Publius> I sympathize with France...but man it pisses me off when they call America
[02:14] <ke6i> Hmm there's apicture of Chomsky hanging out with Nasrallah -- Mr. Hezbollah.
[02:14] <occ_> i wanted to ask him if he ever planted a bomb, but i dont think hed get the jo
[02:14] <Publius> occ: ye are a wicked fellow
[02:15] <occ_> am i that bad?
[02:15] <ke6i> If we're so immoral, where are all the orgies and decadence. Everyone I know
[02:15] <occ_> hehe
[02:15] <occ_> thats the US dichotomy
[02:15] <Publius> occ: *nods* ye can be
[02:15] <occ_> the euros say we're prudes, the muslims say we're decadent
[02:16] <ke6i> yeah. It occurs to me, that there were probably Romans who weren't in on the
[02:16] <occ_> i dont "get" the romans
[02:16] <occ_> i wish we could experience it
[02:17] <Publius> Pax Americana
[02:17] <Publius> !
[02:18] <ke6i> yeah some actual decadence. Rather than just people complaining all the time.
[02:19] <occ_> i think whats cool about the US is that it allows the *possibility* of decaden
[02:19] <ke6i> I think decadence is more practical if you have a slave economy. Like then yo
[02:19] <occ_> you dont HAVE to participate, you know?
[02:19] <Publius> One does not oppose the PARTY
[02:20] <occ_> ve got a slave who mows my lawn
[02:20] <occ_> except i pay him $20 every time he does it
[02:20] <occ_> thats still a slave, right?
[02:20] * occ_ looks hopeful
[02:20] <WotGorila> slaves cost too much to own
[02:20] <`STINGRAY> occ heya
[02:20] <ke6i> well if we amp up the illegal immigration to massive levels, you might get tha
[02:20] <`STINGRAY> wott hey
[02:20] <occ_> ive also got a slave who fixes my car
[02:20] <WotGorila> :)
[02:20] <WotGorila> aloha
[02:20] <occ_> but i have to give that bastard $75 per hour
[02:21] <occ_> sup sting
[02:21] <Publius> crappy slave
[02:21] <`STINGRAY> occ jut got up
[02:21] <`STINGRAY> pub hrey
[02:21] <Publius> mornin
[02:21] <WotGorila> yeah, my public servants even make more than me
[02:21] <WotGorila> ;)
[02:21] <occ_> realistically, if slavery existed, i couldnt see owning a slave
[02:22] <occ_> its like people who are rich and have "servants" -- its just gauche, you know?
[02:22] <WotGorila> you have to feed, clothe and house a slave
[02:22] <ke6i> We could make the Muslims slaves. Capture them from Iraq and put like electro
[02:22] <occ_> yah, i guess we could do that
[02:22] <occ_> but then, we could also do a lot of other things
[02:22] <WotGorila> how much does it cost to house a person in jail?
[02:23] <WotGorila> gotta be more than what a slave would cost
[02:23] <occ_> according to conservatives, $100 MILLION A YEAR
[02:23] <ke6i> Big bucks for jail.
[02:23] <occ_> realistically, 25-40k
[02:23] <occ_> but this is all very dubious
[02:24] <occ_> i mean, we're figuring in the cost of hiring guards, blah blah blah
[02:24] <`STINGRAY> i think illegals should pay us to work here
[02:24] <ke6i> Yeah, it'll take a proper collapse of civilization before slavery really comes
[02:24] <`STINGRAY> heheh occ Uall renta slave
[02:24] <occ_> you guys ever met prison guards, on that note?
[02:24] <insomnia-> lol..proper collapse..like if martha stewart supervised it
[02:25] <occ_> if i wanted to determine who the sociopaths were in my society, id run a want
[02:25] <WotGorila> it will look wonderful
[02:25] <ke6i> well, not one of these weany collapses, like the depression. An out and out t
[02:26] <WotGorila> And we can battle in the Thunderdome
[02:26] <WotGorila> ;)
[02:26] <ke6i> Yeah.
[02:26] <occ_> ..Beyond Thunderdome!
[02:26] <ke6i> We don't need another hero.
[02:26] <occ_> hehe
[02:26] <Publius> well the only real proponents for a total collapse of civilization are terr
[02:27] <occ_> publius is a member of a violence gang
[02:27] <ke6i> Yeah, but just given enough time -- like 1000s of years. Lot of stuff can hap
[02:27] <insomnia-> pub is a nazi punk from st. paul
[02:27] <occ_> yo fuck st. paul
[02:27] <occ_> minneapolis FO LIFE
[02:27] * Publius just wants peace and happiness for everyone ;(
[02:28] <insomnia-> lol occ
[02:28] <insomnia-> pub by everyone do you mean white people :P
[02:28] <insomnia-> aryan white people
[02:28] <`STINGRAY> insomnia i see syf is gone
[02:28] <ke6i> I don't know if civilization across the entire planet could collapse. Maybe t
[02:28] <`STINGRAY> hehehe
[02:28] <Publius> no, I mean my brothers in the great jihad to purge the world of evil wester
[02:28] <insomnia-> lol sting
[02:29] <`STINGRAY> insomnia you cat sleep either?
[02:29] <ke6i> Collapse of civilization -- I think it's just like the entire planet is Somali
[02:29] <insomnia-> i never sleep
[02:29] <`STINGRAY> same here
[02:29] <insomnia-> ...well..ok i do, but only 4 out of a week
[02:29] <insomnia-> 4 days*
[02:29] <ke6i> Maybe going to be a small bump, when really we go beyond the oil economy to 's
[02:29] <Publius> aryans are sunburnt crackas
[02:30] <ke6i> aryans -- isn't that a discredited theory?
[02:30] <occ_> lets face it -- we all sleep
[02:30] <occ_> its time to come to terms with this, people
[02:30] <insomnia-> i sleep, just not often..and during the day
[02:30] <Publius> ke6i: aryans are another name for persians...aryan= iran
[02:30] <`STINGRAY> insomnia well from my head wounds sometimes i am up over 50 hrs. till i t
[02:31] <insomnia-> lol
[02:31] <insomnia-> that sucks, i just dont sleep...i crack myself out on coffee
[02:31] <ke6i> Maybe more likely we'll just have the 'Century of Asia' -- where China dominat
[02:31] <`STINGRAY> insomnia hehehe
[02:32] <`STINGRAY> he insomnia where ya from
[02:32] <Publius> China don't care enough to dominate the world
[02:32] <insomnia-> it's what im doing today
[02:32] <ke6i> head wounds? That sounds bad.
[02:32] <`STINGRAY> ke61 nah just grenade
[02:32] <ke6i> bummer
[02:32] * Publius threw it
[02:32] <`STINGRAY> lol
[02:32] <`STINGRAY> yep
[02:32] <`STINGRAY> pub throews like a girl
[02:32] <Publius> i still hit yer fat ass!
[02:32] <Publius> ;p
[02:32] * insomnia- takes offense
[02:32] * Publius does not throw like a girl!!!
[02:33] <`STINGRAY> hahaha
[02:33] <`STINGRAY> pub throws like a he she
[02:33] <`STINGRAY> lol
[02:33] <ke6i> Well, it's a relief, we don't have to fuss about China then. For awhile I was
[02:33] * insomnia- pouts..what's wrong with my throwing
[02:33] <`STINGRAY> lol
[02:33] <insomnia-> ..well actually i cant throw for shit :P
[02:34] <insomnia-> lol ke6i, if pub says it, it must be true
[02:34] <Publius> sting is right..i throw like a female
[02:34] <Publius> therefore...I did not hit him
[02:34] <Publius> it was some bastid in m00nich
[02:34] <Publius> ;(
[02:35] * Publius tapis his foot
[02:36] <insomnia-> ....?
[02:36] <`STINGRAY> pub lol
[02:37] <`STINGRAY> pub wife called me from boston asked if i missed her I said ya. please co
[02:37] <Publius> HAHAHA
[02:37] <`STINGRAY> lol
[02:38] <Publius> man
[02:38] <ke6i> Heh, too much work -- to put the dish into the dishwasher.
[02:38] <Publius> not even grenades can kill an american
[02:38] <Publius> these assholes need new weapons
[02:38] <Publius> the way to get STING is to make him attend a DNC convention
[02:38] <`STINGRAY> i was supposed to leave in june the 1st week for the start of my anual 45
[02:38] <`STINGRAY> ke6 ya
[02:39] <Publius> STING voted for John Kerry!!!
[02:39] * Publius runms
[02:39] <Publius> runs*
[02:39] <ke6i> we just need orbiting laser death rays. Like we just luxuriate in an air cond
[02:39] <insomnia-> ke6i, i hate doing the dishes simply because i dont like to touch the dir
[02:39] <insomnia-> lol
[02:39] <`STINGRAY> pub dont laugh but when kerry was running they had a local dem club at th
[02:40] <Publius> oh that guy musta been real educated
[02:40] <Publius> "lousy mps"
[02:40] <`STINGRAY> there were 30 people there
[02:40] <`STINGRAY> at the book store
[02:40] <`STINGRAY> pub wait till i meet ya hahaha
[02:40] <`STINGRAY> you will be called no balls puby hahaha
[02:40] <Publius> oh hell naw
[02:40] <ke6i> Or maybe we could create killer robots. And send them to Iraq to lord over th
[02:41] <`STINGRAY> pub ya know i am old but ya can ask cry kali comer of free they got a cop
[02:41] <`STINGRAY> pub hehehehe
[02:41] <Publius> I didn't know cry and kali could walk that far!
[02:41] <insomnia-> ke6i, what about when the robots revolt...
[02:41] <Publius> do they use their walkers?
[02:41] * Publius guffaws
[02:42] <`STINGRAY> hey this is funny pub. when i log onto mirc with my air card i get on ok
[02:42] <Publius> oh yah
[02:42] <Publius> talk to FT about that
[02:42] <`STINGRAY> i dont have dsl but all neighbors do i jump on theres hahaha
[02:42] <Publius> they banned comcast cause of the trolls stealing proxies
[02:42] <`STINGRAY> pub ya its wrking off my air card
[02:42] <Publius> you gotta have ident or somethin
[02:42] <ke6i> well we give the robots limited lifespan. Just like the replicants in that Bl
[02:43] <`STINGRAY> ya hey gonna log off go to air comcast see what happens brb
[02:43] <insomnia-> lol
[02:43] <insomnia-> bluescreen of death
[02:43] <Publius> terrorist's least favorite color is blue
[02:43] <insomnia-> ppph
[02:44] <insomnia-> only a terrorist would know such a thing
[02:44] <Publius> allah ackbar!
[02:44] <insomnia-> publius, why do you hate freedom?
[02:44] <Publius> bah
[02:44] <Publius> I don't even know what not being free is like
[02:44] <laalaa-> i've got a question which has nothing to do with politics nor the subject b
[02:44] <Publius> credit hours
[02:44] <Publius> is how it works
[02:44] <laalaa-> lets say there's 50 credits requried to graduate, how many months is that?
[02:44] <Publius> for instance, at my school
[02:45] <Publius> it takes 30 credit huors to become a sophmore right?
[02:45] <Publius> so you take 15 credit hours a semester
[02:46] <Publius> so
[02:46] <Publius> you gotta take like 4 classes. each class is worth a certain amount of cred
[02:46] <Publius> your basic subjects are all 4 credit hours
[02:46] <Publius> math, english, history
[02:46] <Publius> science is like 3
[02:46] <Publius> lol
[02:46] <Publius> usually 2
[02:46] <laalaa-> i still don't get it :D
[02:47] <Publius> i ain't finished
[02:47] <laalaa-> ah, ok my bad
[02:47] <insomnia-> ..im gunna go make eggs
[02:47] * insomnia- is now known as cynic-bbl
[02:47] <Publius> so you take calc1(4 hours) on mon wed and frid, english lit 1101, 4 hours,
[02:48] <Publius> all your classes are mon wed friday
[02:49] <occ_> jesus, i hate "literature" classes
[02:49] <Publius> classes range from 55-1:45 minutes
[02:49] <Publius> and in the end...all your courses should add up to 15 hours a week
[02:49] <Publius> of classtime
[02:49] <occ_> 14.5 credits!
[02:49] <occ_> hehe
[02:49] <Publius> 15 or more
[02:49] <beeper1> i love literature
[02:49] <beeper1> i want to teach english lit
[02:49] <laalaa-> ok but about how many months does it take to get 45 credits..lets say you s
[02:50] <laalaa-> a year and a half?
[02:52] <laalaa-> that's all i was about ask
[02:52] <Publius> yeah
[02:52] <Publius> 3 semesters
[02:53] <laalaa-> thank you
[02:56] <Publius> PARIS, May 17 -- France's lower house of parliament approved a tough new im
[02:56] <Publius> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/17/AR200605170
[02:56] <occ_> i love literature, but i hate discussing it, and writing about it, blah blah
[02:56] <occ_> the crap you do in college english classes
[02:56] <occ_> also, i hate joyce carol oates
[02:56] <occ_> shes like the backbone of college literature classes
[02:56] <occ_> depressing whore!
[02:56] <beeper1> lol
[02:56] <beeper1> im an english major, ive never read joyce carol oates, or admittedly ever h
[02:56] <Publius> a good thing
[02:56] <laalaa-> well doesnt the us government require proper english from you?
[02:56] <beeper1> prly
[02:56] <beeper1> what is she known for
[02:56] <beeper1> proper english?
[02:56] <laalaa-> if you're an immigrant
[02:56] <beeper1> if the gov required proper english there'd be no one living here
[02:57] <Publius> nah
[02:57] <beeper1> there's an english test, i think, but probably easy if you can read this ri
[02:57] <Publius> there is no official language, nor do we require you to speak english to li
[02:57] <laalaa-> atleast for a citizenship you need to pass certain amount of tests
[02:57] <Publius> they are in english simply because that is what we speak
[02:57] <beeper1> there's a history test in english, i always thought that was the extent
[02:57] <laalaa-> i know there's no official language even though all the caucasians prefer e
[02:58] <Publius> and our laws are in english
[02:58] <Publius> we don't require it
[02:58] <beeper1> african americans prefer english too :)
[02:58] <Publius> but that doesn't mean we have to make sure it is in another language
[02:58] <beeper1> the government puts out most things in every language
[03:00] <occ_> she writes stories where its like
[03:00] <Publius> yah
[03:00] <beeper1> like voter forms, driver license tests, etc
[03:00] <occ_> "blah blah SOMEONE GETS RAPED blah blah SOMEONE DIES blah blah HUMAN CONDITION
[03:00] <laalaa-> beeper1, too bad these days very few young african americans are able to sp
[03:00] <beeper1> hahaha
[03:00] <occ_> its the kinda shit that "literature" fans eat up
[03:00] <beeper1> laa: it's not that they don't, it's that they choose not to. it's counter c
[03:00] <occ_> with that infuriating detached writing style
[03:00] <beeper1> occ: what period is she?
[03:00] <beeper1> is she an american writer?
[03:00] <occ_> current, unfortunately
[03:00] <occ_> yah
[03:00] <occ_> shes some college prof, no doubt
[03:00] <beeper1> that explains why i never heard of her
[03:00] <occ_> who other college profs love
[03:00] <beeper1> i hate american writing, and i focus on earlier stuff, like victorian and m
[03:00] <occ_> ike what?
[03:00] <beeper1> chaucer, shakespeare
[03:00] <beeper1> i can read middle english
[03:00] <beeper1> cretian de troyes
[03:00] <beeper1> umm
[03:01] <beeper1> dante
[03:01] <beeper1> wordsworth
[03:01] <beeper1> tennyson, keats
[03:02] <beeper1> the only 20th century poet i really liked was frost
[03:02] <occ_> cool, cool
[03:02] <occ_> frost is about the only poet i truly love
[03:02] <occ_> predictable, i suppose
[03:03] <occ_> im a big fan of the canterbury tales, going back to chaucer
[03:03] <beeper1> yeah
[03:03] <beeper1> wife of bath rocked my world when i first read it
[03:03] <beeper1> you think of medieval peoples as being puritans
[03:04] <occ_> hehe
[03:04] <occ_> yup
[03:04] <occ_> very raunchy tales, i love it
[03:05] <occ_> and of course, its the classic unfinished work
[03:05] <Publius> "do you mr zoron deny that the USSR has placed ballistic missiles in cuba"
[03:05] <beeper1> dante is awesome
[03:05] <beeper1> i mean, that's where satan and hell come from basically, we base our notion
[03:05] <beeper1> except for the imagery
[03:06] <occ_> pretty much
[03:06] <occ_> hell comes from inferno
[03:06] <occ_> basically
[03:07] <beeper1> i took lit of the bible and medieval lit courses
[03:07] <beeper1> satan isn't mentioned much in the bible at all, and hell isn't either reall
[03:08] <occ_> yep
[03:08] <occ_> there's precious little in the bible about "hell"
[03:08] <occ_> or heaven, for that matter
[03:08] * cynic-bbl is now known as insomnia-
[03:08] <Publius> how are the eggs?
[03:09] <insomnia-> fucking delicious
[03:09] <Publius> oh my
[03:09] * insomnia- nods
[03:09] <beeper1> in fact
[03:09] <occ_> made eggs?
[03:09] <insomnia-> yep
[03:09] <beeper1> the most interesting parts of the notions about hell is that its not fire a
[03:10] <occ_> hats the modern catholic interpretation
[03:10] <Publius> gah, i have a headache
[03:10] <occ_> but frankly, i find the "away from god" thing a little ambiguous
[03:10] <insomnia-> eggs would make your headache go away..
[03:10] <insomnia-> to bad i dont share
[03:11] <insomnia-> hell=worst nightmare...or atleast that's what i believe
[03:11] <Publius> I would not ask you to spare any rations...you live in the artic
[03:11] <insomnia-> lol
[03:11] <beeper1> the ambiguity is what makes it so intruiging
[03:11] <insomnia-> the artic, where we grow crops a plenty pub lol
[03:11] <Publius> nature is weird
[03:12] <insomnia-> actually i think i made too many
[03:21] <Publius> wha
[03:21] <insomnia-> who
[03:22] <insomnia-> hmmm nicotine
[03:24] <insomnia-> transformers is on!!!
[03:25] <beeper1> what channel
[03:25] <insomnia-> cartoon network
[03:25] <beeper1> you know, i wish the cartoon network would play 80s cartoons
[03:26] <insomnia-> they're trying to steal the omega bot, oh noooooo
[03:26] <insomnia-> they parody some 90s ones
[03:26] <beeper1> tmnt, real ghost busters, robotech, transformers, gi joe, he-man, thunderca
[03:26] <beeper1> that would kick my ass
[03:26] <insomnia-> space ghost coast to coast, harvey birdman, the brak show
[03:26] <beeper1> transformers > transformers cybertron
[03:26] <insomnia-> i heart those shows
[03:26] <insomnia-> and the ones you said
[03:26] <insomnia-> yes i agree
[03:27] <beeper1> i gotta say though
[03:27] <beeper1> i got transformers the movie on dvd
[03:27] <insomnia-> cybertron sucks, but i mean...its 530 am...transformers is transformers..
[03:27] <beeper1> and it really didnt hold up
[03:27] <beeper1> lol
[03:27] <beeper1> its 6:30 here, i havent slept
[03:28] <insomnia-> i love that movie
[03:28] <insomnia-> me either
[03:28] <insomnia-> i think i only love it because it's the transformers though..
[03:28] <occ_> hehe
[03:28] <beeper1> prolly
[03:28] <occ_> i owned transformers toys, but i never got into the whole nostalgic fandom thi
[03:29] <occ_> and i never saw the movie
[03:29] <insomnia-> i played with my neighbors toys..the rents would never buy them for me
[03:29] <insomnia-> teen titans suck balls
[03:30] <beeper1> i had every single teenage mutant ninja turtles, transformers, real ghostbu
[03:30] <beeper1> i was pretty spoiled
[03:30] * insomnia- had barbies.......
[03:30] <insomnia-> i was a legos kid actually...
[03:30] <beeper1> i had my appendix out in 3rd grade...i woke up and the bed was covered in t
[03:30] <beeper1> i was really into legos, still am
[03:30] <beeper1> im 25 and im embarrased to say i bought some star wars lego sets
[03:31] <insomnia-> i asked for the pirate set for christmas and im 18
[03:31] <beeper1> then i dont feel so bad
[03:31] <insomnia-> :)
[03:31] <beeper1> i mean, lego millineum falcon...!!!
[03:31] <beeper1> $99 dollars and took 7 hours to build
[03:31] <occ_> i owned tmnt, ghostbusters, and thundercats toys
[03:31] <occ_> but then, we're both 25 :)
[03:31] <insomnia-> our lego selection has really dwindled though...but the mall of america h
[03:32] <occ_> what are our two favorite movies from the 80s?
[03:32] <occ_> the goonies and ghostbusters, of course
[03:32] <occ_> is there any question?
[03:32] <beeper1> aliens and terminator
[03:32] <beeper1> back to the future, indiana jones
[03:32] <insomnia-> i was scared shitless of the goonies when i was a kid..now i lvoe it
[03:32] <laalaa-> why are you embarrased? it's good to have a small peter pan inside of you
[03:32] <Publius> reagans two inaugural addresses, dh
[03:32] <Publius> duh
[03:32] <Publius> ;)
[03:32] <insomnia-> pub stfu
[03:33] <Publius> ;(
[03:33] <insomnia-> lol
[03:33] <beeper1> im embarrased because they are really expensive and childrens toys :)
[03:33] <occ_> haha, sloth used to scare me
[03:33] <beeper1> same
[03:33] <beeper1> hes a scary dude
[03:33] <occ_> but id watch anyway!
[03:33] <insomnia-> i hid behind the covers
[03:33] <occ_> i remember when i saw ghostbusters in the theater, it scared the hell out of m
[03:33] <insomnia-> when i was alone
[03:33] <occ_> but i was four, what do you expect?
[03:33] <beeper1> i was 3
[03:33] <beeper1> i think we're in the same grade occ
[03:33] <insomnia-> but if i was with the neighbor boys, i'd conveniently go to the bathroom
[03:33] <beeper1> lol
[03:34] <occ_> i bet we are
[03:34] <beeper1> i didnt see ghostbusters in the theater...i did see ghostbusters 2
[03:34] <occ_> hehe
[03:34] <beeper1> i remember i taped the trailer from tv before it came out and would watch i
[03:34] <occ_> by far my fondest moviegoing expierience was seeing terminator 2 in the theate
[03:34] <beeper1> because they showed the titanic and i was a titanic freak...i used to read
[03:34] <occ_> because i was 11, and it was rated r
[03:34] <occ_> and it blew me the fuck away
[03:35] <beeper1> my parents didnt let me see rated r till i was like 13 lol
[03:35] <insomnia-> did you shit yourself when you saw the titanic?
[03:35] <beeper1> insomnia: when?
[03:35] <insomnia-> in the 90's \m/
[03:35] <occ_> my parents didnt generally let me watch r-rated movies, but for some reason i
[03:35] <occ_> i probably scammed my way into it
[03:35] <beeper1> lol, the only reason i saw titanic in the 90s was beacuse my gf dragged me
[03:35] <occ_> i used to have to hide my nightmare on elm street movies
[03:35] <insomnia-> lol
[03:36] <insomnia-> i think that's the only reason any guy above the age of 12 saw it
[03:36] <occ_> heres titanic in a nutshell:
[03:36] <beeper1> occ: yeah...in 6th grade my friends would watch freddy kruegar and id sit o
[03:36] <occ_> WHY COULDN'T JACK HAVE ALSO FLOATED ON THE DOOR AND SURVIVED?!
[03:36] <insomnia-> lol i always wondered that
[03:36] <beeper1> yeah
[03:36] <beeper1> like
[03:36] <beeper1> if i was jack
[03:36] <occ_> isnt that idiotic?
[03:37] <beeper1> i would get on the door and rape her for warmth
[03:37] <CanOfSpam> Anything that involves Dicaprio's death is fine by me
[03:37] <insomnia-> lol
[03:37] <occ_> i mean i know he had to die a noble death and all, but come on
[03:37] <beeper1> leo was good in aviator
[03:37] <occ_> also, FWIW, dicaprio is an excellent actor
[03:37] <insomnia-> i agree
[03:37] <occ_> yep
[03:37] <CanOfSpam> Dicaprio is an excellent MURDER VICTIM
[03:37] <CanOfSpam> or will be.
[03:37] <beeper1> im a little scared. leonardo dicaprio bought the rights to make a movie of
[03:37] <insomnia-> no...i meant i agree to beeper
[03:37] <insomnia-> what book?
[03:38] <occ_> yes, we all hate the prettyboy from titanic, but thats the least of his roles
[03:38] <beeper1> cat's cradle by kurt vonnegut
[03:38] <occ_> which, beeper?
[03:38] <insomnia-> hmm interesting
[03:38] <occ_> see how lagged i am?
[03:38] <insomnia-> beat it up
[03:38] <insomnia-> violence really is the answer
[03:39] <occ_> nah, ill beat my woman instead
[03:39] <occ_> BAM!
[03:39] <insomnia-> ....
[03:39] <insomnia-> uncomfortable silence...
[03:39] <beeper1> if you have never read cat's cradle, i really recommend it
[03:39] <insomnia-> i'll pick it up at work sometime
[03:40] <laalaa-> i can't say dicaprio would be an excellent actor but he's an actor that the
[03:40] <laalaa-> and there's a difference between those two
[03:40] <insomnia-> lol
[03:40] <beeper1> he was excellent in the aviator and catch me if you can, imo
[03:41] <insomnia-> catch me if you can was ok..but i think i just didnt like the movie much
[03:41] <beeper1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/6305876932/qid=1147948823/sr=8-3/ref=pd_bb
[03:41] <beeper1> i want me that
[03:41] <beeper1> lol
[03:42] <insomnia-> lol
[03:42] <insomnia-> you've seen the heavy.com stuff right?
[03:43] <beeper1> no
[03:43] <insomnia-> check it out, there are gi joe parodys, bloody hilarious
[03:43] * _ron is now known as ron
[03:44] <occ_> i really liked catch me if you can
[03:45] <insomnia-> it's been a long time since i've seen it, but i dont remember anything sp
[03:45] <insomnia-> except for the doctors scene "do you conqer"
[03:46] <beeper1> politics is a cool channel because its always active
[03:47] <insomnia-> heck yes
[03:47] <insomnia-> but anways im going to go get like 4 hours of sleep lol
[03:47] <beeper1> which is why i tolerate all the republicans lol
[03:47] <beeper1> laters
[03:47] <insomnia-> amen
[03:47] <laalaa-> yeah laters
[03:47] <laalaa-> i'm gone too
[03:47] * insomnia- is now known as sleeping
[03:47] <laalaa-> i got a headache from sitting on the computer for too long
[03:47] <sleeping> whoa im surprised i got that nick
[03:47] <beeper1> you need glasses
[03:48] <beeper1> i got anti-glare coated glasses and that helps
[03:49] <laalaa-> option b) The monitor sucks
[03:50] <Hansard> why do some people think patriotism is 'loving your government'?
[03:50] <laalaa-> because some people are simple minded
[03:51] <occ_> ive got nike glasses
[03:51] <Hansard> occ_, sun glasses or reading/clear glasses?
[03:51] <Hansard> I saw Mambo reading glasses the other day
[03:52] <occ_> prescription glasses, hansard
[03:52] <occ_> glasses glasses
[03:52] <Hansard> occ_, cool :)
[03:52] <Hansard> I'd buy some if I was more fashion conscious
[03:53] <occ_> i just did because i didnt have to pay, hehe
[03:53] <occ_> i do like 'em, though
[03:54] <laalaa-> i think i just found my type of t-shirt http://cgi.ebay.com/PABLO-ESCOBAR-H
[03:54] <Hansard> I wonder how rich you have to be to get a handmade custom armani suit......
[03:54] <occ_> you wouldnt buy a brand-name suit if you were rich
[03:55] <occ_> youd look down on armani for being off-the-rack
[03:55] <laalaa-> 1000-2000 dollars
[03:55] <Hansard> occ_, that's why I said 'hand made custom'
[03:55] <Hansard> occ_, I have an off the rack armani so I resent that
[03:55] <occ_> good suit, 1000-2000
[03:55] <occ_> i suppose
[03:55] <occ_> cheaper than some silly dress
[03:56] <Hansard> omg yeah some crap that women buy
[03:56] <Lajko> Must be nice to be rich and have so much money for your "hard work".
[03:56] <laalaa-> i've got a 50 dollar white suit and it's pretty good quality wise
[03:56] <laalaa-> better than some of the 300$ suits
[03:56] <occ_> i don't own a suit, m'self
[03:56] <occ_> i like suits, but can't afford one
[03:56] <Hansard> I've always wanted a white suit for some reason
[03:57] <Hansard> reminds me of that guy on fantasy island
[03:57] <laalaa-> i like two piece sets, they're not actually suits but fit better with me
[03:57] <Hansard> occ_, you can buy cheapy brand suits for like $100
[03:58] <Publius> OTTAWA (Reuters) - Parliament narrowly backed a two-year extension of Canad
[03:58] <Publius> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/17/AR200605170
[03:59] <laalaa-> that's exactly me : http://www.rustyzipper.com/pics/84844-M34357L.jpg
[04:00] <laalaa-> but different color ofcourse
[04:00] <Publius> New Delhi: Nepal Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala on Thursday presented
[04:00] <Publius> http://www.ibnlive.com/news/nepal-sheds-royal-tag-king-in-soup/10806-2.html
[04:01] <Publius> The proclamation aims to strip the King of his formal title of supreme Comm
[04:01] <Publius> With this proclamation, Nepal will no longer remain a Hindu state and will
[04:01] <Hansard> laalaa-, looks like the clothes worn by john hammond off jurasic park
[04:01] <laalaa-> possibly
[04:01] <laalaa-> but i still like it
[04:01] <laalaa-> it's not too official
[04:02] <laalaa-> http://www.internationalmale.com/HanoverAssets/intmale/product_images/ik27z
[04:02] <Hansard> it's what an african dictator would wear while not in uniform
[04:02] <laalaa-> or something lik that
[04:02] <Publius> LOL
[04:02] <laalaa-> maybe i am an african dictator
[04:03] <Hansard> oooo.. name a city after me please :)
[04:03] <beeper1> it would be awesome to be a dictator
[04:03] <beeper1> id move to south america and have twinkee farms
[04:03] <laalaa-> you know Miami is fancy so fuck all that gray and black basic two piece set
[04:03] <laalaa-> or funky might fit better here
[04:03] <Hansard> Publius, yay for democracy!
[04:04] * Publius nods
[04:04] <beeper1> democracy is overrated
[04:04] <Hansard> Publius, 1 absolute monarch down.. 1 bill of rights to go... come on nepal
[04:04] <beeper1> people are dumb, they shouldnt be allowed to vote
[04:04] <Publius> Hansard; now just as long as the islamist and the maoists stay out...
[04:05] <Hansard> the maoists who aren't really maoists are just a bunch of mountain dwelling
[04:06] <beeper1> in Nepal, the protests are from the Maoists
[04:06] <beeper1> so, he's abdicating for them to become communist
[04:06] <Publius> or not
[04:06] * Publius sighs
[04:06] <Publius> read up on it
[04:06] <Hansard> even china says they aren't maoists
[04:06] <beeper1> well, even if they were, china would pretend to distance themselves
[04:07] <Hansard> is nepal allied with any other nation?
[04:07] <beeper1> not sure
[04:08] <beeper1> i can see what it says in the cia factbook
[04:08] <Publius> I doubt they have any enemy nations
[04:08] <Hansard> there has to be a decent reason why china hasn't taken nepal
[04:08] <Publius> Hansard: simple, the chinese aren't expansionist
[04:08] <Hansard> Publius, tibet
[04:08] <beeper1> oh please
[04:08] <beeper1> dont kid yourself
[04:09] <beeper1> north korea
[04:09] <beeper1> vietnam
[04:09] <beeper1> tibet
[04:09] <Publius> the chinese don't have imperialistic desires
[04:09] <beeper1> taiwan
[04:09] <Publius> China had *nothing*
[04:09] <beeper1> hahaha
[04:09] <Publius> to do with Vietnam
[04:09] <Hansard> they supported NK
[04:09] <beeper1> we say we dont have imperialsitic desires either
[04:09] <Hansard> they don't support Vietnam
[04:09] <beeper1> but we clearly do the opposite
[04:09] <Publius> if China had any true desire to expand
[04:09] <Publius> they would have gone into Indochina, the phillipines, mongolia
[04:09] <Publius> and surrounding area
[04:09] <Publius> already
[04:10] <Hansard> mongolia was part of the USSR
[04:10] <Hansard> india is a big fucking country
[04:10] <Publius> lol
[04:10] <Hansard> phillipines was still a US protectorate just after the war
[04:10] <beeper1> they've had border wars with india
[04:11] <beeper1> 1955
[04:11] <beeper1> Diem Rejects Conditions of Geneva Accords, Refuses to Participate in Nation
[04:11] <beeper1> China and Soviet Union Pledge Additional Financial Support to Hanoi
[04:11] <Publius> remember...the Japanese are the imperialist here. China has suffered too ma
[04:11] <Hansard> Publius, btw they did fight Russia for parts of mongolia several times thro
[04:11] <beeper1> http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/timeline.htm
[04:11] <Publius> to run off and do the same thing to other people
[04:11] <Publius> beep: what yeaR?
[04:12] <beeper1> 1970
[04:12] <beeper1> Sihanouk Ousted in Cambodia: Prince Sihanouk's attempt to maintain Camb
[04:12] <Publius> all Chinese involvement in indochina...ceased when Kissinger made his secre
[04:12] <beeper1> dont kid yourself
[04:12] <beeper1> they paid lip service to kissinger
[04:12] <Publius> then you figure out why China hasn't expanded
[04:13] <beeper1> any country in the region going communist gave mao a woodie
[04:13] <Publius> except for Chairman Mao kind of despised the soviets
[04:13] <beeper1> publius: we havent had a new state in 50 years, but we've expanded
[04:13] <Publius> a lot
[04:13] <Hansard> they play cricket???? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepali_cricket_team
[04:13] <beeper1> imperialism is more than just taking territory
[04:14] <Publius> I may be stuck on the negative connotation here
[04:14] <Publius> but China is not the USSR and it is not an imminent threat to America or th
[04:14] <Publius> heh
[04:14] <beeper1> China isn't imminent, just looming
[04:14] <Publius> china is actually a positive force atm
[04:14] <beeper1> lol
[04:15] <jv> Publius: actually, it more or less is
[04:15] <Publius> for instance
[04:15] <jv> Publius: imagine what'd happen if they'd dump their foreign reserves at once :)
[04:15] <Publius> it is exanding oil interests into africa
[04:15] <beeper1> china is a positive force? they've snatched up all the oil contracts in dev
[04:15] * KateyAFK is now known as Katey
[04:15] <Publius> that money along with Chinese help is aiding nigeria and kenya
[04:15] <Publius> in their economies
[04:15] <beeper1> meaning we're cut off from cheap supply
[04:15] <Publius> it will
[04:15] <Hansard> jv, I've told Publius about that before.. it's a very small chance but he t
[04:15] <beeper1> if they weren't imperialistic why do they have an army expendiature second
[04:16] <Publius> yeah because they figured that would be much more intelligent
[04:16] <Publius> instead of starting a conflict
[04:16] <Publius> by trying to get involved in the middle east
[04:16] <beeper1> china will still be there even after the US is just a memory
[04:16] <Publius> imagine what would happen to the Chinese economy
[04:16] <Publius> if they dumped that
[04:16] <beeper1> they're not the oldest country by accident
[04:17] <Publius> right, just as japan, germany, and the european kingdoms lasted forever.
[04:17] <Hansard> Publius, depends if the EU did it as well
[04:17] <Publius> the object is not national survivual
[04:17] <Publius> it is peace and democracy
[04:17] <Hansard> Publius, and all the international banks dumped the USD as well in response
[04:18] <Publius> Hansard: would simply never happen
[04:18] <Publius> it is fun to theorize
[04:18] <Hansard> it's not just the $1 trillion of USD that china holds.. it's that if it dum
[04:18] <Publius> Hansard: that would destroy the world economy
[04:18] <beeper1> within 50 years China will be the sole superpower
[04:18] <Publius> we lost $1 trillion from 9/11
[04:18] <Publius> we are doing great now
[04:19] <Publius> let CHina tank their economy
[04:19] <Publius> let europe conspire with them with petty jealously
[04:19] <Publius> to destroy the worlds economic stability
[04:19] <Publius> and create chaos and death
[04:19] <Katey> beeper1, eh. I doubt that. India is growing quickly too.
[04:20] <beeper1> india is growing but they're not a stable government. it's collaped 4 times
[04:20] <jv> Publius: Great... well
[04:20] <Publius> jv: bring em on. ;)
[04:20] <jv> Publius: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,1774162,00.html
[04:20] <jv> Publius: What about this one?
[04:21] <Publius> and then the dollar jumped right back up
[04:21] <Publius> jv: and besides
[04:21] <Publius> this article kind of relies on an interest rate raise pause
[04:22] <Publius> and my god...the foreign exchange rate is not a real indicator of economic
[04:22] <Publius> especially since the entire system is based on the dollar
[04:22] <Publius> if the dollar goes
[04:22] <Publius> the foreign exchange rate goes
[04:22] <Publius> o_O
[04:22] <jv> Yep :)
[04:23] <Publius> but it won't.
[04:23] <occ_> heh
[04:23] <occ_> thats not really how it works
[04:24] <Publius> OMG OMG...the euro is worth 1.28 dollars! the US economy is dooooooomed
[04:24] <Publius> i mean
[04:25] <Publius> it doesn't even matter that the US GDP was greater than the entire EU"s com
[04:26] <Publius> FWAP
[04:27] <Publius> focus!@
[04:28] <Publius> there is a damn good reason I can travel to Beijing tomorrow
[04:28] <Publius> and if I was alive 30 years ago, I couldn't go to Moscow
[04:28] <Katey> Interesting program on WAMU yesterday. About a trend of Chinese and Indian e
[04:28] <Hansard> Publius, PPP alters with exchange rate.. this changes GDP
[04:29] <Publius> Hansard; the American GDP still is greater.
[04:29] <Publius> do the calculations
[04:29] * Publius asks the channel if they want to asses Europes economic growth for the year 2005?
[04:29] <occ_> nah, the channel will let you do it
[04:29] <occ_> its too early.
[04:29] <Hansard> Publius, yes the US GDP is higher atm.. but I said if the USD collapses the
[04:30] <Katey> The guests on the program seemed to feel that, despite short term displacemen
[04:30] <Publius> the dollar ain't gonna collapse
[04:30] <Publius> France's real GDP Growth in 2005? 1.6%
[04:30] <Publius> the UK, 1.7
[04:31] <Publius> Germany? .9%
[04:31] <Publius> the entire EU? 1.7%
[04:31] <Publius> the US? 3.5 %
[04:31] <Hansard> China dumps it's USD.. in reaction other central banks dump their USD.. US
[04:31] <occ_> have you ever been to europe? half the people there dont even work
[04:31] <occ_> so its not really surprising
[04:31] <occ_> you ask people what they do and its like "i protest for a living"
[04:31] <Publius> Hansard: China would never ever ever dump the dollar
[04:32] <Publius> in exchange for what?
[04:32] <occ_> "i compose poetry and am compensated for it"
[04:32] <Publius> the lazy racist Europeans?
[04:32] <Publius> BWAHAHAH
[04:32] <Publius> hell fuckling now
[04:32] <Hansard> Publius, Euros.. Gold.. take your pick
[04:32] <Publius> most certainly not the Euro
[04:32] <Hansard> why not?
[04:32] <Katey> France has a screwy system with regard to business
[04:32] <Katey> It's very difficult to start new businesses there
[04:32] <Hansard> many countries started trading Oil in Euros recently
[04:32] <Publius> because the EU simply is not trustworthy
[04:32] <beeper1> lol
[04:32] <Publius> Not Saudi Arabia
[04:32] <Publius> not Iran
[04:32] <Publius> not Russia
[04:32] <Publius> not Venezeual
[04:32] <occ_> i love europe, but its just not the place you want to start a business in
[04:33] <beeper1> the eu is not trustworthy? like the us is?
[04:33] <Hansard> and many central banks are hedging reserves in EU in case of a drop in the
[04:33] <occ_> the euro isnt trustworthy?
[04:33] <occ_> heh
[04:33] <Katey> extremely difficult to get a business loan unless you're already an establish
[04:33] <occ_> its the only thing that comes close to the dollar in "trustworthiness"
[04:33] <Publius> the US have proved itself time and time again over the past century that we
[04:33] <Publius> and are willing to help our friends
[04:33] <Publius> and fight our enemies
[04:33] <jv> occ_: no fiat is really trustworthy
[04:33] <Publius> we reached out to make friends with China
[04:33] <Publius> what did Europe do?
[04:34] <occ_> yeah, but who the hell buys italian cars?
[04:34] <Publius> run like a coward and abandon Israel
[04:34] <beeper1> <US> Hey...uh...so...I saw some anthrax in your country... <Countr
[04:34] <Hansard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Depression
[04:34] <Publius> during the oil embargo
[04:34] <beeper1> europe fell in line with us on china
[04:34] <occ_> ive just realized this, but isnt israel like 20 square miles in size or someth
[04:34] <Publius> thats right, the fell in line
[04:34] <beeper1> they werent going to piss off nato during the heights of the cold war
[04:35] <Publius> the UK is our friend
[04:35] <beeper1> like, thats such a dumb question to ask "what did they do"
[04:35] <beeper1> they didnt have a choice to open relations with them
[04:35] <Publius> if this despicable plot to destroy the US
[04:35] <Publius> ever had any fruitition
[04:35] <Publius> the Brits would hold true to the US
[04:35] <Publius> because they have not forgotten the nazi invasion
[04:35] <Publius> jv: would England support the US?
[04:36] <beeper1> its ironic that the country that used to subjugate us is now our only real
[04:36] <Publius> nop
[04:36] <Publius> it is not our only real friend
[04:36] <beeper1> ok
[04:36] <beeper1> australia
[04:36] <Hansard> beeper1, HELLO!??!? Australia
[04:36] <Publius> japan, saudi arabia
[04:36] <Publius> germany
[04:36] <beeper1> lol
[04:36] <Publius> canada
[04:36] <Publius> israel
[04:36] <Publius> india
[04:36] <beeper1> with friends like saudi arabia who needs enemies
[04:36] <occ_> m gonna nominate australia as the USA's best friend
[04:36] <occ_> i just like the cut of their jib
[04:36] <Hansard> Publius, none of those count.. they didn't send ground troops for the invas
[04:37] <Publius> in 2003?
[04:37] <beeper1> Austrilia is our best friend because kangroos and kooalas are awesome
[04:37] <occ_> dont forget boomerangs!
[04:37] <occ_> i love those things
[04:37] <Hansard> aussies have sent troops to every US war since we founded our nation'
[04:37] <Publius> Italy did
[04:37] <Publius> the UK did
[04:37] <Publius> Polanmd did
[04:37] <Publius> Romania
[04:37] <Publius> Georgia, Japan
[04:37] <Publius> Denmark
[04:38] <occ_> xcept when we fought japan, i suppose
[04:38] <Hansard> Publius, sending 3 llamas and a donkey doesn't count as ground forces
[04:38] <Publius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_Willing <---coalition of t
[04:38] <occ_> and, you know, since ww2, when japan didnt have a military
[04:38] <beeper1> don't forget Poland!
[04:38] <Publius> Hansard: Japan and Poland sent more troops than your nation
[04:38] <occ_> Coalition of the Soundbite
[04:39] <Publius> oh yeah
[04:39] <Publius> South Korea
[04:39] <Hansard> Publius, AFTER the invasion
[04:39] <beeper1> http://www.youforgotpoland.org/mjames/yfp/
[04:40] <Publius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coalition_of_the_willing_original.PNG &
[04:40] <Hansard> Publius, we sent heaps and pulled them out because we didn't want to occupy
[04:40] <Publius> Hansard: I am talking about the original operation iraqi freedom
[04:40] <Publius> the AU sent 450 troops
[04:40] <beeper1> yeahj
[04:40] <Hansard> Publius, Aussies mainly sent mine sweeping ships, Special Forces, some carg
[04:41] <beeper1> and most of those countries have pulled out now
[04:41] <beeper1> whats your point
[04:41] <beeper1> a lot of those gave moral or monetary support
[04:41] <Hansard> Publius, the troops we sent were Royal SAS
[04:41] <Publius> lesse
[04:41] <Publius> I was replying to the comment
[04:41] <Hansard> Publius, they beat your rangers in the last war games by like 3:1
[04:41] <Publius> Publius, none of those count.. they didn't send ground troops for the invas
[04:41] <Publius> I got no beef with the AU
[04:41] <Publius> chill!
[04:41] <beeper1> i do!
[04:41] <beeper1> fosters sucks
[04:41] <beeper1> lol
[04:42] <beeper1> and crocodile dundee II was a horrible movie, we demand you take it back
[04:42] <Publius> jv: oh yeah. would the UK support it's friend the US, if some despicable pl
[04:43] <Hansard> "Australian forces committed to the conflict included include three Royal A
[04:43] <Publius> Hansard: how about Australia
[04:43] <Publius> Hansard: would you abandon the US?
[04:43] <Hansard> We don't have reserves of USD
[04:43] <Publius> and purposefully act to criple it
[04:43] <Publius> that doesn't mean you have to recognize the coup and change
[04:43] <Publius> would you support the US
[04:43] <Publius> ?
[04:43] <occ_> outback steakhouse sucks
[04:44] <Hansard> me?
[04:44] <occ_> although they did invent the fried onion blossom
[04:44] <Publius> yes
[04:44] <beeper1> i think the US should join the EU
[04:44] <beeper1> and adopt the euro lol
[04:44] * Tim-bbl is now known as Timur
[04:44] <Hansard> what would I do?
[04:44] <Publius> Hansard: you are a businessman right? would the communisty of businessmen a
[04:44] <Publius> would the AU government abandon the US?
[04:44] <Hansard> get some signs and run into Sydney CBD yelling 'Don't sell USD!!!!'
[04:44] <Publius> Hansard: No you would not
[04:45] <Hansard> lol
[04:45] <Publius> Australia has been an advocate of freedom
[04:45] <Hansard> of course not
[04:45] <Hansard> it's not something you can change
[04:45] <Publius> and the freemarket since hell
[04:45] <Publius> for a long as time
[04:45] <Publius> lol
[04:45] <Publius> ass
[04:45] <Publius> neither would England
[04:45] <Hansard> there isn't anything I can do to affect the USD
[04:45] <Publius> or Germany
[04:45] <Hansard> so don't point any fingers at me
[04:45] <Publius> Hansard: there would be if somethign ridiculous like
[04:45] <Publius> China dumped its bonds
[04:46] <Publius> omfg
[04:46] <Publius> if CHina did that ROFL
[04:46] <Hansard> Publius, if I thought that the USD was going to crash I'd be buying gold
[04:46] <Publius> the Yuan would DIE
[04:46] <Publius> UTTERLY
[04:46] <Zaw> Hansard: why?
[04:46] <Publius> the Chinese economy would implode before the US got near a recession
[04:46] <Publius> Hansard: Gold just plummeted
[04:46] <Hansard> zaw, commodities go up in value when currencies and equities crash
[04:46] <Publius> ;)
[04:46] <occ_> one reason i love the euro is
[04:47] <occ_> when you buy something in europe, they dont play that stupid fucking $.99 bull
[04:47] <Timur> it's coins are two-toned?
[04:47] <Timur> occ: lol
[04:47] <beeper1> china doesnt need the US in the long run....as our economy slumps, then the
[04:47] <occ_> everything is X euros, and maybe a half euro
[04:47] <Publius> Our economy is not slumping!
[04:48] <occ_> i cant fucking stand how buying something in the damn us FORCES you to break a
[04:48] <Publius> what do you mean "as our economy slumps"
[04:48] <Zaw> Hansard: gold is a standard by which other fiat money systems are measured. wha
[04:48] <occ_> you want a coffee in europe? its ONE EURO
[04:48] <occ_> not one oh six oh wait tax blah blah
[04:48] <beeper1> occ: that's pretty expensive then
[04:48] <Publius> occ: tahts because they have VAT taxes
[04:48] <occ_> yeah, but its really good coffee ;)
[04:48] <Hansard> Zaw, you hold gold when currencies and equity markets are crashing
[04:48] <Publius> the citizen in reality has no idea how much the government is stealing
[04:48] <beeper1> taxes arent stealing
[04:48] <Zaw> Hansard: i understand what talk radio is telling you, i'm just asking you to th
[04:48] <Publius> lol
[04:48] <beeper1> if i take your wallet, its stealing
[04:48] <Publius> sorry
[04:48] <beeper1> taxes do something for the public good
[04:49] <beeper1> like, the internet
[04:49] <occ_> yah, im sure you pay a whole hell of a lot of tax, publius ;)
[04:49] <beeper1> for example
[04:49] <Publius> I have been reading fairtax
[04:49] * _laaala is now known as laaala
[04:49] <Hansard> Zaw, 'talk radio'? I'm a financial planner
[04:49] <Publius> I udnerstand the necessity for taxes
[04:49] <Publius> but the VAT tax is disgusting
[04:49] <beeper1> we have state sales taxes here
[04:49] <beeper1> whats the difference
[04:49] <Hansard> income taxes are worse than sales taxes
[04:50] <occ_> the money's gotta come from somewhere
[04:50] <Publius> the sales tax is not included
[04:50] <Publius> when you see the ticket
[04:50] <occ_> thats what it boils down to
[04:50] <Publius> and buy it
[04:50] <Zaw> Hansard: you're not a very good one, then, and recommend what you've been taugh
[04:50] <occ_> finewe can cut income tax and raise sales tax heavily
[04:50] <occ_> you're still gonna pay
[04:50] <Publius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added_tax#VAT_criticisms
[04:50] <Hansard> Zaw, yes.
[04:51] <Hansard> Zaw, what's your point?
[04:51] <Publius> The minimum standard rate of VAT throughout the EU is 15%,
[04:51] <Publius> so essentially
[04:51] <occ_> zaw learned his financial stuff outside of "establishment channels"...in the u
[04:51] <Zaw> Hansard: so then explain to me exactly what gold would do for you if the USD we
[04:51] <Publius> the minimum sales tax is 15%?
[04:51] <Timur> except gold's valuation does, in fact, go up and down.
[04:51] <Publius> bwahahaha
[04:51] <Zaw> occ_: both channels, actually.
[04:51] <Timur> see, that's why you can pay more or less for it in the market.
[04:52] <Zaw> Timur: gold stays the same, fiat money increases and decreases in value.
[04:52] <occ_> i know everyone will crucify me for it, but we really aren't overtaxed in the
[04:52] <occ_> we pay, by far, the lowest taxes of any real country
[04:52] <Timur> no, it.. actually doesn't. :)
[04:53] <bmc> so?we pay far less for gasoline than most countries also, its still do much
[04:53] <beeper1> i dunno
[04:53] <Publius> occ: did you know that texas and florida are respectively the 10th and 14th
[04:53] <bmc> we demand more, i mean we're american!
[04:53] <Hansard> Zaw, ok let's try a little math here for you... if gold is 1 dollar and the
[04:53] <beeper1> i think payroll taxes are obscene
[04:53] <occ_> hehe
[04:53] <bmc> :P
[04:53] <occ_> yah, its "too much"
[04:53] <occ_> because you're used to it
[04:53] <Zaw> Timur: i'm not going to debate with someone who has no knowledge of fiat money
[04:53] <occ_> we dont pay shit for gas
[04:54] <bmc> occ_ but we're americans we have a birthright to exploit the worlds resources a
[04:54] <Hansard> Zaw, you're a fucking idiot. Go back to school.
[04:54] <Timur> I have knowledge of it. Gold isn't absolute. All things vary in value in the
[04:54] <Zaw> Hansard: you know what i'm getting at, or else you're just trolling. lets say t
[04:55] <beeper1> why is gold even valuable?
[04:55] <beeper1> its silly
[04:55] <Zaw> Hansard: wow, great debate tactic! ad-hom is awesome
[04:55] <occ_> yah lets all invest in gold
[04:55] <occ_> theres a WINNER
[04:55] <beeper1> gold is such a useless material
[04:55] <bmc> because its a precious metal
[04:55] <Publius> is fort knox the largest gold reserve in the world?
[04:55] <bmc> Publius no
[04:55] <Zaw> Publius: haha no
[04:55] <beeper1> why is it precious though? because its shiny?
[04:55] <Publius> what is?
[04:55] <occ_> lets all trade currency
[04:55] <bmc> NYC Federal Reserve
[04:55] <bmc> ?
[04:55] <Publius> DOH!!!
[04:55] <beeper1> i mean, gold has very little in the way of practical uses
[04:55] <Zaw> Publius: the US gave up all of its gold when it declared bankruptcy in 1964
[04:55] <occ_> beeper: its non-reactive, mostly
[04:55] <occ_> gold stays gold
[04:55] <beeper1> but
[04:55] <beeper1> its just stupid
[04:55] <beeper1> i doesnt make sense
[04:55] <beeper1> like
[04:55] <Hansard> Zaw, it's not a debate tactic.. it was a fuck off I don't want to debate wi
[04:55] <beeper1> diamonds i get
[04:55] <beeper1> its the hardest substance
[04:55] <occ_> i know they use it for "semiconductors", but erm, thats all i know
[04:55] <beeper1> but gold?
[04:56] <occ_> arent chips gold, or some shit?
[04:56] <Zaw> beeper1: it has some intrinsic value due to its use as an electrical conductor
[04:56] <occ_> hehe
[04:56] <occ_> oooh, speaking of jewelry
[04:56] <Publius> Hansard: I think the point is that if you buy gold with the dollar
[04:56] <bmc> The Federal Reserve Bank of New York maintains an underground vault in Manhatta
[04:56] <beeper1> but its value as a material as a semi-conductor isnt the reason its so valu
[04:56] <Publius> you are essential building the strength of the dollar back up
[04:56] <Zaw> Hansard: so tell me what you'd do with your gold when the USD was worth nothing
[04:56] <Timur> some intrinsic value. not an absolute value. :)
[04:56] <occ_> lets make fun of diamonds for a minute
[04:56] <bmc> The gold is owned by many foreign nations, central banks and official internati
[04:56] <beeper1> i mean, silicon is more valuable in a microchip as opposed to gold
[04:56] <beeper1> but thats not a billion dollars
[04:57] <occ_> not by weight
[04:57] <bmc> gold has value that transcends(sp?) modern economies and currency
[04:57] <bmc> :P
[04:57] <beeper1> right
[04:58] <bmc> it had value to primitive people, for thousands of years
[04:59] <beeper1> gold's value is from when we bartered with shells and shit
[04:59] <Linus--> "I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it."
[04:59] <beeper1> it has no real value, its sad that we still pretend it does
[04:59] <Zaw> bmc: yes, that's the great thing. the federal reserve bank is a private corpora
[04:59] <Hansard> Zaw, dear Zaw.. please refer to the above letter we sent you RE: don't want
[04:59] <bmc> you can trade gold
[04:59] <Zaw> Hansard: i understand that it's a very difficult question for you to answer, no
[04:59] <bmc> i have some gold, you have some flour, some bullets, some meat etc,etc
[04:59] <Timur> it's really not entirely privat.
[04:59] <Timur> -e
[04:59] <Linus--> thar's gold in dem dere halls!
[04:59] <bmc> you dont need a modern economic system for hard currency
[04:59] <Linus--> I'm currently hard
[04:59] <Zaw> bmc: who the hell in their right mind is going to trade food and ammunition for
[04:59] <bmc> lump of gold for sack of flour
[04:59] <Publius> Gold is finite
[04:59] <Timur> Linus: hehe
[04:59] <Publius> therefore useless
[04:59] <Publius> ;)
[04:59] <bmc> Zaw gold has value
[04:59] <Linus--> zeezaw
[05:00] <bmc> Zaw if i had extra food and ammunition and no gold i would trade for it
[05:00] <Zaw> Publius: that's a fallacy as well. that's like saying that the ruler has no val
[05:00] <bmc> gold has an inherent value
[05:00] <bmc> simply by the fact that people want it
[05:00] <Hansard> http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/gold_vs_dollar.bmp
[05:00] <Publius> Zaw: I am saying that money will run out if it was based in gold
[05:00] <bmc> people dont want useless paper
[05:00] <Zaw> bmc: something is valued if people want it. perhaps people would want gold, per
[05:00] <Publius> which is kind of why it isn't...
[05:00] <Linus--> you'd trade guns and ammo for gold so that the other guy can stick you up
[05:00] <bmc> they want the value it holds
[05:00] <bmc> tha value can just as easily be represented in gold
[05:00] <Timur> wow, what a totally lame analogy
[05:01] <Zaw> Publius: i know what you're saying, and i'm telling you that it's a fallacy.
[05:04] <Zaw> Linus--: hehe exactly
[05:04] <Timur> it can be represented in silver, in oil, in diamonds, in frozen concentrated
[05:04] <Dominus> Wee, a new Iron Curtain.
[05:04] <Linus--> ive got spurs that jingle jangle jingle - for sale
[05:04] * Timur watches Zaw try to hold his own
[05:04] <Dominus> I can see the guards shooting from the watch towers already :)
[05:04] <beeper1> like
[05:04] * Zaw watches Timur drool on himself
[05:04] <beeper1> if aliens ever came to earth
[05:04] <beeper1> they'd make fun of us for worshiping gold
[05:04] <Linus--> but diamonds?
[05:04] <bmc> they would probably want it
[05:04] <Timur> Zaw: wow, you sound almost elitist in your condescension ;)
[05:04] <Linus--> they're forever!
[05:04] <bmc> seeing as how many they wouldnt have any
[05:04] <bmc> -many
[05:04] <Publius> Dominus: wha?
[05:04] <Timur> diamonds ah forev-AH, and ev-AH..
[05:04] <Linus--> they wouldnt want to haul heavy ass gold on their ships
[05:04] <Dominus> The fence at the Mexican border :)
[05:04] <bmc> you can make fancy jewelry out of it
[05:04] <Timur> bmc: lol
[05:04] <bmc> eletronic components
[05:04] <beeper1> i dont think weight has much bearing on beings that can traverse time and s
[05:04] <Publius> Dominus: LOL
[05:04] <beeper1> weight is relative
[05:04] <Publius> the chain link fence of tyranny!
[05:04] <bmc> electronic*
[05:04] <Timur> on Jupiter gold is worthless!
[05:04] <Katey> Any sort of thing of value can be currency
[05:04] <Katey> sheesh
[05:04] <bmc> what else do ya do with gold?
[05:04] <beeper1> lol
[05:04] <Dominus> I just thought I'd make a nice analogy to get things heated up, heh.
[05:04] <Katey> If you live in a time or place where daisies are highly valued, then you'll t
[05:04] <bmc> gold makes more sense as coin for a common currency
[05:04] * Timur gives Katey a daisy
[05:04] <beeper1> katey: im just saying, its silly
[05:04] <Linus--> weight will always have a bearing on travel
[05:04] <beeper1> no way
[05:04] <Linus--> you still have to deal with gravity on either end of the trip
[05:04] <Publius> Dominus: the Mexican government is treading a very think line right now
[05:04] <bmc> 1 oz of gold is > $500
[05:05] <Publius> thin
[05:05] <bmc> theres not much weight involved
[05:05] <Katey> Imagining some sort of collapse of society/post apocalyptic era.....I don't t
[05:05] <Katey> fuel, food, weapons, etc
[05:05] <beeper1> linus: whose to say you cant permanently manipulate the gravity around the
[05:05] <bmc> gold would still have value
[05:05] <Dominus> Publius: well, for history's sake, they should build the fence to keep peop
[05:05] <beeper1> using fields
[05:05] <Katey> not really. It's got no practical use
[05:05] <bmc> gold had greater value than that before our system
[05:05] <Timur> I agree with Zaw in the sense that the very vague sense of currency valuation
[05:05] <bmc> before modern economies
[05:05] <Linus--> using energy fields that consume energy
[05:06] <Publius> Dominus: they are too worried about their southern border
[05:06] <Publius> heh
[05:06] <Timur> but I disagree that the standard must only be gold. Also, the Nazis killed ov
[05:06] <beeper1> linus: if you can get from a star to a star, energy concerns pretty much go
[05:06] <Katey> Timur, heh
[05:07] <Linus--> even if there are wormholes/creases in time, they still don't affect take-o
[05:07] <Timur> Linus: A Wrinkle in Time was a classic book
[05:08] <Katey> Timur, that was the first book I fell in love with
[05:08] <Timur> aw
[05:08] <Linus--> a wrinkle in my face, not so classic
[05:08] <Katey> I got hooked on reading via that book
[05:08] <Timur> wait, what about.. what's the one with the dog that had a clock in its side,
[05:08] <Katey> Timur, yeah. Phantom Tollbooth
[05:08] <Linus--> sesame street?
[05:08] <beeper1> linus: the energy to create a wormhole, then repel the forces that would cr
[05:08] <Katey> I just finished reading that to my son
[05:08] <Publius> "sunny days"
[05:09] <Linus--> beeper1, so we agree
[05:09] <Linus--> weight matters ;)
[05:09] <Timur> right!
[05:09] <beeper1> no
[05:09] <beeper1> it doesnt
[05:09] <Timur> I always forget that name
[05:09] <beeper1> gravity is the weakest force in the universe
[05:09] <beeper1> you can make gold weightless easier than travelling between stars :P
[05:09] <Linus--> <beeper1> gravity is the weakest force in the universe
[05:09] <blaaz> form is all that matters
[05:09] <Linus--> ok then
[05:10] <Linus--> gravity does a pretty damn good job keeping the planets hanging around our
[05:10] <beeper1> sorry
[05:10] <beeper1> im a big science geek when it comes to cosmology
[05:10] <blaaz> gravity is weak subatomicly
[05:10] <Publius> only because the sun is fuckin humongo
[05:11] <beeper1> linus...it does, but it takes something the size of the sun to do it
[05:11] <bmc> golds value doesnt have to be assigned, it will find its own level demand, p
[05:11] * blaaz has a subatomic love of logic
[05:11] <bmc> there will always be a demand
[05:11] <Timur> bmc: exactly, but the demand can and does shift
[05:11] <beretta96> its not about the size of the sun its about the mass of it and the mass o
[05:11] <Linus--> cosmo kramer
[05:11] <Publius> but in comparison to nuclear and electromagnetic forces
[05:11] <Publius> gravity is weaker
[05:12] <Linus--> nuclear forces?
[05:12] <Publius> size = mass, my bad
[05:12] <beeper1> linus: it takes the mass of the planet to keep you tied to the surface, but
[05:12] <beretta96> linus is in need of some physics classes
[05:12] <Publius> Linus: the forces that hold atoms and subatomic particles together
[05:12] <Linus--> ok, just checking
[05:12] <Publius> Linus: when you break that in like...uranium
[05:12] <Linus--> beretta96, i am?
[05:12] <Publius> hiroshima go boom
[05:12] * beretta96 was a physics major once upon a time :)
[05:13] <Linus--> I'm not the one claiming size = greater gravity
[05:13] <Publius> i already friggin correct myself
[05:13] <Publius> ed
[05:13] <beeper1> there's a fifth force we don't really understand at all which seems to be t
[05:13] <Publius> liberalism
[05:13] <beeper1> which is why they theorize that gravity is so weak
[05:14] <Linus--> lets see, take gold or water onboard?
[05:14] <beretta96> macho and wimps are the two dominant theories behind dark matter at least
[05:14] <Publius> agua!!
[05:14] <bmc> oh god
[05:14] <beeper1> dark matter is one thing
[05:14] <bmc> haha
[05:14] <beeper1> dark energy is something seperate
[05:14] <beretta96> wimps = weakly interactive massive particles
[05:14] <Linus--> therefore, water, which costs thousands of times less per oz than gold, is
[05:15] <Linus--> so, lets return to original question
[05:15] <bmc> Linus-- you can buy water with gold
[05:15] <Timur> Linus: you've obviously never met Alients
[05:15] <beeper1> actually
[05:15] <Timur> Alients love t gold
[05:15] <Linus--> why would aliens want heavy ass gold on ships?
[05:15] <beeper1> water wouldnt be that valuable in space
[05:15] <beeper1> its everywhere
[05:15] <Timur> becoz they can eat it dumdum
[05:15] <beeper1> comets...polar regions
[05:15] <Publius> cause they need to have bling
[05:15] <Publius> *duh*
[05:15] <Linus--> ah
[05:15] <Timur> lol
[05:15] <Timur> they're all chavs
[05:15] <beeper1> also, its highly doubtful that aliens would need to consume water to surviv
[05:16] <beeper1> we can't anthropomorphize aliens based on earth conditions
[05:16] <Linus--> what?
[05:16] <bmc> its highly probably they would find value in precious metals
[05:16] * Publius yawns
[05:16] * beretta96 passes gas and gags
[05:16] <bmc> and likely have precious metals of their own
[05:16] <bmc> proable*
[05:16] <Publius> someone wake me when we are fighting the battle that unites the human race
[05:16] <bmc> orobable!
[05:16] <Linus--> ive heard no scientist claim that water isn't necessary for biologicial lif
[05:16] <bmc> grrrr
[05:16] * Publius dreams of subjucating aliens
[05:16] <Katey> beeper1, wouldn't that all depend on where these aliens are from?
[05:16] <beeper1> linus: here
[05:16] <bmc> probable.
[05:16] <beeper1> katey: exactly
[05:16] <beeper1> but we can't assume they'd all need water to survive
[05:17] <Linus--> oh geez
[05:17] <Katey> beeper1, well, we can't assume either way
[05:17] <beeper1> right
[05:17] <beeper1> linus was asserting they'd want water
[05:17] <Katey> they might
[05:17] <Linus--> so basically you're throwing out all current theories for one of your own
[05:17] <Katey> they might not
[05:17] <Timur> they actually want blood
[05:17] <bmc> if they didnt have water they would degenerate into dust
[05:17] <Timur> !
[05:17] <bmc> :P
[05:17] <Timur> what if they're silicon based isntead of carbon
[05:17] <Katey> they want our broccoli!
[05:17] <beeper1> bmc: what if they were already made of dust :P
[05:18] <bmc> hah
[05:18] <beeper1> timur: highly possible
[05:18] <Linus--> then they're condoms
[05:18] <bmc> dust monsters!
[05:18] <Publius> god damn aliens won't get my blood!
[05:18] <Linus--> which prevent life!
[05:18] <beeper1> lol
[05:18] <Timur> more ammo!
[05:18] <Katey> Timur, yeah! Like in Masters of Orion!
[05:18] <Timur> yeah!
[05:18] * beeper1 is a silicoid
[05:18] * Timur steals Zaw's ammo and gold
[05:18] <bmc> they obviously must be destroyed
[05:18] <Timur> I hope they're not like Daleks
[05:18] <beeper1> katey: id you ever liked Masters of Orion you need to get Galactic Civiliza
[05:19] * Katey redecorates Zaw's bunker
[05:19] <Timur> those guys are bulletproof!
[05:19] <Publius> if they are half as cool an enemy as the Russians, I'll be happy
[05:19] <Linus--> real men wear pink!
[05:19] <Timur> Katey: bonsai fits just perfectly in the corner
[05:19] <Katey> Timur, right.
[05:19] <Timur> paranoid irc bunker makeovers, next, on ABC
[05:19] <beeper1> the first day aliens visit, you know that someone will want to have sex wit
[05:19] <Katey> the ficus will go over....there!, by the gun locker
[05:19] <compdoc> bonsai need lots of light, no?
[05:19] <Timur> haha
[05:20] <beeper1> comp: when you first raise them you shouldnt keep them in direct sun
[05:20] <Publius> holy shit fox is showing the landing of that big ass airbus
[05:20] <Publius> in london
[05:20] <Publius> live
[05:20] <beeper1> but after that then yes
[05:20] <Timur> comp: yap, but the bunker has one of those grow lamps; it was being used for
[05:20] <Katey> Next up, how to make your own machine gun cozies!
[05:20] <Timur> lol
[05:20] <bmc> a bunker would be a cool thing to have
[05:20] <Publius> 8 stories high
[05:20] <compdoc> the bunker? sounds like that Lost tv show
[05:20] <Publius> tall
[05:20] <Katey> no thanks
[05:21] <bmc> buried under a mountain
[05:21] <beeper1> man
[05:21] <Katey> I need sunlight
[05:21] <beeper1> Lost started off so good
[05:21] <Linus--> gawd these new airbus 380's are grotesquely huge
[05:21] <Linus--> 8 stories tall
[05:21] <beeper1> grotesquely huge airplanes are l33t
[05:21] <Publius> Linus: it's almost texas big
[05:21] <Linus--> Lost sux now
[05:21] <Katey> nah
[05:21] <beeper1> agreed
[05:21] <Katey> it's still good
[05:21] <Linus--> what a joke of a program
[05:21] <bmc> you could have a whole underground complex
[05:21] <Katey> It really picked up about halfway through this season
[05:21] <Publius> ROME -- Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi said Thursday the war in Iraq w
[05:21] <Publius> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR200605180
[05:21] <Linus--> theres more people in Lost than in all on puerto rico!
[05:21] <beeper1> lost got better in the last few eps but s2 sucked in the beginning
[05:21] <bmc> for emergency storage and what not
[05:22] <bmc> growing dope
[05:22] <Publius> Ah Prodi...you ex-commie coward
[05:22] <compdoc> Linus, lol
[05:22] * Timur sends Prodi to the local mosques in Milan to be decapitated
[05:22] <beeper1> what killed season 2 for me was that big break they took
[05:22] <Katey> beeper1, yeah. I didn't think much of the first few episodes of season2
[05:22] <Timur> http://bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=33
[05:22] <bmc> so berlusconi is gone?
[05:22] <Publius> yah
[05:22] <Linus--> oh come on, being stuck on an island undiscovered wioth 100s of people now?
[05:22] <Timur> bmc: yeah, he finally conceded like.. 2-3 wks ago
[05:22] <Linus--> gimme a break
[05:22] <Katey> wasn't Berlusconi a crook?
[05:23] <bmc> Katey hes on the billionaires list
[05:23] <bmc> pretty high up there too
[05:23] <Publius> "We are convinced participants in the war against terrorism, even militaril
[05:23] <bmc> :P
[05:23] <Publius> Katey: yah
[05:23] <Timur> Katey: eh.. compared to whom? :)
[05:23] <Publius> Vote for the gansta or the commie!
[05:23] <Katey> Timur, um...compared to people who aren't crooks?
[05:23] <Publius> glad I don't live in Italy
[05:24] <Linus--> pretty soon they'll change the name to Found! but the rest of the world is
[05:24] <bmc> hes the richest man in the country
[05:24] <bmc> and they vote him prime minister
[05:24] <bmc> ??? :P
[05:24] <Timur> Katey: oh, I thought compared to politicians generally, and Italian ones more
[05:24] <beeper1> i wonder what the point of Lost will turn out to be
[05:24] <bmc> that would be like america electing bill gates (assuming gates was a political
[05:24] <Timur> Italy's beautiful, I've enjoyed visiting there immensely, but I'm not sure if
[05:24] <Katey> Timur, well, politicians generally....you'd then have to be talking degrees o
[05:24] <Publius> On a different topic, Prodi also vowed to do everything in his power to hel
[05:24] <Publius> "And also to consolidate and enrich ... the historic alliance with the Unit
[05:24] <Publius> ROFL
[05:24] <Linus--> that we can turn a buck on poorly planned shows
[05:24] <Timur> Katey: precisely!
[05:24] <Publius> yah
[05:24] <Publius> thats right
[05:25] <Katey> okay, I have to go get dressed and take the kids to school
[05:25] <Katey> ttyl
[05:25] * Katey is now known as KateyAFK
[05:25] <beeper1> later katey
[05:25] <compdoc> theyre trying to find jimmy hoffa. heh
[05:25] <Linus--> make em walk
[05:25] <bmc> no big yellow cheese wagon?
[05:25] <Linus--> whiny kids these days
[05:25] <Linus--> districts don't own buses anymore
[05:25] <bmc> heh
[05:26] <Linus--> it true
[05:26] <Linus--> :)
[05:26] <bmc> where?
[05:26] <Publius> KATHMANDU (Reuters) - Nepal's reinstated parliament on Thursday unanimously
[05:26] <Linus--> for most, it was one of the first costs cut
[05:26] <Publius> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-
[05:26] <Linus--> in CA anyway
[05:26] <bmc> blah
[05:27] <bmc> CA != USA
[05:27] <Linus--> shaddap 426Publius
[05:27] <Linus--> ;)
[05:27] <bmc> pretty sure buses run here even in the cities
[05:27] <bmc> cant say for sure though
[05:27] <bmc> i dont go to school and dont have kids
[05:27] <bmc> but damn i dont see them and get stuck behind them
[05:27] <Publius> o_O
[05:27] <Linus--> dist here is reinstating some bus service because traffic around schools ha
[05:28] <bmc> thats bullshit anyways, not having buses
[05:28] <Linus--> it is expensive for the districts though
[05:28] <bmc> they cant afford buses cause they have to pay for all those illegal aliens kids
[05:28] <Linus--> very
[05:29] <Linus--> states being bankrupt might have something to do with it
[05:29] <bmc> why are the states bankrupt?
[05:29] <Linus--> unfunded fed mandates?
[05:30] <bmc> one would only assume extra burden brought on by a mass influx of illegal alien
[05:30] <Linus--> enron energy deals?
[05:30] * _voxbox is now known as voxbox
[05:30] <Linus--> bmc, of course it doesnt
[05:30] <Linus--> and it taxes the schools ,no doubt
[05:30] <Linus--> burdens rather
[05:30] <bmc> especially in CA
[05:31] <Linus--> yep
[05:31] <Linus--> arnold in lection year fully funds schools for first time
[05:31] <Linus--> what a joke
[05:31] <Linus--> election
[05:31] <bmc> arnold didnt like the NG on the border idea
[05:31] <Linus--> its a dumb idea
[05:31] <bmc> i thought he would break into a terminator monologue or something
[05:32] <bmc> but no, he didnt like it
[05:32] <Publius> it interes with his plan to teleport his cyborg armies into Cali from the f
[05:32] <Publius> from the future before into cali
[05:32] <Linus--> really?
[05:32] * Publius nods
[05:32] <Linus--> didn't know that
[05:32] <Linus--> *SMACK*
[05:32] <Publius> bwahahahahaha
[05:32] <bmc> arnold still thinks hes gonna be president doesnt he
[05:32] <bmc> haha
[05:33] <bmc> yea lets amend the constitution just for arnold!
[05:33] <Linus--> i doubt it
[05:33] <bmc> what a stupid idea
[05:33] <Linus--> he's miffed he wasn't even consulted
[05:33] <Linus--> about the NG
[05:33] <bmc> thats one of the provisions i hope they keep forever
[05:33] <bmc> -natural born citizen-
[05:34] <Linus--> id have to agree
[05:34] <Timur> same
[05:34] <Linus--> but soon it won't mean much
[05:34] <bmc> it will
[05:34] <Linus--> since children born to illegals are naturals
[05:34] <bmc> immigrants intergrate into american society eventually
[05:34] <bmc> look at the AG
[05:35] <bmc> sonf of immigrants
[05:35] <bmc> as american as you or me
[05:35] <bmc> just listen to him
[05:35] <bmc> :P
[05:35] <Linus--> well, it'll be interesting when the first child of illegal immigrants runs
[05:35] <bmc> youd have to convince me he was hispanic
[05:36] <Linus--> probably already have actually
[05:36] <bmc> thats probably what it keeping alot of illegal aliens from assimilating, theyre
[05:36] <bmc> they cant really assimilate
[05:37] <Linus--> plus we've assimiltaed to them
[05:37] <bmc> i heard this interesting fact yesterday
[05:37] <bmc> when visiting the white houses website
[05:38] <bmc> one has the choice of english or spanish
[05:38] <Linus--> all these food products packaged in bilingual lately
[05:38] <Linus--> yet we don't bend over backwards for asian immigrants
[05:38] <bmc> i say we amend the constitution for that
[05:38] <bmc> english is the de-facto official language
[05:39] <bmc> all governmental proceedings, all signs, all government documents
[05:39] <Linus--> won't happen now
[05:39] <bmc> english and english only
[05:39] <Linus--> to much courting of the latino vote
[05:39] <Linus--> too
[05:39] <bmc> teddy roosevelt said it best!
[05:39] <bmc> we have room but for one language, and that is the english language...
[05:40] <bmc> we have room but for one sole loyalty, and that is a loyalty to the american pe
[05:40] <Linus--> and pie!
[05:40] <beeper1> and porn
[05:40] <Linus--> the 3 p's
[05:40] <bmc> 3?
[05:41] <Linus--> people, pie, and porn
[05:41] <Timur> porn is the standard against which our currency should be based
[05:41] <Linus--> ha!
[05:41] <Timur> everyone need porn!
[05:41] <Timur> full circle.
[05:41] <Linus--> i based my school's web site design on porn template
[05:41] <Linus--> j/k!
[05:41] <beeper1> yes
[05:42] <beeper1> the wealth of nations should be balanaced on boobs
[05:42] <Linus--> welcome to Nuns up your Buns web site
[05:42] <beeper1> the country with the biggest wins
[05:42] <Linus--> china'd be hurting
[05:42] <Timur> and as Americans, with our fatty and hormonally enhanced foodstuffs, we're po
[05:42] <Linus--> african boobs may rule
[05:42] <Timur> actually, chinese bra sizes, I saw on some randomly irc posted news item, are
[05:42] <Timur> *bounds
[05:43] <beeper1> actually
[05:43] <Linus--> yes, eating western burgers
[05:43] <Linus--> hormone influxed
[05:43] <beeper1> ive heard on average that canada has bigger bra sizes on average
[05:43] <Linus--> canada cheats
[05:43] <Linus--> base it on perceived dick size!
[05:43] <bmc> they have extra insulation, to protect them from the cold climate
[05:44] <beeper1> eww
[05:44] <beeper1> i dont want an international penis contest
[05:44] <Linus--> or on overcompensating for small penis
[05:44] <beeper1> brokeback un
[05:44] <Linus--> lol
[05:44] <Linus--> we'd measure suv sizes
[05:44] <Timur> Japan: http://fionnaigh.orcon.net.nz/kanamara3.jpg
[05:44] <bmc> gasoline consumption
[05:44] <bmc> haha
[05:45] <bmc> lets have a race to see who can consume more!
[05:45] <bmc> exxon will love that idea
[05:45] <beeper1> gas eating contest!
[05:45] <compdoc> bigger bra sizes, but are their boobs bigger, or do they just use different
[05:45] <Linus--> russia too
[05:45] <beeper1> comp: i dont think it should be based on bras.
[05:45] <beeper1> it should be based on me having to squeeze them all
[05:45] <compdoc> ahh
[05:45] * Linus-- invents the unibra
[05:45] <bmc> you need a balanced sample after all
[05:46] <compdoc> somebody wake beeper1 - he's dreaming
[05:46] <bmc> say 1000 hot women from each country?
[05:46] <beeper1> i cant be dreaming, i havent slept yet
[05:46] <beeper1> :P
[05:46] <beeper1> 1000
[05:46] <Linus--> actually, compdoc, think about it
[05:46] <beeper1> thats a hard job then
[05:46] <Timur> comp: bigger!
[05:46] <bmc> itll keep you busy
[05:46] <Linus--> it aint no dream job squeezing 80 ur old malaysian tit
[05:46] <beeper1> i think id get tired after the first 200 boobs
[05:46] <Linus--> year
[05:46] <compdoc> think about squeezing women?
[05:46] <beeper1> honking 2000 pairs of mams is just daunting
[05:46] <compdoc> lol
[05:47] <bmc> is it?
[05:47] <beeper1> sure
[05:47] <beeper1> like
[05:47] <compdoc> I think you guys need to get laid
[05:47] <Timur> Linus: http://www.tshirthell.com/images/contestpics/a425_002.jpg
[05:47] <beeper1> im sure you'd get cramps
[05:47] <bmc> well then they can just wiggle them in your face
[05:47] <Timur> comp: I so do. One woman I've been seeing has been away for abit.. :)
[05:47] <bmc> eh?
[05:47] <bmc> use your head man!
[05:47] <Linus--> Timur, eh
[05:47] <beeper1> i honestly think that no one ever buys tshirts from tshirthell
[05:48] <Linus--> Timur, and the other woman?
[05:49] <Timur> Linus: we went to a party, and had a lot to drink.. you know what Shakespeare
[05:53] <Linus--> apparently i don't
[05:54] <Timur> it giveth the desire, but taketh away the ability (or something similar)
[05:55] <Linus--> i didn't get invited to al gores documentary
[05:55] <Linus--> premiere
[05:55] <Timur> aw
[05:56] <Linus--> we're screwed
[05:56] <TheTailor> Who is?
[05:56] <Linus--> we wil, drown oursleves
[05:56] <Timur> that's the problem! not screwed enough
[05:57] <Linus--> stronger hurricanes
[05:57] <TheTailor> 'we' who? You will drown yourselves as Al marches you into the sea
[05:57] <Linus--> rising sea level
[05:57] <TheTailor> There were no stronger hurricanes
[05:58] <TheTailor> And no more than normal world wide.
[05:58] <TheTailor> "if" there are higher sea levels, you will move inland.
[05:58] <beeper1> if there are higher sea levels
[05:58] <TheTailor> So 'we' are not screwed.
[05:59] <beeper1> the world will suffer hugely
[05:59] <Timur> Tailor: that's the problem!!
[05:59] <beeper1> economically
[05:59] <beeper1> all major cities are on the coasts
[05:59] <beeper1> that's what we've always done as a species
[05:59] <wiretapp> or near major waterways
[05:59] <beeper1> yeah
[05:59] <beeper1> so
[05:59] <beeper1> we're talking 50% of cities being wiped out
[06:00] <beeper1> so "no big deal"
[06:00] <beeper1> lol
[06:00] <TheTailor> wiped out!
[06:00] <Timur> I just read about a house in S. Cali, sold for $75 mil
[06:00] <compdoc> I live over 1 mile above sea level - and I'm not letting you stay here
[06:00] <beeper1> like
[06:00] <TheTailor> You make it sound like it would happen overnight
[06:00] <TheTailor> haha
[06:00] <wiretapp> I know I wouldn't invest in oceanfront property right now
[06:00] <beeper1> tailor: it doesnt matter if it happens overnight
[06:00] <Linus--> oops
[06:00] <beeper1> if it happens period we're screwed
[06:00] <bmc> there are more powerful hurricanes according to weather statistics
[06:00] <wiretapp> the fear is that the speed of melting could rapidly increase
[06:00] <TheTailor> beeper1, sure it matters
[06:00] <beeper1> are we just going to move all of our cities inland?
[06:01] <wiretapp> as the ice chunks break apart they melt more quickly
[06:01] <beeper1> like
[06:01] <beeper1> how do you move new york city
[06:01] <TheTailor> beeper1, well yes, we would if need be.
[06:01] <Linus--> melting icebergs don't matter as much as ice over lanfdforms
[06:01] <beeper1> look at what happened in new orleans
[06:01] <beeper1> we cant even handle katrina
[06:01] <blaaz> ecosystem cascade
[06:01] <bmc> melting icebergs dont matter at all
[06:01] <beeper1> how can we evacuate all our cities
[06:01] <wiretapp> hmmm you can't really 'move cities'
[06:01] <TheTailor> Don't build below sea level and you don't have that problem
[06:01] <bmc> their mass is already being accounted for
[06:01] <Linus--> but lack of reflective ice bergs does increase absorption of even more heat
[06:02] <beeper1> dont destroy the globe with pollutants and we dont have that problem
[06:02] <bmc> when you add more water to the pool, the pool overflows
[06:02] <beeper1> which is more practical
[06:02] <TheTailor> Linus--, what lack?
[06:02] <bmc> melting icecaps or icebergs isnt adding to the pool
[06:02] <bmc> merely changing the composition of part of it
[06:02] <Linus--> the increasing lack
[06:02] <TheTailor> beeper1, are you going to cap all the volcanos in the world?
[06:02] <blaaz> water levels are the tip of the iceberg
[06:02] <wiretapp> Greenland is gonna be floating around the Atlantic
[06:03] <TheTailor> lol
[06:03] <beeper1> tailor: don't give me that malarky. volcanos happen periodically and are lo
[06:03] <TheTailor> haha, yeah, greenland is going to float away :-)
[06:03] <wiretapp> TheTailor the CFCs released by volcanos are water soluble and are changed
[06:03] <wiretapp> unlike the CFCs released by us
[06:03] <Timur> Greenland is attached!
[06:03] <wiretapp> but you wouldn't know that from listening to Rush Limbaugh
[06:03] <TheTailor> beeper1, volcanos produce more polution than any other source.
[06:03] <Linus--> besides, we're talking about manmade climate change, not natural
[06:03] <beeper1> i love people who think global warming isnt happening
[06:03] <beeper1> tailor: YES BUT ITS NOT THE SAME POLLUTANT
[06:03] <wiretapp> hmmm how did I get a red line accross my irc
[06:04] <bmc> global warming it normal
[06:04] <bmc> is*
[06:04] <beeper1> there's a big difference between dust in the air and fucking smog
[06:04] <TheTailor> CFC's? Where have you been, they have been cutting those out for 20 year
[06:04] <bmc> it wouldnt matter in either case global warming or global cooling, the doomsaye
[06:04] <wiretapp> TheTailor volcanos don't cause much polution, that is a total myth
[06:04] <bmc> what we perceive as normal isnt necessarily normal
[06:04] <wiretapp> that you would never even hear suggested by anybody from academia
[06:04] <TheTailor> wiretapp, you are an ill informed fool.
[06:05] <beeper1> wire: its not a myth. volcanos have been linked to weather change. but its
[06:05] <wiretapp> TheTailor hmmm I think you should check your facts about volcanos and quit
[06:05] <Timur> hehe
[06:05] <beeper1> manmade global warming is like taking all the volcanos on the planet and tu
[06:05] <wiretapp> and what is causing that red line on my mirc anybody know?
[06:05] <beeper1> at a lower rate of output
[06:06] <TheTailor> wiretapp, I don't listen to Rush, you obviously jump to conclusions witho
[06:06] <blaaz> long live capitalism!
[06:06] <beeper1> tailor: well, you take facts and ignore them
[06:06] <TheTailor> beeper1, what facts?
[06:06] <KoBushi> <beeper1> tailor: well, you take facts and ignore them <--- that d
[06:06] <beeper1> the evidence of global warming
[06:06] <KoBushi> that's like... "you take them, and then you don't take them"
[06:07] <Timur> http://www.newscientist.com/popuparticle.ns?id=in20
[06:07] <TheTailor> beeper1, I didn't ignore global warming, I just know it's a natural event
[06:07] <blaaz> they ignore the fact that 911 was an inside job too
[06:07] <blaaz> tv is very brainwashing
[06:07] <beeper1> tailor: its a natural event, at times, but you are saying there's no manmad
[06:07] <Timur> I saw a report on the news about the decline in water for agriculture from sn
[06:07] <TheTailor> beeper1, building a fire contributes
[06:07] <beeper1> sigh
[06:07] <Timur> I dunno how representative it is
[06:08] <wiretapp> TheTailor I jumped to that conclusion because Rush was the guy who started
[06:08] <TheTailor> beeper1, but man's effect is small at best.
[06:08] <wiretapp> As the aerosols grow and coagulate, they settle down into the upper tropos
[06:08] <wiretapp> dissolved in water droplets in the eruption cloud and quickly fall to the
[06:08] <beeper1> "building a fire contributes" is the equivocation bullshit that republicans
[06:08] <Timur> it can be natural, but isn't necessarily due (entirely) to natural (non-man-m
[06:08] <beeper1> tailor: and what do you base that on besides opinion
[06:08] <TheTailor> wiretapp, 1.) it's not a myth, and 2.) Rush is a boob, you shouldn't be w
[06:08] <Timur> Tailor: agree in re: Rush :)
[06:08] <blaaz> mans effect is HUGE, look at the mercury in the fish for example
[06:09] <wiretapp> TT total myth, look it up on google
[06:09] <beeper1> yeah no shit blaaz
[06:09] <TheTailor> wiretapp, nobody 'justifies' polution, and I certainly never did.
[06:09] <KoBushi> Volcanos don't release CFCs and HCFCs
[06:09] <beeper1> the only science that has ever been put out against global warming is spons
[06:09] <TheTailor> KoBushi, correct
[06:09] <wiretapp> In fact volcanos someitmes cause cooling
[06:10] <Timur> blaaz: finally you post something sensible - heavy metals from industry is a
[06:10] <blaaz> HUGE
[06:10] <TheTailor> wiretapp, right, by blocking wunlight
[06:10] <Linus--> question. Is the planet warming?
[06:10] <Linus--> A. Yes. Since records began around 1860, globally-averaged surface temperat
[06:10] <TheTailor> sunlight
[06:10] <beeper1> volcanos caused cooling when george washington was president...the delaware
[06:10] <Timur> not to mention other industrial pollution; I don't know of a single river or
[06:11] <TheTailor> Linus--, you are absolutely full of shit, NO records of world wide temps
[06:11] <`426Hemi> buahaha Taliban got their asses kicked
[06:11] <beeper1> taliban are still there
[06:11] <TheTailor> Linus--, in fact, there were NONE in 1950.
[06:11] <Timur> there were widespread measurements
[06:11] <TheTailor> At best
[06:11] <beeper1> there's no point in debating science with tailor if his head is in the sand
[06:12] <CryArvach> TT....Captain Greenfreak ison the job!!
[06:12] <Timur> http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/
[06:12] <CryArvach> Go Greenfreak!
[06:12] <`426Hemi> Cry, you mean Al Gore?
[06:12] <Timur> specifically: http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/052.htm#222
[06:12] <beeper1> it's up to timor to prove global warming isn't happening due to man, not th
[06:12] <TheTailor> beeper1, there's no sense in you debating it, because you have a lack of
[06:12] <CryArvach> 426 Captain Greefreak is my name for Captain Planet
[06:12] <wiretapp> F. Sherwood Rowland was surprised by all the volcano questions. As a disti
[06:13] <wiretapp> volcano eruptions have nothing to do with ozone depletion
[06:13] <Linus--> http://www.ipcc.ch/
[06:13] <`426Hemi> ahh, you do know that Captain Planet is really Al Gore right?
[06:13] <Timur> beeper: except my links are proof of global warming.
[06:14] <beeper1> tailor: i took earth science in college, thanks. difference between you and
[06:14] <CryArvach> hrmmm he speaks as eloquently as the algore
[06:14] <Timur> one doesn't deny scientific fact merely because it's either inconvenient or s
[06:14] <KoBushi> ozone depletion isn't neccesarily linked to global warming either though.
[06:15] <beeper1> <TheTailor> Bush said jury still out on evolution! we aren't monkeys!
[06:15] <wiretapp> beeper1 didn't you know only Republicans understand the "natural process"
[06:15] <CryArvach> beeper1 too bad you didnt drink the grape kool-aid
[06:15] <KoBushi> Liquid oxygen was made in 1883... I'm pretty sure there were some decently
[06:16] * CryArvach reprograms the beeper1 to page itself
[06:16] <TheTailor> beeper1, does grasping at atraws make your argument valid? No, it doesn'
[06:16] <Linus--> KoBushi, exactly
[06:16] <Linus--> making my point valid
[06:16] <`426Hemi> yeh right
[06:16] <KoBushi> That reminds me... I've recently noticed the HUGE amount of people who don'
[06:16] <Timur> http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2005/ann/global-blended-temp-pg
[06:17] <TheTailor> KoBushi, sure there were, but they weren't placed all over the planet and
[06:17] <Linus--> its fresh!
[06:17] <Timur> Kob: right, some don't have a proper sense of how to ascribe it..
[06:17] <KoBushi> Especially on the radio... they use "valid" when they should say "sound" an
[06:17] <TheTailor> Linus--, hyour point ins't valid now and never will be, the ability to ge
[06:17] <Linus--> or w/o merit?
[06:18] <CryArvach> I think that is validly sound :|
[06:18] <`426Hemi> http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <--- here you guys,
[06:18] <Timur> Kob: my peeve is the misuse/abuse of 'unique'; something either is or isn't u
[06:18] <TheTailor> Even then it would have been suspect
[06:18] <Linus--> TheTailor, i think i'll believe the IPCC over you
[06:18] <KoBushi> So, I'm adding it to the list along with "turbo" "liberal" and "conservativ
[06:18] <TheTailor> Linus--, you would believe Charlie Brown if he stood behind you.
[06:19] <KoBushi> Timur heh, right, uni = one :P
[06:19] <KoBushi> or, simular anyway
[06:19] * Linus-- sounds KoBushi's parking stub
[06:19] <Timur> Kob: which begs the question; how 'valid' are those terms, given that they do
[06:19] <Timur> Kob: right!
[06:19] <`426Hemi> Predicting what will happen to carbon dioxide over the next century is a r
[06:19] <beeper1> lol
[06:19] <beeper1> yeah
[06:19] <TheTailor> Linus--, can you give me the day by day fall temperatures of mid Nigeria
[06:19] <CryArvach> Linus believes in the power of peanuts
[06:19] <beeper1> the cato institute is not a science orginization
[06:19] <TheTailor> Linus--, NO, you can't.
[06:19] <`426Hemi> Global warming science is neither predictable, nor accurate
[06:19] <beeper1> try again sherlok
[06:19] <Linus--> and that has what to do with anything?
[06:20] <beeper1> that has to do with WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUCKING SCIENCE
[06:20] <wiretapp> my god they are still looking for jimmy hoffa
[06:20] <wiretapp> this has got to be a political stunt
[06:20] <beeper1> jesus
[06:20] <KoBushi> Timur those terms are not useful really imo... I prefer a 2-axis political
[06:20] <Linus--> i wasn't addressing beeper
[06:20] <Linus--> jesus!
[06:20] <TheTailor> beeper1, right, and if you are talking science, you need DATA...you don't
[06:20] <beeper1> lol
[06:20] <KoBushi> acis>axis
[06:20] <beeper1> Tailor: you don't have any data!
[06:20] <beeper1> pot, kettle!
[06:21] <wiretapp> They can't tell you day by day temperatures in unrecorded places but they
[06:21] <Timur> Kob: I agree
[06:21] <Linus--> anyone still in denial about the insulating effects CO2 has is just blind
[06:21] <beeper1> yeah
[06:21] <wiretapp> blinded by politics
[06:21] <Timur> like that online politics test
[06:21] <Linus--> combine that with the increase in heat aborbtion areas
[06:21] <Timur> http://www.okcupid.com/politics
[06:21] <TheTailor> beeper1, how did global warming happen between the ice ages prior to man'
[06:21] <Timur> Tailor: NOAA has and has had data
[06:22] <Timur> hence the graphs, see.
[06:22] <`426Hemi> The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Working Group I's model refe
[06:22] <Linus--> global warming iosnt about cyclical climate change
[06:22] <beeper1> tailor: that's a fallacy. we're not discussing previous ice ages. we're dis
[06:22] <`426Hemi> the data that was collected by the NOAA is NOT ACCURATE
[06:22] <wiretapp> TheTailor the earth has warmed and cooled before but not this rapidly with
[06:22] <TheTailor> Timur, since when? We need about 5000 years of data, do they have that?
[06:22] <Linus--> its about unnaturally accelrated climate change
[06:22] <KoBushi> Speaking of Co2, I belive we should replace R134a with R744 (CO2) as the au
[06:22] <wiretapp> actually yes they people studying this have way more than 5000 years of da
[06:22] <TheTailor> wiretapp, well you would need data to say that, you don't have it.
[06:22] <Timur> Tailor: we 'need'? :)
[06:22] <Timur> why
[06:23] <`426Hemi> Scientists as of lately have predicted that ANYTIME in the past when Globa
[06:23] <beeper1> People who say there isn't any global warming is the same crowd that believ
[06:23] <TheTailor> Timur, well you may not, just understand that you are playing with guessw
[06:23] <`426Hemi> until you wake hte fuck up and smell the coffee, you will continually run
[06:23] <beeper1> im tired of middle america thinking they have a clue about science
[06:23] <KoBushi> beeper1 that's a silly assumption
[06:23] <beeper1> is it?
[06:23] <`426Hemi> Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the
[06:24] <TheTailor> beeper1, nobody said global warming doesn't exist, it's a natural event.
[06:24] <Timur> Tailor: I'd say a graph showing consistently rising temps 1860-now is pretty
[06:24] <`426Hemi> I am going to take Richard Lindzen's word for it over beepers anyday
[06:24] <KoBushi> beeper1 yes, it isn't true that everyone who discounts global warming belie
[06:24] <Timur> what it means is another matter, but its there.
[06:24] <beeper1> then why do middle americans want to ban evolution still and discuss "intel
[06:24] <beeper1> ko: it makes it more likely. it's all politicized psuedo-science
[06:24] <KoBushi> beeper1 not all do
[06:25] <TheTailor> Timur, again, there wasn't any reliable global temperature data in 1860,
[06:25] <`426Hemi> It is still of interest to ask what we would expect a doubling of carbon d
[06:25] <Timur> the measurements taken weren't reliable/
[06:25] <Timur> ?
[06:25] <beeper1> thetailor: you have talked out of your ass for like 100 lines and have yet
[06:25] <KoBushi> beeper1 why do you want to put narrow labels on large groups that do not re
[06:25] <TheTailor> Timur, even if you had accurate temp data from 1860, you would need anoth
[06:26] <`426Hemi> http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <--- he doesn't have
[06:26] * Lupine wonders how they took the global ocean surface temperatures from around the world
[06:26] <beeper1> ko: when people in those areas vote people out that spew psuedo-science, th
[06:26] <`426Hemi> now come down from your pier of hatred and join the rest of humanity inste
[06:26] <TheTailor> beeper1, it's called COMMON SENSE, that's what you lack, and I'm tired of
[06:26] <beeper1> duide
[06:26] <beeper1> common sense said the earth was the center of the solar system
[06:26] <Timur> Tailor: I don't buy that 5000 years has to be *the only* standard.
[06:26] <beeper1> when was comman sense science
[06:26] <starly> beeper1 is banned (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: Come back tomorrow IF yo
[06:26] <KoBushi> beeper1 so, you think that those people win thier elections 99.9 to 0.1?
[06:26] <Lupine> the daily temperature in virtually all the world swings quite a few degrees.
[06:27] <TheTailor> Timur, ok, 3000 years
[06:27] <Timur> in fact, I think such an assertion is a deliberate tactic to ignore the entir
[06:27] <Timur> even 3000
[06:27] <Timur> nothing wrong with 150
[06:27] <TheTailor> TimothyWT, the fact is, there was global warming and cooling prior to man
[06:27] <wiretapp> We know the temperatures of thousands and thousands of years ago
[06:27] <Timur> right, core samples, etc
[06:27] <wiretapp> I don't know what yall are talking about
[06:27] <`426Hemi> It is commonly suggested that society should not depend on negative feedba
[06:28] <TheTailor> Ice core samples are REGIONAL data.
[06:28] <Lupine> wire: if "core samples" are so accurate.. why do we not use them for today's
[06:28] <Linus--> wiretapp, no kidding
[06:28] <compdoc> looks like we're going into the fence building biz
[06:28] <`426Hemi> Yet clouds reflect about seventy-five watts per square meter. Given that a
[06:28] <Linus--> Lupine, huh?
[06:28] <Timur> right, and the world is composed.. of REGIONS. :)
[06:28] <Lupine> linus: yes, that is what I say as well. If these measurements for the past
[06:28] <Linus--> there's no core to test in present day
[06:29] <Lupine> linus: bingo. you are comparing temperatures measured in a different way.
[06:29] <TheTailor> And you have core samples from 'some' regions, ONE primarily, greenland.
[06:29] <wiretapp> Lupine because we have thermometors?
[06:29] <`426Hemi> Similarly, factors involving the contribution of snow cover to reflectivit
[06:29] <wiretapp> and core samples aren't the only way
[06:29] <wiretapp> there are many indicators
[06:29] <Lupine> anytime one tries to compare results obtained from different measurement sta
[06:29] <Timur> ok brb
[06:30] <Lupine> the daily temperature fluctuates during the entire day. we now measure that,
[06:30] <Linus--> lup, that's why they use standard deviations and chi squares to normlaizer
[06:30] <Linus--> these are statistically significant differences
[06:31] <TheTailor> LOL
[06:31] <Lupine> but they are measured in totally different ways
[06:31] <TheTailor> Someone turn on the fan and blow away Linus--'s smokescreen!
[06:31] <Linus--> wow
[06:31] <`426Hemi> heh, Oh Noes its global warming! even though we had the coldest spring on
[06:31] <TheTailor> Oh, the wind will do it, nevermind
[06:31] <Lupine> most people do not seem to even realize that, and take it for granted withou
[06:31] <Linus--> you guys know northing of how data are compared
[06:31] <KoBushi> Lupine is a digital thermometer any less accurate than a mercury one?
[06:32] <`426Hemi> Linus http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg15n2g.html <--- Go read..
[06:32] <TheTailor> Linus--, what data, you don't have any yet, come back in 1000 yearsw
[06:32] <Lupine> linus: i know how the measurements are made
[06:32] <KoBushi> There are tons of ways to measure a temp.. they give the same resaults unle
[06:32] <Lupine> Kobushi: depending on the other conditions, yes.
[06:32] <`426Hemi> Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the
[06:32] <`426Hemi> apparently knows the data is bullshit
[06:32] <Lupine> Kobushi: okay, tell me the temperature of the surface water at 5pm, 500 mile
[06:33] <`426Hemi> To show why I assert that there is no substantive basis for predictions of
[06:33] <Timur> Nevertheless, we have already seen a significant increase in carbon dioxide t
[06:33] <Lupine> oh wait, you didn't have mecury or digital thermometers
[06:33] <KoBushi> Lupine I'm not a paleantological climatologist :)
[06:33] <wiretapp> in 1000 years there will no longer be a London or NYC if the rising sea-le
[06:33] <`426Hemi> Timur, he is not saying "DON'T study it!"
[06:33] <TheTailor> wiretapp, yes, *IF*
[06:33] <`426Hemi> he is saying "USE ACCURATE FUCKING DATA!"
[06:34] <Lupine> accurate fucking data? lol
[06:34] <Herzen> global warming must be an issue I care nearly the least about
[06:34] <KoBushi> accurae fucking data = kama sutra?
[06:34] <Lupine> Herzen: hell, if true.. it'll make your place nicer to live in :-)
[06:34] <TheTailor> wiretapp, and IF the sea level rises, the city will move.
[06:34] <CryArvach> In 1000 years, I doubt it will make a difference
[06:34] <wiretapp> TheTailor skyscrapers are immovable objects
[06:35] <CryArvach> in that time frame, we will be out in space....or extinct
[06:35] <wiretapp> they can be destroyed but not moved
[06:35] <TheTailor> Frankly, losing that shithole NYC would be good for mankind.
[06:35] <CryArvach> bbiab
[06:35] <wiretapp> also Hong Kong and Tokyo
[06:35] <TheTailor> wiretapp, remember 9-11? Thos moved.
[06:35] * `426Hemi nods at Tailor
[06:35] <Timur> Rusty: he's also saying that a rise has been seen and is worth paying attenti
[06:35] <Herzen> TheTailor, Global Warming is coming! Invest now in housebolt manufacturers!
[06:35] <Herzen> boat*
[06:35] <Linus--> extinct
[06:35] <`426Hemi> Timur, now read on
[06:35] <Linus--> hopefully, because imagine the debt!
[06:35] <TheTailor> Herzen, I can't wait, I own land 600 feet up :-)
[06:36] <Timur> I would, but I gotta grade some tests. will read later; thanks for the link
[06:36] <Herzen> thet is gonna have beachfront property
[06:36] <Linus--> kato.org
[06:36] <Linus--> rofl
[06:36] <KoBushi> bleh, I've got to go to Zaxby's and rewire a thermostat... but I'm feeling
[06:36] <Publius> I support bringing the northern expanses of our planet away from the clutch
[06:36] <Linus--> install a core sample
[06:36] <`426Hemi> Cato Institute, duh
[06:36] <Publius> it is subejcted to
[06:36] <Publius> !
[06:36] <Timur> Herz: did you see my posts yesterday?
[06:37] <DarthBurg> Herzen is it true you live in canada and purchased a fire arm?
[06:38] <`426Hemi> heh gotta grade papers
[06:40] <TheTailor> A firearm in Cananda? Do they have those?
[06:40] <`426Hemi> Richard S. Lindzen is the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the
[06:40] <DarthBurg> TheTailor as long as its not an Evil Child Killing Pistol
[06:40] <KoBushi> Hum, If I hook this IMA motor up to line voltage, it'd only run about 400rp
[06:41] * Timur slaps Herzen around a bit with a large trout
[06:42] <KoBushi> So in operation this thing ranges from 90hz to 450hz.
[06:43] <KoBushi> well anyway, off to zaxby's
[06:43] <bmc> hrm, his quit message looks like an ssh message
[06:44] <wiretapp> off to zaxby's? its 9am
[06:44] <wiretapp> me thinks he prolly eats to much chicken
[06:44] <`426Hemi> I saw Munich last night
[06:44] <`426Hemi> it was ok
[06:44] <wiretapp> I loved it
[06:45] <`426Hemi> but leave it to Spielberg to politicise it at the end
[06:45] <`426Hemi> and showed the 2 towers still standing
[06:46] <wiretapp> I didn't even notice that
[06:46] <Publius> lol
[06:46] <Publius> that was the whole freakin point
[06:46] <wiretapp> or I don't remember
[06:46] <wiretapp> what do you mean
[06:46] <CryArvach> wahwahwah...porr widdle Catholics are upset at attack on their dogma!!!
[06:46] <wiretapp> what was the point
[06:46] <CryArvach> Publinder
[06:47] <Publius> by showing the two towers, imo, speilburg is implying that america should e
[06:47] <Timur> brb
[06:47] <Publius> or our involvement with Israel ultimately lead to 9/11
[06:47] <`426Hemi> Publius, i thought it was going to be more historically accurate
[06:47] <`426Hemi> bullshit
[06:47] <Publius> I agree
[06:47] <Publius> with point 1
[06:47] <Timur> Pub: that's one implication, which is total b.s. anyway imo
[06:47] <Publius> not 2
[06:47] <Publius> right
[06:47] <Publius> that implication is foolish...and Spieburg isn't known for his foolishnesse
[06:47] <Timur> no, they're both wrong
[06:47] <wiretapp> of course America shoudl act differently
[06:47] <Timur> he's got an excess of conscience.
[06:47] <`426Hemi> we got blowed up because Bin-Laden is a spoiled piece of shit rich kid who
[06:47] <wiretapp> thats not politicizings thats an object truth
[06:48] <Timur> nice person, not real effective in terms of dealing with real-world issues
[06:48] <wiretapp> I blame the CIA
[06:48] <wiretapp> they trained him originally
[06:48] <Publius> for me
[06:48] <wiretapp> they have a history of fucking shit up
[06:48] <Publius> the showing of the Towers simply stated that America is involved
[06:48] <Timur> it's so not just about that
[06:48] <wiretapp> "blowback" as they call it
[06:48] <`426Hemi> "we killed terrorists only to have them replaced by worse terrorists"
[06:48] <Timur> in fact, that's not even that relevant.
[06:48] <`426Hemi> yeh right whatever
[06:48] <wiretapp> CIA backfires so much they had to create a new work
[06:48] <Publius> nothing more
[06:48] <`426Hemi> so shall we not kill the fuckers?
[06:50] <`426Hemi> should we just take our lumps and deal with it?
[06:50] <Timur> the history of the clash between this newer form of Jihadist ISlam and the We
[06:50] <wiretapp> I didn't even make that connection
[06:50] <`426Hemi> momentarily feel bad that 3000 people or more die in the next attack and "
[06:50] <Publius> bin laden planned the attack, the taliban harbored him
[06:50] <Publius> we acted correctly
[06:50] <wiretapp> What about Iraq
[06:50] <Publius> it was an exercise of post 9/11 foreign policy
[06:50] <wiretapp> Afghanistan offered to give up Bin Laden to be tried in a neutral country
[06:50] <Publius> BS
[06:50] <Publius> the taliban
[06:50] <Publius> the government
[06:50] <wiretapp> they offered might not have been true
[06:50] <Publius> harbored him and allowed him to plan his operation
[06:51] <Timur> you want some insight into the modern Mideast, read some Robert Kaplan
[06:51] <bmc> i had a question about this NSA phone records things
[06:51] <bmc> if its legal and voluntarily, why have all three phone companies names came out
[06:51] <bmc> when admin officials have confirmed such a program exists
[06:52] <bmc> named*
[06:52] <wiretapp> haha
[06:52] <wiretapp> because their ass is on the line
[06:53] <Timur> because they don't want bitchy ass Americans who don't get the idea of terror
[06:53] <wiretapp> ATT is about to pay big
[06:53] <Publius> because they don't want to lose customers
[06:53] <wiretapp> EFF has their asses on the run
[06:53] <bmc> its because they are in violation of the law
[06:53] <bmc> phone records and length of calls is not aggregate information
[06:53] <wiretapp> also lots of customers calling and cancelling/complaining to those compani
[06:53] <bmc> it still has individually indentifiable information on it
[06:53] <bmc> your phone number... the phone numbers you called
[06:53] <bmc> are both individually indentifiable
[06:53] <wiretapp> oh yea they totally know who you are
[06:53] <wiretapp> from your phone records
[06:53] <bmc> the information allowed to be shared by law
[06:53] <Publius> turn on c-span
[06:53] <bmc> has to have any individually identifiable information removed
[06:54] <Publius> the cia director confirmation hearing
[06:54] <`426Hemi> 2008 White House hopeful Hillary Clinton is blaming right wing "ideologues
[06:54] <`426Hemi> The move to withhold contraceptives "was started by a small group of extre
[06:54] <`426Hemi> BUAHAHAHAHA
[06:54] <`426Hemi> this lady is a freakin PSYCHO!
[06:54] <Timur> http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&DocID=638
[06:55] <wiretapp> why is that psycho
[06:55] <Publius> oooh
[06:55] <Publius> cool
[06:55] <Publius> Timur: i'll get through this eventually
[06:55] <`426Hemi> "They're waging this silent war on contraception by using the power of the
[06:55] <`426Hemi> oh my god
[06:56] <`426Hemi> "Low-income women, denied access to contraception, are having more unwante
[06:56] <`426Hemi> i would love to see her facts
[06:56] <CryArvach> 426 wants more than just the facts from her
[06:56] <Harksaw> well, i don't doubt that's true about lower income women having more aborti
[06:57] <CryArvach> bbiab
[06:57] <`426Hemi> The city council in Black Jack, Mo., has rejected a measure allowing unmar
[06:57] <`426Hemi> Olivia Shelltrack and Fondrey Loving were denied an occupancy permit after
[06:57] <`426Hemi> OH MY GOD!
[06:57] <`426Hemi> thats going to court.... "Freedom of Association"
[06:57] <`426Hemi> doesn't anyone read the constitution any more
[06:57] <wiretapp> I think he point is that higher income women are more able to go around th
[06:59] <Timur> Rusty, I told you to stop cruising for toothless wonders in the local trailer
[06:59] <Zaw> low income woman are being denied abstinence? wow!
[06:59] <DarthBurg> hmmmm, anti-contraceptive right
[06:59] <wiretapp> "The Baltimore Sun reveals the existence of an interesting experimental NS
[06:59] <wiretapp> an encrypted form. This way the analysis would potentially be possible und
[06:59] <wiretapp> seems to have dropped an interesting and respectful program from the books
[07:01] <DarthBurg> Donkey Partisanship is going to kill it all.
[07:01] <bmc> why would it matter if its encrypted if they can decrypt it
[07:01] <bmc> same issue
[07:01] <bmc> phone companies are only allowed to share aggregate info without consent or cou
[07:01] <`426Hemi> Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle will gauge potential support f
[07:01] <bmc> aggregate info is clearly defined, as is "customer proprietary information":
[07:01] <`426Hemi> LOL!
[07:01] <bmc> heres the catch though, the part i dont understand
[07:02] <bmc> aggregate information is "collective data" (keep that in mind, this definition
[07:02] <bmc> collective data that has individual customer identities and characteristics rem
[07:02] <bmc> what is an individual customer characteristics
[07:03] <bmc> consider this is a phone company
[07:03] <TheTailor> name
[07:03] <bmc> they dont ask your race, or how much you weigh
[07:03] <bmc> name is identity
[07:03] <DarthBurg> well, since the telephone business is largely just legalized robbery anyw
[07:03] <bmc> identity AND characteristics
[07:03] <bmc> they must be seperate things
[07:03] <TheTailor> address
[07:03] <bmc> otherwise there would be no reason to list both
[07:04] <bmc> TheTailor thats your identity
[07:05] <bmc> customer characteristics is call patters, call lengths
[07:05] <bmc> type of service
[07:05] <TheTailor> Oh, characteristics, hnn
[07:05] <TheTailor> hmm
[07:05] <bmc> features
[07:05] <bmc> etc,etc
[07:05] <bmc> it would seem to be anything that is individually identifiable
[07:05] <TheTailor> I guess
[07:05] <`426Hemi> ohh boohooohooooo Sennsenbrenner is disappointed in the president because
[07:05] <TheTailor> Nothing pinpointing an individual though.
[07:05] <DarthBurg> hehe, Moderates and RINO's are in for a shock this election season
[07:05] <TheTailor> Rusty, who?
[07:06] <`426Hemi> rep James Sensenbrenner
[07:06] <bmc> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/ uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000222----000-.h
[07:06] <bmc> there is the actual laws
[07:06] <`426Hemi> he's the whiner that heads of the judiciary committee in the house
[07:06] <`426Hemi> I think he is from Wisconsin IIRC
[07:06] <bmc> note customer proprietary information
[07:06] <bmc> and aggregate information
[07:06] <bmc> aggregate information is "collective data" not customer proprietary information
[07:06] <TheTailor> bmc, where's the case law, you fail to realize case law is where you real
[07:07] <bmc> anything individually identifiable has to be removed
[07:07] <bmc> TheTailor well the courts interpretation isnt necessarily what the law means
[07:09] <bmc> i understand they have final say
[07:09] <bmc> but i consider that part of the problem
[07:09] <TheTailor> bmc, what you fail at consistantly is not reading the case law.
[07:09] <TheTailor> You have to read BOTH
[07:09] <bmc> the courts havent and cant redefine things under the law
[07:09] <bmc> the legislation has the information that is permitted and what info isnt define
[07:09] <bmc> the court cant change that
[07:09] <bmc> The term aggregate customer information means collective data that relates to a
[07:09] <bmc> notice it doesnt say "customer proprietary information that relates to...
[07:09] <bmc> also individual customer identities and characteristics
[07:09] <bmc> there has to be a reason they noted them seperately
[07:10] <bmc> obviously identity and characteristic are different things
[07:10] <bmc> what uis an individual customer characteristic?
[07:10] <TheTailor> bmc, let me give you an example, No fires are allowed within the city lim
[07:11] <bmc> TheTailor youre not seeing my point, the courts have ruled if your identity is
[07:11] <bmc> the law doesnt just state identity
[07:11] <TheTailor> bmc, you consistantly cite the law, but you don't read the notes of decis
[07:11] <bmc> identity AND characteristics
[07:11] <bmc> TheTailor the courts are not the legislative branch
[07:13] <TheTailor> bmc, I'm not interested in your current topic, you ALWAYS do this, you ap
[07:13] <bmc> other in more suited positons agree with me
[07:13] <bmc> and have files suit againt the companies for such activity
[07:13] <bmc> filed*
[07:13] <bmc> and the companies have since denied any involvement
[07:13] <bmc> why do you suppose that is
[07:13] <TheTailor> Right, and htere will be a DECISION, those are what you consistantly igno
[07:13] <bmc> the phone companies have already backed down
[07:13] <TheTailor> They don't 'back down'
[07:13] <bmc> you dont hear them coming out saying how they were fully within the law do you?
[07:13] <TheTailor> They have lawyers
[07:13] <bmc> or admitting to such activity?
[07:13] <Timur> because they don't want individual liability, but they know perfectly well th
[07:14] <bmc> theres like 10 class action lawsuits already
[07:14] <TheTailor> So what
[07:15] <CryArvach> Class actions against whom?
[07:17] <Timur> they can take their class actions and shove them up their naive libertarian y
[07:17] <bmc> CryArvach AT&T Verizon and Bell South
[07:17] <bmc> Timur what the government does or is allowed to do is irrelevant in these cases
[07:17] <bmc> only what the phone companies are legally permitted to do
[07:17] <CryArvach> Libertarians are not naive...they clearly see what Democrat and Republica
[07:18] <bmc> frist himself said the program was "voluntary"
[07:18] <CryArvach> Bell South ves Verizon/AT & T
[07:18] <bmc> that means they gave up the info freely, if they werent legally permitted to do
[07:18] <CryArvach> clash of the titans
[07:18] <bmc> this is what the courts will decide
[07:19] <bmc> if they had court orders they can demand the information
[07:19] <bmc> whether or not the phone companies like it
[07:20] <bmc> so the government isnt really an issue
[07:20] <bmc> they didnt take information, they were given it
[07:20] <skope> saaaatisfaction.... came in the chicken action!
[07:20] <skope> allright down the the capitalists!
[07:20] <skope> so
[07:21] <skope> how do you feel about chickens and the current global trend
[07:21] <bmc> i want to hear the courts interpretation of what an individual customer charact
[07:22] <skope> this is a serious enquiry, i am interested on the effect of world policy on t
[07:23] <skope> hello?
[07:23] <Zaw> HI
[07:23] <Herzen> oh jeez
[07:23] <skope> hello zaw
[07:23] <Herzen> i rescue an old computer out of the garbage bin
[07:23] <Herzen> and it turns out to be a lemon
[07:23] <Herzen> not even an intel or amd
[07:23] <Herzen> Cyrix 166mhz
[07:23] <bmc> haha
[07:24] <skope> Herzen then you sell it as a chicken?
[07:24] <bmc> it belonged in the garbage
[07:24] <bmc> that was its home
[07:24] <skope> hey thats a great computer (add some gasoline for instant upgrade + box of ma
[07:25] <skope> talkin about niggers from compton
[07:25] <epoks> yo easy, fuck compton, yeah, oh yeah fuck em
[07:26] <epoks> the boy and shit spitting tobbaco and talking crap
[07:26] <bmc> i think this is pretty fitting considering the recent privacy concerns.... "Nec
[07:26] <epoks> talkin that gang war? we wanna know what you're fighting for
[07:26] <epoks> nah you see
[07:27] <epoks> i cannot gold a reasonable discussion here i get in the nigger heads they can
[07:27] <bmc> wth?
[07:27] <bmc> someone smoking that good shit
[07:29] <bmc> so anyways, how about an opinion poll, who of you are OK with phone companies s
[07:29] <sanguine> hmmm
[07:29] <sanguine> so how about a new opinion poll?
[07:29] <sanguine> like say
[07:29] <Herzen> Sharing for what purpose?
[07:29] <bmc> Herzen any reason whatsoever
[07:29] <Herzen> for national security reasons i don't have a problem
[07:30] <sanguine> how to bake jews, how to most effectively resume the hitlers programme
[07:30] <bmc> there is no such exclusion for national security
[07:30] <bmc> the law is still in effect
[07:30] <sanguine> while at it we re-enslave those nigger fucks
[07:30] <bmc> its not about you and the government, its between you and your phone company
[07:31] <bmc> the only reason they have these records of your calls, is because youre a custo
[07:31] <DarthBurg> the phone company is a pack of crooks.
[07:31] <bmc> this information should be held between you and the provider
[07:31] <bmc> and possibly other providers or similar services
[07:31] <bmc> of*
[07:31] <Herzen> hmmm
[07:31] <bmc> http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode47/usc_sec_47_00000222----000-.ht
[07:31] <Herzen> the other computer i found is a Kingston 133MHz 5x86 CPU upgrade for 486 sy
[07:31] <bmc> just read that
[07:31] <bmc> and see if you think its legal according to that
[07:31] * Timur slaps Herzen around a bit with a large trout
[07:34] <bmc> i think its odd that if aggregate information shared the same individually iden
[07:34] <bmc> but it doesnt, only "collective data"
[07:34] <Herzen> i think i'll try out dungeon siege 2
[07:36] <CryArvach> Herzen is waiting for Iran: The Game
[07:36] <Herzen> ban skope
[07:36] <CryArvach> will bbiab....time to go talk to the local vulture :)
[07:36] <Herzen> already
[07:38] <Hiddekel> skope is banned for 10 minutes (Requested by CryArvach - Reason: chan atta
[07:42] <ECT> Neil Young ROCKS!
[07:42] <ECT> u guys hear that album yet?
[07:43] <ECT> lets impeach the president for lying
[07:43] <ECT> for hijacking our religion and using it to get elected
[07:43] <ECT> lets impeach the president for lying
[07:43] <ECT> what if al qaeda blew up the levies?
[07:43] <ECT> would new orleans be any better?
[07:43] <ECT> as a Nazi who kills the jews and puts them in the ovens I say, HAIL BUSH!
[07:44] <ECT> seriously though, dont you all agree the jews are really to blame for 9/11?
[07:53] <bmc> wth is with those people?
[07:57] <`426Hemi> [10:44] <+ECT> seriously though, dont you all agree the jews are rea
[07:58] <Timur> Albany is S. Tier?
[07:58] <Timur> seems kinda midstate
[07:59] <`426Hemi> nah its southern tier
[07:59] <`426Hemi> anything below I90
[07:59] <AAAman> I live in the most southern part of NYS
[08:00] <Timur> anyway, regardless of the geography, dude's clearly a goof :)
[08:01] <AAAman> Nuts
[08:04] <Timur> ECT on #politics #hitler
[08:04] <Timur> course, like other nazis and nazi sympathizers, he doesn't get banned
[08:04] <US-Male> I always thought anythng north of Westchester was "upstate" =)
[08:05] <Timur> or at least not nearly so quickly as, say, someone who criticizes US policy m
[08:05] <Timur> fortunately, it's just irc. :)
[08:05] <Timur> US: hey
[08:05] <US-Male> hiya Timur
[08:06] <US-Male> hope this coffee wakes me up
[08:06] <Timur> man, it's nice out
[08:06] <Timur> US: try 'La Colombe' brand sometime
[08:06] <US-Male> strong columbian ?
[08:06] <Timur> it rules. Good buzz, no headache or hole in your stomach
[08:06] <US-Male> I will have to try it
[08:07] <Timur> not sure, the variety I use is called 'Phocea'
[08:08] <Lupine> I prefer Sumatra or Kenyan coffee
[08:09] <Publius> I drink oil to wake up in the morning
[08:09] <ThomasWT> Publius : ASSOHOL ?
[08:09] <Publius> as any true warmonger should. ;)
[08:09] <Timur> I like Kona 2
[08:09] <Publius> ThomasWT: lOL
[08:10] <US-Male> we should start calling each other "fellow statists" just to tweak the NWO
[08:10] <Publius> hm
[08:10] * MikeyD is gone.. autoaway after 15 min <cyp/log>
[08:11] <ThomasWT> How about Fellow Political Sadomaschistics
[08:11] <US-Male> cause ya know, if you don't want anarchy ..... you're a "statist" =)
[08:11] <Lupine> the best coffee i've had was MavisBank estate from Jamaica.. a friend whose
[08:11] <Lupine> but that's like $50/lb stuff
[08:12] <US-Male> would be good on the weekends
[08:12] <DrFlip> Venice, California - May 15 - CODEPINK: Women for Peace took out full-page a
[08:12] <US-Male> I need my coffee in an IV next to my bed
[08:13] <Lupine> this is what I drink regularly
[08:13] <Lupine> http://www.theroastedbean.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=
[08:13] <US-Male> I'll just get saline and dissolve caffeine in it. .. IV drip
[08:13] <Timur> US: I proudly don the hat of Neocon statist zionist. Everything to piss them
[08:13] <ThomasWT> Code Pink is RETARDED
[08:13] <US-Male> Timur hahah
[08:13] <Timur> Thomas: yep, you got that right
[08:13] <gopp> hahahahah
[08:13] <gopp> hahahaha
[08:14] <gopp> The cans were recycled for 800 dollars, an estimated 70,000 cans: 24 beers a d
[08:14] <gopp> Timur he got what wright
[08:14] <gopp> 70,000 Beer Cans Found in Ogden Townhouse
[08:14] <ThomasWT> gopp : Recycle
[08:14] <Lupine> that's nothing, you should see frat houses..
[08:15] <Timur> gopp: that women in pink are retarded. :)
[08:15] <Lupine> timur is a proud founding member of the Pink Pistols
[08:16] <gopp> oh
[08:16] <US-Male> gopp how were they found ?
[08:16] <gopp> US-Male after a century 21
[08:16] <bmc> dude, aluminum cans are over $0.60/lb now
[08:16] <bmc> :P
[08:16] <gopp> wanted to rent the empty aparment
[08:16] <gopp> I think some told them about a smell
[08:16] <bmc> i been saving them
[08:16] <gopp> Pyow pyow pyow . . . hack hack hack hack! Let's get out of here (in monkey tal
[08:17] <US-Male> if you're gonna save them it's smarter to rinse the can
[08:17] <gopp> US-Male http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=268346
[08:17] <US-Male> and smash it
[08:17] <gopp> US-Male why
[08:17] <politcs> funny ddos fags
[08:17] <gopp> US-Male oh you mean for the smell
[08:17] <US-Male> then they don't smell, and take less space
[08:17] <politcs> i say it was an americano?
[08:17] <US-Male> and no bugs attracted
[08:17] <gopp> US-Male just check this http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=268346
[08:17] <politcs> filter kills
[08:18] <AAAman> == By 1861, several Southern states had seceded from the Union and formed t
[08:19] <gopp> AAAman WHO SAID IT WAS NOT LEGAL
[08:19] <gopp> a paper
[08:19] <AAAman> bmc -- In Article 6 Section 3 of the Constitution it clearly states that "th
[08:19] <gopp> state have rights
[08:19] <US-Male> "The man who lived there seems to be back on his feet. We spoke to him toda
[08:19] <US-Male> hahha
[08:19] <US-Male> well at least he's working =)
[08:19] <GODS[GOD]> !seen `stingray
[08:19] <Lupine> Man, 24 beers a day for 8 years.. that's gotta be hell on the liver
[08:19] <Timur> Lup: sorry, you can't have my pink pistol. It's claimed by 2 chix
[08:19] <Timur> :D
[08:20] <US-Male> yeah and Coors Light ??
[08:20] <AAAman> Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution it says "No state shall enter into
[08:20] <`426Hemi> eww
[08:20] <Lupine> timur: sorry, i'm not interested in "small caliber" pistols
[08:20] <`426Hemi> Cuurrs Light
[08:20] * `426Hemi shivers
[08:20] <`426Hemi> Rocky Mountain piss water
[08:20] <Lupine> "the silver bullet through your liver"
[08:20] <`426Hemi> nah
[08:20] <`426Hemi> the shits to weak to damage the liver hehehe
[08:21] <US-Male> that's what I don't get,
[08:21] <gopp> Lupine hahaha
[08:21] <US-Male> if he drank better beer he could buy less
[08:21] <gopp> 70,000 cans
[08:21] <gopp> dam he was a drunk
[08:21] <Lupine> gopp: does Borland C++ builder offer real-time syntax checking?
[08:21] <gopp> `426Hemi he beat your reocrd
[08:22] <gopp> Lupine I think so
[08:22] <US-Male> still though, drinking a case per day, even Coors Light will get you bombed
[08:22] <Lupine> gopp: for some reason, Visual Studio offers it in C#, VS, etc.. but not in C
[08:22] <gopp> it very good
[08:22] <US-Male> I guess he didn't want to drink any water
[08:22] <US-Male> just beer
[08:22] <gopp> Lupine cuase c# is something that ms made to compete with java
[08:22] <gopp> and people actually love it
[08:22] <Lupine> so there is no indication if you mistyped a variable name, or the like.. unt
[08:22] <Timur> Lup: I heard that you liked the big ones
[08:22] <gopp> I know many people who do
[08:22] <gopp> Lupine in borland you can
[08:22] <gopp> cuase it made for just c++
[08:22] <Lupine> well, this isn't the language per say, but the interface
[08:23] <gopp> Lupine the ide
[08:23] <gopp> I would use borland c++
[08:23] <gopp> I think visual c++ is bloatware
[08:23] <gopp> no offence
[08:23] <Lupine> have to look into it then.. as i hate text programming, but even more withou
[08:23] <gopp> but most ide, are bloat ware
[08:23] <`426Hemi> C++ was written by Bjarne Stroustrup at Bell Labs during 1983-1985. C++
[08:23] <gopp> like ecpiplse is slow
[08:23] <US-Male> Lupine: just get a grad student to program
[08:23] <gopp> `426Hemi do you know about c++
[08:23] <US-Male> interns, etc.
[08:24] <`426Hemi> C++ was designed for the UNIX system environment.
[08:24] <gopp> Lupine yea, grad students are good
[08:24] <`426Hemi> a little
[08:24] <gopp> Lupine you should get a ta
[08:24] <Lupine> US: Oh, I need to "get up to speed" on Visual Studio, as that is what many s
[08:24] <gopp> `426Hemi oh so you can program in c++
[08:24] <US-Male> oh
[08:24] <gopp> Lupine like I said
[08:24] <gopp> it not your fualt
[08:24] <gopp> it thier
[08:24] <`426Hemi> Prior to C++, C was a programming language developed at Bell Labs circa 19
[08:24] <gopp> thier in school to learn, so you should use borland
[08:24] <`426Hemi> i didn't say that, i said i know a little ABOUT C++ heh
[08:24] <gopp> or labview
[08:25] <gopp> `426Hemi lol, oh cuase c++ is a bitch
[08:25] <gopp> it great and good
[08:25] <gopp> but a bitch
[08:25] <`426Hemi> <+gopp> Lupine cuase c# is something that ms made to compete with ja
[08:25] <gopp> I have visual studio
[08:25] <gopp> `426Hemi do you know what c sharp is
[08:25] <US-Male> So..... Unix and it's imitator Linux were spawned by "corporate devils" !
[08:25] <Lupine> C# != C != C++
[08:25] <gopp> c# != c++
[08:26] <US-Male> corporate greeeeeeed
[08:26] <Lupine> US: lol
[08:26] <US-Male> =)
[08:26] <`426Hemi> C Sharp is a musical note
[08:26] <gopp> `426Hemi I know the history of c# is also a programing lang
[08:26] <US-Male> wait, so greed motivates? HmMmmm
[08:26] <gopp> well it should be called c pound
[08:26] <gopp> Lupine well it should be called c pound
[08:26] <gopp> is #=pound
[08:27] <gopp> or number sign
[08:27] <jv> != ObjectiveC :)
[08:27] <bmc> hrm, ken thompson created B, dennis ritchie improved upon B, and created C
[08:27] <bmc> heh
[08:27] <US-Male> yeah well who made "A" ?
[08:27] <US-Male> I mean if those are B and C....
[08:28] <bmc> nobody?
[08:28] <US-Male> there should have been an A
[08:28] <gopp> The correct title of this article is C#. The substitution or omission of a # s
[08:28] <`426Hemi> Amnesty International A major human rights organization's decision to cons
[08:28] <bmc> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html
[08:28] <`426Hemi> buahahaha niiiiice, Amnesty International promotes abortion
[08:29] <gopp> c was created at bell labs I tought
[08:29] <gopp> I know unix was created at bell labs
[08:29] <`426Hemi> C was created at Bell Labs by Dennis Richie at the same time Unix was bein
[08:29] <gopp> `426Hemi C# (see section on naming, pronunciation) is an object-oriented progr
[08:30] <gopp> According to the ECMA-334 C# Language Specification, section 6, Acronyms and a
[08:31] <ajofi> "Bush agrees to full NSA oversight by Congress" http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20
[08:31] <ajofi> Seems like they're going to finally start following the law.
[08:31] <crummy> hah c#
[08:31] <crummy> ajofi: no, just make a new law that legalizes what they were doing already.
[08:31] <ajofi> I mean FISA.
[08:31] <crummy> exactry
[08:31] <gopp> k do you rember your c++ then
[08:31] <gopp> Lupine
[08:31] <ajofi> FISA has required that the full committee be briefed and that hasn't been don
[08:32] <bmc> C came into being in the years 1969-1973, in parallel with the early developmen
[08:32] <bmc> language was officially standardized by the ANSI X3J11 committee, which made fu
[08:32] <ajofi> So now finally it looks like they're going to do it.
[08:32] <ajofi> How many years of not complying with the law was that?
[08:33] <ajofi> "US Bush threatens to veto supersized Iraq spending bill" http://news.yahoo.c
[08:33] <ajofi> Ahh but will he veto it?
[08:34] <gopp> ajofi hahahah
[08:35] <ajofi> what's funny
[08:37] <bmc> It is worth summarizing compactly the roles of the direct contributors to today
[08:37] <US-Male> the FBI is hot on the trail of Jimmy Hoffa's killer........ 30 years later
[08:37] <bmc> Ritchie, Alan Snyder, Steven C. Johnson, Michael Lesk, and Thompson contributed
[08:39] <WotGorila> She loves your money... yeah yeah yeah
[08:43] <Nemes> Airbus A380 looks mighty nice from mwere im sitting watching it land at heath
[08:43] <Nemes> bloody huge double decker
[08:43] <Nemes> :)
[08:43] <Publius> I saw that on FOx
[08:43] <bmc> bet it makes a hell of a splash
[08:43] <bmc> :P
[08:43] * bmc does not fly
[08:44] <Nemes> them engines must have some serious tork heh
[08:44] <gopp> installing matlab Lupine
[08:44] <gopp> my school gives each studenta copy
[08:44] <gopp> of matlab and visual studio
[08:44] <bmc> is it as big as that jet the russians use to haul their space shuttles around?
[08:44] <bmc> :P
[08:44] <Nemes> its biggest passenger airlienr
[08:44] <`426Hemi> ajofi, get a clue
[08:44] <Nemes> dont know about milirtary
[08:45] <Publius> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is open to discussions with North
[08:45] <gopp> it seems that matlab is developed in java
[08:45] <Nemes> military -even-
[08:45] <Publius> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-05
[08:45] <bmc> i saw some documentary on this thing the russians built
[08:45] <bmc> space shuttle sits right on its back
[08:45] <bmc> thing has like 8 sets of wheels
[08:45] <bmc> its a big mofo
[08:45] <`426Hemi> FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - Lionel Tate was sentenced Thursday to 30 years in
[08:45] <Nemes> the worlds biggest plane is
[08:45] <Nemes> the russian he Antonov 225
[08:45] <bmc> is that it?
[08:46] <Nemes> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1317779.stm
[08:46] <Nemes> pic of it there
[08:46] <bmc> yea it is
[08:46] <Lupine> They now use the A-225 for industry
[08:47] <bmc> It was designed for the transportation of the Russian Space Shuttle "Buran" by
[08:47] <Lupine> Even the US occassionally uses one, when their C-5 isn't large enough :-)
[08:47] <gopp> Lupine have you used bloodshed
[08:47] <gopp> bloodshed ide for c++
[08:47] <AAAman> bmc -- Would you like to dicususs the legality of seccesion by the Confedera
[08:47] <bmc> AAAman we already did that
[08:48] <Lupine> gopp: nope, the last time I did anything in C and C++ was on NeXT
[08:48] <AAAman> bmc --Far from complete
[08:48] <evader> isn't there only 2 A225's in the world?
[08:48] <gopp> http://www.bloodshed.net/dev/devcpp.html
[08:48] <bmc> AAAman all evidence suggests the states reserved the right to secession
[08:48] <AAAman> You asked if the Const makes secession illegal. It does do this
[08:48] <bmc> there is no evidence to the contrary
[08:48] <gopp> Lupine you use code warrior on neXt
[08:48] <bmc> the debate is complete
[08:48] <AAAman> By 1861, several Southern states had seceded from the Union and formed the C
[08:48] <bmc> AAAman no, it doesnt
[08:48] <gopp> what never happen to code warrior
[08:49] <Lupine> to me: it is an irrelevent distinction.. either they had no right, and it w
[08:49] <AAAman> bmc -- v
[08:49] <evader> bmc in the absence of federal legislature, the states have the right to chos
[08:49] <AAAman> bmc -- In Article 6 Section 3 of the Constitution it clearly states that "th
[08:49] <evader> that's in the constitution
[08:49] <gopp> maybe you should use xcode Lupine\
[08:49] <gopp> xcode is great
[08:49] <evader> so if the federal government does not explicitly deny secession
[08:49] <bmc> AAAman no, that is false, entry into the union was voluntary
[08:49] <evader> then the states have the right to allow it.
[08:49] <bmc> it didnt change just because lincoln took office
[08:49] <AAAman> bmc -- In Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution it says "No state shall e
[08:50] <Lupine> well, the constitution doesnt' say that states can't LIE when they take an o
[08:50] <evader> no
[08:50] <AAAman> bmc-- Article 1 Section 10 also says that "No state shall, without the conse
[08:50] <bmc> AAAman amendments IX and X
[08:50] <evader> they would not.
[08:50] <AAAman> bmc -- In Article 4 Section 3, it states that "Congress will make rules and
[08:50] <`426Hemi> In a significant vindication for President Bush, a judge who co-authored t
[08:50] <bmc> AAAman this is all what is legal -under- the us constitution
[08:50] <evader> also lincoln sending federal troops into southern united states against citi
[08:51] <Lupine> rusty: and the USSC agrees with him.
[08:51] <bmc> they removing theirself from the jurisdiction of that constitution
[08:51] <bmc> are*
[08:51] <pilgrim`> and in other news Microsoft's new search capabilites can find Bill's but w
[08:51] <Publius> Nemes: I've got a brilliant idea
[08:51] <AAAman> "The states have their status in the Union and they have no other legal stat
[08:51] <Nemes> Publius?
[08:51] <bmc> it doesnt matter what lincoln said
[08:51] <Publius> Nemes: let's take that big ass Russian plane and fly it into the middle of
[08:51] <PlayerTwo> wow.
[08:51] <evader> AAAman then was the war against the south illega?
[08:51] <Publius> ...
[08:51] <Nemes> heh
[08:51] <bmc> lincoln had no part in founding this nation or writing the constitution
[08:51] <Publius> noooooooot really
[08:52] <evader> can't use the federal military against states of the union
[08:52] <bmc> jefferson did
[08:52] <pilgrim`> Linclon..... humm....wasn't he an obscure Illinois Lawyer who's only fam
[08:52] <Publius> but that would be a good message to mr ahmadinejad
[08:52] <bmc> madison did
[08:52] <evader> its against zeee rules.
[08:52] <bmc> adams did
[08:52] <AAAman> Lincoln was only fighting against rebellion
[08:52] <Publius> if he doesn't stop supporting terrorism
[08:52] <bmc> what do they say about secession AAAman ?
[08:52] <AAAman> Lincoln was the duly elected President
[08:52] <bmc> jefferson, adams, madison
[08:52] <bmc> ?
[08:52] <Publius> the 1st 5 presidents
[08:52] <Publius> where the founding fathers
[08:53] <bmc> they all supported the right of the states to secede
[08:53] <Publius> washington adams jefferson madison and monore
[08:53] <AAAman> There is no right for South Carolina to nullify laws, and unconstitutional f
[08:53] <Publius> were
[08:53] <bmc> AAAman it cant be unconstitutional
[08:53] <evader> So, the conclusion is... the south wasn't allowed to seceed and therefore di
[08:53] <evader> I saw we impeach him
[08:53] <Publius> bmc: I just watch "presidents episode 1"
[08:53] <Publius> LOL
[08:53] <bmc> AAAman they were removing theirself from the jurisfiction of that constitution
[08:53] <Publius> on on demand
[08:53] <Publius> a history channel special
[08:53] <bmc> nothing the constitution said was legally binding
[08:53] <bmc> :P
[08:53] <blaaz> http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/170506doctored.gif <------ This pro
[08:53] <evader> IMPEACH LINCOLN!!!
[08:53] <`426Hemi> oh god evader your a complete freakin moron
[08:53] <Publius> and Madison was definitely a staunch states right man
[08:54] <PlayerTwo> evader - Just because the states weren't allowed to do something doesn't
[08:54] <`426Hemi> him and bmc must be brothers
[08:54] <bmc> evader lincoln did get "impeached"
[08:54] <AAAman> bmc -- Forget Lincoln for the moment. Let us speak about a Southern preside
[08:54] <evader> `426Hemi well is it or is it not illegal to use federal troops against a sta
[08:54] <evader> last i checked it was illegal.
[08:54] * sleeping is now known as insomnia-
[08:54] <Publius> bmc: take that back
[08:54] <Publius> it was monroe
[08:54] <Publius> who was the president during the mizz compromise
[08:54] <bmc> what?
[08:54] <AAAman> bmc -- Also, what would states or people do if something wasn't right? Peopl
[08:55] <bmc> Publius lincoln was impeached by the muzzle of a gun
[08:55] <bmc> :P
[08:55] <Publius> wtf
[08:55] <AAAman> The South violated this by not only keeping an army, but also by attacking t
[08:55] <Publius> I wasn't talkin bout Abe
[08:55] <Publius> o_O
[08:55] <bmc> oh
[08:55] <bmc> ok
[08:55] <Publius> I was just noting that our first 5 presidents...especially jefferson, and m
[08:55] <bmc> madison was also a democratic republican
[08:55] <Publius> were totally states rights pundits
[08:55] <Publius> madison as well
[08:56] <bmc> madison the "father of the constitution"
[08:56] <bmc> but no, lets take lincolns word
[08:56] <bmc> pfff
[08:56] <AAAman> Although the Southern states had the right to have their opinion about movin
[08:56] <bmc> jefferson the father of the declaration of independence
[08:56] <gopp> do you have a copy of borland
[08:56] <bmc> lincoln, the father of the civil war.
[08:56] <bmc> :P
[08:56] <evader> oh wait
[08:56] <Publius> Madison would not have seceded like the South
[08:56] <evader> i figured out how he did it
[08:56] <evader> in the event of a civil war
[08:57] <Publius> Madison did as much as he coudl to prevent the expansion of slavery
[08:57] <evader> courts close
[08:57] <Publius> the dixiecrats didn't
[08:57] <evader> and you can then impliment martial law
[08:57] <bmc> jefferson outright says secession is OK
[08:57] <evader> but....
[08:57] <evader> not everywhere
[08:57] <bmc> when new england federalists attempt to secede
[08:57] <evader> so lincoln did fuck up
[08:57] <Publius> bmc: I'm not a big fan of thomas
[08:57] <Publius> I mean
[08:57] <Publius> of course
[08:57] <Publius> I am
[08:57] <evader> just not completely.
[08:57] <Publius> but not like...I am of lincoln or hamilton
[08:57] <evader> and the supreme court ruled exactly that way
[08:57] <AAAman> bmc -- In 1777, THE ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION AND PERPETUAL UNION were ratif
[08:57] <bmc> lincoln has no parts in founding this nation
[08:58] <pilgrim`> Jefferson iirc repealed theSedition act and anulled several other Federali
[08:58] <bmc> AAAman of the state legislatures
[08:58] <AAAman> bmc -- Union now and forever
[08:58] <bmc> that happened
[08:58] <Publius> hehehehe
[08:58] <Publius> John *snot nose* Adams
[08:58] <bmc> they did have unanimous consent of those state legislatures
[08:58] <bmc> AAAman read also the DOI
[08:58] <Publius> pilgrim: but was it not Jefferson who was responsible for the foolish Embar
[08:58] <bmc> very important
[08:58] <pilgrim`> bmc Linclon was the driving force behind the founding of the FEDRAL natio
[08:59] <bmc> lincoln was not part of the founding of this nation
[08:59] <bmc> look back to the DOI
[08:59] <pilgrim`> Publius that rings a feint bell
[08:59] <bmc> do you see lincolns name anywhere?
[08:59] <pilgrim`> bmc a penny anti president
[08:59] <evader> lincoln kinda violated the civil rights of a large portion of the nation
[08:59] <Publius> pilgrim: I thought it was you who initially told me of it!
[09:00] <evader> and the supreme court said so
[09:00] <pilgrim`> he suspended habeus corpus
[09:00] <`426Hemi> http://www.studyworld.com/sedition_act_of_1798.htm
[09:00] <evader> ex parte Milligan (71 US 2 [1866])
[09:00] <pilgrim`> Publius possibly. I have not had fcoffee this morning
[09:00] <bmc> he declared martial law, imprisoned confederate supporters etc,etc
[09:00] <bmc> was sedition a crime at that time?
[09:00] <evader> yes illegally.
[09:00] * Publius is now known as Nathanus
[09:00] <evader> he wasn't allowed to declare martial law.
[09:00] * Nathanus is now known as Publius
[09:00] <evader> ex parte Milligan (71 US 2 [1866]) <--- FTW
[09:01] <bmc> his government forced 3 amendments down the throats of the south by the barrel
[09:01] <bmc> great president he was....
[09:01] <`426Hemi> i wished they would re-impose the sedition act
[09:01] <evader> bmc he also started a war.
[09:01] <Publius> 426Hemi: ROFL
[09:01] <AAAman> We the People of the States of New-Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode-Island an
[09:01] <bmc> `426Hemi its unconstitutional
[09:01] <evader> i mean there was that.
[09:01] <AAAman> The people agreed to the Const, not the States
[09:01] <bmc> AAAman the people didnt do shit
[09:01] <Publius> '426Hemi: I mean this as a compliment...but I honestly think that you are t
[09:01] <bmc> the states agreed to the constitution
[09:01] <Publius> hahaha
[09:01] <bmc> not the people
[09:01] <bmc> learn factual history
[09:02] <bmc> it is a voluntary union between the states
[09:02] <AAAman> bmc -- State Legislatures never ratified the Const, but the people did. Pow
[09:02] <bmc> not the people
[09:02] <bmc> people did not ratify the constitution
[09:02] <evader> bmc so i take it you are a member of the factinista?
[09:02] <bmc> the states did
[09:02] <bmc> where are you learning this nonsense youre spewing?
[09:02] <pilgrim`> best President in history: William Henry Harrison
[09:03] <AAAman> bmc -- above paragraph is the original Preamble drafted by the Convention de
[09:03] <bmc> each -state- has to ratify the constitution
[09:03] <evader> representative democracy... power is derived... not in the hands of.
[09:03] <AAAman> bmc -- committee chose to replace the individual states names in the propose
[09:03] <bmc> AAAman when the constitution is amended, it requires 3/4 support by the states
[09:03] <bmc> meaning state legislatures
[09:03] <bmc> not the people
[09:03] <`426Hemi> Publius thats because I am
[09:03] <pilgrim`> correct
[09:03] <evader> republic for which it stands and such.
[09:04] <bmc> when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states
[09:04] <bmc> also can call a convention
[09:04] <pilgrim`> the state of Franklin at first was unsure
[09:04] <bmc> but that would just be stupid
[09:04] <AAAman> bmc -- it must be noted that some observers did view the revised Preamble as
[09:04] <bmc> or by conventions in three fourths thereof
[09:04] <bmc> AAAman lets go back a little further, you skipped a key issue i would like to a
[09:04] <pilgrim`> Franklin did not survive unfortunately (It was what is now West TN
[09:05] <bmc> AAAman what part of the AOC provided for provisions for creating a new constitu
[09:05] <pilgrim`> Franklin was a state in...humm 1784? I think. it did not survive teh Whis
[09:06] <Publius> 426Hemi: knew it
[09:06] <Fr33Trade> 09:06:37 18/05/2006 LOG
[09:06] <`426Hemi> The State of Franklin was an autonomous, secessionist territory created in
[09:06] <bmc> AAAman the constitution limits government and protects the people, its a compac
[09:06] <bmc> each state has their own constitution
[09:07] <evader> wow
[09:07] <`426Hemi> As the United States Congress was heavily in debt at the close of the Revo
[09:08] <pilgrim`> Rusty I thrive on obscurities ;)
[09:08] <`426Hemi> heheheh
[09:08] <bmc> AAAman it there a provision for calling a convention, drafting a new constituti
[09:08] <pilgrim`> humm Knoxville was I think...the capital
[09:08] <`426Hemi> On May 16, 1785, a delegation from these counties submitted a petition for
[09:08] <pilgrim`> John Sevier was the gov
[09:09] <pilgrim`> Sevierville TN is named after him as is a county
[09:09] <`426Hemi> A temporary government was assembled at Greeneville. After a swift electio
[09:10] <bmc> one thing i learned about history i never knew before made my kinda chuckle
[09:10] <pilgrim`> see? a real State
[09:10] <pilgrim`> and no one rememebrs
[09:10] <evader> wow
[09:10] <bmc> lincolns assassin is from my state
[09:10] <bmc> hehe
[09:10] <evader> supposedly lincoln ordered the arrest of the chief justice of the supreme co
[09:10] <pilgrim`> and to this day we still call it a Voting Booth
[09:11] <Publius> bmc: that ain't funny
[09:11] <`426Hemi> In late March 1788, the Cherokee, Chickamauga and Chickasaw nations collec
[09:11] <Publius> !!
[09:11] <bmc> yea it is
[09:11] <`426Hemi> As of 1790, the government of the State of Franklin had collapsed entirely
[09:11] <bmc> will history repeat itself?!
[09:11] <bmc> only time will tell...
[09:12] <`426Hemi> The original state capitol of Franklin disappeared while being moved from
[09:12] <`426Hemi> Franklin had three different capitals in its short existence: Johnson City
[09:12] <Publius> bmc: as much as you disagree with his politics, he was still a president
[09:12] <Publius> and was murdered
[09:12] <bmc> evader i think we can safely conclude lincoln faced justice for any crimes
[09:13] <bmc> Publius how many men were murdered under lincolns orders?
[09:13] <bmc> :P
[09:13] <evader> bmc i dunno about justice... but he certainly took a bullet in the head.
[09:13] <`426Hemi> bmc is always in here ballyhooing some secessionist bullshit, if he hates
[09:13] <Publius> bmc: not enough of ones who are like of mind with you. ;P
[09:13] <evader> nah lincoln did kill lots of innocent people.
[09:13] <bmc> Publius more union soliders were killed
[09:13] <evader> hell US navy ships fired on new york during the draft riots.
[09:14] <evader> that's straight up murder right there.
[09:14] <pilgrim`> Rusty dang. I thought Knoxville. See? I am wrong about twice as often
[09:14] <Publius> pilgrim: o_O
[09:14] <`426Hemi> its ok Pilgrim, this is the first i ever heard of the state Franklin+)
[09:14] <bmc> `426Hemi i dont want to leave america, i want americans to take it back
[09:14] <MikeyD> amen
[09:15] <`426Hemi> WASHINGTON - A Senate committee approved a constitutional amendment bannin
[09:15] <bmc> its our country
[09:15] <bmc> not uncle sams
[09:15] <evader> personally i'd like to see democracy raise the bar on who gets to vote first
[09:15] <evader> oh and maybe breeding too.
[09:15] <`426Hemi> "I don't need to be lectured by you. You are no more a protector of the Co
[09:15] <`426Hemi> "If you want to leave, good riddance," Specter finished.
[09:15] <`426Hemi> "I've enjoyed your lecture, too, Mr. Chairman," replied Feingold, D-Wis.,
[09:15] <MikeyD> democracy is stupid and self destructive
[09:15] <`426Hemi> LOL!!!
[09:16] <`426Hemi> democrats always cut and run
[09:16] <WotGorila> The whote created the Movie Trading Places with Eddie murphy has a great
[09:16] <bmc> he means representative democracy (republic)
[09:16] <bmc> i think anyways
[09:16] <MikeyD> actually were a constitutional republic
[09:16] <bmc> direct democracy isnt a wise decision
[09:16] <pilgrim`> 1st president of the United States was ....Peyton Randolph
[09:16] <bmc> hancock was pres twice before washington
[09:17] <pilgrim`> though some argue that John Hanson should bear the title
[09:17] <bmc> samuel huntington
[09:17] <bmc> who else, hrm
[09:17] <kwakkwak> • Thanks for the +v •
[09:17] <bmc> i forget their names
[09:17] <evader> pilgrim` according to the plaque outisde federal hall it's george washington
[09:17] <Fr33Trade> Feingold is either running for the far left base or hes just has lost his
[09:17] <evader> seems like that'd be quite the typo...
[09:17] <pilgrim`> now personally I woul say that since he was President when the Decleration
[09:18] <Nemes> Last chromosome in human genome sequenced
[09:18] <Nemes> cool
[09:18] <`426Hemi> and Henry Middleton was secod president of the continental congress
[09:18] <evader> pilgrim` and his name was biggest...
[09:18] <pilgrim`> evader yes. history does tend to modify with time
[09:18] <blaaz> kwakkwak nice script
[09:18] <Fr33Trade> The United states didnt exist until 1789 give or take a year but I think
[09:18] <bmc> Thomas McKean
[09:18] <`426Hemi> FT, I think he is both myself, i have watched him go from a somewhat reaso
[09:19] <PlayerTwo> Randolph was president of the first Continental Congress
[09:19] <PlayerTwo> not the President of the US
[09:19] <bmc> Fr33Trade the declaration of independece call is the United states of america
[09:19] <Lupine> if Feingold has such an "affinity for the constitution", why does he activel
[09:19] <PlayerTwo> there was no US in 1774
[09:19] <bmc> calls it*
[09:19] <bmc> as does the articles of confederation
[09:19] <pilgrim`> 1789 ratified, 1791 Rhode Island ratified
[09:19] <evader> i love the second ammendment.
[09:19] <evader> that and the repealment of prohibition make life worth living.
[09:19] <Timur-> Lup: do you even care about the other amendments? just curious
[09:19] <pilgrim`> the title....iirc was “President of the United States, in Congress Assembl
[09:19] <Fr33Trade> Rusty yeah he has changed rather rapidly, a lot of times this happens whe
[09:20] <Timur-> yer like a broken record sometimes. :) get another issue for chrissakes
[09:20] <Lupine> timur: well.. most of the other bill of rights, there is massive defense for
[09:20] <bmc> We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General
[09:20] <bmc> 1776^
[09:20] <pilgrim`> how about: OOO LOOK! PINK PONIES!
[09:20] <evader> princess pink pony
[09:20] <Timur-> Lup: yea, so hard to get guns these days.. that's why.. like everyone has th
[09:20] <`426Hemi> Randolph was selected to chair in both the First and Second Continental Co
[09:21] <Fr33Trade> The Declaration of indpence was not the birth of the country it was the b
[09:21] <bmc> Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America
[09:21] <pilgrim`> Guns are good. But I only like Goos Guns nott he offically mandated..Bad
[09:21] <`426Hemi> His first cousin once removed was President Thomas Jefferson.
[09:21] <`426Hemi> woah!
[09:21] <bmc> the US existed long before our current constitution
[09:21] <pilgrim`> good
[09:21] <`426Hemi> everyone was related back then though ;)
[09:21] <Lupine> timur: do you believe that a state or city could simply say the 4th amendmen
[09:21] <Fr33Trade> Revolution or war of independence, people debate which term to use, I don
[09:22] <Lupine> what if california simply said, there is no freedom of speech or religion or
[09:22] <pilgrim`> Rusty they all played bit parts in Deliverence
[09:22] <Fr33Trade> Lupine, California would be lying ;)
[09:22] <evader> lupine i'd life.
[09:22] <evader> errr laugh
[09:22] <blaaz> http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=77
[09:22] <evader> wierd typo that was...
[09:22] <Timur-> no, I thikn they could say because we have a rash of criminals who use guns
[09:22] <`426Hemi> I think of it as both, because it was a war of independence and a politica
[09:22] <Lupine> timur: nice.. punish the law abiding citizens for teh criminal actions of cr
[09:23] <`426Hemi> i say we illegalise cars because of speeders
[09:23] <Lupine> anyways, consider what would happen if states started to abolish other amend
[09:23] <`426Hemi> and unlicensed drivers
[09:23] <Fr33Trade> There is no way you can stop guns getting into the hands of bad people. I
[09:23] <Fr33Trade> These were the Nortenos.
[09:24] <td-> illegals?
[09:24] <Lupine> rusty: there should be a 200% registration stamp-tax on any vehicle with mor
[09:24] <MikeyD> fucking nortenos
[09:24] <Nemes> what r you guys talking about? the NRA getting vocal about police taking citi
[09:24] <Fr33Trade> Illegals ?
[09:24] <Fr33Trade> The guns were illegal yes.
[09:24] <MikeyD> those guys have their own economy in the prison system
[09:24] <MikeyD> fucking hilarious tho
[09:24] <td-> wow
[09:24] * Timur- is now known as Tim-bbl
[09:24] <pilgrim`> Lupine my grandad has a Kerosine John Deer tractor with 1 cyl. that sucer
[09:24] <gopp> Lupine did you hear this
[09:24] <bmc> instead of banning guns, they are too numerous to accomplish that, lets ban peo
[09:24] <Fr33Trade> The guns were illegals..
[09:24] <bmc> much less of them
[09:24] <pilgrim`> had
[09:25] <Lupine> NRA does not really protect the 2nd. They are more for the gun industry, hun
[09:25] <gopp> Lupine Lupine pilgrim` pilgrim` pilgrim` Lupine hi
[09:25] <gopp> Lupine Lupine pilgrim` pilgrim` pilgrim` Lupine hi
[09:25] <gopp> Well, it looks like Apple's come up with the answer. As previously rumored, th
[09:25] <Fr33Trade> The people with them were US citizens.
[09:25] <pilgrim`> hola opp
[09:25] <td-> are you sure
[09:25] <gopp> hahaha the new apple store will be open 24 /7 365 days pilgrim`
[09:25] * Publius clears his throat
[09:25] <Fr33Trade> Yes I am sure they were legal you ass, everytime I mention mexicans you m
[09:25] <gopp> in nyc, making it the city that never sleeps
[09:25] <pilgrim`> gopp not near me alas
[09:25] <td-> wiki says the nortenos are a coalition of hispanic gangs
[09:25] <Nemes> i saw a news reports about how the NRA was raising its voice against some sta
[09:25] <Fr33Trade> Nortenos are the North American (American Mexican gang)
[09:25] <PlayerTwo> why the hell does an apple store need to be open 24/7?
[09:25] <Nemes> dont know if thats relevant
[09:26] <Lupine> pilgrim prefers when the apple store closes.. he can go dumpster diving then
[09:26] <pilgrim`> gopp could you go in and get me a pound of iPods...and fries pelase?
[09:26] <Fr33Trade> Sorenos are the south american Illegal gang, or sometimes 1st generation
[09:26] <td-> did you call the cops on them
[09:26] <PlayerTwo> for all those 2am ipod runs people need, apparently
[09:26] <gopp> pilgrim` lol
[09:26] <gopp> pilgrim` Word is that the store will also be giving away one MacBook an hour t
[09:26] <Lupine> Nemes: well, Ray Nagin continues to defy a federal court order.. but without
[09:26] <pilgrim`> Lupine did I tell you about rebuilding an iPod?
[09:26] <Fr33Trade> They kill each other so why should you care ?
[09:26] <gopp> pilgrim` did you rebulid the ipod
[09:26] <Publius> gopp, the apple liberation party leader
[09:26] <pilgrim`> it was broken so...
[09:26] <gopp> pilgrim` what happen to the wifi ipod
[09:26] <td-> they commit crimes in an organized fashion
[09:26] <Fr33Trade> Especially given your apparent bigotry of Mexicans.
[09:26] <td-> they are horrible
[09:27] <gopp> pilgrim` the worst ipod to repair is the mini
[09:27] <td-> I dont mind mexicans at all
[09:27] <td-> they are a great people and its too bad their country has been ruined
[09:27] <Publius> Castro had his socialism, Guevara had his socialist revolutions, gopp has h
[09:27] <Publius> hehehe
[09:27] <gopp> pilgrim` i saw on ebay, how youc an make a 10 gb, ipod all the way up to 60 gb
[09:27] <gopp> with 100 hd
[09:27] <pilgrim`> gopp well that was the one I was workign on. I eded up giving it to my Fa
[09:27] <Publius> er
[09:27] <Publius> Castro had his communism*
[09:27] <pilgrim`> you know why Bach had so many childern?
[09:27] <Fr33Trade> td, I new Nortenos and Sorenos.. I knew them well. The Nortenos are no di
[09:27] <gopp> hayden is so old school, pilgrim`
[09:28] <pilgrim`> his organ had no stops
[09:28] <Fr33Trade> And the key thing is Broken Families.
[09:28] <vicious__> he had two wives
[09:28] <Publius> pilgrim: LOL
[09:28] <gopp> Fr33Trade yepe
[09:28] <Lupine> pilgrim is hacking an iPod to play the original 2bit IBM PS/2 "sounds"
[09:28] <gopp> Fr33Trade that my point, we have legals here who do worse or the same
[09:28] <bmc> After Yorktown, George III vowed to keep fighting. When parliament demurred, th
[09:28] <bmc> wonder if thats true, pretty neat if it is
[09:28] <Fr33Trade> Sorenos were hated by Nortenos, I dont know if that changes in Prison or
[09:28] <Fr33Trade> but on the outside they are enemies.
[09:28] <gopp> Lupine you mean the orignal mac sound
[09:28] <`426Hemi> wait until they vote to suspend the constitution and then people will real
[09:28] <pilgrim`> Lupine I actually have a colelction of 8bt machien midis
[09:28] * Publius made up a new French joke last night
[09:28] <gopp> Lupine the prong
[09:29] <Lupine> gopp: naw, he did that along time ago
[09:29] <gopp> when the mac booted rember,
[09:29] <gopp> Lupine lol
[09:29] <Fr33Trade> Morning Comet!
[09:29] <gopp> do mac still mac a sound when booted pilgrim`
[09:29] <Publius> come on...lemme test it
[09:29] <pilgrim`> Free Brazil: gangs taken to the extreme
[09:29] <Lupine> gopp: he did hack one of those cocacola "you have won" cans to play the boot
[09:29] <gopp> Lupine no way
[09:29] * vicious__ is now known as vicious-
[09:29] <gopp> :)
[09:29] <Lupine> gopp: and his toilet seat plays the star spangled banner
[09:30] <gopp> Lupine but did you read the new apple store will be open 24/7
[09:30] <pilgrim`> gopp I don't have a macbook but G5s do
[09:30] <Fr33Trade> God I feel shitty, not that anyone cares. but what in the fuck, how can a
[09:30] <blaaz> http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=155
[09:30] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim, Brazil is a very sad place for the underclass.
[09:30] <pilgrim`> Free Noro Virus
[09:30] <Publius> Fr33Trade: what you need, is a good laugh!
[09:30] <gopp> pilgrim` I rember people hacking thier mac, with regedit to get to change the
[09:30] <PlayerTwo> What you need is some Jesus.
[09:30] <pilgrim`> San Paulo - a lotta dead people there
[09:30] <PlayerTwo> not really though.
[09:30] <Fr33Trade> It is a good argument as is India for some minimal social welfare program
[09:30] <Lupine> that would be an AWESOME candid camera gag.. making a public toilet seat pla
[09:30] <gopp> Lupine lol
[09:31] <td-> glue is cooler
[09:31] <gopp> Lupine or " your ass smell"
[09:31] <Fr33Trade> Not welfare ghettos. but something aimed at at least feeding people at th
[09:31] * evader lived in sao paulo
[09:31] <gopp> "prrrrrfart"
[09:31] <pilgrim`> evader good place to be from
[09:31] <Fr33Trade> Evador, So did my Uncle for decades
[09:31] <pilgrim`> not in
[09:31] <evader> pilgrim` not now anyways
[09:31] <pilgrim`> we had an intern fromt here
[09:31] <`426Hemi> hahah Lupine, people would be standing up saluting with toilet paper in th
[09:31] <evader> the government does provide materials for favela developement
[09:32] <evader> but there is a massive divide between lower and middle/upper classes
[09:32] <gopp> Lupine I never new this
[09:32] <Fr33Trade> There are 2 worlds, at least.. In Brazil.. Though there economy has grown
[09:32] <pilgrim`> the prisons seem to be in gang control
[09:32] <evader> and the place is wicked corrupt.
[09:32] <gopp> Lupine While it sounds like a joke, the NYC Cabaret Law is very real and has f
[09:32] <Fr33Trade> Evader, Yep.
[09:32] <evader> gopp cabaret licenses lol
[09:32] <evader> it used to be technically illegal to be a bar
[09:32] <evader> you had to be a pub
[09:32] <evader> and serve food.
[09:33] <Necrosan> lol
[09:33] <evader> thus... bar food.
[09:33] <Necrosan> You can't dance in new york?
[09:33] <Necrosan> hahaah
[09:33] <PlayerTwo> I support keeping dancing illegal in NY
[09:33] <PlayerTwo> I saw Fame
[09:33] <pilgrim`> gopp NYC is a hole that the world will one day pave ovr
[09:33] <PlayerTwo> it was horrible
[09:33] <Necrosan> PlayerTwo: agreed
[09:33] <pilgrim`> been there, so the filt...left
[09:33] <gopp> pilgrim` wtf thier no dance club in nyc
[09:33] <Fr33Trade> I dont know how my Uncle felt safe there unless he has large Cajones.. He
[09:33] <gopp> that strnage
[09:33] <evader> hell nyc has almost seceded from nystate once
[09:33] <Publius> Fr33Trade: a video of a standup comic in the UK, of persian decent. http://
[09:33] <KateyAFK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBn9Nh9r-0Y&search=robot%20chicken%20vader
[09:33] * KateyAFK is now known as Katey
[09:33] <evader> and there has been multiple propositions to do so
[09:33] <Publius> Fr33Trade: that should cheer you up!
[09:33] <evader> in the past couple years
[09:33] <Fr33Trade> Him being a gringo and GE exec.
[09:33] <evader> in state and city senate
[09:34] <evader> one of these days... NYC is gonna become the 51st state.
[09:34] <Fr33Trade> Publius, Going to call my doctor first brb
[09:34] <pilgrim`> gopp there are rude people, bad food, high prices, scary gangs, crumbling
[09:34] <Publius> "I am from the UN security council global commedy tour, Carrot top is in Ka
[09:34] <Necrosan> Detroit is way more hard than new york
[09:34] <Publius> comedy*
[09:34] <pilgrim`> and those are the GOOD points
[09:35] <evader> if carrot top goes to the middle east expect a rise in oil prices amid fears
[09:35] <Fr33Trade> Jesus christ, they are not open today till later.
[09:35] <pilgrim`> evader look at Brazil and Bolivia
[09:35] <Fr33Trade> brb nature call
[09:35] <pilgrim`> Free never call the doc on golf day
[09:35] <evader> pilgrim` what am i looking for?
[09:36] <pilgrim`> evader Bolivia nationalized the Brazilian Natural gas infustructure. cost
[09:36] <pilgrim`> Brazil is Bolivia's largets customer
[09:36] <Publius> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/18/senate.gaymarriage.ap/index.html &l
[09:36] <Publius> "I don't need to be lectured by you. You are no more a protector of the Con
[09:36] <pilgrim`> Brazil ain't happy
[09:36] <Publius> GOOOO SPECTER
[09:36] <evader> what really got em was the real devaluing after they sunk so much cash on st
[09:37] <Publius> "If you want to leave, good riddance," Specter finished.
[09:37] <Fr33Trade> Back. Hmm I need to check some info on the internet, brb
[09:37] <pilgrim`> Brazil is best rememebred for Carnival...the rest of the year, live esewhe
[09:38] <evader> and kickass soccer
[09:38] <evader> they gonna roll the world cup this year
[09:38] <evader> actually some parts of brazil are very nice.
[09:38] <evader> the pantanal is probably the pretiest place on earth i've ever seen.
[09:39] <PlayerTwo> Specter sounds a lot like Phelps.
[09:39] <gopp> cool
[09:39] <gopp> sirius Bluegrass gets new morning host
[09:39] <gopp> Ned Luberecki has been promoted from weekend host to weekday morning man on SI
[09:39] <evader> also its not toooo bad in brasil
[09:39] <evader> the gangs keep mostly to themselves usually
[09:39] <evader> and crime is generally not violent unless the police or private security get
[09:40] <gopp> Luberecki is also a musician who has been playing and teaching bluegrass banjo
[09:40] <Tim-bbl> there's certainly 'no way' itll happen if no real effort towards stopping i
[09:40] <Tim-bbl> and with that, bbl.
[09:40] <evader> you are more likly to get shot by police or bank guards than you are a robbe
[09:40] <CanOfSpam> Today, the Mets go down.
[09:40] <CanOfSpam> Off to Busch stadium
[09:40] <pilgrim`> evader does Brazil prohibit private firearms or is that left to each state
[09:40] <Publius> CanofSpam: "beat the mets" is a sports talk radio hit here in ATL
[09:40] <evader> not prohibited
[09:40] <evader> they have a huge gun control issue
[09:41] <pilgrim`> same as here
[09:41] <evader> so private security tends to be well armed.
[09:41] <evader> well... they are or were considered the gun running captial of the world.
[09:41] <evader> it says a lot that rio needs the military to get into favelas at all.
[09:41] <pilgrim`> I am looking for a friendly place witha colapsed economy to retire to
[09:42] <evader> stay away from major cities, and the north of brazil
[09:42] <evader> and you could pull it off
[09:42] <pilgrim`> I have heard of the North South divide
[09:42] <evader> brazilians tend to be very nice people
[09:42] <evader> even the criminals.
[09:42] <PlayerTwo> "22 Brazillian people dead"
[09:42] <PlayerTwo> how much is a brazillian?
[09:42] <pilgrim`> I woudl need learn Portugese, but I canread Latin so it shoudl not be too
[09:42] <evader> yeah i called that shit with the police reprisals..
[09:42] <evader> sao paulo policia civil are not to be taken lightly
[09:43] <evader> they aren't like rio's police
[09:43] <evader> they don't give up and call the military in.
[09:43] <bmc> the only reason we would need to put marriage in the constitution is because of
[09:43] <evader> they will make people disappear.
[09:43] <bmc> maybe if we amend the constitution, it should be something to curb that problem
[09:43] <bmc> and not have to keep adding amendments for every issue they want to stretch on
[09:43] <evader> i was not the least bit surprised when they offed 30+ suspected gang members
[09:43] <pilgrim`> I saw a news pic of a "prison rioter" holdign a rope aroud the severed h
[09:44] <evader> pilgrim` yeah
[09:44] <evader> the prisons in brazil are possibly the worst in the world.
[09:44] <evader> on every level.
[09:44] <pilgrim`> I had a friend who spent 3 years in a Mex prison
[09:44] <evader> i would bet dollars to donuts brazils prisons are worse.
[09:44] <pilgrim`> I would too
[09:44] <evader> especially the ones in the north
[09:45] <pilgrim`> but then Turkish have a bad rep too
[09:45] <evader> they've had month long riots
[09:45] <pilgrim`> thats just to clear out and make more bunk space
[09:45] <evader> that only end because they stop recieving food, water, waste removal, and ke
[09:45] <pilgrim`> America might try that
[09:45] <bmc> if a state says marriage is only between one man and one woman
[09:45] <bmc> who is the federal government to interfere
[09:46] <evader> the thing is...
[09:46] <bmc> its a state issue
[09:46] <pilgrim`> after its over I bet the prison has lots of toom
[09:46] <evader> you know the police are corrupt
[09:46] <evader> but they are also killed all the time by criminalks
[09:46] <evader> so they don't take any shit at all
[09:46] <evader> from anyone.
[09:46] <evader> when it comes to putting down crime...
[09:46] <evader> they can be very effective.
[09:47] <pilgrim`> "Businesses and individuals in Britain may soon have to give their encrypt
[09:47] <evader> i feel kinda bad for sao paulo... a lot of innocent people are gonna get cau
[09:47] <pilgrim`> not bloodly likely
[09:47] <godfist> who is sao paulo again
[09:47] <evader> st paul
[09:47] <pilgrim`> evader a good time to leave town and visit the country cousins
[09:48] <pilgrim`> Saul fo Tarsus
[09:48] <pilgrim`> of
[09:48] <evader> not in the STATE os sao paulo
[09:48] <evader> err of
[09:48] <evader> see its not just the city
[09:48] <evader> its the whole freaking state
[09:48] <pilgrim`> city/state governemnt?
[09:48] <evader> the city is big enough
[09:48] <gopp> Hillary: Murdering Babies is a Basic Right
[09:48] <gopp>
[09:48] <evader> but the state is huge
[09:48] <evader> the current gang war with the police
[09:48] <evader> is happening all across the state
[09:48] <pilgrim`> I read the city was like 14 millions
[09:48] <evader> and surrounding states.
[09:48] <pilgrim`> thats flamin HUGE
[09:48] <evader> city is actually over 20
[09:48] <evader> last i checked
[09:49] <pilgrim`> wow
[09:49] <evader> its one of the largest in the world.
[09:49] <evader> if not the largest
[09:49] <pilgrim`> you could fit several US cities in that
[09:49] <evader> yes
[09:49] <evader> easily.
[09:49] <pilgrim`> the DF in Mexico was ocne the biggest
[09:49] <pilgrim`> once
[09:49] <pilgrim`> and Tokyo
[09:49] <pilgrim`> but Tokyo is far better behaved
[09:49] <evader> its the sorta city you need to take helicopter flights to get to the other s
[09:50] <evader> tokyo is condensed.
[09:50] <evader> sp is spread out
[09:50] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim what are encryption keys ? I just got back and see your statement
[09:50] <pilgrim`> largest pre-industrial city was ROme: 1 million
[09:50] <evader> so its not just huge... its actually geographically huge...
[09:50] <pilgrim`> Free you ever use PGP?
[09:50] <Fr33Trade> You mean computer encyrption for their offices and person use ?
[09:50] <Fr33Trade> Pilgirm yes and others.
[09:50] <pilgrim`> evader Albuquerque is like that, only less people
[09:50] <evader> lots of companies mandate php now.
[09:50] <evader> errr
[09:50] <evader> pgp
[09:51] <pilgrim`> the seed number for PGP is your "private key"
[09:51] <Fr33Trade> They require a registration of encryption keys if you encrypt ?
[09:51] <Fr33Trade> Thats insane.
[09:51] <pilgrim`> yeah tell me about it
[09:51] <P_O> PGP is a system that uses asymetric encryption to encrypt a symetric key which
[09:51] <Fr33Trade> Thats a violation of civil liberties.. Americans should wake the fuck up.
[09:51] <evader> the creator of pgp went to jail
[09:51] <pilgrim`> I could just see say BP handing over the keys of their most sensitive comm
[09:51] <evader> for creating it
[09:51] <evader> for a time =P
[09:51] <Fr33Trade> Not these NSA stories which are largely falsely reported as far as detail
[09:52] <P_O> Why do you have to report the keys?
[09:52] <evader> actually Fr33Trade that was related to britain
[09:52] <evader> not the US
[09:52] <evader> the registry of keys
[09:52] <Fr33Trade> Evader, I heard that.
[09:52] <pilgrim`> this is about the UK but we will be in lock step
[09:52] <evader> unlikely...
[09:52] <Fr33Trade> My point is if Americans want an example of violations of civil liberties
[09:52] <P_O> That wouldn't work in the US, cause there's too many people who'd do it anyway.
[09:52] <evader> unless it was worked into sarbanes oxley...
[09:52] <P_O> and there's no real way to prove they're using an illegal key if they do it rig
[09:52] <evader> it wouldn't happen.
[09:53] <pilgrim`> oh but I want to work int he cops "key registry" and get kickbacks from va
[09:53] <Fr33Trade> I know it wouldnt happen in the USA. Thats my point.
[09:53] <Publius> THe UK has 47,000 publican cameras
[09:53] <Publius> that may be just in London
[09:53] <Fr33Trade> People need to get real about what civil liberties are.
[09:53] <pilgrim`> Free bend over, turn head and cough please
[09:53] <Fr33Trade> Qwest bragged about refusing to helpt he NSA under any circumstances.. Go
[09:54] <Fr33Trade> Qwest might as well be considered an ally of Al qUEDA
[09:54] <Fr33Trade> whoops
[09:54] <td-> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Senate panel advanced a constitutional ban on same-sex
[09:54] <td-> haha
[09:54] <pilgrim`> I have a simple way to aviod such. don't
[09:54] <fordnut> lol
[09:54] <pilgrim`> I use qest, but, I have a rotary phone
[09:54] <Fr33Trade> Again I really wish people would look at the sacrafices and the war fight
[09:54] <P_O> I wouldn't want an ISP that hands over shit just through request.
[09:55] <evader> Fr33Trade in ww2 michael moore would have been tried for treason
[09:55] <Fr33Trade> And by the way a moderate Democrat was the first one I heard suggest that
[09:55] <evader> and probably convicted.
[09:55] <evader> people dunno how good they have it
[09:55] <evader> just 50 years later.
[09:55] <Fr33Trade> Mort Kondrake.. very centrist Democrat though.
[09:55] <evader> well 60
[09:55] <evader> but whose counting
[09:55] <pilgrim`> there is no real reason nor need to sacrafice that which we are fighting f
[09:56] <evader> but by the same token...
[09:56] <Publius> fordnut: O Canada...true patriot love in all thy sons command!
[09:56] <evader> whats going on in iraq and .af isn't really a war
[09:56] <Fr33Trade> Plgrim, Qwest is aiding Al queda, Where do they exist what subsidiaries ?
[09:56] <evader> detroit tends to have a higher casuality rate.
[09:56] <bmc> all 3 of the major companies named in the US Today story have denied providing
[09:56] <Fr33Trade> I dont even know if they service my area.
[09:56] <bmc> vluntarily or otherwise
[09:56] <Fr33Trade> BMC, they have denied specific allegations.
[09:56] <evader> bmc that's because they provided it to the fbi
[09:56] <evader> =P
[09:57] <Fr33Trade> not broad allegations other than qwest.
[09:57] <Fr33Trade> They have denied any contract for one thing.
[09:57] <Publius> fbi = female boob instector
[09:57] <bmc> they have the complete statements on CNN websites
[09:57] * Publius runs
[09:57] <evader> bmc i'd rather inspect the whole body
[09:57] <bmc> or did anyways
[09:57] <Fr33Trade> I hope a federal judge intervenes and tosses these lawsuits out for reaso
[09:57] <P_O> Publius, I was in an adult store the other day and they were selling those fake
[09:58] <Fr33Trade> In a sense its like suing the NSA, you cant.
[09:58] <Publius> P_O: LOL
[09:58] <Publius> P_O: I think I am going to buy one
[09:58] <Publius> actually
[09:58] <Publius> good idea
[09:58] <Publius> er
[09:58] <P_O> Publius, you should.
[09:58] <P_O> :P
[09:58] <Publius> thanks for reminding me
[09:58] <evader> how can you sue that which does not exist?
[09:58] <evader> john doe lawsuit against the nsa?
[09:58] <Fr33Trade> Evader, Unfortunately people seem to be able to sue for anything.
[09:58] <evader> i've noticed...
[09:59] <evader> the patent office needs to be abolished
[09:59] <evader> its not longer constitutional at this point
[09:59] <evader> and its fucking shit up
[09:59] <Publius> CIA= ummm controlling introverted assholes(only in reference to Hoover)
[09:59] <Publius> hehehe
[09:59] <evader> hoover was fbi...
[09:59] <P_O> Hoover should've been the president shot :P
[09:59] <Publius> DAMNIT
[09:59] <Publius> wait
[09:59] <Publius> no
[09:59] <Publius> I got it
[09:59] <evader> and hoover knew how to get down in a dress
[10:00] <P_O> That's the only cool part about Hoover.
[10:00] <P_O> Otherwise he was a racist ass who used his powers against blacks.
[10:00] <Publius> well I think he hated communist
[10:00] <Publius> too
[10:00] <Publius> though
[10:00] <evader> well to be fair BET is a racist ass that uses its powers against whites.
[10:00] <Fr33Trade> My dad once stated that there should be a panel of judges or something wh
[10:00] <evader> we don't knock them
[10:00] <P_O> BET's powers don't include the FBI and the justice dept.
[10:00] <P_O> :P
[10:01] <evader> P_O they include so much more..
[10:01] <evader> the power of bling and beatz.
[10:01] <P_O> How so?
[10:01] <P_O> Oh yase.
[10:01] <P_O> :P
[10:01] <Fr33Trade> Evader, of course. Could you Imagine a WET ? Its a double standard, but i
[10:01] <evader> also, orwell would argue a voice to the proles would be stronger than anythi
[10:02] <P_O> I just like BET for the comedy they do every once in a while and for the music
[10:02] <evader> and BET speaks to a very large uneducated majority in certain regions of the
[10:02] <Fr33Trade> Its a good station for black children to watch to help insure if they are
[10:02] <Fr33Trade> Hoover was not racist.
[10:02] <P_O> He wasn't?
[10:02] <evader> hoover hated white people.
[10:02] <evader> he was a black panther.
[10:03] <pilgrim`> http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-1743695.php
[10:03] <Fr33Trade> I have studied J.Edgar Hoover extensively. Let me re-phrase he was not ov
[10:04] <SweetLeaf> Dang I must love this place to go through what I just went through
[10:04] <Fr33Trade> Black Activism in the 70s which I supported often, was in fact scary some
[10:04] <bmc> verizon is being sued for $5B
[10:04] <bmc> :P
[10:04] <bmc> hah
[10:05] <SweetLeaf> Comcast I have conquered you
[10:06] <SweetLeaf> Chiago riots Tanks n everything
[10:06] <Fr33Trade> Hoovers fucking around with MLK, like he did with JFK and Any other publi
[10:06] <Fr33Trade> and he did.
[10:06] <bmc> $1k for each violation
[10:06] <bmc> or $5b if certified as class action
[10:06] <Fr33Trade> He didnt pick them because they were communists, he picked them because t
[10:07] <bmc> SweetLeaf ident give you trouble?
[10:07] <Fr33Trade> And when LBJ said look these guys are a liability and will be used agains
[10:07] <SweetLeaf> It took me almost 3 days to get this fucking switch to let me in here
[10:07] <SweetLeaf> cant find firmware for it
[10:07] <SweetLeaf> fuxing D link
[10:08] <Fr33Trade> A lot of Hoovers life though seemed contradictory, His public persecution
[10:08] <SweetLeaf> If you got the silver one you are ok but if you got the brown one you are
[10:08] <pilgrim`> DLinks work if you know how to treat them but they are not as flexibale as
[10:08] <SweetLeaf> d link dont have firmware for my switch
[10:08] <pilgrim`> I have one of the earliest G type D-Links
[10:09] <SweetLeaf> they have a link
[10:09] <pilgrim`> Sweet what model?
[10:09] <SweetLeaf> Mine is very old
[10:09] <SweetLeaf> it is the DI 704P
[10:09] <SweetLeaf> brown one
[10:09] <evader> wanna hear something funny?
[10:09] <bmc> The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) applauded Qwest's decision not to part
[10:10] <evader> from that airforcetimes link
[10:10] <SweetLeaf> Just reading through all the info on the web is a chore
[10:10] <evader> my little brother thinks he may have driven that truck
[10:10] <SweetLeaf> trial n error
[10:10] <SweetLeaf> suxed
[10:10] <evader> int he slide show
[10:10] <Fr33Trade> But thats not hard to understand really, He was gay in his orientation bu
[10:10] <evader> if its dyess af base
[10:10] <SweetLeaf> I am not a computer guy
[10:10] <Fr33Trade> EFF = Al Queda allies.
[10:10] <SweetLeaf> I can build one but the software end forget it
[10:10] <pilgrim`> rev 2.60B2 ?
[10:10] <bmc> A federal judge in San Francisco ruled today that the Electronic Frontier Found
[10:11] <SweetLeaf> shows you how much I love you people here heh
[10:11] <SweetLeaf> Pil I cant even find a download for the thing
[10:11] <evader> bmc is that the nsa thing?
[10:11] <bmc> wonder if thats why they came out with the denials?
[10:11] <SweetLeaf> now it works due to my expertise so all is well til next time
[10:11] <bmc> evader yea, thats from eff's website
[10:12] <evader> eff is a little too left wing for my tastes
[10:12] <Fr33Trade> BMC, Otherwise stated, the Most overturned Federal Court and the court wh
[10:12] <SweetLeaf> Now i got to get up off my ass it is killing me
[10:12] <SweetLeaf> heh
[10:13] <evader> california legal system is the black sheep of the judicial branch of governm
[10:13] <evader> fo sho
[10:13] <Fr33Trade> My brother has to deal with the 9th circuit a lot, so why is that relevan
[10:14] <bmc> they had the full statements from all these companies on cnn.com yesterday righ
[10:14] <Fr33Trade> Political he is in synch with them, as a lawyer who deals with them frequ
[10:14] <bmc> cant find them now
[10:14] <Fr33Trade> If this is a NSA classified action, the Federal government could block th
[10:15] <Fr33Trade> Evader, its not California its 10 western states I believe..
[10:15] <Fr33Trade> Its the largest appeals court in the USA
[10:15] <Fr33Trade> it should be broken up into 2 many people think.
[10:15] <SweetLeaf> I just sent d link a nasty email
[10:15] <Fr33Trade> I agree with them.
[10:16] <Fr33Trade> Sweet, what happened with dlink ?
[10:16] <SweetLeaf> theyy dont provide firmware for my switch
[10:16] <Fr33Trade> ahh..
[10:16] <SweetLeaf> I been fuxing around for 3 days trying to get in here
[10:16] <SweetLeaf> off n on
[10:17] <Fr33Trade> I have a coveted first generation linksys router which is popular with ha
[10:17] <gopp> Fr33Trade yw
[10:17] <gopp> YEA
[10:17] <SweetLeaf> this one is like a set in stone one
[10:17] <gopp> i DONE LOTS
[10:17] <gopp> EVENM HAS VPN
[10:17] <Fr33Trade> But its range is not good in my opinion. and some other issues with it. b
[10:17] <gopp> OPPS
[10:17] <Fr33Trade> brb
[10:17] <gopp> Fr33Trade i have one also and made in to a vpn
[10:18] <pilgrim`> Sweet did you try Taiwan?
[10:18] <pilgrim`> http://tsd.dlink.com.tw/ModelList.asp?SourceType=download
[10:18] <SweetLeaf> if I had the silver one I would be ok but I bought the first model
[10:18] <bmc> Fr33Trade they already files secret motions to have them dismissed
[10:18] <bmc> hasnt happened up to yet
[10:18] <bmc> filed*
[10:18] <gopp> get belikin'
[10:18] <gopp> life time warranty
[10:18] <SweetLeaf> The d link site dont have any firmware updated for my switch I emailed th
[10:18] <pilgrim`> Sweet specifically http://tsd.dlink.com.tw/ModelDocuView.asp?SourceType=do
[10:18] <pilgrim`> see the bottom of that link
[10:18] <bmc> http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2006_05.php#004662
[10:19] <Fr33Trade> Back, GOP, What are they selling for now ?
[10:19] <SweetLeaf> I will check it out
[10:19] <Fr33Trade> bmc, cool
[10:19] <pilgrim`> that is on YOUR specific ver ov the router thingy
[10:19] <Fr33Trade> The federal govt has ?
[10:19] <Fr33Trade> Thats cool.
[10:20] <SweetLeaf> downloading it pil but I dont really need it anymore I am in here heh
[10:20] <Fr33Trade> I dont often stick up a lot for the federal government, if not for 911 an
[10:20] <pilgrim`> Sweet burn it to CD and put it away lad
[10:20] <SweetLeaf> You bet
[10:21] <SweetLeaf> I know something will crash someday
[10:21] <pilgrim`> Sweet I haev found that if you are lookign for drivers. 9 times out of 10
[10:21] <bmc> While EFF was not permitted to see the government's entire brief, in a redacted
[10:21] <SweetLeaf> just getting xp to work with irc is a chore
[10:21] <gopp> Fr33Trade cheap
[10:21] <bmc> what does that mean? oh well if AT&T broke the law nothing we can do about it c
[10:21] <Fr33Trade> EFF is probably more interested in impressing its 20-30 year old internet
[10:21] <gopp> but belkin is best router
[10:21] <bmc> that wont fly
[10:21] <pilgrim`> if you can figure how to dig thru their FTP site you will find ti long aft
[10:21] <gopp> Fr33Trade linksys is only one year warranty
[10:21] <SweetLeaf> best router is one you plug in and dont have to see it ever again
[10:21] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, I read someone with a hacked linksys router provided ISP service fo
[10:22] <P_O> I like that my ISP isn't going in with the NSA.
[10:22] <ManKind> wrt54g with ddwrt firmware :)
[10:22] <Fr33Trade> cul de sac
[10:22] <P_O> Like enough of my packets aren't logged anyway.
[10:22] <SweetLeaf> this one was it until identd
[10:22] <Fr33Trade> PO, But arent they ? YOu dont know that.
[10:22] <pilgrim`> Swet My net has like 3 nested routers
[10:22] <bmc> http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/GovMotiontoDismiss.pdf
[10:22] <P_O> Fr33Trade, I don't know which?
[10:22] <bmc> theres the actual motion
[10:22] <SweetLeaf> see pil I dont know this shit
[10:22] <pilgrim`> but then, I think I was the 1st person here who ever had a home net
[10:22] <gopp> i hate drivers
[10:22] <SweetLeaf> I am a novice
[10:22] <gopp> so hard to find if it old device
[10:23] <Fr33Trade> There are major hubs in the internet, pipelines if you want to call them
[10:23] <pilgrim`> Sweet hell I don't either...I just fake it ;)
[10:23] <SweetLeaf> real noviec since 95 heh
[10:23] <P_O> Fr33Trade, I know they can
[10:23] <P_O> and they probably already do
[10:23] <gopp> pilgrim` do you think about the netgear mp101
[10:23] <P_O> and that's what I'm saying.
[10:23] <gopp> are thier any hacks
[10:23] <bmc> the courts have ruled on a few things
[10:23] <P_O> Enough of my packets are logged without my ISP directly doing it.
[10:23] <pilgrim`> gopp it doesn't do Appletalk
[10:23] <bmc> internet anonymity is one of them
[10:23] <SweetLeaf> all these numbers just dont stick in my brain
[10:23] <pilgrim`> not important to most, but it is to me
[10:23] <gopp> to me it used to be
[10:23] <Fr33Trade> This is what we did to russia which had one major pipline for communicati
[10:24] <evader> Fr33trade i'd say that'd be hard... except they did it in the 60s-80s under
[10:24] <SweetLeaf> give me a house I can wire it up but computers
[10:24] <gopp> I used to use apppletalk
[10:24] <gopp> my netgear worked
[10:24] <gopp> but linksys didn't
[10:24] <pilgrim`> I want a router to be protocol neutral/ D-Link is
[10:24] <Fr33Trade> SO many people and or locations can snatch your packets.
[10:24] <bmc> In a key privacy decision, the Supreme Court this week let stand a lower court'
[10:24] <pilgrim`> Linsys sucks on anythign bet TCP
[10:24] <gopp> pilgrim` why do you use applt talk for
[10:24] <gopp> know
[10:24] <gopp> appletalk
[10:24] <Fr33Trade> The server you connect to, The server it connects to, and so on.
[10:24] <P_O> Fr33Trade, ISPs can tell someone who you are directly though
[10:24] <pilgrim`> becasue....
[10:24] <P_O> that's thei mportant part.
[10:24] <bmc> In a decision hailed by free-speech advocates, the Delaware Supreme Court on We
[10:24] <pilgrim`> my 2 printers and 2 Apple IIs use Appletalk to share files
[10:24] <Fr33Trade> PO there is no allegation of gathering names.
[10:25] <gopp> Fr33Trade they have no right to log my internet usage
[10:25] <pilgrim`> Localtalk actually
[10:25] <gopp> the federal goverment has no right
[10:25] <SweetLeaf> I want a router that I just tell I need something and click there it is
[10:25] <P_O> Fr33Trade, lol
[10:25] <SweetLeaf> Click there it is
[10:25] <SweetLeaf> Click there it is
[10:25] <pilgrim`> I want a net I can experiment with variosu protocols on
[10:25] <Fr33Trade> Not even the anti nsa forces make the allegation of names though USA toda
[10:25] <gopp> Fr33Trade how dare, the federal goverment check my internet log
[10:26] <evader> OH NOES THEY KNOW I AM BORING!!
[10:26] <SweetLeaf> the internet is like yelling out the window
[10:26] * evader cuts self
[10:26] <SweetLeaf> evryone sees it
[10:26] <pilgrim`> I wonder will they share their findings witht he RIAA?
[10:26] <Fr33Trade> You want real security I mean 100% so that people have to break down your
[10:26] <gopp> so if I use a proxy, they can't realy trace my connection
[10:26] <pilgrim`> gopp depends
[10:26] <P_O> Actually if you want security, use someone else's computer :P
[10:26] <pilgrim`> exactly
[10:26] <P_O> gopp, they can if they try.
[10:27] <evader> botnets ftw
[10:27] <pilgrim`> If I wanted to discuss a bombing or the liek I would drive by 802.11 borro
[10:27] <ManKind> they have backdoors on everything, even encryption technologies
[10:27] <Fr33Trade> Buy hacked telephones, though I dont think they work anymore, in the ghet
[10:27] <gopp> Fr33Trade I rember that
[10:27] <gopp> my cousin had one
[10:27] <Fr33Trade> You stole it, someone would hack it. and make it work.
[10:27] <gopp> what an idiot
[10:27] <gopp> my mom told my cousin, why did you buy legal shit
[10:27] <gopp> she liek cuase I can call international
[10:27] <gopp> for free
[10:27] <gopp> and she did
[10:28] <gopp> she called guatemala for hours
[10:28] <pilgrim`> I know HOW to hack one...but I didn't
[10:28] <gopp> it was hacked
[10:28] <gopp> I supect pilgrim` would know
[10:28] <gopp> hahahhahahahah
[10:28] <bmc> "Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing d
[10:28] <gopp> pilgrim` have you found out how to get xm on a newton
[10:28] <P_O> I should've gotten more into phreaking.
[10:28] <bmc> McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (1995)
[10:28] <P_O> It's fun stuff.
[10:28] <pilgrim`> gopp it could be done
[10:28] <gopp> P_O you can hack
[10:28] <gopp> P_O is the hacker
[10:28] <gopp> pilgrim` it can, wtf
[10:28] <gopp> hahah xm on a newton hhahahahah
[10:28] <P_O> Nah, I'm not a hacker.
[10:29] <pilgrim`> but why? the Newt has a limited CPU, and very slow i/o
[10:29] <gopp> cuase you get braging rightws
[10:29] <gopp> and that would be one portable xm player
[10:29] <pilgrim`> well I ran a web server on one. is that good enough?
[10:29] <gopp> hahhehehhahahehehahahehehahahehehehahahehehehahahehehahahhehehehehehe
[10:29] <P_O> I wrote a webserver on mIRC in 98SE
[10:29] * P_O wins.
[10:30] <pilgrim`> I used it to serve some BBS software.
[10:30] <gopp> jajajajajaajjajajajajaajajajajjaaaaaaajjjajajajjjjaaajajajajjaja :)
[10:30] <gopp> pilgrim` on newton
[10:30] <pilgrim`> the BBS ran on a Apple IIgs
[10:30] <gopp> jajajajjajajajajajajajaaajjaaajjajajajaj
[10:30] <Fr33Trade> gopp, You ok ?
[10:30] <Fr33Trade> :)
[10:30] * Publius thinks we should start up a Zell for prez 08 campaign
[10:31] <pilgrim`> yes, to a Newton running a TCP stack. it required the CF driver for the s
[10:31] <gopp> Fr33Trade :) (drunk)
[10:31] <gopp> joking
[10:31] <Fr33Trade> bmc, Very important rights.. In peacetime.
[10:31] <Publius> Zell Miller, the 44th President of the U.S.A
[10:31] * Publius oggles
[10:31] <pilgrim`> it was only at 802.11b but since the Newton slowed it all down anywat that
[10:31] <Fr33Trade> Or if gathered for any other purpose than war.
[10:31] <P_O> Fr33Trade, that's the bullshit part with people who are supposedly hawkish abou
[10:31] <P_O> is you can now say that any time isn't peacetime.
[10:31] <Fr33Trade> I should say if violated.
[10:31] <bmc> we are in peacetime, wartime powers arent enacted unless under congressional de
[10:32] <P_O> Peacetime is no longer actually related to being in a war or not.
[10:32] <bmc> also your rights dont go away when were at war
[10:32] <pilgrim`> depends
[10:32] <bmc> the government just has more power
[10:32] <pilgrim`> bmc they did int he Civil War
[10:32] <gopp> P_O you wrote your own webserver using tcp packets
[10:32] <Publius> well
[10:32] <bmc> pilgrim` illegally
[10:32] <Publius> if you look in the constitution
[10:32] <Publius> article 9
[10:32] <Fr33Trade> PO, Before 911 you couldnt, but we are in a defacto state of war with Al
[10:32] <SweetLeaf> We are in a 100 years war is radical Islam
[10:32] <pilgrim`> to a leser degree in WWI and WWII
[10:32] <Publius> er
[10:32] <Publius> sorry
[10:32] <Publius> article 1
[10:33] <Publius> section 9
[10:33] <Publius> paragraph 2
[10:33] <SweetLeaf> I will die before I see an end
[10:33] <Necrosan> I heard in the next war we have we will be using LASER based weapons
[10:33] <pilgrim`> see the mass deportatiosn from NY and many deported were actually US citiz
[10:33] <Necrosan> How deadly, eh?
[10:33] <pilgrim`> WWI period
[10:33] <pilgrim`> Laser is old hat
[10:33] <gopp> !seen TheTailor
[10:33] <pilgrim`> particle beam
[10:33] <bmc> Publius there is no rebellion or invasion
[10:33] <SweetLeaf> I heard the next war is on
[10:33] <gopp> last seen on #politics
[10:34] <Publius> The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless w
[10:34] <P_O> Fr33Trade, I really doubt the reason NSA wants to tap net activity is over Iraq
[10:34] <Publius> Public Safety may require it
[10:34] <Fr33Trade> So the problem is when al Queda no longer is an organization 'capable' of
[10:34] <bmc> Publius rebellion or invasion
[10:34] <Publius> note
[10:34] <Publius> "public safety"
[10:34] <bmc> we havent been invaded (except by illegal aliens)
[10:34] <pilgrim`> Serbia/ Bosnia was a charlie foxtrot
[10:34] <bmc> and nobody is rebelling
[10:34] <Publius> it is specifically broad
[10:34] <Fr33Trade> PO, Do you really think the NSA gives a fuck about you stealing one song
[10:34] <Publius> it doesn't have to be
[10:34] <Fr33Trade> Or whether you are gay or straight ?
[10:34] <blaaz> teach your infants this, kiss the microchip on your wrist!
[10:34] <bmc> it says it specifically
[10:35] <bmc> unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it
[10:35] <P_O> Fr33Trade, no, but I do think they care that my name is Muhamad :P
[10:35] <Fr33Trade> OR that your life or mine is so interesting they want to tap us ?
[10:35] <bmc> not unless the public Safety may require it
[10:35] <Publius> bmc: I had a staunch con professor argue
[10:35] <Publius> that terrorism applied
[10:35] <Publius> lol
[10:35] <Fr33Trade> If they think my life is interesting, have at it.. boy will they be dissa
[10:35] <pilgrim`> Free today the NSA doesn't care. but some in the pocket bought and paid fo
[10:35] <bmc> they mean foreign invasion i am sure of it
[10:35] <Publius> besides, Habeus corpus applies to cits
[10:35] <Publius> of the US
[10:35] <pilgrim`> it has happened many times before
[10:35] <SweetLeaf> FT they can come here and I will smoke them out
[10:35] <bmc> we havent been invaded
[10:35] <Bird_> the latest liberal tripe is that bush is actually a zombie. here is their 'pr
[10:36] <bmc> we had a single terrorist attack on 9/11
[10:36] <Publius> those sumbitches at Gitmo
[10:36] <Publius> are all foreigners...majority
[10:36] <Publius> over 90 percent
[10:36] <pilgrim`> "I'm from the gubmin and I am here to help ya" always always always a lie
[10:36] <ManKind> bmc which one was that?
[10:36] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim the only case I know of where a federal agency was either used or
[10:36] <pilgrim`> political
[10:36] <bmc> ManKind 9/11? :P
[10:36] <blaaz> they sell fear to the masses just so they can justify all their fucked up act
[10:36] <Publius> pilgrim: Reagan was a great orator
[10:37] <evader> I like the US government.
[10:37] <ManKind> lol
[10:37] <pilgrim`> Free how many have been used for personla, or commercial uses? I can cite
[10:37] * Publius gasps
[10:37] <evader> Team America.
[10:37] <Publius> what what what
[10:37] <evader> Fuck Yeah
[10:37] <Publius> evader: you cannot be american
[10:37] <Publius> lol
[10:37] <evader> it's cool to be a rebel.
[10:37] <evader> so it's cool to love uncle sam.
[10:38] <Publius> Ahhhh
[10:38] <Lithium-> rofl, look at the main pic on cnn site
[10:38] <Fr33Trade> Since then I have not heard of a single case and people investigate these
[10:38] <pilgrim`> would YOU trust the government with your private keys?
[10:38] <blaaz> buy elections, avoid any questions, give fake answers, americas cancer
[10:38] <ManKind> evader = dick cheney
[10:38] <evader> be a rebel support organized government!
[10:38] <Lithium-> Hayden looks like Dr. evil
[10:38] <Publius> evader: so whatever country you are in...hates america...therefore you like
[10:38] <Publius> to rebel
[10:38] <Publius> and antagonize
[10:38] <Fr33Trade> There are so many government watch dog groups public and private its unre
[10:38] <Publius> evader *high 5*
[10:38] <Fr33Trade> From honest ones to zealots to partisan hacks on both sides.
[10:38] <evader> Publius I live in NYC
[10:38] <evader> and NYC does hate the US
[10:38] <evader> and by loving the US
[10:38] <evader> I do rebel!
[10:38] <Publius> evader: the liberal heart of darkness ;)
[10:39] <pilgrim`> Free I do not trust the press, I do not trust the beltway bandits and a RE
[10:39] <evader> the liberal heart of darkness that consistently votes for republicans...
[10:39] <Herzen> Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov has lived up to his reputation of a homophobic rul
[10:39] <Herzen> Sweet.
[10:39] <Publius> evader: god damn states
[10:39] <blaaz> who in their right mind would trust this govt.??
[10:39] <pilgrim`> I trust thee and me and sometimes I worry about thee ;)
[10:39] <Publius> evader: I honestly started supporting Bush at 17 cause all my peers hated h
[10:39] <evader> blaaz I WOULD!
[10:39] <Publius> and then I found out I honestly do like Bush
[10:39] <Publius> lol
[10:39] <blaaz> ur crazy
[10:39] <pilgrim`> A*N*Y governemnt
[10:39] <evader> I only liked him after i saw him do the dr evil pinky thing on tv
[10:39] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim can tell you the years before the war in Iraq, I was very critica
[10:39] <evader> that was awesome.
[10:39] <Publius> LOL
[10:40] <Fr33Trade> In fact most my life I have fought government power.. But I draw a very d
[10:40] <blaaz> its all smoke and mirrors, for the blind eyes and deaf ears
[10:40] <evader> hbo did a documentary on dubya while he was on the campaign trail
[10:40] <evader> before becoming president
[10:40] <Fr33Trade> very strong distinction
[10:40] <evader> its fucking hilarious
[10:40] <evader> you gotta pick it up
[10:40] <Publius> blaaz, the rhetoric bot for the current fad of anti-establishment
[10:40] <Herzen> Moscow Mayor Bans Gay Parade in Russian Capital
[10:40] <Herzen> Kickass
[10:40] <evader> he seems like he's honestly just a really nice guy with no desire to be a po
[10:41] <evader> which may be why no one likes him.
[10:41] <Publius> Herzen: oh thats fabulour
[10:41] <Publius> s
[10:41] <Fr33Trade> Ironically while I fought the powers for 25 years, the left was granting
[10:41] <Publius> Russians don't have gay people anyway. ;)
[10:41] <pilgrim`> Free WWII I would have been 100% behind the effort but I would STILL disp
[10:41] <Lithium-> speaking of which, Republicans want another election year wedge issue
[10:41] <Lithium-> http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/18/senate.gaymarriage.ap/index.html
[10:41] <Lupine> herzen: I think they should have had a compromise: allow the nude gay pride
[10:41] <evader> dubya is like the dude from office space
[10:41] <Herzen> Lupine, Did you watch the video I sent you?
[10:41] <Herzen> in msg
[10:41] <evader> when he gets fed up with capitol hill
[10:41] <evader> he just refuses to go anymore
[10:41] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim You know I still despise anyone who abuses classified information
[10:41] <evader> he doesn't quit.
[10:41] <Lupine> herzen: yea, that was kick ass :-)
[10:41] <evader> he just doesn't go.
[10:41] <Lupine> too bad we can't have it air in NYC or Chicago, or LA..
[10:42] <Fr33Trade> But if thats happening someone bring forth a case, to date noone has.
[10:42] <pilgrim`> like: the law dictates I must give the state my address on my drivers lice
[10:42] <Publius> Herzen: send meeee
[10:42] <Herzen> Publius, you saw it
[10:42] <Publius> oooh
[10:42] <evader> oh
[10:42] <Publius> that one
[10:42] <Publius> she was probably finnish
[10:42] <evader> and http://joyce.gop.com/ <--- I use that link to piss off all my liberal
[10:42] <Fr33Trade> I guess That one guy who was just sentences, Massaui ? He made the claim,
[10:42] <Fr33Trade> And he hated america and wanted it destroyed.
[10:43] <Herzen> Beslan School Drama to Hit Big Screens
[10:43] <Herzen> Universal Studios has bought the rights to an article about the 2004 rebel r
[10:43] <Publius> evader: so is your name matt
[10:43] <pilgrim`> from local, all the wayup. governemnt has consistently been shown to be in
[10:43] <Fr33Trade> haha, Then after his trial he says, "hey,In america you can get a fair tr
[10:43] <evader> herzen i love how they just used a tank when they hid in a building
[10:43] <evader> Publius indeed
[10:43] <Publius> evader: Marcus here, but I prefer to go by "enemyofliberalism"
[10:44] <evader> hah
[10:44] <pilgrim`> Herzen Universal w ants a picture out of that? how sick
[10:44] <Herzen> Anti-NATO Protesters Seek to Disrupt Russia-NATO Photo Exhibition
[10:44] <Herzen> A group of protesters tried to disrupt the opening of a Russia-NATO photo ex
[10:44] <Publius> evader: www.american-point.com
[10:44] <Publius> it is in the works
[10:44] <Publius> just bought
[10:44] <Herzen> lol @ gestapo comments
[10:44] <Fr33Trade> Little late buddy once convicted guilty or not its hard to get an appeal
[10:44] <evader> i used to own democracynever.com
[10:44] <evader> but i got bored
[10:44] <evader> now i own music-piracy.com
[10:45] <evader> =P
[10:45] <Publius> LOL
[10:45] <Herzen> This is Mosnew's file photograph of homosexuals: http://mosnews.com/files/15
[10:45] <pilgrim`> evader you will be sued as a squater; that's Michael Jackson's family site
[10:45] <Lupine> Pilgrim: here in florida, they give out concealed weapons permit information
[10:45] <Fr33Trade> Herzen that is amusing because I one point we dreamed of a day when Russi
[10:45] <evader> pilgrim` they can bring it if they want
[10:45] <evader> i'll just say he touched me.
[10:46] <pilgrim`> Lupine yeah, aint that special? damn fools
[10:46] <pilgrim`> evader I hear he has a nose for that ;)
[10:46] <Lupine> pilgrim: they should public the full information for any cop, judge or elect
[10:46] <Lithium-> http://www.democraticunderground.com/img/06/0518_toons.jpg <-LOL
[10:46] <SweetLeaf> Santanista now that is an old one
[10:47] <Herzen> Publius and friends: http://mosnews.com/files/15180/gay.jpg
[10:47] <SweetLeaf> Danial Ortega is still around
[10:47] <pilgrim`> Lupine here, the cops in Portlan OR dug thru a whole block's garbage then
[10:47] <SweetLeaf> South America is going Commie
[10:47] <SweetLeaf> Mexico is next
[10:47] <pilgrim`> Next month a paper dumpster dived the Mayor and chief of police and publis
[10:47] <Fr33Trade> ww2 especially, everone was pretty much on the governments side in a unit
[10:47] <Lupine> pil: yea, i think there is actually a USSC ruling to that effect
[10:47] <godfist> pilgrim-HAHA revenage
[10:48] <pilgrim`> Vera liked a LOT of red wine ;)
[10:48] <Publius> Herzen: LOL
[10:48] <Publius> Lithium: LOL
[10:48] <Lupine> fr33: well, not before Dec 7 thou
[10:48] <pilgrim`> Vera Kats was a New Yorker trasnpalnted and elected Stupidity and Chief in
[10:48] <Publius> we can all appreciate that cartoon
[10:49] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim thats why I have shredders. Trash is no longer the property of th
[10:49] <Fr33Trade> sent = send
[10:49] <Fr33Trade> Anything with personal information on it, I shred.
[10:49] <pilgrim`> Free I use a wood stove in winter and store allt he rest of the year
[10:49] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim thats works too ;)
[10:49] <pilgrim`> waste not want not ;)
[10:49] <Publius> http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13 <----hot israeli babes in
[10:49] <Fr33Trade> That used to be one of the uglier jobs in a police vice squad..
[10:50] <pilgrim`> vice was punishment detail
[10:50] <Fr33Trade> Dumpster diving for used condoms and photos of children being sexually ab
[10:50] <bmc> trash normally is on private property until picked up by the trashman
[10:50] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim haha, Pretty much..
[10:50] <Fr33Trade> You got to see a lot of free porno.. But I am not interested ;)
[10:50] <pilgrim`> Publius not bad ;)
[10:50] <bmc> you can retrieve it anytime you want, its your property until they dump it in t
[10:50] <Publius> Herzen: this IDF babe has her eye on you. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums
[10:51] <bmc> also usually in a private trash can
[10:51] <Fr33Trade> bmc, anyone can retrieve it. before the dumptrucks come people go through
[10:51] <bmc> Fr33Trade then they trespass
[10:51] <bmc> which is illegal
[10:51] <Fr33Trade> No they dont.
[10:51] <pilgrim`> speaking as an old man.....gads those kids look so young... :(
[10:51] <bmc> how do they get something off private property without trespassing?
[10:51] <Fr33Trade> Since the law is to get your garbage dumped it must be out on public prop
[10:51] <Herzen> Publius, Israeli girls are cute
[10:52] <pilgrim`> I would really hate to see such a retty girl all splattered witht he blood
[10:52] <Fr33Trade> At least here it is and in many cities, when I was a kid our garbage was
[10:52] <Publius> Soooooooo
[10:52] <Publius> the Israelis are really out to get the pals!
[10:52] <Publius> I mean
[10:52] <Lupine> pub: yea, I saw those.. this photo however, umm... so wrong unf! unf! unf
[10:52] <Publius> look at this vicious girls
[10:52] <bmc> Fr33Trade so anything inside my car parked on public property isnt protected?
[10:52] <vasili0s> a complete military state, nice.
[10:52] <Fr33Trade> Women from all over the world are beautiful usually ;)
[10:52] <Lupine> Girl with her top off, another girl taking her pants off.. half-drunk beer b
[10:52] <Publius> Lupine: I'm goin to the holy land
[10:52] <Publius> thats it
[10:53] <pilgrim`> bad
[10:53] <Fr33Trade> BMC yes it is because the car is your private property.
[10:53] <bmc> car, trash can, both can hold trash
[10:53] <bmc> so is a trash can
[10:53] <bmc> and whatever is inside it
[10:53] <bmc> :P
[10:53] <Lupine> bmc: there is no "reasonable expectation of privacy" for a trashcan out on p
[10:53] <pilgrim`> Israel uses M16s now? what happend to Galils?
[10:54] <bmc> Lupine youre paying for trash service, what if someone dumps their trash in you
[10:54] <Fr33Trade> Your garbage cans its been ruled many times in cases of law is not... Onc
[10:54] <Herzen> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Senate panel advanced a constitutional ban on same-
[10:54] <Herzen> "If you want to leave, good riddance," Senate Judiciary Chairman Arlen Spect
[10:54] <bmc> you can put a blue dot on the trees at eye level
[10:54] <bmc> or is it red?
[10:54] <bmc> red or blue
[10:54] <bmc> one is no hunting
[10:54] <Publius> Herzen: BWAHAHA
[10:54] <bmc> one is no trespassing
[10:54] <Publius> I laughed for about 5 minutes
[10:54] <Publius> when I found that
[10:55] <pilgrim`> FreeI post my "review fee"
[10:55] <Fr33Trade> And the do not solicit signs dont stop them and if you call the cops if t
[10:55] <Lupine> pilgrim: they've used them for a while. They still have older gali's and uzi
[10:55] <pilgrim`> I charge a "review fee" to entertain a advertising pitch
[10:55] <pilgrim`> Lupine the galil imho is a better weapon
[10:55] <bmc> if theyre tresspassing the property is marked and you have control of it, relea
[10:55] <bmc> thatll fix em
[10:55] <bmc> have to have control of it though :P
[10:56] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim, I tell them I am not interested.. They say, This is about the wa
[10:56] <Fr33Trade> hahahaha
[10:56] <Lupine> pil: well, much less accurate, and less customizable. the reliability advan
[10:56] <pilgrim`> Oh man, there is a pic in that of 2 gals with big blue eyes auburn hair an
[10:56] <Herzen> Canada voted to extent its mission in Afghanistan for 2 more years
[10:56] <Herzen> I'm joining the reserve next year
[10:56] <pilgrim`> Free I charged $50/minute to review a pitch. I make it clear this is the
[10:56] <Publius> <Nathanus> http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/csite/27.jpg <--
[10:57] <Herzen> Which means if I volunteer, I could see a tour in Afghanistan within 2 years
[10:57] <vasili0s> make sure you evacuate those pakist from kunduz while youre at it
[10:57] <pilgrim`> so phone or at the door, I ask first that they clearly state the address I
[10:57] <Publius> I ran from the kick!
[10:57] <Publius> sorry for the color
[10:57] <Publius> lol
[10:57] <bmc> she doesnt look like something to fear
[10:57] <bmc> :P
[10:58] <bmc> unless shes naked and has a whip
[10:58] <Publius> bmc: thas what I was thinkin
[10:58] <Publius> oh my!
[10:58] <Fr33Trade> Or I can play my left vs left routine which isnt dishonest it is however
[10:58] <Fr33Trade> haha
[10:58] <Lupine> the next Lara Croft? http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/csite/30.jpg
[10:59] <Publius> http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/csite/32.jpg <---- and democrats
[10:59] <Fr33Trade> Laura Croft lost her appeal when she made the news as a UN ambassador of
[10:59] <Fr33Trade> That is Angela Joliene, (Will I ever look at a movie of hers the same aga
[10:59] <Fr33Trade> I dont know.
[10:59] <Fr33Trade> Hey MrCub!
[10:59] <MrCub> Hey FreeTrade
[10:59] <Lupine> FT: yea, but check out that photo.. the girl on the right could be the NEXT
[11:00] <MrCub> What's going on?
[11:00] <Fr33Trade> Well I should get to work..
[11:00] <gopp> Fr33Trade you see that movie
[11:00] <TheTailor> Publius, well don't think they don't have prime dancing girls in the musl
[11:00] <Lupine> right body, definately the right tits.. and the right look in her eyes
[11:00] <Fr33Trade> Yeah I better...
[11:00] <pilgrim`> Laura Croft? I thought the gola of that game was to back her up against t
[11:00] <gopp> Lupine is that your wife
[11:00] <Publius> TheTailor: Belly dancin
[11:00] <gopp> pilgrim` gola???
[11:01] <TheTailor> hubba hubba
[11:01] <Publius> oh shit
[11:01] <pilgrim`> goal
[11:01] <Fr33Trade> Israeli Military women to take over Laura Croft ? hahaha..
[11:01] <Publius> TheTailor: did you read that SA is now giving out no religious visas???
[11:01] <Publius> woooohoo
[11:01] <pilgrim`> I can'a type laddie
[11:01] * Publius party at Riyadh
[11:01] <gopp> TheTailor do they have strip clubs/ go go bars in muslim nations
[11:01] <Publius> non*
[11:02] <Fr33Trade> gopp, Are you kidding ?
[11:02] <Fr33Trade> Most dont..
[11:02] <Fr33Trade> maybe some in Asia do.
[11:02] <MrCub> Yeah, they have "full facial nudity"
[11:02] <pilgrim`> muslims come here to go to strip clubs
[11:02] <Fr33Trade> but the muslims are not supposed to get near them.
[11:02] <bmc> haha
[11:02] <gopp> Fr33Trade belly dancing equvilent to = strip clubs I suppose
[11:02] <Lupine> wow, there is even a isreal chick for TheTailor http://i62.photobucket.co
[11:02] <bmc> facial nudity
[11:02] <Fr33Trade> MrCub haha
[11:02] <pilgrim`> then they get drunk and blow up buildings to relieve hangovers
[11:02] <bmc> thats pretty good
[11:02] <Cathy344> Facial nudity. That's a term I haven't heard before.
[11:02] <Cathy344> This is why I come here. :-)
[11:03] <gopp> Fr33Trade on the sopranos two weeks ago
[11:03] <Lupine> stripclubs in muslims nations cathy
[11:03] <Fr33Trade> Well In some places in asia they have more liberty, their religion forbid
[11:03] <gopp> they had muslim go in to tony sopranos strip club
[11:03] <Publius> Lupine: bwahahah
[11:03] <Lupine> you also get to see them flash their ankles!
[11:03] <Cathy344> Lupine: LOL
[11:03] <bmc> hah
[11:03] <gopp> Fr33Trade they where drinking, and look at girls
[11:03] <gopp> Fr33Trade not sure how muslism they are
[11:03] <bmc> dude didnt they have a muslim chick in playboy
[11:03] <Fr33Trade> In the Sudan Moslems were taking Black non muslims and making them slaves
[11:03] <pilgrim`> Lupien u hear of http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-174369
[11:03] <bmc> ?
[11:03] <gopp> but i think it a plot of the show, to then have the fbi raide the place
[11:03] <MrCub> They can be as hypacritcal as the next religion
[11:04] <Fr33Trade> MrCub Yep
[11:04] <gopp> MrCub yep
[11:04] <gopp> well, I know many muslism friends
[11:04] <gopp> from college
[11:04] <gopp> who never drink, and my best friend from high school did drink hahahahah
[11:04] <gopp> he was muslism
[11:04] <MrCub> FreeTrade: In Sudan, Arab Muslims started attacking African Muslims.
[11:04] <Cathy344> Black Africans have always enslaved other black Africans.
[11:04] <gopp> well half, muslism and intlian
[11:04] <MrCub> Trying to make Sudan more Arabic.
[11:04] <gopp> Fr33Trade know that I rember, I recall my friend from high school, who half it
[11:05] <Cathy344> gopp: Where the Hell is Intlia?
[11:05] <gopp> italy
[11:05] <Cathy344> There's no N in Italy.
[11:05] <gopp> opps
[11:05] <gopp> italian
[11:05] * Cathy344 takes off her spelling-nazi hat.
[11:05] <gopp> america and half muslism, he would drink at dance clubs, when I was in high sc
[11:06] <gopp> but i also recall, he would not eat for rumdana
[11:06] <CryArvach> is nicht ein!!! err is not a spelling nazi
[11:06] <Fr33Trade> Well work time. later
[11:06] <Lupine> pilgrim: oh man, that's too funny
[11:06] <gopp> but he would still show to school, and even tough I recall also that dean of s
[11:06] <CryArvach> I really dont give too much of a shit about typos in this venue though
[11:06] <gopp> for his holiday
[11:06] <Lupine> that poor guy running for the ladder before he drowns
[11:06] <CryArvach> hello ms gopp ;)
[11:06] <gopp> ms
[11:06] <bmc> i would imagine alot of muslims who migrate to america live by less strict rule
[11:06] <gopp> what the ms
[11:07] <gopp> oh I am the cuban gopp, not the female gop
[11:07] * Publius cries "ich bin ein berliner!"
[11:07] <gopp> tough I would love to meat the female gop
[11:07] <CryArvach> implies female without divulging marital status :)
[11:07] <CryArvach> Publius you ever heard of the ono bird??
[11:07] <gopp> US-Male has the female gop shown up
[11:07] <Publius> naw
[11:07] <Publius> what is it
[11:07] <bmc> gop must like playing for both teams
[11:07] <gopp> no
[11:07] <bmc> :P
[11:08] <gopp> I like playing for the team that plays with girls
[11:08] <gopp> male to female
[11:08] <gopp> that all
[11:08] <gopp> I don't play for the fruite cake team
[11:08] <CryArvach> Well its a bird whose nutsack hangs below the level of its feet...so ever
[11:08] <gopp> CryArvach lol
[11:08] <Publius> sounds like present day japanese shogunate
[11:09] <CryArvach> and I have a t-shirt featuring the ono Bird
[11:09] <MrCub> I live across the street from a mosque. I one time asked my friend Steve if I
[11:09] <CryArvach> MrCub...I recommend picking up a paperback copy of the Q'uran
[11:10] <MrCub> I own several copies of the Qu'ran
[11:10] <CryArvach> I have 3
[11:10] <MrCub> 5 to be exact
[11:10] <MrCub> Two in Arabic only
[11:10] <MrCub> Two transliterations
[11:10] <MrCub> One in English
[11:10] <CryArvach> One is a decent English translation
[11:10] <Publius> MrCub: LOLLOL
[11:10] <CryArvach> the second one is from 1940s...decorative covver
[11:11] <CryArvach> the third is from 1903, in Arabic only
[11:11] <MrCub> Cry: The one from the 40's, is it in the correct order?
[11:11] <gopp> MrCub oh so she onlys wears her hijab at the church
[11:11] <CryArvach> all three are in the appropriate order
[11:11] <MrCub> gopp: That is common
[11:11] <gopp> CryArvach why do you have three
[11:11] <Publius> http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/csite/4.jpg <---- yeah sure...you
[11:12] <CryArvach> because the older ones may have some actual value
[11:12] <gopp> MrCub I tought they had to wear the head scraf all the time
[11:12] <MrCub> Earlier translations of the Qu'ran into English were often backwards, because
[11:12] <CryArvach> The one from 1903 especially so
[11:13] <MrCub> gopp: They are suppose to, doesn't mean they do.
[11:13] <gopp> MrCub oh cuase I know many that do at least in nj
[11:13] <gopp> I only met liek three who never do
[11:13] <CryArvach> the one I have that came with the book set Religions of the world is in t
[11:13] <MrCub> A friend of mine from Morocco gave me his father's copy of the Qu'ran as a gi
[11:13] <CryArvach> be advised....to me...they are only references
[11:13] <gopp> CryArvach why do you have the two others
[11:13] <MrCub> His wife never wears the hijab
[11:13] <gopp> CryArvach is it cuase you love to read them
[11:14] <Publius> damnit where the hell is Hansard
[11:14] <gopp> I never new people had quarns in thier house
[11:14] <CryArvach> gopp because the older two that I have may have some monetary value
[11:14] * Lupine wonders if Rusty will be on Jerry today.. "Gay munchkins who want to be accepted f
[11:14] <MrCub> I have read the Qu'ran and some of the Hadiths.
[11:14] <MrCub> Hadiths get very redundant
[11:14] <Lupine> cry: or, if you ever run out of TP..
[11:14] <gopp> MrCub why made you get the quarn
[11:14] <gopp> just becuase you love to read
[11:14] <CryArvach> Why is it these last few days I find my self having to repeat damn near E
[11:15] <gopp> OH BECUAE i AM DEAF
[11:15] <MrCub> I studied Islam under the Imam at the mosque across the street from my house
[11:15] <gopp> :)
[11:15] <CryArvach> Lupine...I have the bible for that
[11:15] <MrCub> I actually have a whole bunch of Arabic script hanging on my walls too.
[11:15] <MrCub> Including the shihada
[11:15] <gopp> MrCub are you arabic
[11:15] <MrCub> Nope
[11:15] <gopp> or muslism background
[11:15] <MrCub> Irish/Norwegian/German
[11:15] <CryArvach> not just you gopp...damn near everyone that is around here as well
[11:15] <Lupine> ca: the quaran used better inks.. the bible will rub off on yer cheeks
[11:15] <Publius> MrCub: are you a scholar or a muslim scholar
[11:15] <Publius> as in...a muslim who wants to be an expert on islam?
[11:16] <CryArvach> Lupine..then you get to shit in a rainbow of colors
[11:16] <Publius> oh
[11:16] <Publius> gopp
[11:16] <Publius> just asked
[11:16] <Publius> beat me to that point che
[11:16] <MrCub> Publius: I just saw an opporunity when they built a mosque across the street
[11:16] <Publius> ya socialist bastid
[11:16] <Lupine> Gen. Michael Hayden said "the American intelligence business has too much be
[11:16] <Lupine> damn straight
[11:16] <gopp> MrCub I don't understand why an american would want to learn it buthmm
[11:16] <CryArvach> I have the books handy to aid me in research....
[11:16] <Publius> MrCub: do I recall you live in Atlanta?
[11:16] <MrCub> Yes
[11:16] <MrCub> Lawrenceville
[11:16] <Publius> I live in Gwinnett
[11:17] <Publius> HAHA
[11:17] <Publius> Snellville
[11:17] <gopp> is thier many muslism in atlanta
[11:17] <Lupine> yea for the disarmament on school campuses: CONWAY, South Carolina (AP) --
[11:17] <CryArvach> for example. defining a base of causality for a referent
[11:17] <MrCub> I also studied Buddhism at a Buddhist center in Atlanta.
[11:17] <MikeyD> eh
[11:17] <Publius> MRCub: small world
[11:17] <MrCub> Yup
[11:17] <gopp> MikeyD how about catholicism
[11:17] <MikeyD> i dont even want to think of snellville
[11:17] <CryArvach> Lupine...that worked
[11:17] <Publius> oh yaeh
[11:17] <MikeyD> my ex lives there
[11:17] <Publius> MikeyD is aslo one of us Jawgians
[11:17] <MrCub> I also have a friend who is a drinking buddy of mine who is a Lutheran pastor
[11:17] <MikeyD> gopp: the church is my enemy, i show them no reverence or quarter
[11:17] <Publius> MikeyD: she hot?
[11:18] * Publius snickers
[11:18] <MikeyD> Publius: more than youd guess ;p
[11:18] <Cathy344> Drive-by stabbings are already a fact of life.
[11:18] <Publius> Everyone is someone in Snellville
[11:18] <Publius> ya know
[11:18] <CryArvach> MIkeyD the Catholic Church?
[11:18] <Publius> everybody is somebody
[11:18] <Publius> actually
[11:18] <MrCub> In fact, I am currently working a documentary about the Imam who is my friend
[11:18] <MikeyD> all churches are my enemy
[11:18] <CryArvach> Cathy344...soon...trike-by shootings
[11:18] <Cathy344> Ugh.
[11:18] <MrCub> His version of Islam needs to be put out there, and he is pretty much a funda
[11:18] <MikeyD> catholic, jesuit, jewish, muslim, babtist, etc
[11:18] <Lupine> MrCub worked as an alterboy for the boston archdioces
[11:19] <MikeyD> oh, and lets not forget the mormons
[11:19] <Publius> MikeyD: the libertarian battering ram fighting for the cause of defeating m
[11:19] <CryArvach> Luine...with Father Paedophile?
[11:19] <CryArvach> James Geoghan?
[11:19] <Cathy344> "Bang! Bang! You're dead, Mikey." "No. *cha-ching* You're dead. *BOOM*"
[11:19] <Lupine> Cry: well, he never saw his actual face...
[11:19] <Lupine> kind of dark in the confessional
[11:19] <CryArvach> Father Paedophile...may he rest in sodomized pieces
[11:20] <MikeyD> i have no problem with the church until they impose their will upon other pe
[11:20] <Cathy344> Lupine: that's so you can't see that the priest your confessing to is busy
[11:20] <CryArvach> the same here.....
[11:20] <MikeyD> however, i have yet to come across a single religion that doesnt try to do t
[11:20] <CryArvach> Orginazied Religion is a double-edged sword
[11:20] <MrCub> Publius Where do you live in Snellville?
[11:20] <MikeyD> i love god tho
[11:20] <MikeyD> i dig god the most
[11:20] <Publius> MrCub: right on the border..near 20. I am kind of half way into loganville
[11:20] <Lupine> mikeyd: eh? the cargo cult never tried to do that
[11:21] <Publius> Summit Chase
[11:21] <MikeyD> we go back like fat crayola crayons and recess
[11:21] <CryArvach> They spread wrack and ruin, but they also kept alive learning through the
[11:21] <Publius> is the neighborhood
[11:21] <Lupine> WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. military has given troops in Iraq a laser d
[11:21] <MrCub> I am familiar
[11:21] <Publius> with Summit Chase?
[11:21] <MrCub> I live off of Pleasant Hill Road, cruse road
[11:21] <Publius> ah
[11:21] <Cathy344> "I love god in this way." "But that way's a sin!" "Blasphemer!" "Heathen!"
[11:21] <MikeyD> hahaha
[11:21] <CryArvach> Heretic....
[11:21] <Publius> MRCub: you ever visit grayson
[11:21] <Publius> ?
[11:21] <CryArvach> Stranger to The Faith
[11:21] <MikeyD> the middle school i got expelled from was on criuse drive
[11:21] <MrCub> Yeah, I've been there
[11:22] <Publius> happen to go by the kroger on 20? there is a zaxbys and mcdonalds
[11:22] <Publius> and what not
[11:22] <MrCub> MikeyD: In Lawrenceville
[11:22] <MrCub> ?
[11:22] <MikeyD> yeah
[11:22] <MikeyD> sweetwater middle school
[11:22] <MrCub> Nah, never been there
[11:22] <Cathy344> Tom Cruise Middle School?
[11:22] <Publius> SWEETWATER
[11:22] <Publius> LOSER
[11:22] <MikeyD> i was expelled for drinking during health class
[11:22] <Publius> Snellville Middle baby
[11:22] <MrCub> Mickey: I live so cloe to that place, I could throw a rock at it.
[11:22] <MikeyD> MrCub: hahaha
[11:22] <Cathy344> Where the Church of Scientology writes the Health Books.
[11:22] <MikeyD> fucking hilarious
[11:22] <gopp> oh you also went to criuse drive middle school hahhahaha
[11:22] <gopp> oh wow
[11:22] <gopp> I got kicked out thier also
[11:22] <gopp> :(
[11:22] <Cathy344> I didn't go to middle school.
[11:22] <gopp> joke
[11:22] <MikeyD> when i moved to georgia from jersey, that was the first school i went to
[11:22] <Publius> what high school did ya'll go to
[11:23] <MrCub> Where did you live
[11:23] <Publius> Mikey, MrCub
[11:23] <gopp> MikeyD ahhh but you back in jeresy
[11:23] <MrCub> (watch it be my house)
[11:23] <MikeyD> most of my time has been spent in marietta tho
[11:23] <MikeyD> dude, i would never go back to jersey
[11:23] <MrCub> Publius
[11:23] <MikeyD> i went to central alternative high school =)
[11:23] <Publius> if you grew up here
[11:23] <Lupine> Nepal's King Gyanendra has been stripped of much of his power and privileges
[11:23] <gopp> MikeyD whyd id you move out
[11:23] <MrCub> I didn't go to school in Georgia
[11:23] <gopp> why alternative
[11:23] <Publius> Ah
[11:23] <MrCub> I grew up in Iowa
[11:23] <Publius> too bad
[11:23] <Publius> haha
[11:23] <Cathy344> Somewhere in red Bank, Jay and Silent Bob shead a single tear.
[11:23] <Lupine> The king is removed as the supreme commander of the army, which is now known
[11:23] <Lupine> King Gyanendra loses his tax-free status and is subject to the law, which me
[11:23] <MikeyD> cause i got kicked out of yet another middle school in east cobb
[11:23] <Publius> Lupine: oh yeah
[11:23] <MrCub> Guys ever heard of Luby's sports bar and grill?
[11:24] <Publius> they went all secular
[11:24] <Publius> booted the monarch..made peace with the rebels
[11:24] <gopp> MichaelCk how many school did you getkicked out of
[11:24] <Publius> *boring*
[11:24] <MikeyD> alot actually
[11:24] <Publius> not enough war these days
[11:24] <Publius> ;(
[11:24] <MikeyD> i had a rough transition period from jersey to georgia
[11:25] <Cathy344> Tisk, tisk, tisk. Whatever happened to the divine right of kings? What *IS
[11:25] <MikeyD> over all, i was expelled from gwinnett co, cobb co and hall county schools
[11:25] <Publius> Cathy344: sing it babe!
[11:25] <CryArvach> Cathy344.....The Magna Carta happened
[11:25] <CryArvach> that spelled the end of Absolutist rule
[11:25] <MrCub> Okay, you guys have never heard of Luby's.
[11:25] <MikeyD> i did my 2nd year of 8th grade and 1 and a half years of 9th grade at centra
[11:25] <Publius> MrCub:
[11:25] <Publius> ohj
[11:25] <Publius> where is it?
[11:25] <Cathy344> Luby's Cafeteria? Texas?
[11:25] <MrCub> Herrington, off of cruse road
[11:25] <MrCub> Cathy: No
[11:26] <Publius> not familiar, what about it?
[11:26] <Publius> im only a bum college student
[11:26] <MrCub> Just my local watering hole.
[11:26] <Publius> so not surprising
[11:27] <Publius> ah
[11:27] * Publius isn't old enough to drink yet
[11:27] <Cathy344> zMikeyD; You were just never meant to waste your time in high school. You'
[11:28] <MrCub> I am BORED
[11:28] <Publius> Cathy344: another Tarantino documentary?
[11:28] <Publius> alright
[11:28] <Publius> I can ask ya questiosn bout Islam?
[11:28] <Cathy344> Publius: those vapires were real, damnit!
[11:29] <Publius> Cathy344: well buffy slayed them all. have you heard about the new show com
[11:29] <MrCub> Publius: Me?
[11:30] <Publius> yeah
[11:30] <Publius> lol
[11:30] <MrCub> Yes
[11:30] <Publius> one of my "things to research" is the 9th Imam
[11:30] <Publius> and what it is in accordance to Ahmadinejad
[11:30] <Cathy344> I'll have to tivo every episode of that.
[11:31] <Publius> MrCub: I know nothing about it. would you mind um, giving a little summary
[11:31] <Publius> for conversation sake
[11:31] <Cathy344> I hope The 9th Imam is better than The 9th Gate. Johnny Depp sucks at dram
[11:31] <MrCub> That is a shiite aspect of Islam. They believe that there were 8 Imams that w
[11:31] <Publius> Johnny Depp is a Parisite(lives in Paris)
[11:32] <MrCub> Publius: Look it up on wikipedia.
[11:32] <Publius> I am
[11:32] <MrCub> It will give you more information.
[11:32] <Publius> I just wanted to ask a q for convo
[11:32] * Publius groans
[11:32] <Publius> I hope Ahmadinejad doesn't think he is this guy
[11:32] <MrCub> Ahmadindejad is an idiot.
[11:32] <Cathy344> Publius: No, it's not safe to try to remove warts from your genitals with
[11:32] <MrCub> scary idiot.
[11:33] <Publius> Cathy344: o_O
[11:33] <Cathy344> Just trying to predict Publius's next question.
[11:33] <Publius> ahhhhh
[11:33] <Publius> MrCub: he basically "crossed the line" that honestly gives NATO, the EU, or
[11:33] <Cathy344> What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
[11:33] <Publius> offer from the EU
[11:34] <Publius> the erm
[11:34] <Publius> right or justification
[11:34] <Publius> in the long run
[11:34] <Publius> Cathy344: err
[11:35] <Cathy344> I'm 100% certain that in the next 10 years, at least part of Iran will glo
[11:35] <Publius> "bomb iraaaaan...take my haaand..rockin and rushin in iraaaan"
[11:35] <Lupine> "Ladies and gentlemen, this is the captain speaking. We'll like to thank you
[11:35] <Lupine> http://www.israelmilitary.net/pic/aircraft/81.jpg
[11:36] <Publius> rock and rushin, rockin and rollin in iraaaan
[11:36] <Cathy344> Publius: that's been done for Iraq. Recyling is good, but not recycled sat
[11:36] * Publius groanbs
[11:36] <Publius> oh please
[11:36] <Publius> Iran is soooo much more jokable
[11:36] <Publius> besides
[11:37] <Publius> I was like 16 when we did operation iraqi ass kick
[11:37] <Publius> my turn to have fun
[11:37] <MrCub> Iranian women can be SOOO smokin' hot
[11:37] <vasili0s> Cathy344: and the other have part of an autonomous kurdistan ! weeeeeeee.
[11:37] <Publius> goooin on a persian magic carpet ride
[11:37] * Publius grins
[11:38] <MrCub> There are beautiful women in almost every culture.
[11:38] <Publius> Lupine: LOL
[11:38] <Cathy344> Lupine: Not THAT'S funny.
[11:38] <ManKind> except mongolia ;)
[11:38] <Publius> MrCub: well...maybe not the Mongols
[11:38] <Publius> LOLOL
[11:38] <ManKind> LOL
[11:38] <Publius> Mankind *high 5*
[11:38] <ManKind> and down below
[11:38] <Lupine> pub: i'ld be looking for the "emergency stop" button.. LET ME OFF!! LET ME O
[11:39] <Publius> "this is the mandate of heaven speaking, we have joined a strategic allianc
[11:39] <Publius> our apologies
[11:39] <Publius> nothing personal
[11:39] <Cathy344> "Where's the problem?" "Iran." "Okay, you ran away from the problem, but w
[11:40] <Publius> Cathy344: wherever it is..it is pershin it's way up....
[11:40] <Publius> damnit
[11:40] * Publius bows his head in shame
[11:40] * Cathy344 feels your shame.
[11:41] <Cathy344> No I don't, but I'm told I need to fake more sincerity.
[11:41] <Lupine> Wow.. there is a video of the Sadat assassination.. http://www.israelmilit
[11:41] * pilgrim` notes Mr Cub looks good in his yurt. but he cannot tellw hich of the maidens ar
[11:41] <Publius> well you should be grateful enough to do that
[11:41] * Publius curses the 19th amendment
[11:41] <Publius> ;)
[11:41] <Cathy344> What's the 19th amendment?
[11:41] <pilgrim`> a taxing subject that
[11:42] <MrCub> I always look good
[11:42] <Publius> somethin like "all persons born or natrualized in the us, have the right to
[11:42] <MrCub> *Cough*
[11:42] <pilgrim`> MrCub then ride on ;)
[11:42] <Cathy344> Women's suffrage, in other words.
[11:42] <pilgrim`> Cathy it was what opened the world to Hillaryitis
[11:42] <Cathy344> I thought that amendment was higher in number, considering the 21st is pro
[11:43] <Cathy344> pilgrim`: No, that was Hillary's parents' fault. She was brought up Republ
[11:44] <Publius> Lupine: OMFG I was so not ready for that
[11:44] <Publius> I thought it was a funny vid
[11:44] <Publius> lol
[11:44] <ManKind> the 28th ammendment sucks the worst
[11:44] <vasili0s> damn bitchx, what was that link again ?
[11:44] <MrCub> pilgrim: It was the Muslim Brotherhood that assisinated Sadat, right?
[11:44] <Cathy344> What's the 28th? Free blow jobs for life for ex presidents?
[11:45] <ManKind> let's hope so
[11:45] <Publius> Cathy344: no no, you gotta be in the oval office
[11:45] <Publius> and a democrat
[11:45] <Publius> but, same concept
[11:45] <Publius> free bks
[11:45] <Publius> bjs
[11:45] <Lupine> publius: my mind is blanki.. why would the Sadat assassination be funny?
[11:45] <Cathy344> Free book keepers?
[11:45] <Publius> Lupine: I mean I thought you were showing a satire pic
[11:45] <vasili0s> the idea of an arab dying possibly ?
[11:46] <Publius> Lupine; I've seen *everything* satired at some point
[11:46] <Publius> heh
[11:46] <MrCub> This potentially could be one boring summer.
[11:46] <Lupine> pub: no.. i've never seen the actual video/events of that.. pretty damn bold
[11:46] <Publius> MrCub: are you into campaigning
[11:46] <MrCub> Nope
[11:46] <Publius> oppo
[11:46] <Publius> poop
[11:46] <MrCub> I work on campaigns, but for money
[11:47] <Publius> Lupine: yeah...but his martyrdom hopefully served as a symbol for moderate
[11:47] <Cathy344> I wil lsay one thing for John Williams. He sure knew how to write for trum
[11:47] <Publius> a noble man...who ultimately sacrificed his life, to make the first step
[11:48] <Publius> regardless of intent
[11:48] <Publius> he was educated
[11:48] <MrCub> Cathy: What are you listening to?
[11:48] <Cathy344> Summon the Heroes.
[11:48] <Publius> MrCub: ah
[11:48] <Publius> I was gonna ask ya to join up the re-elect Sonny campaign
[11:48] <Publius> hehe
[11:48] <MrCub> Yeah, but I'm a flaming liberal.
[11:48] <MrCub> So that won't cut it.
[11:48] <Publius> so is Sonny
[11:48] <MrCub> You want to pay me money to work on his campaign
[11:48] <MrCub> I'll do it.
[11:49] <MrCub> otherwise...
[11:49] <Cathy344> I'm a flaming queer. We have so much in common, dontcha think?
[11:49] <Publius> his freakin campaign platforms are education, healthcare, and personal libe
[11:49] <MrCub> Summon the Heroes?
[11:49] <Cathy344> He wrote it for the Olympics.
[11:49] <Red_Barch> http://www.r33b.net/
[11:49] <MrCub> Which Olympics?
[11:49] <Publius> John Williams can write a melody on the same level of Mozart
[11:49] <Publius> seriously
[11:50] <Bird_> Does anyone know of an objective documentary of 9/11 theories ? by objective
[11:50] <Cathy344> I'm pretty sure they played it while the procession of athletes entered th
[11:50] <Publius> atlanta
[11:50] <Publius> 96?
[11:50] <Publius> oh
[11:51] <Publius> The Schindlers list theme made me ache for the victims more than the actual
[11:51] <Publius> still a great and haunting song
[11:51] <Lupine> Don Dorsey and Conti has done some great theme music
[11:51] <MrCub> I worked on the 96 Olympic film with Bud Greenspan. It was a lot of fun.
[11:52] <Publius> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbQAl_VkVrg <---- a vid of an orchestro w
[11:52] <Publius> of the song
[11:52] <Publius> Bud Greenspan?
[11:52] <Publius> Orchestra
[11:53] <Publius> oh
[11:53] <Publius> MrCub: thats cool man.
[11:53] <MrCub> Bud Greenspan directs all the official Olympic films.
[11:53] <Publius> so I'm guessing you are an accomplished film maker of sorts yourself?
[11:53] <Publius> in some aspects
[11:54] <MrCub> Nah, primarily just a technician who works on documentaries on the side. I am
[11:55] <MrCub> I'm on hold to work on a Outkast video on Monday of next week.
[11:55] <Publius> ugh, this song is the epitome of melancholy
[11:55] <Publius> ah
[11:56] <Publius> that's awesome
[11:56] <Publius> I respect them quite a bit
[11:56] <MrCub> www.myspace.com/vertov
[11:56] <MrCub> that would be me
[11:56] * _voxbox is now known as voxbox
[11:57] <Publius> LOL
[11:57] <Publius> MrCub: you are somehow in my extended network
[11:57] <stopsign> ok, it has been long enough! why did they let house rep. cynthia mckinney
[11:57] <GODS[GOD]> Howdy
[11:57] <stopsign> howdy gg
[11:57] <MrCub> I think that anyone you look at is on your extended network
[11:57] <MrCub> publius: Where is your profile?
[11:57] <panini> stopsign, because she's a democrat
[11:58] <stopsign> i guess it is because the same reason they let kennedy off for killing som
[11:58] <Publius> MrCub: I am a dope and just got this
[11:58] <Publius> www.myspace.com/meeducatingyou
[11:58] <Publius> should be me
[11:59] <Publius> I was trying to invite you
[11:59] <Publius> to my friends list
[11:59] <Publius> haha
[12:00] <Lupine> Cathy: if you want some great trumpet work.. check out Eric Kunzel/Telarc's
[12:00] <MrCub> you can see the woman I am dating on my pics
[12:01] <MrCub> I have a feeling that is about to go away though.
[12:01] <`426Hemi> MrCub thats animal cruelty
[12:01] <MrCub> What?
[12:02] <`426Hemi> <+MrCub> you can see the woman I am dating on my pics how could you
[12:03] <MrCub> hahah. Of course, that is publius profile, not mine.
[12:03] <Publius> 426Spin
[12:04] <Publius> Hemi is just jealous cause he has a pissy persian cat
[12:04] <Publius> whislt I have a good ole american maine coon
[12:05] <`426Hemi> ahh so Publius is the one porkin' the kitten
[12:05] <`426Hemi> hahaha Publius, actually my cat i had to give to my wifes mother
[12:05] <`426Hemi> and it was a coon cat
[12:05] <`426Hemi> 27 toes, 24 lbs
[12:06] <Publius> i aint touchin kitty
[12:06] <blaaz> damn sickos
[12:06] <`426Hemi> Publius broke his arm jerkin off to hard
[12:06] * `426Hemi snickers
[12:06] * godfist is now known as kigoldrox
[12:07] * kigoldrox is now known as godfist
[12:08] <blaaz> http://opposingdigits.com/vlog/?p=155
[12:08] <blaaz> open up your eyes and get wise
[12:08] <blaaz> or get that ass paralyzed
[12:10] <MrCub> *excitement*
[12:10] <MrCub> bbl
[12:11] <Rikkardd> Yeah, she was a spam bot
[12:19] <Miguk> !server
[12:19] <J_Walker> AFP: Hardline Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday mocked tho
[12:19] <Miguk> is he still talking?
[12:20] <Rikkardd> Sounds like the Soviets
[12:21] <TheTailor> Who was the Iranian apologist in the other night?
[12:21] <pilgrim`> can play that part if wanted
[12:21] <pilgrim`> I can
[12:21] <TheTailor> You are a troublemaker
[12:21] <Publius> one of the "why can the US have nukes and Iran can't" people?
[12:22] <TheTailor> pilgrim`, I found some stuff that won the west in my back yard this morni
[12:23] <Publius> what would someone from lebanon speak?
[12:23] <Publius> what language
[12:23] <J_Walker> arab
[12:24] <Publius> honestly?
[12:24] <Publius> arabic?
[12:24] <J_Walker> wtf...
[12:24] <pilgrim`> Tailor I once had a tack board of various "Bob wire" styles of 100 some ye
[12:24] <J_Walker> arabs live in labanon
[12:24] <Publius> pilgrim: help me out here
[12:24] <Publius> hehe
[12:24] <pilgrim`> the Beanono is an arabic speakin area and it is a particular distinct dial
[12:24] <pilgrim`> Lebanon
[12:25] <pilgrim`> dang how did that slip in?
[12:25] <Publius> so someone who claims to be from Beruit
[12:25] <Publius> should speak that?
[12:25] <pilgrim`> French
[12:25] <pilgrim`> Beruit was once the Zurich of the mid east
[12:26] <J_Walker> some of the christian arabs in lebanon speak french as a second language
[12:26] <Miguk> i thought it was the Paris of the ME
[12:26] <pilgrim`> Arabic was spoken but so was turkish Farsi and all sorts of languages. ty
[12:26] <pilgrim`> more Zurich: banking was based there
[12:26] <pilgrim`> was
[12:27] <pilgrim`> int he 19th cent French was spoken EVERYWHERE
[12:27] <J_Walker> the christian arab minority must live in constant fear for their lives fro
[12:28] <pilgrim`> no
[12:28] <J_Walker> yes
[12:28] <Publius> Johan: I don't recall where you are from...but do you happen to speak lithu
[12:28] <Publius> lol
[12:28] <Publius> but I know it is in that former republic area
[12:28] <J_Walker> Reuters: U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said on Thursday those involved
[12:29] <Cathy344> You only have to fear reprisal being a Christian in a Muslim land if you a
[12:29] <J_Walker> Publius no ..
[12:29] <Rikkardd> Isnt that bad enough Cathy, especially on point B
[12:29] <J_Walker> Publius : i m half romanian have russian
[12:29] <J_Walker> half
[12:30] <J_Walker> Reuters: Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told EU lawmakers on Thurs
[12:31] <TheTailor> How are athiests treated by Muslims?
[12:31] <J_Walker> All "infidels" (nonmuslims) should fear moslems
[12:34] <Publius> ebbtepid: what up
[12:34] <MichaelC> it does not take much to be a muslim: belief in Allah and that Mohammed is
[12:34] <J_Walker> Publius: Tehran, Iran, May 16 – Iran’s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadin
[12:34] <Rikkardd> Their religion is brutal
[12:34] <MichaelC> iirc, that is the sole criterion for membership in Islam.
[12:34] <Rikkardd> Not that a lot of Christians dont suck too
[12:35] <Publius> he whaat
[12:35] <Publius> gimme more
[12:35] <J_Walker> Ahmadinejad said that it was essential to develop Tehran-Beirut relations
[12:36] <J_Walker> United States official have accused Tehran of supporting rejectionist grou
[12:36] <Publius> Johan: so he is basically screwing them over again
[12:36] <Publius> like Syria did
[12:36] <J_Walker> YEP
[12:37] <J_Walker> In January Ahmadinejad travelled to meet with Syrian leader al Assad
[12:37] <starly> Abusive domain or user
[12:38] <Publius> ;(
[12:39] <occ__> christ.
[12:39] <occ__> thats all -- "christ."
[12:40] <Cathy344> i remember the opening song from Disney's Aladdin. As originally released,
[12:40] <occ__> tis true, cathy
[12:40] <Cathy344> "Where it's bright and immense and the heat is intense. It's barbaric, but
[12:40] <occ__> we talking disney weirdness again?
[12:41] <Cathy344> Dude's got his own head on ice. I'm not eve that wierd.
[12:41] <Cathy344> There's plenty of Disney wierdness to last us talking about it for a good
[12:41] <TheTailor> haha
[12:41] <occ__> you see "the rescuers"?
[12:41] <TheTailor> occ__, install identd
[12:41] <Publius> Aladdin is my fav disney movie
[12:41] <Publius> hm
[12:41] <occ__> quit pretending you know what identd is, tailor ;)
[12:41] <Cathy344> You mean the two frames where you can see a clip from a porno in a window?
[12:42] <Publius> <----guess that makes em a jihadist
[12:42] <TheTailor> I'm not pretending, I don't know or care, I was told to say that :-)
[12:42] <occ__> theres that, cathy
[12:42] <pilgrim`> Tailor is in the witness identd protection program
[12:42] <Publius> LOL
[12:42] <occ__> but my personal connection is, im friends with the guy who provided the voice
[12:43] <Cathy344> The penis castle from The Little mermaid was true and not. Yes, they looke
[12:43] <TheTailor> It's pilgrim`s job to know what identd is :-)
[12:43] <pilgrim`> then we all be in a heep a trouble we duz
[12:44] <Cathy344> I know what identd is. BFHD.
[12:44] <pilgrim`> it is a server stub program that allows a client to query your seesion and
[12:44] <occ__> its a dubious form of authentication
[12:44] <TheTailor> pilgrim`, I have a digitizing tablet it seems I'm never going to use if y
[12:44] <occ__> yes, my client wont return "BLAHBLAHIDENT" from port 130
[12:44] <pilgrim`> Tailor which model?
[12:44] <occ__> because its blocked.
[12:45] <Cathy344> All it does is insure that there's an actual process attached to the actua
[12:45] <pilgrim`> Tailor if youa re giving it away sure, but I amdouble broke
[12:45] <TheTailor> Numonics Accugrid
[12:45] <occ__> forget about the fact that requiring ident has no bearing on actual channel s
[12:45] <Bird_> Does anyone know of an objective documentary of 9/11 theories ? by objective
[12:45] <occ__> so, you want some crazy horseshit?
[12:45] <pilgrim`> I jsut foudn my busted iBook would cost more to fix THEN I PAID FOR IT!
[12:45] <TheTailor> You can fix it! Get that tool kit out
[12:45] <pilgrim`> Bird yes. go see an Ingmar Bergman film
[12:46] <pilgrim`> I plan to
[12:46] <pilgrim`> I was just attempting to avoid strips of duct tape to make up for my lack
[12:46] <occ__> as i understand it, the airplanes couldn't have destroyed the twin towers
[12:46] <Cathy344> You bought a G3 Power Mac for $5. I fail to be moved by your Mac cost woes
[12:46] <occ__> despite the fact that we saw it
[12:47] <occ__> this is because the temperature that jet fuel burns at isnt hot enough to mel
[12:47] <occ__> AND WHY DID THE SUPPORTS COLLAPSE?
[12:47] <occ__> answer me that
[12:47] <TheTailor> no caps
[12:47] <TheTailor> <slap>
[12:47] <Cathy344> Stop slapping the salami. You'll go blind.
[12:47] <pilgrim`> it was all a fake. They did the whole thing in the Nevada moon landing fa
[12:48] <Cathy344> Because you dont have to liquify the damn steel to weaken it enough that t
[12:48] <pilgrim`> Cathy not one...I have humm lets see, 3 Beiges, one S900 G3 upgrade, and
[12:48] <occ__> cathy says that because she's been silenced by members of the conspiracy
[12:49] <occ__> i pray for her soul, but do not listen to her
[12:49] <Cathy344> I hate you with the fire of a thousand suns.
[12:49] <occ__> im speaking the truth, people
[12:49] <pilgrim`> Cathy and they laugh at my scrounging ways ;)
[12:49] <TheTailor> pilgrim`, I'm going to build a still, so I can get off gasoline.
[12:49] <pilgrim`> oh btw I also have.... a mini G4, one G5 dualie 1.8, and a MDD dulie 867
[12:50] <pilgrim`> Tailor and on whisky? well at least it will be fin
[12:50] <occ__> i used to be into doing home distilling
[12:50] <TheTailor> 180 proof gas
[12:50] <occ__> and then i read that like, a common byproduct is methyl alcohol
[12:50] <occ__> so, i abandoned it.
[12:50] <TheTailor> occ__, must not have beena very good still
[12:51] <pilgrim`> depends. Methyl comes from any celulose that creaps in
[12:51] <occ__> i dunno, it scared me off
[12:51] <Cathy344> I'd love to have an alcohol powered crotch rocket.
[12:51] <occ__> hey, lemme risk dying or going blind to get drunk
[12:51] <occ__> no thanks!
[12:51] <TheTailor> They developed a new yeast that gets the hard fiber sugars too, so you ge
[12:51] <pilgrim`> if you only use vegetable liek potatos, or berries or corn. you are ok
[12:52] <occ__> i dunno, alcohol is alcohol is alcohol
[12:52] <TheTailor> occ__, not true
[12:52] <Cathy344> Which burns best, ethyl opr methyl?
[12:53] <TheTailor> I don't think methyl burns, does it?
[12:53] <TheTailor> gloriae knows, she knows everything!
[12:53] <Glock21> Don't burn my aunt Ethyl
[12:53] <pilgrim`> yes it does, but ethyl burns more
[12:53] <TheTailor> oh
[12:53] <pilgrim`> lower flash point iirc
[12:53] <Publius> gloria intelligencia magnifica (don't hurt me)
[12:53] <occ__> heres an old saying from kentucky, where im from
[12:54] <Publius> ;)
[12:54] <TheTailor> Come to think of it, I'm an alcoholic, sith a still, hmm
[12:54] <pilgrim`> isopropyl aslo burns
[12:54] <TheTailor> with
[12:54] <occ__> moonshine
[12:54] <occ__> coal mine
[12:54] <occ__> or move it on down the line.
[12:54] <pilgrim`> bbl
[12:54] <Cathy344> Did the Sith drink alcohol? I don't think so.
[12:54] * gloriae looks confused, steps on a stray ice cube, skids across the floor
[12:54] <Publius> Cathy344: The Sith have been reduced to the wimpy, terrorist of the force w
[12:54] <`426Hemi> WASHINGTON - President Bush sent Congress a $1.9 billion request Thursday
[12:54] <`426Hemi> niiiice
[12:55] <TheTailor> gloriae, we'll catch you on the second bounce
[12:55] <Cathy344> The last Sith is dead at the end of the series, isn't it?
[12:55] <occ__> i hate to say it, but star wars 1, 2, and 3 blew
[12:55] <Publius> Carthy344: there are a frew that have preserved their spirit
[12:55] <Publius> exar kunn
[12:55] <Publius> for one
[12:55] <occ__> hence, i dont feel theres any reason to refer to "the sith"
[12:55] <occ__> or am i clutching at straws, here?
[12:56] <Cathy344> I'd say grasping, but yes.
[12:56] <Publius> occ: good point
[12:56] <MikeyD> the star wars prequels were the most amazing student films ive ever seen
[12:56] <Publius> the sith are no more
[12:56] <MikeyD> =)
[12:56] <Publius> thanks to luke and his brilliant students!
[12:56] <Publius> ;)
[12:56] <Publius> ahem
[12:56] <Publius> Master Skywalker*
[12:57] * Publius wheezes
[12:57] <Cathy344> I can't wait for Lucas to kick the bucket and his kids decide they need mo
[12:57] <MikeyD> nah dude, if they makes movies from their expanded universe, it gets alot mo
[12:57] <occ__> ehe
[12:57] <Publius> Mara Jaaaaaaaaaade
[12:57] <MikeyD> and/as
[12:57] <MikeyD> yeah dude
[12:57] <Publius> oooh ooh
[12:57] <MikeyD> i dont wanna see that shit
[12:57] <Publius> what actress
[12:57] <Cathy344> Publius; What is it, Padawan Dickstroker?
[12:57] <Publius> plays Mara Jade
[12:57] <occ__> did george lucas ever make a truly good movie?
[12:57] <Publius> ?
[12:57] <MikeyD> george lucas needs to stop making movies
[12:57] <MikeyD> hes really putting himself in a bad light
[12:57] <`426Hemi> hahahaha Ashton Kutchner is so bad
[12:57] <occ__> who made labyrinth?
[12:57] <Cathy344> THX 1138 is great.
[12:58] <Cathy344> Jim Henson.
[12:58] <`426Hemi> Punk'd is rude
[12:58] <MikeyD> right now hes still kicking himself over selling what would become pixar
[12:58] <occ__> anything with bowie gets an edge
[12:58] <Publius> Cathy344: you are a vicious one my friend
[12:58] <occ__> naw henson made the puppets
[12:58] <`426Hemi> hahahaha
[12:58] <Cathy344> The Jim Henson Creature Shop did all of the creature effects for Labyrithm
[12:58] <occ__> thats cool
[12:58] <Cathy344> Labyrinth, rather.
[12:58] <MikeyD> he couldnt have sold it to a better guy
[12:58] <occ__> BUT WHO DIRECTED IT?
[12:58] <MikeyD> the pixar story is really interesting
[12:59] <occ__> i know jim henson did the puppets! he did all puppets of note in all movies
[12:59] <MikeyD> good lesson in capitalism
[12:59] <`426Hemi> LOL!
[12:59] <occ__> howd steve jobns end up making pixar
[12:59] <Cathy344> publius: I'm just playin' withya. I mean no harm.
[12:59] <occ__> was he that visionary, or did he luck out?
[12:59] <occ__> because he basically got two shots at greatness
[13:00] <MikeyD> because he bought it from lucas for 10million so hed have cash for his wife
[13:00] <Cathy344> Steve Jobs was the neutered lap dog of Bill gates, wasn't he?
[13:00] * Publius is senwative
[13:00] <MikeyD> and steve really wasnt into it at first
[13:00] <Publius> bwahahahaha
[13:00] <occ__> my dream job used to be "pixar animator"
[13:00] <occ__> mebbe ill go for it one day
[13:00] <MikeyD> the pixar people used to say they were "the hobby" of steve
[13:01] <Cathy344> occ__: Make a few 5 minute shorts in Maya and e-mail them to Steve Jobs al
[13:01] <MikeyD> he didnt get serious about it till disney came calling
[13:01] <MikeyD> and he allowed disney to fuck him on the first movie
[13:01] <sintient> 5 minute short of brokeback toybox with woody and buzz going fishing
[13:01] <MikeyD> but hes more than made up for it now
[13:01] <gloriae> paid off for him, didn't it?
[13:01] <Cathy344> LOL
[13:02] <MikeyD> for what pixar is today, 10 mil in cash and the death of next freeing up mon
[13:02] <MikeyD> hell of an investment
[13:02] <Publius> MOSCOW, May 18 — The European Union today imposed a freeze on bank accounts
[13:02] <MikeyD> the real credit for pixar does to john lassiter
[13:02] <Publius> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/world/europe/18cnd-belarus.html?_r=1&oref
[13:02] * Publius is proud of the EU
[13:02] <gloriae> I still have a deep subliminal longing for a NeXt
[13:03] <MikeyD> you know
[13:03] <gloriae> they were promoting it on the UCB campus to students back in 1990 or so, mo
[13:03] <MikeyD> i did too in a way, but when next software died and apple came into it and t
[13:04] <gloriae> I have my doubts about their marketing strategies
[13:04] <gloriae> even more after it seemed to sink like a stone
[13:04] <MikeyD> i hate to toot my own horn, but going to cupertino to work on the server os
[13:04] <MikeyD> which taught me one lesson i never thought
[13:04] <MikeyD> that california sucked, and even working for apple cant make it suck any les
[13:05] <gloriae> so you like what place better, MikeyD, georgia?
[13:05] <MikeyD> yeah
[13:05] <MikeyD> absolutley
[13:06] <gloriae> I've lived in california for more than half my life and I still don't think
[13:06] <gloriae> I guess I'm slow to figure things out
[13:06] <MikeyD> cost of living, business, peace and quiet, quality of women, quality of peop
[13:06] <gloriae> plus I have this phobia about other climates
[13:06] <MikeyD> not to mention the drastic population decrease and lack of serious congestio
[13:07] <gloriae> if I could find another place with the topography and climate and nearness
[13:07] <Publius> gloriae: Israel!
[13:07] <gloriae> nope, too hot
[13:07] <MikeyD> i had a town house in cupertino that i could walk to apple in 8 mins from my
[13:07] <MikeyD> 1200 sqft, 3 bedroom
[13:07] <MikeyD> 3k a month
[13:07] <gloriae> Vancouver's appealing but there's the citizenship thing
[13:08] <Publius> gloriae: what about....some mediterranean island
[13:08] <Publius> or are they all too hot
[13:08] <MikeyD> here, i have a 3 bedroom, 2 bath house thats 2000sqft for 550 a month
[13:08] <bootedcat> china has blocked hotmail (live.com to be exact) for many days. guess in
[13:08] <CryArvach> Publius...how close are you to Duluth, GA?
[13:08] * gloriae adds english-speaking to the list
[13:08] <MikeyD> plus where i live in athens
[13:08] <MikeyD> holy fuck and a half
[13:08] <MikeyD> the women here are like
[13:08] <Publius> CryArvach: 15 minuites
[13:08] * CryArvach addz Hukked aun Fonikz to liztt
[13:08] <MikeyD> > *
[13:09] <CryArvach> Stand by for an email then Publius...a Fair Tax rally
[13:09] <MikeyD> and even better than that
[13:09] <MikeyD> its like
[13:09] <MikeyD> i keep getting older, but the college chicks all stay the same age year afte
[13:09] <MikeyD> =)
[13:09] <CryArvach> and get more warped in hygeine and fad
[13:10] <MikeyD> this is the capital for the 4 year gf plan
[13:10] <MikeyD> hi
[13:10] <MikeyD> 4 years later
[13:10] <CryArvach> some these days look like they fell face first into a box of fishing tack
[13:10] <Publius> Cryarvach: the 24th
[13:10] <Publius> I'm already there. ;)
[13:10] <MikeyD> hey, have fun with your new carrer baby, write
[13:10] <MikeyD> or email me or something
[13:10] <CryArvach> dayum..you got it already?
[13:10] <MikeyD> how great is that
[13:11] <Publius> I mean
[13:11] <Publius> considering I am on the Sonny campaign
[13:11] <CryArvach> is out in the sticks....
[13:11] <Publius> Linder too
[13:11] <Publius> it is a must attend
[13:11] <MikeyD> Publius: im getting some people up and going down there too
[13:11] <MikeyD> you know theyre expecting like 5k people
[13:11] <CryArvach> Tampa is 82 miles fromhere..closest city of any decent size
[13:11] * CryArvach gives Publius my vote
[13:12] <CryArvach> MikeyD..at the fair tax rally?
[13:12] <MikeyD> yeah
[13:12] <CryArvach> unless they get rid of the IRS....the fairtax will not mean anything
[13:12] <MikeyD> thats what the fairtax calls for
[13:13] <`426Hemi> what is the difference between an engine that can run on ethanol and one t
[13:13] <MikeyD> the elimination of the IRS
[13:13] <CryArvach> so far..I have seen nothing bad about it
[13:13] <MikeyD> i mean, the current buildings and employees might turn up being whatever rep
[13:13] <CryArvach> 426...the first one allows you to flip off OPEC
[13:13] <`426Hemi> haha yeh i know that
[13:13] <CryArvach> Brazal is awash in Sugar crops...
[13:13] <CryArvach> Brazil
[13:13] <CryArvach> all the ethanol they need
[13:13] <`426Hemi> but i mean shouldn't any combustion engine be able to run ethanol?
[13:14] <MikeyD> but there will be not tax on income, therefore theres no internal revenue bu
[13:14] <CryArvach> the difference is in the chemical composition I think
[13:14] <MikeyD> i hear that some politician in brazil is actually using the fairtax ideal as
[13:14] <CryArvach> tax consumption...not capital and labor
[13:14] <MikeyD> exactly
[13:14] <`426Hemi> just as long as the cylinder goes "boom" and drives the piston head down,
[13:14] <CryArvach> Brazil under a real fairtax would burgeon
[13:15] <Publius> if I was in the CIA
[13:15] <Publius> I would be working on Operation Brazilian Fairtax
[13:16] <`426Hemi> if i was brazil i would be putting my foot in the ass of Venezeula's Chave
[13:16] <Publius> it would basically entail me, some educated dudes, and some hot women lobyi
[13:16] <CryArvach> As MTBE is phased out due to its threat to groundwater quality, the deman
[13:16] <CryArvach> Methyl-Tertiary Butyl ethers
[13:16] <`426Hemi> Cry, yeh but what i am sayng is they have these new Flex Fuel vehicles tha
[13:17] <`426Hemi> i am trying to figure out why a regular car engine couldn't run the mix
[13:17] <`STINGRAY> nurtha is an asswipe
[13:18] <`STINGRAY> murtha
[13:18] <`STINGRAY> prax heya
[13:18] <praxis9> Yo.
[13:18] <`STINGRAY> prax i like the topic about murtha
[13:19] <CryArvach> 426......
[13:19] <`426Hemi> ?
[13:19] <`STINGRAY> murtha i saw him on tv when he attacked Japan. oops thats mothra
[13:19] <`STINGRAY> 426 cry hey
[13:19] <Publius> John Murtha, the official congressional troll
[13:19] <CryArvach> this url is somewhat green freak.....but it discusses the chemical differ
[13:19] <CryArvach> http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communique&newsid=11893
[13:19] <CryArvach> Congressman Mothra.....
[13:19] <CryArvach> oh oh its Godzilla voter!!
[13:20] <`STINGRAY> http://www.cryArvachscrewssheep.com
[13:20] <Glock21> http://www.stingrayforhillary08.com
[13:20] <Publius> Glock21: I kenw it!
[13:20] <Glock21> OH
[13:20] <Glock21> SNAP!
[13:21] <Publius> STING and Hildebeast sittin in a tree
[13:21] <`STINGRAY> hey are you all geting ready?????? i am going to home depot and stock on
[13:21] <`STINGRAY> pub hehehehe
[13:21] <CryArvach> its a redir....
[13:21] <`STINGRAY> glock heya
[13:21] <Glock21> howdy!
[13:21] <CryArvach> http://www.stingrayishairyleather.org
[13:21] <Lupine> http://www.stingray.fantasy.com/janet_reno/naked_cold_wet.mov
[13:22] <Publius> ATLANTA, May 18 — Former Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani put aside his support fo
[13:22] <CryArvach> G likes the beef jerky btw Sting
[13:22] <Publius> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/18/nyregion/18cnd-rudy.html
[13:22] <`426Hemi> Fully 80 percent of the stems and leaves of a corn plant is cellulose (the
[13:22] * `426Hemi snickers
[13:22] <Lupine> Giuliani is against basic human rights in NYC
[13:22] <`STINGRAY> lupine htt://www.lupnegetoffon janet reano.org
[13:22] <CryArvach> Publius...see why Giuliani will not make it in 2008?
[13:22] <CryArvach> unless he is doing this for chits for 2008....
[13:23] <Publius> that is *exactly*
[13:23] <Publius> why
[13:23] <Publius> could you imagine
[13:23] <Publius> Vice President
[13:23] <CryArvach> Giuliani can not be trusted
[13:23] <Publius> Ralph Reed
[13:23] <CryArvach> no...
[13:23] <`STINGRAY> ralph reed is an asshole
[13:23] <Publius> watch for it
[13:23] <CryArvach> Raplh Reed is not an asshole...
[13:23] <Publius> Guillini offered Ralph something big
[13:23] <Publius> for him to support him
[13:23] <CryArvach> he is simply dangerous.....
[13:24] <CryArvach> as much as Hillary is
[13:24] <`STINGRAY> puby hey cry had a job at a sperm bank but got fired for drinking up all
[13:24] <Publius> ROFl
[13:24] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:24] <CryArvach> Stingray had a dick once...but it fell off.....now he has a Corvette
[13:24] <Publius> oooooooooooh
[13:24] <`STINGRAY> pub and 426 got the job at the hospital yep he made alot of tips working
[13:24] <Publius> fight fight fight
[13:25] <`STINGRAY> cry hrhrhr
[13:25] <CryArvach> Stingray showed up a ta crafts show once......
[13:25] <CryArvach> they thought he was a piece of leather
[13:25] <`STINGRAY> publius got his own shadow preginent
[13:25] <Publius> "On some of these social issues, we have disagreements that are very, very
[13:25] <Lupine> sting was cited by the FAA.. the glare off his bald head was interfering wi
[13:25] <Publius> WTF DOES HE MEAN "going to be an effective leader"
[13:25] <`426Hemi> E85 Ethanol is not all good, it can also do damage, like prolonged exposur
[13:25] <Publius> ??
[13:26] <`STINGRAY> lupine no the baldie here is cry a elmer fudd look alike
[13:26] <`426Hemi> For post-1988 fuel-injected engines, all the components are already design
[13:26] * CryArvach uses 426 for test of E-85
[13:26] <Fretless> e85 also takes more energy to produce than it provides
[13:26] <Publius> Cry: "We're here to get you elected," Mr. Giuliani replied, grinning and sh
[13:26] <Publius> that's it
[13:26] <CryArvach> errr yah
[13:26] <`426Hemi> Nonetheless, operation with more than 10% ethanol has never been recommend
[13:27] <`STINGRAY> 426 hemi went on the springer show, he had sex with his jeep till he foun
[13:27] <CryArvach> Reed is a little younger than I am
[13:27] <`426Hemi> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so basically you CAN run E85
[13:27] <CryArvach> I know some people remember him in 1988 and in 1992?
[13:27] <`426Hemi> its just "not recommended"
[13:27] <Lupine> rusty: yea.. it does some pretty bad stuff in many auto's
[13:27] <Fretless> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Savinganddebt/Saveonacar/P150812.asp?G
[13:27] <Publius> CryArvach: I know
[13:27] <Fretless> a decent writup on ethanol
[13:27] <Publius> but you can't win an election
[13:27] <Publius> not this one at least
[13:27] <Publius> by bitching about the past
[13:28] <Publius> people change, usually do
[13:28] <Publius> regardless of whether Reed has or has not
[13:28] <`STINGRAY> cry hey i got an idea for a web site. used wifes for sale low milage. r
[13:28] <CryArvach> Publius...you will like this
[13:28] <CryArvach> http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101950515,00.html?internalid=AC
[13:28] <Publius> BWAHAHAHAHAHA
[13:28] <CryArvach> I think Time did that photo that way on purpose
[13:28] <`426Hemi> Brazil, in its conversion to an ethanol-fueled economy, determined that op
[13:28] <`STINGRAY> pub hahahaha
[13:28] <Lupine> Stingray appeared on Jerry Springer "My live is horrible, I can't get laid w
[13:28] <Publius> CryArvach: yeah but I have read this article before
[13:29] <Publius> and TIme basically sucked him off
[13:29] <Publius> "one of the top 5 most influential politicians in the world"
[13:29] <Publius> crap like that
[13:29] <CryArvach> the Cover though....
[13:29] <`STINGRAY> 'pub my wife says if she dies first he wants all of the money. i said coo
[13:29] <Publius> kicks ass
[13:29] <CryArvach> He looks like Evil incarnate on it
[13:29] <Publius> wait?
[13:29] <Publius> whom?
[13:29] <Publius> hahaha
[13:29] <CryArvach> all you need for it is a moustache and some swastikas
[13:29] <carenot> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1634557/posts?page=28#28
[13:29] <CryArvach> http://www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1101950515,00.html?internalid=AC
[13:30] <`STINGRAY> lupnes wife ran off with his best friend and he misses HIM alot
[13:30] <Lupine> sting: you got that right.. a wife, well.. that's not much... but a good dri
[13:30] <Publius> o_O
[13:30] <CryArvach> Ralphie boy is my age
[13:31] <`426Hemi> Fretless apparently that is a myth
[13:31] <`STINGRAY> lupine is so lame he was at a bar with his friend when the friend says my
[13:31] <Fretless> yeah ?
[13:31] <CryArvach> Under Reed the USA becomes the UCIRSA
[13:31] <Publius> I doubt it
[13:31] <`426Hemi> <+Fretless> e85 also takes more energy to produce than it provides
[13:31] <Publius> Reed isn't a true fundie
[13:31] <Publius> he just wants power
[13:32] <CryArvach> United Cheerfully Intolerant Religious States of America
[13:32] <CryArvach> Under Hillary, the USSA
[13:32] <`426Hemi> E85 has been repeatedly shown to produce more power than a comparable gaso
[13:32] <CryArvach> United Socialist States of America
[13:32] <`STINGRAY> cry took his last girlfriend to a dog show and she won 1st prize
[13:32] <CryArvach> Pick your Hell!
[13:32] <Lupine> sting was born so ugly, the doctor slapped both his mother and his father..
[13:32] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:33] <CryArvach> When Sting doggied his last GF.....she looked like she was wearing a cape
[13:33] <Fretless> 426 may I have a source so I can cite it for future discussion with peopl
[13:33] <Publius> http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/cliffordmay/2006/05/18/197875.html
[13:33] <`STINGRAY> lupine is so ugly his wife said hey lupine is that your face or did hyour
[13:33] <Lupine> sting was born so ugly, instead of putting him in the normal maternity ward
[13:33] <`426Hemi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85#Risks
[13:33] <CryArvach> Lupine's Favorite Ramones Song...Howling At The Moon
[13:33] <Fretless> danke
[13:33] <`STINGRAY> lupine is so ugly they put his face on an iodine bottle
[13:34] <CryArvach> Stingray is the poster boy for abstinence
[13:34] <`426Hemi> looking for a better source
[13:34] <`STINGRAY> cr nah his fave song is lifting upp my leg by the hydrant
[13:34] <CryArvach> yes best not to rely on wiki
[13:34] <`STINGRAY> cry is the poster child for swine flu
[13:34] <`426Hemi> Powered by E85 bioethanol, a renewable and sustainable fuel, the 2.3-litre
[13:35] <`426Hemi> http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/Saab/article-34128.html <---
[13:35] <`STINGRAY> 426 car is a babe magnet. ya babe the pig
[13:35] <Lupine> sting loves a fine smelling woman.. he just loves that ode-to-bengay perfume
[13:35] <Fretless> thanks again
[13:35] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:35] <bootedcat> if china government orders foreign enterprises to withdraw from china, wi
[13:36] <Fretless> <<<<<<<< too young for medicare and too old for ch
[13:36] <Publius> bootedcat: he might throw a fit
[13:36] <`STINGRAY> lupine is so dumb he thinks a hemaroid is a 60 second camera
[13:36] <Publius> Fretless: LOL
[13:36] <Publius> but
[13:36] <Publius> aren't you in er Sweden?
[13:36] <Publius> or...
[13:36] <Lupine> sting's peter is so ugly and foul smelling, his own hands fake narcolepsy on
[13:36] <`STINGRAY> sweeden abba girls were so cute i bet they now have droopy tits
[13:36] <Fretless> i am in maryland publius "if you were talking to me"
[13:37] <`STINGRAY> lupine is chubby checkers brother stubby pecker
[13:37] <Fretless> less than 10 minutes from camp david
[13:37] <Publius> Fretless: my apologizes. I am tired...and there is this one dude from scand
[13:37] <Publius> as your server
[13:37] <`STINGRAY> soon to be named camp hillary
[13:37] <Publius> lol
[13:37] <`STINGRAY> hahahaha
[13:37] <Publius> "fi" nick
[13:37] <Publius> starts with "fi"
[13:38] <`STINGRAY> no fe fi fo fum
[13:38] <Publius> lol
[13:38] <Fretless> http://www.mp3-blues.org/~fretless/hclinton.jpg
[13:38] <Fretless> if it said 2008 id print it and hang it
[13:38] <Publius> Fretless: LMAO
[13:41] <gppo> hmm Bhangra music is cool
[13:41] <gppo> hmm indian hiphop is sweet
[13:41] <gppo> it like traditional music with hiphop
[13:41] <`STINGRAY> pub hey i called my friend in orland where he works at freetolay. the gir
[13:41] <`STINGRAY> i said are ya really
[13:41] <`STINGRAY> and hing up
[13:42] <Publius> hahahahahahha
[13:42] <gppo> may I lay my fritos on her
[13:42] <gppo> :)
[13:42] <gppo> I forget how the cormecial went
[13:42] <gppo> oh well, not into pop icon tv
[13:42] <gppo> :(
[13:43] <gppo> dam this download is so slow
[13:43] <`STINGRAY> pub i go to kmart with my cop pal he walks in i say i got to make a phone
[13:43] <`STINGRAY> my friend knew it was me
[13:43] <Publius> oh thats nothing
[13:43] <Publius> STING: hello is a mike hunt there?
[13:44] <`STINGRAY> haha i know that one
[13:44] <Publius> best one
[13:44] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:44] <Fretless> Amanda Hugginkiss
[13:44] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:45] <`STINGRAY> bend over
[13:45] <`STINGRAY> i use that one at walmart
[13:45] <`STINGRAY> i like to go though drive thru at sonice and order a big mack
[13:45] <`STINGRAY> sonics
[13:46] <`STINGRAY> or go to the drive up teller and and ask for fries and coke
[13:46] <Fretless> well most yukapucks at walmart would fall for Dick Smemga
[13:46] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:46] <`STINGRAY> lupine is so dumb he thinks Mobey Dick is a new strain of VD
[13:47] <evader> ...
[13:47] <evader> moby dick is a dj
[13:47] <evader> he sucks
[13:48] <CryArvach> Mobey Dick is a Techno DJ
[13:48] <CryArvach> pffft....son't they all
[13:48] <Fretless> hell and I always thought it was a whale
[13:48] <CryArvach> Techon - an excuse to munch E
[13:48] <Fretless> too true
[13:49] * CryArvach The Anti Nowhere League - Punk Rock's Gonna Live Forever.mp3
[13:49] <`STINGRAY> evader hahahahaha
[13:49] <Fretless> just like a dead show was a great excuse to trip
[13:49] <`STINGRAY> sweet hiya
[13:49] <CryArvach> Stings fave Priest Song - hell Bent For Leather
[13:49] <`STINGRAY> cry lol
[13:49] <CryArvach> LSD is the better drug :)))
[13:50] <Fretless> by far
[13:50] <CryArvach> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.....
[13:50] <`STINGRAY> crys favorite song by tony bennett i left my ass in san franciswco
[13:50] <CryArvach> Surviving Beatles finally fessed up to what most already knew
[13:50] <CryArvach> Sting..you don't have an ass
[13:51] <`STINGRAY> cry ya i gave it to g
[13:51] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:51] <`STINGRAY> tell her i need it back
[13:51] <CryArvach> that would be like pasting a soccer ball to a piece of plywood
[13:51] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:51] <`STINGRAY> cry ya did g see the shirt
[13:52] <CryArvach> she liked it
[13:52] <`STINGRAY> cool does she want one
[13:52] <CryArvach> I will wear it tomorrow :)
[13:52] <`STINGRAY> cool
[13:52] <`STINGRAY> cry go to churt with it on., i bet they would like it
[13:52] <`STINGRAY> hahahaha
[13:52] <CryArvach> I do not do Church
[13:52] <Guest49> Ron Howard has made one HUGE mistake - first--not fearing the Lord, and sec
[13:53] <CryArvach> I would have to find something appropriate to wear
[13:53] <`STINGRAY> cry dont lie you meet the priest in the boys room
[13:53] <CryArvach> Guest49 - Dotard
[13:53] <`426Hemi> especially after finding out Stingray is really a catholic priest
[13:53] <bmc> Bell South demands full retraction of false and unsubstantiated claims made in
[13:53] * `426Hemi snickers
[13:53] * Publius wonders if he is in the British house of commons
[13:53] <`STINGRAY> 426 bwahahahahahaha
[13:53] <CryArvach> Publius...let me check.....
[13:53] <bmc> theyre trying to force them to reveal their sources....
[13:54] <bmc> if they have no evidence, that could be slanderous or defamation of character
[13:54] <GODS[GOD]> `STINGRAY POWER
[13:54] * CryArvach While House of Lords is in Session CryHavoc rips off all of their gentryware
[13:54] <bmc> if they have evidence and release it, their source is fried
[13:54] <CryArvach> heh I would appreciate it more
[13:54] <GODS[GOD]> oops gotta ease up on the whiskey
[13:54] <GODS[GOD]> heh
[13:55] <GODS[GOD]> is it Friday yet
[13:55] <CryArvach> hey god2
[13:55] <`STINGRAY> pu went tp ick up some prositutes and afer all night in the building a ma
[13:55] <GODS[GOD]> hey CryArvach wassup?
[13:55] <`426Hemi> Paul: Heather Didn't Marry Me for Money
[13:55] <`STINGRAY> gfodsgods heya
[13:55] <CryArvach> you going to vist Sting?
[13:55] <GODS[GOD]> hey folks honestly I love you all you crazy bastids
[13:55] <`426Hemi> yeh she only married him for his pot!
[13:55] <Publius> STING: AHAHAHA
[13:55] <`STINGRAY> lol
[13:55] <Guest49> not only drunk but blind as a bat warehouse--lol
[13:55] <bmc> bet the government has given assurances their source would be silenced, and the
[13:55] <GODS[GOD]> I think so. Sting is a role model. he's alive, unlike ALOT of people out
[13:56] <GODS[GOD]> the man is LIVING life
[13:56] <Guest49> la vita loca
[13:56] <CryArvach> The Da Vinci Code will serve a good purpose....
[13:56] <CarsKill> almost every other commercial is for cars. 42,000 deaths in the US per ye
[13:56] <CryArvach> for 24 hours at least..every conspiracy waknut will be in theater
[13:56] <`STINGRAY> i looked at tha back of crys bald head and i thought it said 666 but on c
[13:56] <Guest49> Ron Howard is playing with fire and is in deep crap
[13:56] <GODS[GOD]> You know at first I was intimidated by some people here but then I realiz
[13:56] <`STINGRAY> gods gods cool
[13:56] <CryArvach> Guest49...how so?
[13:56] <bmc> his movie will bomb
[13:56] <CryArvach> I think it will do ok.....
[13:57] <Guest49> Ron Howard does not fear the Lord, that's how so
[13:57] <CryArvach> the more grumbling from the church...the better the sales will bge
[13:57] <praxis9> Well, at least with the DaVinci Code we have a certified albino killer. It'
[13:57] <GODS[GOD]> Hey If i could have my way I would trade my life for peace and happiness
[13:57] <`426Hemi> CarsKill ohhh myyy god....
[13:57] <CryArvach> Guest49...I learned not to fear fairy tales either
[13:57] <`STINGRAY> opie? wasnt he a robot on star wars ya opiewannadoobie
[13:57] <CryArvach> The Opus Dei does exist....
[13:57] <`426Hemi> man you guys really need to do something better with your time than worry
[13:58] <Guest49> the Masons also exist and P2
[13:58] <GODS[GOD]> a good friend of mine his wife died in a car wreck and i've lost my mind
[13:58] <CryArvach> they are upset at being protrayed as Church Cleaners
[13:58] <Guest49> and P7
[13:58] <praxis9> We have a huge building housing Opus Dei in my town.
[13:58] <GODS[GOD]> I'm sad AND angry
[13:58] <GODS[GOD]> angry because i don't feel there is a benevolent watcher
[13:58] <praxis9> It's an imposing structure, very Egyptian.
[13:58] <CryArvach> The Defensor Fidei also exist
[13:58] <GODS[GOD]> I feel impotent , I can't prevent the suffering of others
[13:58] <CryArvach> It is plausible to state that Rome has its protectors as well
[13:59] <GODS[GOD]> I wish I could, god I wish i could
[13:59] <CryArvach> they sent one after QE I
[13:59] <Publius> GOD: do not worry
[13:59] * Publius is here
[14:00] <Lupine> Gods: find the other person involved in the wreck, and hunt them down
[14:01] <AAAman> .If South Carolina should rebel,--and secession is rebellion,--and if other
[14:01] <`426Hemi> Rep. Cynthia McKinney, who could face charges for assaulting a Capitol pol
[14:01] <`426Hemi> The Georgia Democrat became one of 40 co-sponsors of a bill designed to "e
[14:01] <`426Hemi> buahahaha
[14:02] <GODS[GOD]> is there a light at the end of the tunnel...and if so when ...1000 years
[14:02] <GODS[GOD]> if at all
[14:02] <GODS[GOD]> i get so despondent when i think all there is is suffering eternally
[14:02] <GODS[GOD]> i don't want to go to any more funerals
[14:02] <BLaZor> hey guys
[14:03] <`STINGRAY> godsgods chk msg
[14:03] <ManKind> GODS[GOD] all the more reason to enjoy the good times
[14:04] <Lupine> god: exacting retrobution upon those who caused it, will bring satisfaction
[14:04] <Lupine> retri..
[14:04] <CryArvach> 1586
[14:04] <CryArvach> bbiab
[14:04] <BLaZor> !help
[14:04] <BLaZor> 'help
[14:07] <`STINGRAY> i called god this mornin he is a cool guy
[14:07] <SweetLeaf> man Sting talks to god
[14:07] <SweetLeaf> whew
[14:07] <SweetLeaf> heh
[14:07] <CarsKill> i heard sting can last forever
[14:07] <SweetLeaf> he is god
[14:08] <SweetLeaf> Man that identd thing was hard to get going
[14:08] * GODS[GOD] apologizes to all of humanity for having wasted the earths finite, limited reso
[14:08] <AAAman> It's not a good idea to start stacking the federal bench.
[14:08] <AAAman> Karl Rove promised conservative activists last week that the White House was
[14:08] <GODS[GOD]> I have not created jobs, invented or innovated
[14:08] <GODS[GOD]> i'm a leech on the better people
[14:09] <GODS[GOD]> feel free to kill me
[14:09] <bud`> appointing judges they were elected to appoint = BAD BAD
[14:09] <Publius> GODS: man
[14:09] <Publius> are you hindu?
[14:09] <Publius> lol
[14:09] <Publius> ...
[14:09] <Publius> as in the religion
[14:09] <Publius> sorry
[14:09] <Publius> didn't mean to come off so damned insulting
[14:09] <GODS[GOD]> i'm a waste of space
[14:10] <GODS[GOD]> i'm pro social darwinism
[14:10] <blaaz> a saggy bag of flesh and bones
[14:10] <SweetLeaf> Gods I dont compare the pain but my sister just had to put her 16 year o
[14:11] <GODS[GOD]> i put myself in his shoes for one second and its unbearable
[14:11] <GODS[GOD]> we all go through this, and its sick
[14:11] <Publius> GODS: I just have a feeling you are indian...or i dunno. you definitely hav
[14:11] <Publius> ideal
[14:11] <Publius> that I picture in the area
[14:11] <GODS[GOD]> Publius I don't know if I'm Indian a Fool or both
[14:11] <Publius> and if you are a random white dude in america
[14:11] <GODS[GOD]> probably both
[14:11] <Publius> aha!
[14:11] <Publius> well I am american, white, and foolish
[14:11] <Publius> no worries
[14:12] <AAAman> Social conservatives are increasingly furious that Bush's war and his tax cu
[14:12] <praxis9> I'm white and an indian.
[14:12] <RobVanDam> praxis9: do you work at a call center?
[14:12] <Publius> tis very possible
[14:12] <RobVanDam> :)
[14:12] <AAAman> cram a huge boatload of nut jobs into the courts before the doors to the Whi
[14:12] <praxis9> Sioux on my mother's side.
[14:13] <AAAman> Harriet Miers fiasco
[14:13] <AAAman> starting a war over the judiciary
[14:13] <RobVanDam> praxis9: can i get some saffron from you?
[14:13] <Lupine> OMFG!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE
[14:14] <SweetLeaf> How many missing in action due to the identd thing?
[14:14] <AAAman> president to launch a full-scale feud over his judicial appointments
[14:14] <praxis9> Rob: No.
[14:14] <RobVanDam> lol aaaman
[14:14] <AAAman> action on issues like gay marriage, abortion, and school prayer
[14:14] <RobVanDam> AAAman: you mean democrats are launching a full-scale fued
[14:14] <AAAman> lol
[14:15] <RobVanDam> AAAman: there is no reason to not pass his nominations
[14:15] <RobVanDam> AAAman: unless of course they were trying to wipe out a group of people..
[14:15] <Lupine> this pilot is insane!
[14:15] <RobVanDam> arn't
[14:15] <RobVanDam> and they arn't extreme
[14:15] <AAAman> president has no idea what even his most loyal judicial monkeys may do in th
[14:16] <Workdug> **** ALERT TO CHANNEL OPS. jJones832 is a logging client that logs your cha
[14:16] <Workdug> **** ALERT TO CHANNEL OPS. jJones832 is a logging client that logs your cha
[14:16] <bud`> AAAman being the classic troll with the hit-n-run pastes
[14:16] <Publius> AAAman writes speeches for Howard Dean, Saddam Hussein, and Cindy Sheikan
[14:16] <RobVanDam> Publius: and the president of iran
[14:17] <Publius> AAAman: nah...I write that. ;)
[14:17] <AAAman> even in the best of circumstances they will not perform as pupets
[14:17] <Publius> er
[14:17] <Publius> RobVanDam
[14:17] <Publius> I mean
[14:17] <bud`> <+AAAman> Social conservatives are increasingly furious that Bush's war
[14:17] <bud`> name 1?
[14:17] <AAAman> Roy Moore types?
[14:17] <bud`> that tidbit sure as hell didn't come from a social conserv.
[14:17] <AAAman> bud -- That does not apply to you
[14:18] <Publius> RobVanDam: I write Imahandjob's speeches so that he gets blown up...
[14:18] <Publius> hehe
[14:18] <AAAman> Miers-like devotion to Bush?
[14:19] <bud`> YYYEEEEAAAAARGGGG
[14:20] <Publius> wow
[14:20] <Publius> someone just made(in another channel) are simple but great point about iraq
[14:21] <Publius> "the usa leaving iraq will not end the problems of the US in the world"
[14:21] <Publius> a*
[14:21] <RobVanDam> lol 'imahandjob'
[14:21] <RobVanDam> nice
[14:22] <AAAman> Publius -- In fact Bush will be awarded the Noble Peace prize as our armed f
[14:22] <RobVanDam> AAAman: lol
[14:22] <RobVanDam> AAAman: well you never know
[14:22] <RobVanDam> AAAman: arafat got a peace prize
[14:22] <bud`> so I'll be perma banned in here soon, cause I'm gonna start using my router ag
[14:22] <RobVanDam> and if arafat can get one, anyone can
[14:24] <Publius> RVD: even meee?
[14:24] <AAAman> Beware of What You Wish For
[14:25] <RobVanDam> Publius: YES! Even you! Just send $19.95 via PayPal to me.
[14:25] <`426Hemi> Boston scientists released a provocative report yesterday that challenges
[14:25] <`STINGRAY> 'rob hey pub only pays by gaypal
[14:26] <Publius> !
[14:27] <RobVanDam> two species cannot breed...
[14:27] <`426Hemi> The researchers, working at the Cambridge-based Broad Institute of Harvard
[14:28] <`426Hemi> well apparently these Cambridge and MIT researchers disagree with you Rob
[14:28] <RobVanDam> `426Hemi: they are wrong then
[14:28] <GODS[GOD]> the sorry fact is some of us are more evolved than others (and it isn't m
[14:28] <GODS[GOD]> and life is competition
[14:28] <`426Hemi> yeh ok
[14:28] <RobVanDam> `426Hemi: by the definition of species... two species cannot breed
[14:28] <GODS[GOD]> and people take pleasure in revenge and success
[14:28] <`426Hemi> right
[14:28] <`426Hemi> what department at MIT do you work at again?
[14:28] <prkrastn8> how can the 1st human be 1,000,000 years old when the world was built 10,
[14:29] <RobVanDam> ah so neanderthals are half human half chimp
[14:29] <GODS[GOD]> SCHADENFREUDEN is ubiquitious
[14:29] <Publius> o_O
[14:29] <RobVanDam> `426Hemi: The Dept. of Debunking
[14:29] <WackyWolf> NEW YORK -- Actress Susan Sarandon, a longtime liberal political activist
[14:30] <`426Hemi> This contradiction could be resolved, Reich said, if early creatures like
[14:30] <GODS[GOD]> inbreeding and mutations folks
[14:30] <GODS[GOD]> Ashkenazim generally do well in IQ tests, scoring 12-15 points above the
[14:30] <GODS[GOD]> the diseases are also the blessings
[14:30] <GODS[GOD]> catch-22
[14:30] <praxis9> Inbreeding.
[14:30] <`426Hemi> Biologists have long known about hybrids -- a half-grizzly bear, half-pola
[14:30] <GODS[GOD]> yes isolation
[14:31] <GODS[GOD]> fuck your mom brothers and sisters get mutated get smart
[14:31] <GODS[GOD]> thats evolution for ya
[14:31] <GODS[GOD]> not all mutations are deleterious
[14:31] <bud`> huge spurts in evolution have occured right after mass extinction events
[14:32] <GODS[GOD]> also couple that with extraordinary environmental challenges
[14:32] <bud`> if something happened and 90% of the life on earth got wiped out, the survivor
[14:32] <GODS[GOD]> and the brain evolves
[14:32] <GODS[GOD]> so we have two classes of people the more and less evolved
[14:32] <GODS[GOD]> and the good news is the more evolved will become the defacto standard un
[14:32] <GODS[GOD]> ad infinitum ad nauseum
[14:35] <Publius> About 150 protesters have given Prime Minister John Howard a rowdy receptio
[14:35] <Publius> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=102128
[14:35] <Publius> "I woke up this morning, I was driving to work, and I thought, you know, th
[14:35] <GODS[GOD]> http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4032638
[14:35] <Publius> "And it's almost like Stephen Harper looked in the personal columns and sai
[14:36] <Publius> "Because that seems to be what these leaders are doing. They're people with
[14:36] * Publius sighs
[14:36] <GODS[GOD]> if you're retarded you fault someone for being more evolved. ITS YOUR FAU
[14:36] <GODS[GOD]> but if you're honest you know no one chooses their birthright
[14:37] <Publius> "Australia and Canada are like twins separated at birth."
[14:37] <blehbhh> why is that
[14:37] <Publius> http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Arti
[14:38] <Publius> and the history of Canada/Aussie relations
[14:39] <eXistenZ> rascals lol
[14:40] <praxis9> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwZD59Ic9T8&dpos=1
[14:43] <Publius> my sisters new boyfriend was a sniper in iraq!!!
[14:43] <Publius> he's comin over..(will interrogate)
[14:45] <eXistenZ> Publius, who cares?
[14:45] <Publius> hopefully, my friends in this channel
[14:45] <Publius> !
[14:45] <eXistenZ> I don't see any response :-)
[14:45] <Publius> panini will respond
[14:46] <Publius> panini: my sisters new bf was a sniper in iraq for 3 years!
[14:46] <Publius> he's comin over
[14:46] <Publius> haha
[14:46] * Publius pulls out his intel files
[14:46] <eXistenZ> there we go
[14:46] * Publius prays
[14:50] <Lupine> Publius: find out what rifle/scope/ammo he was using
[14:50] <Lupine> btw: i now got two gators on my bank.. i would guess the smaller one is fema
[14:51] <Publius> Lupine: will do
[14:52] <Publius> Lupine: any specifics I should ask, that would be cool
[14:52] <Publius> and or informative?
[14:52] <bmc> dont they only use like a couple diff weapons?
[14:52] <bmc> .50 caliber or some .30 caliber magnum?
[14:52] <bmc> for snipers.
[14:53] <bmc> .300 magnum or .338 magnum or whatever new cartridges they use now...
[14:54] <`426Hemi> May 18, 2006 — A study of the strange climate changes in the Indian Ocean
[14:54] <`426Hemi> Extensive air monitoring with unmanned aircrafts along with satellite and
[14:54] * Publius blinks
[14:55] <bmc> odd
[14:56] <bmc> non-sensical even, if its not happening on a global scale, its not really globa
[14:56] <bmc> regional warming?
[14:56] <`STINGRAY> 426 oh no got to run to home depot get some supplies man will this happen
[14:56] <bmc> microclimates
[14:56] <moozh> Hmm, but if the smog absorbs the sunlight it should be converted to heat in t
[14:56] <Publius> '426hemi: all that damn currty
[14:56] * Publius snickers
[14:57] <`STINGRAY> cry was on maury test came back he was the father to those 4 sheep
[14:57] <Publius> I didn't know Cry was a Kiwi
[14:57] <bmc> moozh maybe its not absorbing it?
[14:57] <bmc> :P
[14:57] <`STINGRAY> lol
[14:57] <`426Hemi> PRIME Minister John Howard last night warned that growing anti-Americanism
[14:58] <bmc> hehe
[14:58] <MHarter> Rusty, if the Earth gets to warm it will get steamy and rain a lot, scrubbi
[14:58] <`426Hemi> "To the voices of anti-Americanism around the world, to those who shout 'Y
[14:58] <`426Hemi> "No dominant power in history has brought to bear the righteous force or g
[14:58] <`426Hemi> "Without American leadership, the trials and tragedies of recent years cou
[14:58] <`426Hemi> "With American leadership, we can build a better world -- not just for us,
[14:58] <bmc> evaporational cooling
[14:58] <`STINGRAY> i bet al gore will get the dnc to pay the people to see his lame movie. i
[14:58] <Publius> '426Hemi: LINK LINK
[14:59] <Lupine> Well, they re-issued a bunch of "mothballed" M-14's in 7.62nato in Iraq..
[14:59] <Publius> micwhale m00re
[14:59] <`STINGRAY> lol
[14:59] <Lupine> you have a series of various sniper rifles they used, from 300magnum, .338 l
[15:00] <Lupine> and of course, you got the .22lr rifles for pantywaists like stingray who ha
[15:00] <bmc> wth is lapua, dont understand why they create a new cartridge when they already
[15:00] <bmc> .338 win mag
[15:00] <bmc> .338 wby mag
[15:00] <bmc> 338-378 wby mag
[15:01] <bmc> 30-378 also
[15:01] <`426Hemi> http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,19184351%255E663
[15:01] <bmc> what is special about the lapua magnum?
[15:01] <Lupine> but I think the standard now is a version of the Remington 700, [ M40A2/3 ]
[15:02] <bmc> http://www.chuckhawks.com/super_338_Mags.htm
[15:02] <bmc> 46.5 ft/lbs of recoil energy
[15:03] <Lupine> bmc: subtle differences really.. the sectional density/cross section is supp
[15:03] <bmc> seems like an awful lot of recoil
[15:03] <bmc> wonder if they will use that new barrett .416 barrett
[15:04] <Lupine> well.. i think the vast majority still use the 7.62x51 nato
[15:05] <Lupine> the military doesn't like a ton of different calibers/equipment for regular
[15:05] <Nohman> It's too bad they don't have guns that shoot nuclear bullets or something
[15:05] <Nohman> That would be awesome
[15:06] * Publius growls
[15:06] <Lupine> i gotta keep an eye on those gators, sure don't want her nesting in my yard!
[15:06] <Nohman> Where do you live Lupine, in the south?
[15:06] <Fretless> cant you call animal control ?
[15:06] <Fretless> or just pop it with some lead
[15:07] <Publius> well that was the coaching strategy to beat the gators down in jax last yea
[15:07] <Lupine> Nohman: central florida
[15:07] <Publius> but shockley got hurt
[15:07] <Publius> ;)
[15:07] <bmc> Lupine go dangle your feet off the bank
[15:07] <bmc> i mean youre in florida in gator country, why not!
[15:07] <Nohman> Yeah, american alligators are all over that state
[15:07] <Lupine> well, given I am on a large lake.. where they often PUT removed gators..
[15:07] <Lupine> I dont mind them, just dont want them to nest
[15:07] <bmc> people need to learn they arent on this planet alone
[15:08] <Nohman> The southeast is infested with american alligators
[15:08] <bmc> get attacked by bears they blame the bears, attacked by a gator they blame the
[15:08] <bmc> were humans, were suppose to be smarter
[15:08] <Lupine> bmc: and when humans attack humans.. they blame the gun
[15:09] <bmc> you mvoe to gator country, you ought to watch out for gators
[15:09] <bmc> 3 people killed in the past 2 months
[15:09] <Publius> bmc: dem gators are more down south
[15:09] <Publius> now
[15:09] <positvepi> you know what
[15:09] <Publius> in tha okefanokee
[15:09] <positvepi> thats because americans are dumb and they build houses in their habitat
[15:09] <bmc> yes
[15:09] <positvepi> quit building houses next to alligator lagoons
[15:09] <bmc> not only that, but they take it for granted
[15:09] <positvepi> swamps
[15:09] <Publius> positivepi: we ain't dumb...we are just stubborn
[15:09] <Lupine> well, most other nations are not any better. it aint an "american" thing
[15:09] <Publius> we will build whereever the hell we want
[15:09] <Publius> lol
[15:09] <bmc> they think just because they live their the gators will leave
[15:10] <bmc> :P
[15:10] <bmc> doesnt work that way
[15:10] <positvepi> i take that back, not all americans, some americans
[15:10] <blaaz> leave the swamps for the gators
[15:10] <Publius> fug the gators
[15:10] <positvepi> they wonder why they are getting attacked, CNN showed video of houses bei
[15:10] <positvepi> the back porch was not even 20 Meters
[15:10] <`426Hemi> HENRY COUNTY, Ga. -- A Henry County high school student is facing criminal
[15:10] <`426Hemi> The teacher has filed defamation of character charges against the student,
[15:10] <`426Hemi> Eagle’s Landing High School science teacher Robert Muzzillo pursued the ch
[15:10] <`426Hemi> The profile talked about Muzzillo liking Michael Jackson and having a "gay
[15:10] <positvepi> from the swamp
[15:10] <Publius> their spurrier inspired reign of terror ruled the SEC for a decade
[15:10] <`426Hemi> ohh my god
[15:10] <Lupine> well, I was thinking of buying some stuffed doggie and dolls.. and putting r
[15:10] <`STINGRAY> \positiv you sound like an enviro nut
[15:10] <positvepi> no im not an environmentalist at all
[15:10] <positvepi> but it makes sense
[15:11] <positvepi> dont build houses next to a darn swamp with gators in it
[15:11] <Lupine> rusty: lol.. well, truth IS a valid defense ;-)
[15:11] <`STINGRAY> lupine hey great idea feed the illegals give them rubber chickens
[15:11] <Publius> ;426Hemi: no worries
[15:11] <Publius> we do this every other week in georgia
[15:11] <positvepi> there are terrorist on myspace
[15:11] <positvepi> who live in the US
[15:11] <bmc> dont build along the water in hurricane country
[15:11] <Publius> the old conservatives teachers get their panties in a wad
[15:11] <Lupine> sting: well, I think if the gators learn small-children or dogs = food.. we
[15:11] <Publius> and the court says
[15:11] <bmc> make sure your house is sturdy if you live in tornado country
[15:11] <Publius> "no god damnit this is their freespeech"
[15:11] <bmc> carry a gun if you live in bear country
[15:11] <`STINGRAY> he wanna cath illegals get some chickens tie em to a poll and see who ste
[15:11] <bmc> wear snake chaps if youre in rattler county
[15:11] <`STINGRAY> luine yep
[15:11] <bmc> country*
[15:11] <bmc> its called common sense
[15:11] <bmc> something lacking in america today
[15:12] <Publius> bullhonkey
[15:12] <Nohman> due to liberals
[15:12] <Lupine> bmc: yea, there are supposed to be a few bears around here. but not many
[15:12] <positvepi> america has really gone down hill since the 90's
[15:12] <`426Hemi> that teacher should use his time to teach rather than sue kids for pranks
[15:12] <positvepi> society
[15:12] <`426Hemi> good god
[15:12] <Publius> go outside
[15:12] <Publius> and ask your neighbor
[15:12] <Publius> a question
[15:12] <Nohman> liberals are against common sense and for political correctness
[15:12] <Publius> about anythign
[15:12] <bmc> Publius talk is cheap
[15:12] <positvepi> the average american teen probably couldnt show you on a map where washin
[15:12] <bmc> their actions speak volumes
[15:12] <Nohman> I could
[15:12] <Publius> positivepi: I could
[15:12] <Publius> WHY DONJT THEY POLL ME
[15:12] <positvepi> good
[15:12] <bmc> i can not only show you on a map
[15:13] <Publius> I could probably tell the elitist SOB's more about Raq
[15:13] <Publius> Iraq
[15:13] <wiretapp> Washington (dpa) - The separation between the ancestors of modern humans a
[15:13] <wiretapp> to be published Thursday online by the magazine Nature.
[15:13] <bmc> i can but you in my car and drive you there with no map!
[15:13] <Publius> than they know
[15:13] <wiretapp> ewww
[15:13] <bmc> put*
[15:13] <Lupine> Of course, ask the average person in 1990 how to code HTML...
[15:13] <Publius> Lupine: I couldn't do it now
[15:13] <bi0h4z4r_> anyone besides me seeing THE DA VINCI CODE tomorrow?
[15:13] <Lupine> wiretape: hence, it explains why east german women are so damn hairy
[15:13] <bmc> i can name every state in america also
[15:13] <bmc> :P
[15:14] <`426Hemi> god who wants to see an overweight tom hanks who needs a couple of Palati
[15:14] * Lupine lives in the state of denial
[15:14] <Publius> '426Hemi: I do
[15:14] <Publius> damnit
[15:14] <Publius> the book kicked arse
[15:14] <Publius> so did angels and demons
[15:14] <bmc> the movie has gotten poor reviews
[15:15] <`STINGRAY> nah lupine and pub went to see brokeback mountain and gave it 2 bums up
[15:15] * `426Hemi waits for XMen3
[15:15] <Publius> STING's dream life is like notting hill..do meet a single british gent and
[15:15] <panini`> bi0h4z4r_, i heard the movie is bad
[15:15] <`STINGRAY> xmen3? staring curley larry moe?
[15:15] <bi0h4z4r_> bad?
[15:15] <Publius> to*
[15:15] <panini`> doesn't live up to the hype
[15:15] <bi0h4z4r_> oh well, I'll still see it
[15:15] <bi0h4z4r_> book was AWESOME
[15:15] <`STINGRAY> pinini heya
[15:15] <blaaz> is picard in the new xmen?
[15:16] <CryArvach> Stingray is an Xman...he is "Smother"
[15:16] <panini`> hey sting
[15:16] * Publius bonks STING
[15:16] <`STINGRAY> panini oops
[15:16] <Publius> I insulted YOU!
[15:16] * wiretapp has mutant powers
[15:16] <CryArvach> blaaz...you bet
[15:16] <`STINGRAY> pub hahaha
[15:16] <bmc> i cant get into movies
[15:16] <blaaz> sweet
[15:16] <Lupine> stingray's had his ass pounded so much, he doesn't notice it when he sits on
[15:16] <CryArvach> Stewart is the perfect Xavier
[15:16] <Publius> HAHAHAH
[15:16] * bmc is a fan of realism
[15:16] <`STINGRAY> lol
[15:16] <panini`> cry yes he is
[15:16] <panini`> and =mckellen is decent as magneto
[15:16] <`STINGRAY> lupine watches xeina homo warrior
[15:16] <bmc> i cant get into fantasy, like space age shit, futuristic stuff
[15:17] <CryArvach> and of course...all three of Halle Berry are nice to see
[15:17] <Publius> Cry: I have said it once and I will say it again
[15:17] <Lupine> stingray's had his ass pounded so much.. when he's in NY, all the cabbies tr
[15:17] <Publius> Jean Luc Picard was the best thing to happen to France since Napolean
[15:17] <wiretapp> bmc sci-fi and fantasy far different genres
[15:17] <`STINGRAY> pub watches gay star wars staring burithe vader
[15:17] <CryArvach> but they did right in making most all the others relative unknowns
[15:17] <CryArvach> Publius..lol
[15:17] <panini`> patrick stewart was trained as a shakespearean actor
[15:17] <bmc> wiretapp fantasy is anything other than reality
[15:17] <Publius> STING: don't you dare hate on da warz
[15:17] <CryArvach> Patrick Stewart is a Brit...
[15:17] <`STINGRAY> lol
[15:17] <panini`> he successfully made the crossover to cheesy scifi
[15:17] <bmc> if its not even remotely possible
[15:17] <wiretapp> bmc i'm talking about the genre not the definition
[15:17] <bmc> i dont want to see it
[15:17] <`STINGRAY> never hoyed of them
[15:17] <CryArvach> and he was a Shakespearan Actor long before TNG
[15:18] * Publius did not say Patty Stew
[15:18] <Publius> Jean Luc Picard is clearly realy
[15:18] <wiretapp> i like fantasy and sci-fi
[15:18] * Publius looks around
[15:18] <wiretapp> x-men is fantasy
[15:18] * Publius sweats
[15:18] <Lupine> cry: thank god he put his talents to work in such a demanding roll... lol
[15:18] <CryArvach> there was a movie he was in with Mel Gibson...where Stewart was the bad g
[15:18] <bmc> sci-fi science-fiction
[15:18] <bmc> xmen isnt science fiction?
[15:18] <panini`> even in TNG picard displays no french qualities
[15:18] <CryArvach> Lupine..his role on TNG was demanding
[15:18] <wiretapp> bmc no
[15:19] <Publius> panini: De Gaulle
[15:19] <wiretapp> not imo
[15:19] <panini`> he's a pure brit nobleman, even drinking earl grey tea
[15:19] <CryArvach> the Riker character.....a furry Cock
[15:19] <Publius> Riker was the american
[15:19] <bmc> but war of the worlds is sci-fi?
[15:19] <IamKing> wiretapp: yes, X-Men is sci-fi
[15:19] <CryArvach> yes... a Captain Cock Clone
[15:19] <wiretapp> bmc they would have to offer a much better explanation for the superpowers
[15:19] <Publius> CryArvach: *pushes*
[15:19] <Publius> what do you know about WILL
[15:19] <CryArvach> X men is SciFi
[15:19] <IamKing> wiretapp: well, Beast will be in X-Men 3 :P
[15:20] <wiretapp> no x-men is about magic
[15:20] <IamKing> so maybe he can explain it to you during the fucking movie
[15:20] <wiretapp> not about science
[15:20] <Lupine> Iamking: ooooo yea.. you are all INTO the beast, eh?
[15:20] <Publius> IamKing: LOL
[15:20] <bmc> it is science
[15:20] <CryArvach> decent Sci Fi usually extrapolates from a plausible premise
[15:20] <IamKing> wiretapp: no, it's not
[15:20] <bmc> the xmen were created
[15:20] * Publius declares NERD WARRRRR
[15:20] <wiretapp> there is no scientific way a chromozome could make you defy gravity
[15:20] <bmc> dont tell me i read the comics and tv show before it was a movie!
[15:20] <IamKing> Lupine: did you know that Beast will be played by Kelsey Gramer? (sp?)
[15:20] <CryArvach> Plausible premise: A gene Mutation
[15:20] <bmc> wiretapp thats why its fiction
[15:20] <wiretapp> not plausible
[15:20] <Lupine> wiretapp: there is no scientific way to achieve warpspeed
[15:20] <wiretapp> a gene mutation could give you a 6th toe
[15:20] <IamKing> wiretapp: neither is warp technology
[15:20] <wiretapp> not the ability to fly
[15:20] <Lupine> iam: are you serious? bwahahahahhaa
[15:21] <Publius> IamKing: thats what they think
[15:21] <CryArvach> not plausible in any way f which we know of yet
[15:21] * Publius will invent the warp engine
[15:21] <Lupine> cry: right, but the same applies to Xman as well
[15:21] <IamKing> wiretapp: just because YOU don't think it's plausible does not make the su
[15:21] <bmc> no way, we need wormhole portals
[15:21] <CryArvach> the idiot Savant is a gene mutation
[15:21] <IamKing> wiretapp: what YOU think is totally irrelevant in the matter
[15:21] <bmc> we can arrive 10 years before we even left!
[15:21] <wiretapp> IamKing i sai "imo"
[15:21] <IamKing> wiretapp: like I said, your opinion = jack shit
[15:21] <CryArvach> we need the matter replicator...and the transporter
[15:22] <CryArvach> those two items alone would bring world peace
[15:22] <Publius> ThomasWT...is kind of liek a Savant
[15:22] <wiretapp> iamking then why are you wasting your time arguing about it
[15:22] <CryArvach> ThomasWT....I still am not suew hee is not from Beta Reticula
[15:22] <`STINGRAY> oh geez pelosi is accusing the military for killin innocnet people, hmm w
[15:22] <bmc> CryArvach any technology created for peaceful purposes will be used for evil, t
[15:22] <IamKing> Lupine: yeah, I thought Kelsey Grammer would make a great "Beast" characte
[15:22] <Publius> CryArvach: more likely from some weird m class world in the delta
[15:22] <IamKing> wiretapp: because YOU are simply WRONG
[15:22] <CryArvach> bmc...they had restraints on both of those devices...
[15:22] <IamKing> wiretapp: and I am here to set the record straight
[15:22] <Publius> he does have a damn good understanding of islam
[15:22] <Publius> and the names
[15:22] <wiretapp> I'm wrong about what my opinion is?
[15:22] <`STINGRAY> where is she and murtha when they kill innocent people
[15:22] <Publius> and history
[15:23] <bmc> we can look at every invention known to man
[15:23] <bmc> electricity for example
[15:23] <CryArvach> but the fact is..if people have whatever they want...
[15:23] <IamKing> wiretapp: yes
[15:23] <bmc> electric-chair
[15:23] <wiretapp> so you know better than I what my opinion is?
[15:23] <CryArvach> it puts one hell of a damper on revolution
[15:23] <bmc> anti-matter weapons will bring world peace
[15:23] <bmc> cause it will destroy all human life on earth
[15:23] <IamKing> Lupine: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0376994/Ss/0376994/staging11.jpg?p
[15:23] <wiretapp> how is x-men magic powers any different than merlins magic powers
[15:23] <CryArvach> an endless water supply would bring world peace
[15:23] <bmc> merlin was a real person
[15:23] <bmc> and he didnt have magical powers
[15:24] <wiretapp> lol
[15:24] * Publius will bring world peace. enough said.
[15:24] <CryArvach> wiretapp..... the X-Man emerged from a scientifically plausible premise
[15:24] <IamKing> wiretapp: doesn't matter...if the author of the material says that it's ba
[15:24] <Necrosan> MERLIN is plausible
[15:24] <bmc> merlin existed!
[15:24] <CryArvach> depends what wersion of Merlin you accept
[15:24] * Lupine will destroy the world with two free planets, aka the Nutcracker
[15:24] <CryArvach> I liked th recent King Arthur Movie
[15:25] <Nohman> Merlin the magician?
[15:25] <bmc> plenty of "warlocks" and "wizards" in medieval times
[15:25] <bmc> none of them had magic powers
[15:25] <CryArvach> bmc..uh huh
[15:25] <CryArvach> also plenty of graven ignorance
[15:26] <Nohman> What do you call someone who has sex with animals?
[15:26] <bmc> disgusting?
[15:26] <CryArvach> Dutch?
[15:26] <bmc> repulsive?
[15:26] <CryArvach> deprived
[15:26] <bmc> perverse
[15:26] <CryArvach> but at least they are not creating offspring
[15:26] <Nohman> Well, Merlin never had any women around him, only those animals, so I'm thin
[15:26] <CryArvach> He would be able to say i am celibate
[15:27] * Lupine positions an inertialess planet with an intrinsic velocity of v=.999c just right t
[15:27] <CryArvach> minus the smoking orifices of the animals
[15:27] <bmc> Ambrosius Aurelianus < Merlin
[15:28] <bmc> king arthur etc,etc
[15:28] <AAAman> Dick Cheney is in your apartment now
[15:28] <Nohman> King Arthur is plain fiction
[15:29] <bmc> "folklore"
[15:29] <AAAman> instrusions into American private life
[15:29] <Nohman> British Folklore
[15:29] <Nohman> British Pop Culture
[15:29] <AAAman> This is seeking out terrorist activity is a post-September-11 world
[15:29] <bmc> http://www.britannia.com/history/biographies/ambros.html
[15:29] <bmc> there it is
[15:30] <Publius> The house passed the 2.8 trillion dollar fy 07 budget today
[15:30] <Publius> good lawd
[15:30] <Nohman> lama
[15:30] <gloriae> fy?
[15:30] <gloriae> for year?
[15:30] <AAAman> Bush is now on the border, for two hours
[15:30] <Publius> 07
[15:30] <Publius> 2007
[15:30] <bmc> fiscal year
[15:31] <bmc> :P
[15:31] <bmc> and im the one who didnt graduate
[15:31] <Publius> 2.8 trillion...that is a BEAT
[15:31] <Publius> BEAST
[15:31] <Publius> lol
[15:32] <Publius> our GDP was 12,410,000,000,000 buckaroos
[15:32] <panini`> haha Bush went to Yuma
[15:32] <Publius> so bout 23%
[15:32] <Publius> that ain't bad
[15:32] <AAAman> Publius -- That is part of the problem
[15:32] <ISRAELI_> Hi all
[15:32] <Lupine> what is scary is, nasa only gets ~16.5 billion out of that huge budget
[15:32] <AAAman> Publius -- Govt spending more than ever
[15:33] <Publius> government has more than ever
[15:33] <bmc> Lupine thats scary?
[15:33] <Publius> but I don't care
[15:33] <bmc> what does the EPA get?
[15:33] <Publius> I like Bush's spending
[15:33] <Publius> he knwos what he is doing
[15:33] <AAAman> Publius -- Better Bush spends then you spend
[15:33] <panini`> I've been to yuma many times, it's the place where the most mexicans cross
[15:33] <Publius> the best is when we both do
[15:33] <Publius> as in
[15:33] <gloriae> Yuma, Arizona?
[15:33] <Publius> I stimulate the economy
[15:33] <Publius> he doesn't tax me..but still spends the money to get done
[15:33] <Publius> I mean
[15:33] <Publius> doesn't tax me more than before
[15:33] <AAAman> Nothing like inflation and mortgaging the future
[15:34] <Publius> inflation is fine
[15:34] <bmc> AAAman hey we wont be here to pay for it
[15:34] <Publius> I think i read it was at what
[15:34] <Publius> 3.8 percent
[15:34] <AAAman> Infation is so good that stock market is rising as we speak
[15:34] <Lupine> bmc: what I mean is.. the nasa budget launches countless satellites, the int
[15:34] <Publius> I thought the DJ dropped today
[15:34] <Lupine> and then look at all the waste in the budget that doesn jack shit
[15:34] <bmc> nasa is a moneypit
[15:35] <panini`> at least we get something worthwhile out of nasa
[15:35] <bmc> such as?
[15:35] <Lupine> its not like it is a massive bridge for 50 people
[15:35] <Publius> Dubya has increased funding
[15:35] <Lupine> jesus, are you that ignorant? everything from computer technology, to velc
[15:35] <Publius> I think I recall one year Klinton made the budget like
[15:35] <Publius> 3 bill
[15:35] <Publius> or is that simply false
[15:35] <Publius> lol
[15:36] <panini`> bmc: *science*
[15:36] <bmc> Lupine computer technology is implemented by nase, not created by it, show me s
[15:36] <bmc> nasa*
[15:36] <panini`> not to mention, really cool space pics
[15:36] <Nohman> Klinton from Klingon
[15:36] <AAAman> Clinton is no longer president
[15:36] <Publius> Lupine: did Clinton cut funds from NASA?
[15:36] <Publius> in order to break down "star wars"
[15:36] <Publius> and what not?
[15:36] * Lupine makes a mental note.. bmc is even more ignorant than even suspected
[15:37] <Publius> I'm not attacking him
[15:37] <AAAman> Bush problems have to be blamed on Clinton
[15:37] <bmc> weve had this discussion before
[15:37] <Publius> I am not freakin attacking him
[15:37] <Publius> or blaming anyone
[15:37] <bmc> and half the shit people say nasa created is nonsense
[15:37] <Publius> for anythign
[15:37] <bmc> show me a nasa invention, something unrelated to space travel
[15:37] <_3Josephs> the problem with "star wars" is that the empire might strike back ;-)
[15:38] <Publius> but we will of course be saved by the return of the republicans
[15:38] <Publius> ;)
[15:38] <AAAman> We will be saved by the GOP from solvency
[15:38] <bigglesro> republicans are the empire, if you remember the republic turned into the
[15:39] <bmc> ear thermometer?
[15:39] <bmc> haha
[15:39] <bmc> omg lets all bow to nasa
[15:39] <Publius> wtf are you ranting about
[15:39] <bmc> sun tiger classes
[15:39] <bigglesro> so who are the jedi?
[15:39] <bmc> these are inventions nasa itself claims
[15:39] <Necrosan> OK, hot date tonight.
[15:39] <bmc> nasa claims it invented cordless tools....
[15:39] <Necrosan> I need to trim the old beard.
[15:39] <bmc> thermal gloves and boots
[15:40] <bmc> nasa create thinsulate?
[15:40] <bmc> they created "astronaught blankets"
[15:40] <AAAman> Say it is not true Mertha -- Pentagon report said to find killing of Iraqi c
[15:40] <bmc> invisible braces
[15:40] <bmc> theyre claiming "spinoffs" of most everything
[15:41] <bmc> joystick controllers
[15:41] <bmc> nasa created those... nobody else
[15:41] <bmc> not the russians who were in space first
[15:41] <bmc> nobody else ever thought of a joystick in the history of mankind
[15:41] <_3Josephs> nasa did a huge amount of basic research in the 1960's - which led to all
[15:42] <bmc> this is their description for the ski boot spinoff
[15:42] <Red_Barch> Lol, some guy walked into a local Dallas high school dressed as an Eagle
[15:42] <bmc> These ski boots use accordion-like folds, similar to the design of space suits,
[15:42] <bmc> yes my god, this was not possible without nasa
[15:42] <bmc> this "accordion" design
[15:42] <bmc> a stroke of genius only nasa researchers could ever imagine
[15:43] <bigglesro> bmc: wrong, man has always played with his dick and wished their was a co
[15:43] <bmc> :P
[15:43] <_3Josephs> nasa was creating joy sticks when computers barely fit into a room
[15:44] <bigglesro> the joystick was invented by a constand masterbattor at nasa
[15:44] <bmc> These gloves and boots have heating elements that run on rechargeable batteries
[15:44] <bmc> i hate those things
[15:44] <bmc> after a few wears you start to get a small charge from the wires
[15:44] <bmc> :P
[15:45] <bmc> Failsafe Flashlight
[15:45] <bmc> i KNOW nasa didnt create that
[15:45] <bmc> there is some principle that allows motion to create energy for stuff like that
[15:45] <bmc> there is a flashlight being advertised on tv using this principle
[15:46] <bmc> their "failsafe" flashlight
[15:46] <bmc> lithium batter and a backup bulb
[15:46] <bmc> :P
[15:46] <bmc> edible toothpaste
[15:47] <Red_Barch> Do you know the Muffin Man, the Muffin Man, the Muffin Man?
[15:47] <bmc> wtf is that princple called?
[15:47] <_3Josephs> and most importantly ... nasa invented .... Tang!
[15:47] <bmc> where you just shake the flashlight back and forth
[15:47] <bmc> and this metal piece inside moving creates energy
[15:48] <AAAman> bmc -- That idea is over a hundred years old
[15:48] <bmc> not the same as nasas, but thats what i thought from 'failsafe' flashlight
[15:48] <Red_Barch> _3Josephs: Me in front of NASA's 40 ft. vacuum chamber ;)
[15:48] <Red_Barch> http://www.challenge-tv.com/hosted/chris/nasa/pics/Picture_200.jpg
[15:48] <bmc> theres still uses batteries, just has a backup system
[15:48] <AAAman> In fact it was discovered by Faraday about 150 years ago
[15:48] <bmc> AAAman yes, but whats it called?
[15:49] <AAAman> Faraday generator
[15:49] <bmc> no the principle itself
[15:49] <bmc> something principle of electro or thermo something or such
[15:50] <AAAman> When you break a magentic field , a current is generated. This is ancient
[15:50] <bmc> yes, but they describe it, attribute to someone
[15:50] <bmc> <someones> princple of <something>
[15:50] <bmc> :P
[15:51] <AAAman> It is the same as a hand crank generator
[15:51] <bmc> cant you just answer me!
[15:52] <AAAman> Faraday Flashlight - AsSeenOnTV.com Official Site
[15:52] <AAAman> bmc -- do your own research
[15:52] <bmc> you already knew the answer
[15:52] <bmc> there was no reasearch involved
[15:53] <bmc> Faraday Principle of Electromagnetic Energy
[15:53] <bmc> :P
[15:53] <blaaz> faraday flashlight is a joke
[15:53] <Red_Barch> Or how about this one? 70,000 empty beer cans found in one guy's townhome
[15:54] <bmc> http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6729744.html
[15:54] <wiretapp> that guy could have got paid at the recyling place
[15:54] <blaaz> thats like 7,000$
[15:54] <bmc> didnt he?
[15:55] <bmc> aluminum cans are over $0.60/lb now
[15:55] <bmc> good to save them
[15:55] <Red_Barch> dude thats like up to his waist in beer cans heh
[15:55] <blaaz> his house probaly smells like total shit
[15:55] <bmc> wonder how many cans it takes to make a lb
[15:56] <bmc> half a trash bag?
[15:56] <bmc> that feels about right
[15:56] <bmc> 70k cans is probably a good bit of weight
[15:57] <bmc> at $0.50+/lb
[15:57] <blaaz> 700 bucks
[15:57] <blaaz> 1 cent per can
[15:57] <ballsdee> sup niggs??
[15:57] <bmc> 1400 lbs?
[15:57] <bmc> dude has almost a ton of cans?
[15:58] <bmc> is that right? :P
[15:58] <bmc> 700 bucks $0.50/lb
[15:58] <ballsdee> where my niggs at
[15:58] <zoro> gola
[15:58] <zoro> copmoestas
[15:59] <zoro> tehamo
[16:00] <zoro> pinga
[16:04] <pilgrim`> money....
[16:04] <pilgrim`> never enough
[16:06] <Publius> money is lame
[16:06] <CryArvach> ballsdd....
[16:07] <CryArvach> nothing fresh about them
[16:07] <panini`> money... sweeter than honey
[16:07] <CryArvach> Money can't buy you everything...but it sure as hell gives you choices
[16:07] <CryArvach> has learned that much
[16:07] <`STINGRAY> money can by cry a new face
[16:08] <panini`> you can't buy love... but you can rent it!
[16:08] <Swigert> Hey
[16:08] <CryArvach> money can buy Sting a real Dick
[16:08] <Swigert> Anyone see me?
[16:08] <CryArvach> Swiggy
[16:08] <Swigert> hey cry
[16:08] <`STINGRAY> you cant by slaves but ya can rent them yep hertz renata slave
[16:08] <Publius> Swigert E. Lee
[16:08] <`STINGRAY> swiggy heya
[16:08] <panini`> money can buy Swigert a RealDoll (tm)
[16:08] <CryArvach> you maling Molotovs fron Lord Calvert yet?
[16:08] <Swigert> hopefully I don't drop again - using wireless
[16:08] <`STINGRAY> lol
[16:08] <Swigert> hey sting - I'm in the USA today
[16:08] <Swigert> panini: uh, no
[16:08] <`STINGRAY> swig cool in dc
[16:08] <Swigert> Publius T. Sherman
[16:08] <CryArvach> those prob are only weapons Canadians have...
[16:08] <Publius> Swigert; we haave had some intense civil war debates the past day
[16:08] <Publius> ya missed out
[16:08] <Swigert> stingray: Morgantown, WV
[16:08] <CryArvach> oh..and 3.5 guns
[16:09] <Swigert> pub: sorry
[16:09] <`STINGRAY> swig cool
[16:09] <Swigert> 3.5?
[16:09] <pilgrim`> I have a far side ont he wall: "His freidns told him money could not buy h
[16:09] <CryArvach> yah
[16:09] <Publius> Swigert: answer this for me please...why did the south secede and why did l
[16:09] <CryArvach> one of the guns they have is a .38 Saturday Night Special
[16:09] <Necrosan> Aleister Crowley, pilgrim`?
[16:09] <`STINGRAY> i am a psychic i predict lincoln will be shot at the theater
[16:09] <CryArvach> 1 of 3 rounds fires
[16:09] <pilgrim`> Publius Linclon like grits and greens
[16:09] <Swigert> pub: slavery and Lincoln invaded to enforce the Constitution
[16:09] <CryArvach> Swigert Publius is PubLinder
[16:09] * Publius grins
[16:09] <CryArvach> and I am CryBoortz...
[16:10] <bmc> money can buy happiness
[16:10] <bmc> i am convinced of it
[16:10] <Publius> Swigert: just wanted to check out my opinion with the soon to be civil war
[16:10] * _3Joes is now known as _3Josephs
[16:10] <CryArvach> the fairtax will make recessions a memory
[16:10] <pilgrim`> Alister Crowley/ he was quite holy/ what did dear Alister do?/ he made his
[16:10] <Swigert> pub: thanks
[16:10] <CryArvach> gigglez
[16:10] <Necrosan> haha
[16:10] <IamKing> bwahahahahah...my RINO US Senator Specter said "good riddance" after that e
[16:10] <Publius> Swigert: you wouldn't believe the revisionism I get
[16:10] <Publius> at school
[16:10] <Publius> and by arch conservatives
[16:10] <Publius> heh
[16:10] <bmc> lincoln invaded to save the union
[16:10] <bmc> he said it himself
[16:11] <IamKing> not just conservatives...ARCH conservatives!
[16:11] <Swigert> pub: try me
[16:11] <CryArvach> IamKing that is not the US Governments business
[16:11] <pilgrim`> Necrosan I haev some rather rare Crowley works in my colelction
[16:11] <bmc> and if he couldve saved the union without freeing a single slave
[16:11] <IamKing> CryArvach: sure it is
[16:11] <CryArvach> they should pass one voiding XVI
[16:11] <bmc> he would have done it....
[16:11] <IamKing> CryArvach: you effete libertarian weenie
[16:11] <CryArvach> nope
[16:11] <bmc> his own words
[16:11] <IamKing> :P :D
[16:11] <CryArvach> it is a matter that is up to the States
[16:11] <Necrosan> pilgrim`: Anything interesting?
[16:11] <CryArvach> IamKing ..royalist Pukestocking
[16:12] <Publius> Swigert: Lincoln violated the constitution, slavery was not the reason( i u
[16:12] <Swigert> pub: standard Southern view - slavery WAS the reason
[16:12] <pilgrim`> such as a hand bound copy of notes from his NY classses, some vanity press
[16:12] <CryArvach> Lincoln imprisoned people without just cause
[16:12] <bmc> if slavery were the reason, why did they secede before slavery was illegal?
[16:12] <AAAman> Publius -- States signed on to the Const.
[16:12] <Swigert> Lincoln did stretch the law quite a bit - but under the circumstances he wa
[16:12] <pilgrim`> 8.5X11
[16:12] <CryArvach> No he was not
[16:12] <Swigert> bmc: because they wanted to protect it
[16:13] <bmc> when lincoln said right in his inaugural address he had no intention of interfe
[16:13] <pilgrim`> necrosan I am a collector...of many things
[16:13] <CryArvach> he imprisoned people BEFORE Fort Sumter
[16:13] <bmc> he said outright
[16:13] <CryArvach> what pilgrim said
[16:13] <bmc> "i dont beleive i have any legal right to do so"
[16:13] <AAAman> Lincoln actually was not against slavery, but the extension of slavery
[16:13] <Necrosan> pilgrim`: send me the hand copied notes.. those sound neat! :)
[16:13] <CryArvach> the Sorriento Music box is beautiful
[16:13] <bmc> Grant said outright
[16:13] <bmc> if he thought the war was over slavery
[16:13] <pilgrim`> Necorsan I do not think so
[16:13] <Swigert> bmc: and he didn't 0 Lincoln was not an abolitionist; but the extreme seces
[16:13] <bmc> he would surrender his sword to the other side
[16:13] <bmc> ^
[16:13] <Publius> enslaving a man against his will burned lincoln to his very core
[16:13] <AAAman> Lincoln was willing to allow slavery where it existed, but would not allow t
[16:13] <bmc> grants words
[16:14] <Publius> that was the anti-abe
[16:14] <CryArvach> the war was over economics
[16:14] <Swigert> aaaman: correct - the Free Soil agenda
[16:14] <CryArvach> and The Constitution
[16:14] <pilgrim`> I also have a recording of him doung the ceremony of the Aethyrs. and Isr
[16:14] <bmc> Swigert if it were over slavery, the original 13th amendment would have been pa
[16:14] <AAAman> South even gave up the States Right argument before the Civil War
[16:14] <bmc> which guaranteed slavery in the states where it existed
[16:14] <ISRAELI_> http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0506/0506-51state.htm
[16:14] <bmc> for time immorial(sp?)
[16:14] <AAAman> South knew States Rights was bogus
[16:14] <CryArvach> pilgrim I lean more towards Brass, Sterling Silver and Reuge /equiv Music
[16:14] <pilgrim`> if such strikes fancy, I also have some older esoteric works
[16:15] <Swigert> bmc: but it was
[16:15] <CryArvach> immemorial
[16:15] <Lupine> pilgrim: on the flipside.. i came across the video of the Sadat assassinatio
[16:15] <AAAman> You cannot use State Rights, for even the Sourth discarded this one
[16:15] <pilgrim`> Cry ever see the Rathbone Sherlock Holmes about music boxes?
[16:15] <CryArvach> Lupine...yep
[16:15] <CryArvach> And some still think Mubarak was behind it
[16:15] <pilgrim`> Lupine the parade? yeah TV cameras were out and everything
[16:15] <CryArvach> pilgrim..not offhand
[16:16] <Swigert> from my own research, Southerners believed that Northern invaders (started
[16:16] <Necrosan> pilgrim`: wow, that stuff probably is worth $$
[16:16] <CryArvach> John Brown's Body is a rotting in the grave...
[16:16] <pilgrim`> Cry Nigel Bruce plays Watson. its about a clue hidden int eh tuen some bo
[16:16] <Swigert> John Brown = one nasty dude
[16:16] <Lupine> pilgrim: also found a video of a guy I once see fly at a show.. he is, well
[16:16] <Lupine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE
[16:16] <CryArvach> I snag the Music boxes...because I know I can resell them
[16:17] <pilgrim`> interesting; there is a box collector as one character. and several rare
[16:17] <Swigert> but in WV, the slaveowners dominated the local politics; they supported sec
[16:17] <AAAman> John Brown was the extremist of his day
[16:17] <bmc> Had it been ratified by the requisite number of states before the war intervene
[16:17] <pilgrim`> Brown was a certifiable nut
[16:17] <bmc> With slavery not being their reason for leaving the Union, the Southern States
[16:17] <pilgrim`> Lupine did you see http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-17436
[16:18] <Lupine> pil: that the foam-test? yea
[16:18] <pilgrim`> yeah
[16:18] <AAAman> bmc -- Slavery would have died a more natuaral death if the South had not se
[16:18] <bmc> "If the South had only wanted to protect slavery, all they had to do was go alo
[16:18] <pilgrim`> funny
[16:18] <bmc> The States of the Confederacy, even today, could block the passage of the 13th
[16:18] <CryArvach> hrmm a Drooltube posting that actually was not twaddle
[16:19] <CryArvach> Slavery's end was also an inevitablilty
[16:19] <pilgrim`> it ad become too costly actually
[16:19] <CryArvach> Once you leave an agrarian based economy, slavery is no longer useful
[16:19] <pilgrim`> look at the New Orleans price of slaves or Chatanoga
[16:19] <IamKing> CryArvach: slaves are good in factories :P
[16:19] <AAAman> South knew North would gain the upper hand if they stayed in the Union
[16:19] <CryArvach> England did not free its slaves out of the goodness of its heart at all..
[16:20] <pilgrim`> IamKing slaves are not as good as "free men" -free to starve
[16:20] <CryArvach> they were rapidly industrializing...
[16:20] <AAAman> CryAvarch -- Why did the south use slaves in factories
[16:20] <plusplusc> Cry: and why was it such an "inevitability"? At least within a foreseeab
[16:20] <bmc> Legal scholar Gene Healy has made a powerful argument in favor of abolishing th
[16:20] <CryArvach> AAAman...slaves were perfect for field hands...
[16:20] <CryArvach> but face it...machines are far more efficient
[16:20] <pilgrim`> I have a colelction of sermons by the Bishop of Chester in the 18th cent t
[16:20] <CryArvach> The Cotton Gin was the shape of things to com
[16:20] <pilgrim`> the Right Hon Biliby Proteus
[16:20] <CryArvach> e
[16:20] <bmc> adams advocates abolishing slavery long before lincoln
[16:21] <AAAman> CryArvach -- They were also used infactories where cotton was replaced
[16:21] * Publius totally stirred up this debate
[16:21] <Publius> ;)
[16:21] <bmc> john adams
[16:21] <pilgrim`> this was 1767
[16:21] <Publius> bwahahahaha
[16:21] <CryArvach> AAAman....industrialization requires skilled and semi-skilled workers
[16:21] <AAAman> CryArvach -- slaves were not that dumb, sorry
[16:21] <pilgrim`> today; if your hi tech job is automated, you are SOL. ask any mainframe c
[16:22] <CryArvach> The North had no shortage of that sort
[16:22] <plusplusc> The south de facto replaced slavery with virtual serfdom, in the form of
[16:22] <CryArvach> AAAman wanna bet?
[16:22] <CryArvach> why did they hang slaves who learned how to read?
[16:22] <AAAman> CryArvach -- Wanna bet slaves were used in factories
[16:22] <Publius> Swigert: imo, one of the most interesting aspects of the civil war is Gener
[16:22] <CryArvach> Share Cropping
[16:22] <CryArvach> I never said they were not....
[16:22] <plusplusc> Cry: yes, share cropping
[16:22] <CryArvach> but educated slaves are trouble
[16:23] <Publius> ship em to monrovia
[16:23] <AAAman> factory work was not technical back then as it is now
[16:23] <Swigert> Pub: Sherman was a genius
[16:23] <Swigert> aaaman: they certainly were
[16:23] <bmc> slavery was not abolished in the north until 1865
[16:23] <CryArvach> AAAman a lot of it was
[16:23] <CryArvach> Proclamation of 1863
[16:23] <Swigert> bmc: state laws had eliminated it in all but NJ by 1861
[16:23] <CryArvach> bmc.....wrong
[16:23] <bmc> the emmancipation only freed slaves in rebelling states
[16:24] <AAAman> Swigert -- In iron production, it was not; machining , yes
[16:24] <Publius> Swigert: I recently found out that he had lived in the south
[16:24] <plusplusc> the town and county where I grew up in southeastern North Carolina was st
[16:24] <CryArvach> they had Share Cropping and Jim Crow and the Poll Tax though
[16:24] <Publius> and left to fight with the north
[16:24] <Publius> so he could save his beloved Georgia
[16:24] <Publius> and ect
[16:24] <AAAman> Slaves were considered to be valuable and were not used in dangerous occupat
[16:24] <Swigert> aaaman: salt production too
[16:25] <bmc> Swigert 1864 for maryland it seems
[16:25] <Publius> Swigert; I dramtacized that a bit
[16:25] * CryArvach Neil Young - Southern Man.mp3
[16:25] <Swigert> bmc: Maryland was a Southern state
[16:25] <AAAman> Slaves were not used in mining as it was too dangerous
[16:25] <Swigert> aaaman: they were limitedly in WV
[16:25] <CryArvach> South did not have much mining going on AAAman
[16:25] * Publius pokes Swigert...Sherman damnit
[16:25] <Publius> hehe
[16:26] <AAAman> Rather, Irish were typically used in mining
[16:26] <CryArvach> in the North
[16:26] <Publius> sorry sorry..I'm impatient
[16:26] <CryArvach> you bet
[16:26] <bmc> By design, the constitution disenfranchised those Marylanders who had left the
[16:26] <plusplusc> The only thing that folks "mined" in the south was their own biddness ;=)
[16:26] <CryArvach> the Irish were the whipping boys when they came over
[16:26] <AAAman> South had coal and iron mines
[16:26] <Publius> Cry: and then Jackson whipped back
[16:26] <Publius> ;)
[16:26] <CryArvach> where AAAman?
[16:26] <bmc> Furthermore, the influence of the small counties which had large slave populati
[16:26] <Swigert> aaaman: yes you are right there - in Kanawha County, Va (Now WV) the Irish
[16:27] <AAAman> Virginia has coal mines in what became West Virginia
[16:27] <CryArvach> West Virginia was a Civil War State...as was NV
[16:27] <bmc> The franchise was restricted to "white" males. Additionally, the Maryland legis
[16:27] <CryArvach> that was West Virginia...not the south
[16:27] <Swigert> not as much as they later have - mining coal was there more for feeding the
[16:27] <Swigert> WV = the South
[16:27] <CryArvach> not part of SE
[16:28] <Swigert> still S
[16:28] <bmc> not really
[16:28] <CryArvach> not when it bacame West Virginia
[16:28] <Swigert> NV was formed because Lincoln needed 2 Republican senators
[16:28] <bmc> further north than MD isnt it?
[16:28] <bmc> the panhandle
[16:28] <CryArvach> WV and NV were war states
[16:28] <AAAman> I suppose Alabama must have some iron mines to supply its industry
[16:28] <Swigert> bmc: the furthest point of WV is north of Philadelphia
[16:28] <bmc> CryArvach harpers ferry?
[16:28] <Swigert> bmc: but it reaches further south than RIchmond
[16:28] <CryArvach> AAAman...South did not have diddly shit in Mines
[16:29] <CryArvach> South was mostly agrarian....
[16:29] <bmc> sharpsburg is pretty close to the WV line, btw
[16:29] <Swigert> cry: as was the North
[16:29] <CryArvach> North was mostly industry in the NE and grain in MW
[16:29] <plusplusc> Anyone know why West Virginia has that thin needle of territory sticking
[16:29] <pilgrim`> the North by North East shall rise again!
[16:29] <CryArvach> Swigert..PA was a big coal mine...and later...Oil
[16:30] <Swigert> cry: no - farming still dominated every section of the North - there may ha
[16:30] <CryArvach> I dunno
[16:30] <pilgrim`> WV was cut off as part of the Missouri COmpromise iirc
[16:30] <bmc> lincoln hijacked the maryland legislature though
[16:30] <bmc> they wouldve seceeded
[16:30] <bmc> :P
[16:30] <Swigert> pilgrim: not even close
[16:30] <CryArvach> WV had nothing to do with the MO compromise
[16:30] <pilgrim`> I rememebr it was chopepd off to balance states
[16:30] <AAAman> Much of Spotsylvania County’s early development is attributed to Spotswood’s
[16:30] <pilgrim`> slave/free
[16:30] <CryArvach> WV was a part of VA filled with abolitionists...so it was made into a sta
[16:30] <bmc> they lost MD, they wouldve lost the capital
[16:30] <Fr33Trade> Well Bad news my son got his new computer which had 256mb less ram than i
[16:30] <Swigert> pilgrim: WV was the war-born state
[16:31] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: hahahah
[16:31] <pilgrim`> sort of Baja Uruguay
[16:31] <Swigert> cry: nope - many people here were very dedicated to slavery - trust me I kn
[16:31] <CryArvach> FT...ughhh
[16:31] <bmc> WV was stolen from VA also
[16:31] <bmc> :P
[16:31] <IamKing> you should have got him a new MacBook! :P (replacement to the old iBook l
[16:31] <CryArvach> Swigert..obviously not enough
[16:31] <Fr33Trade> Thats shows you thought it will be slow an cumbersome, it came fast thoug
[16:31] <Swigert> cry: just because they were Unionist didn't mean they were abolitionist
[16:31] <bmc> dude, west virginia is full of racists today
[16:31] <bmc> dont let history fool ya
[16:31] <bmc> go there
[16:32] <IamKing> bmc: and SNAKE DANCERS!
[16:32] <Fr33Trade> Well I dont get upset because they are willing to fix it and correct it,
[16:32] <AAAman> Massive amounts of mineral resources were needed to feed the Confederate war
[16:32] <Fr33Trade> Its going to cost them shipping X 3.
[16:32] <pilgrim`> Free that shows they are used to returns due to "irregularites"
[16:32] <Fr33Trade> For a great machine which was hella cheap.
[16:32] <AAAman> irginia ranked first among all Confederate states in the production of each
[16:32] <Swigert> bmc: I'm already there
[16:33] <CryArvach> http://members.aol.com/jeff560/wv-hist.html
[16:33] <CryArvach> scope entry for 1861
[16:33] <AAAman> South had sufficient mining to fight the Civil War
[16:33] <CryArvach> VA votes to Secede
[16:33] <pilgrim`> Swig I thought the MO comp was rather far ranging. Now Civ War hist is de
[16:33] <Fr33Trade> Pilgrim they are a discount mass seller.. So they of course I am sure hav
[16:33] <bmc> you know you can drive atvs on parts of WV roads, legally
[16:33] <CryArvach> in Wheeling, they Repudiate the Secession
[16:33] <Fr33Trade> Dell and Gateways service is way down.
[16:33] <Fr33Trade> HP right now is the most profitable.
[16:34] <plusplusc> The northern sliver of West Virginia that includes Wheeling (and at its n
[16:34] <bmc> the western counties didnt support secession
[16:34] <pilgrim`> Free service measn Bangalore
[16:34] <Fr33Trade> As far as bang for the buck.
[16:34] <CryArvach> well thats what you get when everyone wants a PC :)
[16:34] <CryArvach> dirt cheap prices
[16:34] <Swigert> pilg: the Missouri Compromise was in 1820 - the line 36'30 extended west; i
[16:34] <Fr33Trade> Well Dell used to get you an american, but they are no smarter than the i
[16:34] <pilgrim`> ah
[16:34] <CryArvach> pilgrim...and TS from India
[16:34] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: I wouldn't get an HP if it was the last computer on earth :P
[16:34] <Fr33Trade> level 2 or 3 then sometimes it makes a difference.
[16:34] <pilgrim`> Swig well I knew you were more an expert int hat area
[16:34] * Lupine thinks the Missouri Boatride was better than the compromise.
[16:34] <CryArvach> Kansas Bloody Kansas
[16:34] <Fr33Trade> Iamking thats completely illogical but its your choice.
[16:34] <pilgrim`> Jose Whales
[16:35] <pilgrim`> wales
[16:35] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: no, it's not illogical...I have an HP laptop that is utter shit
[16:35] <pilgrim`> Cry TS from India...ain't
[16:35] <plusplusc> Swigert: I'll bet you even remember what the "Wilmont Proviso" is off the
[16:35] <AAAman> An amendment allows immigrant workers to apply for permanent residence witho
[16:35] <CryArvach> .me IamKing eyes the HP...goes back to his abacus
[16:35] <pilgrim`> I have a HP laptop that stillrathes great and it was made in 1997
[16:35] <CryArvach> pilgrim...nope
[16:36] <Fr33Trade> AMD with 512 ram media center edition 2005, usb and OHC 1394 ports all ov
[16:36] <CryArvach> I have a lot of Inda-made Brass though :)
[16:36] <CryArvach> I had a used HP Pavillion Desktop......
[16:36] <pilgrim`> I get calls from slaes people who speak such poor english I cannot underst
[16:36] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: which AMD proc specifically?
[16:36] <pilgrim`> Sales?
[16:36] <CryArvach> it ran without a hitch until I gutted it
[16:36] <Fr33Trade> It has a lightscribe DVD RW DL +-
[16:36] <pilgrim`> they must be using the Spam aproach
[16:36] <plusplusc> pilgrim: You may have a laptop that's been great ever since 1997 and is s
[16:36] <Fr33Trade> You couldnt by half the parts loose for what the whole machine cost.
[16:37] <Fr33Trade> The OS alone costs more than the machine..
[16:37] <IamKing> plusplusc: and his name is Bruce!
[16:37] <Fr33Trade> And it came with tons of extra software.
[16:37] <pilgrim`> plus but does she fsck? :)
[16:37] <gppo> fucken cops
[16:37] <gppo> Couple Arrested For Asking For Directions
[16:37] <bmc> In 1861, only nine of the forty-six delegates from the area located in present
[16:37] <IamKing> gppo: were they illegal aliens?
[16:37] <pilgrim`> point
[16:37] <plusplusc> IamKing: SHE won't dance for Bruce unless he bribes her with at least thr
[16:38] <bmc> Almost immediately after the vote to proceed with secession prevailed in the Vi
[16:38] <Lupine> gopp: maybe they were high? drunk?
[16:38] <gppo> IamKing they where white
[16:38] <bmc> Some delegates favored the immediate formation of a new state, while others arg
[16:38] <gppo> not high or drunk
[16:38] <IamKing> gppo: did they spit on the cop while talking with them?
[16:38] <plusplusc> pilgrim: no, she doesn't fdisk. Haven't tried to f-something else with h
[16:38] <Fr33Trade> You know you could gut the DVD and the ram, THE OS and some other goodies
[16:39] <bmc> At the election on May 23, 1861, secession was ratified by a large majority in
[16:39] <gppo> Collins said the couple was released from jail without being charged with anyt
[16:39] <bmc> that happens in this state alot
[16:39] <bmc> maybe the western counties of MD should be admitted into the union as their own
[16:39] <gppo> Collins said police left Kelly's car unlocked and the windows down at the impo
[16:39] <bmc> :P
[16:39] <gppo> Collins said police left Kelly's car unlocked and the windows down at the impo
[16:40] <gppo> IamKing they are an american legal couple, not drunk, not high, just lost
[16:40] <gppo> oh I sugest never to ask a cop again
[16:40] <gppo> what assholes cops are
[16:40] <Fr33Trade> I own a Gateway now, my last was Dell, but for my son this HP is a great
[16:40] <gppo> they don't surive anymore but they do protect themself
[16:40] <Swigert> we have a saying about Toronto cops. Don't bother.
[16:41] <plusplusc> Fr33Trade: The problem with a Dell is that they are highly prone to using
[16:41] <Swigert> obey Toronto laws for one reason: to avoid having them involved in your lif
[16:41] <plusplusc> Fr33Trade: I found this out the hard way.
[16:41] <Swigert> I went to Shanksville, PA yesterday - humbling
[16:41] <bmc> The Virginia General Assembly repealed the act of secession and in 1866 brought
[16:41] <Fr33Trade> ++C. They all seem to have advantages and disadvantages. Ive owned mostly
[16:41] <Lupine> ++C: well, they are designed to minimize build-time.. and usually feature so
[16:42] <Lupine> they're a business computer, they're not designed for some home PC enthusias
[16:42] <bmc> damn
[16:42] <bmc> WV got slammed with all the states debt
[16:42] <bmc> haha
[16:42] <bmc> or so this states
[16:42] <bmc> The issue was finally settled in 1915, when the United States Supreme Court rul
[16:43] <plusplusc> Lupine: Yes, which is fine so long as you are content with whatever whiz-
[16:43] <Fr33Trade> But I have owned all kinds of odd brands which dont exist anymore like NE
[16:43] <Fr33Trade> Some of them were used.
[16:43] <bmc> that was a stupid move for WV
[16:43] <Lupine> ++C: this is no different than any other device really, from televisions to
[16:43] <bmc> look at WV today
[16:43] <bmc> and look at VA today
[16:43] <Fr33Trade> Got my daughter a very nice (Cant remember the brand) used which worked g
[16:43] <plusplusc> Fr33Trade: Dell makes a good product...we're simply talking about the upg
[16:43] <Lupine> those who wish to replace the case, or motherboard of a computer is a tiny t
[16:44] <bmc> WV is a pretty poor state
[16:44] <bmc> VA is a fairly wealthy state
[16:44] <Lupine> and hell, by the time I want a new motherboard, i'll want a new CPU, a new v
[16:44] <Swigert> bmc = wikipedia freak
[16:44] <plusplusc> Lupine: If so, then why are outfits like Tiger Direct doing very briskly
[16:44] <Fr33Trade> ++C, Yeah it depends.. Every system is different. Some were horrible, som
[16:45] <Lupine> ++C: if you are in that market, then dont buy a dell.
[16:45] <bmc> Swigert it was the easiest to find
[16:45] <Pickle> GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian police fought gunbattles in Gaza City on Friday
[16:45] <Lupine> if you like to drop in your own engine into a car, dont by a new ford
[16:45] <bmc> look at this interesting tidbit about WV pop. also
[16:45] <bmc> 94.7% White non-Hispanic
[16:45] <Pickle> The rival deployments followed growing insecurity in Gaza, with at least fiv
[16:45] <bmc> 3.1% Black
[16:45] <gppo> buy apple
[16:45] <bmc> i bet its the "whitest" state in america
[16:45] <gppo> they don't use properity parts
[16:45] <gppo> they use standard motherboards
[16:45] <Pickle> Well, that didn't take long, now that there were no Jews for the Palestinian
[16:46] <gppo> and you can use pci/e devices with them
[16:46] <Lupine> gpoo: hahahahaha.. yea right
[16:46] <plusplusc> Lupine: I like Dell. Next laptop I buy will be a Dell, and I own some of
[16:46] <_3Josephs> bmc, maybe Alaska
[16:46] <Fr33Trade> I guess they are all going to DEP 2 partition systems, the new ones. Out
[16:46] <gppo> Lupine they do
[16:46] <gppo> look at the current g5
[16:46] <_3Josephs> Dell does run some decent specials from time to time
[16:46] <bmc> Many West Virginians identify their ancestry as "American." It is the largest r
[16:46] <Fr33Trade> Dell stock sucks lately HP made money.
[16:46] <gppo> they have pci/e
[16:46] <bmc> i agree with that
[16:46] <bmc> i call myself american also :P
[16:46] <Lupine> ++C: the last two dells.. I got them cheaper than the raw monitor alone woul
[16:46] <Lupine> gppo: they use a non propritery motherboard?
[16:47] <Swigert> bmc: not always accurate
[16:47] * Pickle changes topic to 'Palestinian civil war begins: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/2006051
[16:47] <Lupine> they use a non proprietary case? power supply?
[16:47] <Fr33Trade> HP beat earnings estimates heartily, While Dell which I like too, MIssed,
[16:47] <plusplusc> Lupine: yes, because Dell can buy components in huge bulk discounts that
[16:47] <Swigert> pickle: blame America
[16:47] <_3Josephs> they use non-proprietary electricity
[16:47] <Lupine> gppo: that is what we're discussing.. you can only get those from apple :P
[16:47] <Pickle> Swigert: Don't forget the Jews.
[16:47] <Fr33Trade> Keep in mind I predicted a Palestinians civil war the day or the day afte
[16:47] <Swigert> is anyone else hearing that "The Da Vinci Code" sucks?
[16:47] <Fr33Trade> :)
[16:47] <bmc> Property taxes are paid to the sheriff of each of the state's 55 counties.
[16:47] <Fr33Trade> GRIN
[16:47] <bmc> WV ^
[16:47] <gppo> Lupine it power pc
[16:47] <Pickle> Swigert: I expected little more with Tom Skanks playing a significant role.
[16:48] <gppo> you can install ram, which is stadard, and sata is standard
[16:48] <Fr33Trade> My predictions so far have been good this year..
[16:48] <Pickle> That guy stinks up a movie like little else.
[16:48] <Swigert> bmc: well all that proves is that black people are smart
[16:48] <gppo> Lupine and you can find a powersupply on ebay
[16:48] <Swigert> they have the good sense to leave
[16:48] <bmc> Swigert yea, not much in WV
[16:48] <plusplusc> Pickle: Two words: Kevin Costner
[16:48] <Lupine> gppo: we're talking the motherboard/powersupply/case :P not the cards/hardd
[16:48] <gppo> Lupine no
[16:48] <bmc> coal
[16:48] <Lupine> WOW: check out this time lapse graphic of fedex flights http://www.alexis
[16:48] <Pickle> plusplusc: That's the little.
[16:48] <bmc> strip clubs
[16:48] <Fr33Trade> gppo, Sata is standard in new boxes I think.
[16:48] <gppo> Lupine you can buy a hd from say bestbuy, and install on your g5 out of the bo
[16:48] <Lupine> gppo: no shit. we're not talking about HD's.
[16:48] <bmc> they have some nice ski resorts
[16:49] <Fr33Trade> Why not. Eide is old technolgoy still used for DVDs but for HDS ? So much
[16:49] <gppo> Lupine you can buy a curo duro from ebay, yes you can
[16:49] <bmc> timberline and snowshoe
[16:49] <bmc> charles town is ok also
[16:49] <gppo> the case, well you can't buy it,
[16:49] <bmc> shannondale
[16:49] <Lupine> yea, and you can buy proprietary cray parts on ebay :P
[16:49] <bmc> around harpers ferry
[16:49] <bmc> just alot of fun shit to do
[16:49] <Fr33Trade> gppo =gopp
[16:49] <Fr33Trade> ?
[16:49] <bmc> tubing and what not
[16:49] <Fr33Trade> I think so.
[16:49] * gppo is now known as gopp
[16:49] <gopp> and you can buy a curo duro from any where
[16:49] <NukeIran> NUKE IRAN NOW NUKE IRAN NOW NUKE IRAN NOW NUKE IRAN NOW NUKE IRAN NOW NUKE
[16:50] <gopp> and install osx on it
[16:50] <`STINGRAY> fr33 heya
[16:50] <plusplusc> Lupine: Are the fish in the pond in front of Cray Computer's headquarters
[16:50] <Fr33Trade> I have to go in a minute. Pick up some groceries and then a shitload of p
[16:50] -moderatum:#politics- Mode +i detected - discarded all pending +v modes.
[16:50] <Swigert> Pickle: SNL had a great joke - a guy dressed like Jesus stand up and says "
[16:50] -Fr33Trade:#politics- NukeIran has been Shitlisted for Bigotry!
[16:50] <gopp> my point is, you can buy apple stuff non properity and have a apple box
[16:50] <Fr33Trade> Lot of nice and good people in Iran.
[16:51] <bmc> Swigert WV probably would have been better served rejoining virginia after the
[16:51] <Nohman> Just enough to overthrow the ayatollahs
[16:51] <Lupine> gopp: if you can put another brand motherboard into the G5.. you sure as hel
[16:51] <`STINGRAY> Iran to the bathroom Iraq the pool table
[16:51] <Nohman> not enough I meant*
[16:51] <Fr33Trade> Fuck their government but nukes is not a solution today for anythhing. On
[16:51] <`STINGRAY> what if its a fatherboard gopp?
[16:51] <TheTailor> Fr33Trade, I like 'em, why aren't they kickin' those assholes out?
[16:51] <`STINGRAY> nuke s america especially if ortega gets in
[16:51] <Fr33Trade> Lupine, Youc an put another MB into a peice of sheet metal.
[16:51] <Fr33Trade> ;)
[16:52] <`STINGRAY> s america we forgive the debt they stab us
[16:52] <CryArvach> battle resumes online in 16 hours
[16:52] <Nohman> Nukes should be used more often
[16:52] <bmc> usa version 2.0 ?
[16:52] <gopp> Lupine can you put, a g5 mobo on a dell
[16:52] <Publius> STING: typical socialists
[16:52] <Swigert> I saw Silent Hill
[16:52] <Publius> but brazil and argentinaaaa
[16:52] <CryArvach> Daniel Ortega is running again in Nicaragua??
[16:52] <CryArvach> LOL
[16:52] <Swigert> I also saw MI:3
[16:52] <bmc> thats central america
[16:52] <bmc> :P
[16:52] <Lupine> gopp: sure, but ti'll be easier to put a dell MB in a G5 case :-)
[16:52] <gopp> :)
[16:53] <CryArvach> Danny boy prob learned some lessons
[16:53] <gopp> well it don't matter some dell already run osx
[16:53] <Fr33Trade> TT, They are scared and they dont totally understand, there people like u
[16:53] <CryArvach> that the female gopp??
[16:53] <gopp> my del it been two years since it had
[16:53] <bmc> why are people trying for a constitutional marriage on gay marriage?
[16:53] <gopp> no
[16:53] <gopp> male gop
[16:53] <bmc> er
[16:53] <CryArvach> ok
[16:53] <Publius> Fr33Trade: was madame albright a poor diplomat when it concerned the saudi
[16:53] <bmc> why are people trying for a constitutional amendment on gay marriage?
[16:53] <gopp> who is this female gop
[16:53] <Fr33Trade> But some we must have, but with Iran as a last resort, and even then it c
[16:53] <CryArvach> she used nick gopp
[16:53] <CryArvach> uses
[16:53] <bmc> i dont think marriage needs to be in the constitution
[16:53] <gopp> oh
[16:53] <Lupine> bmc: because leftoid judges are "overruling" the will of the people in many
[16:53] <gopp> I bet you could buy off ebay a g5 case
[16:53] <bmc> just need to stop judged for overstretching
[16:54] <bmc> judges*
[16:54] <CryArvach> damn near everything is on Ebay
[16:54] <bmc> why not amend the constitution to do that?
[16:54] <CryArvach> even countries :P
[16:54] <gopp> CryArvach heheheh
[16:54] <bmc> instead of for one small issue
[16:54] * Tim-bbl is now known as Timur
[16:54] <Fr33Trade> And if they think they can sed 40 million suicide bombers they are wrong.
[16:54] <Swigert> who was the most famous soldier from Kanawha County, Va?
[16:54] <bmc> we could amend the constitution to put an end to judicial activisy
[16:54] <bmc> activism*
[16:54] <gopp> Fr33Trade how many computers do you own
[16:54] <gopp> you seem to be owning a lot
[16:54] <Publius> Fr33Trade: you told me before to ask a question a few times if ya didn't an
[16:54] <bmc> allow nat'l referendum for all questions of constitutionality
[16:55] <bmc> problem solved
[16:55] <Swigert> Answer: George S. Patton, grandfather of the WWII general; he was Captain o
[16:55] <Publius> Fr33Trade: was madame albright a poor diplomat when it came to the saudi ro
[16:55] <Publius> ?
[16:55] <CryArvach> Swigert Like grandfather, like Son
[16:56] <Fr33Trade> It kills me that people actually believe Americans like war. Where to the
[16:56] <CryArvach> A Sec of state is only as good as their boss
[16:56] <gopp> Lupine you may have had a point back in the day
[16:56] <Fr33Trade> Where do they pick that up
[16:56] <gopp> but apple is not properity
[16:56] <Fr33Trade> fucking typos
[16:56] <CryArvach> FT..Chavez willbe bitch slapped
[16:56] <Swigert> cry: oh, the grandson was a MUCH greater commander; one of the best the US
[16:56] <CryArvach> maybe sooner than tyou think....
[16:56] <Lupine> gopp: again, the motherboard/power supply/case is :P
[16:56] <CryArvach> especially if Brazil goes with a consumption tax
[16:56] <Lupine> just as how they are proprietary in dell
[16:56] * Publius tugs on FT's shirt
[16:57] <Publius> sorry...but this is an important question..lol
[16:57] <CryArvach> Swigert...odd...
[16:57] <Fr33Trade> Cry his own people might do it, hes destroying thier country and taking a
[16:57] <bmc> who is the greatest american?
[16:57] <bmc> :P
[16:57] <Fr33Trade> Maybe a law such as if you dont pay any taxes you cant vote does make sen
[16:57] <CryArvach> Pattons Grandpa does not arise at all in my Military History book
[16:57] <CryArvach> the WW II Patton does
[16:57] <CryArvach> as one of the great commanders
[16:57] <Fr33Trade> Because people who live in cardboard boxes and steal for a living shouldn
[16:57] <bmc> washington? jefferson?
[16:57] <Swigert> cryavrach: that book only covers the famous ones for the US, not some count
[16:58] <CryArvach> Swigert...no...the book i have covers from ancient times.....to Korean wa
[16:58] <CryArvach> any one of note
[16:58] <Swigert> cry: then it won't cover many civil war commanders
[16:58] <CryArvach> yes it does
[16:58] <Fr33Trade> I dont know, But if you look at history and here is why I say the US will
[16:58] <Swigert> Grant, Lee, Sherman, etc yes but not a col
[16:58] <bmc> confederate commanders?
[16:58] <Fr33Trade> out poor are richer than some countries middle class.
[16:58] <AAAman> Jay Leno: “In fact, earlier tonight, President Bush announced a new program
[16:58] <CryArvach> Jakson and Lee are in there with Grant and Sherman
[16:59] <bmc> only confederate commander i ever hear about is lee
[16:59] <Fr33Trade> I am out poor.. Some years ;)
[16:59] <CryArvach> and that horse raider
[16:59] <bmc> and i dont see where he was all that great
[16:59] <Fr33Trade> And I am our rich, Some years ;)
[16:59] <bmc> he got served and surrendered
[16:59] <bmc> :P
[16:59] <Fr33Trade> feast or famine ;)
[16:59] <CryArvach> at beginning of Civil War, The South had better generals
[16:59] <AAAman> Leno: When Bush Visits The Border Today “It Will Be The First Time He's Ever
[16:59] <Fr33Trade> Cry, Hmm I dont know.
[17:00] <CryArvach> they did
[17:00] <Fr33Trade> In some places yes.
[17:00] <bmc> mclellan(sp?)
[17:00] <CryArvach> We only gained ground at Gettysburg....
[17:00] <CryArvach> then it was our materiel that buried them
[17:00] <Fr33Trade> Grant and Sherman did pretty well, now around georgia and Shilo.... The N
[17:01] <CryArvach> FT...they did well starting in 1863
[17:01] <pilgrim`> logistics
[17:01] <bmc> the south the battles on their way north
[17:01] <bmc> wpn*
[17:01] * Publius kicks FT's shins
[17:01] <bmc> won*
[17:01] <Publius> damnit!
[17:01] <Publius> hahaha
[17:01] <bmc> until they reached frederick and lee divided his forces :P
[17:01] <CryArvach> Gettysburg was the turning point
[17:01] <Fr33Trade> Our numbers certainly gave us an advantage. but Shermans to some peoples
[17:01] <bmc> they got butchered at sharpsburg
[17:02] <bmc> "bloody lane"
[17:02] <bmc> etc,etc
[17:02] * Publius gives up
[17:02] <pilgrim`> what was the tale of the cigar band and the orders?
[17:02] <CryArvach> Sherman was ahead of his time...
[17:02] <bmc> lee sent half his force to harpers ferry
[17:02] <bmc> after he had just marched right past it
[17:02] <CryArvach> Total war concept was what he used
[17:02] <bmc> :P
[17:02] <CryArvach> Europe should have gotten a clue from our Civil War
[17:02] <Fr33Trade> OUr numbers in the Civil war gave us an advantage, indeed. Notice I say O
[17:02] <bmc> why would he divide his forces in an assault?
[17:02] <Fr33Trade> :)
[17:03] <pilgrim`> Cry inded. our Civil War was to WWI what the Spanish Civil War was to WWI
[17:03] <bmc> removing half of them from the current battle
[17:03] <Fr33Trade> Lee, why would Lee Server a side he didnt want to serve ? Only 1 reason..
[17:03] <CryArvach> Our Civil War was the shape of War to come...
[17:03] <CryArvach> many almost predicted what WW I would be like
[17:03] <pilgrim`> Picket's Charge was the "Over the top" of that time
[17:03] <CryArvach> the trenches...and the Killing fields
[17:03] <bmc> the south didnt burn maryland towns to the ground
[17:03] <bmc> or burn DC
[17:04] <bmc> imprsion maryland union supporters
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> State Loyalty
[17:04] <pilgrim`> in to the face of musket fire was the 1st barrage of bullets
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> server ?
[17:04] <Swigert> Gettysburg and Vicksburg were the turning points, but so was Grant's promot
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> Sounds like an Internet General
[17:04] <CryArvach> Early lessons from WW I
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> why would he SERVER one side ?
[17:04] <pilgrim`> had the South taken DC early all woudl haev changed
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> Not but Lee wanted to fight with the Union.
[17:04] <CryArvach> 1.) You do not charge machine gun emplacements
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> No But not not but
[17:04] <bmc> they should have burned it to the ground
[17:04] <CryArvach> 2.) You do not march in formation across a bridge
[17:04] <Fr33Trade> NO But General LEE wanted to fight on the side of the UNION. Thats a fact
[17:04] <pilgrim`> Cry tell that to the hide bound generals of WWI
[17:04] <bmc> couldve conviced MD and maybe DE to secede then
[17:05] <Nohman> Damn, that was fucking amazing, watch this http://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/
[17:05] <CryArvach> 3.) Tanks are IMMUNE to small arms fire
[17:05] <Swigert> Pickett's Charge was folly - and they knew it
[17:05] <CryArvach> 4.) Gas is debilitating, not acutely lethal
[17:05] <pilgrim`> Swig like the Light Brigade ;)
[17:05] <Fr33Trade> And he would have except his state legislatures ignored 2/3rds the people
[17:05] <bmc> CryArvach per rule #1 the russians disagree
[17:05] <Fr33Trade> lee wasnt happy was he swigert! But he felt Duty to this State of Virgini
[17:05] <CryArvach> bmc...they did not learn well
[17:05] <pilgrim`> the Iranians did a WWI in the war with Iraq
[17:06] <bmc> CryArvach but it worked
[17:06] <Swigert> freetrade: Jackson wanted to push the Union out of his home, western Virgin
[17:06] <Fr33Trade> Well Off to get drugs for my allergies. fuck this allergy season..
[17:06] <Swigert> pilgrim: exactly
[17:06] <pilgrim`> if you do not have modern break thru weapons, trench war is the result
[17:06] <CryArvach> look at the cost they paid
[17:06] <CryArvach> yes pilgrim
[17:06] <Fr33Trade> Why wouldnt they let him ?
[17:06] <Fr33Trade> Beside he couldnt ?
[17:07] <CryArvach> and when you throw mechanized warfare into the mix....
[17:07] <bmc> western VA supported the Union?
[17:07] <pilgrim`> if a good counter to smart bombs GPS and all that is found, it is back to
[17:07] <CryArvach> the butchery multiplies geometrically
[17:07] <Fr33Trade> thats why it became western VA
[17:07] <CryArvach> bmc...yes
[17:07] <pilgrim`> there is one great counter to GPS and the US should plan for it and I doub
[17:07] <Nohman> http://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=167 <----man verus tree
[17:07] <Lupine> naw, with modern shells in howitzers.. trenches will not do very well
[17:07] <gopp> Fr33Trade do you think we could attack north korean, with it affecting south k
[17:07] <CryArvach> in 1861 at Wheeling, they repudiated VA Secession
[17:07] <gopp> ???
[17:07] <L0c0> lo'
[17:07] <bmc> there are devices capable of interferring with GPS
[17:07] <Fr33Trade> Swigert knows this specific history inside out.. ask him any questions ab
[17:07] <L0c0> fucking rumsfeld
[17:07] <CryArvach> gopp yes
[17:08] <gopp> Fr33Trade do you think we could attack north korean, with it not affecting sou
[17:08] <L0c0> Oreilly asked why they don't hire more border patrol agents
[17:08] <gopp> CryArvach with it not
[17:08] <CryArvach> Tactical nukes
[17:08] <pilgrim`> Lupine using GPS? which works right up till EMP kills the sattelite
[17:08] <L0c0> and he said "well they gotta go to congress and ask for more
[17:08] <L0c0> fucking dumbass
[17:08] <L0c0> they did
[17:08] <Fr33Trade> He knows it better than most American history graduates.. with BAs
[17:08] <L0c0> they asked for 2000
[17:08] <gopp> CryArvach yepe I said the same
[17:08] <L0c0> bush's budget offered 200
[17:08] <Fr33Trade> Swigert is my man!
[17:08] <Lupine> pil: naw, just modern proximety or timed fused
[17:08] <Fr33Trade> I got to go.
[17:08] <Fr33Trade> Later
[17:08] <CryArvach> Shwiggly
[17:08] <pilgrim`> L0c0 takes a LOT of time to train those guys too
[17:08] <bmc> L0c0 congress appropriated enough money for 10k more border troops
[17:08] <gopp> Publius see it possible, I am not the only one with that view
[17:08] <bmc> where is this money at?
[17:08] <bmc> where are the border guards?
[17:08] <CryArvach> wow!!! they may cut the inflow to 3 million a year@
[17:09] <L0c0> pilgrim: imagine, thy've been asking for more money since the clinton administ
[17:09] <CryArvach> wowo!!!!
[17:09] <bmc> who is going to be indicted for embezzlement is this money isnt still there?
[17:09] <bmc> if*
[17:09] <L0c0> pilgrim: when reyes was BP guy here, he asked for money, demos said no
[17:09] <pilgrim`> Lupine also electroinc. again: non hardened electroincs dies 1 minute af
[17:09] <CryArvach> build the wall
[17:09] <L0c0> reason he wantd to run for congress
[17:09] <pilgrim`> L0c0 I knwo lad...I know
[17:09] <gopp> demos run this country
[17:09] <gopp> is scarry
[17:10] <pilgrim`> heck. they have been saying its a problem since the 70s
[17:10] <Swigert> sorry guys been writing emails
[17:10] <CryArvach> pilgrim...neither party wants a real solution to the problem
[17:10] <Swigert> cry: what?
[17:10] <Lupine> PROOF that one always needs to be prepared for the unexpected: http://www.
[17:10] <pilgrim`> yep
[17:10] <Swigert> I think that I am putting on weight
[17:10] <pilgrim`> ask in Germany what they do about illegal Turks
[17:11] <Swigert> pilgrim: Canada is starting to deport illegals
[17:11] <pilgrim`> is that the plane that came down behind the fence?
[17:11] <Swigert> someone at WVU asked me how I got across the border
[17:11] <pilgrim`> heh
[17:11] <Lupine> pil: yea, right between two baseball fields
[17:11] <Swigert> I said "wrong border"
[17:11] <pilgrim`> I have seen that
[17:12] <Swigert> my god - Edmonton beat San Jose!
[17:12] <Lupine> After successfully landing his Cessna Centurion on a handy road (due to fuel
[17:12] <Red_Barch> d for the unexpected: http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/
[17:12] <AAAman> Missouri City To Start Evicting Unwed Couples With Children…
[17:12] <Red_Barch> er doh
[17:12] <Red_Barch> http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/Default.asp?a=download&vid=14
[17:13] <pilgrim`> Lupine go to homepage.mac.com/pilgriemr go to the mov fodler and click th
[17:13] <pilgrim`> homepage.mac.com/pilgrimer that is
[17:14] <Swigert> I had my hair cut today
[17:15] <L0c0> this whole border issue w/ the NG...does seem like a purely political move to
[17:15] <L0c0> b/c he (and congress) had chances in the past and just let shit get worse and
[17:15] <L0c0> why send 6000 troops if they aren't going to be on the border?
[17:15] <L0c0> at most, they'll be proving surveillence...most will be manual labor
[17:15] <Lupine> A jet powered handglider.. that can't be good
[17:15] <L0c0> can't we use prisoners or illegals for that/
[17:16] <L0c0> hehe
[17:16] <Lupine> grimmy: oh god, do you have to have it in gay-man pink?
[17:16] <L0c0> if we make illegals build the wall, they'll be right next to Mexico and mexico
[17:16] <L0c0> win win!
[17:16] <pilgrim`> Lupien I never changed it. that was the default
[17:17] <pilgrim`> I just use it as a place to dump stuff
[17:17] <pilgrim`> the Recoil one is good too
[17:17] <Lupine> wow.. mac.com is slow...
[17:17] <pilgrim`> the ci611 is a crash in Hong Kong
[17:18] <pilgrim`> during a monsoon
[17:18] <Lupine> when planes attack!
[17:18] <Lupine> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/RunawayPlane!.wmv
[17:19] <Lupine> pil: yea, that is the one that ended up on its back, next to the runway
[17:19] <pilgrim`> Lupine also in my mov check either of the SDB mpgs. You will like it. I s
[17:19] <L0c0> lupine: LOL
[17:19] <L0c0> that's the sorta crazy shit seems to only happen to white people
[17:19] <L0c0> :-P hehe j/k
[17:20] <Lupine> HOLY CARUMBA!!
[17:20] <Lupine> regular prop plane takes off in 18feet
[17:20] <Lupine> http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/SuperCub18ftTO.mpg
[17:20] <pilgrim`> yeah
[17:21] <pilgrim`> Lupien you grab those 2?
[17:21] <pilgrim`> Lupine
[17:21] <Lupine> pil: its going.. but real slow..
[17:21] <pilgrim`> SDBBack and SDBFront
[17:21] <Lupine> ~12KB/sec
[17:21] <blaaz> when planes attack
[17:21] <blaaz> http://prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/170506doctored.gif
[17:21] <pilgrim`> they are small
[17:21] <Lupine> blzz: look at mine about the runaway plane
[17:22] <Lupine> geez.. is that supercub like just styrafoam?
[17:22] <blaaz> weird
[17:22] <pilgrim`> weird
[17:22] <blaaz> heh
[17:22] <pilgrim`> those were the full movs when I dumped them tere
[17:23] <Lupine> Yea, i've seen those bunker buster films.. rather amazing slow motion film s
[17:24] <Publius> Fr33trade?
[17:27] <pilgrim`> http://stderr.de/funstuff/Lord%20Of%20The%20Rings.wmv
[17:28] <pilgrim`> gotta go
[17:31] <CryArvach> hrmmm
[17:32] <feudel> what did the old bush adminstration say before they all left
[17:32] <CryArvach> what?
[17:32] <Publius> "my bad on the tax thing":
[17:32] <bmc> the old bush administration?
[17:32] <feudel> they took a line from posideon and said "quickly we must escape from this ca
[17:32] <feudel> :P
[17:32] <CryArvach> What did the Clinton Admin say when they left?
[17:33] <CryArvach> "We told the truth to the best of our ability"
[17:33] <feudel> :P
[17:33] <Publius> "hehehe, see ya'll later...*blow me*
[17:33] <Publius> "
[17:33] <CryArvach> That was Hillarys line
[17:33] <CryArvach> Clintons was....defahnnnnnnn 'lie'
[17:33] <Swigert> wow this wireless internet connection has been working a lot better than it
[17:33] <feudel> wireless is sooo glitchy
[17:34] <CryArvach> landladys new laptop has 802.11g
[17:34] <feudel> nice but still
[17:34] <CryArvach> I am not gonna use wireless until the sec improves
[17:34] <feudel> give me a wired router any day :P
[17:34] <IamKing> feudel: duh :P
[17:35] <Nohman> LSD tested on british troops http://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?vide
[17:35] <feudel> this is my conspiricy theory for the war on terror/ 9/11
[17:35] <panini> when the ClintonAdmin left, they trashed the white house, vandalized it
[17:35] <Swigert> feudel: the Martians did it?
[17:35] <CryArvach> Nohman...how do you think they made Monty Python Skits?
[17:36] <feudel> Exxon Mobil and OPEC shoved money towards al qaeda to fund them and caused a
[17:36] <feudel> ^^^^
[17:36] <CryArvach> panini..taking the W's off the keyboards.....real mature
[17:36] <panini> stole the "W" key from all the computers, etc
[17:36] <panini> yeah
[17:36] <CryArvach> feudel...making stupid statements here is a bad thing...
[17:36] <Publius> oh man
[17:37] <CryArvach> because it fraws attention to you
[17:37] <feudel> No
[17:37] <Publius> that one really streched it
[17:37] <feudel> i know it seems stupid
[17:37] <feudel> but it could of happened
[17:37] <CryArvach> it was very stupid
[17:37] <feudel> :/
[17:37] <feudel> Ill leave
[17:37] <CryArvach> heh
[17:37] <CryArvach> that was rich....
[17:38] <Publius> ok
[17:38] <Publius> lemme get this straight
[17:38] <Publius> america is in the middle east
[17:38] <CryArvach> Exxon Mobil and Opec gave Al-Qaeda money to start a war to raise oil pric
[17:38] <Publius> for oil...the jews run america...but OPEC is mainly run by the sauds
[17:38] <Publius> o_O
[17:38] <CryArvach> Shell and Chevron were not in on deal...sheesh
[17:38] <Timur> that's how insidious we Jews are
[17:38] <Publius> Timur: bwahahahahah
[17:38] <Timur> we fund people who teach hatred of us
[17:38] <Timur> just as a distraction! you naive whiteys
[17:39] <CryArvach> yep....and to throw us off..they killed 6 million of their own in Europe.
[17:39] * Timur is son of pigs & monkeys, etc
[17:39] <Timur> it was all an elaborate scam!
[17:39] <CryArvach> that was a masterful stroke
[17:39] * Timur bows, sinisterly
[17:39] <CryArvach> Timur...yep... they paid Jacob Bronowski to stand in the ash pit
[17:40] <Timur> (twirling black mustache)
[17:40] <Timur> right, course
[17:40] <Timur> he was a stooge of us, ZOG
[17:40] <CryArvach> Bronowski was a Author
[17:40] <CryArvach> The Ascent of Man a masterful work
[17:42] <Publius> is CHomsky active in his faith?
[17:44] <Publius> Timur: do you know?
[17:45] <Timur> Pub: no
[17:45] <Timur> he's atheist, afaik
[17:47] <Publius> Timur: he just grew up "jewsih" and claimed to have feared the catholics
[17:47] <Publius> around him
[17:47] <CryArvach> Bronowski was a mathmetician that became interested in the life sciences
[17:47] <Publius> i think
[17:47] <CryArvach> The Ascent of Man was his last publication
[17:47] <Publius> anyway..I think Iraqis hate him
[17:47] <Publius> at least kurds
[17:47] <Publius> the ones who know of him
[17:47] <Publius> lol
[17:47] <CryArvach> it was an unique approach to history....
[17:48] <CryArvach> depicting specific events and their impact upon man
[17:48] <Publius> thats just part of history
[17:48] <Publius> but
[17:48] <Publius> yes
[17:48] <Publius> it is unique in that science is another field of study
[17:48] <CryArvach> he had a Mathmeticians perspective on it though :)
[17:48] <Publius> in and of itself
[17:48] <CryArvach> thats what was unique
[17:48] <Publius> he was jewsih ;)
[17:48] <CryArvach> yes
[17:49] <Publius> the 3 jews I went to high school
[17:49] <Publius> math wizes
[17:49] <CryArvach> his whole family died in one of the ca,mps
[17:49] <Publius> ;(
[17:49] <CryArvach> in one episode of the book...
[17:49] <CryArvach> he is standing in a ash pit in Auschwitz
[17:49] <Publius> OH MAN..do you remember when Ahmadinejad demanded to be allowed in there
[17:49] <Publius> to inspect it
[17:50] <CryArvach> commenting on the inhumanity of man to his fellow man
[17:50] <CryArvach> we should put that sock puppet in an oven...
[17:50] <Publius> how do you like your persian? baked, broiled or bombed?
[17:50] <Publius> heh
[17:51] <_3Josephs> rugged
[17:51] <CryArvach> Then we bring over a choir of Demented Hews to Sing Frampton....
[17:51] <CryArvach> "Do you...FEEL...Like we do?"
[17:52] <Publius> deny this!
[17:52] <Publius> ya know
[17:52] <Publius> i am starting to wonder about this guy
[17:52] <Publius> he is stupid enough
[17:52] <CryArvach> he is a terrorist scok puppet
[17:53] <Publius> to be like
[17:53] <CryArvach> sock
[17:53] <Publius> "hey can i go check out aushwitx to see if it is real"
[17:53] <Publius> sends this "king to king" letter to Bush
[17:53] <CryArvach> If I eve go to that area...I will visit ALL of the camps
[17:53] <Publius> that is rather suspicious of intellectual curiousity
[17:54] <CryArvach> but unlike my Dad, I will NOT go into the Bitburg cemetery
[17:54] <Publius> he talks big...but I don't think he wants to fight
[17:54] <Publius> i dunno
[17:54] <Publius> im stuck
[17:54] <Publius> today
[17:54] <CryArvach> brb...food time :)
[17:54] <Publius> pft
[18:01] <Red_Barch> Wow, the senate just voted 63-34 on making English the "common and unifyi
[18:01] <evoke> what does that mean exactly
[18:02] <Timur> Red: really? well, about time
[18:02] * prkrastn8 is now known as prk-away
[18:03] <Timur> but it's not on cnn
[18:03] <Red_Barch> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/05/18/D8HMGLG81.html
[18:04] <redfish> timur dance dance
[18:05] <panini> Red_Barch, no way!
[18:05] <sintient> Dance dance we're falling apart at half time.
[18:05] <Red_Barch> ya rly
[18:06] <Red_Barch> it still has a ways to go, but good to see some Democrats taking a stand
[18:06] * redfish plies
[18:06] <panini> oh, its completely non-binding and meaningless
[18:06] <panini> no wonder it passed
[18:07] <nicos_> is the President's immigration plan amnesty for illegals?
[18:07] <Red_Barch> pretty much
[18:08] <panini> yes it's disguised amnesty
[18:08] <AAAman> Called the "No President Left Behind Act," the newly-enacted program mandate
[18:08] <panini> but amnesty all the same
[18:08] <nicos_> do you think it's good
[18:08] <Red_Barch> My question is, if we let these people become citizens, but fine them $3,
[18:09] <panini> all of the provisions are silly and cannot be enforced
[18:09] <panini> a fine is silly - they won't pay it
[18:10] <redfish> panini-chan
[18:10] <Nohman> Achoo
[18:10] <panini> a requirement to apply for a work permit is silly - they won't apply for it
[18:10] <redfish> .
[18:10] <Mason__> There are terrible reasons to enact laws that can't be reliably enforced
[18:10] <AAAman> Bush Mobilizes Troops for Border Control
[18:10] <panini> a threat of deportation if they comply is silly - if we can't deport them no
[18:10] <Red_Barch> Secure the southern border first, THEN lets talk guest worker program. I
[18:10] <panini> if they don't comply
[18:11] <panini> Red_Barch, exactly
[18:11] <Mason__> What it does is allow law enforcement to have the power to determine on a w
[18:11] <panini> NONE of the other ideas make sense UNTIL you have a wall
[18:11] <redfish> ya
[18:11] <redfish> well
[18:11] <panini> once you have a wall, you can talk about the other things
[18:11] <AAAman> NSA to employ Mexicans in a guest listen program
[18:11] <redfish> in 1996 buchanan talked about a wall and everyone went ape and called him a
[18:11] <hans--> lol AAA
[18:12] <Red_Barch> So you think it's coincidence GWP is really close to GWB? Think his lega
[18:12] <panini> the reason ppl oppose a wall... because it WORKS
[18:12] <Red_Barch> look at the Berlin wall, what was the success rate of getting around it?
[18:12] <Red_Barch> 0.01%?
[18:12] <AAAman> Tear down that wall Mr K.
[18:13] <panini> K?
[18:13] <bmc> its not suppose to stop every person
[18:13] <bmc> just most people
[18:13] <bmc> and act as a deterrent
[18:13] <sintient> Dude can't people come over legally as a tourist?
[18:13] <sintient> Then they sneak off and stay right?
[18:13] <bmc> yea
[18:13] <panini> right now, you can just walk across totally unimpeded
[18:13] <bmc> tourist visa
[18:14] <sintient> I mean what if they just wanted to come over to get an american slurpee ri
[18:14] <Red_Barch> China has a million troops guarding it's land borders. You dont see anyt
[18:14] <sintient> ANd then they stay.
[18:14] <panini> no applying for a visa is harder
[18:14] <bmc> thats illegal
[18:14] <RobVanDam> hey
[18:14] <panini> it's MUCH easier to just enter illegally
[18:14] <hans--> Berlin Wall not a fair comparision, it was in a city, easily manned. US Bord
[18:14] <sintient> A wall isn't going to stop someone with the least bit of ingenuity.
[18:14] <Timur> red: o\-< o/-< o>-<
[18:14] <Red_Barch> 1400
[18:14] <hans--> And people did escape from East Berlin.
[18:14] <bmc> a 20' wall will stop most people
[18:14] <redfish> red_barch i bet north korea secures their northern border pretty well to ke
[18:14] <panini> a wall works
[18:14] <sintient> THey still go in shipping crates.
[18:14] <sintient> Hell there are tunnels now.
[18:14] <panini> it always has, always will
[18:15] <bmc> you think a pregnant woman can scale a 20' concrete wall?
[18:15] <Red_Barch> redfish, Oh Im sure, one sec lemme find the link
[18:15] <sintient> People were tunneling human and drug traffic and there isn't even a wall.
[18:15] <bmc> and to prevent tunneling under it
[18:15] <bmc> bury it in the ground
[18:15] <sintient> They will just dig more.
[18:15] <panini> of course, they will try the catapult method, but they already debunked that
[18:15] <hans--> However, the Wall was a propaganda disaster for East Germany and for the com
[18:15] <bmc> they wont be able to
[18:15] <sintient> Wall down to core so if they try to go deeper fried beaners.
[18:15] <sintient> refriend beaners.
[18:15] <hans--> wow, tables turned big time in what 15 years/
[18:15] <Nohman> Who's the president of China?
[18:15] <bmc> we can have sensors to detect such tunneling activity
[18:15] <sintient> sorry
[18:15] <bmc> :P
[18:16] <hans--> we went from telling other countries to tear down walls, to building them.
[18:16] <sintient> seismic detection?
[18:16] <Nohman> Who's the president of China?
[18:16] <bmc> however they do it
[18:16] <redfish> i think the great wall of china should be torn down
[18:16] <Nohman> I agree
[18:16] <sintient> DO the military in iraq even have sensors to detect tunnels?
[18:16] <bmc> what we need
[18:16] <bmc> is 1 billion chinese
[18:16] <bmc> hah
[18:16] <Nohman> tear down the great wall of china
[18:16] <bmc> to build our wall
[18:16] <bmc> :P
[18:16] <Publius> Hu Jintao
[18:17] <Red_Barch> redfish: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=n
[18:17] <Swigert> hello
[18:17] <Nohman> "Mr. Hu Jintao, tear down this wall!" President Bush challenging Jintao to t
[18:17] <Swigert> I think I've put on some weight
[18:17] <bmc> sintient you cant put a price on national security
[18:18] <Nohman> Tear down the 3 gorge dam also!
[18:18] <Nohman> Tear it all down to teh ground!
[18:18] <bmc> we could dig a canal
[18:18] <sintient> Shipping crates.
[18:18] <bmc> coast to coast
[18:18] <bmc> :P
[18:18] <sintient> They know they have a 9999 in 10000 chance of getting through in shipping
[18:18] <bmc> seperate mexico from the US physically
[18:19] <sintient> Like by a river?
[18:19] <Swigert> why not hand the states west of the Mississippi back to Mexico and let Cana
[18:19] <Red_Barch> Why is it America is the only country on earth where trying to ensure it'
[18:19] <sintient> What about that?
[18:19] <bmc> sintient the river doesnt extend the entire length of the border
[18:19] <bmc> and isnt wide enough
[18:19] <Nohman> I have a saw, I could tear america and mexico apart with my bare hands
[18:19] <sintient> What about the fact that mexicans were here first.
[18:19] <bmc> sintient so were the native americans
[18:19] <sintient> What about the fact that the EUROs pushed them back and now call them ille
[18:19] <Red_Barch> sintient: They gave up quite a bit for Santa Ana's return
[18:19] <Red_Barch> they coulda let him die
[18:20] <sintient> I am sure they all didn't agree to that.
[18:20] <sintient> But still what worker programs did the pilgrims come over with?
[18:20] <sintient> Indian Visa worker program.
[18:21] <bmc> they came, they saw, they conquered
[18:21] <Red_Barch> at what point do we say "Ok, this is far enough back in history that thes
[18:21] <sintient> It is funny there weren't white people in the new world.
[18:22] <bmc> there was no government when the pilgrims came over
[18:22] <nicos_> mexico should have been taken over by us
[18:22] <nicos_> lol
[18:22] <sintient> And now we call mexicans who named most of the things in the south illegal
[18:22] <sintient> The us didn't want it.
[18:22] <nicos_> it could've been one of our states
[18:22] <Red_Barch> bmc: Someone argued the case to me that there was in fact an indian const
[18:22] <bmc> sintient only in the southwest
[18:22] <sintient> Where "they" cross over.
[18:22] <bmc> Red_Barch yes and im sure it was democratically instituted
[18:23] <Red_Barch> heh
[18:23] <sintient> Dude there is no arguement just something for you to think about.
[18:23] <sintient> Because you have a document makes it alright?
[18:23] <Red_Barch> sintient: My last question is the one that needs answering
[18:23] <sintient> Or the easterners would be more wrong if the indians had written something
[18:23] <nicos_> bush can't pull 10,000 troops out of iraq and send them to the border??
[18:23] <Nohman> I'm not against any american invasion of anything
[18:23] <sintient> That is what I am saying.
[18:23] <sintient> It was colonialism and imperialism.
[18:24] <sintient> Well there you go a jingoist.
[18:24] <nicos_> hey then he could say he's reducing troop levels there, and putting them to
[18:24] * Publius snores
[18:24] <sintient> But I would like to remind you of kharma.
[18:24] <Katey> is comet around?
[18:24] <sintient> The troops at theborder will they be rounding up illegals?
[18:24] <bmc> no
[18:25] <Katey> sintient, they won't have any law enforcement authority
[18:25] <sintient> So what are they going to do?
[18:25] <bmc> just surveillance and what not
[18:25] <sintient> Be like scaremexicans.
[18:25] <Red_Barch> America is no more guilty of stealing land from Indians as Australians to
[18:25] <Katey> last I heard was that they're there to observe
[18:25] <bmc> sintient yes
[18:25] <sintient> No more guilty hahah
[18:25] <bmc> sintient the AG conceded that, just the show of force on the border will act as
[18:26] <sintient> You are going to defend colonizing enslaving and sequestering a native peo
[18:26] <Swigert> hey
[18:26] <bmc> if the show of force doesnt work, they dont know what consequences may follow
[18:26] <Publius> or we can acknowledge it occured
[18:26] <Publius> and recognize the wrong
[18:26] <Publius> and move on
[18:26] <Red_Barch> most nations on earth are the result of invaders
[18:26] <bmc> the mexican government better get its house in order
[18:26] <sintient> MExicans aren't going to be scared of a scaremexican.
[18:26] <Nohman> There's a reason why only america is pointed out though, anti-americanism
[18:26] <Swigert> well I knew that wireless connection would break eventually - but 2.5hrs is
[18:26] <sintient> Starve or get looked at real funny by a dude in green pajamas.
[18:27] <sintient> It is just the topic of the day and we can do something about it.
[18:27] <bmc> sintient with a automatic rifle
[18:27] <bmc> and a radio, in direct contant with ICE
[18:27] <sintient> We can't control australian treatment of aboriginis.
[18:27] <Red_Barch> What can America do to get people to like them again? Get rid of Bush an
[18:27] <bmc> they will have the right to defend themselves
[18:27] <Swigert> we spoke out about Apartheid and it worked
[18:27] <Nohman> Damned if we do, damned if we don't
[18:28] <sintient> The 911 hijackers were mostly on legal express visas.
[18:28] <sintient> They all came in with legal visas some had overstayed their time though.
[18:28] <Swigert> the worst crimes are often committed with legality
[18:28] <bmc> that doesnt matter
[18:28] <Nohman> We got involved in Kosovo without UN support and we were condemned, we didn'
[18:28] <bmc> what about next time they try?
[18:28] <sintient> 3000 people killed in one day and this 6000 man force isn't aimed at stopp
[18:28] <Red_Barch> sintient: What is it called when a vast amount of people from one soverei
[18:28] <bmc> do you want it to be just as easy for them to get in?
[18:28] <Katey> We were condemned for Kosovo?
[18:28] <sintient> invasion
[18:29] <Katey> I don't recall that
[18:29] <Red_Barch> exactly
[18:29] <bmc> then were being invaded
[18:29] <sintient> Immigration
[18:29] <bmc> and the federal government isnt stopping it
[18:29] <Katey> The Dutch were condemned for Srebrenica
[18:29] <sintient> evacuation
[18:29] <Nohman> Yes Katey we were, by the UN
[18:29] <Swigert> katey: they said that Kosovo was an illegal invasion - but "they" usually c
[18:29] <sintient> spring break
[18:29] <Red_Barch> hah
[18:29] <Red_Barch> g1
[18:29] <Nohman> And we were condemned by that same UN for not getting involved in Rwanda
[18:29] <Swigert> but since the UN cant touch the US, their opinion is moot
[18:29] <Nohman> UN is in US
[18:30] <Nohman> They don't pay for parking tickets
[18:30] <Red_Barch> I still remember my one spring break at Cazumel. Crazy times
[18:30] <sintient> No since the US found mass graves.
[18:30] <Katey> Nohman, heh. it was the UN security council who refused to get involved
[18:30] <sintient> That sorta justified the whole operation.
[18:30] <Katey> Of course, I think the "no" votes were from the US and the UK
[18:30] <sintient> Because the leaders were charged with war crimes.
[18:30] <Nohman> The UN security council never gets involved in anything
[18:30] <bmc> membership in UN would be voluntary also wouldnt it?
[18:30] <Nohman> It's a paper tiger
[18:30] <Katey> that's certainly true
[18:30] <sintient> Voluntary and has fees.
[18:30] <Swigert> bmc: but it is worth it
[18:30] <bmc> so if they push any one member to hard
[18:31] <bmc> they can just remove themselves
[18:31] <Swigert> so long as the US has a veto on the SC, the UN cant touch America
[18:31] <sintient> A paper organization but the members have real nukes and attack planes.
[18:31] <sintient> I think intent has to matter to .
[18:31] <Nohman> The UN should be composed of only true republics and the UN should pay us a
[18:31] <sintient> Invasion to kill, immigration to live.
[18:31] <sintient> They do don't they?
[18:31] <sintient> Doens't the UN pay for their space like any other renter?
[18:32] <Nohman> NO they don't
[18:32] <Swigert> sintient: no
[18:32] <sintient> Do we get a discount on our membership?
[18:32] <Katey> lol
[18:32] <Nohman> No, we pay 25% of the UN's budget
[18:32] <Mason__> buy two invations, the third is free
[18:32] <Red_Barch> Nohman: The situation in the Sudan, North Korea and other areas remaining
[18:32] <Swigert> the UN can be useful
[18:32] <sintient> Look the UN has made the iraqi invasion sound perfectly legit.
[18:32] <Swigert> but unfortunately it is transparent and toothless
[18:32] <Katey> Swigert, I agree
[18:32] <Red_Barch> in aid relief sure
[18:32] <Nohman> They find the US' mere existence unjustifiable
[18:33] <Swigert> any move the UN makes will be seen by Iran and NK as a US move
[18:33] <Katey> But it's not very useful as a military force for enforcing UN mandate
[18:33] <sintient> Alot of peopel can say "resolution 1441" and with out it people would just
[18:33] <bmc> sintient no other modern nation in the world allows this amount of unrestricted
[18:33] <sintient> hey are pussies.
[18:33] <sintient> they
[18:33] <sintient> You want the US to be like holland or france?
[18:34] <Publius> 25%????
[18:34] <Red_Barch> Nohman: Then how can the UN even exist anymore? If every time they do so
[18:34] <Swigert> 1441 was delibately embiguous
[18:34] * Publius pushes that up
[18:34] <bmc> i want the US to be like the US
[18:34] <Swigert> pub: the Pentagon spends more in a day than the US does on the UN in a year
[18:34] <Nohman> Well, india invaded bangladesh for all the aliens comming in, the US should
[18:34] <bmc> not like mexico or central/south america
[18:34] <sintient> Well most of the US descend from immigrants
[18:34] <bmc> sintient generations ago
[18:34] <Publius> Swigert: as it should. the pentagon is a military institution whereas the U
[18:34] <sintient> And what if they were pushed back.
[18:34] <sintient> You might be here.
[18:34] <bmc> they werent pushed back
[18:34] <Swigert> pub: without the Pentagon, the UN wouldn't have much
[18:34] <Publius> frankly, the UN doesn't need buy as much shit
[18:35] <sintient> 'nip it in the bud as long as it doens't effect your flower."
[18:35] <sintient> I know that is why you are here.
[18:35] <AAAman> I have yet to understand the anger at the UN
[18:35] <Nohman> If nations believe that peace can be achieved through peaceful means, they w
[18:35] <Katey> Eh. A hundred years ago people were bitching and moaning about the exact sam
[18:35] <sintient> UN peacekeeps and relief deliverers.
[18:35] <bmc> Katey they were right werent they?
[18:35] <Katey> If anything, the US was strengthened by it
[18:35] <Katey> bmc, er...no
[18:35] <Swigert> sintient: yes but neither very well
[18:35] <Katey> they weren't
[18:35] <sintient> I will say better than nothing.
[18:36] <Katey> The US wasn't destroyed by that wave of immigration. It was strengthened by
[18:36] <Nohman> But it was legal immigration, not illegal
[18:36] <Red_Barch> You know what I find funny? There was a thing on MSNBC where they showed
[18:36] <sintient> Cheap labour, military enlistment etc.
[18:36] <Katey> Nohman there was no distinction at that time
[18:36] <bmc> i seem to recall reading about several issues from the turn of the century to p
[18:36] <Katey> you showed up, some guy wrote your name down, you disappeared into the popula
[18:36] <Katey> the en
[18:36] <Katey> d
[18:36] <bmc> none of these things has occured in the magnitude that it did then
[18:36] <icmp> Katey: There was no welfare state, either.
[18:37] <Katey> bmc, yes, it was of a very similar magnatude
[18:37] <sintient> Why don't I get welfare then?
[18:37] <Red_Barch> why dont you
[18:37] <Red_Barch> its pretty lax now
[18:37] <sintient> I don't know.
[18:37] <bmc> Katey the nation wasnt doing all that well in those days was it? im pretty sure
[18:37] <Red_Barch> There are some families in America getting $60,000 in welfare type benefi
[18:37] <Nohman> Ol' Dirty Bastard should get his welfare beyond the grave
[18:37] <Swigert> redbarch
[18:37] <bmc> i thought they needed to beef up their manufacturing base and what not
[18:38] <icmp> bmc: when?
[18:38] <icmp> 1900?
[18:38] <Katey> bmc, er...no. It was just something that was happening
[18:38] <sintient> How does an immigrant get welfare anyway?
[18:38] <Swigert> redbarch: during the Tsunami in South Asia in 2004, the UN workers showed u
[18:38] <AAAman> Red_Barch -- Welfare type?
[18:38] <Katey> sintient, public school...maybe AFCD
[18:38] <sintient> No SSID, no legal residence?
[18:38] <Katey> other than that...
[18:38] <Swigert> redbarch: meanwhile, the US Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force worked triple
[18:38] <Katey> most illegals would be too afraid of exposure to apply for anything
[18:39] <Fr33Trade> Damn went to pick up a script and my wife was going to pick it up for me
[18:39] <Fr33Trade> I go back in and say hey wait a second..
[18:39] <CometBaby> Katey, not really. They even have banks that make govt. backed loans to
[18:39] <sintient> I have insurance?
[18:39] <Red_Barch> sintient: It's very simple. They use a Matricula Consular Mexican ID car
[18:39] <Fr33Trade> A) you forgot my Nasarel (Allergy nose medication) and B) why is this eye
[18:39] <Swigert> redbarch: one story was that a UN aid worker complained to a US Navy cook w
[18:39] <bmc> Red_Barch not anymore
[18:40] <sintient> WIth out an american birth certificate?
[18:40] <bmc> per "Real ID Act"
[18:40] <Fr33Trade> She says its not formulary, I say thats ok, but I want 100 day supply tha
[18:40] <bmc> or do they STILL allow that mexican card?
[18:40] <Red_Barch> bmc: Right, but before then an estimated 2 million illegals are now regis
[18:40] <Swigert> having been a foreigner in the US on a temporary visa = they do check
[18:40] <Fr33Trade> She says you are on a 30 day plan, I said I am not , I come in here every
[18:41] <sintient> Just have to call your doctor and them fax over whatever you want from the
[18:41] <Red_Barch> Lemme tell you, just from having to be at the social security office awhi
[18:41] <Katey> Fr33Trade, Oh! script=prescription. :) I was wondering if you were getting i
[18:41] <Fr33Trade> Anyway Its no big deal, I dont have to use the eye drops every day only w
[18:42] <Fr33Trade> Ohw ell whats that got to do with politics ? Not a damn thing.
[18:42] <sintient> It just sounds too racist to me, libertarians would say that this immigrat
[18:42] <Katey> eh. It's a pretty typical "nativist" sentiment, imo
[18:42] <Fr33Trade> Anyway after $200 deductible of non formulary (Brand Name patent) I get i
[18:42] <Katey> Not really anything new
[18:42] <Nohman> just post 10,000 machine gun nests on the southern border, problem solved, s
[18:43] <Katey> ugh.
[18:43] <icmp> sintient: Heh. I guess. Anarchists tend to settle things by 'natural law' thou
[18:43] <sintient> The illegals in the country will attack from the rear.
[18:43] <Fr33Trade> People go to point guns toward the southern border of where ?
[18:43] <Katey> Fr33Trade, the US
[18:43] <Fr33Trade> They do that here Ill go fight for who is morally right, Ill go shoot the
[18:43] <IamKing> sintient loves attacking the rear ;)
[18:43] <IamKing> especially in San Fran bathhouses
[18:43] <IamKing> heheh
[18:43] <sintient> Some chicks have hot flanks.
[18:43] <Publius> lol
[18:43] <Fr33Trade> Ill go fight on the southern side and machine gun down rednecks.
[18:44] * IamKing snipes Fr33Trade
[18:44] * Publius is a redneck
[18:44] <Publius> ;)
[18:44] <sintient> Damn racist war mongers.
[18:44] <Nohman> despite being born in the north, I have a southern heart
[18:44] <Fr33Trade> I dont care if youa re anti illegal but if you advocate killing mexicans
[18:44] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: no, YOU get out! :P
[18:44] <Nohman> yeah, FT, get out of my country
[18:44] <icmp> !
[18:44] <Nohman> I was born here
[18:45] <Fr33Trade> In 50 years of history on the west coast we both understood it was not ri
[18:45] <icmp> Fr33Trade: I'll go with you. :)
[18:45] <IamKing> just because they want it doesn't give them the RIGHT to have it...it is a
[18:45] <bmc> i was born about 5 mins from where im sitting now
[18:45] <icmp> IamKing: Who determined that?
[18:45] <bmc> :P
[18:45] <icmp> You?
[18:45] <Fr33Trade> Because they proved they would endure danger and risk of life to live the
[18:45] <praxis9> Haha
[18:45] <bmc> 29 yrs ago!
[18:45] <IamKing> icmp: nope, the government that you hate so much did ;)
[18:45] <Fr33Trade> I from the oldest family in America.. One of them.
[18:45] <praxis9> It's Wonderful Mexican hour again. Whee!
[18:45] <sintient> Still think about people immigrating then writing a law and now people are
[18:45] <Nohman> FT, you lie
[18:45] <Fr33Trade> I was here before 99% of anyone on this channel.
[18:45] <sintient> Hippocritical.
[18:46] <icmp> IamKing: Ah. The government grants privileges to something it doesnt own. (the
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> Oh yeah ?
[18:46] <Nohman> yeah :D
[18:46] <Timur> I'm not, and I don't care how 'old' one's family is. That has no bearing on a
[18:46] <wiretapp> One of my relatives was settled in Jamestown!
[18:46] <bmc> i have no idea when my ancestors immigrated here
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> Everyone hear who knows me knows MY ancestors settled New Amsterdam
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> Do you even know where New Amsterdam was ?
[18:46] <bmc> it was at least 3-4 generations ago though
[18:46] <wiretapp> Actually one of my relatives credited with saving Jamestown
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> What its called today ?
[18:46] <Timur> NYC
[18:46] <Publius> New York?
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> Close
[18:46] <Publius> grr
[18:46] * Swigert knows FreeTrade's family history - it's a sad, sad story
[18:46] <Katey> I was listening to an interesting discussion about this issue today
[18:46] <Timur> yeah, and so what? :)
[18:46] <bmc> or lifespans
[18:46] <Publius> albany
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> Yes but more accurately its Manhattan
[18:46] <Fr33Trade> My family anyway
[18:46] <Timur> Nieuwe Amsterdam
[18:46] <Timur> yeah, NYC. Manhattan.
[18:47] <Swigert> FreeTrade is really the son of Adolf Hitler and a baboon
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> The Rosselvelts were very early citizens too we bought property from them
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> and them us
[18:47] <Katey> Someone on the panel pointed out that the US has a falling birthrate and an a
[18:47] <Nohman> New Amsterdam never existed, neither did NYC
[18:47] <Swigert> he was kicked out of the Manson Family because Charles thought he was "cree
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> I was in America 300 years before Adolph Hitler was president
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> :)
[18:47] <bmc> Katey by importing more poverty?
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> Or Chancelor :)
[18:47] <Timur> "I" ?
[18:47] <bmc> haha
[18:47] <Timur> wow, then I was Abraham.
[18:47] <bmc> damn your old
[18:47] <Fr33Trade> Timur no you are right I threw that in there.
[18:48] <wiretapp> What is kind of ironic is the invasion of Mexicans is kinda like the india
[18:48] <bmc> oh yea! im related to moses!
[18:48] <Timur> I know. :)
[18:48] <bmc> so there!
[18:48] <Timur> that's like
[18:48] <Nohman> I am the reincarnation of Moses, but this time I advocate violent ways
[18:48] <bmc> beat you to it :P
[18:48] <Fr33Trade> Though what I said about my family is true it has no bearing every americ
[18:48] <Timur> when Patton was overlooking Carthage, and goes.. "I was here.. " (DA-dum da D
[18:48] <redfish> freetrade, im the reincarnation of the pet dog you had as a kid that died
[18:48] <Katey> bmc, eh. If they're eager and willing to work hard, they won't be poor for lo
[18:48] <Fr33Trade> Oppose illegal aliens, thats your right of course. Do not threaten to kil
[18:49] <Fr33Trade> what could be more evil.
[18:49] <Katey> which is something that can be resolved through policy changes
[18:49] <Fr33Trade> Katey the fact is they dont stay poor long.
[18:49] <bmc> Katey yes they will, because they work unskilled jobs
[18:49] <Nohman> The illegal aliens are criminals
[18:49] <bmc> $10/hr isnt going to make one rich
[18:49] <Nohman> they broke our law
[18:49] <bmc> thats poor :P
[18:49] <Katey> bmc, lots of people start out in unskilled jobs
[18:49] <Libertine> under the senate compromise plan... we are going to re-emburse illegals f
[18:49] <IamKing> Fr33Trade: uh, invading another country and trying to "reconquer" it unde
[18:49] <Fr33Trade> They are amazingly quick climbers of the economic latter.. These guys own
[18:49] <Katey> they're not required to stay there though
[18:49] <bmc> not many stay in them indefinitely
[18:49] <wiretapp> has it occured to anybody that the REAL PROBLEM is there is a 3rd world co
[18:49] <Libertine> dear god.. i didnt think I'd get social security when i hit 65... but ill
[18:50] <Libertine> im for open borders; but i am not for open borde
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