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Session Start: Sun Apr 30 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #politics
[00:00] <beeperz> So she hates the Iraq War so she's a traitor. She gave her son in combat, a
[00:00] <beeperz> There's a word for that branding dissenters traitors, it's called fascism f
[00:00] <jennanana> three cheers for beeperz
[00:00] <Pickle> She didn't "give" her son. Her son made the choice to be a patriot, and she
[00:00] <Pickle> And she should be regarded accordingly.
[00:01] <jennanana> so u feel this iraq war was formed on merit?
[00:01] <beeperz> You can't be serious
[00:01] <MissLaVey> isn't she making speeches for the american communist party?
[00:01] <Fr33Trade> Anyone here seem the Movie "Coach Carter" ?
[00:01] <Fr33Trade> seem = seen
[00:01] <jennanana> she's not a politician
[00:01] <jennanana> she's a mother
[00:01] <TheTailor> Sheehan was here again at Easter, knowing Bush wouldn't be here, she clai
[00:01] <jennanana> with an opinion
[00:01] <jennanana> so how does that make her a communist
[00:01] <jennanana> ?
[00:01] <Pickle> I don't give a shit about the merits of the Iraq war. I care about Cindy Sh
[00:01] <MissLaVey> jennanana: does your brain work?
[00:01] <TheTailor> She's a stupid bitch.
[00:01] <beeperz> A lot of people rushed to sign up after 9/11 and their patriotism was betra
[00:02] <jennanana> well if u dont care about the merit of the war
[00:02] <jennanana> how can u care about something resulting from?
[00:02] <US_Male> I never liked beeperz
[00:02] <panini> of course it was formed on merit
[00:02] <TheTailor> Not ignorant, stupid.
[00:02] <jennanana> what merit?
[00:02] <jennanana> tell me
[00:02] <Pickle> jennana: Because the merits of the war are irrelevant to what Sheehan is doi
[00:02] <Pickle> The war could be complete bullshit, and Sheehan would still be a lunatic and
[00:02] <panini> you may not *agree* with the reasons, but you can't deny there was plenty of
[00:02] <jennanana> how so pickle
[00:03] <beeperz> the reasons changed overnight
[00:03] <jennanana> no i cant agree panini
[00:03] <jennanana> they said it was for a reason
[00:03] <Pickle> jannanana: Because regardless of the merits of the war, Sheehan is providing
[00:03] <jennanana> the reason was found to be false
[00:03] <panini> it was
[00:03] <jennanana> as was the evidence
[00:03] <panini> many reasons
[00:03] <jennanana> doctored even
[00:03] <beeperz> lol
[00:03] <bud`> beeperz I suppose extremist islam being preached across the globe, even in Lon
[00:03] <jennanana> lol
[00:03] <TheTailor> jennanana, you are illinformed.
[00:03] <panini> nothing was "doctored", Miss Conspiracy Theorist!
[00:03] <Fr33Trade> If anyone sees the movie Coach Carter, (Its really a good movie) I lived
[00:03] <jennanana> no tailor im not
[00:03] <jennanana> i could play u audio
[00:03] <Pickle> jennanana: The trueness or falseness of the war doesn't change the fact that
[00:03] <panini> take off your tinfoil hat!
[00:04] <beeperz> I'm pretty damn sure that Iraqi Insurgents and Al-Qaeda don't find aid in c
[00:04] <jennanana> how is she?
[00:04] <DiscoTaco> Anyone who says "the" reason is false is automatically be dismissed as ig
[00:04] <panini> beeperz, shows you how stupid she is, doesn't it?
[00:04] <Pickle> jannanana: By lauding the enemy our men are fighting and condemning those me
[00:04] <jennanana> what were they disco
[00:04] <jennanana> inform me
[00:05] <beeperz> what shows how stupid she is?
[00:05] <panini> educate you, you mean
[00:05] <DiscoTaco> Inform yourself. There are volumes written on the subject.
[00:05] <jennanana> they are fighting insurgents
[00:05] <Pickle> jennanana: The men hear that, and so does the enemy. And while the men may
[00:05] <jennanana> if someone invaded our country
[00:05] <US_Male> Al-Qaeda would behead beeperz
[00:05] <jennanana> and said do shit this way
[00:05] <US_Male> *whack*!
[00:05] <jennanana> half would listen
[00:05] <US_Male> just like that
[00:05] <jennanana> and half would rise up
[00:05] <beeperz> sure they would
[00:05] <DiscoTaco> It's not like I'm referring to obscure information that is not readily av
[00:05] <jennanana> does that make the half that don't want to go by the invaders rules enemi
[00:05] <jennanana> hmmm
[00:05] <Fr33Trade> The fact was we were in state of war with them before we went to war with
[00:05] <jennanana> or are they just trying to keep their home theirs?
[00:06] <jennanana> well ur so willing to say there are other reasons disco
[00:06] <Publius> Fr33Trade: heya
[00:06] <jennanana> so tell me what are those reasons
[00:06] <beeperz> The troops have been interviewed many times and have said that dissent at h
[00:06] <MissLaVey> bad analogy.
[00:06] <MissLaVey> because we don't live in fear of our lives as it is.
[00:06] <TheTailor> jennanana is to young to remember the first war, the one where the cease
[00:06] <jennanana> so maybe the half that are rising up didnt fear theirs either
[00:06] <MissLaVey> we don't fear being killed for opposing political beliefs
[00:06] <Fr33Trade> If you think about it what I am saing is true, we never really ended the
[00:06] <DiscoTaco> jennanana: you can start be reading the resolution Congress passed author
[00:06] <jennanana> do u live there?
[00:07] <jennanana> do you know?
[00:07] <US_Male> beeperz: what happened, did you see that movie and it's got you all freaked
[00:07] <jennanana> oh please
[00:07] <beeperz> movie?
[00:07] <beeperz> It was a tv series
[00:07] <beeperz> I don't need to see movies to freak myself out, unless it's poltergeist or
[00:07] <Pickle> Calling the fighting men terrorists is wrong, whether the war is righteous o
[00:07] <jennanana> what about the sudan fr33...can't use the genocide reason for war and not
[00:07] <Pickle> And Sheehan should get her ass kicked for it.
[00:08] <Fr33Trade> Well then again she could look at the standing Policy of the clinton Admi
[00:08] <beeperz> Oh come on. One man's terrorist will always be viewed as another man's free
[00:08] <Pickle> And some day, some other gold star mother or wife IS going to lay a lickin'
[00:08] <Fr33Trade> Regime change, people thought it would happen after the first war but it
[00:08] <TheTailor> What did Sheehan say in New Orleans? That was off the wall...
[00:08] <jennanana> she's a woman
[00:08] <bud`> Fr33Trade who thought that?
[00:08] <DiscoTaco> TheTailor: the sanitizing of Sheehan's public statements by the mainstrea
[00:08] <jennanana> she's not paid leader of our country
[00:08] <jennanana> everything that comes from her mouth isnt gold
[00:09] <beeperz> I do remember a campaigning Bush who spoke against nation building in 2000.
[00:09] <bud`> Fr33Trade it was always crystal clear to me the objective was not to remove sa
[00:09] <MissLaVey> she makes women look bad.
[00:09] <jennanana> im not defending everything she says
[00:09] <MissLaVey> women are already thought of as illogical
[00:09] <jennanana> but she has every right as an american
[00:09] <jennanana> to say such things
[00:09] <US_Male> Democrats like to carry the water for scumbags
[00:09] <beeperz> lol
[00:09] <MissLaVey> and she is definitely a stand-out case of one of those illogical women
[00:09] <Fr33Trade> People argued at the end of the war to go to baghdad or to come home and
[00:09] <US_Male> and do their laundry
[00:09] <Fr33Trade> Didnt happen
[00:09] <beeperz> yeah there's no Republican scumbags!
[00:09] <Pickle> She has no right to call the fighting men terrorists or the enemy freedom fi
[00:09] <jennanana> none under indictment either beeperz ;)
[00:09] <TheTailor> LOL, what an asshole --->Sheehan: Get troops out of 'occupied New Orle
[00:09] <US_Male> beeperz: that's an illogical reply
[00:09] <Pickle> It's treason and she's a traitor.
[00:09] <beeperz> My hands would cramp up if I had to type up all the Republican scumbags in
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> I supported this war in the beggining and I have never had a single even
[00:10] <jennanana> see thats why there will never be common ground
[00:10] <US_Male> beeperz: but you're a scumbag yourself
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> Not one doubt it was the right thing to do.
[00:10] <TheTailor> jennanana, tell me hos Sheehan saying that in New Orleans has anything to
[00:10] <jennanana> this channel proves
[00:10] <beeperz> Ok, you people have a weird idea of treason.
[00:10] <jennanana> people are unwilling to compromise
[00:10] <bud`> beeperz you act like a typical unelectable whining snarling angry democrat, wh
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> I am 100% certain it was a rightous act.
[00:10] <jennanana> face facts
[00:10] <jennanana> on both sides
[00:10] <beeperz> lol
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> If people really do believe in human rights.
[00:10] <beeperz> we have strategy, you guys have smear and fear
[00:10] <Pickle> I agree. There will never be a common ground between the reactionary, anti-
[00:10] <TheTailor> jennanana, are you in high school?
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> we liberated 40 million people.
[00:10] <jennanana> sigh
[00:10] <Fr33Trade> IM proud of our country.
[00:10] <MissLaVey> jennanana: what are we suppose to comprmise?
[00:11] <jennanana> and then we go with the insults
[00:11] <Fr33Trade> Damn Proud
[00:11] <beeperz> yeah, liberated them into constant fear
[00:11] <jennanana> instead of just debate
[00:11] <jennanana> notice that?
[00:11] <MissLaVey> compromise our beliefs because yours are different?
[00:11] <US_Male> beeperz: yeah. You lose all the recent elections. LOL
[00:11] <jennanana> no
[00:11] <TheTailor> haha, I was serious
[00:11] <Pickle> The only thing to do is leave the reactionary left in the political wilderne
[00:11] <bud`> beeperz yah, the people just love voting for angry pissed off folks
[00:11] <jennanana> compromise that the war was based on lies
[00:11] <beeperz> jen: this channel is all about the ad-homonims
[00:11] <jennanana> just as ive compromised that sheehan isnt a fuckign god
[00:11] <US_Male> beeperz: nice "strategery" Mr Kerry !
[00:11] <jennanana> like u all portray her to be
[00:11] <TheTailor> jennanana, the war wasn't based on lies.
[00:11] <jennanana> she's a mother
[00:11] <jennanana> thats pissed
[00:11] <jennanana> her son died
[00:11] <MissLaVey> beeperz: you sir, are a glorious example of someone who uses ad homs
[00:11] <jennanana> in a war based on lies
[00:11] <beeperz> I wasn't a Kerry supporter, I was a Clark supporter
[00:11] <Fr33Trade> And I am not a car carrying Republican I am on the other side of the far
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> dubai I guess ;)
[00:12] <Swigert> lots of other sons, husbands, brothers - and even some sisters, mothers and
[00:12] <Pickle> I watched "Jarhead" tonight. What a stupid movie.
[00:12] <TheTailor> jennanana, yeah, that's why we have this, because she's sad ---> Sheeh
[00:12] <Swigert> pickle: what didn't you like?
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> The was was not based on lies to say such a thing would be ignorant..
[00:12] <jennanana> if it was a war based on merit swigert it would be different
[00:12] <jennanana> its not
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> That there were politics is true
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> always is true
[00:12] <US_Male> beeperz: jesus, Clark is even dumber than Kerry
[00:12] <TheTailor> It's ill informed.
[00:12] <beeperz> It's typical Repub strategy to attack the person on values or with insults,
[00:12] <Swigert> jenn: is any war based on merit?
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> but that it was a lie straight up,. Thats false.
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> What was a lie ?
[00:12] <Pickle> Swigert: It was ridiculously angst-filled.
[00:12] <jennanana> yes
[00:12] <Fr33Trade> What was a lie ?
[00:12] <beeperz> us_male: is there a democrat that you've ever liked?
[00:13] <Fr33Trade> What was a lie ?
[00:13] <US_Male> beeperz: yes
[00:13] <Fr33Trade> Can anyone answer me ?
[00:13] <jennanana> there was actually good reason for ww2
[00:13] <jennanana> obviously
[00:13] <Fr33Trade> Apparently not.
[00:13] <MissLaVey> [03:11] <+beeperz> jen: this channel is all about the ad-homonims [
[00:13] <MissLaVey> BAHAHAH
[00:13] <BeReal> jennanana my exgf name was jenna n she was a b*tch therefore you are now on
[00:13] <Swigert> jenn: only in hindsight \
[00:13] <jennanana> damn why do people repeat themselves
[00:13] <jennanana> like i didnt read the first time
[00:13] <jennanana> thx
[00:13] <beeperz> lack of arguementative ability?
[00:13] <jennanana> wow intelligence
[00:13] <Fr33Trade> The same reasons for going into ww2 apply here to stop genocide and remov
[00:13] <jennanana> ignore me please
[00:13] <US_Male> beeperz: I used to be registered as a Democrat
[00:13] <jennanana> u too misslavey
[00:14] <bud`> beeperz there are plenty of outstanding democrats, unfortunantly the dem leade
[00:14] <US_Male> for 7 years or so
[00:14] <US_Male> <GASP>
[00:14] <jennanana> and the current administration is not bud?
[00:14] <MissLaVey> beeperz: i don't like arguing with hypocrites.
[00:14] <TheTailor> jennanana, do you like the BBC? REad and learn, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/
[00:14] <MissLaVey> or trolls.
[00:14] <Fr33Trade> Jennanana, I have an extremely high IQ, it has nothing to do with a lack
[00:14] <MissLaVey> hene why i've not said much to you.
[00:14] * Cdr-Don bonks US_Male on the head with an ugly stick.
[00:14] <beeperz> ok, so demo = trolls sure
[00:14] <MissLaVey> hence*
[00:14] <Fr33Trade> What was the lie ?
[00:14] <beeperz> that's fine
[00:14] <jennanana> what did u ask
[00:14] <Fr33Trade> There was no lie.
[00:14] <jennanana> im sorry i missed it
[00:14] <jennanana> sadaam was practically willing to take it in the ass not to be invaded
[00:15] <Fr33Trade> to say there was a lie is itself dishonest.
[00:15] <jennanana> was like come in
[00:15] <MissLaVey> YOU BITCHED ABOUT AD HOMS, AND HAVE BEEN USING THEM THE WHOLE TIME YOURSE
[00:15] <jennanana> have ur way with us
[00:15] <jennanana> but guess what
[00:15] <TheTailor> jennanana, what was the lie you speak of?
[00:15] <beeperz> I really haven't
[00:15] <jennanana> we didnt care
[00:15] <MissLaVey> do you not see wre you're a hypocrite?
[00:15] <TheTailor> MissLaVey, no caps
[00:15] <jennanana> we wanted the oil
[00:15] <beeperz> but believe what you wish
[00:15] <Pickle> Saddam was unwilling to do what he was being told to do in order to avoid wa
[00:15] <Fr33Trade> Jenan, If he willing to take it in the ass why was he flipping the UN an
[00:15] <TheTailor> jennanana, what oil, Canada has more oil
[00:15] <jennanana> we wanted to finish daddys unfinished job
[00:15] <beeperz> So far jen and I have been attacked on age, called stupid, cindy sheehan ca
[00:15] <jennanana> lets get real
[00:15] <TheTailor> Buy it from them
[00:15] <Fr33Trade> There wasnt a single day of unfettered inspections in Iraq
[00:15] <BeReal> Pickle yep
[00:15] <jennanana> we can't get from canada what we are from iraq
[00:16] <TheTailor> jennanana, that's stupid
[00:16] <jennanana> no
[00:16] <MissLaVey> we barely get ANYTHING from iraq.
[00:16] <jennanana> u think we're paying for that oil in iraq?
[00:16] <Fr33Trade> There wasnt one day that the inspectors werent denied access or harrassed
[00:16] <MissLaVey> and if we could, we would be.
[00:16] <US_Male> jennanana seems pretty unsophisticated
[00:16] <TheTailor> jennanana, Iraq isn't selling oil yet.
[00:16] <jennanana> sigh
[00:16] <BeReal> jennanana we dont get free oil from anyone in the U.S.
[00:16] <Pickle> Are you kidding? Between the oil, uranium, and natural gas, America extract
[00:16] <Fr33Trade> we arent doing it for oil, the money we have spent in iraq we could of bo
[00:16] <TheTailor> US-Male, and young
[00:16] <US_Male> yeah
[00:17] <MissLaVey> you think bush wouldnt try appeasing the american people by getting oil f
[00:17] <beeperz> Ok, facts...Dick Cheney only wanted to be briefed on Iraq the minute he got
[00:17] <TheTailor> Pickle, I say we put a trillion into tar sands
[00:17] <jennanana> because that oil will be ours
[00:17] <TheTailor> Give canada the money
[00:17] <jennanana> without paying
[00:17] <jennanana> period
[00:17] <jennanana> we have vested interest
[00:17] <Fr33Trade> To think we fight a war for oil which costs us 100s of billions of dollar
[00:17] <Pickle> Heh. Mexico legalized up to two pounds of peyote.
[00:17] <TheTailor> jennanana, no, the oil belongs to the Iraqis
[00:17] <Swigert> tailor: why?
[00:17] <jennanana> u'll see
[00:17] <MissLaVey> time for a trip to mexico!
[00:17] <Publius> Fr33Trade: yup
[00:17] <TheTailor> Swigert, over the middle east? Why?
[00:17] <jennanana> oh lord thats intelligent
[00:18] <Publius> MissLaVey: lol
[00:18] <BeReal> jennanana Canada was the largest exporter of total petroleum products again
[00:18] <beeperz> i'll never understand why prostitution is legal in nevada but not pot
[00:18] <TheTailor> Swigert, I would rather keep the money her
[00:18] <TheTailor> e
[00:18] <BeReal> jennanana we dont get oil from canada??? okay...
[00:18] <jennanana> im not even talking about canada
[00:18] <Swigert> tailor: good
[00:18] <jennanana> someone else mentioned it
[00:18] <jennanana> and u ignored me i thought
[00:18] <TheTailor> *u'll see*, sign of a high schooler
[00:18] <Swigert> bereal: correction - Alberta exported that oil; not "Canada"
[00:18] <Fr33Trade> We should do what Mexico did legalize drugs here too.. and people know I
[00:19] <BeReal> <jennanana> we can't get from canada what we are from iraq
[00:19] <Pickle> And coincidentally, a neat thing about my new Mazda3 is that it has all sort
[00:19] <BeReal> what were u tlaking about ? ^
[00:19] <Fr33Trade> Legalize it they wont smuggle it anymore in from Mexico.
[00:19] <MissLaVey> jennanana has forgotten about the letters Y and O
[00:19] <Fr33Trade> But thats a different issue.
[00:19] <beeperz> Decriminilazation has already taken place in a number of states for marijua
[00:19] <BeReal> The second largest exporter of total petroleum products again this month was
[00:19] <jennanana> someone said 'buy it from them'
[00:19] <jennanana> that is what i was responding to
[00:19] <Pickle> I don't think I'd have the balls to try to bring two pounds of peyote all th
[00:20] <jennanana> anyway i can't keep up with 80 conversations
[00:20] <jennanana> sooooooooooooooooo
[00:20] <BeReal> Pickle 2 pounds? wow
[00:20] <beeperz> I like how I gave a lot of facts that we were going to invade Iraq before 9
[00:20] <TheTailor> jennanana, we may buy it from them, or we may not.
[00:20] <jennanana> beeperz good luck...keep ur head straight
[00:20] <MissLaVey> Pickle: it's obviously not that hard
[00:20] <MissLaVey> heh
[00:20] <BeReal> Pickle those cactus take 8-15 years to grow? 2 lbs.. wow
[00:20] <beeperz> aww
[00:20] <TheTailor> hahaha
[00:20] <beeperz> you made her leave!
[00:20] <TheTailor> I knew that was coming
[00:20] <Pickle> Boo-hoo.
[00:20] <TheTailor> haha
[00:21] <Fr33Trade> Anyway, usually those who say we went to war on a lie are referring to we
[00:21] <BeReal> she had an annoying name
[00:21] <Fr33Trade> We may never know.
[00:21] <MissLaVey> her argument wasnt a strong one, that's why she couldn't hold her own.
[00:21] <Fr33Trade> or me may know.
[00:21] <BeReal> Fr33Trade not only that but 14 other contrys agreed to go to war
[00:21] <beeperz> well, when it's 18vs2...
[00:21] <BeReal> Fr33Trade the entire world was mis-informed
[00:21] <beeperz> come on
[00:21] <TheTailor> FT, I don't think Saddam had a handle oin it
[00:21] <BeReal> Fr33Trade And there was more than one reason for going to war.. I watched bu
[00:21] <Pickle> Oddly, they only decriminalized five grams of weed.
[00:22] <MissLaVey> beeperz: i can hold my own against 20 people.
[00:22] <Fr33Trade> What we did know was the the UN concluded they had wmd, as did the CIA, a
[00:22] <MissLaVey> besides, there aren't nearly that many speaking.
[00:22] <beeperz> not without insulting them
[00:22] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: I don't think Iraq wanted the U.S. to think it had WMD. That d
[00:22] <beeperz> http://www.ceilingcat.com/ceilingcat.jpg
[00:22] <beeperz> lol
[00:22] <TheTailor> 5 grams?
[00:22] <BeReal> Fretless yep
[00:23] <MissLaVey> beeperz: you seem to enjoy doling out the insults. don't complain.
[00:23] <Fr33Trade> A lie is not a lie when you go there based on an honest belief even if it
[00:23] <BeReal> DiscoTaco they still had illegal weapons you know
[00:23] <Fr33Trade> Thats a fact
[00:23] <DiscoTaco> Of course, it's still not a settled issue that they didn't. A lot of us a
[00:23] <Fr33Trade> WHat I just said is a fact.
[00:23] <BeReal> DiscoTaco they Had a bomb that was against regulation becuase it could trave
[00:23] <BeReal> lots of em
[00:23] <Fr33Trade> Disco, Exactly
[00:23] <DiscoTaco> BeReal: I don't really care what they did and didn't have, ultimately.
[00:24] <Pickle> Saddam's own generals bought his line of shit about WMD. Whoever Saddam was
[00:24] <BeReal> It wouldnt be hard for them to move their WMD
[00:24] <Pickle> Congratulations.
[00:24] <Fr33Trade> And anyone whining for Saddam is whining for a genoicidal murderer.
[00:24] <Fr33Trade> fuck them
[00:24] <BeReal> their WMD are prob in iran
[00:24] <BeReal> or under the grond in iraq
[00:24] <beeperz> it's not that I whine for Saddam
[00:24] <BeReal> or destroyed
[00:24] <beeperz> I whine for being mislead
[00:24] <Fr33Trade> They can whine all they want, free speech, whine for the rest of your god
[00:24] <beeperz> and I whine for bad prioritization
[00:24] <Fr33Trade> You lose sleep I wont.
[00:24] <Fr33Trade> I wont whine about shit.
[00:25] <Fr33Trade> Because Im not that goddamn stupid.
[00:25] <beeperz> ok let's look at threats in order of danger level...Iran, Syria, North Kore
[00:25] <quikchaos> I always like to ask why Saddam had these WMD's made in the first palce.
[00:25] <beeperz> he needed them to offset the Iranians
[00:26] * Pickle changes topic to 'Iran planning "Judgement Day": http://www.aawsat.com/english/new
[00:26] <BeReal> quikchaos He didnt need them.. HE had no problem massacring his own people a
[00:26] <panini> "Doing alright, little jiving on a saturday night"
[00:26] <Pickle> We need to nuke those assholes and fast.
[00:26] <Fr33Trade> I have nothing more to say about it either.. History in 100 years will re
[00:26] <quikchaos> ok, next question. why would Iran need them
[00:26] <quikchaos> North Korea.
[00:26] <quikchaos> why do they need them.
[00:26] <beeperz> Yeah.
[00:27] <beeperz> Just like history in 100 years will show how important Vietnam was right?
[00:27] <Fr33Trade> About 5 or 6 or 7 nations have radically improved since Bush started his
[00:27] <BeReal> man those terrorists are so wacked out
[00:27] <Sublimer> Fr33Trade: i'm down with that , WWIII will be about oil.. as the oil suppl
[00:27] <BeReal> they have no reason to live... just reason to die...
[00:27] <Pickle> 100 years from now, asshole leftists will probably be trying to revise histo
[00:28] <beeperz> lol
[00:28] <beeperz> ok
[00:28] <BeReal> Here, the Iranian source hesitated before saying with worry; this stage migh
[00:28] <BeReal> ^^ from the webpage in the topic
[00:28] <TheTailor> They will have Howard Dean's scream to keep them going.
[00:28] <quikchaos> BeReal: Take what you said, and do a Google on what terrorist's say about
[00:28] <Swigert> if Iran used nukes, the rest of the world would unite against them
[00:28] <beeperz> man, you must really need to surround yourself with falsehoods to be in tha
[00:28] <BeReal> quikchaos i dont care what they say.. they are wacked out
[00:28] <BeReal> quikchaos and they are jealous
[00:29] <MissLaVey> beeperz: you're wrong to assume we're all bush supporters.
[00:29] <BeReal> quikchaos they are not like us americans... they are different....
[00:29] <TheTailor> Swigert, you can bet that's planned now, and the same for N Korea
[00:29] <quikchaos> BeReal: You say "they have no reason to live... just reason to die...". I
[00:29] <beeperz> MissLaVey: that's true
[00:29] <Fr33Trade> Libya gave up wmd and said so pubicly, Lebanon was no longer occupied by
[00:29] <Swigert> tailor: planned perhaps - but implemented?
[00:29] <Fr33Trade> The first African woman president came and thanked Bush for inspiring her
[00:29] <BeReal> quikchaos I didnt say I am better... I didnt say they are better... I said w
[00:29] <Fr33Trade> Reality vs Fantasy...
[00:29] <US_Male> beeperz got dumped by jennannananana
[00:30] <Pickle> It's only been three years and leftwingnuts are trying to change the premise
[00:30] <Fr33Trade> Reality is what really happens, fantasy is merely a belief
[00:30] <MissLaVey> and that 31% is people who APPROVE, not support.
[00:30] <BeReal> quikchaos why dont I think they have a reason to die??? Do a google search f
[00:30] <Fr33Trade> Or a desire.
[00:30] <beeperz> free: you do know that the Lebanese said at the time that it had nothing to
[00:30] <MissLaVey> approving and supporting are different :)
[00:30] <Fr33Trade> Pakistan is now on the right side of the terror war that should say
[00:30] <beeperz> kerry is a douche
[00:30] <BeReal> quikchaos See how many americans are suicide bombers =)
[00:31] <beeperz> ok
[00:31] <BeReal> quikchaos or are considered 'suicide bombers'
[00:31] <Fr33Trade> I sai not when I meant now, I seem to do that particular typo a lot
[00:31] <Fr33Trade> Beeeperz, No they didnt say that.
[00:31] <beeperz> As far as "promoting democracies", Pakistan is a military coup
[00:31] <BeReal> quikchaos Normal people arent suicide bombers
[00:31] <beeperz> we pay them billions, they pretend to play ball
[00:31] <Fr33Trade> Yes it had to do with thier leader being assinated, that lit the flame, B
[00:31] <BeReal> quikchaos People who have a reason to live are not suicide bombers
[00:32] <Fr33Trade> Without america pressuring Syria it would not of worked.
[00:32] <BeReal> quikchaos wacked out terrorists with a fucked up view on life ARE suicide bo
[00:32] <beeperz> hahahahahahaha
[00:32] <beeperz> ok
[00:32] <Fr33Trade> And same thing btw in the Ukraine
[00:32] <Fr33Trade> add that country to Bushs list too
[00:32] <beeperz> you go to Lebanon, and you tell them it was Bush that inspired their moveme
[00:32] <panini> i'm gonna buy a CLEVER: http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060425/481/nyet80104252
[00:32] <beeperz> and then THEY'LL SHOOT YOU FOR BEING AN ARROGANT AMERICAN
[00:32] <beeperz> lol
[00:32] <US_Male> beeperz keeps losing elections.
[00:32] <DiscoTaco> beeperz: You do realize that even Lebanese leaders who can't stand Bush a
[00:33] <beeperz> usmale: we'll see about that this november
[00:33] <Fr33Trade> People in Syria didnt come our and say Bush this or Bush that.. So dont s
[00:33] <US_Male> beeperz: yup
[00:33] <beeperz> disco: no, I don't realize that, I've heard the opposite actually
[00:33] <US_Male> beeperz; how many have you lost now ?
[00:33] <beeperz> lol
[00:33] <DiscoTaco> I'm sure you have.
[00:33] <Pickle> Who cares what happens this November? The election to win was November '04.
[00:33] <Pickle> You guys are fucked.
[00:33] <beeperz> If we look at the last 50 years, republicans have lost more elections. It's
[00:33] <Fr33Trade> And Pakistan Military dictatorship or not they are on the side now of ref
[00:34] <BeReal> Some people believe everything they hear
[00:34] <quikchaos> BeReal: Religion is the bases of thier actions. Religion is the bases of
[00:34] <MissLaVey> hmm
[00:34] <MissLaVey> showertime
[00:34] <Fr33Trade> they were on the other side before Bush
[00:34] <BeReal> quikchaos Religion is not the basis of our actions
[00:34] <DiscoTaco> beeperz: the opposite being what, exactly? That it was Bush's policy in I
[00:34] <beeperz> The election to win is this year. If we win this year, we can investigate t
[00:34] <DiscoTaco> I mean, what "opposite" is there that you're referring to?
[00:34] <quikchaos> think hard about that.
[00:34] <US_Male> lol
[00:34] <US_Male> how sad and desparate !
[00:34] <BeReal> quikchaos: What kind of religion includes killing people? That is not a fuck
[00:34] <BeReal> quikchaos think about that
[00:34] <beeperz> not sad and desperate, proud and patriotic
[00:34] <Pickle> beeperz: LOL. Keep fantasizing about a Bush impeachment.
[00:34] <BeReal> quikchaos think hard you fuck.. and quit telilng me what to think and fuck u
[00:35] <beeperz> to stand up to a white house that feels they can do anything they want with
[00:35] <quikchaos> lol
[00:35] <Fr33Trade> Beeperz, The GOP was always a minority party, today its about equal with
[00:35] <US_Male> truly the illegal way Democratd think --> [00:34] <beeperz> The
[00:35] <DiscoTaco> ah, the delusions of dictatorship again.
[00:35] <beeperz> pickle: if you read jefferson's rules of order that the house passes every
[00:35] <US_Male> how very pathetic!
[00:35] <Fr33Trade> People want the war to be over, and china and INdia to be back where they
[00:35] <Pickle> beeperz: If the Democrats do win this November, it will only be because they
[00:35] <Fr33Trade> But thats not reality
[00:35] <BeReal> quikchaos Us smart Americans can see things from a 3rd person perspective..
[00:35] <Fr33Trade> On General principles most people today are conservatives..
[00:36] <Fr33Trade> And in fact the Democratic Party until 1968 was conservative.
[00:36] <Fr33Trade> And when clinton won he ran on a conservative wing.
[00:36] <beeperz> ok, what the fuck are general principals
[00:36] <Fr33Trade> "The new Democrats"
[00:36] <Fr33Trade> They are gone now
[00:36] <Pickle> beeperz: No state will do it. Bush will not be impeached. And the radical
[00:36] <BeReal> quikchaos Hopefully bush puts squeeze on the terrorists till they are all ki
[00:36] <Fr33Trade> they went back to the far wacko left and when you remind people of that,
[00:36] <beeperz> ok, seriously
[00:36] <quikchaos> BeReal: I didn't say it was a nice religion. I am saying it is a religion
[00:37] <BeReal> quikchaos cuz they all deserve to die
[00:37] <beeperz> what have I said that is "radical left"
[00:37] <BeReal> quikchaos no its a cult
[00:37] <beeperz> I'm a democratic moderate, and have voted for various republicans at times
[00:37] <BeReal> quikchaos Americans dont kill innocent people, We dont fly planes into build
[00:37] <Pickle> beeperz: Your desire to see Bush impeached gives you away.
[00:37] <Fr33Trade> It doesnt matter what any individual says, the party is being ran by the
[00:37] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: they're not gone. They're just either a) being shouted down, o
[00:38] <BeReal> quikchaos and we follow the rules of war
[00:38] <beeperz> I never said I wanted him impeached, I want him investigated.
[00:38] <Pickle> Yes, yes.
[00:38] <BeReal> quikchaos terorrists are meaningless, worthless people.. They are born to di
[00:38] <Fr33Trade> And some republicans will probably lose seats this next fall and some des
[00:39] <Pickle> Republicans deserve to lose the House.
[00:39] <Pickle> Twits.
[00:39] <BeReal> Pickle shut up flamer
[00:39] <DiscoTaco> I hope the Democrats capture the House. Then maybe they'll finally be eno
[00:39] <Fr33Trade> Today its the party of the far left, the boxers and pelosis who are extre
[00:39] <DiscoTaco> they'll = there will
[00:39] <quikchaos> BeReal: Why do you think I am defending terrorists? I believe everything
[00:39] <h0mi> yeah that worked really well during the 80s
[00:39] <Fr33Trade> and a press mob following her.
[00:39] <Fr33Trade> She isnt popular in California.
[00:39] <beeperz> The Democrats are a bigger party than two people
[00:39] <BeReal> quikchaos because your trying to tell me to look at things from their point
[00:40] <BeReal> quikchaos they have fucked up brains.... Who knows what the fuck they are th
[00:40] <beeperz> Are you going to say that Tom Delay and Pat Buchanan represent all Republic
[00:40] <Fr33Trade> California Republicans ran lousy extremists against her in the first elec
[00:40] <BeReal> quikchaos They think we are infidels but in reality they are just a mongrel
[00:40] <quikchaos> BeReal: How do you expect to beat them! holy fuck dude!
[00:40] <BeReal> quikchaos with no reason to live
[00:40] <Fr33Trade> And in the 2nd election they ran a complete unknown.
[00:40] <h0mi> the democrats in the 80s controlled the house, and the senate from 86 onward
[00:40] <h0mi> 87 onward
[00:40] <h0mi> under bush's father, we saw deficits surge, not shrink due to "gridlock"
[00:40] <BeReal> quikchaos hopefully my country does it and I dont have to
[00:40] <BeReal> quikchaos because if its up to me were all fucked :P
[00:41] <Pickle> Tom DeLay represents Republicans who defeat Democrats, which is why a Democr
[00:41] <quikchaos> BeReal: I that feeling to... :D
[00:41] <beeperz> lol
[00:41] <h0mi> im skeptical that with this president bush, that he'd "stand up" to democrats
[00:41] <beeperz> yeah blame the democrats not the criminal
[00:41] <Fr33Trade> Pickle, Especially the idiots who put that felony language in the law, ev
[00:41] <BeReal> Id fight for my country.. Just not on foreign soil
[00:41] <h0mi> Fr33Trade- whats the "felony language"? i couldnt really find it
[00:42] <BeReal> Ive never left the country.. I dont intend to..
[00:42] <Pickle> The criminal is the Democratic DA who clearly engaged in malicious prosecuti
[00:42] <h0mi> and i couldnt find out who voted for it.
[00:42] <Fr33Trade> Homi, if the dems win the house it will be 2 years of investigations of t
[00:43] <Fr33Trade> No new refineries, no new oil drilling rigs. Nothing..
[00:43] <h0mi> yeah
[00:43] <h0mi> thats great, cough
[00:43] <Fr33Trade> They dont care about the countries buisnss they just care about personal
[00:43] <BeReal> yea its unfortunate
[00:43] <BeReal> too
[00:43] <Fr33Trade> And Bush has been amazingly nice to the people who have been complete ass
[00:43] <h0mi> the democrats want to avenge whitewater
[00:43] <BeReal> Fr33Trade because bush is a man
[00:44] <US-Male> this is why beeperz is clueless: [00:40] <beeperz> ok, what the fuc
[00:44] <US-Male> oh damn he left
[00:44] <Fr33Trade> Reid praised Bush last week, Once in 2 years of constantly berating Bush
[00:44] <h0mi> not realizing that whitewater was to avenge clarence thomas, john towers, iran
[00:44] <Fr33Trade> The problem is this, most americans are not very political like us, no ma
[00:44] <h0mi> and bork
[00:44] <US-Male> ANyway, beeperz doesn't know what principles are! This is his entire prob
[00:44] <BeReal> In my opinion if you dont support the president get the fuck out of the coun
[00:44] <Fr33Trade> We are a minority of americans who are very politically minded and involv
[00:45] <BeReal> if your not with us your against us
[00:45] <Pickle> BeReal: In my opinion, you're a troll.
[00:45] <h0mi> so when the gop retakes the house, if there's ever another democratic presiden
[00:45] <Fr33Trade> Most americans arent into politics that much, and frankly I wish they wer
[00:45] <Cdr-Don> Pickle your a wanker
[00:45] <Fr33Trade> I think they would support Bush more if they did understand the geopoliti
[00:45] <quikchaos> lol Pickle
[00:45] <US-Male> BeReal: mo-ron
[00:46] <panini> Galbraith died today
[00:46] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: part of the problem is this administration has done an absolut
[00:46] <Swigert> panini: yeah I heard
[00:46] <DiscoTaco> "America good. Iraq bad."
[00:46] <DiscoTaco> OK, well there's more to it than that.
[00:47] <h0mi> this admin has done a piss poor job of defending itself
[00:47] <Pickle> Bush talks to people like they're idiots. There's no sugar-coating that.
[00:47] <h0mi> though part of that is because the attacks on it have, at times, been scurrilo
[00:47] <Fr33Trade> h0mi, Noone doubts that, which is one reason they brought in tony snow.
[00:47] <h0mi> but thos goes back to 2002
[00:47] <Fr33Trade> he can not only speak for the presidents policies he understands them ver
[00:47] <h0mi> this
[00:47] <Fr33Trade> and he understands the issues very much.
[00:47] <DiscoTaco> I thought they brought in Tony Snow so they'd finally have someone with t
[00:48] <quikchaos> Pickle: Unfortunately, most of the ppl he is talking have to hear it like
[00:48] <Fr33Trade> h0mi, the single largest mistake of this administration is a failure to c
[00:48] <US-Male> given the average Democrat we see here, I thnk Bush has to make it simple
[00:48] <Fr33Trade> But people in america dont have much faith in any politicans riht nwo.
[00:48] <Pickle> He understands the issues. Sadly he assumes that his audience not only has
[00:49] <Fr33Trade> Bush is low, COngresss is lower and Blair, Chirac and De Villipin are low
[00:50] <Fr33Trade> I think people are just generally afraid and worried despite the realitie
[00:50] <panini> but Britney Spears is high!
[00:50] <Pickle> Uh-oh, Cdr-Don is trying to ping flood me. I'm in trouble now!
[00:50] <quikchaos> heh
[00:50] <Fr33Trade> Economy is red fucking hot.. on 1/3 of the people feel it. I know it.. Th
[00:50] <US-Male> Dems would have attacked Bush equally, regardless of whatever he did or sai
[00:50] <Fr33Trade> And most economists and investment professionals know it.
[00:50] <US-Male> so there's really no reason for him to second-guess it all
[00:50] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: 5% annual growth isn't nearly as visible as 3-buck-a-gallon ga
[00:51] <US-Male> let's say hypotheticlally that Bush were a wonderful orater --- they trashe
[00:51] <DiscoTaco> So naturally everyone's either in a rage, a panic, or some point on the c
[00:51] <US-Male> and he was a great orator
[00:51] <Fr33Trade> Disco, but it is if anything too high growth for the economy for the feds
[00:52] <DiscoTaco> US-Male: the difference is Reagan's communication skills allowed him to t
[00:52] <Fr33Trade> Because 5% growth in the economy is aabout 6-700 Billion dollars which is
[00:52] <Fr33Trade> which helps pay for the budget
[00:52] <US-Male> DiscoTaco yeah , but during Bush's terms, huge changes have also come about
[00:53] <Fr33Trade> Thoug i wish it went to the deficit and the budget was illegal to raise ;
[00:53] <US-Male> +2 on the Supreme Court
[00:53] <DiscoTaco> US-Male: most of those changes were generated by outside forces. Reagan's
[00:53] <US-Male> Saddam in jail, killed his two sons
[00:53] <US-Male> DiscoTaco: these were also sheer political will
[00:54] <Fr33Trade> Off and on Bush has been a great orator and a lousy one..
[00:54] <Fr33Trade> Seriously he has given some of the best speeches in history and they will
[00:54] <US-Male> DiscoTaco: although it is true that Reagan had an amazing electoral victory
[00:54] <US-Male> which Bush did not manage
[00:54] <US-Male> probably due to speech-gving ability
[00:54] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: his great oratory moments were all pre-written speeches though
[00:55] <Fr33Trade> But he is generally a poor speaker under pressure, probably anxiety and t
[00:55] <Pickle> Hahaha
[00:55] <US-Male> but if giving great speeches gets you a landslide, that just proves that ha
[00:55] <Pickle> BeReal tried to DCC flood me, I was wondering when that'd happen.
[00:56] <DiscoTaco> Bush II is the Shane MacGowan of politics -- very articulate when they ha
[00:56] <US-Male> I mean, I don't care how well a "message is delivered" -- I want to know wh
[00:56] <Fr33Trade> His actions though are what I care most about, some of the stupid things
[00:57] <Fr33Trade> Bush usually avoids that, but on this energy stuff he has fallen prey to
[00:57] <US-Male> it's like buying a car -- I do not want the best salesman! I want the best
[00:57] <CanOfSpam> I want a good salesman to create a sense of value and help me understand
[00:57] <CanOfSpam> <-- Briefly sold cars.
[00:57] <US-Male> not me -- I know the value before I get there
[00:57] <Fr33Trade> Bush should come out and talk about supply and demand and China and India
[00:58] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: spending in general, Medicare prescription drug benefit in par
[00:58] <US-Male> I've already researched it
[00:58] <DiscoTaco> Pushing for higher CAFE standards
[00:58] <Fr33Trade> And Irans Desire to get nuclear bombs has not a damn thing to do with Bus
[00:58] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: or the fact that the stupid energy bill he signed into law nea
[00:58] <CanOfSpam> I liked Clinton. Why? He was the GOP's bitch.
[00:58] <Fr33Trade> This project was newly discoverd by the world to the degree it was going
[00:59] <CanOfSpam> Back when the GOP was worth something.
[00:59] <US-Male> CoS, true
[00:59] <Fr33Trade> and them getting close to a bomb frightens oil speculators.
[00:59] <Fr33Trade> So they drive oil futures up in cost.
[00:59] <US-Male> Clintont pretty much did what we told him to. He just took credit for it l
[00:59] <CanOfSpam> Bush needs to stare down spend-happy congress.
[00:59] <US-Male> "that was mahh ideah"
[01:00] <DiscoTaco> CanOfSpam: there is no indication that he ever will.
[01:00] <Publius> US-Male: lol, good ol slick willy
[01:00] <DiscoTaco> His veto threats have become hollow.
[01:00] <Fr33Trade> Disco, Yeah and how MTBE producers are stopping even though the law requi
[01:00] <Fr33Trade> Even though Congress mandated it.
[01:00] <CanOfSpam> MTBE. The environmentalists giveth, and the environmentalists taketh away
[01:00] <DiscoTaco> Today's engines burn so cleanly that oxygenates are basically pointless.
[01:01] <DiscoTaco> So let's ditch the stupid oxygenate mandate already.
[01:01] <Fr33Trade> ANd really the main reason we are fucked on gas prices is we havent inves
[01:01] <DiscoTaco> CanOfSpam: and the environmentalists fucketh us up the ass once again, an
[01:01] <Fr33Trade> Thats so unbelievable and true its so fucking sick and insane.
[01:01] <US-Male> Publius yeah slick willy drove Repubs nuts
[01:02] <CanOfSpam> the environmentalists are quietly loving the high prices, while their fri
[01:02] <CanOfSpam> Missouri farmers love ethanol. Infiniti fuel injectors and fuel pumps do
[01:02] <US-Male> he would sign bills AND say they were terrible, at the same time !
[01:02] <Fr33Trade> COS, absolutely
[01:02] <Fr33Trade> They arent contractors who carry tools who have to drive.
[01:02] <Fr33Trade> They arent Truckers..
[01:02] <CanOfSpam> The federal government better send me a $2000 check for the fuel system o
[01:02] <US-Male> which drove many Repubs absolutely batshit
[01:02] <Fr33Trade> They are fucking paper pushers.
[01:02] <CanOfSpam> I used to have an ethanol-free station I enjoyed.
[01:02] <Fr33Trade> People who can commute to work n mass transit.
[01:03] <Fr33Trade> i wish I could.
[01:03] <DiscoTaco> CanOfSpam, your Infiniti should handle a 10% blend just fine.
[01:03] <CanOfSpam> disco: Nope.
[01:03] <DiscoTaco> my GTX is on the verge of death.
[01:03] <Fr33Trade> if only the press would eduate the people.
[01:03] <DiscoTaco> CanOfSpam: yep.
[01:03] <Fr33Trade> most peopel dont know how little has been invested in america in energy
[01:04] <CanOfSpam> 10% ethanol will take 60-80k to kill the injectors, but ethanol-free driv
[01:04] <DiscoTaco> It came from the factory equipped to handle 10% ethanol blend, which was
[01:04] <CanOfSpam> Nissan fuel systems are trash. You can fart and an injector would fail.
[01:04] <Fr33Trade> which provides americans jobs, revenue spin off jobs and spin off busines
[01:04] <Fr33Trade> Stupid...
[01:04] <CanOfSpam> Ethanol eats the the injector coils.
[01:04] <CanOfSpam> Ive experienced a half dozen injector failures myself, along with many ot
[01:05] <CanOfSpam> Folks in Georgia and other MTBE and ethanol-free areas dont have these pr
[01:05] <DiscoTaco> *sigh*
[01:05] <DiscoTaco> gotta blown head gasket on my car
[01:05] <DiscoTaco> have to put radiator fluid in every week
[01:05] <CanOfSpam> Is it a Cadillac Seville?
[01:06] <DiscoTaco> can't afford to replace the piece of crap, and I'm not about to spend $60
[01:06] <CanOfSpam> oh the mazda
[01:06] <DiscoTaco> yep, the GTX
[01:06] <DiscoTaco> I guess that's what happens when you cram 15 pounds of boost into the eng
[01:06] <Fr33Trade> Disco, No way your a rich conservative with a 2005 Mercedez Benz who driv
[01:06] * Curnero is now known as SpINners
[01:06] <Fr33Trade> Sterotypes are so fun ;)
[01:07] <CanOfSpam> I heard he ate baby seals.
[01:07] <Fr33Trade> ahh I better get some sleep tonight 3:30 in the morning last night workin
[01:07] <Fr33Trade> Goodnight.
[01:07] <DiscoTaco> Fr33Trade: of course the only way I could afford that Benz was because of
[01:07] <Johan}> OMG..thanks for the article pickle
[01:08] <CanOfSpam> lol
[01:08] <Pickle> I've never had a problem with E10, although I've had so many other problems
[01:09] <Pickle> I'm debating whether I will use E10 with my Mazda3 though.
[01:09] <CanOfSpam> the hoses and pumps on american cars can handle ethanol, usually
[01:09] <DiscoTaco> Pickle: it shouldn't be a problem
[01:09] <Johan}> the al Quads Brigades will give the go-ahead for more than 50 terrorists cel
[01:09] <SpINners> you
[01:09] <CanOfSpam> Japanese gasoline is cleaner, so some of the cars exported here (back in
[01:09] <Pickle> DiscoTaco: I'm just glad I live in a region where I can make that decision.
[01:10] <Pickle> As opposed to having the shit mandated as a gas additive.
[01:10] <DiscoTaco> Pickle: the primary difference is you'll get slightly better mileage with
[01:10] <Pickle> DiscoTaco: Yeah. That I did notice with the Sunfire.
[01:11] * Publius http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/c17689.htm <-----2005 terrorism report
[01:11] <CanOfSpam> I went from 13mpg to 15mpg switching from Phillips 66 E10 to Amoco Ultima
[01:12] <Johan}> Publius : I m sorry for berating you earlier, bro
[01:12] <DiscoTaco> just what I need is for my car to be dying right as I plan to plunge a hu
[01:12] <Publius> Johan: lol, I didn't take it personally
[01:13] <Johan}> Publius : That s what happens to me when I talk about Iran
[01:13] <wilp> what trees have white bark?
[01:13] <CanOfSpam> buying a yacht?
[01:13] <Pickle> The ethanol-blend outfit here gives you a deal on CAA auto club membership f
[01:13] <DiscoTaco> going to law school
[01:13] <wilp> CanOfSpam, no, landscaping
[01:13] <CanOfSpam> awesome
[01:14] <wilp> what trees have white bark?
[01:14] <DiscoTaco> and I need every penny I can get. My car couldn't be dying at a worse tim
[01:14] <CanOfSpam> If you were a UAW worker, you'd buy a yacht, and other things you couldnt
[01:14] <CanOfSpam> I would have sold you my BMW, Maxima, and last Q45 for dirt cheap.
[01:14] <DiscoTaco> Should have kept the damn Porsche. By the time I dumped all that money in
[01:14] <CanOfSpam> I ended up selling the Maxima for $100 to a friend.
[01:15] <wilp> CanOfSpam, last I heard the non-unionized Toyota plant workers made more than
[01:15] <CanOfSpam> 5-speed, AC worked, had an MP3 cd player
[01:15] <DiscoTaco> I'm looking to pick up a cheap E30 325
[01:15] <DiscoTaco> 5-speed
[01:15] <[brent]> i'm stuck with my medium mileage gas car until it's dead, there was a waiti
[01:15] <wilp> Birch Tree
[01:15] <CanOfSpam> I just sold my E34 5-speed. Was a sweet car, but I didnt need it.
[01:15] <wilp> what else?
[01:15] <Pickle> There's no longer a waiting list for the Prius but Toyota goes out of its wa
[01:16] <CanOfSpam> I wonder how much last-gen Priuses are going for now
[01:16] <CanOfSpam> and Insights
[01:16] <Pickle> No sales apply to it and the interest rate they'll give you for one sucks as
[01:16] <wilp> Pickle, I want a 1998 Corolla
[01:16] <CanOfSpam> like the car from OFfice Space
[01:16] <[brent]> i want back my 1986 Cressida ;p
[01:16] <CanOfSpam> I
[01:17] <DiscoTaco> CanOfSpam: speaking of which, I still can't believe that dickhead sold th
[01:17] <DiscoTaco> That was 3 years ago. I'm still pissed about it.
[01:17] <CanOfSpam> I let my last Q45 go for $950. I tried to fix the AC and made it worse, a
[01:18] <Pickle> COS: I've only ever seen exactly one used Prius for sale within a hundred mi
[01:18] <CanOfSpam> I still cant believe I paid only $1300 for this one, with a rebuilt trans
[01:19] <Pickle> Hybrid Civics here go as soon as they reach the lot.
[01:19] <CanOfSpam> I like the Civic HX. Its not attention whorish.
[01:21] <DiscoTaco> That's the big reason they don't sell as well as the Prius.
[01:21] <DiscoTaco> The Prius is a rolling statement.
[01:21] <wilp> The Pentagon spent $600 for a toilet seat and $400 on a hammer - www.senate.go
[01:21] <wilp> DiscoTaco, real greens buy Insights
[01:21] <[brent]> i want one of those toilet seats if it's the guy with water spray
[01:21] <[brent]> lol
[01:21] <DiscoTaco> Honda hybrids (except the Insight) do their business quietly, which means
[01:21] <CanOfSpam> Insights are better to drive anyway, weighing less than a back of potato
[01:21] <CanOfSpam> bag
[01:21] <Pickle> They sell pretty good. I never did get to see one--whenever one would come
[01:22] <Pickle> Hybrid Civics, that is.
[01:22] <CanOfSpam> I saw an Escape Hybrid at Ace Hardware last month.
[01:22] <wilp> CanOfSpam, Insights are great highway cars, you get 70 mpg at 85 mph
[01:22] <DiscoTaco> Pickle: my guess is nowadays just about any hybrid will sell.
[01:23] <Pickle> On the other hand, the Smart dealer seems to have a glut of those things.
[01:23] <sintient> Salt grass, coal hybrid?
[01:23] <Pickle> And having test drove one I can understand why.
[01:23] <DiscoTaco> they sell Smarts up there?
[01:23] <Pickle> Yep, the Smart Fortwo
[01:23] <DiscoTaco> hmm, I didn't know they had made it to North America
[01:23] <CanOfSpam> My dad refuses to sell me his '92 Civic Vx. Last time I drove it to Portl
[01:23] <sintient> IS anyone going to remake the dimaxian car?
[01:24] <sintient> 92 civic costs like 1000 dollars maybe.
[01:24] <Pickle> DiscoTaco: They still aren't rated for the US, but they've been selling in C
[01:24] <CanOfSpam> He and his wife already have 5 cars, including a toyota truck, caravan, s
[01:24] <sintient> 2000 would be doing the owner a favor.
[01:24] <CanOfSpam> except the ones in shit shape.
[01:24] <wilp> CanOfSpam, Insights weigh more than Lotuses
[01:24] <CanOfSpam> wilp: Yes
[01:25] <DiscoTaco> Pickle: they probably won't be rated for the US any time soon.
[01:25] <Pickle> But I don't like it. There's just stupid things wrong with it, like the (ti
[01:25] <sintient> When are the lithium ion battery hybrids coming out?
[01:26] <wilp> Pickle, for $10 from a junk yard you could buy a big old sun visor and install
[01:26] <Pickle> wilp: Yeah, but that's just one of a number of little things that turned me
[01:26] <M_Martian> Well that's strange... wasn't wilp on dialup.mindspring earlier today?
[01:27] <M_Martian> I can't keep up sometimes.
[01:27] <wilp> the VW GOLF TDI gets about 50 mpg
[01:27] <CanOfSpam> yeah, but then you have to deal with VWisms
[01:27] <Pickle> One neat thing about Smart cars, though, is that they get lots of looks and
[01:28] <Pickle> Talk about making a statement.
[01:28] <wilp> like what VWisms?
[01:28] <CanOfSpam> FAlling apart.
[01:28] <M_Martian> Hey, CoS... you finally get some free time?
[01:28] <CanOfSpam> Hey Martian, yeah. Semester is finally done
[01:28] <CanOfSpam> not travelling as much
[01:28] <M_Martian> With good results?
[01:28] <wilp> Newer VWs are pretty reliable
[01:28] <CanOfSpam> full time job starting monday though
[01:28] <M_Martian> Or at least good enough results?
[01:28] <CanOfSpam> pretty good results, I'd say
[01:28] <M_Martian> w00t!
[01:29] <CanOfSpam> VWs are about as reliable as a marriage to a stripper.
[01:29] * M_Martian informs SonOfSpam of his new child support opportunity.
[01:29] <Pickle> My girlfriend really wants a New Beetle
[01:29] <CanOfSpam> granted, the diesel versions tend to be more dependable than their gas co
[01:29] <Pickle> TDI
[01:30] <M_Martian> Reliability seems to be a crap shoot between models, years of said model,
[01:30] <wilp> I want a Corolla, reliable, and nearly as good gas mileage is the Civic with m
[01:31] <M_Martian> I drive a 1978 ford that runs pretty great... leaks a little oil if you r
[01:31] <M_Martian> A ford ffs.
[01:31] <CanOfSpam> The Corolla is nicer to drive, which is unusual for a Toyota.
[01:32] <wilp> corollas are cheap to insure too
[01:32] <M_Martian> Your mom is cheap to insure.
[01:33] <M_Martian> Oh SNAP!
[01:33] <M_Martian> I mean... um... hi.
[01:33] * M_Martian runs away
[01:34] * M_Martian sets mode: +disintegration Earth
[01:34] <wilp> Corporate Welfare for the sugar industry cost Americans $1.7 trillion over 10y
[01:35] <CanOfSpam> But everyone loves sugar
[01:35] <CanOfSpam> M I RITE?
[01:35] <M_Martian> wilp... how exactly has it cost us 170 billion a year?
[01:36] <wilp> M_Martian, tax dollars in subsidies and protectionism causing higher prices at
[01:36] <wilp> M_Martian, why are you against free trade?
[01:36] <M_Martian> wilp... well that article seems to be talking about tax breaks.
[01:37] <M_Martian> Letting them keep their own money isn't costing me a dime.
[01:37] <panini> yes, we need to kill the sugar subsidy
[01:37] <wilp> M_Martian, the same tax rate should apply to all competitors so we have a leve
[01:37] <wilp> M_Martian, why are you against fair competition?
[01:38] <M_Martian> wilp... why do you think I'm not?
[01:38] <CanOfSpam> LOL, http://ghengis.sean.googlepages.com/girlpunch.jpg
[01:38] <panini> it's pure protectionism, and has no place in a free market
[01:38] <M_Martian> Because I doubted your claim I'm somehow against freetrade? Talk about a
[01:38] <wilp> M_Martian, well you seem to favor some form of socialism given the issues you
[01:39] <wilp> panini, yes, it has no place in a free market
[01:39] <CanOfSpam> MMartian is also against puppies.
[01:39] <M_Martian> I never said I support or oppose the tax breaks... I just said the articl
[01:39] <wilp> CanOfSpam, and kittens
[01:39] * M_Martian kicks puppies and eats kittens.
[01:39] <M_Martian> And don't get me started about AZNs.
[01:39] * M_Martian stares at CanOfSpam
[01:39] <M_Martian> :P
[01:40] <wilp> M_Martian, in case you have not studied macroeconomics protectionism tends to
[01:40] <M_Martian> But I'd take 10 AZNs to any ukrainian.
[01:40] <M_Martian> !
[01:40] <wilp> M_Martian, which costs all of us
[01:40] <panini> Alfonso is a lifelong Democrat whose clout is so great that Bill Clinton onc
[01:41] <wilp> M_Martian, why do you want to raise consumer costs?
[01:41] <M_Martian> wilp... I could see that as a trend, generally, but to come up with a spe
[01:41] <M_Martian> I don't buy this idea of it costing some general 'us' 170 billion a year.
[01:42] <klutz> hello
[01:42] <M_Martian> It might be a bad idea for other reasons, but that particular claim sound
[01:42] <wilp> M_Martian, well you could go down to your local research library and read a se
[01:42] <M_Martian> wilp... you aren't able to defend the idea yourself?
[01:42] <klutz> not as well as the journals no doubt
[01:42] <wilp> M_Martian, my understanding is that the academic studies estimate similar cost
[01:42] <M_Martian> You have to refer me to take some research project to get your drift?
[01:43] <klutz> whats wrong with refreneces
[01:43] <klutz> references*
[01:43] <klutz> just gotta name them ..
[01:43] <M_Martian> wilp... well the link you posted didn't seem to be based on some complex
[01:43] <M_Martian> It seemed to be talking about the 'cost' of letting them keep their reven
[01:44] <wilp> M_Martian, the study in my article is from the GAO, the authors are profession
[01:44] <M_Martian> Seemed far more direct than the indirect and abstract concept you seem to
[01:44] <klutz> I just got here whatd I miss
[01:44] <wilp> M_Martian, GAO = An independent nonpartisan federal agency that acts as the in
[01:44] <CanOfSpam> Im gonna play capitalism II, and in theory go to bed after that
[01:44] <klutz> gl2u
[01:44] <wilp> M_Martian, United States Government Accounting Office
[01:44] <M_Martian> wilp... thanks for the civics lesson... but I'm already caught up on that
[01:44] <M_Martian> ;)
[01:45] <wilp> M_Martian, the study in my article is from the GAO, the authors are professio
[01:45] <wilp> M_Martian, otherwise you are merely quibbling
[01:45] <M_Martian> You seem to want to dodge and weave and do anything possible to avoid bac
[01:46] <M_Martian> But I won't hold that against you.
[01:46] <M_Martian> :D
[01:46] <klutz> Any fool can tell the truth, but it requires a man of some sense to know how
[01:46] <klutz> - Samuel Butler
[01:47] <klutz> what is the topic
[01:47] <wilp> M_Martian, I dont think academic citations are appeal to authority fallacies
[01:47] <klutz> M_Martian: whats the case
[01:47] <M_Martian> Fortunately for you, I'm not too big on anti-competitive government progr
[01:48] <M_Martian> Just seemed an odd claim to such a specific figure of how much a tax brea
[01:48] <wilp> M_Martian, the study in my article is from the GAO, the authors are profession
[01:49] <arg3> "the mine"? gold mine? :)
[01:49] <klutz> you're just repeating yourself
[01:50] <M_Martian> Maybe I'm just annoyed when people try to present a tax break as a cost t
[01:50] <klutz> these have to be bots
[01:50] <klutz> who types like that really
[01:50] <arg3> hehe
[01:51] <wilp> M_Martian, well it is a cost bcos others have to make up the difference in the
[01:51] <M_Martian> wilp... some of the most respected economists think an economy is doomed
[01:52] <wilp> M_Martian, Why going back to the gold standard is a stupid idea: http://www.hu
[01:52] <M_Martian> Plenty of well respected economists are on both sides of that debate.
[01:52] <arg3> klutz: people who master english perfectly can sometimes use their skills to
[01:53] <wilp> Polls that I read have shown the vast majority are against it
[01:53] <M_Martian> Well polls are even less useful for a discussion.
[01:53] <[brent]> i dunno some people write officially for work or school
[01:53] <klutz> bots don't outshine you they just make a fool of you
[01:53] <[brent]> i like to type all lower and quickly
[01:53] <M_Martian> Popularity is rarely related to being correct.
[01:53] <[brent]> f grammar
[01:53] <klutz> true that
[01:54] <wilp> M_Martian, well it shows consensus forming
[01:54] <klutz> I like to talk in all caps, I'm just too stupid and lazy.
[01:54] <M_Martian> wilp... consensus forming around a bad idea doesn't make the bad idea bet
[01:54] <M_Martian> Just means that the bad idea will be more likely to be carried out.
[01:54] <arg3> thats why I rarely discuss things in this channel...my english is way inferior
[01:55] <[brent]> lol? :P
[01:55] <M_Martian> Popularity of a view has little to nothing to do with it being a good or
[01:55] <arg3> and it can make a big difference sometimes when u dont choose the proper word
[01:56] <klutz> you can always resay things
[01:56] <klutz> to explain
[01:56] <wilp> M_Martian, if 90% of economists believe in economic policy A over economic pol
[01:56] <M_Martian> wilp... it gives it better odds... but it isn't a guarantee.
[01:56] <wilp> M_Martian, nothing is guaranteed 100%
[01:57] <baaba> but of course YOU know better than those professional economists
[01:57] <arg3> have done that....guess what happens then?...people say im trying to..umm we
[01:57] <baaba> right?
[01:57] <M_Martian> If history has shown us anything, it has shown us that sometimes the lone
[01:58] <e-Hernick> wilp: if 80% of americans believe in jesus theory A, which states that je
[01:58] <M_Martian> Tell me 90% of experts in a field say this is correct... and I'll ask why
[01:58] <baaba> e-Hernick: stupid analogy
[01:58] <baaba> because those people have nothing but their blind faith
[01:59] <e-Hernick> baaba: you're speaking about the vast majority of americans here, educate
[01:59] <baaba> these professional economists have done collective empirical research
[01:59] <baaba> on the matter
[01:59] <arg3> baaba: not totally stupid...there is something in that analogy
[01:59] <wilp> e-Hernick, I think metaphysical phenomenons can't be objectively measured
[01:59] <e-Hernick> baaba: are you accusing the vast majority of americans of being wrong?
[01:59] <baaba> i'm saying they have only their faith to rely on
[01:59] <M_Martian> Popularity doesn't impress me... it just doesn't have anything to do with
[01:59] <baaba> no empirical research
[01:59] <e-Hernick> wilp: are you saying that economic modelisation isn't metaphysical, and t
[02:00] <e-Hernick> I mean, "consumer confidence", doesn't that mean "faith" ?
[02:00] <baaba> i'm not going to say their faith is right or wrong, everyone has the right to
[02:00] <M_Martian> Sometimes it does... but it's not a fact. And views shouldn't be based o
[02:00] <baaba> but it's pure blind faith with no empirical research, no proof
[02:01] <wilp> e-Hernick, I think markets are more a construction of human behavior towards s
[02:01] <e-Hernick> baaba: I agree. No economist understands the market - it is too complex,
[02:01] <baaba> this however, is based on examining patterns in economics and analysing them
[02:01] <baaba> e-Hernick: har har har
[02:01] <baaba> go away if you're only capable of petty wordplay
[02:01] <e-Hernick> I'm not kidding. If somebody understood the market, he would play it and
[02:01] <e-Hernick> And some people do have a limited understanding of the market and they do
[02:01] <arg3> baaba: do you think economists always do the whole research by themself...or
[02:01] <baaba> you know as well as i do that that was directed toward religious people
[02:02] <baaba> not the professional economists
[02:02] <klutz> i think this channel is a buncha crap
[02:02] <klutz> with all that flooding those bots do
[02:02] <e-Hernick> klutz: I think that you're a sack of shnitzels
[02:02] <DiscoTaco> boo hoo. There's the door.
[02:02] <[brent]> i can't really keep up but i wanted some new places to lurk that actually h
[02:02] <[brent]> so they are really bots? ;p
[02:03] <baaba> arg3: no they have not done all the research themselves, however they underst
[02:03] <baaba> you don't have to do research to understand it
[02:04] <e-Hernick> baaba: wrong again. I'm talking about economists here. All I'm saying is
[02:04] <baaba> however that does not invalidate them completely
[02:04] <e-Hernick> they certainly bring a useful service to society
[02:05] <baaba> obviously they don't have perfect understanding, however they do have a highe
[02:05] <klutz> i don't know what those are.
[02:05] <e-Hernick> baaba: not necessarily. Some of them misunderstand the market, and damage
[02:05] <baaba> some yes
[02:05] <wilp> e-Hernick, misunderstand is not a word
[02:06] <baaba> but that's why there are lots of them
[02:06] <arg3> baaba: yes they do...but they dont know if the results are based on empirical
[02:06] <baaba> and why they collaborate
[02:06] <e-Hernick> wilp: I think you're thinking about misunderestimate
[02:06] <klutz> this is rediculous.
[02:06] <e-Hernick> wilp: cause misunderstand is present in 19 dictionaries http://www.oneloo
[02:06] <wilp> e-Hernick, scientists observe and use the scientific method in much the same w
[02:06] <wilp> e-Hernick, my mistake
[02:07] <M_Martian> wilp -> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/misunderstand
[02:07] <wilp> M_Martian, my mistake
[02:07] <baaba> e-Hernick: do you think that empirical study is worthless and brings no more
[02:08] <klutz> faith isnt information
[02:08] <e-Hernick> baaba: I believe that the scientific method is not applicable to most stu
[02:08] <baaba> why not?
[02:08] <arg3> there is a lot of psycology involved
[02:08] <e-Hernick> baaba: there are so many factors and variables, and it is impossible to i
[02:09] <baaba> i'm not saying anyone has perfect understanding or all the factors down
[02:09] <baaba> however they have very good approximations
[02:09] <e-Hernick> baaba: wrong, they don't have very good approximations.
[02:09] <baaba> which is what all scientific study boils down to in the end
[02:09] <e-Hernick> baaba: any economist who has very good approximations of future market be
[02:09] <baaba> they do have very good approximations
[02:10] <baaba> compared to john doe
[02:10] <klutz> sure, but faith doesn't seem like information as much as maybe, an emotion.
[02:10] <arg3> no the have inside information compared to john doe... :)
[02:10] <wilp> e-Hernick, one of my economic profs was a daytrader and quite rich
[02:10] <SpINners> FLA<ERS
[02:10] <SpINners> laor ?
[02:10] <e-Hernick> baaba: also, the study of economics is not hard science, and it doesn't u
[02:11] <SpINners> Butt lickers!
[02:11] <SpINners> My butt ICHES./. lick it!
[02:11] <e-Hernick> wilp: this applies to a minority of economists, though.
[02:11] <[brent]> ok!
[02:11] <baaba> it studies the flux of events and their relations to eachother
[02:11] <SpINners> this sucks
[02:11] <SpINners> I wanted to be on EFnet
[02:11] <SpINners> damnit
[02:11] <klutz> you are.
[02:11] <baaba> you are?
[02:11] <SpINners> I am?
[02:11] <baaba> yes
[02:11] <M_Martian> You are on efnet ya jackmonkey
[02:11] <klutz> indeed
[02:11] <SpINners> oh worng window
[02:11] <SpINners> HAHA
[02:12] <arg3> HAHA
[02:12] <klutz> That made me a believer. sorry bout the bots comments
[02:12] <e-Hernick> I would say that economists are people who claim a greater knowledge of m
[02:12] <SpINners> shoot
[02:12] <SpINners> well good thing I didnt spam as much as I wanted to
[02:12] <SpINners> I already got 4 other proxys banned tonight
[02:12] <klutz> wow thats still rediculous to type all that yellin about politics isn't it
[02:12] <SpINners> dont need to ban this one too
[02:12] <klutz> yeah i'm on like 4 too spinners
[02:13] <SpINners> Lol
[02:13] <M_Martian> SpINners... no worries... your current one is normally banned.
[02:13] <SpINners> dude I spammed allnitecafe for like 30 minutes straight before I got banne
[02:13] <SpINners> ha
[02:13] <klutz> surprised this one is okay still
[02:13] <SpINners> M_Martian: noo!
[02:13] <M_Martian> Someone must have accidentally cleared it off the shitlist.
[02:13] <SpINners> M_Martian: my proxys are paid for though
[02:13] <M_Martian> You're in luck for at least a few minutes.
[02:13] <SpINners> M_Martian: not illegal ones
[02:14] <SpINners> M_Martian: I cant connect to irc without them
[02:14] <klutz> CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- A man who spent 12 years in prison
[02:14] <klutz> for murder before new DNA testing exonerated him last year was killed in a
[02:14] <klutz> hit-and-run as he walked on the city's South Side.
[02:14] <M_Martian> Paying for proxies so you can spam irc is just fucking retarded... at lea
[02:14] <klutz> who pays for this?
[02:14] <SpINners> M_Martian: no the ops in that channel were asses to me I dont spam irc
[02:14] <SpINners> M_Martian: just that channel.. never this one this channel rules
[02:14] <M_Martian> Christ... a hollywood flic would be more entertaining than that kind of a
[02:14] <klutz> klutz (klutz@nigga.done.stole.my.bigwheels.us) (United States of America
[02:15] <klutz> free of charge!
[02:15] <SpINners> M_Martian: anyways im going afk now anyways so im just gonna idle here un
[02:15] <M_Martian> at 4am on a saturday night (sort of) nobody cares too much
[02:16] <SpINners> yea and my manager from work just called me
[02:16] <arg3> heh
[02:16] <klutz> peace
[02:16] <M_Martian> Pesky managers.
[02:16] <SpINners> I was like wtf.. shes like 'wheres the party at' I was like 'i dont know b
[02:16] <arg3> its 11.16 here....im full of energy :)
[02:16] <SpINners> shes probably all coked out so shes full of energy so I dont really wanna
[02:16] <M_Martian> meh... afk here too... naptime...
[02:17] <arg3> spinners talking to me?
[02:17] <arg3> oh sorry didnt read
[02:17] <SpINners> arg3: nope sorry
[02:18] <SpINners> arg3: im going bye-bye now =)
[02:18] <arg3> ok...i just read the energy part of your sentence hehe
[02:19] <arg3> and since i mentioned "energy" i thought....well never mind...sweet dreams
[02:19] <SpINners> arg3: oh yea I see alright you too.. night
[02:20] <arg3> so the americans are sleepy now...good...how about discussing how bad the ira
[02:20] <arg3> what a mistake it was :)
[02:21] <arg3> ahh...just won this discussion on walkover :)
[02:21] <[brent]> i'm unamerican feel free
[02:21] <arg3> whats your local time?
[02:21] <[brent]> about 5:20am (EST)
[02:21] <arg3> then u are more or less american :)
[02:22] <[brent]> i'll die first...and take some people i never met with me!
[02:22] <[brent]> oh wait um
[02:22] <[brent]> i just live here, though
[02:23] <arg3> heh figured that
[02:23] <[brent]> looking to move to Vancouver in a few years
[02:23] <[brent]> after Bush is finished ha
[02:23] <arg3> oh yeah...do u have any relatives in canada?
[02:24] <[brent]> no, but that's where the party's at! coming from West Virginia, wanting a b
[02:24] <arg3> hollywood is out of the question?
[02:25] <[brent]> yeah really wanting to leave the states, know some people in Vancouver, and
[02:25] <[brent]> besides...Arnold?
[02:26] <arg3> raves...u into electronical music?
[02:26] <[brent]> i like most of it, but drum and bass is what i like the best
[02:26] <arg3> not trance?
[02:26] <[brent]> going to see Breakage in June
[02:27] <arg3> amsterdam arena is the place to be man...50000 dressed in white
[02:27] <[brent]> trance would be about 3rd/4th but i don't know nearly as much about it
[02:27] <[brent]> stuff like Tiesto, Sasha
[02:27] <arg3> cause u aint living in trance mecka...and that would be europe :)
[02:27] <[brent]> yeah i saw a Trance Energy party documentary and it looked damn nice
[02:28] <arg3> tiesto rules...
[02:28] <[brent]> i just have a few random cds and mixes for trance, but i have almost the wh
[02:28] <arg3> I wanted to go to this years tranceenergy...they had a good lineup...but no f
[02:28] <[brent]> yeah but raves in the states have gone downhill during Bush admin.
[02:28] <[brent]> i can't name the state, but it was midwest...
[02:29] <[brent]> they shut down a party with full SWAT teams and helicoptors
[02:29] <[brent]> destroyed most cams and vids
[02:29] <[brent]> beat people up
[02:29] <[brent]> there was maybe a 2 minute video that leaked
[02:29] <[brent]> as if they were coming in on a terrorist organization's secret meeting
[02:29] <[brent]> so no way i'm just going to move to Hollywood
[02:30] <arg3> do u really think the republican domination has anything to do with music?...i
[02:30] <[brent]> no but i'm saying they are crazy about stopping people from having dance pa
[02:31] <arg3> well same thing here in sweden....they do raid parties sometimes....cuz there
[02:31] <[brent]> there was some law enacted that made it so you didn't have to have a real r
[02:32] <[brent]> near me now is only 1 party per year and that's because the guy in charge i
[02:32] <arg3> but swat teams...thats a little bit...well...to much....they werent looking fo
[02:32] <klutz> wheres the video brent
[02:32] <klutz> u got?
[02:32] <[brent]> part of the money goes to a park it's held in and the military
[02:32] <[brent]> i'd have to ask around it was last year
[02:32] <klutz> oh
[02:33] <[brent]> it had people dancing, the dj area, then someone talking about helicoptors,
[02:33] <[brent]> very short
[02:34] <klutz> surprised theres cams at the rave
[02:34] <arg3> [brent] many european DJ´s perform in the states as well...Tiesto did a tour
[02:34] <klutz> i suppose theres a few to film the djs huh
[02:34] <[brent]> yeah you can take that stuff in here unless they are worried about reporter
[02:34] <arg3> i always bring my digicam...it can record video 30fps and sound
[02:34] <[brent]> phones doing it makes it harder to stop anyway
[02:35] <[brent]> the party i'm going to that doesn't get shut down is Starscape and they don
[02:35] <[brent]> might not even check bags
[02:35] <[brent]> oh nos ravers with backpacks danger danger
[02:35] <klutz> hah
[02:36] <arg3> well i guess the security issue is different in the states with more guns amon
[02:36] <[brent]> eheh they will have police standing around, though
[02:36] <[brent]> i haven't been to any undergound style parties since the 90s
[02:36] <[brent]> most everything gets closed down now permits in order or not
[02:37] <[brent]> but yeah i'm not at all concerned about the next president or what this cou
[02:37] <arg3> i have a nice shot of an outdoor party in sweden...the area is wonderful for a
[02:37] <[brent]> yeah for me most things are nicer in europe :P
[02:38] <Publius> sigh
[02:38] <arg3> can send it to u if u dont have any firewall problems
[02:38] <[brent]> it should work. my only problem is opening FTP ports
[02:38] <arg3> [brent]: it depends on what you like i guess
[02:44] <arg3> i had a break between 98-2004....kinda felt older....but now its not as under
[02:45] <arg3> here they arrange cruise trips in the sea between sweden and finland and inv
[02:46] <[brent]> older hehe i'm almost 30
[02:46] <arg3> im 33
[02:46] <[brent]> wicked
[02:48] <arg3> yeah...one of my first memories was prodigy with the son Charlie.....I was a
[02:48] <arg3> son=song
[02:49] <arg3> that was ´91
[02:49] <[brent]> a lot of people hate the scene now, or just the people and parties
[02:49] <[brent]> i'm the same...like it better almost
[02:50] <[brent]> you just can't even hear it in clubs here
[02:50] <[brent]> have to travel for hours each way
[02:50] <arg3> well its not what it used to be...but you cant really expect things to remain
[02:50] <[brent]> and forget about decent rock concerts
[02:51] <[brent]> we had motley crue last
[02:51] <[brent]> v funny
[02:51] <arg3> wouldnt know anything about rock concerts...that interest stopped as electron
[02:51] <arg3> i used to like kiss
[02:51] <[brent]> oh i've gotten huge into indie rock, not counting more popular bands like R
[02:52] <arg3> but at that time you couldnt come across music as easy as now with mp3 and int
[02:52] <arg3> at first
[02:52] <[brent]> yeah mp3s are crazy now
[02:53] <[brent]> i admit to my piracy...but i do my best to be a consumer
[02:53] <[brent]> it can be good promotion
[02:53] <[brent]> i don't want to play the radio station or watch MTV
[02:53] <arg3> i dont do my best....i think the prices are way to gigh
[02:53] <arg3> higjh
[02:53] <arg3> high
[02:53] <[brent]> well yeah i was considering vinyl, djing...but people keep warning me about
[02:53] <klutz> pay for shows
[02:53] <klutz> :D
[02:54] <klutz> they're where its at with any good band anyway
[02:54] <[brent]> yeah that's the first thing i can do, go to shows
[02:54] <[brent]> but spending thousands a year on music isn't in my budget atm
[02:54] <[brent]> dvds come first with me
[02:55] <arg3> i think the musicians earn more from selling the music than from the shows.
[02:55] <[brent]> yeah there's a lot of argument in defense of piracy
[02:55] <[brent]> some of these people are like if the ExxonMobil guy came out and complained
[02:55] <[brent]> shoot i wish i could steal gas
[02:56] <[brent]> it's all pay first around here lol
[02:56] <arg3> id gladly pay if it wasnt that expensive...im actually considering to pay for
[02:56] <[brent]> but with some vinyls you are paying about $12 for 1 song you wanted out of
[02:56] <[brent]> and yeah sure you can buy mp3s for $2-3
[02:56] <[brent]> ...but uh...
[02:58] <arg3> maybe u have heard of http://www.digitallyimported.com/
[02:58] <arg3> if not check it out its awesome...
[02:58] <[brent]> that's another thing i don't like the idea of radio much unless some guest
[02:58] <arg3> u can lsiten to the music for free but at lower bitrate
[02:58] <[brent]> i have loads of unheard music to sift through to find the good stuff...stuf
[02:59] <arg3> they have guest dj´s
[02:59] <[brent]> but even when i heard XM or Sirius, one of the two, had put up a station fo
[02:59] <[brent]> i still wouldn't want it
[02:59] <arg3> and they have playlists and stuff and people can vote for various mixes...so u
[02:59] <[brent]> sounds nice, though
[03:00] <arg3> im not talking about real radio...internet radio...there is no talking...:)
[03:01] <[brent]> but you can't skip over tracks hehe
[03:01] <arg3> and with capturing software u can recorde the bitstream...and chose to record
[03:03] <arg3> http://www.digitallyimported.com/ has a drum and bass section...
[03:04] <arg3> with 24/7 drumm and bass
[03:04] <[brent]> but i'm a 24 hour dnb station!
[03:04] <[brent]> ha
[03:04] <arg3> heh ok i rest my case
[03:08] <arg3> dont listen so much to drum and bass...
[03:08] <arg3> its interesting for sure but several consecutive songs kinda bores me out....
[03:09] <arg3> do u like ambient?
[03:12] <arg3> seen the video?
[03:12] <[brent]> i like some ambient yeah let me check your vid
[03:14] <[brent]> v nice, good quality too
[03:14] <arg3> yeah pretty good for a digital photo camera
[03:15] <arg3> the sound was good like they had speakers everywhere in the trees
[03:15] <arg3> but it consumes memory like crazy
[03:16] <arg3> that clip was very short but almost 60mb
[03:16] <[brent]> as for dnb most of the good stuff you have to dig up or know what to look f
[03:17] <arg3> this was recorded in 30fps.....i have another clip which is only 16fps...but t
[03:17] <nomin-> hello
[03:17] <[brent]> v nice camera for sure
[03:17] <arg3> this is a small island actually...there used to be a prison there
[03:17] <nomin-> indians are more capable
[03:18] <[brent]> yeah i like indians, too
[03:18] <nomin-> indians knwo more stuff than you
[03:18] <[brent]> lol
[03:18] <nomin-> lol
[03:18] <nomin-> rofl
[03:18] <nomin-> lol
[03:18] <nomin-> fofl
[03:18] <[brent]> lmao
[03:18] <Hparcore> oh boy...
[03:18] <nomin-> lmao
[03:18] <Hparcore> whats the deal in here
[03:19] <Hparcore> did someone take this channel yet?
[03:19] <nomin-> lmfao
[03:19] <Hparcore> haha.
[03:19] <nomin-> lol
[03:19] <[brent]> it was the indians
[03:19] <nomin-> rofl
[03:19] <nomin-> americans are the best
[03:19] <Hparcore> the indians are super rich off of gambling? haha, good for them.
[03:19] <[brent]> i'll have to sit that one out nomin sry
[03:19] <Hparcore> they have enough mammon now to buy usa back.
[03:19] <[brent]> ha
[03:20] <arg3> <[brent]...yeah i guess that goes for all kind of music.....there is a lot
[03:20] <nomin-> we USA people are definitley the superior ones. We own the world.
[03:20] <Hparcore> nomin, why so arrigant?
[03:20] <DiscoTaco> because he knows how to spell too.
[03:21] <Hparcore> we own the world? really?
[03:21] <nomin-> We are the best. We definitely are the ones that control world pollitics.
[03:21] <Hparcore> do you realize what would happen if usa invaded iran?
[03:21] <nomin-> we are super smart.
[03:21] <Hparcore> actually if you read the scripture usa represents mystery babylon.
[03:21] <Hparcore> nahhh.
[03:21] <nomin-> we own this bitch of a world.
[03:22] <Hparcore> super stupid. we have neocon 4th reich nazi the bushtler in office.
[03:22] <[brent]> i dunno see
[03:22] <[brent]> sometimes i want to go Nazi on a bunch of people
[03:22] <nomin-> we are big pussies and we need oil and gas, and we have lots of money.
[03:22] <Hparcore> and he was not voted in by the people. it was a scam election or better "s
[03:22] <[brent]> yeah i believe that bit
[03:23] <[brent]> both times
[03:23] <Hparcore> in other words your vote does not count
[03:23] <[brent]> and i didn't vote ;]
[03:23] <Hparcore> electronic voting machines?
[03:23] <Hparcore> yummy
[03:23] <nomin-> I am a dumbass. I am wrong.
[03:23] <[brent]> read something about that in the paper
[03:23] <[brent]> in testing...ack
[03:23] <nomin-> I have been wrong for a long time.
[03:23] <nomin-> I am a dumbass.
[03:23] <nomin-> I have been wrong for so long.
[03:24] <[brent]> sing it for us
[03:24] <nomin-> I see things differently.
[03:24] <nomin-> I see things in a different light.
[03:24] <arg3> sight disorder? :P
[03:24] <nomin-> I tend to see things in a wrong light.
[03:24] <Hparcore> well, whatever buddy
[03:24] <nomin-> I sing a sad song.
[03:24] <Hparcore> time keeps ticking anyway
[03:25] <nomin-> Who cares?
[03:25] <Hparcore> usa is turning into an electronic prison.
[03:25] <[brent]> you should put it on itunes
[03:25] <Hparcore> I do.
[03:25] <arg3> [brent] do u have anything from ´92 ´93?
[03:25] <nomin-> fuck it. Just go die somewhere.
[03:25] <[brent]> i have a bunch of "hardcore/rave"
[03:25] <[brent]> one carl cox mix i got recently
[03:26] <Hparcore> actually usa is truning into the new nazi germany. "where are your papers?
[03:26] <[brent]> all that housey kind of breaks from 90-94 before it started changing toward
[03:26] <nomin-> usa is dead
[03:26] <arg3> there is as ong with a wird name...like suck-my-dang-along.....there is a samp
[03:26] <nomin-> I cannot help you
[03:26] <[brent]> Hparcore: i'm surprised all that hasn't happened yet
[03:26] <[brent]> i remember reading about people being trained for checkpoints
[03:26] <nomin-> I would like to, but I cannot
[03:26] <Hparcore> right.
[03:26] <nomin-> we are dead
[03:26] <Hparcore> exactly
[03:26] <Hparcore> check points. what a ficken joke.
[03:27] <nomin-> welcome to the new USA
[03:27] <Hparcore> it will burn.
[03:27] <nomin-> the "master plan" of cheney and folk"
[03:27] <Hparcore> cheney is a queer.
[03:27] <nomin-> let me go away for a while
[03:27] <[brent]> i dunno queers have better aim
[03:27] <Hparcore> I hear is sucks it at bohemian grove while he worships molock.
[03:27] <arg3> [brent] got some music in 98...roni size...heard of him?
[03:28] <nomin-> take the godamn train to new york
[03:28] <nomin-> otherwise, dont talk shit
[03:28] <[brent]> yeah his 97ish stuff is classic, but since then his label's track picks and
[03:28] <[brent]> but it's the sound he and his reprazent "band" go for
[03:28] <Hparcore> and what was that crap about him shooting his buddy while hunting?
[03:29] <arg3> in that time mp3 was just a weird name for most people....almost felt like a n
[03:29] <[brent]> check this out...the guy i'm very glad to be able to see in June
[03:29] <Hparcore> cheney shot his "buddy" just for shits and giggles.
[03:29] <nomin-> this channel is shit anyways
[03:29] <nomin-> right?
[03:29] <Hparcore> ehhh this channel use to be bush only.
[03:29] <arg3> think one song or album is called brown paperbag
[03:29] <Hparcore> seems things have changed here hopefully.
[03:29] <nomin-> I will get kicked soon
[03:30] <Hparcore> ehhhh so
[03:30] <arg3> maybe the republicans are sleeping now and the unemploeyd liberals are awake :
[03:31] <Ife> hehe
[03:31] <arg3> [brent] this second video is shot in lower quality...and it gets blurry as i t
[03:33] <arg3> but u get the idea...very nice place to have an outdoor party on
[03:33] <arg3> it was free too...
[03:43] <Byrd> ewfsdkfsd
[03:44] <elninio> i knew it!!!
[03:45] <Byrd> what?
[03:45] <elninio> ewfsdkfsd, of course
[03:46] <Byrd> AAhh, that is russian !
[03:46] <elninio> only one vowel?
[03:46] <elninio> cool language :)
[03:47] <Byrd> eahhh nice...
[03:50] <Byrd> what mean '+' before your nick ?
[03:52] <elninio> it meanes were "voiced", meaning that we can talk and others that have noth
[03:52] <elninio> thats what 'sets mode: +v Timur-' means
[03:52] <Timur-> hai asl
[03:53] <Timur-> and such
[03:53] <Byrd> ok I understand
[03:57] <Byrd> than what mean '@' before some nick's
[03:57] <elninio> that means those people are 'ops', meaning they control this channel and ar
[03:58] <Byrd> thank, i'm new in IRC
[04:00] <Byrd> One more question, I want to improve my English, what is the best channel for
[04:02] <Ife> heh
[04:02] <elninio> im not sure, maybe #newbies
[04:02] <Ife> depends on what kinda of english you want I suppose
[04:03] <Ife> just keep on talking with english speaking people
[04:03] <Ife> in whatever channel you are in..
[04:04] <Ife> it will come natually eventually
[04:04] <Byrd> you are right
[04:04] <Ife> yea that is a secret though
[04:04] <Byrd> :)
[04:05] <Ife> irc is a place you can get lost in
[04:10] <Byrd> Do you talk about politic there sometime?
[04:12] <elninio> yeah i come here to talk about politics too
[04:14] <elninio> what do you think about president bush?
[04:15] <Byrd> i am?
[04:15] <elninio> you are?
[04:15] <elninio> hehehe, nice to meet you mr president :)
[04:16] <Byrd> ohhh nothing because he far away from place were i live
[04:16] <elninio> thats cool, how are things were you are?
[04:17] <Byrd> im sorry what mean "how are things were you are?"
[04:18] <elninio> what is it like there?
[04:19] <Politik> So yeah the Council on Foreign Relations...
[04:20] <Timur-> yay
[04:20] <Politik> `426Hemi isn't around?
[04:20] <Timur-> CFR owns.
[04:20] <elninio> i saw an interview with a cfr person on tv the other day, they said they wi
[04:21] <Politik> elninio, oh yeah because the CFR has absolutely no sympathisers in governme
[04:24] <SpINners> Clarissa1: why are you sending files?
[04:24] <SpINners> Clarissa1: dont dcc me
[04:27] <Timur-> CFR is pseudo-governmental anyway
[04:28] <Timur-> and is generally right on
[04:30] * larry_ is now known as larryone
[05:14] <Null_Ptr> BEIJING (AP) - A Chinese businessman has bought a MiG-21f plane from a U.S
[05:20] <SpINners> erhm... What?
[05:21] <SpINners> ^ excuse me wrong channel ^
[05:37] <gopp> Andy Garcia is urging fashion-conscious rebels to stop wearing T-shirts emblaz
[05:37] <ThomasWT> Iran needs to go to HELL and God Bless the Nations that does it
[05:37] <Linus-> who selects the emcee for the wh press assoc annual dinner?
[05:37] <gopp> I saw the movie with andy garcia yesterday
[05:37] <gopp> Linus- that shit was funny
[05:37] <gopp> Linus- bush has a funny side to him, see he don't get offended
[05:38] <Linus-> ThomasWT, how would you characterize iran-syria relationship?
[05:38] <gopp> Unlike gore or kerry they have no character
[05:38] <Linus-> i don't find colbert very funny
[05:38] <ThomasWT> Linus- : Solid
[05:38] <gopp> Linus- wtf, he was totaly funny
[05:38] <Linus-> ThomasWT, even though opne is sunni and one is shiite?
[05:38] <Linus-> predominantly
[05:38] <gopp> so what, every one said he was funny Linus
[05:39] <ThomasWT> Linus- : they are solid allies cause Hezbollah is Shiite
[05:39] <Linus-> gopp, i only caught a bit of it; I'm saying in general the colbert report is
[05:39] <Linus-> ThomasWT, that seems like unlikely bedfellows
[05:40] <Linus-> but in a sense its a good thing regarding any potential large-scale civil wa
[05:40] <`426Hemi> all religious differences are put aside when united against a common enemy
[05:40] <Timur-> Colbert's generally good, but I don't think he was that funny with Bill Kris
[05:40] <ThomasWT> Linus- : they are linked together cause Syria has the Chemical Weapons and
[05:41] <Linus-> i was pondering how the scenarios could unfold if an iraqi civil war became
[05:41] * JuneGONE is now known as JuneNY
[05:41] <Linus-> Timur-, his fake persona seems forced at times, to me anyway
[05:42] <Timur-> yeah, sadly
[05:42] <ThomasWT> Linus- : Iran will provoke a Civil War and Iran in provoking a Civil War w
[05:42] <Timur-> maybe a bit of a complex re: Stewart
[05:42] <Timur-> t
[05:42] <Katey> Linus-, heh. Of course it's forced. :)
[05:42] <Linus-> well, what I'm wondering is what ducks would line up in what rows if sunni-s
[05:42] <Katey> it's supposed to be forced, imo
[05:42] <Katey> that's part of the joke
[05:42] <Linus-> well, i can't force myself to laugh at it
[05:43] <`426Hemi> it wouldn't be much different than it already is in Pakistan/India
[05:43] <Linus-> i liked his pieces on the daily show
[05:43] <Katey> He's riffing off of Bill O'Reilly
[05:43] <Linus-> but i find an entire half hour of him to be wearing
[05:43] <`426Hemi> Shia blowing up Sunni mosques, Sunni blowing up shia mosques
[05:43] <Katey> It's the joke that keeps on giving. :)
[05:44] <Linus-> `426Hemi, i meant would syria step in to support iraqi sunnis; and would ira
[05:44] <`426Hemi> Syria might try to restore a Baathist regime
[05:44] <Linus-> Quit: going to the O'Neals Meeting House?
[05:45] <Linus-> i suppose he likes leaving us with a shady persona
[05:45] <`426Hemi> Linusi think you would see Kurds stuck in the middle with both sides tryin
[05:45] <Linus-> fortunately, the kurds geographically aren't in the middle
[05:45] <Linus-> that would really be bad
[05:45] <`426Hemi> kid of they are
[05:46] <`426Hemi> Kurdistan extrends from Iran, though turkey/Iraq and in to parts of Syria
[05:46] <Linus-> ive heard/read reports of kurdish leaders meeting w/ israeli operatives, as
[05:46] * `426Hemi nods
[05:47] <`426Hemi> i've heard/read the same reports
[05:47] <Linus-> but one never hears much about syrian-iranian relationship
[05:47] <`426Hemi> Kurds are pretty secular really
[05:47] <Timur-> one doesn't?
[05:47] <Linus-> and if the cards are down, where would their loyalties lie
[05:47] <Timur-> I do, by reading Israeli sources
[05:47] <Timur-> and sometimes the BBC even
[05:48] <Linus-> i never hear reports of syrian-iranian summits or diplomatic mtgs
[05:48] <Timur-> I do
[05:48] <Publius> the loyalities would ultimately lay in Iraq
[05:48] <`426Hemi> Syria and Iran have met many many times diplomatically
[05:48] <Linus-> well, enlighten me
[05:48] <`426Hemi> and have formed a semi loose alliance with each other
[05:48] <Linus-> Publius, that said nothing
[05:48] <Timur-> http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20050216-115948-5925r.htm
[05:48] <Timur-> loose, my ass
[05:48] <Timur-> Iran funds and trains and equips Hezbollah via Syria
[05:49] <`426Hemi> basically they haev stated "to be more cooperative" in tackling issues in
[05:49] <Publius> Linus: just in general..the kurds sunni and shiites in Iraq would remain lo
[05:49] <Publius> lol
[05:49] <Publius> but I'm just saying
[05:49] <Timur-> www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,147764,00.html
[05:49] <`426Hemi> Timur, yes, but as i said, only in fighting a "common enemy"
[05:49] <Timur-> and even dailystar.conm.lb has stuff
[05:49] <`426Hemi> if there was no common enemy, all bets are off
[05:50] <Politik> `426Hemi, do you know who Averall Harriman is?
[05:50] <Linus-> see, that's what i haven't been able to quite get a grasp on... the fact tha
[05:50] <`426Hemi> Politik i have heard of the name but don't recall from what
[05:50] <Timur-> don't think so, because, again, Iran relies on Syria to fund/train/equip it
[05:50] <Politik> `426Hemi, He and Prescott Bush ran the Harriman bank that help send funds t
[05:50] <Timur-> with or without a common enemy, it's about Iran having money and Syria not,
[05:50] <Politik> `426Hemi, He was also very good friends with Josef Stalin
[05:51] <Linus-> i mean, didn't the baathists in iraq have an 8 year no holds barred war with
[05:51] <Timur-> Iraq != Syria
[05:51] <Politik> `426Hemi, You'll see a photo of him on the Council on Foreign Relations web
[05:51] <`426Hemi> Politik, Prescott Bush had business dealings with germany that wasn't ille
[05:51] <Linus-> Politik, and this has what to do with the current conversation?
[05:51] <Linus-> oh christ, is this another nwo implant?
[05:51] <`426Hemi> Politik is that freakin retard from the otherday "EndtheNWO
[05:51] <Politik> `426Hemi, it was illegal during the war when he did it...and thats why the
[05:52] <Publius> Linus: ((groan))
[05:52] <Politik> `426Hemi, Averall Harriman helped fund, and was good friends with Josef Sta
[05:52] <Publius> haha
[05:52] <Timur-> hooray for the NWO and CFR
[05:52] <Politik> `426Hemi, and there he is on your beloved CFR website as a founder.
[05:52] <`426Hemi> Politik, there is no evidence that this bank had any dealings with Germany
[05:52] <Linus-> Politik, did you call into washington journal this morning?
[05:52] <Publius> FDR was buddies with Stalin...
[05:52] <Timur-> hooray for Averell Harriman
[05:52] <Publius> so fucking what..my god
[05:52] <Linus-> quit letting this bloke hijack the threads
[05:52] <Publius> k
[05:53] <Politik> `426Hemi, so why did they close the bank down under the "Trading With The E
[05:53] <Linus-> Timur-, iraq!=syria isn't enlightening me
[05:53] <Timur-> anyway, Iran and Syria are very much allied
[05:53] <Linus-> the common thread is baathist and sunni and secular
[05:53] <Timur-> Linus: already posted two links, besides commenting on
[05:54] <Timur-> which is a purely domestic policy on their part
[05:54] <Linus-> excuse me for wanting to engage you in conversation
[05:54] <Linus-> damn, get some sleep or something
[05:54] <Timur-> no problem :)
[05:54] <Timur-> I just got up! damn!
[05:54] <Linus-> then sleep less!
[05:54] <Timur-> aaa!!!!!!!
[05:54] <Timur-> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/22/opinion/fenton/main675330.shtml
[05:54] <Timur-> another decent summary
[05:54] <Timur-> man, breakfast was good
[05:54] <Linus-> did tyou sdee who's on fox news sunday?
[05:55] <Linus-> good gawd, they're the admin cheerleading team
[05:55] <Linus-> new wh chief of staff and tony!
[05:55] <Timur-> nah
[05:55] <Linus-> Timur-, did dan rather contribute to that story!!!??? ;)
[05:55] <Timur-> I need to start slowly
[05:56] <Publius> Timur: any 2006 almanac recommendations?
[05:56] <Timur-> Linus: not afaik. ;)
[05:56] <Linus-> sell!
[05:56] <arg3> playboy
[05:56] <Timur-> Pub: like.. which publisher?
[05:56] <Linus-> your almanac
[05:56] <SpINners> yawn
[05:56] <Linus-> your 2005 one
[05:56] <Publius> Timur: just a good almanac. I'm heading over to borders in a few
[05:56] <Timur-> hm..
[05:56] <Timur-> farmer's :)
[05:57] <Publius> ok...
[05:57] <Linus-> now i have got to ask this: is anyone stupid enough to buy those coin sets t
[05:57] <Linus-> 60 uncirculated quarters for $99!
[05:57] <Timur-> hell no
[05:57] * Publius brb
[05:57] <Linus-> woohoo!
[05:57] <`426Hemi> hehehe Linus
[05:57] <Linus-> but i see them offering them all the time
[05:57] <SpINners> Linus-: but they come with a coin collector case!
[05:58] <Linus-> its hands down the biggest ripoff percentage wise of anything they sell
[05:58] <Timur-> plus you get this 18 karat gold necklace.
[05:58] <Linus-> SpINners, I'm there!
[05:58] <SpINners> and certificate of authenticity! So you now you get every pennys worth!
[05:58] <Linus-> :)
[05:58] <Timur-> send $19.95 to PO Box 324, Golden, CO
[05:59] <Linus-> the pitch i heard this morning was "If you get one drop of oil from a human
[06:00] <Linus-> and you're getting 60 this one time price of $99.99
[06:00] <Linus-> retail $600!
[06:00] <Linus-> roflmao
[06:00] <Linus-> wc fields was right apparently
[06:00] <SpINners> if I could sell 60 quarters for 100 bucks id do it too
[06:00] <SpINners> cant balme em
[06:01] <SpINners> *blame
[06:01] <Linus-> SpINners, my question is: who buys them?
[06:01] <Linus-> someone must
[06:01] <SpINners> grandmas
[06:01] <Linus-> they keep selling these worthless sets
[06:01] <SpINners> buy them for their grandkids
[06:01] <Linus-> i have a 1976 bicentennial proof set of every coin minted with the S designa
[06:01] <Yankee27> I once bought a silver dollar for $5.
[06:01] <Yankee27> but it was made in 1878
[06:02] <`426Hemi> Politik here is an interesting little deal for you
[06:02] <Linus-> these sets they're selling aren't even proof
[06:02] <Linus-> Yankee27, i throw those in wishing ponds
[06:02] <Linus-> ;)
[06:02] <Linus-> j/k
[06:02] <`426Hemi> http://frankkryder.com/thyssen.htm <--- whats the date say on that?
[06:02] <Yankee27> heh
[06:02] <`426Hemi> August 1 1941?
[06:02] <Linus-> one coin i always found intriguing was the steel pennies
[06:02] <`426Hemi> the war didn't start until December 7th 1941
[06:02] <Linus-> penny
[06:02] <arg3> Linus-: id sure like to see your expression if u got 60 quarters as a gift.
[06:03] <`426Hemi> US involvment i should say
[06:03] <Linus-> arg3, ha!
[06:03] <Linus-> i would try my damdest not to grimace and comment
[06:03] <arg3> :)
[06:04] <Linus-> i like opening gifts away from the giver
[06:04] <Linus-> :)
[06:04] <Linus-> my sarcastic remarks slip out, even for gifts i like
[06:04] <arg3> haha i know what u mean...:)
[06:04] <Linus-> and sarcasm never hits the mark properly with an entire audience ;)
[06:05] <SpINners> unless you know how to captivate the crowd
[06:05] <Linus-> frankly, I'm very cycnical about how jaded the whole act of giving gifts has
[06:05] <SpINners> =)
[06:05] <Linus-> man, i have typo dyslexia
[06:06] <Linus-> secretary's day! good god, gimme a break
[06:06] <`426Hemi> Harriman served President Franklin Roosevelt as special envoy to Europe, a
[06:06] <Linus-> another hallmark fabrication
[06:07] <Linus-> now, a reak holiday would be something like Incestuous Stepfather's Day
[06:07] <Yankee27> got to go to work
[06:07] <Linus-> real
[06:07] <Timur-> too bad they didn't allow in the refugees.
[06:07] <arg3> Linus: yeah heh i can be pretty sarcastic too....
[06:07] <Linus-> To my Step-Dad/Significant Ogre
[06:08] <Linus-> Thanks for wearing the condom!
[06:08] <`426Hemi> Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and
[06:08] <Linus-> someone shoot me
[06:08] <SpINners> on the back (j/k i took it off half-way through)
[06:08] <Linus-> that sounded too close to an LL joke ;)
[06:08] <Linus-> SpINners, har
[06:08] <`426Hemi> Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal when Hitler declared war on the U
[06:09] <SpINners> Linus-: how come u keep going from op to not an op?
[06:09] <Linus-> ive never been opped here
[06:09] <SpINners> Linus-: oh your name is orange if you say my name.. I get it
[06:09] <Linus-> or any other channel (that i didn't start)
[06:09] <`426Hemi> The assets were held by the government for the duration of the war, then r
[06:09] <Linus-> i founded the channel #spineless
[06:10] <Linus-> it lasted 3 days
[06:10] <`426Hemi> looks like your story is a bit fubar there Politik, try sticking to the fa
[06:10] <Linus-> 426, Politik isn't responding
[06:10] <`426Hemi> s'up Sting
[06:10] <Timur-> Sting, re
[06:10] <Linus-> `STINGRAY, suck it
[06:10] <Linus-> :)
[06:10] <Linus-> up
[06:10] * MissLaVey dances
[06:10] <Timur-> hah
[06:10] <SpINners> years ago on dalnet i made a channel "yakchat" and it actually became a ch
[06:10] <SpINners> I was mad
[06:10] <Linus-> i wasn't shooting at YOU, MissLaVey
[06:10] <SpINners> not relaly tho cuz some lamer had it and was happy with it
[06:11] <MissLaVey> say what?
[06:11] <`426Hemi> There are unsubstantiated rumors concerning Prescott Bush's associations w
[06:11] <Linus-> the dancing can stop
[06:11] <MissLaVey> noooooo.
[06:11] <Linus-> if its on account of my poor aim!
[06:11] <`STINGRAY> timur heya
[06:11] <`STINGRAY> lupine hahaha
[06:12] <Linus-> sometimes i feel like my comments go over like dennis millers on MNF
[06:12] <`STINGRAY> timur brb
[06:12] <Timur-> k
[06:12] <Linus-> quit whacking off oldtimer
[06:12] <Linus-> youll be ircing by braille
[06:12] <`426Hemi> heh Linus, well lag for one, 2, of course he won't respond, its to factual
[06:12] <Linus-> `426Hemi, just checking!
[06:13] <Linus-> the kennedies and the bushes
[06:13] <Linus-> shady connections in early 20th century
[06:13] <Lupine> well, I do not know about the Bush story.. but I read an e-mail that said H
[06:13] <Linus-> but hell, who in that era didn't have some shaky ties?
[06:13] <Linus-> Lupine, wtf cares?
[06:14] <Linus-> that's not exactly aiding and abetting
[06:14] <Lupine> linus: it was a joke :P
[06:14] <`426Hemi> they weren't shadey one bit really
[06:14] <Linus-> phew!
[06:14] <Timur-> and the plural of Nazi is Nazis.
[06:14] <Timur-> Nazi's means 'of the Nazi'
[06:14] <`426Hemi> no one knew that Hitler was going to be so ambitious
[06:14] <Linus-> Timur-, lmao
[06:14] <Timur-> yeah, right.
[06:14] <Linus-> you're still on that one
[06:14] <`426Hemi> hell you want to talk about shadey connections? look at FDR and Stalin
[06:14] <Timur-> no one knew. The issue of Lebensraum and the German concept of manifest dest
[06:15] <arg3> Linus: heh Incestuous Stepfather's Day.....have some childhood memory to shar
[06:15] <Linus-> clinton was the shadiest one of his lineage
[06:15] <Timur-> except that was one of the main points of his rhetoric
[06:15] <Lupine> timur: especially when you consider the post-mortum publication of Mein Kamp
[06:15] <Linus-> he had no post-industriual era or mafia ties the poor bloke!
[06:15] <Lupine> NO ONE NEW!!
[06:15] <Timur-> Linus: you know I just taught 4th grade, and they were learning 'plurals'..
[06:15] <Timur-> Lup: right. :p
[06:15] <Lupine> plural's
[06:16] <Linus-> Timur-, kids don't know jack shit about spelling, grammar, or syntax :(
[06:16] <Linus-> despite the increased emphasis on the amt of hrs on lang arts
[06:16] <Timur-> Linus: these kids did.. in 4th grade, the appropriate grade level
[06:16] <Linus-> arg3, you lagged?
[06:16] <Timur-> then again, the median income here is $75K
[06:16] <Linus-> Timur-, glad to hear someone is learning
[06:17] <Linus-> my school's tuition is like $6k!
[06:17] <arg3> Linus-: im talking to my cousin on msn.....and my brains sux at multitasking
[06:17] <Linus-> I'm hoping our new principal will clean this mess up
[06:17] <Linus-> when i began here 5 years ago, the very 1st thing i observed was the alck of
[06:18] <Linus-> it was horrific
[06:18] <Timur-> dang
[06:18] <Linus-> arg...h!
[06:18] <Linus-> but thanks for noticing!
[06:18] <Linus-> i thought it was quite funny at the time i typed it :)
[06:18] <Timur-> they just voted down a township wide budget, based on a $200 or so per house
[06:18] <Timur-> it'd be liike $6K/household
[06:19] <Linus-> what would be like $6k?
[06:19] <Timur-> the property tax per household.
[06:19] <Katey> holy crap
[06:19] <Linus-> wouldnt it depend on value?
[06:19] <Katey> that's a lot of dough
[06:19] <Linus-> hell yeah, but not if the house is $800k
[06:20] <td-> you know your country is at war, when the president does this
[06:20] <td-> http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060430/480/dchg11104300356;_ylt=AmXJPl7D3_fLP5AmgF6
[06:20] <rond> Gov Perry is trying to push through a property tax decrease, 1/3 less of schoo
[06:20] <Timur-> right
[06:20] <Linus-> they are gonna spend 4-8 million on an intersection here in an unincorporate
[06:20] <Timur-> the avg house here is worth $500K
[06:21] <rond> that will give me a 300 per month raise in my new house
[06:21] <Linus-> intersects a residential street
[06:21] <Linus-> Timur-, can't touch a home here for 500k :(
[06:21] <Linus-> not even a fixer
[06:21] <Linus-> it's redonculous
[06:21] <rond> at the moment my new house will cost me 11,500 per year in property taxes
[06:21] <Lupine> I would have loved to pay $6k total property taxes
[06:21] <Linus-> damn, that's high
[06:21] <Timur-> Linus: where're you again?
[06:22] <Linus-> contra costa
[06:22] <Linus-> cracker section :)
[06:22] <`426Hemi> yah know it would be nice if the government who issues these taxes, would
[06:22] <Timur-> ah ok
[06:22] <Linus-> in the land of personal batting coaches for 8 year olds
[06:22] <Linus-> paid
[06:22] <arg3> property tax.....are u getting more socialist than sweden :)
[06:23] <Linus-> more than tutors
[06:23] <td-> LONDON - Former Secretary of State Colin Powell advised President Bush before t
[06:23] <Linus-> Timur-, i ever tell you of the time when i was in college, applying for a tu
[06:23] <Linus-> and i spelled it tudor?
[06:23] <Linus-> rofl!
[06:23] <arg3> there are discussions of removal of property tax here
[06:23] <`426Hemi> man how the hell does td- keep getting off my damn ignore list
[06:24] <Linus-> shrug
[06:24] <`STINGRAY> when linus filled out a job application where it says eyes he put 2 where
[06:24] <Linus-> i have to find a new place though :(
[06:24] <Linus-> i love the town I'm in and doubt i'll find a comparable rental price-wise he
[06:25] <Linus-> `STINGRAY, at least i have the hair!
[06:25] <`STINGRAY> linus live with an old lady in a shoe
[06:25] <arg3> linus: what town do u live in
[06:25] <`STINGRAY> linus so dont i cry havac has no hair
[06:25] <Linus-> as long as its not one of my shoes
[06:25] <Linus-> arg, um, I'm sorry
[06:25] <Linus-> i don't go THAT far
[06:26] <`426Hemi> ahhh i see
[06:26] <Linus-> this isn't myspace
[06:26] <`STINGRAY> timur brb
[06:26] <Linus-> and I'm not posing as a 14 year old horny girl for dateline!
[06:26] <Linus-> Timur-, are you `STINGRAY's babysitter?
[06:27] <arg3> Linus-: oh i see u are in some kind of witness protection program...dont wo
[06:27] <Linus-> when you find out his name, message me!
[06:27] <Linus-> hopefully he's rich
[06:27] <Katey> lol
[06:28] <Katey> what a bizarre conversation
[06:28] <Linus-> bazaar
[06:28] <Linus-> words... cheap!
[06:28] <arg3> ok....but i want a piece of the lawsuit action.....say 15%...deal?
[06:29] <Linus-> arg3, ok, just to clarify: a) it was a joke, and b) it was completely basele
[06:29] <`426Hemi> The California State Senate has endorsed Monday's nationwide boycott by il
[06:29] <`426Hemi> Voting along party lines, the Democratic Senate majority approved a resolu
[06:29] <Linus-> argmund freud
[06:30] <Linus-> `426Hemi, that makes me sick
[06:30] <Linus-> to be a dem
[06:30] <Linus-> sigh
[06:30] <`426Hemi> The Golden State legislators said the action will teach Americans a lesson
[06:30] <`426Hemi> "It's one day ... for [illegal] immigrants to tell the country peacefully,
[06:30] <`426Hemi> niiiiiiice
[06:30] <arg3> ok let me clarify: a) I was being ironic b) i´ll continue with it :)
[06:30] <Linus-> idiots, it was wilson, the republican senator/governor who brought them in,
[06:30] <`STINGRAY> nemes hey bro
[06:30] <`426Hemi> Democrat Sen. Gil Cedillo compared the plight of illegal aliens to slaves,
[06:30] <`426Hemi> "America wouldn't have been created without illegal action," said fellow D
[06:31] <Linus-> arg3, how can it be "ironic?"
[06:31] <Nemes> afternoon `STINGRAY
[06:31] <Linus-> isn't irony comparing reality to expectations and finding them conflicting?
[06:31] <arg3> lemme think
[06:31] <`STINGRAY> nemes same to you
[06:31] <Linus-> literally!
[06:32] <praxis9> I think I lost my friggin' taco again.
[06:32] <Linus-> i hate when renowned tv journalists use literally incorrectly
[06:32] <arg3> cant irony be implying something thats not true just to joke?
[06:32] <Linus-> "theyve literally run this issue into the ground"
[06:33] <Linus-> irony isn't usually intended
[06:33] <Linus-> imo
[06:33] <arg3> when i joke about the stepfather...it sounds like i didnt understand that it
[06:34] <Linus-> maybe you're correct though
[06:34] <Linus-> ive always defined it as something that occurs and is disparate from expecta
[06:34] <Linus-> i am surprised to see sarcastic as a synonym for ironic
[06:35] <arg3> well in that case the word irony is often missused...because i hear about pp
[06:35] <Linus-> now i know that ironic and coincidence are often interchanged incorrectly
[06:35] <`426Hemi> man that was a REALLY bad joke on Miami Vice, The big guy "Michael Talbot"
[06:35] <`426Hemi> Talbot then says "Every now and then I try to put in a hard one"
[06:35] <`426Hemi> hahahhaha
[06:36] <Linus-> it appears you are correct
[06:36] <Linus-> and i have learned something new today :)
[06:36] <Linus-> I'm off the clock early!
[06:37] <Linus-> although I'm still not sure i would classify what you said as ironic ;)
[06:37] <Linus-> more like provocational ;)
[06:37] <Linus-> provocative
[06:38] <Linus-> provocational? is that a word?
[06:38] <Linus-> let's ask the decider
[06:39] <Linus-> 1.a. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite
[06:39] <Linus-> 2.a. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs
[06:39] <Linus-> we're both correct
[06:39] <Timur-> provocative.
[06:40] <Timur-> provocational would be 'the quality of being provocative'
[06:40] <Linus-> rarely used i bet
[06:40] <Linus-> generally reduced to "being contrary"
[06:40] <Timur-> provocative is more common, sure
[06:41] <Linus-> provocational, synonym: bitchy ;)
[06:41] <Timur-> how often does one need to say 'the quality of being provocative' when provo
[06:41] <arg3> Linus: to me irony is when some circumstances play a bad joke on you....you
[06:41] <Linus-> arg, yes that's definition 2
[06:41] <Linus-> that's always been my understanding of it
[06:42] <Linus-> it seems sarcastic and ironic, definition 1, are just about identical
[06:43] <VemoD> Irony is when you get a brand new acoustic guitar...the same day fedex delive
[06:44] <arg3> well...if many people redifine an original definition...then the original defi
[06:44] <VemoD> That was my week ;)
[06:44] <Linus-> vemo, that's what most people accept as the definition of irony
[06:44] <Linus-> but it isn't the primary definition apparently
[06:45] <VemoD> Or "The gods playing a trick"
[06:45] <VemoD> hehe
[06:45] <Linus-> or just dumb luck
[06:46] <Linus-> but definitely ironic, and not coincidental
[06:46] <VemoD> I wasn't really following...whats the other definition of irony?
[06:46] <Linus-> i hate when people use ironic for coincidences
[06:46] <VemoD> Or the primary?
[06:46] <Linus-> The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to t
[06:46] <Linus-> basically, sarcasm without condescension :)
[06:47] <arg3> linus: ok...well i never said u were wrong...just that i have heard many ppl u
[06:47] <`426Hemi> niiiiiice, Federal regulations on drilling for more access to natural gas
[06:47] <arg3> i rarely use the word sarcasm..it sounds kinda mean :)
[06:48] <Linus-> no, i implied you were wrong ;)
[06:48] <Linus-> and then pointed out that you were correct
[06:48] <arg3> you looked it up in a dictionary? :)
[06:48] <Linus-> see, i never thought of sarcasm as necessarily mean-spirited
[06:48] <Linus-> yes
[06:48] <VemoD> I'd use the word sarcasm for that...unless the whole "bad" is "good" thing li
[06:48] <Linus-> but ive found conflicting info within the same site
[06:49] <VemoD> But thats just slang...
[06:49] <arg3> well thats good...many people argue without checking out facts to be absolut
[06:49] <Linus-> i see sarcasm as biting, yes, but i use it with sincere hopes that the recip
[06:50] <Timur-> foibles.. good word, that
[06:50] <Linus-> caustic remark, sarcasm, satire are listed as the closest synonyms of irony
[06:50] <Linus-> Timur-, because i can't spell idiosyncracies
[06:50] <Linus-> or can I?
[06:51] <Linus-> i guess foibles are more action oriented
[06:51] <Linus-> and idio- is more like traits
[06:51] <arg3> well....sarcasm can be use to somehow make fun of other people pointing out
[06:51] <arg3> or superior
[06:52] <`426Hemi> http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/index.htm
[06:52] <Timur-> yes u can!
[06:52] <Linus-> ok, you make the call: sarcasm or irony? I say to a student who's out of his
[06:53] <VemoD> I'm not sarcastic to people...its just my thing, I've always disliked it. Bu
[06:53] <Linus-> i know one thing: it's damn effective!
[06:53] <Linus-> vemo, that's an interesting point
[06:54] <Linus-> is it sarcasm if it isn't aimed at another?
[06:54] <`426Hemi> i am so sick of the stupid media and their making shit up as they go along
[06:54] <arg3> so when any person is exposed to a sarcastic comment that person always ask h
[06:54] <`426Hemi> Bush didn't ignore calls for more troops, he listened to his generals
[06:55] <Linus-> arg3, i know that all too well!
[06:55] <`426Hemi> his generals said they didn't need MORE troops, and he agreed with them
[06:55] <Linus-> for years, i found out after the fact, a co-worker of mine resented me for o
[06:55] <Linus-> she is a CA native
[06:55] <Linus-> i was raised in PA
[06:56] <arg3> Linus- so a general advice would be to avoid sarcasm as much as possible
[06:56] <Linus-> we gave each other shit there as friendly gesture!
[06:56] <Linus-> it's part of the fabric of northeastern US lives
[06:56] <arg3> unless the other person has the same sense of humour
[06:57] <Linus-> well,personally i can't believe anyone would actually take it seriously; as
[06:57] <Linus-> i mean, cmon!
[06:58] <Timur-> Linus: Where in PA?
[06:58] <Linus-> its not like i commented on bra size or girth! ;)
[06:58] <`426Hemi> mmmm.... stuffed Freedom toast at IHOP!
[06:58] <Linus-> freedom toast
[06:58] <Linus-> in the chapel of IHOP
[06:58] <Linus-> pittsburgh
[06:58] <Linus-> north hills
[06:59] <arg3> linus: im not sure what u meant by the chair story...u mean a student who is
[06:59] <Linus-> arg3, generally a student who is often out of chair during direct instructio
[06:59] <Timur-> ah right, think you told me once; thanks
[06:59] <Linus-> I'm not one of those sit still dictator types
[07:00] <VemoD> Yeah...same here. Friends are sarcastic to each other...toughens 'em up I gu
[07:00] <Linus-> but there are some students who appear to be clueless
[07:00] <Linus-> vemo, ive gotten into some mild hot water a few years ago about comments i m
[07:00] <VemoD> I just don't get sarcasm I always say...I mean among friends...if you say som
[07:01] <Linus-> which, when called on it, i thought they were kidding me
[07:01] <Linus-> about which
[07:01] <VemoD> hehe
[07:02] <VemoD> I'm lucky that way...I don't have a short fuse :)
[07:02] <Linus-> i used to
[07:02] <Linus-> ive mellowed with age
[07:02] <VemoD> So...I'll just start discussing what you said to me...and then you'll get tha
[07:02] <Linus-> "used to"
[07:02] <Linus-> talk about an odd term
[07:03] <Linus-> vemo, i know when people pursue the matter further and don't laugh that its
[07:03] <VemoD> So the kids took it pretty personal?
[07:03] <VemoD> I take it
[07:03] <arg3> well i guess some students wouldnt think deep enough to understand what u ar
[07:03] <VemoD> ?
[07:03] <Linus-> i think they took it as me getting their classmates to laugh at them, rather
[07:04] <VemoD> ah
[07:04] <Linus-> i try hard to help kids learn to laugh at themselves
[07:04] <Linus-> i was very sensitive when i was in primary school, and its just not worth it
[07:04] <Linus-> plus it sets you up
[07:04] <VemoD> <-laughing
[07:04] <Katey> Linus-, that chair remarks seems like fairly playful sarcasm to me
[07:05] <Linus-> Katey, well, never got into trouble for that one
[07:05] <Katey> Having spent several years working with school aged kids, I can't figure how
[07:05] <VemoD> "primary school"....so now that your in Junior High thats all beyond you? hah
[07:05] <Linus-> it doesnt have any cryptic personal dig attached
[07:05] <VemoD> <--- sarcasm ^_^
[07:06] <dEsecRati> iran gonna atatck us?
[07:06] <Linus-> its not mean-spirited
[07:06] <Katey> My coworker and I used to goof around with the kids like that all the time
[07:06] <Linus-> but is it sarcasm or irony?
[07:06] <dEsecRati> thought it was the other way aorund
[07:06] <arg3> linus: as i said...insecure ppl might think you are trying to make fun of the
[07:06] <Katey> the chair thing? Why would it be called irony?
[07:06] <Katey> It's sarcasm
[07:06] <Linus-> arg3, its too late
[07:06] <Linus-> i was born and raised on digs
[07:06] <Linus-> good-natured ribbing
[07:07] <Linus-> Katey, because...
[07:07] <Linus-> The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to t
[07:07] <Katey> I think that kids are often more willing to take a criticism or correction if
[07:07] <VemoD> linus: I'm getting less sensitive too...it is a good feeling, to be comfortab
[07:07] <Linus-> that's #1 def. of irony
[07:07] <arg3> Linus: i would call that sarcasm rather then irony
[07:07] <Katey> Linus-, I don't think the chair remark is ironic
[07:08] <Linus-> Katey, for the chair remark, the incongruity of the question causes the stud
[07:08] <Linus-> as opposed to the 1000th time theyve heard "sit down!"
[07:08] <Katey> Linus-, sure. But it's also funny.
[07:08] <arg3> Linus: if i say...oh no its raining outside...and then...no im just kidding..
[07:09] <Linus-> A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
[07:09] <Katey> humor relieves the tension created whenyou have to correct someone
[07:09] <Linus-> def 1 for sarcasm
[07:09] <Linus-> includes the word irony!
[07:09] <Linus-> har
[07:09] <Katey> heh
[07:09] <Katey> Well, I think that definition is pretty limited
[07:09] <Katey> lots of sarcastic remarks aren't aimed at anyone in particular
[07:09] <Linus-> yeah, it really negatively defines sarcasm
[07:09] <Katey> and lots of sarcasm is playful and not mean spirited
[07:10] <Linus-> my sarcasm inst premeditated to be hurtful!
[07:10] <Linus-> isn't
[07:10] <Katey> Most of mine isn't either
[07:10] <Katey> but I know sometimes it is. :)
[07:10] <Linus-> 1st degree sarcasm. how do you plea?
[07:10] <Linus-> rofl
[07:10] <VemoD> Say I fart...someone else smells it and kinda complains...I say "what? Smell
[07:11] <Linus-> A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intende
[07:11] <VemoD> Is that irony by that definition?
[07:11] <arg3> Linus-: yes but how can you make ppl understand that you dont intend to mak
[07:11] <Linus-> cripes, how can they use a form of sarcasm in a definition of it?
[07:11] <Katey> I think it has to do with the context of the situation and the relationships
[07:11] <`426Hemi> good lord you guys are geeks
[07:11] <Katey> Friends can goof on eachother playfully and no one gets their feelings hurt
[07:12] <Linus-> arg3, well, i try not to mention their wheelchairs, for starters
[07:12] <Linus-> ;)
[07:12] <`426Hemi> an hour long conversation on the fucking use of "sarcasm" and "irony/ironi
[07:12] <arg3> heh
[07:12] <Katey> but it's because they all know it's just a joke
[07:12] <Linus-> better than the middle east quagmire
[07:12] <`426Hemi> not really
[07:12] <Katey> or NASCAR
[07:12] <`426Hemi> take it to #EnglishLanguage or something =P
[07:12] <Linus-> teehee
[07:12] <Katey> shower time. bbl
[07:12] <Linus-> poor jethro
[07:12] <arg3> `426Hemi: so u wanna talk about iran...as if noone here hasnt discussed it f
[07:13] <Linus-> "i gots me an 8th grade edumacashun!"
[07:13] <arg3> wanna talk about iraq....endless days .....guncontrol....endless years.....
[07:14] <`426Hemi> there is more to politics than just Iran/Iraq
[07:14] <VemoD> I wanna talk about FreeTrade's "rally" ;)
[07:14] <`426Hemi> arg3, if you don't like politics there is a little X button that will help
[07:14] <Linus-> arg3, one time a kid had grown quite a bit over the summer, and was wearng a
[07:14] <Linus-> I got in trouble for poicking on him for being "fat"
[07:15] <Linus-> picking
[07:15] <Linus-> i was like, HUH?
[07:15] <praxis9> Linus: It sounds like you two were very close.
[07:15] <Linus-> ha
[07:15] <`426Hemi> its not hard to have legs bigger than your arms when you have pencil big g
[07:15] <Linus-> you compliment boys on their growth and strength
[07:15] <arg3> `426Hemi: if you wanna talk about politics please go ahead...but since noone
[07:15] <Linus-> girls on their blouse
[07:15] <Linus-> that's pretty safe territory
[07:16] <praxis9> Linus: You mean, you don't compare your arms to blouses and skirts?
[07:16] <Lupine> linus: so you sexually harrass girls... nice!
[07:16] <Linus-> "wow, jenny, your ass is looking taut and tanned from the summer!"
[07:16] <Linus-> praxis9, if i could
[07:16] <praxis9> I do that all the time. The girls just love it.
[07:16] <Linus-> maybe
[07:17] <Linus-> i wasn't comparing my arms anyway
[07:17] <Linus-> keep up!
[07:17] <Linus-> well, now i work at a school with uniforms
[07:17] <praxis9> Linus: I'm slow and rather dull.
[07:17] <Linus-> so there's nothing to compliment
[07:17] <Linus-> except flashes of brilliance
[07:18] <Linus-> which are hard to come by :(
[07:18] <javierza> http://www.rollingstone.com/news/profile/story/9961300/the_worst_president
[07:18] <arg3> Linus-....well lets say you actually wanted to mock jason...heh i cant think
[07:18] <Lupine> linus loves it now that all the little girls wear little skirts with bobbyso
[07:18] <`426Hemi> HAVANA (AP) - Bolivia's new left-leaning president signed a pact with Cuba
[07:18] <`426Hemi> Cuban authorities did not release copies of the so-called Bolivarian Alter
[07:18] <Linus-> arg, wasn't that an odd reaction?
[07:18] <Lupine> rusty: ahahah, as if Castro decides if he'll have freetrade with the US!
[07:18] <Linus-> i mean, what 11 year old boy wouldnt want to hear that he's buff?
[07:19] <Linus-> i shoulda bought the family a dictionary
[07:19] <Linus-> ;)
[07:19] <Linus-> now THAT was sarcasm!
[07:19] <Lupine> linus: well.. he maybe a little sore/distrustful of male role models, after
[07:19] <praxis9> I guess the irony of a free trade zone for communists is lost on them.
[07:19] <Linus-> Lupine, you would have to go there
[07:19] <`426Hemi> <+Linus-> i mean, what 11 year old boy wouldnt want to hear that he'
[07:20] <VemoD> I was checking out some arms tonight :)
[07:20] <VemoD> But...thats not on topic hehe
[07:20] <Linus-> its bad enough that we can't show affection for kids anymore, now we can't e
[07:20] <Linus-> apparently his weight was an issue at home
[07:20] <`426Hemi> when i was a kid and adults said that to me, i would get embarrased
[07:21] <Linus-> i NEVER perceived the kid to be overweight at all
[07:21] <praxis9> Linus: You didn't call him a "sausage?"
[07:21] <Lupine> linus: a male authority should not be commenting on how tight a young boy lo
[07:21] <Linus-> one of my colleagues got into BIB trouble for commenting to a kid who was da
[07:22] <Linus-> bib? big
[07:22] <arg3> Linus-: im swedish...my vocabulary could be more buff....almost never heard
[07:22] <Linus-> it got taken as a comment on his weight
[07:22] <praxis9> "Bufflig" is much better.
[07:22] <Linus-> buff means muscular
[07:22] <praxis9> Speaking of which...
[07:22] <Lupine> arg3: linus just appreciates how a young boy looks
[07:22] <Linus-> or strong in appearance
[07:22] <praxis9> You will never guess what my crazy sister did.
[07:22] <`426Hemi> hah Lupine thats what i am wondering
[07:23] <`426Hemi> it sounds very strange
[07:23] <Linus-> wow, you guys are sad
[07:23] <praxis9> Okay. I'm not going to tell you. There's too much shame.
[07:23] <VemoD> linus: your making me horny :-)
[07:23] <Lupine> linus: you know, maybe that is your problem. you shouldn't be looking at you
[07:23] <Linus-> poor kids these days with no human contact and no compliments on their appea
[07:23] <arg3> Linus-: has the buff any link to a buffalo?
[07:23] <VemoD> you're
[07:23] <Linus-> no wonder we have colombines
[07:23] <Linus-> arg3, no
[07:23] <Lupine> linus: no, a teacher shouldn't be looking at his students in such a manner.
[07:23] <VemoD> linus: that was sarcasm :)
[07:24] <arg3> a buffalo is strong and muscular
[07:24] <S-Fidelis> the iranian armed forces chief of staff is a veterinarian? be afraid, ve
[07:24] <Linus-> vemo, i wasn't referring to you
[07:24] <`426Hemi> Lupine yeap
[07:24] <Linus-> arg, i don't know the origin of buff as it pertains to strength
[07:24] <Linus-> its slang, i suppose
[07:24] <Lupine> linus likes his ten year olds "buff"
[07:24] <`426Hemi> exactly, there is no way in hell i would let Linus teach my kid...
[07:24] <praxis9> Let's ask Arnold. He knows.
[07:25] <arg3> i bet...umm....bet 80 cents there is a historical connection betwwen buff and
[07:25] <Linus-> lup, you're funny
[07:25] <VemoD> linus: But you're reminding me of my night in a bigger city. After the High
[07:25] <VemoD> <--- went home alone...danced a bit
[07:26] <Linus-> its pretty obvious when a kid passes right in front of you whose arms 2.5 mo
[07:26] <rond> You danced with guys ?????????????
[07:26] <praxis9> Vemod danced with "Lance" and limped home.
[07:26] <rond> (your a guy ?)
[07:26] <`426Hemi> shouldn't you be more worried about teaching the kid something educational
[07:26] <VemoD> rond: with my friend...in the cage...it was hillarious...the place is called
[07:27] <Linus-> the way everything boils down to sexual innuendo in here, I'm wondering who'
[07:27] <rond> Hmmmm if I was your straight friend I would not have found that hillarious
[07:27] <VemoD> rond: But I'm gay anyway...not too flirtatious though
[07:27] <rond> Ohhh I see
[07:27] <Linus-> i don't teach at recess time generally
[07:28] <praxis9> I would turn gay in a second if it wasn't for the disgusting sex.
[07:28] <Linus-> ha
[07:28] <praxis9> Are you allowed to be asexually gay?
[07:28] <Linus-> yeah, the thought of rear entry is pretty thoroughly disgusting
[07:28] <praxis9> Now that's something I might do.
[07:28] <Linus-> i mean, that's the hole we shit out of!
[07:29] <VemoD> I'm not too much about sex...I mean I like to talk and cook for someone
[07:29] <praxis9> Linus: Keep your Nazi common sense to yourself.
[07:29] <`426Hemi> i geuss its all in how you justify it to yourself
[07:29] <Lupine> linus: and yet, you still feel compelled to judge a boy by his physique
[07:29] <Linus-> personally, i would probably seek intercourse at an addicting pace if the br
[07:29] <VemoD> I prefer it oral so far...I've never had anal
[07:29] <praxis9> The "breats?"
[07:30] <praxis9> VemoD: Oh. Thanks for sharing.
[07:30] <Linus-> yes!
[07:30] <VemoD> I've gotta be like married to the person or something for that :)
[07:30] <Linus-> never heard of them?
[07:30] <VemoD> Ok....I'm done! :)
[07:30] <Linus-> the bosom
[07:30] <Linus-> teats
[07:30] <Lupine> vemod: you gotta be married before you let a guy pop yer poop chute?
[07:30] <praxis9> I prefer huffing gasoline and snorting crack before I disrobe. You might ca
[07:30] <Linus-> knockers, hooters, jugs
[07:31] <Linus-> though the term jugs is a turn off to me ;)
[07:31] <praxis9> Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
[07:31] <praxis9> Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
[07:31] <Linus-> template?
[07:31] <VemoD> Lupine: Or at least in a real relationship with a future
[07:31] <Linus-> can you marry a future?
[07:31] <gopp> knock knock Linus-
[07:32] <Linus-> mock mock gopp
[07:32] <gopp> lol
[07:32] <Linus-> heh
[07:32] <praxis9> Just hook up with someone intemperate and dissipated. Works for me.
[07:32] <Linus-> knock... yeah ing...yeah kurd... yeah!
[07:33] <praxis9> You know, it just isn't worth it unless you live a life of romance where al
[07:33] <Linus-> knocking kurds yeah
[07:33] <gopp> I going to move to califorina
[07:33] <Linus-> prax, you're too funny
[07:33] <VemoD> linus: I don't have any sexual intimacy easily...In my 10 years of being open
[07:33] <Linus-> gopp, to join with the other farmworkers? ;)
[07:33] <Lupine> gopp: not sure that is wise.. you'll have all the downside of being "hispani
[07:33] <praxis9> Linus: I've been there. My house came up missing once.
[07:33] <Linus-> VemoD, tmi!
[07:33] <VemoD> linus: No, not in Wisconsin. But I don't care about marriage personally
[07:33] <gopp> so that I can become even more annoying to linus
[07:33] <gopp> :(
[07:34] <gopp> joking
[07:34] <Necrosan> VemoD: Milwaukee?
[07:34] <Necrosan> 4th & national?
[07:34] <Necrosan> :)
[07:34] <Lupine> gopp: is that even possible?
[07:34] <gopp> Linus- oh
[07:34] <gopp> I won't march
[07:34] <gopp> I have to dam finals
[07:34] <Linus-> vemo, when i found out i likely can't procreate without test tubes and shit,
[07:34] <gopp> and plus I don't agree with march
[07:34] <Lupine> I can't believe the INS will not be attending these "protests"
[07:35] <Lupine> linus: is that why you like prepubescent boys and girls ?
[07:35] <Linus-> even signing my sperm up for swim lessons didn't improve their motility!
[07:35] <VemoD> necro: Milwaukee is where I was tonight...I live up by Green Bay though
[07:35] <gopp> Linus- Lupine already two of the workers in my restruant
[07:35] <praxis9> Motility?
[07:35] <gopp> said they won't be showing up
[07:35] <Linus-> Lupine, are you jacking off now?
[07:35] <Necrosan> VemoD: ahh. heh. yeah im from milwaukee ;)
[07:35] <gopp> I am unsure if they ment it
[07:35] <praxis9> VemoD: Oh. You're a Packer.
[07:35] <Linus-> because you sure are fixated, anally some might say
[07:35] * praxis9 has a stroke.
[07:36] <Lupine> gop: local paper is decrying how "evil" the government is, as many criminals
[07:36] <gopp> Lupine I bet my grandmother will tell them, don't come to work your fired
[07:36] <Lupine> linus: um, YOU were the one commending on the physique of little boys.
[07:36] <gopp> Lupine the spanish media is to blame
[07:36] <gopp> they eggy them ON
[07:36] <Lupine> gopp: i think all teachers should give a 1000point, no makeup popquiz tomorr
[07:36] <gopp> all you see during cormecial break is news of protest and raide
[07:36] <Linus-> and you were the one turing it into something sexual
[07:36] <Linus-> weirdo
[07:37] <Lupine> linus: no, you are the one who looks at your students as slabs-o-beef
[07:37] <gopp> anyways I am unsure, but Lupine I should go to my school libary to study for
[07:37] <Linus-> female teachers comment all the time on how pretty a girl's hair is, or some
[07:37] <VemoD> necro: Nice. I was at Madplanet for the rock show (I love High on FIre)...th
[07:37] <Lupine> is that how you justify your sexual objectification of boys?
[07:37] <`426Hemi> do you hear female teachers saying "Ohh your boobs look terrific!!"?
[07:38] <`426Hemi> probably not
[07:38] <VemoD> necro: They all want me to get laid ;)
[07:38] <gopp> male teachers always comments, how pussy a liberal teacher is
[07:38] <gopp> stand up for your self
[07:38] <gopp> Linus- will you go march tomrrow
[07:38] <Lupine> linus: maybe you should look at your students as persons with feelings.. ins
[07:38] <Linus-> i cannot believe youve never heard adults tell boys theyve really filled out
[07:38] <gopp> in protest of your crackers student
[07:38] <Linus-> kids glow at those comments
[07:39] <praxis9> Hmm. "Glow."
[07:39] <VemoD> necro: I felt like Rob Halford shoulda been in the back of the car...it was p
[07:39] <Linus-> oh hehehe
[07:39] <gopp> Linus- why not teach in east la, instead of teaching crackers student
[07:39] <Linus-> shaddap
[07:39] <Lupine> yea, that is what Nambla says as well
[07:39] <praxis9> gopp: What the hell is this "crackers" thing?
[07:39] <Linus-> Lupine, you want my address so we can discuss this in person?
[07:39] <gopp> praxis9 inside joke
[07:40] <Linus-> you fucking dimwirt
[07:40] <Lupine> sure, i think the local child services and the DA need to learn about your o
[07:40] <Linus-> don't use me as your souding board for your sexual hangups
[07:40] <gopp> I bet Linus- could kick some ass, if he become very angry
[07:40] <Linus-> even with a herniated disk
[07:41] <Lupine> oh damn, there I go again, being "intolerant" of those who goggle little boy
[07:41] <gopp> lol
[07:41] <`426Hemi> telling a kid how much taller they are is one thing, saying <+Linus->
[07:41] <gopp> Lupine` yea you know, it hurts them
[07:41] <gopp> Wel `426Hemi well if a female teachers
[07:41] <Linus-> tossing insinuations about pedophilia around loosely, unless its a one time
[07:41] <gopp> told me I was hot at 13
[07:41] <Lupine> gopp: a teacher "admiring" a little boys buff-butt is over the line
[07:41] <gopp> that would be good
[07:42] <gopp> Lupine a female teacher
[07:42] <`426Hemi> gopp, no it wouldn't
[07:42] <gopp> who is 23 and hot
[07:42] <Linus-> oh, and coiaches never tell a player they're a stud
[07:42] <Linus-> ok
[07:42] <pollini> i'm 38 &hot
[07:42] <`426Hemi> Linus they shouldn't be
[07:42] <Linus-> omigod
[07:42] <pollini> hi rusty
[07:42] <gopp> and in return the kid would say you have big tits and nice ass to the female 2
[07:42] <Lupine> ahaha.. Linus's defense of his action is "hey, other gay teachers do it !"
[07:42] <`426Hemi> howdy pollini
[07:42] <Linus-> a football coach shouldn't use that terminology because of your hangups?
[07:42] <Linus-> that's preposterous
[07:42] <arg3> Linus-:Buff can mean the following:
[07:43] <arg3> An old alternative spelling of (Water) Buffalo
[07:43] <arg3> Buff (colour) - a pale yellow-brown colour, named from the colour of the leath
[07:43] <gopp> `426Hemi if it a gay couach or male teacher
[07:43] <Linus-> arg3, its slang
[07:43] <gopp> is wrong
[07:43] <TheTailor> Durban is still against nuke power.
[07:43] <pollini> fine thx
[07:43] <gopp> it wrong
[07:43] <praxis9> arg3: Hmm.
[07:43] <gopp> Linus- it wrong, for a male teacher to even look at a guys ass
[07:43] <arg3> "Buff" or "buffed" can also be used to describe one who is heavily muscled and
[07:43] <gopp> none the less make a comment
[07:43] <Linus-> i wasn't
[07:43] <praxis9> I know a woman with questionable skin color and hair color that would very
[07:43] <Linus-> jesus fucking christ
[07:43] <praxis9> Odd.
[07:43] <`426Hemi> Linus, no one has a hang up, but sexual references to a student should nev
[07:43] <pollini> still following late news rust?
[07:43] <Linus-> rofl
[07:43] <Lupine> Nice: believing it is wrong for a teacher to be looking at his students as s
[07:44] <Linus-> i didn't say stud-muffin ya moron
[07:44] <arg3> so there seems to be a connection :)
[07:44] <Lupine> nice.. linus is referring to young boys being oiled up.
[07:44] <`426Hemi> pollini yeap
[07:44] <Linus-> get over it
[07:44] <gopp> Linus- but you did say taller
[07:44] <gopp> what do you define tall
[07:44] <Lupine> linus: people do not accept your sexual objectiviation of young teachers. ge
[07:44] <gopp> you ment he grew from thier
[07:44] <gopp> or he grew from where
[07:44] <Linus-> lup, I'm sorry your father only molested the well hung boys in your family,
[07:44] <pollini> lupine: this theme is always taking much of your concern!
[07:44] <praxis9> Shall I compare thee to a summer's day?
[07:44] <praxis9> Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
[07:45] <gopp> Linus- so you ment teacher are right when they say, that thier male studen gre
[07:45] <praxis9> Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
[07:45] <praxis9> And summer's lease hath all too short a date:
[07:45] <Lupine> linus: tsk tsk.. projecting on others to change the topic
[07:45] <gopp> Linus- so you ment teacher are right when they say, that thier male studen gre
[07:45] <gopp> Linus- define grew taller
[07:45] <Linus-> i commented on how big his arms had become over the summer
[07:45] <pollini> what was the character of yesterday's dimonstration in ny?? i saw it was so
[07:46] <Linus-> now i know theres foot fetishes, but arms as a sexual reference?
[07:46] <Linus-> learn something new everyday!
[07:46] <arg3> i think the swedish word for buff would be "biffig" meaning beefy "biff" is
[07:46] <gopp> some people have a arm fetish
[07:46] <TheTailor> The fact that you noticed is disturbing
[07:46] <Linus-> arg3, yes
[07:46] <`426Hemi> "eww your arms are so much bigger than last year, you are soo buff!'
[07:46] <`426Hemi> niiice
[07:47] <Lupine> Tailor: right.. and justifying one male teacher talking about how a male stu
[07:47] <Lupine> rusty: i see your schwatz is as big as mine..
[07:47] <gopp> Linus- if the male teacher noticed, then he is gay
[07:47] <Lupine> schwartz
[07:47] <`426Hemi> "Ohh your boobs ar eso much bigger than last year!"
[07:47] <gopp> `426Hemi that oh k
[07:47] <`426Hemi> heh, i don't see the difference myself
[07:47] <gopp> `426Hemi I do
[07:47] <gopp> it a complent on her boobs
[07:47] <Linus-> boobs are in the danger zone, as stuart says
[07:48] <gopp> but if it was a student male to a female 23 hotty
[07:48] <gopp> teacher
[07:48] <praxis9> Danger zone. Yes.
[07:48] <gopp> Linus- what if the girl told you how, well how big arms you have linus
[07:48] <gopp> what would you do
[07:48] <Linus-> id blush and grin
[07:48] <pollini> guys..
[07:48] <Lupine> gopp: well.. more appropriate for linus would be for a boy telling him "how
[07:48] <praxis9> Linus would strangle her. Of course.
[07:48] <TheTailor> Good grief, you are gay.
[07:49] <Timur-> I just use the palm test.
[07:49] <Timur-> sike
[07:49] <Linus-> hehe
[07:49] <Linus-> psyche
[07:49] <Timur-> I use sike o.k.!!!!
[07:49] <Linus-> sheesh, mr grammar
[07:49] <Timur-> sikesikesike
[07:49] <Timur-> eat it!!
[07:49] <Lupine> gay teachers complimenting on how "buff" their young boy students are.. is w
[07:49] <praxis9> My, what big arms you have.
[07:49] <TheTailor> Creepy --->[09:44] <Linus-> id blush and grin
[07:49] <Linus-> siko killer, que'st que ce?
[07:50] <Timur-> c'est
[07:50] <Timur-> qu'est-ce que c'est
[07:50] <Linus-> oui
[07:50] <Timur-> :)
[07:50] <pollini> hi tim
[07:50] <Timur-> poll: hai
[07:50] <pollini> don't tell me u entered to this theme..ughhh
[07:50] <Linus-> i did type the ce in the correct place initially and then backspaced in a kn
[07:51] <Linus-> heh
[07:51] <pollini> we have double tims today
[07:51] <gopp> a knee jerk liberal
[07:51] <gopp> opps Mistyped in a knee jerk reaction
[07:51] <CryHavoc> Lupine...as long as they don't get a sex ed class ;)
[07:51] <Lupine> gopp: sure it was his knee he was jerking.. sure..
[07:52] <gopp> Lupine lol
[07:52] <pollini> tim:what was the general character of yesterday's demonstration?islamic?
[07:52] <CryHavoc> Actualy, a homosexual is unlikely to be a pederast
[07:52] <Linus-> typical homophobic american
[07:52] <Lupine> well.. neither hetero or homosexual are
[07:52] <CryHavoc> middle aged hetero mles married with kids the common one
[07:52] <Linus-> CryHavoc, you'se gonna try to edumacate this channel?
[07:52] <praxis9> "Common" as a proportion of population?
[07:53] <CryHavoc> Linus...at times I try
[07:53] <praxis9> What exactly does "common" mean?
[07:53] <Timur-> typical
[07:53] <CryHavoc> Common as the demographic compilations go
[07:53] <Timur-> pollini: which demonstration?
[07:53] <gopp> Lupine or CryHavoc does any drink, say soft drink need fda apporval to be ssol
[07:53] <praxis9> You mean raw numbers. Well, duh.
[07:54] <CryHavoc> gopp....the regulation applis to the ingredients used gop
[07:54] <gopp> I was under the impression, no fda apporval is needed
[07:54] <Lupine> gopp: FDA? Nope. That is why there are all those "energy boosters" which exp
[07:54] <gopp> oh
[07:54] <gopp> Lupine dam I was right
[07:54] <Timur-> * approved
[07:54] <CryHavoc> the slippery slope is when the manufacturers start making wild claims
[07:54] <gopp> My damn professor mocked my power point, saying I need it apporved by the fda
[07:54] <pollini> new york
[07:54] <Timur-> pollini: no idea, hadn't heard about it
[07:54] <Lupine> cry: does the ingredient/nutriial information come under the FDA?
[07:55] <Timur-> gopp: wow, that bad?
[07:55] <pollini> lol
[07:55] <CryHavoc> gopp you show the prof the edited paper at all??
[07:55] <Linus-> they need to separate the food from the drug into two agencies
[07:55] <gopp> yepe
[07:55] <gopp> will do so
[07:55] <gopp> tomrrow
[07:55] <gopp> first thing
[07:55] <CryHavoc> Lupine, yes
[07:55] <Lupine> gop: just bring in a can of Red Bull, showing the statement about the FDA
[07:55] <pollini> nice:means u dodn't see bullshit!!
[07:55] <gopp> Lupine I will do so
[07:55] <CryHavoc> what Lupine said
[07:55] <gopp> good idea
[07:55] <Linus-> meat inspectors are under the dept of agriculture, correct?
[07:55] <Linus-> and not the fda
[07:55] <CryHavoc> yes
[07:55] <CryHavoc> USDA
[07:55] <gopp> yea I know meat is inspected by the usda
[07:55] <Lupine> CH: yea, to me, I would not call that "FDA Approved" in terms of it being a
[07:56] <gopp> for mad cow and other shit
[07:56] <Linus-> and restaurant inspetors under county health
[07:56] <Linus-> along with swimming pools
[07:56] <gopp> Lupine he said to me
[07:56] <praxis9> Now Linus is talking about inspecting meat. I detect a common theme at work
[07:56] <Linus-> very odd
[07:56] <pollini> it seems english timothy is here
[07:56] <Lupine> praxis: hahahahaha
[07:56] <gopp> Lupine he said I did metion the political and legal
[07:56] <CryHavoc> The reason we do not have BSE circulating through the system is because we
[07:56] <gopp> I didn't
[07:56] <praxis9> Whoo boy!
[07:56] <gopp> I know my professor hate bush
[07:56] <CryHavoc> the possibility of a lawsuit could hurt profits.....
[07:57] <gopp> I heard him talk negatively once about bush
[07:57] <Linus-> bse?
[07:57] <Lupine> mad cow disease
[07:57] <gopp> but again I can't back it up
[07:57] <CryHavoc> so the USA meat purveyors are proactive
[07:57] <pollini> maybe he has changed his mind
[07:57] <Linus-> CryHavoc, what brought that up?
[07:57] <gopp> I blame the goverment for certains things
[07:57] <gopp> execpt when it comes to food
[07:57] <gopp> the cdc and usda do a great job
[07:57] <Linus-> oh n/m
[07:57] <CryHavoc> Linus because a new disease has emerged....
[07:57] <gopp> of controling meats
[07:57] <CryHavoc> BDE
[07:58] <Lupine> I wish they had a label to show the animal wasn't slaughtered via a cruel "k
[07:58] <Linus-> a strain?
[07:58] <praxis9> Meat control.
[07:58] <CryHavoc> Bovine Democrat Encepaphalopathy
[07:58] <Lupine> CH: ahahahaha
[07:58] <gopp> Lupine lol
[07:58] <Linus-> bless you
[07:58] <`426Hemi> I have massive meat control
[07:58] <CryHavoc> Mad Liberal Disease
[07:58] <gopp> CryHavoc
[07:58] <gopp> lol
[07:58] <Linus-> that was lame as hell
[07:58] <Lupine> rusty: be careful about discussing "meat" around linus.. he may refer to yo
[07:58] <CryHavoc> Howard Dean is infected
[07:58] <gopp> Lupine my marketing professor execpt us to know from chapter 1 to 19 for the f
[07:58] <`426Hemi> HAHAHA
[07:59] <pollini> did u see yesterday's demonstration rusty?
[07:59] <Linus-> doesnt even make sense
[07:59] <gopp> Lupine he gaves us a 5 min review
[07:59] <praxis9> Bovinitus Democrapus Encepaphalopathy.
[07:59] <CryHavoc> gopp...give it hell
[07:59] <Timur-> kosher slaughtering is more merciful than the standard industrial method
[07:59] <Lupine> gopp: sounds about right!
[07:59] <Timur-> from the POV of the animal.
[07:59] <`426Hemi> my meat is oiled and buffed and ready to grill
[07:59] <Linus-> hence the term "final"
[07:59] <gopp> Linus- sure
[07:59] <Lupine> timur: naw.. i prefer the bullet-in-the-brain method.. instananeous
[07:59] <Linus-> buff meat not good to grill!
[07:59] <CryHavoc> Timur...as long as it is doen in a gentle way :P
[07:59] <gopp> Linus- do you give long finals
[07:59] <Linus-> i don't even give grades
[08:00] <gopp> wtf
[08:00] <CryHavoc> Linius prefers Long Finials
[08:00] <Lupine> gopp: linus likes his meat served up hot
[08:00] <gopp> NO grades
[08:00] <Linus-> don't ask me
[08:00] <pollini> gunmen are losing many elements everyday in iraq
[08:00] <praxis9> Linus: You don't give grades? Are you a communist?
[08:00] <Linus-> at other schools i gave a computer grade
[08:00] <gopp> Lupine long and well done
[08:00] <CryHavoc> pollini - panini's cousin? ;)
[08:00] <Linus-> this school, they don't give them
[08:00] <gopp> Linus- wtf, that a easy as job
[08:00] <Linus-> i have brought it up 3 years in a row
[08:00] <gopp> no grades
[08:00] <CryHavoc> Linus..you teach gym class?
[08:00] <Timur-> it's usually a bolt in the head, and while the animal is being so positioned
[08:00] <Linus-> i don't mind grading
[08:01] <Linus-> it actually makes it easier to know who's not comprehending
[08:01] <gopp> Linus- wow you got the easyiest job in america
[08:01] <`426Hemi> i like my meat to be a little bit chewy
[08:01] <Linus-> computer lab
[08:01] <Timur-> whereas kosher slaughter involves first soothing the animal, then via a quic
[08:01] <CryHavoc> what do you teach Linus
[08:01] <Timur-> which doesn't result in the aforementioned negative effect.
[08:01] <CryHavoc> heh
[08:01] <Lupine> timur: you can sooth the animal, then cap its brain..
[08:01] <Linus-> i do test the kids though
[08:02] <pollini> panin..food u mean?
[08:02] <ruted> I can't stand the gutless liberal traitors trying to destroy America. They ha
[08:02] <praxis9> Yes. Bleeding to death is much less terrifying than, say, getting a bolt to
[08:02] <Timur-> you can, but afaik they don't.
[08:02] <Lupine> i bet if you measured the brainwaves, the animal sin't dead instantly via co
[08:02] <gopp> ruted wtf
[08:02] <Timur-> whereas it's pretty much mandated as part of the kosher process, assuming it
[08:02] <Linus-> and even though they know they won't get a grade on report card, they still
[08:02] <`426Hemi> Timur, if they do that with cows to make them kosher, what do they do with
[08:02] <CryHavoc> Linus' Final: Using the Network Diagnostic tools you will find on PC, your
[08:02] <Timur-> no, but the slower death is less painful and not fear-invoking.
[08:02] <patch6> gopp, my understanding is that the product needs no FDA approval if the prod
[08:02] <gopp> Linus- they do
[08:02] <ruted> Global warming is a massive communist conspiracy designed to destroy capitali
[08:02] <Timur-> which is the point.
[08:02] <Lupine> timur: by 'kosher killing' i mean the actual method of killing. not the rest
[08:02] <Timur-> not the speed of it.
[08:02] <Linus-> ruted, stop your whiny pasting
[08:03] <gopp> CryHavoc lol HHAHAH
[08:03] <gopp> Linus- it not whining it fact
[08:03] <Timur-> the actual method is the end of a whole process; if part of the process is m
[08:03] <gopp> Linus- but it lame
[08:03] <Linus-> oh stfu gopp
[08:03] <CryHavoc> ruted has mad cow disease
[08:03] <Linus-> it fact
[08:03] <pollini> don't speak about brainwaves: rusty can never terminate the theme of nerves
[08:03] <Linus-> like you read every statment
[08:03] <gopp> Linus- socilist are lazy
[08:03] <Linus-> that's opinion
[08:03] <Timur-> it libvral
[08:03] <gopp> k I skimmed through it
[08:03] <gopp> inbvral
[08:03] <Lupine> timur: yes, but I mean the physical method of killing it. Not the rest. I wo
[08:04] <praxis9> Well, fuck this. I'm going to get something to eat. Non-kosher, of course.
[08:04] <Linus-> inbvral?
[08:04] <praxis9> Later, bastards.
[08:04] <`426Hemi> hey if we got brainwaves where's my surfboard?
[08:04] <gopp> Linus- 80% of those who claim to be liberal, tend to be some what soclistist
[08:04] <Linus-> body surf
[08:04] <gopp> thus lazy
[08:04] <DrDetr0it> bush is socialist
[08:04] <Lupine> I wonder if they ever measured what goes on in the brain of someone decapita
[08:04] <Timur-> Lup: except there's..again.. a whole process involved; including conditions
[08:04] <DrDetr0it> bush is more socialist than not
[08:04] <Linus-> gopp, yes, i believe that stat
[08:04] <CryHavoc> if brainwaves were surfboards ruted would be in the water
[08:04] <Linus-> was just pulled out of yer arse
[08:04] <DrDetr0it> he's all for big government spending
[08:04] <`426Hemi> heh, leave it to Linus to say "Body surf"
[08:04] <Lupine> timur: sure, do all that. Just put its brains out in a milisecond.
[08:04] <Timur-> without all the necessary features being met, it's not kosher.
[08:05] <Timur-> not if it results in the animal panicking or feeling afraid
[08:05] <Lupine> I am talking about that period of time when the animal suffers pain from bei
[08:05] <pollini> to have brain waves..an element is very sufficient: a brain
[08:05] <DrDetr0it> amazing some people figure out how to get to efnet
[08:05] <Timur-> or feeling significant pain
[08:05] <DrDetr0it> and then brand a failed intellect
[08:05] <Timur-> it's almost painless, like a pinprick.
[08:05] <Linus-> DrDetr0it, hrm
[08:05] <CryHavoc> DrD...yah
[08:05] <Linus-> hehe
[08:05] <Timur-> then they go to sleep, effectively. though forever
[08:05] <Lupine> timur: right, I bet there is significant pain messages going to the animals
[08:05] <Linus-> whats efnet?
[08:05] <DrDetr0it> (me included) heh heh
[08:05] <CryHavoc> AOL prob has a fast connect config to EFNet
[08:05] <DrDetr0it> eris ok ok
[08:05] <pollini> is name SAMUEL RAMEY familiar to anybody?
[08:06] <Linus-> no
[08:06] <Lupine> you can't say that if you are cut, and there are many seconds to a minute fo
[08:06] <Linus-> sam drucker
[08:06] <DrDetr0it> I here some people pronounce it eeeefnet - drives me insane
[08:06] <Timur-> http://www.kosherquest.org/bookhtml/SHECHITA_THROUGH_BUTCHER.htm
[08:06] <CryHavoc> Linus...this is EFNet
[08:06] <CryHavoc> Eris Free Net
[08:06] <Timur-> not when the all the methods are followed, no.
[08:06] <CryHavoc> aka Effie
[08:06] <Linus-> CryHavoc, and *that* was facetious
[08:06] <`426Hemi> "Fucking Net" = EfNet
[08:06] <`426Hemi> heh
[08:06] <CryHavoc> WarNet
[08:06] <CryHavoc> Chaosnet
[08:06] <Lupine> timur: i think if all the methods are followed, then yes, there still is a p
[08:06] <Linus-> fishnet
[08:07] <pollini> rusty is very polite today
[08:07] <CryHavoc> two names for Efnet in the 90s
[08:07] <`426Hemi> thats like how some people say LIN Ex
[08:07] <`426Hemi> I say Lie nux
[08:07] <Lupine> instead of using a knife, just use a .22 to the brainstem
[08:07] <Timur-> not *significant pain resulting in fear/panic*, no.
[08:07] <`426Hemi> the U makes the I Loooong
[08:07] <TheTailor> It's Ly Nucks
[08:07] <Linus-> hairnet
[08:07] <DrDetr0it> irc marriages vs irc divorces, hmm... which wins... ?
[08:07] <pollini> are u such thurst for women dude? be my guest
[08:07] * `426Hemi nods at Tailor
[08:07] <Timur-> which, for the final time, is the point.
[08:07] <CryHavoc> 426 says Lie Nux I say Lynn Ucks ,,,lets call the whole thing off
[08:07] <`426Hemi> hehheeh
[08:07] <Lupine> timur: well, have they scientifically tested that, by monitoring the animals
[08:08] <Linus-> in swedish, the i is short
[08:08] <Lupine> i bet its brain is alive for an appreciable time after being cut.
[08:08] <Timur-> they've 'scientifically tested' it by observing animal behavior for 5000 yea
[08:08] <Lupine> if its more than ~1millisecond, I'ld say that would be cruel and unusual
[08:08] <CryHavoc> Lupine...they need to test that on a liberal...
[08:08] <Lupine> timur: no, actual brain activity. it's entirely possible the method cuts off
[08:08] <DrDetr0it> I heard Torvalds pronounce it once, but damn if I remember.
[08:08] <CryHavoc> see if their brain is still alive after being bled
[08:08] <Lupine> a paralized man can be in excrutiating pain and terror
[08:08] <`426Hemi> Cry, impossible, liberals have to have brains to get an actual performance
[08:09] <Lupine> cry: um, their brain isn't alive before being bled.. why would it be alive a
[08:09] <CryHavoc> 426...they would prob find brain was dead long ago
[08:09] <Timur-> no, degree of pain and fear experienced evidenced through observation. It's
[08:09] <ruted> Thirteen high-profile physicists, including five Nobel laureates, have writte
[08:09] <Lupine> timur: again, simply watching the body's reaction does not say anything abou
[08:09] <Timur-> yes, it actually does.
[08:09] <`426Hemi> grrr 2 and a half hours til VroomVroooom time
[08:10] <Lupine> You have not established that there is any communication in the nervous syst
[08:10] <Timur-> if you know about animals and how they react to things, which 5000 years of
[08:10] <ruted> Why do liberals undermine our President during a time of war? Why are liberal
[08:10] <starly> ruted, you are devoiced (Requested by CryHavoc - Reason: One op with afteref
[08:10] <Timur-> it's not 'whether communication' but ..what I said before.
[08:10] <Lupine> timur: since when did they have any medical ability to measure actual brain
[08:10] <`426Hemi> probably the best way to slaughter a cow is to lop its head off in a quick
[08:10] <Timur-> ob. ser. va. tion.
[08:10] <DrDetr0it> anne ? that you ?
[08:10] <Lupine> timur: by your arguement, a paralized man can not have any pain or fear
[08:10] <Lupine> because he can't "show it"
[08:10] <Timur-> these aren't paralyzed animals, but fully capable ones; so, no.
[08:11] <Lupine> timur: you dont know that post slice
[08:11] <Timur-> you do beforehand.
[08:11] <Timur-> up to and including.
[08:11] <Lupine> anyways, I would recommend doing modern scientific observations on the anima
[08:11] <Timur-> ok
[08:11] <Linus-> why why why waah waah waah?
[08:11] <Lupine> timur: but you dont know if the animal's brain is alive for a few minutes af
[08:11] <Timur-> anyway, gotta shower. bbiab
[08:11] <Linus-> mommy!\
[08:11] <Timur-> it's not important
[08:11] <patch6> "Liberalism is an ideology, philosophy, and political tradition which holds
[08:11] <Timur-> degree of pain and fear. minimization or negation thereof to the extent poss
[08:11] <Timur-> brb.
[08:11] * Timur- is now known as Tim-brb
[08:12] <CryHavoc> patch6..look at what goes for 'liberal' today
[08:12] <Linus-> what is this? spy vs spy?
[08:12] <CryHavoc> they have strayed from the pale
[08:12] <TheTailor> patch6, because your definition isn't practiced by liberals today.
[08:12] <Herzen> patch6 successfully defined classical liberalism
[08:12] * Herzen claps
[08:12] <CryHavoc> just like Conservative at one point meant restraint
[08:13] <Linus-> both liberal and conservative terms have evolved in american politics
[08:13] <TheTailor> hahaha, 'evolved' :-)
[08:13] <CryHavoc> they have evolved to the point that they get nothing done
[08:13] <CryHavoc> devolved
[08:14] <Linus-> evolution isn't always improvement
[08:14] <Herzen> the little faggot with an earing and a mink coat
[08:14] <Linus-> adaptation to the current political environment i suppose
[08:14] <Herzen> yea buddy thats his own hair
[08:14] <`426Hemi> <+patch6> "Liberalism is an ideology, philosophy, and political trad
[08:14] <patch6> I can understand that belief, being only that by name and not philosophy
[08:14] <CryHavoc> Money is for nothing and the tanks are free
[08:15] <Lupine> In any event, simply because someone or an animal can not physically move..
[08:15] * CryHavoc notices a PETA/Green infection on Lupine
[08:16] <Lupine> cry: naw.. peta kills pet animals instead of finding homes for them
[08:16] <CryHavoc> nothing a rack of Ribs won't cure
[08:16] <Linus-> i mean, I'm not sure having 12 toes has benefitted me
[08:16] <CryHavoc> you have 12 toes Linus??
[08:16] <Lupine> cry: hey now, don't talk about slabs-o-meat around Linus
[08:16] <Linus-> sigh
[08:16] <Linus-> no, i joke for attention
[08:16] * CryHavoc reports Linus to Area 51
[08:17] <Linus-> been there, they have 6 toes total
[08:17] <Linus-> break out of your shell of a life!
[08:17] <Linus-> but their big toes are juxtaposed!
[08:17] <CryHavoc> Linus lives inside a Linux shell
[08:17] <Lupine> i have met a person with 12 fingers
[08:17] <Linus-> i call it kernel
[08:18] <Linus-> makes for great base 12 assistance!
[08:18] <Linus-> and back when multiplication tables went up to 12
[08:18] <Linus-> instead of the wimpy ten now
[08:18] <CryHavoc> I remember the 12s
[08:18] <Linus-> they don't teach to 12 anymore
[08:18] <CryHavoc> figures
[08:19] <Linus-> disfugures
[08:19] <Linus-> hehe
[08:19] <Linus-> well, its sensible in one respect
[08:19] <Linus-> it introduces carrying
[08:19] <CryHavoc> we learned multiplication and division in 2nd grade
[08:19] <Linus-> me too
[08:19] <Katey> I think they begin it in 3rd grade here
[08:19] <CryHavoc> nowadays that is done in 4th grade
[08:20] <Linus-> i know many 6th graders who couldnt answer 8x7 without much hesitation
[08:20] <Linus-> its 3rd
[08:20] <Linus-> but not mastered
[08:20] <Katey> Linus-, yeah. There's not enough emphasis on memorization of multiplication t
[08:20] <CryHavoc> we had it down in 2nd grade...
[08:20] <Herzen> 8x7 is the toughest one
[08:20] <Katey> There wasn't enough when I was in school either
[08:20] <CryHavoc> my 2nd Grade teacher was a strict as could be
[08:20] <Linus-> actually, i found public school kids have it down better than my school
[08:20] <Linus-> because they rote drill for the STAR testing
[08:21] <CryHavoc> we did fractions in 2nd grade too
[08:21] <CryHavoc> and script writing
[08:21] <`426Hemi> Yeh Herzen 8 x 7 and 7 x 8 were always the tough ones for me
[08:21] <Lupine> I look at it as a different perspective. There should not be alot of emphasi
[08:21] <Linus-> 8x7 and 9x6 seem to be swapped
[08:21] <`426Hemi> yeh
[08:21] <Katey> They do beginning fractions instruction in 1st grade here.
[08:21] <Lupine> rusty: 7x8 is easy, but 8x7 is a bitch.. [ think about it ]
[08:21] <`426Hemi> hahah i know+)
[08:21] <Linus-> Katey, i know
[08:21] <Katey> But it's more to do with the concept than it is with computing with fractions
[08:22] <Linus-> its preposterous
[08:22] <Linus-> they're so consumed with teaching something from each "strand"
[08:22] <CryHavoc> long division too
[08:22] <CryHavoc> never got the hang of short division
[08:22] <Linus-> although, i did have 2nd graders entering data into formatted tables and cre
[08:23] <Linus-> i was proud of them :)
[08:23] <Katey> Well, I think the kids in my son's class get it. It's mostly making pictures
[08:23] <Lupine> you know you can use your fingers as a sliderule-effect, to go up to 1024?
[08:23] <Linus-> Katey, theres a coule of great sites on fractions for primary grades
[08:23] <Katey> And teaching money helps with understanding fractions, I think
[08:23] <Linus-> Lupine, yes, but that concept is beyond most students
[08:23] <CometBaby> Katey since "no child left behind" they are really starting to TEACH agai
[08:23] <Linus-> i gave it up
[08:23] <Lupine> katey: then again, they ALSO learn that two 1/2 apples do nto equal 1 whole
[08:24] <CometBaby> my friends daughter is in kindergarten .. and they have "math club" after
[08:24] <Linus-> CometBaby, if you consider rote memorization learning
[08:24] <Linus-> sure, its important
[08:24] <CryHavoc> CB...the fed needs to get out of Edu business
[08:24] <CometBaby> linus .. its a beginning.
[08:24] <Lupine> linus: heh, my teachers were like WTF??? my dad taught it to me when I was
[08:24] <Katey> I think some rote memorization is necessary
[08:24] <Linus-> but its become the be all end all lately
[08:24] <Lupine> linus: rote meorization of multiplication? sure
[08:24] <CometBaby> I think it is better than NOTHING .. which is what they were getting.
[08:25] <Linus-> the STAR tests are way too lengthy for the younger grades
[08:25] <CryHavoc> teach kids the theory behind multiplication...
[08:25] <Katey> yeah. memorizing multiplication makes later math much much easier
[08:25] <CryHavoc> as they will be able to propagate it
[08:25] <Linus-> kids get so bunred out on them by week's end I'm fairly certain they just do
[08:25] <Lupine> linus: sounds like great training for later on in life to me
[08:25] <CometBaby> Linus, I realize that teachers and most leftists are anti testing, but I
[08:25] <CryHavoc> hear hear
[08:25] <Publius> \
[08:26] <Lupine> but then again, what do I know.. I don't look at young students and think "b
[08:26] <Katey> Obviously, a balance is what you want
[08:26] <Linus-> I'm not talking about rote mult; everyone knows that's necessary
[08:26] <Linus-> I'm not anti-testing
[08:26] <CryHavoc> CB...until they figure a way to shuffle the kid through the grades
[08:26] <CometBaby> all those lazy teachers who were just skakting along .. well, it's time t
[08:26] <Linus-> I'm pro tests that aren't just bubble tests
[08:26] <Katey> Testing can be helpful. But obsessive focus on testing isn't good, imo.
[08:26] <Katey> And there's a lot of that going on.
[08:26] <CryHavoc> CB fire at will could drastically improve teacher quality :)
[08:26] <onebox30> as a member of the california teachers union
[08:26] <Linus-> and for reports and projects that reflect inductive and deductive skills
[08:26] <Linus-> and insight
[08:27] <Lupine> katey: you are right.. focusing only on testing, and not any focus on teache
[08:27] <onebox30> i agree there is ALOT of deadwood :/
[08:27] <CometBaby> thats an interesting concept .. must be the new spin. "In not anti testi
[08:27] <CryHavoc> onebox...yep...protected by your union
[08:27] <Linus-> one test should not reduce all other assessments to nothing
[08:27] <Lupine> CB: well, *bubble* testing is racist! [ remember that one? ]
[08:27] <Katey> In a lot of cases, you can look at test scores at schools and match them up a
[08:27] <onebox30> right, they are keeping the dirty bathwater with the babies
[08:27] <onebox30> so to speak :P
[08:28] <Linus-> some word problems are gonna be culturally or regionally biased
[08:28] <Lupine> well shit, you mean students of successful parents will have a greater empha
[08:28] <Linus-> theres no way around that
[08:28] <onebox30> i vote along party lines
[08:28] <onebox30> but thats just self interest
[08:28] <gopp> oh wow crackers student tend to want to do good in school
[08:28] <Katey> Schools with well off students tend to score well, schools with mostly low in
[08:28] <CryHavoc> oneox wouldn't you rather have the teaching requirements come form your s
[08:28] <gopp> wow if thier parmets are succefull
[08:28] <gopp> wow that common sense
[08:28] <Herzen> go gopp
[08:28] <onebox30> we may be the most powerful union in the US
[08:28] <Herzen> u tell them
[08:28] <L0c0> The Strategic Reserve is an insurance policy meant for a sudden disruption of
[08:28] <onebox30> hell yes CryHavoc
[08:29] <gopp> Katey I guess it the parnets, who are professional prove that being a professi
[08:29] <CryHavoc> onebox...that way the source is closerto the voter
[08:29] <onebox30> i'd even localize it further
[08:29] <Lupine> gopp: i wonder how many of those kids are out selling crack, versus the othe
[08:29] <Linus-> one of the problems with NCLB in regards to its rewards and punishments to s
[08:29] <onebox30> to reflect community culture
[08:29] <Linus-> well, you hit the law of diminishing returns at the upper end
[08:29] <gopp> Katey it proves that kids acting your parnet role, E.g. parnet being a crack d
[08:29] <Lupine> holy shit.. 2% annual improvement? perish the thought!
[08:29] <gopp> is any good
[08:29] * CryHavoc imagines the new Course Curriculum for Compton CA
[08:29] <Linus-> and get into the first standard of error deviation
[08:29] <onebox30> lol CryHavoc
[08:30] <gopp> Linus- @%*
[08:30] <CryHavoc> Firearm disassembly 307
[08:30] <gopp> linus it should 20%
[08:30] <onebox30> Compton 'vocational' Tech
[08:30] <Lupine> testing is the antithesis of moral relativism.. there should not be any "rig
[08:30] <gopp> and that a consertive estimate
[08:30] <Linus-> when your school is already at the top of the scores, 2% can become statisti
[08:30] <Lupine> ch: bah, gang bangers never clean their firearm
[08:30] <CryHavoc> onebox senior project: construct Chain Gun
[08:30] <patch6> http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/11461929212216
[08:30] <onebox30> lol
[08:31] <patch6> hey, kids are getting smarter!
[08:31] <L0c0> no
[08:31] <Lupine> patch: oh you gotta be fucking kidding.. seriously?? jesus
[08:31] <onebox30> i taught in Eritrea
[08:31] <L0c0> the bar is being lowered
[08:31] <CryHavoc> Final: test workmanship in 'hood
[08:31] <Linus-> obviously some in here did poorly in calc
[08:31] <patch6> ok that was bad sarcasm
[08:31] <onebox30> makes Compton look like Disneyland
[08:31] <onebox30> the kids had ashtrays in their desks :/
[08:31] <Lupine> linus: No, I think your summary of the test requirements is suspect.
[08:31] <`426Hemi> thizzle shizzle inle Comptons izzle thizzle Bizzel
[08:31] <Linus-> ashtrays!
[08:31] <CryHavoc> onebox..I bet Ethiopia would be worse
[08:31] <Linus-> lol
[08:31] <CometBaby> You know, maybe y'all have heard about it .. but there is something very
[08:31] <Lupine> one: those were inkpots!
[08:32] <Lupine> CB: what is that.. kids are actually _learning_?
[08:32] <CryHavoc> Eritrea is actually not doing so badly
[08:32] <onebox30> i was just teaching english
[08:32] <L0c0> US imports 21milion barrels, China imports 6 million barrels, India imports 1
[08:32] <`426Hemi> hahaha Comet
[08:32] <onebox30> to mostly wealthy kids
[08:32] <L0c0> where's the high demand?
[08:32] <onebox30> but some war vets
[08:32] <onebox30> messed up kids :/
[08:32] <Linus-> btw, y'all do know that NCLB was based ion a now discredited houston model p
[08:32] <Lupine> CB: here in florida, the state supreme court seems intent at stopping any pr
[08:32] <CryHavoc> onebox...they fought one hell of a civil war there
[08:32] <CometBaby> First .. Omaha is trying to take over the Millard School District. Its
[08:32] <Linus-> that it has since been learned that fraudulent scores were reported by princ
[08:33] <CryHavoc> Haillie Selassie Merriam was a commie shithead
[08:33] <onebox30> if war is hell, then war in africa is hell's hell
[08:33] <Linus-> not faulting paige
[08:33] <Linus-> just pointing out the data was wrong
[08:33] <CometBaby> the school system is superb .. they have all sorts of opportunities there
[08:33] <CryHavoc> Luine...and the EDU institutions too
[08:33] <CometBaby> then right in the middle of this big figt
[08:33] <CometBaby> fight
[08:34] <Linus-> and utah, not exactly your liberal mecca, has decided to forego fed monies a
[08:34] <CometBaby> Omaha announces that they are going to split Omaha school districts into
[08:34] <CometBaby> One white
[08:34] <CometBaby> one black
[08:34] <CometBaby> one mexican
[08:34] <CryHavoc> Omaha is courting trouble
[08:34] <CometBaby> they want to bring back busing
[08:34] <onebox30> i'd rather do it by aptitude level
[08:34] <onebox30> alpha beta and gamma
[08:34] <Lupine> CB: oh jeez..
[08:34] <Linus-> does omaha have a suburb named iraq? ;)
[08:34] <`426Hemi> yeh the NCLB is so bad, yeap, mandating that kids must have the highest le
[08:34] <CryHavoc> cultural separation like that is counter=productive
[08:34] <CometBaby> this whole thing is so amazing I cannot imagine why they are doing it. I
[08:35] <CryHavoc> CB....it should be obvious..
[08:35] <onebox30> i like seperation by talent, skill, motivation & interest
[08:35] <CryHavoc> they can squeeze more money
[08:35] <CometBaby> This whole program was proposed by the biggest racist/activist in Omaha.
[08:35] <onebox30> i like to see winners win and losers lose :>
[08:35] <CryHavoc> the fed gov will slap it down
[08:35] <Linus-> basing the entire curriculum on the passing of one fill in the bubbles test
[08:35] <CometBaby> Ernie Chambers is a black holdover from the 60's .. a black panther type.
[08:35] <TheTailor> CB, shocking.
[08:36] <Linus-> i favor skills-based curriculum in early grades
[08:36] <CryHavoc> ahh Chambers
[08:36] <Lupine> linus: that is the only requirement the kids need to pass, to graduate?
[08:36] <CometBaby> Here is the thing
[08:36] <CometBaby> they will no longer have a school board
[08:36] <Linus-> lup, some states don't allow kids to pass based on that test
[08:36] <Publius> Cry: picked up an almanac
[08:36] <CryHavoc> CB what wil they have in its place....
[08:36] <CryHavoc> a Junta?
[08:36] <Linus-> despite all of the test scores and reports etc turned in for 4 years of HS
[08:36] <CryHavoc> cool Publius
[08:36] <CometBaby> they will a committie .. and all of the members will be APPOINTED. They
[08:36] <Linus-> one test can nullify that
[08:37] <Lupine> linus: Sure, I have no problem with that. Graduation should require the succ
[08:37] <CryHavoc> CB...that is a setup from hell
[08:37] <Lupine> linus: i thought you meant that it was the only requirement.
[08:37] <CometBaby> no more getting elected to the school board .. now you get appointed (fav
[08:37] <Publius> lol
[08:37] <`426Hemi> the bubble tests were not meant to grade the child in how well they perfor
[08:37] <`426Hemi> teachers hate it when their teaching is questioned
[08:37] <Lupine> i believe strongly that a HS diploma should _mean_ something. And if they ca
[08:37] <CryHavoc> Publius...always a good idea to have a current Almanac around
[08:37] <CometBaby> wolfy the only thing I can come up with is that they want to get the mill
[08:37] <TheTailor> CB, how is this being allowed to happen?
[08:37] <Tim-brb> yeah, appointments guarantee integrity
[08:37] <Linus-> a one test gateway is really not a true assessment of learning
[08:37] * Tim-brb is now known as Timur-
[08:37] <CometBaby> once again lowering the *common* denominator
[08:38] <Timur-> Linus: esp not high-stakes testing.
[08:38] <Publius> CryHavoc: it wasn't something I had thought of before...thanks for the tip
[08:38] <CryHavoc> 426....remember...they are the edu professionals.....
[08:38] <Lupine> linus: you are right, they should have to pass the test, plus have say, a 2.
[08:38] <CryHavoc> look what they are doing in NE....
[08:38] <Lupine> i.e. a diploma should be earned, not handled out as candy
[08:38] <Linus-> id be so pissed if all my grades and tests counted for basically nada
[08:38] <Timur-> personally, I'm in favor of PRAXIS testing fot teachers
[08:38] <CryHavoc> they need to be criticized
[08:38] <`426Hemi> Cry tats the problem, the teachers are all pissed that their "authoritey"
[08:38] <CometBaby> and then they plan to completely take away all the funding for the white
[08:38] <Linus-> for me, i do well on bubble tests
[08:38] <Timur-> Lup: but then there's the upward pressure from grades below
[08:38] <Linus-> some kids, smart ones, just don't
[08:38] <Timur-> CB: it's the Jews.
[08:38] <CryHavoc> CB..are you serious??
[08:39] <Lupine> linus: if they can not pass a basic minimum level exam.. they do not deserve
[08:39] <CometBaby> timur the jews are all in Millard
[08:39] <Timur-> Millard?
[08:39] <CometBaby> in the millard school system
[08:39] <Linus-> that's nonsense
[08:39] <Timur-> where's that
[08:39] <CometBaby> scroll back
[08:39] <TheTailor> CB, how is this being allowed to happen? Where are the voters on this?
[08:39] <CometBaby> I don't want to explain it all again
[08:39] <CryHavoc> well CB....that has SCOTUS written all over it
[08:39] <CometBaby> TT its not constitutional .. its got to fall on its face
[08:39] <CryHavoc> thats where it will end
[08:39] <WotGorila> tests mean everything
[08:40] <Timur-> those aren't the real Jews; the real Jews use the Black man as Muscle. - Blu
[08:40] <CometBaby> I just don't understand why they are even attempting it
[08:40] <Linus-> what if at work you were up for a raise every 4 years and it was based solel
[08:40] <CryHavoc> CB damn right it is not constitutonal
[08:40] <Linus-> not all of your accomplishments over those years?
[08:40] <CometBaby> its all so much nonsense why are they wasting their time?
[08:40] <`426Hemi> what if a child is half white and half black? would they go to a "halfway
[08:40] <Linus-> boo
[08:40] <Linus-> lol
[08:40] <Timur-> hah
[08:40] <CryHavoc> CB..its what educrats do
[08:40] <CryHavoc> bbiab
[08:40] <Timur-> well, there's a mission that's being faced which is neither a foolproof scie
[08:41] <Timur-> nor without economic ones
[08:41] <Lupine> linus: Um, having multiple requirements do not mean that only one is importa
[08:41] <CometBaby> anyway there is the big fight going on now .. where omaha schools want to
[08:41] <Lupine> linus: it means they ALL are important: grades, GPA, standarized testing. Y
[08:41] <CometBaby> then they will want to bus kids into the millard system
[08:41] <Linus-> the putting all eggs in one basket approach has pretty much been discounted
[08:41] <CometBaby> and kids in the millard system downtown
[08:41] <Timur-> brb. laundry.
[08:41] * Timur- is now known as Tim-brb
[08:41] <Linus-> but not for graduation from HS!
[08:41] <`426Hemi> Comet yeh but their busses would look cool with "Spinners" on the hub caps
[08:42] <`426Hemi> "Pimp my bus!"
[08:42] <Lupine> linus: strawman, the kids need to pass the exam, AND pass their classes, AND
[08:42] <TheTailor> CB, has this already started?
[08:42] <CometBaby> Elkhorn schools .. are watching all of this. They have already enacted s
[08:43] <Lupine> Frankly, if HS diploma's meant something.. many jobs would not require havin
[08:43] <CometBaby> So what is going to happen is everyone is going to move out of millard an
[08:43] <Lupine> i think graduating should require compleition of one physics class, one chem
[08:44] <`426Hemi> not chemistry
[08:44] <`426Hemi> chemistry is useless
[08:44] <Linus-> there is no one size fits all "standardized" test that can possibly evaluate
[08:44] <Lupine> sociology, us history etc
[08:44] <Lupine> linus: it is not meant to. it is meant to establish an across the board mini
[08:44] <`426Hemi> as my grandpa used to say "The 3 R's"
[08:45] <Linus-> a hs diploma does mean something! a chance at college!
[08:45] <Lupine> linus: right, because they have _whored out_ the standard
[08:45] <Linus-> do they even accept GEDs at community colleges?
[08:45] <Linus-> i hope not
[08:46] <Lupine> *IF* a HS diploma meant something, you would be able to go right into decent
[08:46] <Lupine> now, you have to spend 4 years taking courses that you wont even need just b
[08:46] <Linus-> Lupine, it used to mean something before we offshored all the menial jobs or
[08:46] <WotGorila> Didn't you know...all those JayWalker college students on the tonight sho
[08:47] <Linus-> now everyone is expected to be schooled in tech or engineering or mgmt or se
[08:47] <CometBaby> linus .. I think they are all different. But you know it brings to mind
[08:47] <CometBaby> it was another of those feel good legislations that fell on its face
[08:47] <WotGorila> http://www.break.com/movies/suffrage.html a National School of
[08:47] <CometBaby> instead of putting them into a college where they would do well and succe
[08:48] <Lupine> CB: Florida repealed racist-admissions to its colleges a few years back. Whi
[08:48] <Katey> The job world has changed a lot in the last 30-40 years. It used to be you c
[08:48] <Linus-> i think that's as much anecdotal as anything, considering those students mad
[08:48] <Linus-> Katey, metal shop!
[08:48] <CometBaby> California does so many stupid thing
[08:48] <Katey> The only decent non professional jobs that I know of are skilled trades and m
[08:48] <Lupine> Katey: Well, only because the HS diploma is irrelevent, and many jobs "requi
[08:48] <Linus-> "industrial arts" was a course of study at my HS
[08:49] <Katey> I don't think that's the case really
[08:49] <Katey> I think that there are just more and more people competing for professional j
[08:49] <Lupine> eh? plenty of jobs "require" a college diploma, even thou there is no relati
[08:49] <gopp> Linus- to you all fact is acndetol
[08:49] <CometBaby> well you know .. not all kids are college material. Lets face it. But th
[08:49] <gopp> Linus- racist adminssion is racist
[08:49] <Katey> So that drives people to seek higher and higher credentials
[08:49] <CometBaby> they can go on to own their own business.
[08:49] <Linus-> i don't have a problem with some kid who has been forced due to economic fac
[08:50] <Lupine> katey: right, they hand out HS diploma's like candy. it does not mean anythi
[08:50] <gopp> Linus- forced
[08:50] <Lupine> Linus: ACTUAL economic factors is a different issue than racial bigotry
[08:50] <gopp> no is one is forced it a freemkaret
[08:50] <CometBaby> you don't even have to be able to read to get a diploma anymore
[08:50] <Linus-> in fact, theres something to be admired for those that managed through threa
[08:50] <gopp> CometBaby and youc an use calculator to pass basic math exams
[08:50] <Linus-> Lupine, andZ?
[08:50] <Katey> If fewer people were seeking professional jobs, they would be easier to get w
[08:50] <Lupine> _absolutely_ take FACTS into consideration.
[08:51] <Katey> The job market is just different than it was 35-40 years ago
[08:51] <gopp> race based admission is wrong
[08:51] <Lupine> Katey: for example, an International Baccaulaureate degree often is viewed m
[08:51] <gopp> and linus yes you can go to community to get a ged, and be accetped to the pro
[08:52] <Lupine> gopp: right. Looking at the individual circumstances of the child is fine. B
[08:52] <gopp> Lupine yepe, that degree is far more regious
[08:52] <Linus-> i don't know, i think the one thing that confounds me most about public educ
[08:52] <Katey> Linus-, yeah. I agree.
[08:52] <Lupine> linus: i think stealing taxmoney from a district to go to the federal govern
[08:52] <Linus-> it guarantees vast discrepancies in environment
[08:53] <Lupine> let the people locally decide 100%
[08:53] <Lupine> get the fucking fatcat beurocrats in washington out of the picture
[08:53] <Linus-> Lupine, all men are created equal
[08:53] <Linus-> life liberty pursuit of education
[08:53] <Katey> Linus-, right. But at the same time, given that the system has operated this
[08:53] <gopp> wrong
[08:53] * Tim-brb is now known as Timur-
[08:53] <Linus-> Katey, theres no easy quick fix
[08:53] <gopp> let the local people decide `200%
[08:54] <Katey> Linus-, yep.
[08:54] <`426Hemi> what i think,,, is,,, we need to go back in the records and find out when
[08:54] <gopp> it not your right to tell the community how they spend thiermoney
[08:54] <gopp> idiots
[08:54] <gopp> liberal
[08:54] <Timur-> why is there a Dept of Education, though? Why was it created in the first pl
[08:54] <Katey> Linus-, if anything, I think THERE'S a place for federal money, if any is use
[08:54] <Linus-> but to continue on this way is kinda ostrich like
[08:54] <`426Hemi> and re-evaluate the way we taught then compared to the way we teach now
[08:54] <Linus-> Katey, yes
[08:54] <Linus-> capital funds
[08:54] <`426Hemi> and go back to that standard
[08:54] <Katey> Linus-, to fill in where local property taxes leave financial discrepancies
[08:54] <`426Hemi> schools have more funding than some 3rd world freakin countries these days
[08:54] <Linus-> when the feds get involved in micromanaging districts
[08:55] <Linus-> that's when things go awry
[08:55] <Katey> Linus-, yeah. I agree
[08:55] <Timur-> 426: I think the relatively wealthy US should fund schools reasonably well
[08:55] <Lupine> timur: to upsurp local rights and to fatten the federal government
[08:55] <`426Hemi> i am sick of schools putting sports and "extra curricular" activities ahea
[08:55] <Timur-> though of course there should be oversight
[08:55] <gopp> Linus- you don't need computers or new text book to teach
[08:55] <Timur-> Lup: ah, of course. thanks for clarifying
[08:55] <gopp> all you need is chalk board
[08:55] <gopp> and a easer
[08:55] <Lupine> US schools are highly funded. They just are poorly managed.
[08:55] <gopp> the student need supply the notebook
[08:55] <Timur-> gopp: one less than 30 years old might be good though
[08:55] <gopp> it not up to the school tu spply that
[08:55] <Linus-> fed ed funding is like 10% of most district budgets, yet unfunded mandates f
[08:56] <`426Hemi> and then tax payers foot the bill for new football fields and swimming poo
[08:56] <gopp> Linus- you don't need new textbook
[08:56] <gopp> Linus- that a fallacy
[08:56] <Timur-> Lup: maybe you should read 'Savage Inequalities' excerpted here:
[08:56] <gopp> the subject has not changed
[08:56] <Timur-> http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Third_World_US/JonathanKozol_page.html
[08:56] <gopp> all you need is for teachers to teach
[08:56] <Lupine> "We do not have brand new laptops to give every student one, we're not funde
[08:56] <Linus-> schools in my well to do town charge some fees for sports now
[08:56] <gopp> Linus- you need a merrit based system
[08:56] <Linus-> which i like
[08:56] <`426Hemi> gopp, "When i was a kid" we used to SHARE math books and shit
[08:56] <gopp> Lupine yea, all student need a laptop
[08:56] <Lupine> gop: hell, the newer textbooks are shit.. more fluff, more pictures, less co
[08:56] <gopp> `426Hemi you did wow
[08:56] <Linus-> who said anything about books?
[08:57] <Timur-> gopp: except if there are no materials relevant for, say, history, that is p
[08:57] <Timur-> unless the teacher has an unlimited copier budget, which never happens.
[08:57] <gopp> Lupine yea new text book sucks
[08:57] <Timur-> haha
[08:57] <patch6> at least they should get those $100 laptops that were being pitched sometime
[08:57] <Timur-> yeah, 'new textbooks suck'.
[08:57] <`426Hemi> fuck computers in school
[08:57] <Lupine> timur: in many of the hardsciences, they absolutely do
[08:57] <`426Hemi> at least until they get to highschool
[08:57] <Linus-> I'm talking asbestos laden, lead pipe filled, 45 year old school buildings w
[08:57] <Lupine> especially in math.. "new math".. oh my fucking god
[08:58] <gopp> hmm most student use computers at school, to go on MYSPace
[08:58] <gopp> the only reason kids use computers, is so they can go on myspace
[08:58] <Timur-> Lup: I'll speak to the subjects I teach, and 'new textbooks' in history, eco
[08:58] <Lupine> gopp: hahahahhaha yea
[08:58] <Linus-> vs brand spanking new schools in the wealthy burbs
[08:58] <Timur-> some do, perhaps; mst don't
[08:58] <Timur-> gopp: except things like myspace are banned on most school districts' server
[08:58] <Linus-> that's not an equal starting line
[08:58] <gopp> Timur- student always find a way to go on them
[08:58] <gopp> always
[08:58] <Timur-> nope
[08:58] <Lupine> linus: um, one of the best public schools is in a ~90 year old building
[08:58] <`426Hemi> we used to play "educational games" on computers in school
[08:58] <Timur-> they don't.
[08:58] <Timur-> they might try, but they don't always.
[08:58] <Lupine> timur: um, servers do not run myspace.. myspace is a website
[08:59] <gopp> Timur- my cousin goes to high school
[08:59] <Linus-> lup, I'm sure anyone can cite anecdotal info
[08:59] <Timur-> Lup: the school..servers.. block.. certain sites.
[08:59] <gopp> and they find a way to over come the firewall rules
[08:59] <gopp> and they can go on myspace
[08:59] <gopp> found
[08:59] <Lupine> linus: here is a clue: it is not the age of the building
[08:59] <Linus-> that doesnt refute the discrepancy
[08:59] <Timur-> gopp: then their IT guy / gal needs to be made aware of that
[08:59] <gopp> you can't control the internet
[08:59] <`426Hemi> i personally do not think that computers add very much to the ability of a
[08:59] <Timur-> and the teachers/librarians to supervise better.
[08:59] <Timur-> yes, you can.
[08:59] <Lupine> timur: that's the router/firewall.. not the server
[08:59] <Linus-> duh
[08:59] <gopp> Timur- anyways myspace is just a example
[08:59] <Timur-> Rusty: I agree it can be abused, but research is a pretty great thing
[09:00] <Linus-> what other variable will you isolate, from the constellation i was implying?
[09:00] <Timur-> *sklls
[09:00] <Timur-> Lup: the router / firewall through which the server accesses the net, fine.
[09:00] <gopp> Timur- I think books are better for research
[09:00] <`426Hemi> Timur, researching is one thing, but using that research that is found on
[09:00] <Timur-> gopp: can be
[09:00] <gopp> kids will use research they found on google
[09:00] <gopp> and it can be false
[09:00] <Lupine> linus: actually, some of the fanciest schools are very old.. they dont bjui
[09:00] <gopp> or unture, or they just copy paste
[09:00] <Timur-> Rusty: that's debatable; but sometimes, sure
[09:01] <Timur-> gopp: that's why critical assessment of websites is taught
[09:01] <Timur-> given prior knowledge
[09:01] <`426Hemi> its giving kids a false sense of knowing something, when they don't know t
[09:01] <gopp> and how about copy paste
[09:01] <gopp> Timur- it was better then kids had type writers
[09:01] <Timur-> I've taught in public schools when kids were using library computers to do r
[09:01] <gopp> and they could not copy paste
[09:01] <Linus-> dark, dank, dingy, decrepit facilities aren't exactly a beacon for kids whos
[09:01] <Timur-> wait, are we speaking of our own collective experience here, or in general?
[09:01] <`426Hemi> its like saying "OHHH! I know it! I found it on the internet!"
[09:01] <gopp> Linus-` all you need to do is teach, that abou tit
[09:02] <Lupine> timur: anyways, give me 10 year old textbooks, with Pentium computers and a
[09:02] <Linus-> about tits?
[09:02] <Linus-> w00h00
[09:02] <Timur-> gopp: have you ever taught anything?
[09:02] <Timur-> I have
[09:02] <gopp> Linus- math
[09:02] <Linus-> or taught tit
[09:02] <Timur-> I don't need computers
[09:02] <gopp> I toutred math
[09:02] <Linus-> omigod
[09:02] <Linus-> tortured math?
[09:02] <gopp> and I use the old school method of teaching mathj
[09:02] <gopp> the belt on one side
[09:02] <Lupine> timur: ah, but many teachers DO claim without computers, they are "underfund
[09:02] <Linus-> the one discounting spelling
[09:02] <`426Hemi> Linus???? back when yours and my grand parents were kids, and their parent
[09:02] <Timur-> but I damn sure want them available if there's a research assignment or if I
[09:02] <gopp> and the book on other other side
[09:03] <gopp> if my student who I teach, can't do the math
[09:03] <gopp> I have the fear factor
[09:03] <`426Hemi> don't sit here and complain about the buildings they have, they should be
[09:03] <gopp> of the ruller or belt
[09:03] <Linus-> `426Hemi, yeah, and nary a gangbanger along the way!
[09:03] <gopp> Linus- who put the gangbangers thier
[09:03] <Linus-> one room schoolhouses means teacher actually knows your name!
[09:03] <gopp> liinu and it mostly liberal who control this schools
[09:03] <`426Hemi> well put a foot in the ass of these gangbangers and stop being freakin pus
[09:03] <`426Hemi> "get the fuck out of here if you don't want to learn"
[09:03] <Timur-> Lup: fair enough, but remember, with high-stakes testing, any perceived adva
[09:03] <`426Hemi> its that simple
[09:03] <gopp> Linus- look nyc public are doing better becuase bloomberg said your fired to m
[09:04] <Linus-> and you're not being victimized by other students in a faceless 3000 kid sch
[09:04] <Timur-> which is almost certainly more symptomatic than causal, but that's hard to p
[09:04] <`426Hemi> Linus, teachers always have an excuse not to teach
[09:04] <Linus-> bloom did a lot more than that
[09:04] <Timur-> gopp: those union workers having nothing to do with teaching however
[09:04] <Timur-> and yeah, a lot more than that.
[09:04] <Linus-> what does this have to doi with teachers?
[09:04] <`426Hemi> "Ohh the building is decrepit!" "Ohhh the gangbangers" "Ohh the kids won't
[09:04] <Linus-> i am talking about ONE factor that the feds CAN control
[09:04] <`426Hemi> fucking teachers have more excuses than alcoholics on a binge
[09:04] <Linus-> the quality of the facility
[09:05] <Timur-> 426: if you've ever dealt with kids/parents/administrators, you might unders
[09:05] <gopp> Linus- if you can't teach gangbangers then don't teach
[09:05] <Linus-> don't even bother
[09:05] <`426Hemi> ADministrators aren't teachers?
[09:05] <gopp> your a bad teacher, if you can't teach gangbangers
[09:05] <Timur-> no, principals generally..don't teach.
[09:05] <`426Hemi> lets face it they are part of the "teacher factor"
[09:05] <gopp> your a bad teacher if you can'
[09:05] <gopp> t teach
[09:06] <Linus-> wow, amazing all the high achievfers in here pointing out the error of my wa
[09:06] <gopp> thier should be no excuse
[09:06] <Timur-> and damn sure parents, let alone random outside commentators aren't teachers
[09:06] <Linus-> ive been so blind
[09:06] <Timur-> Linus: ironic, ain't it
[09:06] <`426Hemi> Timur, administrators in NY are required to have at LEAST a masters degree
[09:06] <gopp> Linus- I never said your are bad teacher
[09:06] <Timur-> thank goodness we have this foil
[09:06] <`426Hemi> most times a doctorate
[09:06] <Timur-> 426: different role, however.
[09:06] <`426Hemi> Timur, no its not a different roll
[09:06] <Timur-> administrators may *have* been teachers, but as administrators, they don't t
[09:06] <gopp> I said thier many bad teachers who can't teach
[09:06] <Timur-> it is.
[09:06] <Linus-> oh, you chose to pursue that path just for the hell of it?
[09:07] <Timur-> a principal is a manger and doesn't.. teach.
[09:07] <gopp> yes many choose teaching becuase it one of easyiest majors in college
[09:07] <Timur-> *manager/ administrator / bureaucrat
[09:07] <gopp> sire
[09:07] <Linus-> so, what about addressing the point i was trying to make?
[09:07] <gopp> sure
[09:07] <`426Hemi> the only difference in roll is the ability to tell the fucking teachers to
[09:07] <Timur-> rle.
[09:07] <Linus-> the govt has little control over many factors in kids lives
[09:07] <gopp> teaching is the easyiest major you less likely to flunk
[09:07] <`426Hemi> if a teacher can't teach, they should be fucking fired
[09:07] <`426Hemi> period
[09:07] <gopp> `426Hemi correct
[09:07] <Linus-> but they could level the playing field a bit better on this 1 factor
[09:07] <gopp> `426Hemi I bet if you had a class with gangbangers and you taought e.g. histor
[09:08] <Timur-> except that's reductio ad absurdum, for the most part, and doesn't adequatel
[09:08] <gopp> `426Hemi if the govermetn didn't set any laws
[09:08] <CometBaby> level the playing field = bring everyone down to the lowest common denomi
[09:08] <gopp> I bet `426Hemi could teach gangbangers hitory, if he wanted to
[09:08] <Linus-> wow, y'all don't let emotions cue talking pts much
[09:08] <gopp> And he need no master in history
[09:08] <`426Hemi> gopp, yes they would pass, i would enforce my own damn laws in my own damn
[09:08] <gopp> `426Hemi THAT how it was
[09:08] <Timur-> and then you get shit from the principal for passing the buck to him
[09:09] <`426Hemi> wrong
[09:09] <Timur-> and from the parents from sendign their little angels out.
[09:09] <Linus-> `426Hemi, so, pass the problem onto others
[09:09] <`426Hemi> THAT is the principals JOB!
[09:09] <gopp> little angels
[09:09] <Timur-> except when the principal has 2 dozen kids in his office..
[09:09] <Linus-> actually, its the parents job
[09:09] <`426Hemi> thats his problem
[09:09] <Timur-> and has to deal with a broken boiler
[09:09] <Timur-> and a budget committee
[09:09] <Linus-> but good luck there
[09:09] <`426Hemi> its up to the principal to relay the problems to the teacher
[09:09] <`426Hemi> to the parent
[09:09] <Timur-> and building management, and the school district bureaucracy, and etc.
[09:09] * Publius yawns
[09:10] <Linus-> actually, not in most large schools
[09:10] <`426Hemi> that is all part of school administration
[09:10] <Timur-> another problem is excessive compartmentalization of depts
[09:10] <CometBaby> it's a "pass the buck" problem. The schools love to say that *they* know
[09:10] <Linus-> parents are told to deal with teacher first, and vice versa
[09:10] <`426Hemi> if he/she can't handle the job of being a principal then he/she shouldn't
[09:10] <Timur-> it is, but it doesn't mean the principal has unlimited time to deal with an
[09:10] <Linus-> before principal agrees to get involved
[09:10] <gopp> Linus- yea blame the parnets
[09:10] <Timur-> the parents are often to blame.
[09:10] <Linus-> ???
[09:10] <gopp> Linus- teachers love to blame parnets
[09:10] <Linus-> i wasn't blaming anyone
[09:10] <Timur-> gopp: because often they deserve it.
[09:11] <Linus-> i wasn't blaming anyone
[09:11] <gopp> Timur- oh
[09:11] <Timur-> and that goes for poor and wealthy districts alike.
[09:11] <gopp> do I scroll up
[09:11] <gopp> and paste it
[09:11] <Linus-> you really are full of it
[09:11] <Timur-> paste what
[09:11] <`426Hemi> Timur, the endless stream of problem children, is preventing the entire cl
[09:11] <gopp> Timur- oh I see you may be right
[09:11] <Linus-> I'm waiting
[09:11] <Timur-> that's true, but what to do about them, then?
[09:11] <`426Hemi> we do not have time to waste on idiot stick kids that would rather be outs
[09:11] <Publius> Linus is a bully
[09:11] <`426Hemi> fuck them
[09:11] <Linus-> can you say "knee jerk" boys and girls?
[09:12] <`426Hemi> thats THEIR problem, when they quit school at 15-16 years old and decide o
[09:12] <gopp> 12:09] <Linus-> actually, its the parents job
[09:12] <Timur-> how about when you're teaching in the inner city and the kid you're teaching
[09:12] <gopp> 12:09] <Linus-> actually, its the parents job
[09:12] <gopp> Linus- so blame the parnets not the teacher
[09:12] <Timur-> gopp: it's everyone's job, really.
[09:12] <Linus-> the parents job to keep their kids on the straight and narrow is blaming?
[09:12] <`426Hemi> why should i spend hours upon hours wasting time with one student when we
[09:12] <gopp> so say that
[09:12] <Timur-> parents, teachers, administrators, people in the community-churches and such
[09:12] <Linus-> so, you agree with hillary then?
[09:12] <gopp> Linus- you blaming the parnets, for not educating thier kids
[09:12] <Linus-> i wasn't blaming anyone
[09:12] <Timur-> if all those pieces aren't in place, then the kids will tend to suffer. and
[09:13] <gopp> Linus- parnets are not teachers, teach educated on math, english, and history
[09:13] <`426Hemi> i tell yah, if i acted up in school, i got my ass kicked at home
[09:13] <gopp> that the teacher jobs
[09:13] <Linus-> i was assigning responsibility for child-rearing
[09:13] <`426Hemi> SEVERELY
[09:13] <Timur-> Rusty: except that's actionable now
[09:13] <Linus-> gop, it was in reference to behavior
[09:13] <gopp> HMM
[09:13] <Linus-> quit fucking trying to put words in my mouth
[09:13] <gopp> Linus- I didn't you said your self
[09:13] <gopp> 12:09] <Linus-> actually, its the parents job
[09:14] <Linus-> and where is the blaming?
[09:14] <Timur-> "Why are you cursing? I'm not cursing." - Ben Kingsley, Sexy Beast
[09:14] <`426Hemi> Timur thats the whole thing, parents can't control their kids anymore for
[09:14] <Linus-> and what was i blaming on them?
[09:14] <`426Hemi> hahaha
[09:14] <`426Hemi> fuck that
[09:14] <gopp> Linus- hmm impiled
[09:14] <Timur-> it's just a comment on the necessary parts of a system to all be functioning
[09:14] <Linus-> no, it wasn't
[09:14] <Timur-> Rusty: that's part of it, sure.
[09:14] <gopp> if I was a teacher and a student acted UP
[09:14] <gopp> I would kick his ass
[09:14] <gopp> with a ruller
[09:14] <`426Hemi> oh now the kid got a foot in his ass because he acted up! boo hoo hoooo
[09:14] <gopp> no pricincipal
[09:14] <Linus-> it was you once again making false assumptions
[09:15] <gopp> I would get a paper from the parnets
[09:15] <gopp> to sign
[09:15] <Linus-> based on your stereotypes
[09:15] <`426Hemi> you go to jail for that type of shit
[09:15] <gopp> if you want your student to learn
[09:15] <gopp> sign this paper
[09:15] <Timur-> Rusty: in Camden, kids have beepers that go off in class so they can do drug
[09:15] <gopp> I hereby allow my sign to be hit with a ruler, if he misbehaves
[09:15] <gopp> in class
[09:15] <Timur-> that happens all the time.
[09:15] <Timur-> and kids get pregnant, or fall afoul of the law.
[09:15] <bmc> trent lott: the message to big oil is, they better get the price of gasoline do
[09:16] <Timur-> and even with all these difficulties, sometimes, a teacher can still reach t
[09:16] <bmc> if profits keep rising, salaries keep rising congress will do something, that m
[09:16] <Timur-> I just finished Frank McCourt's 'Teacher Man', which is excellent, and descr
[09:16] <bmc> wtf is that? heh
[09:16] <Linus-> hit but not hug
[09:16] <Timur-> I'd highly recommend it to all
[09:16] <TheTailor> bmc, Lott doesn't control shit, the message is to the American people, CO
[09:16] <Linus-> how far we've devolved
[09:16] <gopp> ca teacher suck
[09:17] <gopp> they can't do a good job of getting kids out of gangs
[09:17] <Linus-> you suck
[09:17] <Linus-> period
[09:17] <gopp> and in to the classroom
[09:17] <Timur-> Linus: one hopes the pendulum swings back
[09:17] <Linus-> the end
[09:17] <gopp> k
[09:17] <Timur-> gopp: they can, but again, a teacher without other support is like a buildin
[09:17] <Timur-> the kid being the building
[09:17] * Linus- goes to the "blanket" statment cache
[09:17] <patch6> School curriculum seems to be undergoing a gradual simplification, curriculu
[09:17] <gopp> but I know if I had a paper that said I would kick your kid out of my class ro
[09:17] <gopp> I sign up
[09:17] <gopp> in the being of school term
[09:17] <gopp> so if the parnets allows me to spank thierkids, I would
[09:18] <bmc> TheTailor i was just referring to him saying congress might do something thats
[09:18] <gopp> if they misbehave
[09:18] <`426-Hemi> god damned modem died
[09:18] <gopp> Timur- check this out Linus- you to `426-Hemi
[09:18] <Timur-> gopp: you might, but sadly many parents don't wanna be bothered
[09:18] <gopp> my sister went to some body from my family parnets teacher school night to tra
[09:18] <gopp> in spanish
[09:18] <`426-Hemi> I don't believe that Timur
[09:18] <Timur-> like, 1 out of 10 parents would come for parent-teacher conferences in Camde
[09:18] <Timur-> if that
[09:18] <gopp> and one of the teacher who spoke no spanish
[09:18] <Linus-> the amount of hrs required by state laws to be spent on language arts and ma
[09:18] <gopp> was being asked of some who spoke both english and spanish
[09:18] <Timur-> Rusty: just stating my experience
[09:18] <`426-Hemi> I think most parents want their kids to get good educations but their han
[09:18] <gopp> my sister said sure I will
[09:19] <gopp> the teacher was trying to tell the mother that her son was not doign NO HW
[09:19] <CometBaby> I just don't believe in hitting kids. I would never hit my kids or allow
[09:19] <gopp> homework
[09:19] <`426-Hemi> god forbid if you cause "mental anguish" to your child
[09:19] <Timur-> Rusty: that's also true in part, and there's also the fact that a lot of par
[09:19] <gopp> the mother told my sister in spanish when I get home, I will spank the shit of
[09:19] <gopp> he lied
[09:19] <gopp> to me
[09:19] <Timur-> due to their own early experiences.
[09:19] <gopp> I bet the kid did better afterwards
[09:19] <Publius> America produces 7.61 million bbl of oil a day; we consume 20.03 million bb
[09:19] <Linus-> CometBaby, not even a toddler who runs into traffic?
[09:19] <`426-Hemi> Timur i had a friend who almost went to jail because he cut his kids hair
[09:19] <TheTailor> CometBaby, sometimes ya need to get a willow switch.
[09:19] <gopp> Linus- a kids who touches a hot stove of runs in traffic
[09:19] <Linus-> sometimes reasoning isn't gonna do the trick
[09:19] <gopp> needs to be spanked
[09:20] <bmc> Publius we use too much oil?
[09:20] <`426-Hemi> the teacher accused my friend of "choking" his own kid
[09:20] <CometBaby> linus ... of course not. You have to teach them by example. Use your wo
[09:20] <gopp> use your hands
[09:20] <gopp> spank them
[09:20] <gopp> it works
[09:20] <Linus-> I'm against corporal punishment
[09:20] <`426-Hemi> they almost had their son taken away
[09:20] <TheTailor> CometBaby, babies put therer fingers in wall sockets, you have to slap th
[09:20] <Linus-> but for me that's an easy one
[09:20] <gopp> I am pro corporal punishment
[09:20] <`426-Hemi> exactly Tailor
[09:20] <gopp> yepe
[09:20] <bmc> spanking works with some kids
[09:20] <bmc> doesnt with others
[09:20] <Linus-> the potential consequences are too irreversible
[09:20] <Timur-> Rusty: dang
[09:20] <Timur-> did they use a rusty razor or somethng?
[09:20] <CometBaby> TT no you don't. You need to teach them what they can and cannot do with
[09:20] <`426-Hemi> I'd rather see a kid get a blistered ass than run down by a car
[09:20] <gopp> my sister was liek I had to tell the mother the truth
[09:21] <Timur-> "what do we do with a drunken sailor" "shave his belly with a rusty razor"
[09:21] <gopp> and she did a translation, in to spanish, and the mother was like when I get h
[09:21] <Publius> bmc: not really. it says we are not that dependent on Iran if not the the e
[09:21] <gopp> Timur- lol
[09:21] <Linus-> and 3-4 year olds in highly stimulating environments are always focused on y
[09:21] <TheTailor> CometBaby, you can't explain that putting something conductive into a wal
[09:21] <`426-Hemi> Timur, no my friend is black, and he used a towel to "catch the hair"and
[09:21] <gopp> Timur- teachers should be allowed in the state of NJ to spank
[09:21] <Linus-> are NOT
[09:21] <bmc> Publius oh i know, we dont even import any oil from iran
[09:21] <`426-Hemi> so his hair is real "fibrous"
[09:21] <TheTailor> CometBaby, but when you slap thier hand, they learn not to.
[09:21] <gopp> lol
[09:21] <Timur-> gopp: perhaps, but it isn't the case now, nor do I expect it to be anytime s
[09:22] <`426-Hemi> Timur, this guy went through a year and a half of child welfare inspectio
[09:22] <`426-Hemi> it was completely and utterly disgusting
[09:22] <Timur-> a teacher can if he/she so chooses intervene in a fight. When the students i
[09:22] <Linus-> i propose offshoring the middle east
[09:22] <Linus-> oh wait
[09:22] <gopp> Timur- the town I live in know, has jr and grammer school kids wearing uniform
[09:22] <Publius> bmc: I'm just kind of talking to air hear...so I'm not assuming anything..j
[09:22] <gopp> Timur- is this state law know
[09:22] <Publius> here
[09:22] <Timur-> Rusty: was there a history of abuse, alleged or otherwise?
[09:22] <patch6> you can punish a kid without coercion
[09:22] <Timur-> gopp: I'm in favor of uniforms.
[09:22] <gopp> Timur- and soon I heard next year that high school student will also wear unif
[09:22] <bmc> they were mentioning on cnn, barbara boxer and trent lott, about drilling off t
[09:22] <Timur-> good
[09:22] <gopp> they are phase each year a new grade or something
[09:23] <Timur-> there should be uniforms all through school, imo
[09:23] <`426-Hemi> nope, the teacher COACHED my friends kid to say that his "Dad wrapped a t
[09:23] <Timur-> that bastard!
[09:23] <`426-Hemi> and "choked him"
[09:23] <Linus-> can you believe that no iraquis are working on the construction of the US em
[09:23] <gopp> Timur- is it state law, or just locally here
[09:23] <bmc> even mentioned the possibility of drilling off the coast of cali
[09:23] <Timur-> and it was a scratchy towel too
[09:23] <`426-Hemi> yeap
[09:23] <Linus-> theyve hired turks and jordanians etc
[09:23] <US-Male> teachers have balls. I remember one little principal dragged me down to t
[09:23] <bmc> but boxer opposes drilling in ANWR
[09:23] <Timur-> gopp: local; my HS has no uniform
[09:23] <bmc> lott supports it
[09:23] <Timur-> neither Cherry Hill nor Haddonfield
[09:23] <`426-Hemi> my buddy Will showed the police the towel with Jarred's hair all over it
[09:23] <gopp> Timur- wow, and it a public school to
[09:23] <Timur-> right
[09:23] <gopp> I am surpised who pays for this uniforms
[09:23] <Linus-> oil industry isn't drooling over anwr currently
[09:23] <Timur-> those are both public HSs
[09:24] <gopp> yea
[09:24] <bmc> theres not even that much oil there
[09:24] <gopp> union city
[09:24] <Timur-> gopp: parents, generally.
[09:24] <Linus-> and the dividends are ten years off from the approval
[09:24] <`426-Hemi> Timur you ever shave and get the stubble all over?
[09:24] <`426-Hemi> it was like that
[09:24] <bmc> how much would it cost to have oil flowing from ANWR?
[09:24] <`426-Hemi> like sand paper kind of almost
[09:24] <gopp> Timur- but, if they don't then the kids can't go to school
[09:24] <Timur-> Rusty: yeah
[09:24] <bmc> how much would it return?
[09:24] <Linus-> to lower 48?
[09:24] <Timur-> gopp: good
[09:24] <gopp> Timur- what if the parnets can't afford it
[09:24] <`426-Hemi> Timur, THEN! my friend got a pit bull puppy
[09:24] <Linus-> or to japan? like current alaskan pipeline oil?
[09:24] <Linus-> ;)
[09:24] <gopp> or kid chooses not to wear uniforms
[09:24] <CometBaby> TT you don't have to slap their hand. It's a choice parents make. I choos
[09:24] <Timur-> then there should be a funding mechanism to get them
[09:24] <Timur-> the kid doesn't get to choose to wear it or not
[09:24] <abum> did anyone see stephen colbert at the white house correspondents dinner
[09:25] <Timur-> they're.. kids.
[09:25] <`426-Hemi> the CWS lady tried to say that it was not a good sign......
[09:25] <gopp> Timur- I know that it is know locally all public school kids and next year hig
[09:25] <Publius> LOL
[09:25] <`426-Hemi> soooo, I went to the internet and went to the AKC kennel club association
[09:25] <Publius> Do we import nearly *all* of Venezuela's crude oil?
[09:25] <Publius> produced
[09:25] <Timur-> gopp: good, that'll minimize some bad interactions based on fashion
[09:25] <US-Male> see there are some kids though, who have no respect for the actual concept
[09:25] <gopp> Timur- do you think, it could happen since my area is hispanic, that pta would
[09:25] <`426-Hemi> and downloaded and printed out the entire information on American Staffor
[09:25] <Linus-> i don't see how a good swat on the backside on rare, dangerous situations is
[09:25] <TheTailor> CometBaby, yep, it's your choice, and I chose to slap that hand, Matthew
[09:25] <Linus-> well, if you play DE in NFL
[09:26] <Linus-> maybe
[09:26] <Timur-> gopp: I think that'd be shot down at the state law level
[09:26] <`426-Hemi> and handed it to the lady, it specifically said "Excellent dog with child
[09:26] <`426-Hemi> hahhahaha
[09:26] <gopp> Timur- even if the communitys agrees
[09:26] <`426-Hemi> i highlighted it
[09:26] <CometBaby> TT my parents never hit me. I have that experience to fall back on. You
[09:26] <gopp> dam big goverment
[09:26] <`426-Hemi> she STFU
[09:26] <bmc> The estimates of the technically-recoverable oil (i.e. ignoring the market pric
[09:26] * Publius notes that Canada has more oil in reserve than Iran?
[09:26] <gopp> CometBaby and that good
[09:26] <gopp> but CometBaby even if they would of hit you
[09:26] <gopp> you would of turned good
[09:26] <Linus-> bmc, that's a drop
[09:26] <gopp> your an execption
[09:26] <bmc> The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates that if the green light i
[09:26] <gopp> CometBaby somes kids need tobe hit
[09:26] <TheTailor> CometBaby, if you don't have the ability to communicate, physical actions
[09:26] <DrDetr0it> damn, that URL for chan title makes me mill
[09:27] <DrDetr0it> ill
[09:27] <Linus-> let canada thrash its northern provinces
[09:27] <US-Male> my mom spanked us good. My brother used to laugh while she was spanking h
[09:27] <bmc> 2010...
[09:27] <Linus-> for sand oil
[09:27] <TheTailor> CometBaby, but it's the parent's call.
[09:27] <gopp> US-Male he did
[09:27] <US-Male> I had the good sense to pretend that it hurt
[09:27] <`426-Hemi> hahahahh US
[09:27] <CometBaby> well thanks .. but I just don't believe that kids ever HAVE to be hit.
[09:27] <Publius> '426-Hemi: are gas prices rising because of speculation?
[09:27] <Publius> is that really it...
[09:27] <gopp> US-Male but it never hurt you
[09:27] <Linus-> US-Male, exactly
[09:27] <Timur-> gopp: it's not 'big government' as such, but government as a reflection of t
[09:27] <US-Male> gop hell yes he did, he laughed right while being spanked
[09:27] <Timur-> the government makes the laws most people want at a given time
[09:27] <Katey> I've never hit my two kids. But neither one of them are especially difficult
[09:27] <`426-Hemi> Publius, its called a "triple witching"
[09:27] <Linus-> i got into a lot of trouble, but was smart enough to not talk back or piss t
[09:27] <gopp> US-Male that great, I would of loved to watch that
[09:27] <Timur-> and enforces them. If people want different laws, then they tell their legis
[09:27] <DrDetr0it> heya publius
[09:27] <TheTailor> CometBaby, you are entitled to your opinion, from experiance I can tell y
[09:27] <`426-Hemi> High demand, lack of supply, and speculation
[09:28] <US-Male> gopp nah how is a spanking gonna hurt us -- we were like 8-12 years old
[09:28] <Linus-> nowadays i canmt believe how much kids try to argue
[09:28] <Timur-> Katey: you got that right
[09:28] <Linus-> as if!
[09:28] <bmc> Assuming an optimistic scenario in which the mean expected technically recovera
[09:28] <Timur-> sometimes I have to be pretty drill-sergeant-like in classrooms
[09:28] <abum> i never hit my kids, i find that waving the gun around gets the job done
[09:28] <gopp> US-Male not hurt, but as in hurt like sting
[09:28] <Publius> '426-Hemi: sounds like nothing to do with reality
[09:28] <Publius> ?
[09:28] <Linus-> `426-Hemi, and gouging
[09:28] <gopp> what the word, sting
[09:28] <Timur-> verbally, of course, only; not physically.
[09:28] <Katey> Timur-, well, sometimes I have to be that way at home too. :)
[09:28] <Timur-> Katey: then you understand. :)
[09:28] <gopp> US-Male did you father ever spank you
[09:28] <gopp> or hit with a belt
[09:28] <Linus-> gallon price, once it passed $3 here, went to 3.19 in 2 days!
[09:28] <Linus-> wtf?
[09:28] <`426-Hemi> publius well, the thing is with that publius is that the oil refineries h
[09:28] <gopp> Katey you never spanked your kids
[09:28] <Katey> Timur-, But my two kids are pretty typical. They're not angels but they don'
[09:28] <US-Male> gopp: oh yes is stung -- but you know what my brother taught me ? You ge
[09:28] <`426-Hemi> there are some 20-40 blends of different types of gasoline
[09:28] <bmc> apparently they have explored
[09:29] <Linus-> i wouldnt spank for issues!
[09:29] <`426-Hemi> that switch over is mandated by the government
[09:29] <bmc> ANWR, 1002 Area, Petroleum Assessment, 1998, Including Economic Analysis
[09:29] <CometBaby> I've never hit a child. I would never hit a child.
[09:29] <Linus-> id spank for safety!
[09:29] <Timur-> Katey: good.. that's largely attributable to you doing your job as parent an
[09:29] <`426-Hemi> in order to prevent smog and pollution
[09:29] <Linus-> bumpersticker
[09:29] <US-Male> gopp: by the time dad got home my brother and I had on 10 pairs of underwea
[09:29] <gopp> US-Male hahahahahah
[09:29] <Katey> Timur-, maybe. There's also temperment though.
[09:29] <US-Male> gop: the important thing to rememer is you have to *pretend* it hurts then
[09:29] <US-Male> you can't act all badass
[09:29] <Linus-> actually, ethanol doesnt burn as cleanly as the MTBE mix
[09:29] <FIRO> hi haw r y
[09:29] <Timur-> Katey: granted, but with good parenting, temperamental issues tend to be an
[09:29] <Linus-> the problem with MTBE was ground water pollution
[09:29] <gopp> US-Male NO wonder, why some parnets ask to be bare bottom
[09:29] <`426-Hemi> hehe Comet, even Michael Landon on Little House spanked his kids=P
[09:29] <Katey> I've seen a couple of really nice, kind, stable people produce a kid that exh
[09:30] <Linus-> and runoff
[09:30] <Katey> Very intense personality
[09:30] <DrDetr0it> I'm with CometBaby on that, what message does one send ? I'd say peopl
[09:30] <gopp> US-Male so you you fake a cry
[09:30] <US-Male> gopp: sometimes. It's a matter of respect
[09:30] <gopp> you had to spank DrDetr0it it shows kids respect
[09:30] <US-Male> lol
[09:30] <`426-Hemi> you always heard Shortcake talking about getting "branded" by "Pa"
[09:30] <DrDetr0it> this entire 'terrorism' is about use of physical force to some degree
[09:30] <Timur-> Katey: were they kind, stable, but enabling of bad behavior (like excessive
[09:30] <gopp> even if it don't sting or hurt it respect
[09:30] <CometBaby> rusty .. well, he wouldn't spank mine :)
[09:30] <gopp> CometBaby do you parnets who do spank thier kids
[09:30] <CometBaby> or he would deal with the wrath of comet :)
[09:30] <`426-Hemi> i used to get my ass kicked
[09:30] <TheTailor> Katey, my second ex kicked her boys asses all the time, they never learne
[09:30] <`426-Hemi> severely
[09:31] <DrDetr0it> if Iran can't resolve through diplomacy as China would so much idealize,
[09:31] <gopp> `426-Hemi what if you teacher called your house
[09:31] <DrDetr0it> or threaten it
[09:31] <US-Male> gop: you don't have to actually cry -- but you can't LAUGH like my brother
[09:31] <`426-Hemi> i left home when it came to my dad punching me in the face
[09:31] <TheTailor> Kids will behave, or they won't.
[09:31] <bmc> they have shock bracelets for really troubled kids nowadays, sort of a controve
[09:31] <Katey> Timur-, not any more than average, I imagine. I do think the kid's very inte
[09:31] <wiretapp> I think its best to show kids by example
[09:31] <gopp> US-Male not even the belt stung your bother
[09:31] <CometBaby> gopp .. I tend to mind my own business .. I know what my belief is .. I a
[09:31] <wiretapp> Thats why fathers who beat their wifes or kids the kids are more likely to
[09:31] <Timur-> Katey: I wonder what the nature of the kid's personality is..
[09:31] <US-Male> gopp: one day she broke a metal spatula on my brother's laughing ass and i
[09:31] <DrDetr0it> people who beat people need to be beaten !
[09:31] <bmc> moms spanking doesnt work
[09:31] <`426-Hemi> wiretapp thats bullshit
[09:31] <Timur-> I mean 'intense' is pretty broad
[09:32] <TheTailor> CometBaby, there is of course a difference between a spanking and abuse.
[09:32] <`426-Hemi> heh
[09:32] <US-Male> gop: she decided not to spank anymore after that
[09:32] <Katey> Timur-, their second kid is pretty mild mannered. Their third kid show some
[09:32] <bmc> we used to just laugh when my mom spanked us
[09:32] <Publius> I got my ass kicked as a kid..it was because of my personality
[09:32] <wiretapp> `426-Hemi no its not they have a bunch of studies on it...
[09:32] <bmc> dad would get home and pull off the belt
[09:32] <`426-Hemi> my grandfather never laid a hand on my dad ever, my dad spoke about it ma
[09:32] <gopp> US-Male dam, I bet your bother got you in lots of trouble youo never did
[09:32] <bmc> you knew shit was about to hit the fan then
[09:32] <`426-Hemi> my dad used to kick my ass
[09:32] <Katey> Timur-, he's super charismatic on the one hand, and very driven
[09:32] <DrDetr0it> I think people who beat are deeply unconsciouslly playing out massochism,
[09:32] <US-Male> gopp: nah he wasn't the only one -- lol
[09:32] <gopp> oh
[09:32] <wiretapp> lol well there are always exceptions
[09:32] <US-Male> gop: he was definitely the worse one, but I was no angel
[09:32] <DrDetr0it> everyone knows what happens eventually with the 'beating' game, eventual
[09:32] <gopp> :)
[09:32] <Timur-> Katey: those are positive attributes..
[09:33] <Katey> Timur-, he can charm his way out of or into a lot, and just generally steamro
[09:33] <Katey> Timur-, they can be very positive
[09:33] <`426-Hemi> when my dad popped me in the face a couple of times it was time for me to
[09:33] <Timur-> is he also spoiled, manipulative and domineering though?
[09:33] <gopp> I belive kids need to earn respect and learn respect
[09:33] <abum> i wonder how many ties can you spank a kid before it is abuse
[09:33] <Katey> Timur-, they can also be very difficult to manage
[09:33] <gopp> sapnking is just a tool
[09:33] <bmc> hey you could always just pay the neighborhood kids to kick their ass
[09:33] <bmc> learn em real good
[09:33] <Katey> Timur-, He's not spoiled. But he is domineering and manipulative.
[09:33] <gopp> Katey you just never had stuburron kids
[09:33] <`426-Hemi> i don't think spanking should go beyond the obvious
[09:34] <bmc> 'you disresprect your mother?... take that!'
[09:34] <Timur-> Katey: then his parents should step in and bring him down a notch
[09:34] <gopp> Katey you never had to go to parnet and techer night to hear the bad yoru kid
[09:34] <`426-Hemi> the kids cry, balling his eyes out, its time to stop
[09:34] <Timur-> I have a kid like that
[09:34] <Katey> Well, perhaps he's spoiled by how easy it is for him to talk his way into and
[09:34] <Publius> Timur: lol...have you read about the Taliban killing the Indian engineer..a
[09:34] <Publius> ahahaha
[09:34] <DrDetr0it> spanking would indeed cut to the chase and get the message across, but in
[09:34] <Publius> stupid terrorist
[09:34] * ]jjd[ is now known as ]JJD[
[09:34] <DrDetr0it> tricks commercial there publius ?
[09:34] <Katey> Timur-, But I think they were very exhausted by him.
[09:34] <FIRO> i search f anice g
[09:34] <Timur-> Katey: so how did he become so domineering/manipulative then?
[09:34] <gopp> `426-Hemi nor do I
[09:34] <Katey> Timur-, born that way
[09:34] <Timur-> sounds like not strict enough limits.. easy to say I know, but still
[09:34] <gopp> Katey your not born
[09:34] <Katey> Timur-, It's his personality
[09:34] <Publius> DrDetr0it: LOL ---> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/15108
[09:34] <gopp> Katey no it the parnets
[09:34] <FIRO> som one hear m
[09:34] <DrDetr0it> 'silly terrorists, desimation of the human race is for humans" replace w
[09:34] <gopp> needs to be strictic
[09:35] <Timur-> I was spontaneously created from an asteroid, myself.
[09:35] <bmc> just the thought of being spanked is enough deterrent for some kids
[09:35] <Katey> hehe
[09:35] <gopp> I bet linus spanks his monkey
[09:35] <gopp> lol
[09:35] <Publius> o_O
[09:35] <gopp> :(
[09:35] <bmc> once that loses its effect, spanking doesnt work as well
[09:35] <Timur-> Katey: personalities are at least in part formed, though
[09:35] <FIRO> hi ketty
[09:35] <gopp> Publius hows the Baseball on XM
[09:35] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit, manipulation and diplomacy rarely works, ends up with the kid
[09:35] <`426-Hemi> without learning that he/she actually did something VERY wrong
[09:35] <DrDetr0it> publus, well you can bet india won't be outsourcing any .net work from th
[09:35] <Katey> Timur-, to some degree. But from my observation, your basic temperment is so
[09:35] <Publius> (Timur) I was spontaneously created from an asteroid, myself. o_O
[09:35] <`426-Hemi> the kid walks away going "Man i dodged that bullet!"
[09:35] <Katey> You can simply look at the variation of personalities within a group of sibli
[09:36] <Timur-> Pub: in response to <gopp> Katey your not born
[09:36] <Katey> They all grew up in the same home, yet are all very different people.
[09:36] <Timur-> follow the thread, dammit. :)
[09:36] <Publius> lol..I was just showing my appreciation for the comment
[09:36] <gopp> Publius did you ever get spanked
[09:36] <Timur-> oh! ok. :) my apologies
[09:36] <Publius> gopp: hell yeah
[09:36] <gopp> Katey never got spanked
[09:36] * Timur- spanks gopp
[09:36] <Publius> LOL
[09:36] <gopp> muhhahaaa
[09:36] * gopp crying
[09:36] <Timur-> who's your daddy?
[09:36] <Timur-> aw
[09:36] <US-Male> god, when I was a kid we never dreamed of talking back to a teacher
[09:36] <DrDetr0it> gee, most species have a slick prototocol that leads to survival, and to
[09:36] * Timur- gives gopp an orange ice
[09:36] <Publius> April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Iran, facing a United Nations Security Council rev
[09:36] <gopp> US-Male but it normal know
[09:37] <gopp> you spank then you talk to your kids
[09:37] <gopp> why you spanked them
[09:37] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit, ever watch shows on lion cubs?
[09:37] <US-Male> the one time I got suspended was because the principal came up and assumed
[09:37] <US-Male> *stoen
[09:37] <`426-Hemi> lion(parents) will cuff their kids around a bit if they do something stup
[09:37] <US-Male> *stolen
[09:37] <`426-Hemi> "stop biting my tail! *cuff*
[09:37] <`426-Hemi> hehehhehe
[09:37] <gopp> US-Male wow
[09:38] <Publius> KATHMANDU (Reuters) - Nepal's parliament on Sunday unanimously approved a p
[09:38] <US-Male> but I had grabbed the kid so he could not run, so the guy assumed it was a
[09:38] <gopp> US-Male that principal was mean
[09:38] <Publius> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-
[09:38] <US-Male> gopp: well he assumed since I was the bigger kid, I was guilty
[09:38] <US-Male> a lot of dumb teachers do that
[09:38] <gopp> US-Male yepe
[09:38] <gopp> they do
[09:38] <gopp> I was lucky
[09:38] <gopp> I was small
[09:39] <`426-Hemi> hehe the only person my dad ever gave permission to to "spank" me was the
[09:39] <gopp> `426-Hemi hahah
[09:39] <gopp> hahahah
[09:39] <US-Male> anyway back then they didn't care about all those details - bth kids got su
[09:39] <US-Male> period
[09:39] <gopp> `426-Hemi what did the school principal say, after your dad gave him permessio
[09:39] <gopp> US-Male oh, now they got counsler for see why kids fight
[09:40] <US-Male> I dunno
[09:40] <gopp> they want to UNDERSTand the kids feeligns
[09:40] <gopp> and WHY THEY fight
[09:40] <gopp> poor kids
[09:40] <gopp> `426-Hemi was your principal big guy
[09:40] <US-Male> didn't matter, I tol my parents what happened and they believed me
[09:40] <US-Male> told
[09:40] <US-Male> so I took my 3 days off
[09:40] <Timur-> some kids you have to be very careful with in terms of telling their parents
[09:41] <US-Male> I got an A in that class btw
[09:41] <US-Male> I got an A in that class, and an F for "conduct"
[09:41] <US-Male> same class
[09:42] <Katey> Timur-, it's interesting having been on both sides of that sort of discussion
[09:43] <Timur-> why? :)
[09:43] <Publius> LOL
[09:43] <Timur-> do you feel as though teacher assessments are in part an assessment of your
[09:43] <`426-Hemi> gopp hahah no
[09:43] <Katey> Timur-, hard to say really. If there's any possibility that you'll hear some
[09:43] <Publius> George Clooney and Bush are speaking out about Darfur..who is the on the ma
[09:43] <Katey> Timur-, I'm not sure. Perhaps somewhat.
[09:43] <`426-Hemi> his name was Mister balfour, he was this little skinny guy that looked li
[09:43] <VemoD> Yeah...my nephew has a counseler....does no good
[09:43] <`426-Hemi> and he called him "Mister Bullfrog"
[09:44] <Katey> Timur-, I think it's just hard to hear something bad about your child.
[09:44] <`426-Hemi> hehehe
[09:44] <US-Male> do separate classes even have a "conduct" score anymore ?
[09:44] <VemoD> Problem is...my sister is a horrible parent
[09:44] <Timur-> Katey: it's a fair reaction, just wanted to know from a parent's perspective
[09:44] <US-Male> in my school, every single teacher gace you a separate grade in "conduct"
[09:44] <US-Male> you could do a conduct GPA if you wanted
[09:44] <Katey> Timur-, I do feel responsible for "fixing" anything that's wrong. But I know
[09:44] <`426-Hemi> gop, we were ALLL deathly afraid
[09:44] <Timur-> but if one takes it also as critically valuable feedback, with the shared go
[09:45] <Katey> Timur-, of course.
[09:45] <`426-Hemi> anytime we got called to the office we would be MAJOR intimidated
[09:45] <US-Male> average up al your "conduct" scores, and you know how that kid is behaving
[09:45] <Timur-> Katey: sure, and that's a healthy and good reaction, vs. some who may feel p
[09:45] <US-Male> not ALL the teachers are gonna be wrong
[09:45] <Katey> Timur-, it's hard not to feel defensive though. It's almost knee-jerk. :)
[09:45] <VemoD> 426: YOU were major intimidated
[09:45] <Katey> Timur-, you have to deliberately try NOT to respond that way
[09:45] <Katey> hehe
[09:45] <US-Male> maybe once in a long while, a teacher might be wrong
[09:45] <US-Male> but generally, not
[09:46] <Timur-> Katey: right sure but it's natural; but that's not the only thing felt, one
[09:46] <VemoD> 426: There's always some outcasts
[09:46] <VemoD> Who aren't intimidated
[09:46] <Katey> Timur-, nah. I usually feel very proud. I haven't had a "bad" conference ye
[09:46] <Katey> Timur-, but my son's are usually more complicated than my daughter's were
[09:46] <US-Male> anyway do separate classes even have a "conduct" score anymore ?
[09:46] <Katey> Hers were always, "She's doing great! No problems at all."
[09:47] <Katey> Timur-, My son is very bright and does great work, but he's also a talker and
[09:48] <`426-Hemi> man this sucks
[09:48] <Katey> Timur-, So it's usually, "Wow, he's very bright! He needs to stop talking so
[09:48] <MissLaVey> everyone thinks their kids are bright and do great work.
[09:48] <VemoD> katey: boys will be boys :)
[09:48] <Timur-> Katey: hehe.. I give such comments a lot
[09:48] <DrDetr0it> I wonder if you can outsource suicide bombing... what would that pay ?
[09:48] <`426-Hemi> the race starts at 1:30, its going to bite into the Miami Vice 48 hour ma
[09:48] <US-Male> only other thing I used to try and get away with, I sneaked out of math cla
[09:49] <DrDetr0it> these losers oughta meet themselves in a dark alley
[09:49] <Timur-> it's hard when it's 1, 2 jokers who then make the whole class more difficult
[09:49] <US-Male> when they caught me then they made me take accelerated math
[09:49] <Katey> Timur-, oh yeah.
[09:49] <VemoD> katey: I think girls are more complicated...thats me being existential and de
[09:49] <Katey> Timur-, and these are 7 year olds.
[09:49] <VemoD> deep talks
[09:50] <Katey> VemoD, I think girls find it easier to conform to the structure of traditiona
[09:50] <MissLaVey> do teachers actually tell parents that "hey, your kid really is a dumbass
[09:50] <Katey> MissLaVey, not in those words
[09:50] <US-Male> I took accelerated English too but that was a weird class
[09:50] <Timur-> Katey: sure.. my public school kids are a hell of a lot easier than the yesh
[09:50] <MissLaVey> i don't think any eacher in their right mind would tell a parent that the
[09:50] <Timur-> it's hard
[09:50] <Katey> A good teacher will alert parents to any learning problems though
[09:50] <MissLaVey> wouldnt want to piss off the parent
[09:50] <US-Male> it was all "projects"
[09:50] <Timur-> brb
[09:51] * Timur- is now known as Tim-brb
[09:51] <Katey> MissLaVey, Ideally you want the parent to HEAR you and be a partner in solvin
[09:51] <wiretapp> einstein couldn't tie his shoes MissLaVey would you have thought he was st
[09:51] <Katey> MissLaVey, so it's in no one's interest to alienate them
[09:51] <MissLaVey> it's hard to solve stupidity
[09:52] <MissLaVey> wiretapp: tying his shoes and his schoolwork are different
[09:52] <Katey> MissLaVey, kids can be placed in classes that help with learning problems
[09:52] <VemoD> katey: Girls go through emotion....and they react to it strongly during the t
[09:52] <MissLaVey> so anyone who is stupid has a leaning problem?
[09:52] <Katey> From what I gather, Einstein was also a poor student as a child
[09:52] <wiretapp> misslavey yes but when he was in elementary school i'm sure he appeared "s
[09:52] <Linus-> have a good day
[09:52] <wiretapp> socially stupid
[09:52] <wiretapp> probably wasn't good at much but science
[09:53] <Katey> MissLaVey, if you are struggling to learn material that you should be able to
[09:53] <Katey> or some sort of problem that's interfering with learning
[09:53] <VemoD> katey: I mean...both do each others thing...but as a parent what you deal wit
[09:53] <gopp> I have a big learning dissability
[09:53] <wiretapp> aspergers syndrome
[09:53] <gopp> BUt I manage to teach math
[09:54] <gopp> MissLaVey see we all have some form of add
[09:54] <US-Male> people have varying degrees of intelligence but most can be taught
[09:54] <gopp> US-Male can most people tought hmm lapce transformation
[09:54] <wiretapp> I've never met anybody that was just "stupid" everybody is good at somethi
[09:54] * Tim-brb is now known as Timur-
[09:54] <gopp> or fermant last theory
[09:54] <US-Male> if you really want to do it, you might have to separate the slower kids --
[09:54] <gopp> hmm
[09:54] <gopp> damn
[09:54] <Timur-> the trend now is mainstreaming
[09:54] <US-Male> another way is to put the smarter (faster) kids separate. The the average s
[09:55] <Timur-> that also makes teaching harder
[09:55] <gopp> mainstream kids are good idea
[09:55] <gopp> why is that the trend Timur-
[09:55] <gopp> I say put fast learner in fast track course, that is can gruadte faster
[09:55] <US-Male> gop: I bet most people can be taught about LaPlace transforms, on some lev
[09:55] <gopp> and put avg / slow in same level
[09:55] <MissLaVey> my teachers and counselors has a hard time with me
[09:56] <MissLaVey> i tested really high, but i hated doing homework
[09:56] <wiretapp> lemme guess you were too smart?
[09:56] <Timur-> it's the trend because people thought it was 1. unfair and 2. became a self
[09:56] <US-Male> it depends on how deep you want the understanding to be, and what are they
[09:56] <Katey> the entire 4th grade at my daughter's school is mixed together and then divid
[09:56] <gopp> MissLaVey same here
[09:56] <Katey> I'm noticing that this sort of approach seems to popping up more and more
[09:56] <wiretapp> everybody hates doing schoolwork
[09:56] <MissLaVey> in elementary school they were worried that moving me up a grade would hu
[09:56] <gopp> Katey that merit based
[09:56] <gopp> is great system
[09:56] <gopp> Katey so capalist
[09:56] <gopp> MissLaVey where you the smartest kid in your class
[09:56] <MissLaVey> and in highschool, they were worried that i wouldnt do ANY homework
[09:57] <MissLaVey> gopp: not always
[09:57] <wiretapp> I didn't do any homework in highschool
[09:57] <gopp> so how did you mange to get bumped up a grade
[09:57] <MissLaVey> there were smarter kids, ones who actually did their work
[09:57] <US-Male> in my grade school we had this whole set of color-coded learning tools.
[09:57] <US-Male> color-coded everything -- math english, you name it
[09:57] <MissLaVey> i did barely any homework in highschool, and my grades suferent
[09:57] <MissLaVey> and i took too many classes my sophmore year
[09:57] <gopp> I did very litte work in high shcool
[09:57] <gopp> and passed
[09:57] <MissLaVey> and ended up failing every single one first semester
[09:58] <Timur-> US: sounds like a logical system that keeps the kids 'safe' from the harsh j
[09:58] <MissLaVey> et, i still graduated on time
[09:58] <MissLaVey> yet*
[09:58] <gopp> same here
[09:58] <US-Male> Timur- yeah I actually liked it
[09:58] <MissLaVey> and i had early release every year
[09:58] <gopp> I did all my work the last two years of hgh school
[09:58] <gopp> high
[09:58] <gopp> I even got honor rolls
[09:58] <US-Male> Timur-: after a while you figure out where you are, roughly
[09:58] <Timur-> sure
[09:58] <MissLaVey> i did great my freshman and senior years
[09:59] <US-Male> but in general, you don't really know except where you are realtive to your
[09:59] <Timur-> but that's unimpeded by being castigated by peers. Kids can be (and often ar
[09:59] <patch6> if high school was a directly paid privilege, the students would be more app
[09:59] <Publius> HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- Bolivia's new left-leaning president signed a pact wit
[09:59] <US-Male> objectives
[09:59] <Publius> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/04/29/samerican.pact.ap/index.html
[09:59] <patch6> as opposed to an indirectly taxed one
[09:59] <Publius> oh thats nice
[09:59] <gopp> Publius asshole
[09:59] <MissLaVey> a lot of my problem was also boring teachers
[09:59] <gopp> dam a communist comming togther
[09:59] <gopp> what idiots
[09:59] <MissLaVey> they didnt make the classes interesting enough
[09:59] <gopp> MissLaVey so will you call O and A tomrrow
[10:00] <gopp> MissLaVey can allow curising on cbs feed
[10:00] <gopp> I mean, if I call the xm number
[10:00] <MissLaVey> "open your history book and let's go around reading. then i will give you
[10:00] <gopp> and say something like F that, will itplay the F word on xm, and but not on cb
[10:00] <MissLaVey> gopp: i'd call during XM hours
[10:00] <abum> i dont think i can remember another president who single handedly pushed so ma
[10:00] <MissLaVey> CBS people have no idea who doug is
[10:01] <gopp> this might get more xm subs
[10:01] <MissLaVey> and i don't even know if i'm calling tomorrow
[10:01] <gopp> MissLaVey good point
[10:01] <gopp> I will call out dough also
[10:01] <MissLaVey> gopp: it would also bring more people to paltalk, and that's not what we
[10:01] <gopp> I will call him a lazy fat ass pest
[10:01] <US-Male> thing is, as individuals, it's just too much work to have truly separate mo
[10:02] <US-Male> that would be tutoring
[10:02] <MissLaVey> the o&a paltalk rooms are insane enough as it is, more people would make
[10:02] <US-Male> I mean you can do it, but then it's not really a class anymore
[10:02] <US-Male> it's separate tutoring
[10:02] <gopp> I am scared of spyware, that why I won't go on paltalk
[10:02] <MissLaVey> US-Male: i had suggested to my counselor to have classes for kids like my
[10:02] <US-Male> MissLaVey well if there are enough kids then they should
[10:02] <MissLaVey> the bright, but lazy ones
[10:02] <MissLaVey> heh
[10:02] <US-Male> hah
[10:03] <US-Male> bright, they can handle
[10:03] <US-Male> lazy is harder to deal with
[10:03] <IamKing> abum: well, since you are a leftist asshat, you should be ironically proud
[10:03] <US-Male> unless they can motivate in some way
[10:03] <gopp> I am a lazy student
[10:03] <bahb> anyone have the stephen colbert performance from last nights white house corre
[10:03] <gopp> but I am bright
[10:03] <MissLaVey> there were a bunch of kids, including myself, who should have been in AP
[10:03] <abum> ad hominem
[10:03] <bahb> i heard the video was on the net
[10:03] <gopp> just slow and lazy
[10:03] <MissLaVey> step one: DON'T GIVE SO MUCH HOMEWORK
[10:03] * IamKing gives abum a tissue to cry in
[10:03] <VemoD> I did great in school
[10:03] <gopp> baba boouy
[10:03] <MissLaVey> make it all in-class assignments
[10:04] <MissLaVey> i did most of my work in class
[10:04] <abum> hmmm this tissue has jizz all over it ?
[10:04] <gopp> MissLaVey hey same here
[10:04] <MissLaVey> what i didnt get done in class, i rarely got done at home
[10:04] * abum gets a clean tissue
[10:04] <US-Male> well you could just give an option to take the exams earlier
[10:04] <gopp> MissLaVey same here I did all my hs homework in class
[10:04] <US-Male> imo if a kid can "test out" with the exam, that kid is just as ready as kid
[10:04] <MissLaVey> ad even in college, i try doing the same thing
[10:04] <VemoD> But you can't forsee what your kid will do...I dunno, obviously be a good par
[10:04] <MissLaVey> and*
[10:04] <gopp> in college is much harder
[10:04] <MissLaVey> but, i do all my homework now
[10:05] <gopp> MissLaVey professor don't accept late homework
[10:05] <US-Male> but there is learning that goes on, which is not measured on an exam
[10:05] <MissLaVey> gopp: sure they can
[10:05] <MissLaVey> and they do
[10:05] <gopp> I hate college professor policy on homework
[10:05] <US-Male> that type of learning, is longterm
[10:05] <gopp> not at my college
[10:05] <MissLaVey> depends on where you go and who you have
[10:05] <gopp> trhat true MissLaVey
[10:05] <gopp> that
[10:05] <patch6> the left/right paradigm seems to be more of a circle, extreme forms of both
[10:05] <gopp> MissLaVey some professor hate it that I get extratime
[10:05] <MissLaVey> my bioteacher last semester accepted late work, but didnt always give cre
[10:05] <gopp> on exams
[10:05] <MissLaVey> he accepted work that was one day late for full credit
[10:06] <MissLaVey> any later then that and you got nothing
[10:06] <MissLaVey> he also gave out homework passes
[10:06] <gopp> I hardly do work for college
[10:06] <gopp> I do it two days befor eit due
[10:06] <gopp> due
[10:06] <VemoD> missL: pretty lax
[10:06] <US-Male> my physics teacher in college was cool, if you got enough high scores on th
[10:07] <gopp> US-Male wow
[10:07] <gopp> sweet
[10:07] <US-Male> you had to have a high enough scrore to earn that
[10:07] <US-Male> score
[10:07] <abum> scrotum
[10:07] <US-Male> heh
[10:07] <gopp> what did he mean by high
[10:07] <bahb> stoned
[10:07] <bahb> lifted
[10:07] <bahb> blazed
[10:07] <US-Male> I forget what the cuttoff was, I think it was above 90% average on all thre
[10:08] <MissLaVey> US-Male: at my highschool, if you missed less than a certain number of da
[10:08] <US-Male> one test every month, then a final -- if you had above (say90% average) for
[10:08] <bahb> i think we need some education reform
[10:08] <US-Male> MissLaVey yeah
[10:08] <MissLaVey> for seniors, that is
[10:08] <MissLaVey> and even then, finals were still optional
[10:09] <US-Male> MissLaVey see not having to take a final is an incentive for kids who hate
[10:09] <abum> our school was like, the final exam was a tie breaker, if you had an A and a B
[10:09] <bahb> finals should be required
[10:09] <MissLaVey> i refused to take my gym final, it was a written test and it was a pain i
[10:09] <bahb> all electronics should be banned
[10:09] <US-Male> at that point, you already tested on that material - the final can only hur
[10:09] <gopp> I hate gym class
[10:09] <US-Male> what if you have a bad day, etc.
[10:09] <gopp> I alwasy cut gym class
[10:09] <gopp> I hate exams
[10:09] <gopp> they don't messure shit
[10:09] <bahb> i loved gym class
[10:09] <abum> you didnt want to see all your friends nude?
[10:09] <gopp> execpt for math
[10:09] <gopp> class
[10:10] <gopp> math exams are oh k
[10:10] <MissLaVey> the gym exams were ridiculous
[10:10] <gopp> but marketing exam means bullshit
[10:10] <gopp> chatper 1 to 19
[10:10] <gopp> rember all this words
[10:10] <gopp> like 400 words
[10:10] <bahb> gym should be Required - look at all the fatasses
[10:10] <MissLaVey> they gave you a study guide at the beginning of the semester, and tested
[10:10] <gopp> yes, tomrrow I put 40 words
[10:10] <MissLaVey> gym is required here
[10:10] <gopp> tell me the god dam 40 words
[10:10] <VemoD> Yes....it should
[10:10] <bahb> we need more tony littles
[10:10] <VemoD> And it is
[10:10] <patch6> those savants that can multiply 8 digit by 8 digit sums in a few seconds rea
[10:10] <gopp> dam idiots professors don't put the god dam 40 words, he makes you read all of
[10:11] <gopp> patch6 heheh
[10:11] <MissLaVey> i hated gym class mostly because i didnt like the fact i had to show ever
[10:11] <VemoD> And the arts and foreign language
[10:11] <Timur-> off to the zoo
[10:11] <Timur-> bbl
[10:11] * Timur- is now known as Tim-bbl
[10:11] <MissLaVey> i kicked ass in badminton and volleyball
[10:11] <gopp> i am no photographical memory bank
[10:11] <MissLaVey> but i HATED soccer and football
[10:11] <abum> not only did we have to take gym, we had to take swimming
[10:11] <gopp> MissLaVey same here
[10:11] <VemoD> I went to a good school...where those were required :)
[10:11] <MissLaVey> i'm a smokerand i don't like to run
[10:11] <gopp> MissLaVey I hate gym class
[10:11] <abum> and we had to wear the schools uniforms
[10:11] <gopp> it was bull shit
[10:11] <abum> tiny speedos
[10:11] <gopp> MissLaVey I agree with you wow, we agree
[10:12] <MissLaVey> AND i didn't like the fact i had to change clothes in front of other girl
[10:12] * Publius loved gym
[10:12] <gopp> I was kick ass at badminton
[10:12] <Publius> you lazy wussies
[10:12] <gopp> gym classs sucks
[10:12] <abum> misslavey did you have tiny bossoms
[10:12] <gopp> my gym class in college was better
[10:12] <IamKing> abum was molested by one of the nun teachers
[10:12] <US-Male> gop, yeah math is rule-based .... if you properly learn to apply the rules,
[10:12] <MissLaVey> abum: no, they're quite large, actually
[10:12] <Publius> IamKing: lol...the King holds back for no one!
[10:12] <gopp> US-Male yes, and the test messure that
[10:12] <abum> ad hominem
[10:12] <gopp> US-Male marketing is not ruled based it opnioned based
[10:12] <US-Male> certain other classes are based on a lot of memorization of many little thi
[10:12] <gopp> I hate that fucken class
[10:12] * IamKing gives abum another tissue to cry in
[10:12] <gopp> US-Male and it opnions of my professor
[10:12] <abum> ick more jizz on that one
[10:13] <gopp> on marketing
[10:13] <MissLaVey> i'm tall and top heavy, i'm akward at most sports
[10:13] <patch6> our gym teacher was a perv .. when someone forgot their shorts he would have
[10:13] <Publius> Hraban: How is Belgium today??
[10:13] <gopp> so I have to know the exact statement he said
[10:13] <gopp> or he takes points off
[10:13] <gopp> I understand the dam logic, I put on the paper the dam logic
[10:13] <Hraban> belgium? pretty normal
[10:13] <gopp> and the professor said you missed this
[10:13] <Hraban> nothing happening and a bit chilly
[10:13] <gopp> I was like wtf, I know what the concept is
[10:13] <VemoD> miss: I hated changing in front of other guys...but I was hiding my sexuality
[10:13] <MissLaVey> we were suppose to take gym our freshman and sophmore years, but i fucked
[10:13] <gopp> and I put it down
[10:14] <MissLaVey> luckily, my last class of the day 2nd semester of senior year was gym cla
[10:14] <US-Male> gopp: I find iy easier to learn to apply methodology, than to memorize a l
[10:14] <gopp> and from chapter 1 to 19, I will ask 40 multiple choose question, 10 defention
[10:14] <US-Male> *it
[10:14] <MissLaVey> just drove home sweaty after class
[10:14] <gopp> US-Male hmm, I fund furstarting
[10:14] <US-Male> that's why I like math & science better
[10:14] <gopp> cuase I can't keep foucused
[10:14] <gopp> on memorzing stuff
[10:14] <gopp> I can't
[10:14] <gopp> I try
[10:14] <Publius> Hraban: to be honest with ya...I don't know jack about Belgium besides the
[10:14] <gopp> that why I like math, each problem is new and idfferent
[10:14] <MissLaVey> learning is all about memorization
[10:14] <gopp> different
[10:14] <gopp> not in math
[10:15] <US-Male> although I always liked english & other languages too
[10:15] <gopp> mostly not in math
[10:15] <MissLaVey> yeah, math is an exception
[10:15] <gopp> US-Male hmm, I hate marketing class it all opnion based
[10:15] <US-Male> with a methodology-based class (such as physics) you learn some rules, then
[10:15] <gopp> and memorzation, I told the professor in his face, you put to much information
[10:15] <gopp> US-Male I like those class
[10:15] <gopp> give me the dam rule, and then I folllow it
[10:15] <Publius> Hraban: just tryin to learn...
[10:15] <US-Male> but for example, geography -- pure memorization
[10:15] <gopp> methodology is much better
[10:16] <Hraban> learn wha?
[10:16] <IamKing> Publius: Brussels, Belgium is the seat of the European Union iirc
[10:16] <MissLaVey> i prefer to be tested after every chapter, or every couple of chapters
[10:16] <gopp> I never nothing when I memorzie 19 chapters
[10:16] <Lupine> US: yep. once you know how to do something.. you dont forget. knowing how
[10:16] <MissLaVey> one big exam pisses me the hell off
[10:16] <Hraban> ah, you said something :)
[10:16] <US-Male> Lupine yeah
[10:16] <Publius> Hraban: ;(
[10:16] <gopp> MissLaVey no big this big one exam is 19 chapters
[10:16] <gopp> MissLaVey it pissed me off
[10:16] <US-Male> Lupine: with metholdolgy-based subjects, it's like learning to ride a bicyc
[10:16] <Hraban> belgium is the country of bear and milk and honey!
[10:16] <Hraban> but mostly beer
[10:16] <Lupine> US: lol.. of course, if you had world geography during the breakup of the so
[10:16] <US-Male> hehe
[10:16] <gopp> and I told why he said, " I can only lead a hoarse to water, I Can't force hi
[10:16] <Hraban> errr, beer the first time too instead of bear
[10:16] <Publius> IamKing: I am discovering random gems here and there like Finland and Slove
[10:16] <gopp> he some type of markets
[10:16] <US-Male> Lupine yeah lol
[10:16] <Lupine> US: although, it *does* suck when you have to learn the 'wrong' answers for
[10:16] <patch6> hands-on education is superior to textbook example
[10:16] <gopp> I wonder why he don't work in the field
[10:17] <gopp> he can't teach shit
[10:17] <IamKing> Publius: Finland is a gem? hahahah
[10:17] <MissLaVey> patch6, agreed
[10:17] <gopp> Lupine yea it sure does
[10:17] <MissLaVey> something stimulating is always the best approach
[10:17] <US-Male> to me geography ? fuck I can look that up on 20 seconds when I need it.
[10:17] <Publius> IamKing: must I give thee royal self an education on why?
[10:17] <gopp> US-Male that good point
[10:17] <IamKing> Publius: hahahah...this should be good (as in funny)
[10:17] <gopp> and marketing, it common sense, I don't need a class to learn this
[10:17] <US-Male> but you cannot look up how to solve a differential eqiation in 20 seconds a
[10:17] <MissLaVey> videos, experiments, usual projects or assignments = GOOD
[10:17] <US-Male> you have to remember how to apply it
[10:17] <MissLaVey> this is part of the reason why i want to be a teacher
[10:17] <Publius> IamKing: for starters...the Winter War, the Constitution War, and the Lapla
[10:18] <MissLaVey> because i know how to make learning fun
[10:18] <Lupine> gopp: gotta love marketing.. where they claim the "best examples" in actuali
[10:18] <gopp> Lupine this people suck, they are annoying
[10:18] <US-Male> I do think that marketing should have some concepts that are not just memor
[10:18] <IamKing> MissLaVey will be one of those teachers having affairs with her high school
[10:18] <IamKing> heheheh
[10:18] <US-Male> but some classes are almost pure data
[10:18] <gopp> Lupine my professor goes to all the convetions on marketing
[10:18] <gopp> thier is
[10:18] <MissLaVey> IamKing: it willbe hard to stop myself
[10:18] <IamKing> hahahah
[10:18] <Publius> oh noes
[10:18] <gopp> Lupine all of them, and he friends with people in industry like hsn, qvc
[10:18] <gopp> all the annoying people
[10:18] <MissLaVey> no joke
[10:18] <gopp> that sell crap
[10:18] <Lupine> gopp: what I found interesting, yet non-intuitive.. was how the Apple iPod h
[10:19] <gopp> to ingorant people
[10:19] <gopp> Lupine good poin
[10:19] <gopp> t
[10:19] <gopp> but it didn't
[10:19] <gopp> I seen a lot of people call it a appleproduct
[10:19] <gopp> they don't say ibook
[10:19] <MissLaVey> i can definitely see myself flirting with some of the students
[10:19] <VemoD> I think it helped it
[10:19] <gopp> I have a apple computer
[10:19] <IamKing> MissLaVey will pass the whole football team with a special favor...heheheh
[10:19] <Lupine> actually, i didn't at least when you tracked before/after
[10:19] <MissLaVey> i'll just wait until they graduate to fuck em
[10:19] <Publius> IamKing: grr...I gave my reasons for Finlands gemness...so ha!
[10:19] <MissLaVey> haha
[10:19] <Publius> or must I explain these wars
[10:19] <gopp> and even ways, apple name regonaztion was gone way before with the imac, and m
[10:19] <Lupine> it was a major boost for a product, at the expense of the company
[10:19] <patch6> learn about the common logical fallacies and how to exploit them and you'll
[10:20] <gopp> patch6 yepe
[10:20] <Lupine> most people "think about" the iPod and iTunes, than Apple.. which, don'
[10:20] <gopp> but this professor expect the class to get all 19 chapters in thier head
[10:20] <MissLaVey> my only issue is figuring out WHAT i want to teach
[10:20] <gopp> Lupine hmm
[10:20] <praxis9> Yo, negroes.
[10:20] <gopp> I am a bright student
[10:20] <VemoD> I think apple is still producing products that they were always known for...m
[10:20] <Lupine> gopp: you sound lucky compared to some of my prof's :-)
[10:20] <gopp> but lazy as fuck
[10:20] <MissLaVey> i would really prefer to teach an ective class
[10:20] <gopp> Lupine I bet
[10:20] <MissLaVey> that way i know the students are at least HALFWAY interested
[10:20] <gopp> Lupine I bet they gave you more
[10:21] <gopp> Lupine but I learn nothing new and still manage only to get a c in class
[10:21] <MissLaVey> plus the material hasnt been taught to them 4 times already
[10:21] <gopp> Lupine fucker
[10:21] <VemoD> Its the same as in the old days of fan-subtitling movies...their clock was be
[10:21] <|bob> DING DONG the witch is dead! Which old witch? The Wicked Witch! DING DONG the
[10:21] * |bob spits on JK Galbraith
[10:21] <gopp> Lupine my professor is a fucker, teaches the book, then say the book swrong, o
[10:21] <US-Male> who ?
[10:21] <gopp> I don't care about your opnion
[10:21] <Hraban> onion
[10:21] <gopp> please just teach important facts about marketing
[10:21] <gopp> I paid for that
[10:21] <MissLaVey> science and history were basically the same things year after year
[10:21] <gopp> I didn't pay just to read the book
[10:21] <gopp> I could do that for freee
[10:21] <Hraban> you can learn from the book :)
[10:21] <MissLaVey> some were just watered down versions
[10:21] <|bob> US-Male: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4959302.stm
[10:22] <patch6> just tell the teacher what he wants to hear, get your grade, move on
[10:22] <gopp> Hraban and I can learn from the book for free
[10:22] <IamKing> MissLaVey: nah, sometimes they take an elective mistakenly thinking that i
[10:22] <Hraban> you pay for a piece of paper which says you learned the book
[10:22] <Hraban> can't make that for free :p
[10:22] <gopp> he was bashing bush
[10:22] <gopp> on some chapter
[10:22] <gopp> about political legal aspects
[10:22] <MissLaVey> IamKing: still, most students pick it thinking it may be interesting
[10:22] <gopp> he made this face
[10:22] <Publius> Hraban: hush with your...your waffle talk!
[10:22] <gopp> and said our current goverment as youcan seee
[10:22] <patch6> be his personal sycophant
[10:22] <Hraban> at least we have sweet waffles :)
[10:22] <Publius> lol
[10:22] <gopp> I felt like saying you asshole, you think you know so much
[10:22] <Hraban> and beer, and chocolates, and fries, and food
[10:22] <gopp> and his review was 5 mins
[10:22] <gopp> the last 5 mins left from class
[10:22] <MissLaVey> teaching philosophy in highschool would be great
[10:23] <IamKing> MissLaVey: I took an elective in freshman year in high school that was an
[10:23] <patch6> the further in you can dig your nose, the better your referral will be
[10:23] <MissLaVey> we didnt really have that at my highschool
[10:23] <gopp> I would of liked to smack him 19 chapters in 5 mins
[10:23] <Publius> Hraban: lol..you sound American
[10:23] <MissLaVey> has psychology, sociology, etc, but no philosophy
[10:23] <Hraban> teaching philosophy to a bunch of kids is like teaching music to a bunch of
[10:23] <gopp> that why my calculus professor kick ass
[10:23] <VemoD> miss: Mine neither...but thats what I majored in afterwards :)
[10:23] <gopp> he teaches what need to learn
[10:23] <gopp> it hard
[10:23] <Lupine> ML: we had an IB theory of knowledge.. kind of a natural philosophy course
[10:23] * Publius throws poop at Hraban
[10:23] <gopp> but it has rules
[10:23] <MissLaVey> Hraban: not if youmake it interesting
[10:23] * Hraban stabs Publius
[10:23] <Publius> ack!
[10:23] <Publius> WTF DUDE
[10:23] <gopp> Lupine IB must of been hard
[10:23] <praxis9> MissLavey: I bet you know your Plato.
[10:23] <|bob> "If you ask Galbraith why the price of gasoline is $1.30 a gallon, he will tel
[10:24] <gopp> marketing is all subjective
[10:24] <IamKing> MissLaVey: we had a bunch of dumb jocks in that class that didn't want to
[10:24] <VemoD> miss: We had Psychology and Sociology...which I didn't need to learn...I hate
[10:24] <Lupine> gopp: well, I would ask your professor on what multi-million dollar marketin
[10:24] <patch6> strict teachers can be very influential, as long as it's not based on empty
[10:24] <|bob> What Stein was so politely saying is that Galbraith has no idea what he is tal
[10:24] <Hraban> I despise this "oooh, it has to be interesting and interactive" education...
[10:24] <|bob> fuck you, Galbraith!
[10:24] <gopp> IamKing I would copy all the answer down
[10:24] <Publius> Hraban: typical European
[10:24] <praxis9> I studied philsophy with a CIA contractor.
[10:24] <Hraban> just kidding :)
[10:24] <gopp> IamKing I would copy all the answer down and pass
[10:24] <praxis9> Talk about a freakin' nut.
[10:25] <gopp> IamKing I don't care that you know 19 chapters
[10:25] <Publius> Hraban: shh..don't tell anyone but you guys do primary school better
[10:25] <gopp> and only 3 kids can pass
[10:25] <MissLaVey> i wish i would have been able to take psychology and sociology in highsch
[10:25] <IamKing> gopp: YOU would...THEY apparently didn't give a fuck enough to bother to d
[10:25] <gopp> I want to learn
[10:25] <Hraban> well, it's not hard to do better than you :p
[10:25] <Publius> oh hell naw
[10:25] <MissLaVey> IamKing: keyboarding class was the sme way at my highschool
[10:25] * Hraban is off to dinner, yummmmm...
[10:25] <Lupine> ML: i had punchcarding in my HS
[10:25] <gopp> IamKing that better then trying to read about 400 pages of information
[10:25] <praxis9> Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel is GOD.
[10:25] <Publius> Hraban: waffles!
[10:25] <MissLaVey> i never took it
[10:25] <gopp> dam idiots
[10:25] <MissLaVey> because i hate home-row typing
[10:25] <VemoD> I have no interest in "why" somebody thinks something...I just wanna know "wh
[10:26] <Peace2> hi
[10:26] <Lupine> ML: seriously, typing class fucked me up for many years.. :-/
[10:26] <Lupine> I was far faster and more accurate my own way
[10:26] <MissLaVey> yup
[10:26] <MissLaVey> if ya dont know how to type, it's a great class
[10:26] <gopp> Lupine ever been to this webpage
[10:26] <gopp> http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowSchools.jsp?country=0&stateselect=NJ
[10:26] <gopp> MissLaVey have you ever been here
[10:26] <MissLaVey> but ive been doing things my way flr years
[10:26] <MissLaVey> for*
[10:26] <MissLaVey> gopp: yes
[10:26] <gopp> that site is oh k
[10:27] <gopp> it helps sometimes
[10:27] <gopp> ometimes
[10:27] <gopp> some
[10:27] <IamKing> gopp: they didn't have to read 400 pages of info
[10:27] <gopp> Lupine maybe you will show up thier
[10:27] <Lupine> gopp: lol. Next fall I will be on there, black listed :-) "Don't take this
[10:27] <gopp> or herzen might show Up thier
[10:27] <wiretapp> the way they teach you to type is pretty much the only way to do it
[10:27] <gopp> Lupine lol
[10:27] <IamKing> gopp: we were doing exercises in class...we were doing real world examples
[10:27] <gopp> IamKing I love teacher who teach real world
[10:27] <MissLaVey> ratemyteacher.com is great, though
[10:27] <gopp> all the teacher I had who where the best teachers
[10:27] <VemoD> miss: So you dropped out of HS? I think I get it now...I'm not following all
[10:27] <gopp> where consertive
[10:27] <gopp> consertive
[10:27] <MissLaVey> i showed it to some of my teachers in highschool
[10:28] <gopp> all my consertive teacher, did merit based grade
[10:28] <MissLaVey> and suddenly the teachers became competitive haha
[10:28] <gopp> if you did all your homework and worked your ass off
[10:28] <gopp> even if you didn't get 100%
[10:28] <Lupine> gopp: I had an interesting meeting with a lead T&M engineer with Lockheed.
[10:28] <gopp> youpassed
[10:28] <gopp> but if you slacked off
[10:28] <VemoD> miss: I learned to type in HS....typing was a required class, on a typewriter
[10:28] <|bob> US-Male: "Galbraith's views helped define the political and economic strategie
[10:28] <gopp> and didn't do good, even if you got a A+ in the test
[10:28] <|bob> US-Male: see why I'm so happy?
[10:28] <gopp> you didn't get an A
[10:28] <gopp> my fav teachers where republicans
[10:28] <gopp> they showed real world e xamples
[10:28] <gopp> and most of them where adjuncts
[10:28] <Peace2> is cry on
[10:29] <gopp> that is they worked in the field
[10:29] <gopp> unlike just teach it
[10:29] <Peace2> how about occdoc
[10:29] <Peace2> the actual doctor
[10:29] <patch6> while on the topic of education, s/where/were
[10:29] <Lupine> gop: some of my best teachers did not 'require' homework, attendance, etc..
[10:30] <Lupine> peace: I am nto sure you wish to learn from OcDoc on how to give a digital-r
[10:30] <gopp> Test are HARD studying doesnt help unless u can memorize the smallest random f
[10:30] <Peace2> ew
[10:30] <VemoD> miss: An electric typewriter =)
[10:30] <gopp> Lupine yepe, that my fav teachers
[10:30] <US-Male> bob lol
[10:30] <Lupine> gopp: i always got a chuckle out of kids who thought being allowed to have a
[10:30] <US-Male> 97, good gawd
[10:30] <US-Male> he had a long run
[10:30] <gopp> Lupine it never did
[10:30] <gopp> Lupine but it can help
[10:31] <gopp> what school does Herzen teach at
[10:31] <US-Male> Lupine: hahah yeah. It doesn't help as much as most kids assume
[10:31] <gopp> what school is Herzen a professor at
[10:31] <gopp> i want to see his review
[10:31] <|bob> "Courage means the willingness to go down the line with Marx." -- Galbraith in
[10:31] <US-Male> Lupine: it does however, allow the teacher to make the test more "real life
[10:31] <Lupine> US: of course, what they do not realize is: learning formula's is alot easi
[10:31] <US-Male> yep
[10:32] <US-Male> in "real life" you are allowed to look up any formula. But you have to kno
[10:32] <VemoD> So! Who went to church today!!
[10:32] <Lupine> Normally, most of the better prof's seem to not allow formula's when you are
[10:32] <US-Male> and how to use it
[10:32] <Lupine> Vemod: I dropped the cosby kids off at the pool.. does that count?
[10:32] <Publius> lol
[10:33] <VemoD> =)
[10:33] <US-Male> which goes back to the memorization vs. "learning methodolgy" difference
[10:33] <praxis9> Oh. God.
[10:33] <DarthBurg> I did not get an invite to Judgement Day
[10:33] <wiretapp> #education
[10:33] <VemoD> lupine: As long as he's in your heart man (^_-)
[10:33] * IamKing agrees with US-Male
[10:33] <US-Male> we can easily augment a human's ability to "memorize" by giving him a small
[10:33] <VemoD> err
[10:33] <praxis9> I'm going to have to hump salstress now.
[10:33] <Lupine> crackberry!!
[10:33] <US-Male> but we cannot so easily augment the ability to apply a metholdolgy
[10:33] <US-Male> *methodology
[10:33] <DarthBurg> get an LG V9800
[10:33] <praxis9> She's mute but she's sexy.
[10:33] <DarthBurg> neat little gizmo
[10:34] <Lupine> US: yea, i like to seperate trival-facts from required knowledge
[10:34] <Pickle> JK Galbraith kicked the bucket. Burn in hell, motherfucker.
[10:34] <praxis9> DIE
[10:34] * Publius http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268 <----Hillary Cli
[10:34] <Lupine> um.. not to show my ignorance.. but "who?"
[10:34] <wiretapp> "Possessing marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime i
[10:34] <praxis9> Oh. He's already dead.
[10:34] <DrDetr0it> wow - what's the anger on Galbraith ?
[10:34] <praxis9> So sorry.
[10:34] <VemoD> Well...that ability deteriorates
[10:34] <praxis9> DIE AGAIN.
[10:35] <Lupine> wire: i think it is a brilliant plan for Mexico to increase legal immigratio
[10:35] <patch6> do standardized math tests have a non-calculator aided section?
[10:35] <DrDetr0it> I don't know anything about him, but what is the basis for the anger with
[10:35] <gopp> Lupine I hate professor who put most of the exam as trival facts
[10:35] <Pickle> DrDetroit: We have him largely to thank for modern big government.
[10:35] <Lupine> we ship off all our potheads.. and we get all the hard workers
[10:35] <gopp> Lupine that marketing class, most of the stuff is trival -facts
[10:35] <DrDetr0it> Lupine, I see you're still promoting that idea, I do like that
[10:35] <Lupine> patch: i never took a mathtest where a calculater was allowed...
[10:35] <gopp> Lupine like he said, one question, what type of thing is this woodbury shoppin
[10:35] <gopp> it was trival
[10:35] <DrDetr0it> hey, I thought Flight 93 was a theatre movie, it's on A & E right now
[10:35] <gopp> I never shoped thier
[10:35] <gopp> nor do I know here it alocated
[10:36] <gopp> so I could of makred the wrong answer
[10:36] <DrDetr0it> man just watching that stirs up some nasty emotions.
[10:36] <gopp> it was trival
[10:36] <Publius> DrDetr0it: United 93 is the theater
[10:36] <gopp> or what type of product is a merceded benz
[10:36] <Lupine> DrD: yea, there are several shows on it.
[10:36] <gopp> trival crap
[10:36] <gopp> I did good on the defention of therms
[10:36] <patch6> Lupine, good, but when was the last test you took?
[10:36] <gopp> terms and
[10:36] <gopp> but mutple choose I did bad
[10:36] <gopp> all trival crap
[10:36] <gopp> no metohodlogy
[10:36] <gopp> just pure bullshit
[10:36] <gopp> and I told him that
[10:37] <gopp> he said I can lead a hoarse to water
[10:37] <Lupine> patch: not quite 2 years ago.. but that was not math
[10:37] <VemoD> Ok
[10:37] <gopp> but I can't force him to drink
[10:37] <Pickle> DrDetroit: Flight 93 is the A&E movie, United 93 is the theatre movie.
[10:37] <VemoD> I've gotta ask
[10:37] <|bob> DrDetr0it: Galbraith pioneered the childish fallacies on which democrat econom
[10:37] <VemoD> gopp: Trivial?
[10:37] <Herzen> Democrats have ecnomic policy?
[10:37] <Herzen> lol
[10:37] <Herzen> economic*
[10:37] <|bob> ok, rhetoric
[10:38] <patch6> lupine, how about math then
[10:38] <Publius> Herzen: ROFL
[10:38] <Herzen> thats better
[10:38] <Pickle> Galbraith kicks the bucket: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/default.stm
[10:38] <Herzen> The entire Democrat economic platform is tax and spend
[10:38] <Herzen> a opposed to the Republican platform which seems to be "spend"
[10:38] <gopp> Herzen what college do you teach at
[10:38] <gopp> in canada
[10:38] <|bob> Pickle: waaaaay too late
[10:38] <Lupine> patch: would have been in undergrad
[10:38] <Pickle> bob: Yep
[10:38] <Herzen> gopp, i don't got one of those online profile thingies
[10:38] <praxis9> Herzen teaches at Nazi U.
[10:38] <Herzen> Hell yeah Nazi U
[10:38] <Pickle> bob: The good die young
[10:38] <DrDetr0it> bbiab
[10:39] <praxis9> Haha
[10:39] <gopp> ab bc mb nb nl
[10:39] <Hraban> spiderman! spiderman! nanana-nanana
[10:39] <gopp> you don't
[10:39] <GODS[GOD]> current republican platform: borrow from china and spend
[10:39] <DarthBurg> Herzen have you seen Lord Of War?
[10:39] <gopp> Herzen but your students
[10:39] <Herzen> DarthBurg, no, but I hear they badmouth Ukrainians in it
[10:39] <gopp> I want to see your ratting :)
[10:39] <Lupine> herzen: both the GOP and the democrats are the party of taxation.. just one
[10:39] <Publius> DarthBurg: Hail
[10:39] <patch6> punching a few buttons on a calculator is hard to interpret as mathematical
[10:39] <VemoD> Herzog :)
[10:39] <gopp> Lupine I agree
[10:39] <Publius> Hraban: now thats somethign you euros should watch more
[10:39] <Publius> or read
[10:39] <praxis9> Herzog?
[10:40] <|bob> one of Galbraith's pithy observations from "The New Economic State": sharehold
[10:40] <DarthBurg> Herzen no, well, not that I remember, you would like it, it has everythin
[10:40] <praxis9> I know that book.
[10:40] <VemoD> Its an old game...Herzog Zwei
[10:40] <Lupine> patch: now, I do use programs to solve alot of math.. in fact, numerical alg
[10:40] <Herzen> DarthBurg, but I heard it made the tanks look bad
[10:40] <praxis9> Moses Herzog.
[10:40] <gopp> hmm Herzen your not listedn on rate my professor
[10:40] <Herzen> DarthBurg, I like movies glorifying arms, not condemning them
[10:40] <gopp> Lupine using matlab
[10:40] <gopp> or maple
[10:40] <DarthBurg> Herzen um, this pretty much glorifies them.
[10:40] <gopp> you know how to program in maple
[10:40] <Herzen> Sweet
[10:40] <VemoD> Sounds nazi
[10:40] * Herzen runs over peasants in his ta
[10:40] <Herzen> nk
[10:40] <DarthBurg> Herzen one scene, dude's firing an AK, and all the Lead charater can hear
[10:41] <Herzen> this keyboard sucks.
[10:41] <gopp> Herzen wow that great, you got no rattings in rate my professor
[10:41] <Lupine> gopp: normally in Labview directly.. i did know maple, but its been a while.
[10:41] <praxis9> Ta?
[10:41] <patch6> Lupine that is perfectly fine, but a test used to measure one's mental mathe
[10:41] <|bob> Pickle: I will remember galbraith as the person who finally made it clear to m
[10:41] <DarthBurg> "There is one gun for every twelfth Human, the question is, how do we arm
[10:41] <gopp> what so great about maple, my math deparments LOVes I mean leaves matlab, whic
[10:41] <praxis9> Lupine: So you were one of the few homosexuals who bought a Next Cube and f
[10:41] <Publius> DarthBurg: I like that way of thought
[10:41] <Lupine> patch: heh, my dad thinks anyone who knows mathematics can do logarithms in
[10:42] <gopp> Lupine not anymore
[10:42] <Lupine> praxis: haha.. naw, *I* didn't buy it. came with the grant/stipend
[10:42] <gopp> that why we have newton method
[10:42] <praxis9> Lupine: Okay. You're off the hook.
[10:42] <DarthBurg> "Peace Treaty? Bah, I will reroute to the Balkins, when they say they ar
[10:42] <Pickle> bob: In other words, they don't believe in reality.
[10:42] <Lupine> gopp: my dad has a standard challenge to his students.. he can beat them usi
[10:42] <Publius> DarthBurg: yup
[10:43] <Pickle> I wonder if Galbraith is going to be buried in Canada. I'd love to go take
[10:44] <VemoD> "There is one gun for ever twelfth Human, the question is, what do we do if w
[10:44] <VemoD> ^^;
[10:44] * Publius is bored
[10:44] <Lupine> I look at it a different way: There are all these illegal firearms in the h
[10:44] <VemoD> Statistics show...
[10:44] <DarthBurg> VemoD take two, they are small
[10:44] <patch6> I'm positive that if mathematics were as heavily emphasized as linguistics t
[10:45] <VemoD> darth: I want 3
[10:45] <VemoD> That just screws it all up :)
[10:45] <DarthBurg> VemoD wise to have a backup
[10:45] <praxis9> I think I'll get jacked up on some Folgers crystals now.
[10:45] <praxis9> French roast, baby. Whoo hoo!
[10:45] <Lupine> Darth: especially when the government unlawfully starts siezing them. Have a
[10:45] <DarthBurg> no no, more guns is never a problem, unless of course, you are a bleeding
[10:45] <_Forbin> real men drink gevalia
[10:45] <_Forbin> !!
[10:46] <Pickle> Nabob
[10:46] <praxis9> Forbin: Uh. Real men do not drink genitalia.
[10:46] <VemoD> darth: what?
[10:46] <DarthBurg> Nabob, is that a technical term?
[10:46] <_Forbin> bhahaha
[10:46] <Pickle> Is there any other coffee but Nabob?
[10:46] <Lupine> Pickle: we know you graduated, now get a job, you bum! :-)
[10:46] <Pickle> Lupine: I got a job.
[10:46] <DarthBurg> Pickle is a suit now
[10:46] <praxis9> Pickle graduated? How the hell did that happen?
[10:47] <patch6> DarthBurg, so taking guns away from law abiding citizens makes sense to you?
[10:47] <Lupine> how many pickles could Pickle pickle, if Pickle could pickle pickles?
[10:47] <Pickle> Lupine: Got an offer on Friday for a Service Management Analyst position wit
[10:47] <Pickle> praxis: Christ only knows.
[10:47] <DarthBurg> patch6 um, no, I think law abiding citizens should be given guns for bein
[10:47] <praxis9> Pickle can't wait to become the IT Nazi.
[10:47] <Lupine> pickle: wooho!! working for the socialist man, keeping down the entrepeneurs
[10:47] <praxis9> No Internet for you!
[10:47] <Pickle> Lupine: Hell yeah. I totally sold out.
[10:47] <DarthBurg> the second amendment exists for a reason.
[10:48] <patch6> that statement you made eariler suggested otherwise
[10:48] <Pickle> praxis9: I was hoping to become an HR nazi, but it'll do.
[10:48] <Lupine> pickle: do they have that verizon commercial, about "sticking it to the man"
[10:48] <DarthBurg> Pickle gots bene's now.
[10:48] <praxis9> Pickle: Hang in there. We have a shortage of good Nazis out here.
[10:48] <VemoD> darth: Whatever you said...guns are fine. I don't collect them, but I've bee
[10:49] <DarthBurg> I buy mine new
[10:49] <VemoD> darth: I can't hit a target worth a shit :(
[10:49] <praxis9> I mean, Herzen does okay, but he still lacks in severe discipline.
[10:49] <DarthBurg> VemoD practice practice practice
[10:49] <Lupine> praxis: yea, herzen is too soft.. sending people to a gulag, instead of exec
[10:49] <praxis9> VemoD: People give you guns for free?
[10:49] <VemoD> It is neat...but I don't do it enough
[10:49] <Lupine> darth: practice if you are doing something wrong often just makes it worse
[10:49] <Lupine> learned bad habits man.. hard to break
[10:50] <praxis9> VemoD: Will people give me guns if I go gay?
[10:50] <DarthBurg> Lupine always seek guidance. I guess my ability to figure out how things
[10:50] <VemoD> prax: I haven't bought one and I own three...I mean I now the people
[10:50] <Lupine> i got tons of guns.. gun's bought new, guns bought used.. guns' given to me.
[10:50] <Pickle> I wrote my last final on the 20th, got interviews the following Monday and T
[10:50] <praxis9> VemoD: Okay. I'm going gay. No sex, though. That part is icky.
[10:50] <`426-Hemi> hey anyone know if if wheel barrows have ever been patented?
[10:51] <Lupine> Darth: well, there are alot of misconceptions out there.. so you may think y
[10:51] <DarthBurg> that and my Dad taught me all about guns. "Son, this is a gun, it is des
[10:51] <`426-Hemi> like can you patton something that has been used for ages?
[10:51] <Pickle> That's the difference between a business degree and the usual shit they teac
[10:51] <patch6> you're not a part of the glee club without going through the initiation
[10:51] <`426-Hemi> er
[10:51] <`426-Hemi> Patent
[10:51] <VemoD> prax: One rifle from my grandparents, I got this old blue thing which I guess
[10:51] <`426-Hemi> i honestly do not know that much about patent laws
[10:51] <`426-Hemi> i mean some i do, but most i don't
[10:51] <praxis9> VemoD: Give it to me. I'm gay now. Remember?
[10:51] <VemoD> And a bee bee gun I got for xmas :)
[10:51] <DarthBurg> Lupine agreed, accurate criticism works.
[10:52] <praxis9> I never knew there were such perks involved.
[10:52] <Lupine> rusty: yes/no. you can patent an improvement of an existing product
[10:52] <Lupine> but you have to research and declare preexisting art
[10:52] <VemoD> prax: *smootch* but you're not getting my gun
[10:52] <DarthBurg> hahaha
[10:53] <Lupine> darth wants yer pump action scatter gun
[10:53] <DarthBurg> boy the media is just having a field day with this drive by hit on Rush L
[10:53] <praxis9> VemoD: I don't want your GUN. I want the damn blue thing.
[10:53] <DarthBurg> the sound of a chambering shotgun makes thieves wet themselves
[10:53] <Publius> LOL
[10:53] <_Forbin> Rush had a big smile on his face.....he knew what would happen.....the left
[10:53] <_Forbin> bhahaha
[10:53] <DarthBurg> Shotguns, you do not have to be accurate, just "Close"
[10:54] <VemoD> praxis: I know what you want!
[10:54] <Lupine> Darth: well, it is assine to have an unloaded shotgun for self defense, IMHO
[10:54] <DarthBurg> Shotguns were the first point and click device.
[10:54] <Lupine> scatter on any legal shotgun typically is not much at self defense ranges
[10:55] <DarthBurg> Lupine all guns are loaded, especially the empty ones
[10:55] <Lupine> darth: what i mean is, you shouldn't have to chamber a round once you alread
[10:55] <DarthBurg> "I did not know it was loaded" just does not work for me.
[10:55] <praxis9> I scared the hell out of a herd of teenage boys peeking in my window last y
[10:55] <US-Male> mine is loaded with alternating deer slugs and buckshot
[10:56] <Lupine> absolutely, hence, store your self defense weapons with a round chambered, a
[10:56] <DarthBurg> Lupine yeah, I suppose, but then you have a theif with dry pants
[10:56] <US-Male> one of those should be useful
[10:56] <praxis9> Flashlight to the eyes, shotgun barrel to the head through the window.
[10:56] <praxis9> It was freakin' classic.
[10:56] <Lupine> darth: well, sometimes you do not have the luxury to chamber a round first,
[10:56] <praxis9> I even yelled at them and told them to come back!
[10:56] <DarthBurg> Lupine I can not argue your fine logic sir
[10:57] <US-Male> first shell = buckshot, then a deer slug, then buckshot, and so on
[10:57] <Lupine> heh, have a relative who thinks guns are bad? "Isn't carrying a gun dangeri
[10:58] <Lupine> US: I prefer having nine 3" magnum 1.25ounce deer slugs :-)
[10:58] <US-Male> nice
[10:58] <US-Male> hehe
[10:58] <DarthBurg> best part of hunting magazines is the god news stories in the front about
[10:58] <Lupine> but the magazine fed is not as reliable with differenting rounds
[10:58] <DarthBurg> Little old ladies with shotguns scaring the shit out of would be thugs
[10:58] <Lupine> darth: most times, it seems to be a little old lady with the classic .38spec
[10:58] <Lupine> in fact, locally there was one just ~3 weeks ago!
[10:58] <DarthBurg> Lupine or the .25 auto
[10:59] <DarthBurg> with the pearl handles
[10:59] <Lupine> was her deceased husband's carry gun from ying-yang ages ago when he was a c
[10:59] <DarthBurg> classic!
[10:59] <Lupine> said it was in her nightstand a good 20 odd years.. still worked good as new
[10:59] <DarthBurg> so the gun has killed thugs before.
[10:59] <US-Male> evil gun !
[11:00] <Lupine> "blood gun"
[11:00] <DarthBurg> Lupine ayup. a superior product.
[11:00] <DarthBurg> you know how guns are once they get blood on them
[11:00] <DarthBurg> staying out late
[11:00] <Pickle> It now costs 45 bucks for me to fill my Mazda3.
[11:00] <praxis9> Darth: They become rabid.
[11:00] <Pickle> Christallmighty.
[11:00] <DarthBurg> Pickle buy your self an oil well
[11:00] <DarthBurg> look at gas pumps totally different
[11:01] <Lupine> pickle: yea, but that's only $2.58 USA :-)
[11:01] <Lupine> I do not drive much in miles, so gas is not a big part of my expenses
[11:02] <Pickle> That's in real dollars, not Canadian pesos.
[11:02] <DarthBurg> hehe
[11:02] <DarthBurg> gas stations in canada prefer the greenback?
[11:02] <Pickle> Nope
[11:03] <VemoD> I used to not drive much in miles...but honestly I'm getting bored
[11:03] <Pickle> And in fact the difference isn't much these days... It's about $50 Canadian
[11:03] <VemoD> <--- spring fever
[11:03] <praxis9> Gas stations in Canada prefer the Canuckia el Marxo.
[11:03] <VemoD> Places to go, people to see
[11:03] <Lupine> pickle: Yea, when I was in western NY, it was close to 2:1 back then
[11:03] <DarthBurg> yeah the exchange rate has tightened up with the Buck falling off
[11:04] <Pickle> But I use real money here when I quote prices :)
[11:04] <DarthBurg> I have a pile of Candian Coin, can't get rid of it.
[11:05] <VemoD> And yeah...with the soltice swinging the way it is...lots of people are like-
[11:05] <Pickle> DarthBurg: Rather than buying an oil well, I should move to Alberta, where t
[11:06] <VemoD> Because people will pay it, because they want to get out more
[11:06] <VemoD> I hate the gas companies
[11:07] <Herzen> Pickle, lol those checks are more about screwwing the federa government
[11:07] <Herzen> federal*
[11:07] <Herzen> then anything else
[11:07] <Pickle> I've got to be nuts to keep living next door to Alberta rather than IN Alber
[11:08] <DarthBurg> Gas Companies are not the problem, CEO's making 400 million, is not the p
[11:09] <Pickle> There is no problem.
[11:09] <Publius> Pickle: yah
[11:09] <Publius> agreed
[11:09] <Pickle> Gas costs lots right now. Ten years ago the same shit was going on: gas pri
[11:09] <Publius> Gas cost more in 1980
[11:09] <patch6> There is a profit incentive being exploited, and those big oil pubahs benefi
[11:10] <Publius> I wasn't even fucking alive...we are fine
[11:10] <Pickle> Then Gas went down to ten bucks a barrell and Dallas turned into a ghost tow
[11:10] <patch6> and owing to the profits being reported, the hikes do not correlate with the
[11:10] <Publius> typical
[11:10] <Pickle> Er, oil went down, I should say.
[11:11] <VemoD> Why is gas more expensive in one state or area and less in another?
[11:11] <Publius> tax
[11:11] <VemoD> I knew thats what you would say
[11:11] <Publius> in part
[11:11] <Katey> probably also differences in demand
[11:11] <VemoD> But tax within a state is the same isn't it?
[11:11] <Publius> VemoD: it depends on more things that just tax, like demand
[11:11] <Pickle> Tax and transport costs due to the lack of refineries--thanks to the same Wa
[11:12] <VemoD> Not necessarily
[11:12] <Pickle> Assholes.
[11:12] <Lupine> pickle: well, where I am at.. the closer to the port, and cheaper delivery..
[11:13] <Pickle> Lupine: That's where the oil comes in, but is it where the gas is produced?
[11:13] <Pickle> That's where the transport costs really add up.
[11:13] <VemoD> Because bum-f**k nowhere is more expensive than my city. But another city th
[11:13] <Lupine> yea, some junior congressman pointed out that they were the fundmental cause
[11:13] <Lupine> pickle: Oh, there is no refining here. It comes in via ship already refined/
[11:13] <VemoD> I dunno..plus why isn't there any competition?
[11:13] <Pickle> Lupine: That's the thing. Oil can be moved around relatively cheaply. Gas
[11:13] <Lupine> the individual gas companies take them off the ship into huge containers, wh
[11:14] <VemoD> Its like a govt. controlled rescource or something
[11:14] <Lupine> florida actually had a glut for a while this spring
[11:15] <Lupine> spring break, daytona, bike week, etc.. all traditional huge gas-hogging.. w
[11:15] <Lupine> but the worst was hurricane wilma.. all these gas stations, but no power AND
[11:16] <Lupine> shit, if I owned a station and didn't have a gernator, I would have driven a
[11:16] <Lupine> all that $$$ being ignored..
[11:17] <Pickle> By the way, gas is four bucks a gallon here, and we have a refinery in the c
[11:17] <VemoD> woah!
[11:17] <VemoD> 4 even?
[11:17] <Lupine> pickle: yea.. those who say 'be greatful your gas is cheap compared to engla
[11:17] <Lupine> vemod: he's in canuckistan
[11:18] <Lupine> to me, the biggest thing is: gas went from $2.01 to now $3.05/gallon since
[11:18] <Pickle> And we can't blame it on all those bullshit additives. There is no mandate
[11:19] <Pickle> And anyway, ethanol-blends sell for the same price as regular gas.
[11:19] <Lupine> yea.. congress really fucked over the industry with their mandation of MTBE,
[11:19] <Pickle> It's just pure government taxation.
[11:19] <VemoD> lupine: That my thing...its business
[11:19] <patch6> OPEC shouldn't be able to profit so grossly off of public suffering, this sc
[11:19] <hans--> you send them a letter patch6.
[11:19] <Lupine> eh? there is no scarity for opec
[11:19] <Lupine> scarcity
[11:19] <patch6> supposed scarcity
[11:20] <VemoD> lupine: Nothing happened for that price hike to happen...It actually has alwa
[11:20] <Lupine> naw, they are a self-limitation of their production.
[11:20] <Pickle> Lupine: The biggest problem right now are the huge tarriffs on imported etha
[11:20] <patch6> peak oil theory, ect ect
[11:20] <Publius> ThomasWT: heya
[11:20] <ThomasWT> hmm
[11:20] <Pickle> Lupine: That said, Americans still pay less for gas than anywhere else in th
[11:20] <VemoD> The price of gas always went up during "good traveling weather"
[11:21] <Lupine> pickle: sure, but that is like "do not worry about being mugged, since other
[11:21] <VemoD> No reason...it is business...and I hate those gas companies :)
[11:21] <Pickle> Lupine: It just goes to show who the real culprit for high gas prices is.
[11:21] <Pickle> Not the oil companies.
[11:21] <Pickle> Not the gas stations.
[11:21] <Pickle> The fucking government mafia.
[11:21] <DarthBurg> emotions
[11:22] <VemoD> I don't know who is responsible in the long run.
[11:22] <Lupine> Jan 2006, gas here was $2.01/gallon [ regular ]. Of which, .48/gallon is of
[11:22] <VemoD> I'm just happy food doesn't become more expensive when I'm hungry
[11:22] <MikeyD> i know whos responsible
[11:22] <MikeyD> Kefka
[11:22] <MikeyD> hes still alive
[11:22] <Lupine> Now, it is $3.05 with taxes, or $ 2.57 retail cost of gasoline
[11:23] <MikeyD> i think hes trying to turn congress into magitek armor
[11:23] <Publius> MikeyD: LOL
[11:23] <Publius> MikeyD: that was pretty damn good
[11:23] <MikeyD> =)
[11:23] <MikeyD> HOOAW HOOAW HOOAW
[11:23] <MikeyD> "you all sound like pages from a self help book"
[11:23] <Publius> lol
[11:23] <VemoD> Darth: Emotions?
[11:23] <Lupine> So, in 4 months, we have had an increase of ~~70% in the retial cost of gaso
[11:24] <DarthBurg> VemoD yes, emotions.
[11:24] <Lupine> at least locally, last month they reported a glut in the gasoline supply....
[11:25] <VemoD> dark: I'll take your word for it
[11:25] <hans--> Ha, I thought Bill Maher had retouched that photo of the retiring head of Ex
[11:25] <patch6> on top of that, there's the abiotic oil theory and reports of supposedly emp
[11:25] <DarthBurg> Gurney Halleck said it best, "Moods are for Cattle, and Loveplay"
[11:25] <VemoD> err darth
[11:26] <patch6> not filling up entirely, but "recharging" at a rate that is not expected
[11:26] <DarthBurg> patch6 amazing huh
[11:27] <Katey> hans--, lol. I saw a pic of him on The Daily Show too
[11:27] <Pickle> Lupine: There may be a "glut" in supply but there is not a "glut" in mandate
[11:27] <Katey> He really does look like his in some sort of theatrical makeup
[11:27] <DarthBurg> he may be ugly, but his paycheck isn't.
[11:27] <Pickle> Who's the culprit for that? Again, the government.
[11:27] <Katey> he's*
[11:27] <DarthBurg> Paycheck envy is not pretty
[11:28] <Pickle> Both for mandating the additives and for taxing imports of the stuff to prot
[11:28] <DarthBurg> How many of you work with other people, how many of you know what other p
[11:29] <DarthBurg> gross yearly figures?
[11:29] <Lupine> pickle: oh, i was only talking about a glut in the local fuel supply. they s
[11:29] <|bob> Pickle: oh, shut up about corn farmers and drink your coke
[11:29] <DarthBurg> what happens if your employer does not protect payroll information?
[11:29] <Pickle> bob: Diet coke. They can stick their corn syrup.
[11:29] <Lupine> darth: well, given that at my former company, I set the salaries..
[11:30] <DarthBurg> Lupine Same here. The Boss should always know.
[11:30] <VemoD> darth: I run a family business :)
[11:30] <Lupine> heh, most people think "new coke" was a failure.. it was a brilliant campaig
[11:30] <DarthBurg> but does the secretary have a right to know what the file clrek is making
[11:30] <VemoD> darth: I know all ;)
[11:30] <Lupine> origional coke = sugar "cocacola classic" = corn syrup
[11:30] <Lupine> they covered up the change with the "new coke" diversion! bwahaha
[11:30] <|bob> Lupine: the company did not mean for new coke to fail
[11:30] <hans--> I think in Texas, you can buy Dr. Pepper the original formulation.
[11:30] <hans--> with real sugar.
[11:30] <Pickle> hans: Yep
[11:31] <Lupine> darth: a right? no. but I am not sure one has a "right" to have their own sa
[11:31] <DarthBurg> Dr. Pepper is my vice
[11:31] <Pickle> hans: That's one reason why I want to make a pilgrimage to Texas some day so
[11:31] <hans--> BTW: I have tried Coke Blac, it's ok, but not worth 1.50 a bottle
[11:31] <Lupine> hans: yea, and you have boutique importers of "real" coke from mexico/carrab
[11:31] <DarthBurg> Lupine yeah, and what is company policy about divulging Employer Personal
[11:32] <|bob> Lupine: coke was using corn syrup long before that. the company uses corn syru
[11:32] <Lupine> darth: I am not sure if salary is one of the aspects covered under federal p
[11:32] <hans--> I'd like to try a taste test side by side to see how noticable the differenc
[11:32] <Lupine> bob: not at the home of coke! i.e. georgia
[11:32] <hans--> I do prefer coke over pepsi
[11:32] <|bob> Lupine: yes, there.
[11:32] <DarthBurg> Lupine last time I checked it was under "Banking Information" typical a s
[11:32] <VemoD> darth: But we are an honest company...and small. I think everyone knows who
[11:32] <Lupine> bob: the change over was exactly before/after new coke
[11:33] <|bob> Lupine: the company uses corn syrup at every mixing plant in the US
[11:33] <VemoD> <--- me answered the question
[11:33] <patch6> lemonade tastes leagues better than any soda, probably more beneficial too
[11:33] <VemoD> err
[11:33] <VemoD> I did a double me
[11:33] <patch6> that taste part is subjective though, admittedly
[11:33] <VemoD> hehe
[11:33] <Lupine> darth: oh, I mean just the knowledge of the salary information, not the othe
[11:33] <hans--> Friend of mine worked at ad agency...remember those taste tests Pepsi did? T
[11:33] <Lupine> bob" i know that, that is why it sucks
[11:34] <Lupine> corn syrup sweetened drinks.. ugh.
[11:34] <DarthBurg> Smal companies, sure, you can have more free flow of Information, its eas
[11:34] <|bob> Lupine: if you think the new coke was deliberately created to fail, you're wro
[11:34] <Lupine> darth: oh, I am seperating legal from moral :-)
[11:34] <Lupine> yes, it generally is bad for moral and interpersional relationships
[11:34] <hans--> yah Coke bungled that up in a bad way, bad decisions on a lot of levels for
[11:35] <Lupine> bob: well, sure seemed like it to me. and everyone ran back to cocacola clas
[11:35] <DarthBurg> Lupine I am not aware of any specific law requiring payroll information b
[11:35] <|bob> Lupine: their head of marketing wrote a book and said "No, I really did fuck u
[11:35] <|bob> Lupine: after he left the company
[11:35] <Lupine> heh, he probably got a huge huge mind boggling $$$ for that
[11:35] <DarthBurg> I knew.
[11:36] <|bob> Lupine: and he explained how the screwup arose.
[11:36] <Lupine> anyways, I remember the big protests thruout georgia/north florida/south car
[11:36] <Lupine> but when coke stuck it.. i switched to pepsi.. i mean, if I was going to dri
[11:36] <|bob> Lupine: anyone who protests something like that is an idiot and their statemen
[11:37] <Lupine> yea, consumers not buying products they do not want.. yep, real idiot
[11:37] <|bob> Lupine: you said "big protests", not "not buying." please be consistent.
[11:37] <Lupine> anyways, if cocacola wants my business, they can bring back th ereal cocacol
[11:37] <DarthBurg> lol
[11:37] <VemoD> darth: Well I think its bad if you do better work than someone else and you k
[11:37] <Lupine> um, what the fuck do you think not buying it en mass is?
[11:38] <|bob> Lupine: at current sugar prices, they wouldn't be able to sell it.
[11:38] <VemoD> darth: I guess thats where envy starts
[11:38] <|bob> Lupine: assuming that they were not using corn syrup before, of which you have
[11:38] <DarthBurg> VemoD bingo.
[11:38] <Lupine> bob: that is strange.. check cola here is cheaper.. and uses real sugar
[11:38] <DarthBurg> VemoD if no one knows who gets paid what, life is good.
[11:38] <|bob> Lupine: a bunch of yokels swearing up and down that it's a different formula i
[11:38] <Lupine> bob: yes they were.. as Dixie Crystal's were the previous supplier to coke.
[11:39] <Lupine> that switch hit them hard
[11:39] <DarthBurg> frankly, the media totaly misreported the dudes coin purse anyway, turns
[11:39] <Lupine> alot of floridians laid off
[11:39] <VemoD> darth: I'm the type of person that would get someone drunk and then ask them
[11:39] <Lupine> Darth: yes/no. everyone should feel they get paid just slightly more than th
[11:39] <DarthBurg> lots of people bent over a pycheck the fella will never get, or, they wil
[11:40] <TheTailor> VemoD, what if they lie?
[11:40] <TheTailor> Like most people do
[11:40] <Lupine> tailor: yea.. i think you have to take what they claim, and divide by some f
[11:41] <VemoD> tailor: I dunno then...but I mean I'm pretty good at reading people (it of co
[11:41] <VemoD> tailor: meaning...I wouldn't bother unless I already could tell they made mor
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> fucking CRAP!
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> rain at taladega
[11:43] <|bob> "In 1980, five years before the introduction of New Coke, half the cane sugar
[11:43] <OcDoc> aw, no race cars?
[11:43] <|bob> yeah, I know this is a stupid thing to argue about
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> =(((
[11:43] * `426-Hemi is about to get violent
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> they are going to roll soon
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> phew
[11:43] <`426-Hemi> they cleaned the track up and are racing between rain drops
[11:44] <TheTailor> Geuss you won't be able to sit in a stupor and watch the cars go around i
[11:44] <TheTailor> err, ovals?
[11:44] <OcDoc> that much more gasoline for my car
[11:44] * `426-Hemi grumbles something about RAIN tires
[11:44] <Lupine> bob: yea well, real coke was not the same tasting as "classic" coke.
[11:44] <`426-Hemi> Tailor the problem is its a restrictor plate race anyway
[11:44] <`426-Hemi> they can only get about 190
[11:44] <Lupine> rusty: frigging pansies afraid to race with a little water
[11:44] <`426-Hemi> Lupine indy goes on rain
[11:45] <`426-Hemi> at much faster speeds
[11:45] <`426-Hemi> =)
[11:45] <Lupine> yea, and they have to brake and turn more :-)
[11:45] <`426-Hemi> no
[11:45] <|bob> Lupine: it was the exact same formula being used just before the introduction
[11:45] <`426-Hemi> the average speed is near 180mph
[11:45] <Lupine> bob: such is your claim.. sure as hell didn't taste like it
[11:45] <`426-Hemi> on straights and per corner its like 120
[11:46] <|bob> Lupine: how would you know?
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> let the drivers drive
[11:46] <Lupine> yea, they have a greater speed differential at various points
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> yeh
[11:46] <TheTailor> I never understood the attraction to car racing.
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> let te driver drive
[11:46] <Lupine> bob: i dunno.. double blind taste test after double blind taste test
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> Tailor oh man
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> i love it
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> motorcycles too
[11:46] <|bob> Lupine: oh, so you personally don't know whether it was different.
[11:46] <`426-Hemi> golfing even
[11:47] <Lupine> tailor: well, i love the technological aspects of F1, pushing limits of tech
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> golf is awesome in my opinion
[11:47] <|bob> Lupine: you just assume that "someone" knows
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> so is basketball
[11:47] <Lupine> bob: um, no. i did not say that.
[11:47] <Lupine> but thanks for playing
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> but basketball is cool if you watch the whole game and then at the very e
[11:47] <TheTailor> Lupine, yeah that's ok, but the salt falts are better for that
[11:47] <|bob> Lupine: how do you know, then
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> BLAM!"
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> some people like how guns shoot
[11:47] <`426-Hemi> same thing
[11:48] <TheTailor> Yeah, I shot a gun too, heh
[11:48] <`426-Hemi> its the challenge of your particular game
[11:48] <Lupine> um, as I lived near their headquarters, and have had personally tasted all t
[11:48] <TheTailor> I don't get a thrill out of it.
[11:48] <Lupine> tailor: that is just top speed..
[11:48] <|bob> Lupine: did you do a simultaneous comparison between the before and after prod
[11:48] <`426-Hemi> tailor, yeh but you love nail guns
[11:48] <`426-Hemi> =)
[11:48] <Lupine> b0b: yes, that is what you do in double blind taste tests
[11:48] <TheTailor> Fair enough
[11:48] <TheTailor> haha, I do love tools
[11:48] <|bob> Lupine: you personally?
[11:49] <`426-Hemi> heheh
[11:49] <Lupine> F1 has pushed the developement of many new technologies that has trickled do
[11:49] <Nomex> |bob: they changed from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup
[11:49] <Nomex> and then they left it
[11:49] <VemoD> darth: Funny thing about the small business...I'm paid the least :)
[11:49] <|bob> Nomex: they did that before the new coke rollout
[11:49] <`426-Hemi> Tailor 30$ and a tool is a mans weekend date=)
[11:49] <|bob> Nomex: which is what I said all along
[11:49] <`426-Hemi> hehehe
[11:49] <TheTailor> $30!
[11:50] <VemoD> Thats where I think the respect comes from
[11:50] * TheTailor bops `426-Hemi with a nerf sledgehammer
[11:50] <Lupine> kind of ironic how the racing division with as far-removed from every day ca
[11:50] <Lupine> bob: as a wise man once said.. if Cocacola Classic was identical to Cocacola
[11:50] <Lupine> itw ould have just been Coca Cola
[11:50] <|bob> Nomex: since people didn't go apeshit when coke was actually changing over the
[11:51] <|bob> Lupine: you need to find a new wise man
[11:51] <|bob> Lupine: I suppose you believe the rumors about KFC changing its name too
[11:51] <`426-Hemi> haha Tailor
[11:51] <`426-Hemi> i give up
[11:51] <`426-Hemi> its 30 dollars
[11:51] <TheTailor> $ in FRONT
[11:52] <`426-Hemi> i do not see the point of putting $ in front just cause thats "the way it
[11:52] <TheTailor> ou do this to drive me insane, and don't think I don't know it.
[11:52] <`426-Hemi> hahaha my wife says "I would tell him to go pound salt"
[11:52] <Lupine> bob: no, I believed the "rumors" about American On Line changing their name
[11:52] <`426-Hemi> hhehehee
[11:52] <|bob> Lupine: and what rumors are those?
[11:53] <Lupine> um, that they were going to officially change their name to AOL
[11:53] <|bob> Lupine: you are the second person I've encountered who calls it "American Onli
[11:53] <Lupine> lol, that *was* their name you idiot
[11:53] <bud`> american online internets
[11:53] <|bob> Lupine: no it wasn't, idiot
[11:53] <Lupine> they changed it officially to AOL.. hence, your stupid reference to KFC
[11:54] <bud`> Lupine is about to get pwned
[11:54] <|bob> Lupine: the name was "America Online" and still is.
[11:54] <bud`> cause he's wrong
[11:54] <`426-Hemi> man you guys
[11:54] <`426-Hemi> you know what they do?
[11:54] <`426-Hemi> in nascar?
[11:54] <`426-Hemi> if its raining they will clear the track
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> ooooh, THAT's what vroomo vroom time was 426
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> they will wait for it to stop
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> they will go allllll night
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> you said - 2 hours till vroom vrooom time
[11:55] <bud`> nascar sucks
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> i sat here one time for 8 hours
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> it was awesome though
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> 8 hours of nascar stuff
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> it was great
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> I bet after 8 hours of drinking
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> it was
[11:55] <Lupine> AOL announces name change
[11:55] <TheTailor> Getting loaded waiting for the race, I love it.
[11:55] <Lupine> From now on, the company will officially go by its widely used acronym.
[11:55] <Lupine> Most people have referred to the Web media company as AOL for a long time an
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> America Outsourced ?
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit no, the stupid 12 pack ran out hours before hand
[11:55] <|bob> Lupine: oh, so this is something that just happened?
[11:55] <DrDetr0it> as to AOL
[11:55] <`426-Hemi> but i had tons of pot!
[11:56] <`426-Hemi> hahahaha
[11:56] <DrDetr0it> lol 426
[11:56] <|bob> Lupine: so... what's the rumor?
[11:56] <Lupine> "Our company long ago accomplished the mission implied by our old name. We l
[11:56] <TheTailor> AOHell?
[11:56] <noasl> rusty, i was at daytona 10 or so yrs ago, when the rain quit, they had jet en
[11:56] <`426-Hemi> and i have ps2 with nascar 2005
[11:56] <DrDetr0it> AOYeller ?
[11:56] <DrDetr0it> I imagine the PS4 will cost people jobs
[11:56] <`426-Hemi> noasl they do that now
[11:56] <Lupine> bud: i just got owned? no, I was right. AOL is now officially AOL.
[11:56] <DrDetr0it> I mean, people will get hooked on the realism and just play
[11:56] <`426-Hemi> noasl those jet engines are freakin amazing
[11:56] <|bob> Lupine: what's the rumor?
[11:57] <Lupine> bob: you posted about a rumor that KFC was changing their name. well, that
[11:57] <bud`> Lupine he pointed out you called it American Online, which it has never been c
[11:57] <|bob> Lupine: I didn't say any such thing
[11:57] <noasl> rusty, apparently they were throttled way back, and had a 90 degree diverter
[11:57] <Lupine> <|bob> Lupine: I suppose you believe the rumors about KFC changing its
[11:57] <Lupine> <Lupine> they changed it officially to AOL.. hence, your stupid refere
[11:58] <Lupine> <bud`> Lupine is about to get pwned
[11:58] <|bob> Lupine: KFC did change its name. there was a rumor about why they did it.
[11:58] <Lupine> http://news.com.com/2061-10802_3-6057235.html
[11:58] <|bob> Lupine: is there a rumor about why AOL changed its name, or not?
[11:58] <Lupine> read it and weep, while I go bomb some nazi's again in my spitfire
[11:58] <DrDetr0it> sheesh, after watching that Flight 93 movie, I'm left with an idea to sug
[11:58] <bud`> [12:52] <+|bob> Lupine: you are the second person I've encountered who c
[11:58] <bud`> [12:53] <+Lupine> lol, that *was* their name you idiot
[11:58] <Lupine> <|bob> Lupine: I suppose you believe the rumors about KFC changing its
[11:59] <DrDetr0it> I noticed the Netscape dialup I have to suffer with for a few days says A
[11:59] <Lupine> bud: i don't call it that. I normally say "AOL" all the time, thou I prefer
[11:59] <DrDetr0it> travelling...
[11:59] <|bob> Lupine: wow, "winning" one argument by replacing it with a completely irreleva
[11:59] <Lupine> bob: notice, you didn't say rumors WHY kfc
[11:59] <Lupine> bob: No, you first mentioned KFC.. why the fuck I have no clue
[11:59] <|bob> Lupine: that's what I meant
[11:59] <bud`> Lupine it was never called AMERICAN Online, ever. thats what I was addressing
[12:00] <Lupine> I should have simply asked you what the fuck does KFC have to do with Cocaco
[12:00] <Lupine> bud: oh.. i have no attachments to the company
[12:00] <bud`> Yum Brands
[12:00] <Lupine> call it what ever you want
[12:00] <|bob> Lupine: could you explain why coke would need to run a "cover" campaign if peo
[12:01] <Lupine> heh, yea.. yum brands is a great name
[12:01] <Lupine> bob: because people not around cococacola headquarters are cola ignorant?
[12:01] <Lupine> anyways, as I said.. tim to bomb some nazi's in a spitfire IXe
[12:01] <|bob> Lupine: apparently they are, since you didn't know the sweetener had already c
[12:01] <bud`> I want to open a long john silvers franchise in my city..
[12:01] <US-Male> I'd love to sell any product that people actually cared that much about
[12:01] <Lupine> enjoy your fake cocacola products with cornsyrup
[12:01] <US-Male> even if they were telling me I should not have changed it
[12:02] <|bob> US-Male: I said I knew it was a stupid thing to argue about
[12:02] <US-Male> bob: I have no idea. I just got back with my breakfast
[12:02] <|bob> and especially stupid the way lupine argues about it
[12:03] <Curnero> US-Male: im sure u would love to sell any product.. you broke bastard...
[12:03] <US-Male> hahah
[12:03] <|bob> Curnero: get out, idiot
[12:03] <US-Male> Curnero: you dumb fag. You weren't here when I said that
[12:03] <Curnero> idiot ?
[12:03] <US-Male> lol
[12:04] <Curnero> US-Male: yes i was
[12:04] <US-Male> Curnero: no, you weren't.
[12:04] <Curnero> US-Male: yea your right... im psychic!
[12:04] <US-Male> [12:06] <US-Male> bob: I have no idea. I just got back with my break
[12:04] <Curnero> US-Male: oh why dont you run a DNS on me and figure out who I am !
[12:04] <US-Male> Curnero: you're too dumb not to blow your cover =)
[12:05] <US-Male> Curnero: because you're irrelvant. I will just call you a dumbass, etc.
[12:05] <US-Male> have fun picking on you
[12:05] <Curnero> oh
[12:05] <Curnero> you bully
[12:05] <US-Male> OH !
[12:05] <CryHavoc> ahh its Steroids hour
[12:05] <US-Male> a light dawns in " Curnero's feeble mind
[12:06] <|bob> US-Male: did I mention that JK Galbraith has reached room temperature?
[12:06] <vgrep> what's with the anti-muslim topic rhetoric?
[12:06] * |bob dances
[12:06] <US-Male> bob yes -- lol
[12:07] * fordnut is now known as ford`pnac
[12:08] <|bob> US-Male: after the enron debacle, he wrote a column predicting that it could l
[12:08] <|bob> US-Male: he was daffy to the end
[12:08] <vgrep> check this out, "Do they not ponder on the Qur'an? Had it been from other tha
[12:09] <|bob> US-Male: oh wait, actually his son wrote that
[12:09] <US-Male> bob, yes no doubt
[12:10] <|bob> "Corporate America runs on the collaboration of professionals with the elites.
[12:10] <US-Male> there we go! Now those trolls are taken care of
[12:11] <Curnero> hehe!
[12:11] <|bob> The economist Thorstein Veblen, back in the days of Teapot Dome, wrote that t
[12:11] <US-Male> Bob, no doubt that his 60 years of leftiwng programming sunk into his own b
[12:11] * Pickle changes topic to 'JK Galbraith gets his ticket to hell | Iran planning "Judgement
[12:11] <|bob> in addition to everything else galbraith did, we can condemn him for ruining t
[12:11] <Pickle> I think it's worth a topic mention.
[12:12] <US-Male> one trollbot down
[12:12] <Pickle> BeReal was still here? He tried to DCC flood me last night. LOL
[12:12] <VemoD> nah, no topic...good riddance
[12:13] <US-Male> Pickle: yeah, he is also " Curnero" and "SPanlor"
[12:13] <US-Male> and who knows how many else
[12:13] * ford`pnac is now known as fordnut
[12:13] <Curnero> no im not
[12:13] <Curnero> anyways I g2g.. nice chattin.. later
[12:13] <US-Male> ahh, the "no I'm not" game begins
[12:13] <DrDetr0it> with verizon freedom and free dialup across the nation, it's hard to stop
[12:13] <US-Male> oh, yes, TA TA
[12:14] <Curnero> dial-up... are u kidding me? hah
[12:14] <DrDetr0it> nope.
[12:15] <DrDetr0it> freash class a.b.c new nick, new ident, hey, you're never been here bef
[12:15] <Curnero> yes I have
[12:15] <DrDetr0it> aaaaaayyyynyway
[12:15] <DrDetr0it> I see Iran says they'll give in a bit after all
[12:16] <DrDetr0it> imagine a twin sister democracy in Iran
[12:17] <DrDetr0it> Curnero - at the end of the millenia, it's one species, no matter who or
[12:17] <hans--> Stephen Colbert attacked those in the press who claim that the shake-up at t
[12:17] <Lithium-> tikcet to hell? wtf?
[12:17] <Curnero> US-Male: : Your private message has been automtiaclly ignored.. Please do n
[12:17] <DrDetr0it> after that it's what flavor of idealism you want to lick
[12:17] <US-Male> Curnero: ignored yours 10 minutes ago
[12:17] <Pickle> Lithium: The home of all late statist swine.
[12:17] <US-Male> =)
[12:17] <Curnero> US-Male: =)
[12:18] <Lithium-> Pickle: your hatred is amazing
[12:18] <DrDetr0it> I can't believe US doesn't have the ability to say, microwave Tehran from
[12:18] <Lithium-> hans--: did you see the video?
[12:18] <hans--> lol yah
[12:18] <Lithium-> colbert outdone himself
[12:18] <Lithium-> bush didnt seem too happy
[12:20] <Pickle> Curnero: Come back on your real ip. chat.efnet.org isn't for people who wan
[12:20] <VemoD> Blue moon
[12:20] <Pickle> I'm regretting taking it off the shitlist.
[12:21] <DrDetr0it> ouch!
[12:21] <DrDetr0it> one bonus of being down in ratings
[12:22] <DrDetr0it> you can not worry about having to be this way or that - you can just be y
[12:22] <DrDetr0it> as to bush - I mean, he seems to be having a good time
[12:22] <DrDetr0it> I didn't see the bush twin, that was pretty damn entertaining I thought.
[12:23] <DrDetr0it> maybe US could offer the mexicans citizenship IF they go take out a few i
[12:23] <VemoD> detroit: it can be a mixture of flavours too
[12:23] <DrDetr0it> sheesh, watching Fox now, if Mexicans take the day off, imagine if China
[12:25] <VemoD> I'm being really slow...but anyway I recently saw something where I realized
[12:25] <Pickle> I wonder what format the cgi clients use to convert ips to userids. I'd lik
[12:25] <DrDetr0it> I've about had it, I'm in new england for the rest of the day, and I can'
[12:25] <US-Male> I knew he coudn't resist screwing up
[12:25] <Pickle> They all seem to use the same format, whatever it is, so that's good.
[12:25] <DrDetr0it> pickle how so ?
[12:26] <US-Male> three bots, all had to change nicks now
[12:27] <Pickle> DrDetroit: The efnet CGI chat clients convert your host to a unique username
[12:27] <DrDetr0it> oh. I see.
[12:27] <DrDetr0it> doesn'
[12:28] <DrDetr0it> I thought the user ID came from the IDENT
[12:28] <Herzen> Can't you jus tlook at the CGI script?
[12:28] <DrDetr0it> I mean mine says Alex iirc
[12:28] <Herzen> ?
[12:28] <Pickle> Not with CGI chat clents. They're web based so there is no ident.
[12:28] <Herzen> Can't you jus tlook at the CGI script?
[12:28] <DrDetr0it> DrDetr0it is Alex@ACA3E16A.ipt.aol.com * Alex
[12:28] <Pickle> Herzen: I could if I weren't lazy.
[12:28] <DrDetr0it> so you mean the ACA3E part ?
[12:28] <hans--> has to be an ident because most server's don't allow u on without it.
[12:28] <hans--> there's one somewhere
[12:28] <hans--> but maybe you can't see it in the code
[12:28] <DrDetr0it> that's hex Pickle, I can see that much
[12:28] <Red_Barch> I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on h
[12:28] <Red_Barch> Khhhhaaaan!
[12:29] <Pickle> DrDetr0t: Hm...
[12:29] <DrDetr0it> also I see 4 hex bytes there, and 4 letters in my name, AC is 172 though
[12:29] <Pickle> I'm gonna see what happens when I convert the numbers to decimal.
[12:30] <DrDetr0it> damn, funny how I'm using that Netscape service while travelling and it s
[12:30] <DarthBurg> ok, one helicopter repaired, I need more parts for the other one
[12:30] <DrDetr0it> even funnier that I bought TWO modems, different names, companies, yet, s
[12:30] <VemoD> Go Go Gengis
[12:31] <Pickle> Aw, geez. The userid is just a straight hexidecimal conversion of the ip ad
[12:31] <Pickle> Easily wildcarded.
[12:31] <DrDetr0it> I can't believe this hotel, says internet, it's NOT DSL or cable, THEN,
[12:32] <Herzen> DrDetr0it, sounds like a cheap hotel
[12:32] <Herzen> should have paid out more
[12:32] <DrDetr0it> yeah, I figured I'd save $100 a day ha
[12:32] <DrDetr0it> BAD idea
[12:32] <Pickle> And that was bereal. The address converts to 66.188.157.25 - BeReal's ip.
[12:32] <DrDetr0it> I doubt the hilton has prostitutes though. jk jk
[12:32] <DrDetr0it> Pickle, well you could ban the class C no ?
[12:32] <US-Male> DrD haha
[12:33] <Herzen> you'd better be jk
[12:33] <Herzen> i'm a fascist you know
[12:33] <DrDetr0it> you bet Herzen
[12:33] <US-Male> what kinda hotel is that man -- even Days Inn probably has broadband now
[12:33] * DrDetr0it ducks in shame
[12:33] <Pickle> DrDetroit: Yep, easily since the cgi client userid is just a straight hexide
[12:33] <Herzen> US-Male, a hispanic flophouse
[12:33] <US-Male> heh
[12:33] <US-Male> well live & learn
[12:33] <Pickle> DrDetroit: I feel dumb for not noticing that. Thanks.
[12:33] <US-Male> I'v stayed in shitty places before, booked on the internet sight unseen
[12:33] <DrDetr0it> just uninformed !
[12:35] <DrDetr0it> at least it's in the US
[12:35] <DrDetr0it> my client wants me to go to Nigeria
[12:35] <DrDetr0it> to hell with that I say
[12:35] <DrDetr0it> Lagus or some place like that
[12:35] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit wtf man
[12:35] <`426-Hemi> no nascar+(
[12:36] <Lupine> rusty: i propose a rule change for NASCAR: any driver with actual driving
[12:36] <VemoD> The hotel thing is a bit funny to me, I like the shitty places :)
[12:37] <DrDetr0it> oh ? how is that VemoD ?
[12:37] <VemoD> More character
[12:37] <Lupine> character != shitty
[12:37] <VemoD> I dunno...I look for out of the way one-off motels :)
[12:37] <DrDetr0it> well I will say this, the woman who owns this one sells antiques, I notic
[12:38] <VemoD> Never know...you might get involved in a horror movie hehe
[12:38] <DrDetr0it> oh crap. !
[12:38] <VemoD> dr: nice!
[12:38] <Lupine> vemod eats at Waffle House at 4am daily, to meet the "interesting chaps"
[12:38] <DrDetr0it> heh heh
[12:38] <VemoD> hahaha
[12:39] <DrDetr0it> I gotta say, Bush has never looked better than on that National Anthem co
[12:39] <DrDetr0it> ' I think they oughta sing it in english, and I think if they wanna live
[12:39] <US-Male> once I stopped at tthis waffle house down in South Florida and it was fille
[12:39] <US-Male> "Hey is that a REAL pirate?"
[12:40] <VemoD> nah...I don't like apartment complexes and I don't like Holiday Inns and what
[12:40] <DrDetr0it> here comes the hotel lady, bbiab.
[12:40] <VemoD> I do like the swimming pools though =)
[12:40] <Lupine> US: you know, that is about the most unpredictable comments I have ever seen
[12:40] <US-Male> people wear silly shit like that in the semi-tropical areas
[12:40] <US-Male> Lupine: hahah
[12:42] <Lupine> US was busted in miami for wearing a thong on his head
[12:42] <Lupine> [ unfortunately, that was _all_ he was wearing
[12:42] <VemoD> detroit: Before you open the door, make sure she doesn't have tentacles
[12:42] <randym_> Tony Snow is dropping everything for WPS
[12:42] <randym_> ?
[12:42] <VemoD> ...I think I was too late :(
[12:43] <US-Male> hah
[12:43] <US-Male> Lupine: not true, I was also wearing a smile !
[12:44] <Lupine> US; yea, and the one eye was winking!
[12:44] <US-Male> third eye
[12:44] <randym_> get a rooom
[12:44] <Lupine> the third eye? you have two brown eyes?
[12:45] <US-Male> naw, the eye of the tiger
[12:46] <VemoD> See...
[12:46] <Lupine> you know, WTF does a calculator need a USB connection?
[12:46] <VemoD> The evil Hotel lady-thing got him
[12:46] <Lupine> shing! shing! shing! shing!
[12:47] <VemoD> Actually, he called an "escort service" ;)
[12:48] <VemoD> US-M: I really want to make a Survivor joke...
[12:48] <Lupine> speaking of survivor jokes
[12:48] <VemoD> Its the eye of the lemur
[12:48] <VemoD> I dunno
[12:48] <Fr33Trade> 12:48:40 30/04/2006 LOG
[12:48] <VemoD> freetrade must leave
[12:49] <VemoD> free: What the hell is this rally?
[12:49] <Fr33Trade> What the fuck ? I Just got here
[12:49] <VemoD> for what purpose?
[12:49] <Fr33Trade> Whats going on ?
[12:49] <wiretapp> "In a salacious twist, the Wall Street Journal on Thursday reported that f
[12:49] <VemoD> uhh
[12:49] <wiretapp> nice
[12:49] <Lupine> wire: i hope they were better looking than monica
[12:50] <Fr33Trade> This Rally a mistake tommorrow even though the point they are trying to m
[12:50] <wiretapp> who'd have thunk defense contractors would be tangeled up with crooked con
[12:50] <Lupine> FT: the most disgusting part of it, is the government will intentionally not
[12:51] <Fr33Trade> Ward Churchill says we have a dependence of foreign labor problem. Well d
[12:51] <Fr33Trade> I think its a mistake politically to for them to do this. I considered jo
[12:51] <Lupine> ward churchill needs to be given a fair trial, and then scalped at dawn
[12:51] <Fr33Trade> I think politically its going to piss off the rednecks and the rightwing
[12:51] <Lithium-> Freetrade: the revolution was on oct 7th
[12:51] <Lithium-> lol
[12:51] <VemoD> free: I closed the pm window from a few hours back
[12:52] <VemoD> Or I could incriminate you ;)
[12:52] <VemoD> But thats not why I'm here =)
[12:53] <Lithium-> Freetrade: thats why it was called the 'october revolution'
[12:53] <wiretapp> The rednecks and rightwing radio dicks deserve to be pissed off
[12:53] <Fr33Trade> I have appreciated the views of rightwing radio in the past if for nothin
[12:53] <Fr33Trade> Lithium, May day is a Communist holiday, because its significant to when
[12:54] <Fr33Trade> Whether its the day they take over office or whatever, people are going t
[12:54] <`426-Hemi> gehehe FT, my wife and i are going out for cinco dymao
[12:54] <`426-Hemi> *spelling"
[12:54] <`426-Hemi> either way i am going out for a drink on that day
[12:55] <Fr33Trade> But the organizers of most rallys in the USA are communists and socialist
[12:55] <Lithium-> Fr33Trade: no, wrong again, it was "workers day"
[12:55] <`426-Hemi> matters not that yo uare spanish
[12:55] <`426-Hemi> everyone is spanish on May 1st
[12:55] <Fr33Trade> But the point is people need to get a brain.. Mexicans are as antithetic
[12:55] <VemoD> He's talking about today
[12:55] <US-Male> naw that's May 5 Rusty
[12:55] <`426-Hemi> oh
[12:55] <US-Male> Cinco de MAyo
[12:55] <Fr33Trade> They are natural capitalists, They love America because of the competitio
[12:55] <`426-Hemi> well what ever
[12:55] <`426-Hemi> either way
[12:56] <US-Male> May Day is a big commie day
[12:56] <Herzen> Honduras grows 54 percent of the world's popcorn.
[12:56] <`426-Hemi> i just think that people need to lighten up
[12:56] <Fr33Trade> I dont care exactly what may 1st is, but its viewed around the world as a
[12:56] <Fr33Trade> CVemo, Incriminate me ?
[12:56] <Fr33Trade> US is right.
[12:56] <Lupine> fr33: hopefully with the change in drug laws of mexico.. they'll be floode
[12:56] <VemoD> free: oh, just for shooting out arbitrary pm's
[12:57] <`426-Hemi> FT, i have always thought of it as the time when communists came out agai
[12:57] <CryHavoc> lol
[12:57] <CryHavoc> popcorn does not grow
[12:57] <Lupine> cry: yea, i was thinking that myself
[12:57] <CryHavoc> IA produces a lot too
[12:57] <Lithium-> Fr33Trade: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Day
[12:57] <`426-Hemi> representation is against democracy
[12:57] <`426-Hemi> i am against democracy myself
[12:57] <Lithium-> thats the only thing it was
[12:57] <Fr33Trade> But I can tell you from knowlege, These mexicans have no clue its a commu
[12:57] <`426-Hemi> democarcy is great
[12:58] <Fr33Trade> They have been told this will help their cause it wont.
[12:58] <Lupine> in any event, my advice to any teacher: have a 1000point "pop quiz" with a
[12:58] <`426-Hemi> respresentation is the ultimate form of government
[12:58] * CryHavoc misrepresents 426
[12:58] <Fr33Trade> Within a few weeks we ought to have a compromise bill passed and we ought
[12:58] <Lithium-> Fr33Trade: it is celebrated in many countries who are not communist
[12:58] <Fr33Trade> All of them are willing to pay $2000 and go on the books..
[12:59] <Lupine> ah yes, the ignorant arguement.. "they are not TRUE communists"
[12:59] <Fr33Trade> When I say All I mean the vast majority, i talked to some this week about
[12:59] <Lupine> fr33: I think it should require an admission of guilt and repentance
[12:59] <CryHavoc> USA would not have tolerated Mexico going red
[12:59] <Fr33Trade> Lithium, It was celebrated in america when I was a kid, MayDay.
[12:59] <Lithium-> Fr33Trade: yes, it was the say holiday in russia
[12:59] <Lithium-> sme*
[12:59] <Fr33Trade> Thats not the point, its also a communist date, and it will be spun by th
[12:59] <Lithium-> same*
[13:00] <Fr33Trade> Or somehow implicated.
[13:00] <Lupine> same?
[13:00] <Lithium-> Fr33Trade: it is NOT a communist date
[13:00] <Lupine> well, what _is_ a communist date?
[13:00] <VemoD> And when I was a kid Christmas was nice
[13:00] <Lithium-> Lupine: oct 7th
[13:00] <Lupine> as opposed to a capitalist date.. or a socialist date
[13:00] <Fr33Trade> I said, I almost went to this rally then I thought about what would it do
[13:00] <VemoD> Now its Xmas
[13:00] <VemoD> Things change
[13:00] <Katey> 7th? I thought it was 17th
[13:00] <Lupine> lithium: i think _all_ dates are greccoroman.. and hence well..
[13:00] <Fr33Trade> And the Answer was its going to enflame the ones already predisposed to b
[13:00] <Fr33Trade> So I am not going.
[13:01] <VemoD> Which may support what you say :)
[13:01] <Fr33Trade> And I am urging my Mexican friends not to go.
[13:01] <Lupine> fr33: i am the type of person, who would rent a black van, and put giant INS
[13:01] <Katey> Why not do their walk out on May 5th?
[13:01] <Katey> or boycott, or whatever it is
[13:01] <Lupine> viva le communist revolution!
[13:02] <Lithium-> Katey: its actually kinda confusing, it was on october 25th, but then the
[13:02] <Katey> Aside from all the rhetoric surrounding the demonstration, I think it would a
[13:02] <Fr33Trade> And before anyone suggests they work for me, I have no employees right no
[13:02] <Lupine> katey: correction, illegal immigrants
[13:03] <Katey> I was listening to NPR the other day and they were discussing the planned nat
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> It was always a winkk and a nod at the border till 911.. We wanted some t
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> But I am saying now lets do it legally..
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> And intelligently
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> and when we have future labor shortages lets bring them in fast.
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> legally
[13:03] <Katey> Lupine, I think legal and illegal immigrants are supposed to be in solidarity
[13:03] <Katey> I may be wrong on that one
[13:03] <Lupine> katey: which, to me.. is ignorant
[13:03] <Fr33Trade> And we do have a labor shortage right now..
[13:04] <Katey> Anyway, he NPR story mentioned that there was a movie made recently called, "
[13:04] <Fr33Trade> Put Prejudice aside, stop hiding behing the law which every one of us has
[13:04] <Lupine> while I can't speak for others.. but "mexican" doesn't have anything to do w
[13:04] <Fr33Trade> Thats all I ask.
[13:04] <Katey> Where basically all Mexicans in the US mysteriously disappear one day
[13:04] <Katey> :)
[13:04] <Fr33Trade> Kaey, My daughter saw it in her Spanish class and was pissed off.
[13:05] <Katey> Fr33Trade, ah. ok. I hadn't heard from anyone who has seen it.
[13:05] <Fr33Trade> I am advocate for aliens and their becoming legal.. Such movies dont help
[13:05] <VemoD> I don't care about politics enough to care if Mexico can supply their people
[13:05] <Katey> I thought it was an interesting way to point out how involved immigrants from
[13:06] <VemoD> And I don't feel the need to help
[13:06] <VemoD> Sorry :)
[13:06] <Fr33Trade> My Daughter shares my views but doesnt like politics in a spanish languag
[13:06] <Fr33Trade> They need to back up, They need to stop and thing about what they are doi
[13:06] <Katey> eh. I guess it's just not hard for me to put myself in the shoes of someone
[13:06] <Fr33Trade> I very much fear the left is going to damage their cause and weaken any b
[13:06] <Fr33Trade> I honestly believe this.
[13:06] <panini> Katey, lol... yeah right
[13:07] <Fr33Trade> Katey, My wife lived on both sides of the borders on one side in a house
[13:07] <VemoD> There are jobs...and there are people wanting jobs. The things is honestly,
[13:07] <Fr33Trade> So I know what its like, and my wife has lived it.
[13:07] <VemoD> They know what other people are making, and they want to make the same
[13:07] <Fr33Trade> her American Aunts boyfriend was a mexican cop
[13:07] <VemoD> I mean...all of the mumbo jumbo you hear about immigration is true
[13:08] <Fr33Trade> She was abandoned by her mother and her grandma raised her and the Aunt p
[13:08] <panini> what mumbo jumbo?
[13:08] <Fr33Trade> at age 13 or so my wife turned her aunt in for welfare fraud.
[13:08] <DrDetr0it> watching this illegals walkout for tomorrow, I am confused, I see mention
[13:08] <panini> Fr33Trade, whoa! that took guts
[13:08] <Katey> DrDetr0it, I think it's both illegals and legals
[13:09] <Fr33Trade> Sure she took welfare, help drug dealers into the country, worked as a co
[13:09] <Steve^> DrDetr0it are you watching FOXnews?
[13:09] <Katey> I heard some schools in heavily hispanic districts are planning to close to s
[13:09] <DrDetr0it> y
[13:09] <DrDetr0it> Steve - y
[13:09] <Fr33Trade> She was 100% american. Born and raised (The aunt)
[13:09] <Fr33Trade> Katey yes but my fear is it will backfire.
[13:09] <Steve^> Because I am and just watched the story on the teachers walking out over tha
[13:09] <Fr33Trade> we are probably weeks away from a final bill on this and it may be put in
[13:09] <DrDetr0it> I think since all the non-citizens who are not legally allowed to be here
[13:09] <Katey> Fr33Trade, I tend to think it will. But mostly because everyone is so wound
[13:10] <DrDetr0it> just have the parades end into empty semi trucks
[13:10] <L0c0> fr33trade: of course it will...same way waving all those mexican flags did
[13:10] <VemoD> panini: The stuff I said. Cheap labor
[13:10] <Steve^> DrDetr0it ... heh
[13:10] <panini> that's because ppl are trying to make one bill for everything.. that won't w
[13:10] <Katey> From a more detatched angle, I think it would be interesting for people to ob
[13:10] <panini> they have to split the bills
[13:10] <L0c0> topic
[13:10] <VemoD> panini: Thats why it works...people immigrating here will simply work for a l
[13:10] <Fr33Trade> Americans Whites and blacks and some hispanic Americans really dont like
[13:10] <L0c0> soryr
[13:11] <panini> one bill for border security and nothing else
[13:11] <Fr33Trade> The flags were not meant to be anti american..
[13:11] <panini> VemoD, so what? nobody disputes that
[13:11] <VemoD> panini: And...they aren't necessarily on paper
[13:11] <Fr33Trade> They are prideful at being mexican people. They also love america and man
[13:11] <DrDetr0it> now folks, this parade will end underneath a big welcome net, just make s
[13:11] <Katey> Eh. The activist types are looking for anything to enflame people.
[13:11] <|bob> Fr33Trade: did you check out the topic?
[13:11] <DrDetr0it> heh
[13:11] <Fr33Trade> The earliest they could possibly apply to be an american would be in 11 y
[13:11] <Fr33Trade> Under the senate bill.
[13:12] <Katey> Unfortunately it makes working on a practical solution pretty difficult
[13:12] <Fr33Trade> But they love America.
[13:12] <Katey> everyone is so hot under the collar
[13:12] <L0c0> April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Former US Secretary of State Colin Powell said he urge
[13:12] <Fr33Trade> What about the topic ?
[13:12] <Fr33Trade> Ticket to hell ?
[13:12] <|bob> Fr33Trade: just look
[13:12] <DrDetr0it> freetrade- I don't think publicly proclaiming one is breaking the law in
[13:12] <Fr33Trade> In reference to what ?
[13:12] <sintient> Colbert, who spoke in the guise of his talk show character, who ostensibly
[13:12] <VemoD> panini: I mean...if they work for less than minimum wage...the business owner
[13:12] <DrDetr0it> lol VemoD
[13:12] <DrDetr0it> no doubt
[13:12] <Katey> sintient, heh. My husband was telling me about that this morning
[13:13] <panini> somebody is spoofing FreeTrade again
[13:13] <Fr33Trade> They are not breaking the law. they are here illegally its two entirely d
[13:13] <Katey> sintient, he said the press corp people in the audience seemed uncomfortable.
[13:13] <L0c0> btw
[13:13] <sintient> http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_conte
[13:13] <VemoD> And so...the whole system gets f**ed up
[13:13] <L0c0> any of you guys see "United 93" ?
[13:13] <sintient> There is a great review.
[13:13] <VemoD> So its a bigger thing, in the large picture
[13:13] <Fr33Trade> L0c0, No but I want to.
[13:13] <sintient> They said the president went over better but who doesn't laugh at the pres
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> I heard it was good and respectful of the people who fought the terrorist
[13:14] <L0c0> my friend said it was good
[13:14] <DrDetr0it> freetrade hmm... I'd say crossing the border was illegal no ?
[13:14] <L0c0> but that the song/dance number was a bit much
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> the families of the flight supported the film strongly
[13:14] <DrDetr0it> I mean isn't it a crime ?
[13:14] <DrDetr0it> sugar plum fairy didn't just drop the illegals here.
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> reeTrade is goleafs@wrong.domain.name * Dave Franks
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> FreeTrade on @#my_business_fails_if_illegals_are_deported @#illegal_immig
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> FreeTrade using irc.nac.net I have a poisonous friend
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> FreeTrade is away: is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog Off]
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> FreeTrade End of /WHOIS list.
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> -
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> [13:13] <FreeTrade> JOIN THE RALLY TOMMOROW!! SHUT AMERICA DOWN!!!
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> [13:13] <FreeTrade> JOIN THE RALLY TOMMOROW!! SHUT AMERICA DOWN
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> That isnt me but he is on channel
[13:14] <Fr33Trade> Has a bot on here or some client with another address.
[13:14] <sintient> Someone else in here tried to get to download a virus.
[13:14] <sintient> And then someone today offered me a rar of porn.
[13:15] <Fr33Trade> sintient, I notice I had a request to download a file when I joined, I of
[13:15] <DrDetr0it> oh my, I have a pm too
[13:15] <Fr33Trade> but I whois everyone who msgs me automatically ot tries to send me a dcc
[13:15] <DrDetr0it> family sex.com
[13:15] <DarthBurg> DCC File transfer to "Ignore"
[13:15] <sintient> Yeah I did too, but porn is so tempting :)
[13:15] <DrDetr0it> something like that
[13:15] <DrDetr0it> <Olga15> hey,wants to have access to free DVD
[13:16] <DrDetr0it> hey, what happens if you are born in the US and your mother was an illega
[13:16] <Fr33Trade> IM only calling for cool heads, I may call some mexican friends today and
[13:16] <Sublimer> tommorow won't shut down my are.. southern louisiana really doesn't have t
[13:16] <sintient> Someone yesterday idona13 told meet that I had a vulberable mirc and to do
[13:16] <Steve^> I had this sent to me: DCC Send from Olga15 rejected (HomeWork.rar, file typ
[13:16] <DrDetr0it> I shouldn't really call 'people' illegals but ... people who are here wit
[13:16] <Katey> DrDetr0it, you're a citizen
[13:16] <sintient> I wonder if I can meet a cute mexican girl skipping college tommorow?
[13:16] <DrDetr0it> yes and ?
[13:17] <Fr33Trade> I lived in a fucking barrio before I got into this upscale neighborhood 1
[13:17] <Katey> DrDetr0it, answering your question
[13:17] <DrDetr0it> ooooh, katey - heh
[13:17] <DrDetr0it> you mean... they... would be a citizen - whoops :)
[13:17] <Katey> yes
[13:17] <sintient> Some of the best drug dealers I know are mexican
[13:17] <DrDetr0it> ha - I thought you were saying 'hey, you are a citizen'
[13:17] <Katey> heh
[13:17] <Fr33Trade> Well techically they are illegal but people need to understand there are
[13:17] <Katey> We have birthright citizenship in the US
[13:17] <Katey> if you're born here, you're a citizen
[13:17] <sintient> Wich probly causes alot of pregnant ladies to rush the border.
[13:17] <DarthBurg> there is the "Illegal" Illegal, and the "not so Illegal" Illegal?
[13:17] <US_Male> this moron is spreading viruses [13:17] <Olga15> hi,i can see .....
[13:17] <Fr33Trade> There is the criminal code which is based on violations of law which harm
[13:18] <US_Male> Olga15 = virus bot
[13:18] <Fr33Trade> And there is illegal as in, not here legally
[13:18] <sintient> How did you find out it was a virus?
[13:18] <DarthBurg> illegal is as illegal does.
[13:18] <VemoD> With the current system in the U$, if workers aren't getting a W2 and paying
[13:18] <Fr33Trade> I tried to think of an anaolgy, A check I write without a signture is ill
[13:18] <sintient> reality has a liberal bias that is a good one.
[13:18] <Fr33Trade> Usually its a mistake and as soon as I sign it, it is a legal document.
[13:18] <VemoD> It'll fall if we're not careful. But everything must change ;-)
[13:19] <US_Male> sintient: who don't you click on the exe
[13:19] <Fr33Trade> There are all kinds of non criminal illegalities.
[13:19] <US_Male> sintient: why don't you click on the exe
[13:19] <Fr33Trade> They are structural or administrative or technical.
[13:19] <panini> "liberal" has nothing to do wit reality
[13:19] <sintient> US male stop trying to spread viruses.
[13:19] <VemoD> If you think health care is bad now.....(rhetoric)
[13:19] <panini> right
[13:19] <US_Male> FT: I think sintient is running the virus bots Olga15
[13:20] <DarthBurg> Fr33Trade so, when I fail to sign a check and its not honored, we should
[13:20] <US_Male> he responded defensively when I annouced Olga15 is a virus bot
[13:20] <sintient> I just asked how you knew.
[13:20] <US_Male> sintient: why don't you click on the exe
[13:20] <Fr33Trade> Anyway, I just hope peopel set their anger on a shelf, and really think t
[13:20] <sintient> If you downloaded and checked the code or what?
[13:20] <sintient> I linked it to #mirc and they told me I was sent a virus.
[13:21] <sintient> US-Male is the virus master is telling everyone it is a virus like he set
[13:21] <US_Male> sintient: I don't need to click on an onjoin .exe file to know it's a viru
[13:21] <US_Male> FT: I think sintient is running the virus bot Olga15
[13:21] <sintient> You just made that up then.
[13:21] <panini> it's pretty damn obvious
[13:21] <sintient> You have no proof as usual.
[13:21] <US_Male> he was dumb enough to speak in defense when I announced it
[13:21] <DarthBurg> like sintient would believe "Proof"
[13:21] <sintient> Both of you zero proof and yet you make all the accusations you can get aw
[13:22] <DrDetr0it> am I wrong or does each person at the illegals rally risk being deported
[13:22] <US_Male> hence, sintient is involved
[13:22] <sintient> He just said he guessed.
[13:22] <Fr33Trade> Just please ignore the people whose job is to anger you and get you emoti
[13:22] <DrDetr0it> is it just that there is no means to deport them ?
[13:22] <panini> DrDetr0it, you're wrong
[13:22] <sintient> He didn't read it in a decompiler.
[13:22] <Fr33Trade> Thats all I ask.
[13:22] <DrDetr0it> as usual panini !
[13:22] <US_Male> sintient: if you had a brain, you would not have spoken in defense of the
[13:22] <DrDetr0it> panini - why is it they can't be trucked and deported
[13:22] <US_Male> which is still on the channel btw
[13:22] <sintient> He didn'nt look at the code, he didn't run it in a virtual machine you jus
[13:22] <Fr33Trade> They cant go to a rally with a million people and start arresting themm t
[13:22] <sintient> I didn't defend anyone.
[13:22] <sintient> I especially didn't defend you.
[13:22] <panini> none of them will be deported, because currently there is no policy or desir
[13:22] <DarthBurg> Calm Careful refelction still produces the same answer, Broken Laws, and
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> freetrade - crowd control techniques exist.
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> I'm a big fan of hte chloroform bombs
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> but no one ever uses em
[13:23] <sintient> Russia uses codiene bombs.
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> cheap too
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> harmless, effective, cheap
[13:23] <US_Male> sintient: in know it's you. You were stupid to talk in defense of a virus
[13:23] <DarthBurg> when america does not fall to her knees tomorrow, I wonder what the excus
[13:23] <Fr33Trade> But I need to get to work. Im out of here. Please put emotion aside and t
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> I'd think illegal means to control illegals is fair game ?
[13:23] <sintient> Hey freetrade can you ask US-Male to leave me alone.
[13:23] <Fr33Trade> Later.
[13:23] <DrDetr0it> free- why shouldn't they be deported ?
[13:23] <US_Male> FT: you still have a virus bot on your channel
[13:24] <sintient> Fr33Trade US-Male continues to bash me with baseless claims can you help m
[13:24] <DrDetr0it> what gives them the right to be special ?
[13:24] <US_Male> but I guess that's OK.
[13:24] <DrDetr0it> give the MickeyD jobs back to the teens
[13:24] <DarthBurg> hahah, since when is pointing out Illegal activity suddenly an emotional
[13:24] <DrDetr0it> it'll keep em off drugs and hell, atleast we can understand when we order
[13:24] <US_Male> sintient: I know you're running the virus bot Olga15
[13:24] <Fr33Trade> They deported more this year than ever in us HISTOTRY ANd if they hurry a
[13:24] <sintient> Fr33Trade US-Male keeps making baseless claims about me.
[13:24] <Katey> I don't think a job at Mickey D's will keep anyone off drugs. :)
[13:24] <sintient> It is not stopping.
[13:24] <panini> maybe sintient is running the fake FreeTrade too
[13:24] <US_Male> sintient: I know you're running the virus bot Olga15.
[13:24] <Fr33Trade> peopel who have not been here for 2 years already can not get legal statu
[13:24] <Fr33Trade> Later.
[13:24] <US_Male> panini: probably
[13:25] <US_Male> sintient could be the "BeReal" bot who knows
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> I knwo the truth on these issues I do.. And you know I am the real me bec
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> So Later for the last time :)
[13:25] <panini> [13:12] <FreeTrade> JOIN THE RALLY TOMMOROW!! SHUT AMERICA DOWN!!!
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> Have a good day.
[13:25] <panini> he sent that
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> That is not me
[13:25] <DarthBurg> its the real freetrade, and he is still wrong.
[13:25] <DarthBurg> :D
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> that guy is my nick thief and rustys nick thief and comets and pickles.
[13:25] <silentb0b> may day is communism
[13:25] <Fr33Trade> Later ;)
[13:26] <DarthBurg> have a good one!
[13:26] <DrDetr0it> I bet a lot of people are allllll cooked up to blast Iran after seeing un
[13:26] <panini> later!
[13:26] <Fr33Trade> thanks :)
[13:26] <DrDetr0it> even though it's not Iran
[13:26] <Fr33Trade> ciao!
[13:26] <US_Male> whew. Well, I announced the nick of a virus bot ON THE channel. If every
[13:26] <DrDetr0it> I say Flight 93 today on A&E - really got to me
[13:26] <`426-Hemi> yo
[13:26] <DrDetr0it> those god damn psychotics
[13:26] <`426-Hemi> Buffalo scores against Philly
[13:26] <DrDetr0it> 'allah this' allah that
[13:26] * p0rk4alah is now known as boycott
[13:26] * boycott is now known as beaners
[13:26] <`426-Hemi> Go Buffalo! itgs your birthday!
[13:27] <`426-Hemi> 3-0 Buffalo
[13:27] <patch6> yeah, that olga15 bot gives some annoying message when you part this channel
[13:27] <DarthBurg> anyone who brings up sports on a political channel should pay a hefty fin
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> I wonder if people who can't eat pork can eat animals who eat pigs
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> take bear
[13:27] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit no
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> if a grizzly consumes a pig
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> is that kosher ?
[13:27] <`426-Hemi> no
[13:27] <US_Male> patch6: yeah. I stated that 5 minutes ago but nobody seems to care
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> what about 3rd generation pork consumption then ?
[13:27] <`426-Hemi> DrDetroit ever heard of Koher Pickles?
[13:27] <DrDetr0it> a bear that ate a pig who was eaten by a person who was eaten by a bear a
[13:27] <`426-Hemi> Kosher
[13:28] <DrDetr0it> y
[13:28] <`426-Hemi> ok
[13:28] <DarthBurg> some of us care but we have no power/
[13:28] <DarthBurg> .
[13:28] <`426-Hemi> what it is , is the fact that people would rather starve
[13:28] <`426-Hemi> than eat dirt
[13:28] <panini> DarthBurg, just like real life!
[13:28] <DrDetr0it> darth- what controls what you will think next ?
[13:28] <`426-Hemi> its like eatting a stone
[13:28] <`426-Hemi> non kosher
[13:29] <DarthBurg> DrDetr0it lots of things.
[13:29] <sintient> I just read about a mongolian girl who eats mud and loves it.
[13:29] <DrDetr0it> I wonder if the facon (soy bacon) is game
[13:29] <`426-Hemi> sintient thats her
[13:29] <panini> lots of kids eat dirt... i've seen it
[13:29] <`426-Hemi> some people would probably like it
[13:29] <CryHavoc> sintient...Weekly World News...or The Star?
[13:29] <`426-Hemi> but thats her opinion
[13:29] <sintient> They say she is really healthy too.
[13:29] <CryHavoc> DrD..I would be willing to try it
[13:30] <CryHavoc> hell..Boca Burgers are edible
[13:30] <DrDetr0it> indeed
[13:30] <DrDetr0it> sheesh, forget what controls what one person thinks next, how about what
[13:30] <DarthBurg> stone soup
[13:31] <`426-Hemi> my good god
[13:31] <CryHavoc> Hobo stew
[13:31] <DrDetr0it> stone soup is a good story
[13:31] <panini> yup
[13:31] <DarthBurg> sure be good if we have some carrots
[13:31] <CryHavoc> heh
[13:31] <DrDetr0it> oh my, carrots, damn, not I'm stew crazy
[13:31] <CryHavoc> stoner soup
[13:31] <`426-Hemi> i am sitting here watching hockey and the commentators mentioned a hockey
[13:31] <panini> i tell that story whenever i'm among hippies
[13:31] <`426-Hemi> i am thinking Bobby Ore
[13:31] <CryHavoc> man....some hash would make this work!
[13:31] <CryHavoc> Orr 426
[13:31] <`426-Hemi> who used to make punks like that throw up before every game
[13:32] <`426-Hemi> Cry
[13:32] <DarthBurg> 420?
[13:32] <`426-Hemi> my uncle spelled it Ore
[13:32] <CryHavoc> I have a 1974 Bobby Orr in a plastic case
[13:32] <`426-Hemi> because he was made of "Iron"
[13:32] <CryHavoc> well his name is Bobby Orr
[13:32] <DrDetr0it> killer
[13:32] <`426-Hemi> yeh
[13:32] <panini> CryHavoc, did Ahmadinejad reply to your email?
[13:32] <CryHavoc> prob the only hockey player I remember as a kid
[13:33] <`426-Hemi> he was the last guy to play without a helmet i think
[13:33] <`426-Hemi> hehe
[13:33] <CryHavoc> panini..not yet...but it was not returned either LOL
[13:33] <`426-Hemi> an he was totttaaalllly against helmet laws
[13:33] <CryHavoc> so I suppose its in a mail queue someplace
[13:33] <panini> cool :)
[13:33] <CryHavoc> panini hehe
[13:33] <panini> anyone else think Ahmadinejad looks like a monkey?
[13:33] <VemoD> crazy...I didn't know hocky players played without helmets
[13:34] <CryHavoc> He behaves like one
[13:34] <panini> like in this pic: http://www.aawsat.com/english/images/2006/04/27/C17504722.
[13:34] <CryHavoc> VemoD...long time ago they did
[13:34] <panini> looks like a monkey in a suit
[13:35] <CryHavoc> I saved that pic...it might be fun to photoshop for a blog entry :P
[13:35] <panini> hehe
[13:35] <CryHavoc> Chimpanzeejad
[13:35] <CryHavoc> I need a full length shot
[13:36] <CryHavoc> then i can turn him into an irate chimpanzee holding a Q'uran and a Nuke
[13:36] <panini> lol
[13:36] <DarthBurg> I prefer "That Nutjob in Iran"
[13:36] <CryHavoc> or maybe an animation
[13:36] <CryHavoc> Photoshop brings out creativity
[13:36] <DarthBurg> the looks like a monkey thing has been done to death
[13:37] <CryHavoc> this would be original though
[13:37] <DarthBurg> no.
[13:37] <CryHavoc> a monkey holding a Q'uran and a Nuke..and rd in face as in angry
[13:37] <CryHavoc> and dancing around
[13:37] <DarthBurg> oh, for political cartoonage, sure youbetcha
[13:37] <panini> ahmadinejad with his gay lover: http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/wp-content/im
[13:37] <tornmachi> is anyone else getting this? <Olga15> its looking like that your mi
[13:38] <CryHavoc> hahah thats a good Photoshop
[13:38] <tornmachi> or am i actually sending spam...
[13:38] <US_Male> tornmachi: yes, I announced that 15 minutes ago but none of the ops care
[13:38] <panini> CryHavoc, oh crap, it's already been done :( http://www.hezbemihan.org/Miha
[13:38] <starly> Olga15 is banned (Requested by CryHavoc - Reason: Violating Channel Rules )
[13:38] <CryHavoc> thats a virii-slinger
[13:38] <tornmachi> oh god i actually thought i had a trojan
[13:39] <CryHavoc> yep...thats one of those dotards...
[13:39] <CryHavoc> brb
[13:39] <panini> somebody already exploited the Ahmadinejad/Ape connection
[13:40] <Quant> fucking bomber iranian fucks
[13:41] <CryHavoc> panini...Brezhnev looked lie a Gerbil
[13:41] <CryHavoc> Khrushchev looked like a pig
[13:42] <panini> i thought Brzhnev look moe like a beaver
[13:42] <CryHavoc> could be that as well
[13:42] <CryHavoc> yer right
[13:42] <CryHavoc> Gromyko was the gerbil
[13:42] <DarthBurg> AlGore looks like a tree.
[13:42] <CryHavoc> AlGore has sex with trees
[13:43] <CryHavoc> he adds a new meaning to 'woody'
[13:43] <DarthBurg> AlGore really is the president
[13:43] <DarthBurg> oh fuck that cracks me up
[13:43] <CryHavoc> Darth...we dannae need any gorezombies here
[13:43] <DarthBurg> purely for the laugh value, I assure you
[13:44] <DarthBurg> he made a movie ya know
[13:45] <DarthBurg> a horror/thriller
[13:46] <CryHavoc> oh well..I am not gonna approach an oper directly...
[13:46] <Guest95> hello
[13:46] <CryHavoc> rocky top Tennessee
[13:47] <Guest95> <<<nashville
[13:47] <CryHavoc> allo G-95
[13:47] <CryHavoc> was teasin :)
[13:47] <Guest95> hey hey
[13:47] <Guest95> is this politics chat?
[13:47] <DarthBurg> i been to Murphyfresborrow
[13:47] <DarthBurg> er
[13:47] <CryHavoc> last I checked
[13:47] <DarthBurg> Tennesee
[13:47] <CryHavoc> last I chechened
[13:47] <CryHavoc> Murfreesboro
[13:47] <Guest95> well i have something to say about illegal immgrants
[13:47] <DarthBurg> ya
[13:48] <CryHavoc> been there too
[13:48] <Guest95> wanna hear it?
[13:48] <panini> you for 'em, or agin' 'em?
[13:48] <Guest95> i aint sure
[13:48] * CryHavoc heats up a panino in micro
[13:48] <Guest95> how you take it i guess'
[13:48] <CryHavoc> :P~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[13:48] <Guest95> first
[13:49] <Guest95> they say they come to do the jobs noone wants
[13:49] <Guest95> LIES
[13:49] <DarthBurg> thats a myth
[13:49] <Guest95> those ARE wanted jobs by americans
[13:49] <panini> that's an obvious falsehood
[13:49] <CryHavoc> illegals would not be as much of an issue if we knew who was entering
[13:49] <Guest95> I am unemployed because of mexicans
[13:49] <CryHavoc> some of the jobs illegals take Americans do not want...
[13:49] <Guest95> Im a high rise iron worker
[13:50] <Guest95> out of work
[13:50] <CryHavoc> like Playing Cowboy in WY
[13:50] <panini> are you kidding??
[13:50] <panini> ppl PAY good money to play cowboy
[13:50] <CryHavoc> Guest95...that career path is in danger anyways
[13:50] <Guest95> because of mexicans coming in and taking my 25.00 an hour job for 1-0.00 an
[13:50] <panini> see that cowboy movie with billy crystal
[13:50] <CryHavoc> panini,....up in a shotgun shack 10 months out of the year
[13:50] <CryHavoc> no days off for bad weather
[13:51] <panini> sounds awesome
[13:51] <CryHavoc> 25 dollars an hour is no longer competitive
[13:51] <Guest95> i am angry about this situation and i wish that the gov. would take those w
[13:51] <CryHavoc> panini not for most ameriacns...
[13:51] <CryHavoc> they hire Gauchos for the job mostly
[13:52] <panini> seriously, they turned playing cowboy into kind of a "Westworld" theme park
[13:52] <CryHavoc> Guest955 your profession is in danger from the very unions that used to pr
[13:52] <Guest95> if americans would rise up and just start beating the crap outta those panc
[13:52] <CryHavoc> thats not gonna solve anything
[13:52] <Guest95> i think it would
[13:52] <CryHavoc> nope
[13:52] <CryHavoc> it will not
[13:52] <Guest95> ok kill them
[13:53] <CryHavoc> but the workj I do is illegal alien proof
[13:53] <CryHavoc> I tried to get inot the Ironworlers union when I was 20
[13:53] <panini> if you take them back to mexico, they say "thanks for the ride", visit with
[13:53] <Guest95> look at all the black americans that are out of work and on welfare because
[13:53] <CryHavoc> but alas...I had no nepotistic connections
[13:54] <CryHavoc> they should have got more Education then
[13:54] <Guest95> true
[13:54] <CryHavoc> I will be paying on my student loan for next 20 years
[13:54] <panini> hence, NONE of these ideas being proposed are meaningful UNLESS they include
[13:54] <Guest95> I am educated and ex military and I loved being an iron worker
[13:54] <CryHavoc> guest...how old are you?
[13:55] <Guest95> but now Pancho and his pals Jose and paco took my job for more than half th
[13:55] <Guest95> I am 43
[13:55] <CryHavoc> yer my age
[13:55] <Guest95> and
[13:55] <Guest95> I had to learn spanish
[13:55] <CryHavoc> maybe you may want to consider a security position
[13:55] <Guest95> to train these turds
[13:56] <CryHavoc> Your career field is suffering negative growth
[13:56] <Guest95> then i get whacked and replaced by a dern mexican
[13:56] <CryHavoc> you should be for a Wall and open controlled immigration...
[13:56] <Guest95> 20 years of this trade..... gone
[13:56] <panini> yeah construction industry is dominated by illegals
[13:56] <CryHavoc> then we remove almsot all illegals
[13:57] <Guest95> I want a wall
[13:57] <Guest95> and i support the minute men
[13:57] <VemoD> negative growth :)
[13:57] <CryHavoc> Construction field ..it is cheaper and more efficient to outsoruce a lot o
[13:57] <Guest95> I should just get my gun and go join em for free
[13:57] <panini> like i said, none of the other proposed measures are meaningul, until you bu
[13:57] <CryHavoc> VemoD...thats polite speak for your work field is dying
[13:58] <CryHavoc> Manufacturing, textiles,
[13:58] <VemoD> "when oxy-moronic language becomes standard, such as fresh frozen, light but
[13:58] <CryHavoc> dying businesses in USA
[13:58] <VemoD> I love that line
[13:58] <Guest95> the steel industry is booming here but the sorry as companies are only hiri
[13:58] <CryHavoc> fresh frozen is not really oxymoronic :)
[13:59] <CryHavoc> fresh catch that is nitro packed keeps its flavor
[13:59] <Guest95> there should be punishments for hiring illegals
[13:59] <CryHavoc> Steel industry is dying in US too
[13:59] <VemoD> It was a slogan for some brand of frozen food back in the early 90's
[13:59] <VemoD> the fresh frozen thing
[13:59] <CryHavoc> ahh
[14:00] <CryHavoc> Nitro-Pak is how Iowans can have fresh Salmon
[14:00] <Guest95> does the salmon come from mexico?
[14:00] <CryHavoc> nope
[14:00] <CryHavoc> Atlantic or Pacific coast
[14:01] <CryHavoc> but once again..now that I live by the sea...
[14:01] <Guest95> damn mexicans are gonna go on strike tommorow and try to hold the U.S. host
[14:01] <CryHavoc> you can go to restaurants and literally eat fresh catch :)
[14:01] <Guest95> yes you can
[14:01] <CryHavoc> At point..I work for myself....
[14:01] <VemoD> haha...there's Charlie Tuna's new flavor saver pouches =) My cat wishes she
[14:01] <Guest95> when i lived in myrtle beach SC it was possible
[14:01] <CryHavoc> let them strike
[14:01] <VemoD> =^..^=
[14:02] <CryHavoc> FL has 2nd or 3rd most illegals in USA
[14:02] <Guest95> what do you do for your buisness?
[14:02] <Guest95> hooker?
[14:02] <CryHavoc> I sell online at ebay...whatever I can find that I think will make profit
[14:02] <Guest95> ahh
[14:02] <Guest95> is it lucrative?
[14:02] <CryHavoc> I aslo have an ap in with the localSchool District as well though
[14:03] <panini> i'm sure CA has the most illegals by far
[14:03] <CryHavoc> I will not get rich form it...but I make a few bucks
[14:03] <CryHavoc> yes
[14:03] <CryHavoc> CA is #1
[14:03] <CryHavoc> 2,5 Million
[14:03] <panini> woohoo!
[14:03] <panini> go CA!
[14:03] <CryHavoc> TX and FL are #2 and #3
[14:03] <Guest95> give me an example of some of your products
[14:03] <CryHavoc> FL has 800,999
[14:03] <Guest95> please
[14:04] <CryHavoc> 800,000
[14:04] <panini> CryHavoc, that 2.5 mil is the "official" estimate... the real number is much
[14:04] <CryHavoc> I use official ones :)
[14:04] <CryHavoc> 11 million or so illegals officially in USA
[14:04] <panini> well double it then, to get the true number
[14:05] <Guest95> you got it panini
[14:05] <CryHavoc> the 1986 refor, was supposed to be the final amnesty...
[14:05] <panini> lol
[14:05] <CryHavoc> our filthy pols left the gates open though
[14:05] <CryHavoc> we need to make sure they lock gates first this time
[14:05] <panini> the 1986 amnesty CAUSED the current flood of illegals
[14:05] <Guest95> Bush has mexicans in his family
[14:06] <US_Male> I think Bush's emotions are preventing rational thought
[14:06] <panini> that's why my solution is the only solution that will really work
[14:06] <US_Male> hate to say it
[14:06] <CryHavoc> JEBs wife is from Colombia I think
[14:06] <CryHavoc> panini you read my blog post??
[14:06] <panini> no, link me
[14:06] <patch6> the open border is like a recipe for entrapment: let an influx of immigrants
[14:06] <patch6> and yearn, oops
[14:07] <CryHavoc> http://thejadedbard.blogspot.com/
[14:07] <CryHavoc> Guest95...read that
[14:07] <panini> i'm eating salmon that I caught last summer, and it tastes like it was caugh
[14:07] * Guest95 is now known as MrNasty
[14:07] <MrNasty> muahaha
[14:07] <VemoD> "and mercedes benz logos replace peace signs on the necks of our youth"
[14:08] <CryHavoc> because they want a peace of a luxury car
[14:08] <MrNasty> well guys im done venting now ty for hearing me out
[14:08] <VemoD> Sorry...just had to remember the next line :)
[14:08] <CryHavoc> something big and polluting...as they drive around and tell people not to
[14:08] <CryHavoc> :P
[14:08] <MrNasty> <///\\\}~~~~~~~~~~~
[14:08] * MrNasty cough hack
[14:09] <L0c0> mexicans just looking for a reason to not work
[14:09] <L0c0> the irony
[14:09] <VemoD> Is that whole stealing hood ornaments thing over?
[14:09] <VemoD> hehe
[14:09] * MrNasty steals a mexicans tacos
[14:09] <CryHavoc> there was a certain irony to where I lived in Las Vegas befor moving here
[14:09] <DarthBurg> lets go to mexico and demand free spanish lessons
[14:09] <CryHavoc> neighborhood street was shaped like an L
[14:10] <Nikie> cay snuck across the border too
[14:10] <Nikie> oops
[14:10] <Nikie> cry
[14:10] <MrNasty> l8tr guys
[14:10] <CryHavoc> the Barrio section was the lower end of the L thats where I ived
[14:10] <MrNasty> peace be with you
[14:10] <CryHavoc> lived
[14:10] <MrNasty> hire a mexican to cut the grass
[14:10] <CryHavoc> not one non worker on the block
[14:10] <panini> CryHavoc, good blog post!
[14:11] <silentb0b> isnt the problem that mexico needs to develop industries and its own busi
[14:11] <CryHavoc> the other section of the L was a white trash collection...
[14:11] <silentb0b> and becoming more dependent on america
[14:11] <CryHavoc> most of them were on the dole...
[14:11] <CryHavoc> go figure
[14:11] <CryHavoc> the barrio section was chock full of illegals...
[14:11] <VemoD> Nah...people just need to stop procreating so damned much
[14:11] <CryHavoc> who would have 2-3 jobs
[14:12] <VemoD> I'm a big supporter of homosexuality ^_^
[14:12] <DarthBurg> I like lesbians...
[14:12] <silentb0b> mexico cant compete with teh US with nafta
[14:12] <VemoD> There ya go
[14:12] <CryHavoc> Homo we go...Lesbian oue way..:P
[14:12] <CryHavoc> b0b..it is not competition...
[14:12] <CryHavoc> its mutually beneficial
[14:12] <DarthBurg> I have a double standard, just like a democrat :D
[14:13] <silentb0b> but if each country becomes developed they can have competing industries
[14:13] <CryHavoc> once we wall off the Mexican border, they will not be able to use illegal
[14:14] <DarthBurg> what ya have to ask yourself is this: Why does the Wealth and prosperity
[14:14] <silentb0b> its not a free market unless you have some competition
[14:14] <VemoD> Mexico for example just simply has a huge population compared to land-mass
[14:14] <CryHavoc> and protective tariffs and equiv need to be removed
[14:14] <praxis9> Darth: It's obviously due to the racist white mahns.
[14:14] <VemoD> Liveable land
[14:14] <VemoD> Otherwise...they could grow their own food and be fine
[14:14] <CryHavoc> Darth...becuse of the corrupt Mexicvan government
[14:15] <silentb0b> mexico must reform themselves nobody else can do it
[14:15] <praxis9> No. The Mexicans are JUST LIKE US.
[14:15] <silentb0b> and the mexican government sucks
[14:15] <CryHavoc> so we force a sea change there
[14:15] <CryHavoc> Canadians are like us
[14:16] * CryHavoc gives the Canadians who want to live in US the one page short form
[14:16] <DarthBurg> Canada does not have a real issue with folks leaving either
[14:16] <praxis9> Everyone is just like us. I'm not kidding. No. Really.
[14:16] <Nikie> hahaha
[14:16] <CryHavoc> hey Nikie
[14:16] * Nikie kicks parxis in da nuts
[14:16] <Nikie> hay cry unit
[14:16] <CryHavoc> that impolite Nikie
[14:17] <CryHavoc> you will neer get laid that way
[14:17] <CryHavoc> ;)
[14:17] <Nikie> thats okay..i have u...u're one horny bastard
[14:17] <VemoD> Population is being dealt with on a political level right now...no one alive
[14:17] <CryHavoc> no you do not have me...
[14:17] <CryHavoc> and I am no more hornier than any hetero male
[14:18] <Nikie> u're hetero?
[14:18] <Nikie> since when
[14:18] <VemoD> Sooner or later yes...everyone will have to become one nation
[14:18] <panini> how many muslims will die in riots over this? http://www.hezbemihan.org/Mih
[14:18] <VemoD> Otherwise...it won't work
[14:18] * praxis9 adoringly fondles Nikie's Standard Issue.
[14:18] <Nikie> HEHE
[14:18] <VemoD> Or I should say...one land
[14:18] <Lupine> PANINI: not enough
[14:18] <CryHavoc> Nikie is not Nikie :)
[14:19] <Nikie> eh
[14:19] <VemoD> Food comes from this place...energy from this place, etc. etc.
[14:19] * CryHavoc notices that Nikie is a velcro construct
[14:19] <bud`> planet is overdue for a mass extinction event
[14:19] <bud`> =P
[14:19] <VemoD> And science helps :)
[14:19] <CryHavoc> brb
[14:20] <Nikie> am not
[14:20] <panini> bud we're in one already
[14:20] <panini> read "Sixth Entinction" by richard leakey
[14:21] <panini> n=x
[14:21] <praxis9> I love chocolate. And I love Nikie when she kicks me in da nutz.
[14:21] <panini> weirdo
[14:21] <VemoD> I don't think there will be extinction...not by human hands. I think we'll o
[14:21] <DarthBurg> I do not like chocolate with nuts
[14:22] <praxis9> She loves me. She really does. She cares enough to incapacitate me.
[14:22] <Nikie> HAHA
[14:22] <DarthBurg> thats tough love man
[14:22] <praxis9> That's what I need. Tough love.
[14:22] <VemoD> We aren't suicidal like Lemmings :)
[14:22] <IamKing> no, what you need is some balls of stainless steel
[14:23] <IamKing> so that Nikie breaks her toe or foot on them when she kicks you there :P
[14:23] <DarthBurg> Cup Protection, wear it, be happy
[14:23] <IamKing> that'll teach her :P
[14:23] <Nikie> :P
[14:23] <panini> if you want HUMAN extinction, join VEHEMENT
[14:23] <praxis9> VemoD: Well, maybe you aren't. But I'm perfectly happy being Nikie's little
[14:23] <VemoD> But yeah, before we figure it out...maybe some big rock will destroy us hehe
[14:23] <panini> Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
[14:23] <VemoD> prax: kinky =)
[14:24] <Nikie> oh wow i have a fan
[14:24] <praxis9> VemoD: You have to be when you're fat and stupid. It's an ironclad rule of
[14:24] <panini> its one of the wacky liberal groups
[14:24] <DarthBurg> those crazy donkeys
[14:24] <praxis9> Wait. I'm not fat and stupid. I'm so confused.
[14:25] <DarthBurg> Donkey see, Donkey bray
[14:25] <Nikie> praxis, will u like..carry my books to school and drive me
[14:25] <DarthBurg> ooooo she wants you to DRIVE her
[14:25] <panini> oh he'll drive you alright...
[14:25] <praxis9> Nikie: I will do anything for you. And I won't complain!
[14:25] <Nikie> HAHA
[14:25] <panini> drive you CRAZY---
[14:25] <Nikie> ya
[14:25] <VemoD> praxis: I'm busting up man
[14:25] <praxis9> Just kick me in da nutz every now and then. Okay?
[14:26] <DarthBurg> to show your tough love
[14:26] <Nikie> ok
[14:26] <Nikie> HAHAHA
[14:26] <VemoD> <--- laughing
[14:26] <praxis9> Yay!
[14:26] * DarthBurg is not so easily amused.
[14:27] <DarthBurg> IamKing is a king in his own mind, sorrounded by a large moat
[14:27] <VemoD> darth: So where are you ticklish?
[14:27] <DarthBurg> that is not information available on a family channel
[14:27] <VemoD> ^_^
[14:27] <Fr33Trade> Cool, I am through working today, we are going to meet tommorrow morning
[14:28] <praxis9> Darth is ticklish in his Danger Zone.
[14:28] <DarthBurg> Fr33Trade
[14:28] <Fr33Trade> :)
[14:28] <VemoD> darth: good answer...but I bet even your feet could make you giggle
[14:28] <VemoD> Anyway...
[14:28] <gopp> Fr33Trade hola
[14:28] <gopp> Fr33Trade como estas hoy
[14:30] <ISRAELI> Hi
[14:30] <Nomex> wow, that nick doesn't have troll written all over it
[14:31] <bud`> hi israeli
[14:31] <ISRAELI> Hi bud
[14:31] <gopp> hi
[14:31] <gopp> hola
[14:31] <bud`> anyone else here enjoying the jazz fest webcast
[14:31] <patch6> lemmings aren't actually suicidal, that "fact" was a fabrication made for a
[14:31] <praxis9> That nick has "liberal" written all over it.
[14:31] <Fr33Trade> I love the internet, it documents everything. Sending a contract by email
[14:31] <Fr33Trade> I often do billion by internet as well.
[14:31] <Nomex> patch6: they weren't suicidal, they followed each other into death
[14:32] <Fr33Trade> billing
[14:32] <Nomex> if one falls off a cliff, the rest follow
[14:32] <Fr33Trade> I wish it was billion
[14:32] <gopp> Fr33Trade hhahah
[14:32] <Nomex> not saying it's true or not
[14:32] <Nomex> just a correction
[14:32] <gopp> Fr33Trade hola como etas el intenret hoy?
[14:32] <patch6> (cut paste from wiki) "White Wilderness popularized, using staged footage, t
[14:32] <gopp> Fr33Trade teines un rapido internet?
[14:33] <ISRAELI> somebody wants to chat about the Iranian threat ?
[14:33] <VemoD> bud: nope, is that the Chicago one?
[14:33] <gopp> ISRAELI por que
[14:33] <praxis9> Gop is talking Chinese again.
[14:33] <gopp> YO en boycot, voy a hablar no en ingles
[14:33] <bud`> VemoD no, New Orleans jazz & heritage festival, live right now webcast
[14:33] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, Gracia, Soy bien hoy, y tu ?
[14:33] <ISRAELI> gopp: i still don't speak spanish...
[14:33] <Nomex> isreali: it's exaggerated IMO
[14:33] <Fr33Trade> Gracias that is.
[14:33] <Fr33Trade> Gracias eso es.
[14:34] <Fr33Trade> Is that right ?
[14:34] <gopp> bien chico, Gracias, NP
[14:34] <Fr33Trade> thankyou that is or thankyou this is.
[14:34] <Nomex> there's no way Iran, even with WMDs, that Iran would launch an offensive stri
[14:34] <bud`> http://music.msn.com/music/neworleansjazz
[14:34] <VemoD> bud: Where is it at...I'm got a picky "musician" soundcard
[14:34] <VemoD> cool
[14:34] <praxis9> Gop: May I have a taco?
[14:34] <gopp> Fr33Trade have you ever used this tool
[14:34] <gopp> http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en
[14:35] <Fr33Trade> Chico ? Y tu estoy un cheeky Senorita ?
[14:35] <gopp> they have english to japan, english to spanish, english to arabic, and english
[14:35] <praxis9> ¿Puedo tener un taco?
[14:35] <Fr33Trade> Whoops Redundancy take out the tu.
[14:35] <gopp> Fr33Trade oh veo eso, chico te gusta el programa "ghost"
[14:35] <VemoD> bud: Thanks man!
[14:35] <gopp> praxis9 eso esta bueno
[14:36] <praxis9> ¿Puedo tener un burrito?
[14:36] <Fr33Trade> Soy puedo tengo un taco ;)
[14:36] <Nomex> je suis une ananas
[14:36] <gopp> En protesta, hablaré español hoy y el tomrrow.
[14:36] <praxis9> Quisiera tener un taco alegre.
[14:36] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, I have used that tool it sometimes is inaccurate sometimes its abso
[14:36] <praxis9> There. I asked for a gay taco.
[14:37] <gopp> Fr33Trade si, yes
[14:37] <VemoD> bud: You can't believe how this makes my day ^_^
[14:37] <gopp> I love thier arabic to english translation
[14:37] <gopp> it neet
[14:37] <Fr33Trade> Which work is gay ? Oh slang for a Burrito up the yazoo
[14:37] <Fr33Trade> hehe
[14:37] <gopp> I wish it worked far better
[14:37] * praxis9 kicks Nikie in da nutz.
[14:37] <Fr33Trade> work = word
[14:37] <gopp> burrito are good food to some people
[14:37] <gopp> never ate one
[14:37] <Nomex> you've never had a burrito?
[14:37] <gopp> I heard san diego has the world best tacos
[14:37] <Nomex> do you boycott taco bell or something?
[14:38] <gopp> is that rue
[14:38] <panini> burrito makes you fat
[14:38] <gopp> Nomex wow, taco bell makes mE sick
[14:38] <gopp> taco bell and white castle make me sick
[14:38] <Nomex> gopp: it's supposed to, that's part of its charm
[14:38] <Fr33Trade> Gay = Mariposa, Shit there are a bunch of names I forget them all, anothe
[14:38] <gopp> Fr33Trade si
[14:38] <praxis9> Taco Bell makes me think of hot Latin love.
[14:38] <gopp> Fr33Trade also in cuban it means maricon
[14:39] <gopp> which is also a bad word
[14:39] <gopp> but it real meaning is
[14:39] <bud`> VemoD been a lot of great music all day
[14:39] <gopp> homosexuals
[14:39] <Fr33Trade> last time I managed a construction site for a large developer he hired ab
[14:39] <gopp> almost like english
[14:39] <Fr33Trade> Puto, Mariposa, Another M word. there are a lot
[14:39] <Fr33Trade> mariposa literally means butterflyu
[14:39] <Fr33Trade> minus u
[14:40] <gopp> Fr33Trade yes
[14:40] <Fr33Trade> Puto is really more like guy bitch
[14:40] <gopp> that mexican name
[14:40] <gopp> yea
[14:40] <gopp> hmm
[14:40] <Fr33Trade> Gopp there is another m word do you remember any ?
[14:40] <gopp> loca also
[14:40] <gopp> Fr33Trade if you hear a mexican saying that guy is a loca
[14:40] <gopp> he dress like a female
[14:40] <gopp> or acts like one
[14:40] <gopp> Fr33Trade maricon is the slang one used by cubans
[14:41] <VemoD> bud: I do a recording studio...so I'm listening nice and loud :) I was getti
[14:41] <gopp> but gay in spanish alegre
[14:41] <gopp> happy
[14:41] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, by the way I was teasing you about if you were a cheeky girl, I bel
[14:41] <Fr33Trade> Maricon
[14:41] <Fr33Trade> Absolutely thats the word
[14:41] <gopp> Fr33Trade si
[14:41] <Fr33Trade> Maricon is used in Mexico a lot
[14:42] <gopp> Fr33Trade but the real term is homosexual
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> Its very common as slang
[14:42] <Nomex> free: you mean the explosion girls?
[14:42] <gopp> Fr33Trade hmm cuban uses a lot to
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> What does it mean literally ?
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> Maricon ?
[14:42] <gopp> but mexican love the term pendjo
[14:42] <gopp> or carborn
[14:42] <VemoD> argh
[14:42] <gopp> or something
[14:42] <panini> maricon=homosexual
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> pENDEJO IS ASSHOLE
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> whoops
[14:42] <gopp> lol
[14:42] <VemoD> damned commercials
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> Chingas means damn you more or less.
[14:42] <gopp> what the term for lesbian
[14:42] <Fr33Trade> Often americans interpret it as fuck.
[14:42] <panini> cabron=goat (bastard)
[14:43] <gopp> yea
[14:43] <gopp> medera = sh!t
[14:43] <panini> no, chinga means fuck
[14:43] <gopp> mierda
[14:43] <panini> mierda = shit
[14:43] <gopp> freetrade = libre cambio
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> well one context of fuck in english language fits such as fuck you as an
[14:44] <gopp> freetrade = librecambio
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> Never talk about a mexicans mother that way, they dont consider it humor.
[14:44] <gopp> Fr33Trade it would, never new that
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> Fuck in mexican spanish is coher..
[14:44] <panini> chinga tu madre is fuck your mother
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> Fuck as in sexual intercourse
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> Panini, it is not.
[14:44] <panini> coger is also the same
[14:44] <Fr33Trade> It is close
[14:45] <gopp> Fr33Trade wow , mexican love thier mothers
[14:45] <gopp> rayos also means fucks
[14:45] <gopp> but it not bad term
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> Its closer to damn your mother, but when americans say fuck your mother t
[14:45] <VemoD> I'd hope everyone loves their mother
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> Its a general insult.
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> its also a general insult in spanish.
[14:45] <gopp> pani cogida
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> Though Fuck in English also means to have sexual intercourse.
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> chinagas has no sexual connotation.
[14:45] <panini> coger means literally "to grab", and that's how the spanish use it, but in m
[14:45] <Fr33Trade> chingas I mean..
[14:46] <Fr33Trade> cojer sounds like Cohair in english
[14:46] <gopp> lol
[14:46] <Fr33Trade> Thats sexual intercourse
[14:46] <gopp> Fr33Trade cogida means fuck
[14:46] <gopp> "fuck you" = vete a la mierda
[14:46] <Fr33Trade> quiero cojer tu hermana...
[14:46] <gopp> like saying go to hell
[14:47] <gopp> Fr33Trade oh don't say that to a mexican
[14:47] <Fr33Trade> tu is not right is it? Or is it ? It means you but Im trying to say your.
[14:47] <Fr33Trade> thinking.
[14:47] <Fr33Trade> Ustedes ?
[14:47] <gopp> like quero cojer tu esposa
[14:47] <panini> no
[14:47] <gopp> so Fr33Trade can speak spanish sweet
[14:47] <panini> tu is correct
[14:47] <gopp> Fr33Trade you learn lot of spanish
[14:48] <abum> The United States deliberately passed up repeated opportunities to kill the he
[14:48] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, In mexican its cojer.. of course mexico like america has even diffe
[14:48] <gopp> abum Los Estados Unidos pasaron deliberadamente encima de oportunidades repeti
[14:48] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, Yo hablo spanglish.
[14:48] <gopp> Fr33Trade hmm didn't know that
[14:48] <gopp> Fr33Trade so do I
[14:48] <gopp> but I speak cuban spanglish
[14:48] <abum> The claim, by former US spy Mike Scheuer, was made in an interview to be shown
[14:48] <gopp> which is far different from mexican
[14:49] <gopp> a bit different
[14:49] <gopp> but you know how to tell them, what they need to do on the job site right
[14:49] <Fr33Trade> The breakthrough for me was when I understood what people were talking ab
[14:49] <panini> abum, is he selling a book?
[14:49] <abum> dont know
[14:49] <gopp> Fr33Trade spanish is not hard to learn I suppose
[14:50] <abum> it doesnt say
[14:50] <gopp> I think english is harder
[14:50] <silentb0b> spanish is an easy language to learn compared to most languages
[14:50] <Fr33Trade> That was a good feeling when suddenly What sounded like gibbirish to me b
[14:50] <gopp> Fr33Trade what language did you take in school may I ask
[14:50] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, English )
[14:50] <Fr33Trade> haha
[14:50] <VemoD> bud: well....I guess...Its Sunday ;)
[14:50] <gopp> other then that
[14:50] <Swigert> hey
[14:50] <Fr33Trade> I took some spanish, not much. I regret very much that I did not master a
[14:51] <gopp> did you take french, itilan hmm
[14:51] <Fr33Trade> I regret a lot of things I did in my youth.
[14:51] <Fr33Trade> NO fuck french
[14:51] <gopp> lol
[14:51] <Nomex> amen to that
[14:51] <Fr33Trade> I woudlnt WANT to learn it if I could learn it in 3 months.
[14:51] <Swigert> well I'm never going back to my local videom store again - terrible service
[14:51] <Fr33Trade> Spanish is the language I love and want to speak fluently some day.
[14:51] <gopp> Fretless Je parle du français
[14:51] <gopp> Fr33Trade when youo go back to college
[14:51] <Fr33Trade> Why dont I want to speak French ?
[14:52] <Swigert> I just stood in line for about 10 minutes - and the line never moved. I th
[14:52] <gopp> you might as a elective need to take a lanague
[14:52] <silentb0b> nobody speaks french lol
[14:52] <gopp> spanish would be good
[14:52] <Fr33Trade> gopp, I got back to college when I dont have to work.. .I am serious
[14:52] <gopp> Fr33Trade I know a guy, who was going to summer college, just to take a course
[14:52] <gopp> for his job
[14:52] <Fr33Trade> I still take a class now and then but before I get serious about it ?
[14:52] <Fr33Trade> I have to be financially somewhat independent.
[14:52] <gopp> hmm
[14:53] <gopp> Fr33Trade what lang is your duagther taking in high school
[14:53] <gopp> I know many people who took french, never new why
[14:53] <Fr33Trade> French was sort of a pompous elitist language among rich bitches in Amric
[14:53] <Fr33Trade> Seriously for a lot of people french is an ego thing.
[14:53] <gopp> hmm
[14:53] <Fr33Trade> The desire to learn it.
[14:53] <gopp> OH, I don't care much for it
[14:54] <Fr33Trade> German is more important, or Spanish for americans especially
[14:54] <gopp> Je parle du français
[14:54] <gopp> I think greek is good for math
[14:54] <VemoD> swigert: Which movie?
[14:54] <gopp> and spanish is good for americans
[14:54] <Fr33Trade> Parle vu Francais ? Is that correct.
[14:54] <gopp> and why german
[14:54] <bud`> ego thing? it was the universal language
[14:54] <gopp> Fr33Trade si
[14:54] <Swigert> vemo: some cheap one called Kung Pow - but I won't get to see it because of
[14:54] <gopp> Fr33Trade Oui cela bon.
[14:55] <VemoD> Oh I've seen that...its funny
[14:55] <Nomex> Fr33Trade: parle vous
[14:55] <bud`> parlez vous francais
[14:55] <bud`> -z
[14:55] <gopp> Nomex Oui cela bon.
[14:55] <Swigert> yes it is good
[14:55] <Fr33Trade> Dont get me wrong when I say people I am generalizing, obviously people t
[14:55] <gopp> Fr33Trade lol
[14:55] <Fr33Trade> Remember when they lectured Poland to get in line with france ? And Polan
[14:55] <VemoD> swigert: I don't throw videos at people, but more power to you :)
[14:55] <Fr33Trade> Poland is much more pro american than pro french.
[14:56] <gopp> Fr33Trade Outre de, nous volonté française succèdent l'Amérique
[14:56] <Swigert> vemod: yeah I sort of regret that but I won't be coming back
[14:56] <VemoD> swigert: I don't have a short fuse, unless I'm in pain and waiting in line fo
[14:56] <Fr33Trade> No sabe me amigo.
[14:56] <Fr33Trade> mi
[14:56] <Swigert> vemod: I have my limits
[14:56] <gopp> Odeur française de personnes
[14:56] <VemoD> swigert: Well there's other video stores
[14:57] <gopp> Fr33Trade oh no sabe, pero por que
[14:57] <Swigert> vemod: I rarely rent
[14:57] <gopp> Fr33Trade do you what this means in french " Odeur française de personnes "
[14:57] <Fr33Trade> Seriously there are good reasons to learn French, but the snobbish reason
[14:57] <gopp> take a quess
[14:57] <gopp> Les personnes de classe aristocratique sucent
[14:58] <Fr33Trade> I am more utilatarian, What is useful for me.. To understand a dying coun
[14:58] <gopp> la nourriture française n'est pas gâtée
[14:58] <Swigert> vemo: well I just called to apologize
[14:58] <gopp> Fr33Trade why is germany important
[14:58] <gopp> I don't get it
[14:59] <gopp> l'Espagnol est très bon
[14:59] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, Same reason Japanese is.
[14:59] <VemoD> swig: uh huh?
[14:59] <Hraban> talk english, like every other civilized person :p
[14:59] <Fr33Trade> English Japanese and German are the 3 largest economic powers in the worl
[14:59] <gopp> Fr33Trade I want to leark hindi and punjabi
[14:59] <Fr33Trade> Some form of indian language, And Chinese would be useful now as well.
[14:59] <gopp> Fr33Trade knochiwa
[15:00] <Fr33Trade> India has several languages.
[15:00] <gopp> Fr33Trade I want to learn hindi, and punjabi to understand the people in my sc
[15:00] <Fr33Trade> ]Panini which is the main language of india ?
[15:00] <Fr33Trade> hindi ?
[15:00] <gopp> hindi
[15:00] <gopp> is
[15:00] <gopp> and english
[15:00] <Fr33Trade> Ok thanks.
[15:00] <Swigert> India has 16 official languages
[15:00] <gopp> if you can't speak hindi, then try english
[15:00] <gopp> yea hindi is number 1
[15:00] <gopp> and punjabi is lower cast lang
[15:01] <Swigert> plus numerous others
[15:01] <Fr33Trade> English is a univeral language, it is now the universal language of the w
[15:01] <gopp> Fr33Trade what strange, it lower class slang is punjabi
[15:01] <Fr33Trade> English is the international language of science, Air Controllers, and Bu
[15:01] <gopp> they have class system
[15:01] <Hraban> you mean caste :)
[15:01] <gopp> cast system, panini why dot hey have a caste system
[15:01] <gopp> Hraban are you indian
[15:01] <Fr33Trade> I love Indians, They are nice people, though some I have met ( a minority
[15:02] <Hraban> yup, I hunt bizons and scalp my fallen enemies
[15:02] <gopp> they are
[15:02] <gopp> Fr33Trade what do you mean lazy
[15:02] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, Sit on thier ass lazy..
[15:02] <gopp> Fr33Trade oh
[15:02] <gopp> do you mean native americans
[15:02] <gopp> or indians of north of america
[15:02] <Fr33Trade> I worked on an apt building literally full of indians owned by an indian
[15:02] <gopp> or south asia
[15:02] <gopp> Fr33Trade that messed up
[15:03] <gopp> evict his own people
[15:03] <gopp> Fr33Trade thier a movie you must watch, for historical purpose called
[15:03] <gopp> lost city
[15:03] <gopp> it great, it only showing in few teathers
[15:03] <Fr33Trade> I Worked on their apartments , they were filthy and sat on their ass unti
[15:04] <gopp> hollywood didn't want to bring it out
[15:04] <Fr33Trade> Byut hey, they are a minority
[15:04] <Fr33Trade> Most Indians I have met are very good workers and very intelligent.
[15:04] <gopp> Fr33Trade those are probally lower part of the caste
[15:04] <TheTailor> Cept Rusty, he's a bum!
[15:05] <gopp> those in the high caste are very intelligent
[15:05] <[brent]> the one with Andy Garcia?
[15:05] <gopp> [brent] yes
[15:05] <gopp> I saw it yesterday
[15:05] <gopp> it best movie in a long time
[15:05] <gopp> hollywood never wanted it reasled
[15:05] <gopp> took him 17 years to come out
[15:05] <[brent]> thx, looks good, film is my specialty :P
[15:05] <gopp> so it only showing in few places
[15:06] <gopp> yepe, only 6 theathers in my area and some in maimi and califorina
[15:06] <gopp> it a story about fidel and che and havan and bastia
[15:06] <gopp> it shows both side
[15:06] <gopp> basita and fidel
[15:06] <gopp> it very histoirical
[15:06] <gopp> and some guy in the middle of it all, a guy who was not poltical
[15:06] <DiscoTaco> by Indians, do you mean dots or feathers?
[15:06] <gopp> who had two bothers one who was part of fidel squad
[15:07] <gopp> and another who was not a fidel follower, but wanted to murder basita
[15:07] <[brent]> ok don't tell me the whole story! hehe
[15:07] <gopp> DiscoTaco dots
[15:07] <gopp> [brent] k I won't
[15:07] <gopp> movies.yahoo.com
[15:07] <gopp> or google it
[15:07] <gopp> k I go
[15:07] <[brent]> yeah i imdb'ed
[15:07] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, An excellent documentary EVERYONE who wants to be educated on the c
[15:07] <[brent]> that's on my list, too
[15:07] <[brent]> =]
[15:07] <gopp> oh wow
[15:08] <gopp> Fr33Trade is it out on dvd
[15:08] <[brent]> there's some new docu called Confederate States of America/CSA
[15:08] <gopp> [brent] oh wow
[15:08] <[brent]> i like to try to see all those political movies
[15:08] <gopp> Fr33Trade you seen it before
[15:08] <gopp> me to
[15:08] <gopp> I am fan of such
[15:08] <Fr33Trade> It follows him from an idealistic youth who really wanted to improve Cuba
[15:09] <Fr33Trade> He wasnt an eager communist, but he was an eager dictator.
[15:09] <nomin-> bush rewards his followers
[15:09] <[brent]> this Che movie is taking a while to come out
[15:09] <Swigert> brent: saw the trailer - too political but interesting
[15:09] <Fr33Trade> His youthful dream was to create a free and democratic non corrup cuba..
[15:09] <[brent]> and not The Motorcycle Diaries
[15:09] <Swigert> Che was a terrorist who got what he deserved
[15:09] <gopp> Fr33Trade wow
[15:09] <Fr33Trade> But he got the tase of power and it just corrupted him totally.
[15:09] <nomin-> bush is dumb. anyone who follows him will be rewarded.
[15:09] <gopp> Fr33Trade but what made him change
[15:09] <gopp> oh
[15:09] <nomin-> follow bush and reap the benefits
[15:10] <Fr33Trade> How any human being could have any good feelings toward castro only is il
[15:10] <nomin-> bush will rewaqrd you
[15:10] <[brent]> i'm a huge Bush hater and i don't claim to know enough about what is going
[15:10] <Swigert> Castro should be arrested and put on trial
[15:10] <nomin-> bush rewards loyalists
[15:10] <Fr33Trade> Yes I agree Che prided himself on killing people who didnt believe the wa
[15:10] <[brent]> but i have a problem with the way he tries to makes jokes
[15:10] <Fr33Trade> Castro killed many of his co revolutionaries.
[15:10] <nomin-> people that believe in democracy are stomped out
[15:10] <[brent]> like they showed some look-a-alike on TV trying to be funny
[15:10] <praxis9> Che ney.
[15:10] <gopp> Fr33Trade what strange is che was a doctor
[15:10] <nomin-> democracy is bad
[15:10] <gopp> was he not
[15:10] <nomin-> believe in bush
[15:10] <nomin-> democracy is bad
[15:10] <nomin-> support bush
[15:10] <nomin-> bush is the man
[15:10] <gopp> nomazda stop trolling
[15:11] <gopp> nomin
[15:11] <nomin-> democracy is bad
[15:11] <gopp> nomin- stop it, it annoying
[15:11] <nomin-> get rid of democracy
[15:11] <praxis9> I smell ozone.
[15:11] <nomin-> bush is godd
[15:11] <nomin-> good
[15:11] <nomin-> every one else is bad
[15:11] <nomin-> bush is king
[15:11] <praxis9> I smell ozone.
[15:11] <nomin-> suppott hime
[15:11] <Fr33Trade> When Catro suceeded which is a very interesting tale, some of his co-revo
[15:11] <Mahmoud_A> he's not trolling, only speaking his mind
[15:11] <nomin-> support him
[15:11] <nomin-> give him support
[15:11] <nomin-> bush is the man
[15:11] <Fr33Trade> Democracy is not inherently good or bad.
[15:11] <praxis9> I really smell ozone.
[15:11] <nomin-> democracy bad
[15:11] <nomin-> bush good
[15:11] <nomin-> bush is our king
[15:11] <[brent]> lol praxis9
[15:11] <nomin-> support bush
[15:11] <gopp> Fr33Trade wow,
[15:12] <gopp> Fr33Trade we have a bot
[15:12] <nomin-> i love bush
[15:12] <nomin-> bush is our king
[15:12] <gopp> Fr33Trade a bush loving bot
[15:12] <Fr33Trade> its usually better than a dicatorship or monarchy.. Its always better tha
[15:12] <nomin-> crown him
[15:12] <nomin-> democracy bad
[15:12] <nomin-> people are dumb
[15:12] <e-Hernick> The Bush speech at the White House Correspondents' Association Dinner was
[15:12] <nomin-> stomp them out
[15:12] <nomin-> people are stupid
[15:12] <[brent]> not the one with the look-a-alike i hope
[15:12] <gopp> e-Hernick yepe it was funny
[15:12] <nomin-> I love bush
[15:12] <e-Hernick> [brent]: yes
[15:12] <[brent]> :p
[15:12] <praxis9> spewing inane idiocies is good.
[15:12] <nomin-> I love the CIA
[15:12] <gopp> nomin- stop it
[15:12] <nomin-> support the CIA
[15:12] <Fr33Trade> Its the best form of government out of a choice of lousy government, sinc
[15:12] <e-Hernick> I bet that it will increase his approval rating
[15:12] <Lithium-> e-Hernick: colbert's speech was better
[15:12] <nomin-> invade EVERYONE
[15:12] <e-Hernick> Lithium-: I'm about to watch it
[15:13] <nomin-> we are the kings of the world
[15:13] <e-Hernick> I'll be back in 20 minutes once I'm done watching it
[15:13] <nomin-> USA supports the bush family
[15:13] <gopp> Fr33Trade yes basita was bad, but was he as bad as what they have know
[15:13] <nomin-> we support the bush family
[15:13] <nomin-> bush family is the best
[15:13] <Mahmoud_A> elect bush, support terrorism
[15:13] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:13] <Fr33Trade> Gopp, Why do you call me a Bush loving bot ?
[15:13] <Swigert> nomin: that's the spirit!!
[15:13] <gopp> nomin- stop it
[15:13] <gopp> Fr33Trade not you
[15:13] <nomin-> CIA families are the best
[15:13] <gopp> Fr33Trade nomin
[15:13] <Swigert> nomin: hey don't lay it on toooo thick :)
[15:13] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:13] <gopp> Fr33Trade nomin is a bush loving bot
[15:13] <Fr33Trade> I do in fact love Bush very much.. But I am well reasoned in my love of h
[15:13] <gopp> look at the spam
[15:13] <nomin-> I love loyal familites
[15:13] <gopp> Fr33Trade I never said you
[15:14] <gopp> nomin- and his spam
[15:14] <nomin-> I love these loyal families
[15:14] <gopp> k thakns
[15:14] <nomin-> loyal families are the best
[15:14] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:14] <nomin-> bush family is the best
[15:14] <nomin-> I love the bush's
[15:14] <patch6> you love repeating yourself too apparently
[15:14] <nomin-> bush is the number one drug trader
[15:14] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:15] <gopp> Fr33Trade it was not directed at you
[15:15] <nomin-> bush family is the best
[15:15] <sintient> Who runs more guns who drops more bodies who be desired by more hotties?
[15:15] <jetair> bush is a murder
[15:15] <Fr33Trade> I supported what he ran on, Tax cuts, Increasing minority membership in t
[15:15] <nomin-> I love the republican partys support of the bush family
[15:15] <gopp> nomin- how about kerry\
[15:15] <nomin-> lets support the bush family
[15:15] <Fr33Trade> they never could of dreamed of under saddam.
[15:15] <nomin-> i love the bush family
[15:16] <sintient> Dude that is hilarious.
[15:16] <nomin-> bush family is the best
[15:16] <Fr33Trade> Under saddam the way of life was to not be noticed.. That was your dream
[15:16] <nomin-> jeb bush is gov of floridaq
[15:16] <nomin-> florida
[15:16] <sintient> I bet if there was a bot saying down with bush, bush family sucks he would
[15:16] <nomin-> I love the governer of florida
[15:16] <Fr33Trade> Now they can dream on about being who they want to be.
[15:16] <nomin-> I love the governor of florida
[15:16] <MikeyD> hello
[15:16] <MikeyD> i hate all of you
[15:16] <nomin-> lets support jeb bush
[15:16] <MikeyD> because youre irc people
[15:16] <gopp> MikeyD why
[15:16] <MikeyD> thank you, drive through
[15:16] <MikeyD> =)
[15:16] <nomin-> I love jeb bush
[15:16] <nomin-> jeb bush is the best
[15:16] <gopp> nomin- who don't you dislike
[15:16] <[brent]> hey now
[15:16] <Hansard> good morning
[15:16] <[brent]> i will almost agree there
[15:16] <nomin-> lets support jeb bush in florida
[15:17] <Fr33Trade> we did a great noble thing in Iraq, Yes at a hice price to Iraqis in bloo
[15:17] <Mahmoud_A> Fr33Trade, why dont you take a dream vacation to iraq
[15:17] <[brent]> i LOVE the shoot first law in Florida
[15:17] <nomin-> jeb bush is the best american ever
[15:17] <gopp> nomin- I love bush, I supported bush k we get the point
[15:17] <panini> jeb bush might be the next pres...
[15:17] <[brent]> i'd have shot at least 4 people already
[15:17] <Mahmoud_A> and live the dream with them
[15:17] <[brent]> for muggings and assaults
[15:17] <[brent]> i <3 Jeb
[15:17] <DiscoTaco> nomin-: STFU
[15:17] <Nomex> normin: a better idea would be to support getting shot in the face
[15:17] <nomin-> jeb bush is the governer of florida
[15:17] <[brent]> but...he's a Bush
[15:17] <Nomex> :>
[15:17] <nomin-> I love jeb bush
[15:17] <gopp> Fr33Trade that true
[15:17] <sintient> Nnomis is proving a point.
[15:17] <nomin-> jeb bush is george bush's brother
[15:17] <Fr33Trade> Bush and Reagan were my favorite president because the truth is they are
[15:17] <jetair> sadat
[15:17] <gopp> sintient what point
[15:17] <sintient> ANd the expiriment is all ready successfull I presume.
[15:17] <nomin-> jeb bush is the brother that I look up to
[15:17] <panini> btw, Kerry looks like he's gonna run again... is that hilarious or what!???
[15:17] <[brent]> Bush doesn't care about me! ;p
[15:17] <Fr33Trade> Go ahead and laugh, leftists.. But you do not know these men as I do.
[15:17] <nomin-> I really like brother jenb
[15:17] <td-> WASHINGTON - It's time for the White House to go on offense and "get our mojo b
[15:17] <nomin-> brother jeb is the best
[15:18] <Lithium-> lmao
[15:18] <td-> you got austin powers in the white house now
[15:18] <Nomex> panini: not if he actually campaigns well
[15:18] <sintient> that you can spam and be unresponsive as long as you are pro republican.
[15:18] <nomin-> brother jeb is the best governer ever
[15:18] <Lithium-> yea, Fr33Trade, im sure you know them much better somehow
[15:18] <Fr33Trade> Jeb is a great governor, I dont want him fro president.
[15:18] <nomin-> I really like brother jeb
[15:18] <gopp> sintient I love kerry
[15:18] <sintient> I might have blown the second part of the expiriment.
[15:18] <panini> Nomex, *rofl*
[15:18] <gopp> I hate bush sintient
[15:18] <Fr33Trade> I think I am going to go with McCain for president.
[15:18] <gopp> I hate bush I love kerry
[15:18] <nomin-> brother jeb is the true christian warriar
[15:18] <sintient> We will see gopp.
[15:18] <gopp> sintient I love kerry
[15:18] <Nomex> panini: he campaigned like crap last election
[15:18] <Fr33Trade> christian ?
[15:18] <Swigert> hero?
[15:18] <nomin-> brother jeb is the man that I look up to
[15:18] <gopp> I support kerry
[15:18] <nomin-> I like brother jeb
[15:18] <Fr33Trade> I have never heard any Bush express a zeal for christianity.
[15:18] <gopp> sintient your point is what
[15:18] <gopp> I like brother kerry
[15:18] <nomin-> brother jeb is the true brother
[15:18] <Fr33Trade> hell Goerge Bush and his wife were pro choice.
[15:19] <Fr33Trade> George Bush 41 changed his position to get elected.
[15:19] <gopp> no brother kerry is a true brother
[15:19] <Fr33Trade> this one is Bush 43
[15:19] <panini> Nomex, lol... so you blame his loss on the tactics, and not the man himself,
[15:19] <gopp> sintient so your point is wrong
[15:19] <Nomex> panini: pretty much yeah
[15:19] <[brent]> it's like they are robots
[15:19] <gopp> you can be pro kerry and not get kicked
[15:19] <sintient> You aren't as convincing.
[15:19] <[brent]> revision 43
[15:19] <Fr33Trade> Bush 43 is typical of the other 80% of americans who are religious, he is
[15:19] <gopp> sintient nor is nomin-
[15:19] <sintient> I blew the expiriement it will have to take place another time.
[15:19] <Fr33Trade> Verion 2.43
[15:19] <nomin-> I think I like brother jeb
[15:20] <panini> Nomex, cool, then you *deserve* him as your next candidate :)
[15:20] <Fr33Trade> version
[15:20] <[brent]> hehe
[15:20] <Nomex> he won't be my next candidate
[15:20] <nomin-> brother jeb might be better than george
[15:20] <Nomex> I'm not american
[15:20] <gopp> I am american and proud of it
[15:20] <gopp> very proud
[15:20] <gopp> are you proud to be from england Nomex
[15:20] <nomin-> I am proud that the bush family is dominant in the USA
[15:20] <Nomex> no, I'm proud to be an ex-patriot canadian
[15:20] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:20] <nomin-> I am proud to be american
[15:20] <Nomex> living off the outsourcing of american finance
[15:20] <gopp> Fr33Trade do you have a myspace
[15:20] <Nomex> :)
[15:21] <nomin-> I love being american and in support of the bush family
[15:21] <nomin-> I am american and love the bush family
[15:21] <gopp> any one here have a myspace
[15:21] <gopp> what so good about myspace
[15:21] <Fr33Trade> Powell came out and I know leftists are going to try to spin it and he sa
[15:21] <nomin-> I am proud to support the bush family
[15:21] <gopp> that it all over the news
[15:21] <[brent]> i made one this year for music info
[15:21] <[brent]> so i have one yes
[15:21] <nomin-> I love the USA and the bush family
[15:21] <nomin-> I love this stuff
[15:21] <panini> gop, myspace is for teenage girls mostly
[15:21] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:21] <nomin-> I love the USA
[15:21] <[brent]> it's on the news because people use it to find minors for sex
[15:21] <nomin-> I am patriotic
[15:21] <nomin-> I am patriotic
[15:21] <Fr33Trade> and I think there are obviousl reasons why a leaner smaller force was a g
[15:21] <nomin-> I love the USA and the bush family
[15:22] <nomin-> I love the bush family
[15:22] <VemoD> I am the patriarch!
[15:22] <nomin-> I support brother jeb
[15:22] <Fr33Trade> A smaller force feels less like an occupaiton and more like a liberation.
[15:22] <[brent]> lol VemoD
[15:22] <Nomex> nomin-: tell us more
[15:22] <ISRAELI> Hi sll
[15:22] <Fr33Trade> Which is why now we hang back in the shadows for when we are needed.
[15:22] <gopp> I love bush, and kerry can go to bye bye
[15:22] <Fr33Trade> You dont have an american tank on every intersection any more.
[15:22] <VemoD> No, I honestly like the U$A. But I will make fun of it too :)
[15:22] <gopp> Fr33Trade nope
[15:22] <gopp> VemoD why
[15:22] <panini> i think it's hilarious that kerry wants to be a TWO time loser
[15:22] <nomin-> brother jeb is the governor of florida
[15:23] <Fr33Trade> You have Iraqis now doing most of the heavy lifting.
[15:23] <gopp> no need to be funny that way
[15:23] <nomin-> get rid of brother jeb
[15:23] <[brent]> he's running again?
[15:23] <gopp> panini he running again
[15:23] <patch6> nomin do you love eminent domain
[15:23] <Fr33Trade> and you have a proven strong desire for democracy
[15:23] <Nomex> I love america too, without giant tax dodging corporations, I wouldn't have a
[15:23] <Fr33Trade> and coexistance
[15:23] <panini> gopp, apparently
[15:23] <VemoD> Why do I like it or why do I make fun of it?
[15:23] <gopp> panini hahhahahahahahahhahaha
[15:23] <gopp> will he even get primarys
[15:23] <gopp> he was one of the worst to ever run
[15:23] <gopp> not the worst but close neough
[15:23] <Fr33Trade> Corporations never dodge taxes, they are DOUBLE TAXED... FACt.
[15:23] <gopp> enough for anyparty
[15:23] <nomin-> brother jeb supports wierd skeleton fraternities
[15:23] <[brent]> i didn't want Bush to win, but i didn't want Kerry either
[15:24] <Fr33Trade> The corporation is taxes and the earnings to the shareholders and all wor
[15:24] <Swigert> why not rewrite the constitution to allow Bush a 3rd, 4th and even 5th term
[15:24] <Fr33Trade> The shareholders pay a double tax.
[15:24] <panini> i've already seen op=ed articles from democrats urging kerry not to run
[15:24] <Nomex> Fr33Trade: tax havens
[15:24] <Nomex> I live in one
[15:24] <nomin-> bush is skull n bones
[15:24] <nomin-> bush is skull n bones
[15:24] <[brent]> Swigert: he has over 2 years to do that
[15:24] <nomin-> bush is a wierd frat guy
[15:24] <[brent]> or w/e
[15:24] <panini> Nomex, which one? isle of man?
[15:24] <Swigert> brent: cool! there's still hope!
[15:24] <Nomex> Bermuda
[15:24] <Fr33Trade> A coporation which has so called tax breaks who has a CEO who makes 250k
[15:25] <Fr33Trade> Corporation is a non body.. literally
[15:25] <Fr33Trade> Corporal Means body in Latin
[15:25] <nomin-> the republican party is split right now
[15:25] <Fr33Trade> Its body invented by the state.
[15:25] <Nomex> well, that depends too, he doesn't get taxed on the first 80k here
[15:25] <nomin-> the USA needs a multi party system
[15:25] <nomin-> the 2 party system is in danger
[15:26] <Nomex> but you seem to love the Bush family, wouldn't a 1 party system suit you bett
[15:26] <nomin-> I think there will be more parties in the future
[15:26] <Fr33Trade> A corporation like a man had been charged with crimes and often the peopl
[15:26] <Fr33Trade> Corporations are a fictional body which is treated like a real body.
[15:26] <Fr33Trade> Hence the name corportation or incorporation to be more precise.
[15:26] <nomin-> I love the 2 party system. I also love the bush family. I am loyal only to
[15:26] <Fr33Trade> Top be made Corporal
[15:26] <Fr33Trade> To be made a body under the law.
[15:27] <TheTailor> I thought it meant corpse
[15:27] <nomin-> the bush family are the people to look up to
[15:27] <Fr33Trade> nomin, are you serious or trolling ?
[15:27] <nomin-> I love being a part of the bush family
[15:27] * nomin- is now known as nomin
[15:27] <surfer`> everyone, im curious about your opinions about this. usa have been bankrupt
[15:27] <Nomex> Troll
[15:27] <Fr33Trade> I am not in love with the Bush family.
[15:27] <Nomex> definite
[15:27] <Fr33Trade> Ok Coole the trolling
[15:27] <nomin> I love being a part of the bush family
[15:27] <Fr33Trade> Or I will eliminate you from the channel.
[15:27] <nomin> the bush family is the best family on earth
[15:27] <nomin> the bush family tells us where the weapons are
[15:27] <Nomex> surfer`: America has been on the fiat system for longer than that
[15:28] <Nomex> Gold backed dollar died long ago
[15:28] <Fr33Trade> Better take that seriously too
[15:28] <Nomex> the dollar is backed on the strength of the economy
[15:28] <surfer`> hmm
[15:28] <Fr33Trade> that was the only warning he gets.
[15:28] <Nomex> just like every other western country
[15:28] <Fr33Trade> Nomex, and the faith and credit of the US government but they are intertw
[15:28] <TheTailor> Nope, you are right, 2 : of, relating to, or affecting the body <corpo
[15:28] <panini> strength or weakness
[15:28] <Nomex> yeah
[15:28] <surfer`> all right
[15:29] <Fr33Trade> TT, My dad was a lawyer and I was a prolific non stop inquisitor.;)
[15:29] <Fr33Trade> Thats the only reason I knew that.
[15:29] <TheTailor> Good man
[15:29] <Fr33Trade> As are you sir.
[15:29] <|bob> Fr33Trade: and nobody ever expected you?
[15:29] <patch6> surfer` yes, the federal reserve should be a governmentally-owned facility,
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> Hey guys, seriously, go see this movie or rent it I mean.. "Coach Carter"
[15:30] <Swigert> Richmond, CA?
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> |bob ?
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> Swigert yes.
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> Please see the movie
[15:30] <|bob> Fr33Trade: forget it
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> its uplifting and inspiring and about a lot more than basketball
[15:30] <surfer`> patch6, yea
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> In fact basketball is a sub text.
[15:30] <Fr33Trade> |Bob, do you like me ?
[15:31] <VemoD> One reason I make fun of my country is that we re-elected bush...or even elec
[15:31] <VemoD> 3 strikes, you're out =)
[15:31] <Fr33Trade> Swigert, Please rent the movie. Its a very uplifting movie about a coach
[15:32] <Fr33Trade> The movie is very substantially true
[15:32] <Swigert> FT: maybe some day
[15:32] <Swigert> FT: next saturday dude - off for my research trip
[15:32] <Fr33Trade> iN a school where somethign like 7% of the students go to college, and 5
[15:32] <Fr33Trade> The Team. Well I cant ruin the movie for you, You must see it.
[15:32] <Nomex> sounds like my brother's old high school
[15:32] <Nomex> 25% pass rate on the provincial math exam
[15:33] <Fr33Trade> |bob, I asked you the question if you liked me because seriously I can't
[15:33] <Fr33Trade> Yo dont have to answer and i wouldnt ban you or anything if you told me y
[15:34] <Fr33Trade> I know people on this channel right now who really dont like me much, som
[15:34] <VemoD> Everyone knew that the Bush was going to cost us money...and those people who
[15:34] <VemoD> Nor Oil
[15:34] <VemoD> But thats what they do...which I make fun of
[15:35] <Fr33Trade> VemoD, we never had a rescession caused by Bush, he saved us from what sh
[15:35] <abum> fr33trade i think you are an alright guy most of the time
[15:35] <VemoD> A nation of hypocrites
[15:35] <|bob> Fr33Trade: please, let's not get mushy
[15:35] <|bob> it's just IRC
[15:35] <abum> i disagree with you on most things but you seem to try to be more fair than th
[15:35] <Nomex> Clinton stock market bubble?
[15:35] <VemoD> In 1992 we did
[15:35] <Nomex> that's the first time I've heard it put that way
[15:35] <Fr33Trade> Bush has done a sensational job with the economy.. It is a minority posit
[15:35] <VemoD> By the "other" bush
[15:35] <patch6> any administration that continues to harbor the federal reserve leaves the p
[15:36] <panini> yes it was the clinton stock market bubble... that's an accurate description
[15:36] <Fr33Trade> By all rights by typical recessions especially given how far the market w
[15:36] <panini> followed by the clinton recession
[15:36] <TheTailor> Nomex, you remember, the tech bubble deal
[15:36] <Fr33Trade> Instead it was more like 6 months and then the economy began to grow rapi
[15:36] <VemoD> free: The first bush established what Clinton was left to deal with
[15:36] <Fr33Trade> tax cuts.
[15:36] <TheTailor> Nomex, well, that and the recession
[15:36] <Nomex> panini: it was more the "wow the internet is awsome let's pour money into thi
[15:36] <VemoD> Thats always the way it goes
[15:37] <Fr33Trade> But typically after a reccession Consumer fears remain about 5-6 years ..
[15:37] <Nomex> I doubt the reigning party would've had a major effect on the .bomb
[15:37] <TheTailor> Nomex, heh, yeah, into companies with no assets :-)
[15:37] <panini> Nomex, oh definitely, there was a lot of that
[15:37] <Fr33Trade> But regardless of fault it was the hugest stock market implosion since th
[15:37] <|bob> oh, a former sun microsystems monkey blaming clinton for the .com bubble. that
[15:37] <Fr33Trade> Vemo, no No
[15:37] <Nomex> oh freetrade, why must your evil twin be so evil?
[15:38] <VemoD> free: In my opinion, the recession was caused by the war
[15:38] <VemoD> free: the gulf war
[15:38] <Fr33Trade> Clinton inherited a time in history where the internet and computer Techn
[15:38] <Fr33Trade> Noone could of stopped the great economy of the 90s.
[15:38] <Fr33Trade> But like all technological revolutions they hit a brick wall eventually
[15:38] <VemoD> And yes...it takes a long time for that to settle...we only had 4 years befor
[15:38] <Fr33Trade> people felt they would continue to go up for ever.
[15:38] <Fr33Trade> they didnt obviously
[15:39] <|bob> freetrade: don't forget that the cold war had been resolved, so investors didn
[15:39] <Fr33Trade> We were doubling processor and memory every 30 days.
[15:39] <VemoD> Clinton imo was like the middle bun in the Big Mac
[15:39] <Fr33Trade> today it takes years to double memory
[15:39] <VemoD> What could he do?
[15:39] <Fr33Trade> The work today to increase substantially the progress of the technologica
[15:39] <Nomex> free: actually they're still running about 10-12 months on doubling memory
[15:39] <Nomex> you can currently get 8 gig DIMMs
[15:39] <VemoD> He had no TIME
[15:40] * tornmachi is now known as zerostar
[15:40] <Fr33Trade> though I suspect a 2nd health care revoulution will begin, has began but
[15:40] <e-Hernick> Stephen Colbert was rather mean to President Bush yesterday, wasn't he ?
[15:40] <VemoD> I think people should look at the fact, that if you eliminate the Clinton thi
[15:40] <panini> but there's no question that clinton made the bubble, and the subsequent rec
[15:40] <VemoD> Which shouldn't be allowed to happen
[15:40] <Fr33Trade> Bob, But the technological place was right. And from it came a great revo
[15:40] <|bob> Fr33Trade: intel doesn't market processor speed as much as it did before 2000
[15:40] <Fr33Trade> Same thing happend with the industrial revolution.
[15:40] <VemoD> In 20 years, it will be obvious
[15:41] <[brent]> e-Hernick: do you have an easy link handy with that speech thing? i don't r
[15:41] <suna> very true, intel does not
[15:41] <|bob> Fr33Trade: now it markets what you can do with the processor
[15:41] <Fr33Trade> the Industrial revolution took part at a time when the country was relati
[15:41] <Nomex> they just recently stopped
[15:41] <Fr33Trade> and it created a middle class.
[15:41] <Nomex> like less than 2 years ago
[15:41] <Fr33Trade> Bob, Correct, And It also markets types of processors from cell phone to
[15:41] <VemoD> But...the people wanted it...so I make fun of them when they complain
[15:42] <Nomex> Fr33Trade: intel has been marketing purpose specific CPUs since the 80s
[15:42] <Nomex> though they backed off a lot
[15:42] <Fr33Trade> Intel made a lot of its profits the last year on communication devices, n
[15:42] <e-Hernick> Processor clock speed is fairly meaningless when comparing different proc
[15:42] <e-Hernick> Intel still has a lot of different processor architectures in production.
[15:42] <Fr33Trade> Nomex, you dont get what Bob and I are talking about.
[15:42] <Fr33Trade> during the tech revolution it advertised speed because it made it money
[15:42] <|bob> e-Hernick: nobody here is comparing different architectures
[15:43] <Fr33Trade> speed doesnt make it as much money anymore.
[15:43] <Fr33Trade> Versatility and b to B markets are bigger deals than they every have been
[15:43] <|bob> Fr33Trade: that's not the main reason. Andrew Grove, the engineer, was still C
[15:43] <Fr33Trade> Cell phones, My DVD player for my tv is a computer which I can reboot.
[15:43] <e-Hernick> Fr33Trade: what do you mean by "speed"?
[15:43] <|bob> e-Hernick: hertz
[15:44] <e-Hernick> |bob: I hope not!
[15:44] <e-Hernick> The processor clock rating in megahertz has very little to do with "speed
[15:44] <Fr33Trade> e-hernick, In 1986 or somewhere in there a typical computer ran off 15 mh
[15:44] <|bob> e-Hernick: please stop nerding off
[15:44] <e-Hernick> The number of MHz is not a measure of performance.
[15:44] <e-Hernick> I'm not nerding off. A 1.8GHz processor can easily be much faster than a
[15:45] <Fr33Trade> IN 2000 a typical computer ran at 2 gigabytes cpu processor and 256 mb Mi
[15:45] <|bob> e-Hernick: you have no clue what fr33trade and I are talking about. go away
[15:45] <Fr33Trade> Graphics cards went from little cheap things to cards which have 356 mega
[15:45] <suna> my 1.73ghz pentium M beats the living shit out of my old 2.8ghz celeron
[15:45] <suna> oooooooh
[15:45] <e-Hernick> I will be honest with you |bob, I don't think that you have any idea what
[15:45] <Fr33Trade> I have 3 gigabytes of ram on my computer which 7 years ago would of been
[15:45] <|bob> e-Hernick: that's because you don't have any idea what I'm talking about
[15:46] <e-Hernick> |bob: how good are you with computers, sir?
[15:46] <Nomex> Fr33Trade: moore's law, so?
[15:46] <e-Hernick> |bob: I consider myself somewhat of an expert.
[15:46] <|bob> e-Hernick: uh, I installed quake once
[15:46] <e-Hernick> Nomex: this is not Moore's law in action.
[15:46] <Fr33Trade> And I wills say this computer has never used the 3rd gigbyte of ram, most
[15:46] <Fr33Trade> I have almost a terabyte of storage on my cpu, I will have more then that
[15:46] <|bob> e-Hernick: see, you're nerding off again
[15:47] <|bob> "nerding off" = "showing off, nerdily"
[15:47] <Nomex> Fr33Trade: what's your point?
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> I will have 1.05 terabytes
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> My point is what I have explained.
[15:47] <suna> bob makes a point hernick. You for some reason ahve the desire to talk about t
[15:47] <e-Hernick> |bob: and you're doing nothing. All you've added to this discussion are y
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> We had a tech revolution where as bob said people marketed speed
[15:47] <|bob> e-Hernick: shut up.
[15:47] <suna> bob is quite right, you're nerding off. it's off topic.
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> speed doubles at one point every 30 days more or lesss
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> we may not see computer speed double again for 2 years.
[15:47] <Fr33Trade> or more
[15:48] <[brent]> i read something about that...until nanotech comes in
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> Ita about the tech revolution and its relationship to economics and then
[15:48] <[brent]> that it's all video and physics moving fast now
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> To have a good economy now is an achievement.
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> i have a good economy during an economic revolution is expected.
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> I = to
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> To have a good economy during an economic revolution is expected.
[15:48] <Fr33Trade> Thats my point.
[15:49] <Fr33Trade> Clinton did nothing and we had a great period of wealth started by the re
[15:49] <Nomex> computer performance is doubling just as fast as ever
[15:49] <Fr33Trade> I dont mean to say Clinton did nothing.
[15:49] <Nomex> it depends on how you define speed
[15:49] <Fr33Trade> But the economy was going with or without him.
[15:49] <Fr33Trade> fortunately he didnt get in the way too much
[15:50] <Fr33Trade> Bush on the other hand has had to help create an environment for good bui
[15:50] <Fr33Trade> All a president can do is create a good or a poor environment for busines
[15:50] <Fr33Trade> Bush nore Clinton made money
[15:50] <Fr33Trade> But they both effected the environment in which to make money
[15:51] <e-Hernick> But both of them printed a lot of money.
[15:51] <Fr33Trade> Bush by tax cuts, and other pro buisness policies, and Clinton for lettin
[15:51] <suna> all that really matters is how the average end user defines speed, and it's st
[15:51] <suna> :P
[15:52] <Fr33Trade> Not that it had to be a republican, Warren Buffet would of been ok and he
[15:52] <Fr33Trade> He lacked faith in technology.
[15:52] <Fr33Trade> I think thats a horrendous mistake.
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> Well speaking of harddrives.. I am off to buy a new one. my 2nd 400 gig,
[15:53] <|bob> Fr33Trade: well, technology isn't the only thing that makes money
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> Ok Cya later.
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> |bob, You are talking to a contractor and a Real Estate Broker, trust me
[15:53] <AAAman> Do Buffet lack faith in investing in technology or the use of technology
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> Technology has made my job easier and cost me money
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> Especially the technology which created IRC has cost me money.
[15:53] <Fr33Trade> ;)
[15:54] <|bob> Fr33Trade: the thing with technology is it tends to become overvalued very qui
[15:54] <Nomex> IRC isn't a result of technology, it's a result of devil worship and sacrific
[15:54] <AAAman> Buffet and Gates are good friends
[15:54] <|bob> nomez: shhh!
[15:55] <Fr33Trade> But its also saving lives today in medicine. and the world is now compute
[15:55] <Fr33Trade> Later all.. I have to goe.
[15:55] <e-Hernick> Do you think that President Bush's approval rating will rise in the next
[15:55] <TheTailor> Damn, it's 86 but with 25% humidity it feels 10 degrees cooler
[15:55] <Fr33Trade> Bob, msft had Buffet invested in it early on would of made more money tha
[15:55] <AAAman> e-Hernick --High gas prices are very funny
[15:55] <Fr33Trade> But of course with technology comes much risk
[15:56] <|bob> Fr33Trade: hindsight is amazing
[15:56] <Fr33Trade> But msft and even AOL made 1000s of millionaires.
[15:56] <e-Hernick> AAAman: I'm talking about the Bush speech at the White House Corresponden
[15:56] <Fr33Trade> So did autocad
[15:56] <e-Hernick> So did Home Depot
[15:56] <Fr33Trade> And probably any popular program
[15:56] <AAAman> e-Hernick -- Yes, Bush is trying to appear human, a challenge
[15:56] <|bob> Fr33Trade: how was Buffet to know that Microsoft was going to eat IBM's lunch,
[15:57] <e-Hernick> AAAman: I think Bush must have been somewhat annoyed at the Colbert speec
[15:57] <CryHavoc> you never can tell
[15:58] <Fr33Trade> Bob, I own a medical biotech stock which may revolutionize the world, I b
[15:58] <Fr33Trade> Nothing ventured nothing gained..
[15:58] <AAAman> Newspaper show Hillary leading Rice in a poll
[15:58] <Fr33Trade> But my research was not on the internet or at a brokerage, it was on the
[15:58] <Fr33Trade> Since then I have researched it, its appeared on ABC and its gotten good
[15:58] <Fr33Trade> Later.
[15:59] <Fr33Trade> Bob, Well I own a mix, of high risk stocks and solid blue chip stocks.
[15:59] <Fr33Trade> Buffet didnt need to take the risk he was already a billionair..
[15:59] <AAAman> e-Hernick --Actually, not too funny
[15:59] <Fr33Trade> But he should have taken the risk.
[15:59] <icmp> e-Hernick: How far into the CSPAN coverage of the dinner was colbert?
[15:59] <Fr33Trade> ok, I really need to split, later.
[16:00] <AAAman> Powell is now attacking Bush plan for Iraq
[16:00] <icmp> LOL
[16:00] <icmp> nm found it
[16:00] <icmp> :]
[16:03] <AAAman> x
[16:03] * Lupine predicts that the daily commute into Miami and LA will be the best in decades.
[16:04] <CryHavoc> AAAman newspaper( Liberal loudspeaker) of ourse compiling poll from favore
[16:04] <AAAman> It's time for gay covenant marriage.
[16:04] * CryHavoc but ride may be bumpy driving all the illegals
[16:04] <Lupine> It's time to repeal the abolition of slavery.
[16:04] <CryHavoc> Lupine..if I were in LA, I would be locking and loading about this time
[16:05] <Lupine> Cry: if I were in LA, i would have already done that ;-)
[16:05] <CryHavoc> they are heavily armed there...
[16:05] <Lupine> but yea, wouldn't suprise me
[16:05] <CryHavoc> they stockpiled after that civil trial of the LA poker players
[16:06] <|bob> when is mothers day
[16:06] <CryHavoc> they went to Las Vegas and bought trunkloads of ammo at a gun show
[16:06] <AAAman> Would Extraterrestrials Have Ethics?:
[16:06] <CryHavoc> EthicTerrestrials
[16:07] <CryHavoc> AAAman we are not sure if you have any ethics
[16:07] <Lupine> I think this must be the largest unsupported claim.
[16:07] <Lupine> Campaigners in Cyprus on Sunday said they had created the world's longest ch
[16:07] <Lupine> The activists said they managed to string together some 114,000 bras, beatin
[16:07] <CryHavoc> I will ask TimothyT if his fellow Beta Reticuleans have any
[16:08] <CryHavoc> Lupine....careful....you might be blinded if you watch demonstrations
[16:08] <AAAman> Colbert also made biting cracks about missing WMDs, “photo ops” on aircraft
[16:08] <Lupine> Cry: lol. Well, at least it wasn't a cold day.
[16:08] <AAAman> CryHavoc -- Bush has two views at least on very issue
[16:09] <Lupine> yea well, at least he had better photoops than that gay-ass smock of kerry's
[16:09] <TheTailor> AAAman, *biting* huh
[16:09] <CryHavoc> think tho Lupine...some may have tatas sagging to ankles
[16:10] <CryHavoc> street sweepers
[16:10] <Lupine> Cry: at least they didn't have a 5K run
[16:10] <CryHavoc> then the vibrations would make you deaf :P
[16:10] <AAAman> Observing that Bush sticks to his principles, he said, "When the president d
[16:11] <Lupine> as opposed to flip flopping on a daily basis
[16:11] <AAAman> Fox believes in presenting both sides of the story — the president’s side a
[16:12] <Nomex> in an alarmist fashion
[16:12] <CryHavoc> AAAman also presents both sides....the whiners side and the backbiters sid
[16:12] <TheTailor> AAAman, make a point or get out
[16:12] <e-Hernick> Lupine: exactly. The sarcastic liberal press will insult both sides
[16:12] <Pickle> AAAman makes cracks at the people in power because his side has none and nev
[16:13] <CryHavoc> TT since when would a backbiter ever make a point
[16:13] <CryHavoc> Oickle!!!
[16:13] <CryHavoc> hehehe
[16:13] <Lithium-> AAAman: these people dont appreciate good humor
[16:13] <AAAman> TheTailor-- I am just reviewing the comments made at the National Press din
[16:13] <AAAman> Bush had quickly turned from an amused guest to an obviously offended target
[16:14] <TheTailor> AAAman, you are trying to start shit
[16:14] <TheTailor> [17:59] <AAAman> It's time for gay covenant marriage.
[16:14] <CryHavoc> National Press.....ahh one of those objective sources
[16:14] <TheTailor> haha
[16:14] <sintient> I believe the technical term is PWNED.
[16:14] <TheTailor> AAAman wants to get married
[16:14] <CryHavoc> AAAman wants to be married to Bubba
[16:14] <e-Hernick> Today, in America, the conservatives rule the country, while the liberal
[16:14] <sintient> Anyone remember when imus did the press dinner?
[16:14] <CryHavoc> yes
[16:15] <e-Hernick> If the media were to present a fair and balanced view of our Leadership,
[16:15] <sintient> Moral values like defense contractors giving prostitutes to congressmen fo
[16:15] <Pickle> e-Hernick: But that's okay, because none of the cheap shots these retards ma
[16:15] <sintient> I don't think so.
[16:15] <sintient> There is assured evidence of misdoings and to think that any branch of gov
[16:16] <Lithium-> sintient: or condoning forced abortions in Seipan
[16:16] <suna> e-Hernick: when trying to make that claim, i'd refrain from using the term lib
[16:16] <e-Hernick> sintient: silence, liberal pseudo-mediatic elite-wannabee who podium is I
[16:16] <Timur-> hiii
[16:16] <e-Hernick> s/who/whose/
[16:16] <Timur-> asl
[16:16] <suna> thus, half of the conservatives (who you say rule the country) couldn't possib
[16:16] <CometBaby> hello all :)
[16:16] <TheTailor> <bow>
[16:17] <VemoD> bush isn't a liberal...he's a pot-belly pig
[16:17] <sintient> Still when you say crazy things with no support you shouldn't expect every
[16:17] <e-Hernick> CometBaby: greetings comet age-challenged person!
[16:17] <suna> who is a liberal? everyone or nobody, depending on who you listen to. It's the
[16:17] <VemoD> Not quite big enough, yet not small....just the perfect sized package to poke
[16:17] <CometBaby> heh ..hi e-Hernick
[16:17] <e-Hernick> It could be argued that use of the word 'baby' demeans women and infants
[16:17] <Timur-> hi CB Tailor sint Lith suna et al
[16:17] <VemoD> :)
[16:17] <CometBaby> hey timur :)
[16:18] <sintient> Sup.
[16:18] <VemoD> Hey cometbaby
[16:18] <TheTailor> Timursan
[16:18] <Lithium-> hey Timur-
[16:18] <e-Hernick> hey Timur-, hey Lithium-
[16:18] <Timur-> wasap!!
[16:18] <e-Hernick> wasaaa!
[16:18] <Timur-> hey e-H
[16:18] <suna> i never actually liked the whole 'baby' thing
[16:18] <CryHavoc> hallo Timur
[16:18] * Timur- just got back from the Philadelphia Zoo, was perfect warm sunny yet breezy weather
[16:18] <Lithium-> anyone know a link to the first part of Colbert's speech?
[16:18] <suna> but hell, anything's better than 'boo'
[16:18] <sintient> The real issue I think that instead of respecting people's ability to choo
[16:19] <e-Hernick> hey sintient, hola suna, hi TheTailor, allo e-Hernick!
[16:19] <suna> i mean the statement 'lets have a baby, baby!' is um.......strange.
[16:19] <suna> :)
[16:19] <sintient> When issue by issue discussion is more actually useful.
[16:19] <Nikie> HAHAHA
[16:19] <Nikie> oops
[16:19] <Timur-> CH hey
[16:19] <Pickle> Religion of beating the shit out of little girls: http://translate.google.co
[16:20] <e-Hernick> sintient: do you agree that "illegal aliens" is a racial slur, then?
[16:20] <sintient> Not really.
[16:20] <VemoD> haha
[16:20] <sintient> Alien just meaning not of here.
[16:20] <sintient> ANd illegal meaning a law has been broken.
[16:20] <sintient> Now if you call someoen an illegal alien with no proof and just because of
[16:21] <Timur-> bbl
[16:21] <e-Hernick> I mean, the damn illegal aliens are stealing jobs and hurting the america
[16:21] <Lithium-> Pickle: what religion is that?
[16:21] <e-Hernick> Isn't that a racial slur?
[16:21] <sintient> Now I wouldn't mind to know the truth.
[16:22] <Pickle> Lithium: Well, that imam calls it "Islam".
[16:22] <sintient> How much are goods cheaper because labour is cheaper because of illegal al
[16:22] <CryHavoc> the truth is what you spin it to be :P
[16:22] <sintient> There should be a number for that right?
[16:22] <VemoD> Hollywood has screwed up so many words. I'm thinking of "alien"
[16:22] <Lithium-> Pickle: so are you implying that Islam condones the beating of little girl
[16:22] <sintient> I am really trying to find an equation here.
[16:22] * CryHavoc takes VemoD's description.....so we are looking for fatal parasites
[16:22] <Pickle> Lithium: Nope. I'm saying that Islam condones the beating, raping, and ston
[16:22] <e-Hernick> Hollywood is the newspeak central of america, redefining words like "cour
[16:23] <VemoD> Now, if you said "Illegal extra terestrials"...
[16:23] <sintient> One one side is taxes missed out on and illegally begotten ait, and on the
[16:23] <Lithium-> Pickle: based on one incident? or case to cite a passage in the Koran?
[16:23] <VemoD> I know I spelled that wrong
[16:23] <panini> Lithium is ignorant of islam
[16:23] <Lithium-> care to cite*
[16:23] <CryHavoc> Lithium one of Mohammeds wives was 9
[16:23] <sintient> How is hollywood doing that e-Hernick?
[16:23] <sintient> Examples please.
[16:23] <suna> hindus condon the burning to death of your wife becuase you're tired of this o
[16:23] <panini> as are most liberals
[16:23] <e-Hernick> Pickle: I agree, in the same way that Christianity condones the words of
[16:23] <suna> lets kill them all too
[16:23] <sintient> Courage under fire?
[16:23] <Lithium-> CryHavoc: that happened throughout european history also
[16:23] <CryHavoc> suttee
[16:24] <TheTailor> Pickle, what is this female genital mutilation I hear of, is that Islam t
[16:24] <panini> suna is ignorant of hinduism
[16:24] <Pickle> Lithium: No, not based on one incident. Based on many incidents including t
[16:24] <Lithium-> Pickle: in the bible it says that one should stone an insulent child
[16:24] <sintient> Really how is hollywood changing the definition of those words, what movie
[16:24] <panini> as are most liberals
[16:24] <CryHavoc> Lithium Islam treats women like chattel
[16:24] <TheTailor> Lithium-, really? Where does it say that?
[16:24] <Lithium-> wow, so much biggotry
[16:24] <Pickle> Lithium: Who gives a shit about Christianity?
[16:25] <suna> panini: can you read? I didn't say the religion condones it, i said hindus do.
[16:25] <Pickle> Lithium: The topic at hand is Islam.
[16:25] <panini> suna no, they don't. It's incorrect
[16:25] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: no, FGM isn't a strictly or even mostly muslim tradition. It i
[16:25] <sintient> Wich religion should really be taken word for word from it's holy books?
[16:25] <e-Hernick> sintient: none
[16:25] <e-Hernick> All religion is evil.
[16:25] <suna> damn panini. tellt hat to all those women who get burned to death
[16:25] <suna> fucking shithead
[16:25] <TheTailor> Lithium-, you might want to remember that Christians SO NOT stone them th
[16:26] <TheTailor> DO NOT that is
[16:26] <suna> next you'll tell me the caste system doesn't exist
[16:26] <e-Hernick> There are violent and evil christians
[16:26] <panini> what you MAY be referring to is the ancient practice of "sati", which is a p
[16:26] <Pickle> Lithium: Why is it that when the barbarisms being committed as we speak in t
[16:26] <TheTailor> That cast system is the pits
[16:26] <sintient> Christains are disobeying the bible?
[16:26] <TheTailor> caste
[16:26] <e-Hernick> sintient: yes
[16:26] <sintient> WEll good.
[16:26] <Lithium-> TheTailor:
[16:26] <Lithium-> 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the com
[16:26] <Lithium-> 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They ar
[16:27] <VemoD> sint: Not the definition...but the thing that comes to mind first when you he
[16:27] <sintient> Is that like voodoo curse or using a curse word?
[16:27] <e-Hernick> Caste systems like that of India are quite evil, too- however, most Caste
[16:27] <Lithium-> Pickle: there are barbarism being commited in the name of christianity als
[16:27] * CryHavoc lays some Shaka-Juju on Lithium
[16:27] <sintient> Sure.
[16:27] <Pickle> Lithium: So what? We're talking about Islam.
[16:27] <sintient> Monotheisms are the problem.
[16:27] <TheTailor> Lithium-, facinating, but Christians don't act on that, Muslims however d
[16:27] <e-Hernick> It is also useful to compare Caste-based societies with Class-based socie
[16:27] <sintient> Anymore?
[16:27] <VemoD> sint: Its common sense...monkey see monkey do
[16:27] <Lithium-> Pickle: im saying that stupid violence is in ALL major religions
[16:27] <CryHavoc> Christians used to act like that
[16:27] <sintient> Did christains ever obey their holy book?
[16:28] <suna> panini: no, I was refering to the abundant articles and documentaries of peopl
[16:28] <CryHavoc> but the sort of left it behind
[16:28] <Lithium-> and there are always idiots who commit it
[16:28] <Lithium-> in all religions
[16:28] <sintient> So muslims will learn to take a more inpretive stance.
[16:28] <e-Hernick> suna: Americans kill hundreds of thousands of unborn babies on a yearly b
[16:28] <panini> suna those are mostly dowry disputes
[16:28] <Pickle> Lithium: And I'm asking why it is that when we talk about the barbarism of t
[16:28] <sintient> They will start to respect human rights more than religious orders.
[16:28] <suna> hernick: not based on sex;)
[16:28] <suna> i'm not anti-abortion btw
[16:28] <suna> not at all
[16:28] <e-Hernick> suna: it changes everything! Hooray for abortion in America!
[16:28] <suna> err
[16:28] <suna> i mean
[16:28] <suna> i'm pro choice
[16:28] <suna> there we go
[16:29] <suna> :P
[16:29] <sintient> What about death penalty?
[16:29] <CryHavoc> sintient,....they have yet to secularize
[16:29] <VemoD> sint: People spend more time listening to "realities" in their TV than they s
[16:29] <Lithium-> Pickle: because you're insinuating that islam is violent while christianit
[16:29] <Katey> Well, regardless which faith predominates the culture, when the government is
[16:29] <sintient> I practice the art form of conversation daily.
[16:29] <suna> I have no strong position on the death penalthy other than this one: if you're
[16:29] <TheTailor> Lithium-, no he didn't.
[16:29] <VemoD> sint: It gets in your head
[16:29] <suna> waiting 25 years to kill someone on death row is the WORST solution I can thin
[16:29] <suna> and taht's waht's happening
[16:29] <TheTailor> Lithium-, he didn't mention Christianity, YOU did.
[16:29] <Pickle> Lithium: What did I EVER say about Christianity?
[16:29] <suna> the WORST possible way to resolve this issue
[16:29] <TheTailor> A red herring
[16:29] <suna> is wha'ts reality
[16:29] <suna> it makes me sick
[16:30] <e-Hernick> suna, do you agree that by killing more unborn babies, we will reduce cri
[16:30] <panini> suna we'd love to... but you liberals block us at every step, with appeal af
[16:30] <suna> hernick: uh? I really don't care
[16:30] <Lithium-> TheTailor/Pickle: that IS the only other dominant religion, if you bash on
[16:30] <Pickle> Lithium: I brought up an example of the real-world barbarities being committ
[16:30] <suna> you're doing the same thing you did to bob earlier with the intel discussion h
[16:30] <suna> you're pretending I'm arguing something i'm not
[16:30] <e-Hernick> suna: you are pro-choice, aren't you?
[16:30] <rwx> Abusive Domain or User
[16:30] <suna> you're fighting the air
[16:30] <panini> so it's pretty hypocritical to complain about the time it takes to execute s
[16:30] <suna> shut up with it
[16:30] <Lithium-> Pickle: yes, to show that it happens in the name of all religions, and isl
[16:31] <JohnXXIV> hey hey
[16:31] <TheTailor> Lithium-, he wasn't talking about the other, and you forgot the Jews.
[16:31] <JohnXXIV> just got back from a weekend up north
[16:31] <TheTailor> naurally
[16:31] <suna> just because you wish this debate was going on doesn't mean it is hernick, sta
[16:31] <JohnXXIV> beautiful
[16:31] <sintient> What are we talking about?
[16:31] <Lithium-> TheTailor: judaism is a fairly minor religion
[16:31] <Lithium-> world wide
[16:32] <sintient> What about the children's crusade?
[16:32] <panini> then how come Jews control the whole world?
[16:32] <VemoD> john: Are your lungs ready for the poison again? :)
[16:32] <sintient> What about the English revolution?
[16:32] <suna> panini: how does it make you feel, with your illogical obsession with the term
[16:32] <Lithium-> panini: they're smart like that
[16:32] <JohnXXIV> yeah really VemoD. Toronto is such a Trashtown.
[16:32] <sintient> Two christians going to war to attain power and influence for their idealo
[16:32] <Pickle> Lithium: I said nothing either overt or implied about the barbarism of Chris
[16:32] <panini> suna it makes me feel good... I agree with them :)
[16:33] <JohnXXIV> Toronto does have good radio though
[16:33] <Kuggle> Thats cuz of the CN tower though
[16:33] <AAAman> Pickle -- No personal atttacks
[16:33] <e-Hernick> sintient: many things. Is abortion acceptable, and does selecting based o
[16:33] <Pickle> No AAAman.
[16:33] <panini> suna but how about responding to my previous point, about your hypocrisy reg
[16:33] <Lithium-> Pickle: again, you're misrepresenting what i said, I compared islam to chr
[16:33] <e-Hernick> Does that make judaism a major world religion, simply because of its impo
[16:33] <JohnXXIV> as an old fart I like to listen to www.jazz.fm
[16:33] <suna> panini: you didn't make a point about me being hypcocritical about the death p
[16:33] <suna> are you retarded?
[16:34] <suna> you said something about your mythical libearls
[16:34] <panini> yes i did
[16:34] <VemoD> john: Never been there...I'm turned on to the New Orleans jazz fest right now
[16:34] <Pickle> Lithium: I'm misrepresenting what YOU said? LOL
[16:34] <panini> you want me to repost it?
[16:34] <Pickle> You asshole.
[16:34] <JohnXXIV> Vemo where are ya?
[16:34] <suna> i've never done anything in my entire life that was anti-capital punishment
[16:34] <VemoD> Bud' turned me onto it
[16:34] <panini> suna you mean you weren't out there protesting for Tookie Williams?
[16:34] <suna> no, I wanted that sick shithead dead
[16:34] <suna> about 25 years ago
[16:34] <suna> when he was convicted
[16:34] <panini> suna you mean you've never worn a "Free Mumia" tshirt?
[16:35] <Pickle> Lithium should count the number of Palestinian terrorist khafiyehs being wor
[16:35] <VemoD> http://music.msn.com/music/neworleansjazz
[16:35] <JohnXXIV> Are there Execute Mumia T-shirts?
[16:35] <Pickle> Then maybe he'll know why I say his side fellow-travels with terrorists.
[16:35] <panini> JohnXXIV, yup except theyre "Fry Mumia!" :)
[16:35] <JohnXXIV> hahahahaha
[16:35] <VemoD> john: I'm in Wisconsin
[16:35] <e-Hernick> Tookie Williams brought his death upon himself. He had a chance to redeem
[16:35] <sintient> Soldiers are trained to kill.
[16:35] <TheTailor> So is Islam doing the female genital mutilation thing?
[16:35] <JohnXXIV> Wisocnsin? I have had a few women from there. Nice.
[16:36] <sintient> I mean if people were really christain they wouldn't fight wars.
[16:36] <sintient> They would let god judge people for their actions.
[16:36] <suna> panini: you use 'liberal' like 6 year olds use 'cooties'. Can't you just descr
[16:36] <VemoD> I don't care much for this band...it sounds like the Dave Mathews band
[16:36] <VemoD> Or something...but there has been some great stuff
[16:36] <JohnXXIV> wisconsin girls have good teeth. Its all that milk and cheese
[16:36] <suna> lol john
[16:36] <VemoD> john: haha
[16:36] <sintient> Isn't avoiding death avoiding judgement and god accepting you into heaven?
[16:37] <suna> only if you believe in fairy tales
[16:37] <suna> :)
[16:37] <VemoD> john: I do like my cheese
[16:37] <Nomex> no, avoiding death means avoiding disappearing into the black abyss of nothin
[16:37] <Kuggle> for da shortiz
[16:37] <Nomex> I've got a question for everyone...
[16:37] <JohnXXIV> so whats the popular best brand of cheese?
[16:37] <e-Hernick> TheTailor: "female genital cutting is today mainly practiced in African c
[16:37] <Nomex> How many people here are paying less than 1/4 of their income towards rent/mo
[16:37] <e-Hernick> source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting
[16:37] <sintient> Right but to say christains are great and they don't even follow thier rel
[16:37] <Nomex> not including utils
[16:37] <VemoD> john: I dunno...though, soda is starting to ruin our young ladies' teeth
[16:38] <suna> avoiding death means avoiding a whole lot of pain (potentially) and the unkonw
[16:38] <panini> JohnXXIV, the best cheeses are italian
[16:38] <Pickle> Yeah. FGM is a cultural issue endemic to Africa.
[16:38] <e-Hernick> "Female genital cutting is primarily a social practice, not a religious o
[16:38] <JohnXXIV> nomex, how can anything 'go' to nowhere or into 'nothingness' as 'nowhere'
[16:38] <sintient> What is the point of female genital scarring/
[16:38] <panini> nothingness exists
[16:38] <sintient> To lessen sexual desire?
[16:38] <panini> duh
[16:38] <suna> sintient: yes, basically
[16:38] <suna> to control women
[16:38] <e-Hernick> "A number of reasons are put forward for the practice of FGC. These inclu
[16:38] <VemoD> john: I buy wuyewega...its a town about 50 miles from me
[16:38] <JohnXXIV> where does nothingness exist?
[16:38] <sintient> Sad they can't just control their kids.
[16:38] <Nomex> JohnXXIV: consciousness becomes nothingness when you die
[16:38] <suna> to stop your women from fucking the whole town...while you go around and fuck
[16:39] <suna> it's also a medical nightmare later on in life
[16:39] <JohnXXIV> I love raw parmisan cheese from italy
[16:39] <suna> I watched a couple videos on it in one of my classes this semester
[16:39] <suna> the doctor they had
[16:39] <panini> buffalo mozzarella is the world's best cheese
[16:39] <VemoD> Otherwise...same stuff...sargento, kraft...cyrstal farms
[16:39] <suna> i'm not sure if he really just wanted to help these poor girls
[16:39] <JohnXXIV> Nomex how can consciousness go to 'nowhere', as by definition 'nowhere' do
[16:39] <suna> or if he really had a fetish for mutilated vagina
[16:39] <suna> this guy was odd
[16:39] <sintient> It is wrong.
[16:39] <JohnXXIV> mozarella is bland.
[16:39] <sintient> it is against human rights.
[16:39] <Nomex> because consciousness has no matter to it
[16:40] <JohnXXIV> does consciousness exist?
[16:40] <suna> all circumcision, male or famale, is pretty much pointless as far as I know.
[16:40] <sintient> Japan and the gieshas?
[16:40] <VemoD> There's kakauna cheese which is about 10 minutes away...but its expensive
[16:40] <Nomex> when you remove the electric signals, the result is you get nothing
[16:40] <sintient> With their foot wrapping.
[16:40] <Nomex> 0
[16:40] <e-Hernick> "Not all countries ban all types of procedure. For instance Type I proced
[16:40] <JohnXXIV> electricity has no matter, yet it exists
[16:40] <VemoD> kaukauna
[16:40] <e-Hernick> Male Genital Mutilation is awful too
[16:40] <suna> oh great
[16:40] <suna> :)
[16:40] <panini> all circumcision is stupid, but it's not pointless
[16:40] <e-Hernick> And I hear that most male americans are genitally mutilated
[16:40] <e-Hernick> I, for one, am a whole man.
[16:41] <Nomex> JohnXXIV: why are you trying to have a debate over terminology
[16:41] <sintient> I just read that circumision decreases the spread of aids.
[16:41] <Pickle> Consciousness has no physical existence, no. It's a term for a state of exi
[16:41] <Pickle> Like "hot" or "cold".
[16:41] <sintient> circumcision
[16:41] <panini> male circumcision is done by ppl who think god told them to, and female circ
[16:41] <JohnXXIV> how can something be a state of existence and then have no existence?
[16:41] <suna> temperature is the average kenetic energy of the particles in a system, pwnage
[16:41] <sintient> But what about the house reform bill?
[16:41] <JohnXXIV> bzzt...
[16:41] <sintient> How can we get that thing passed?
[16:41] <Pickle> JohnXXIV: The same way something that cools off is no longer hot.
[16:41] <sintient> God told them to reduce sluttiness maybe?
[16:42] <Pickle> It's a descriptive term that ceases to be valid when the state that it descr
[16:42] <patch6> consciousness does have a physical presence, as physical as conventional sci
[16:42] <JohnXXIV> if conscousness exists, it must exist somewhere. Ergo, it cannot go to now
[16:42] <VemoD> john: cheddar is the most popular kind
[16:42] <e-Hernick> consciousness is an artefact of brain operations
[16:42] <JohnXXIV> I like sharp old white cheddar. Do they make that in WI?
[16:42] <suna> it's always interesting to see people go off on their strange philosopical ide
[16:42] <Pickle> JohnXXIV: Correct. Unfortunately, your premise is wrong--consciousness does
[16:42] <VemoD> yeah
[16:42] <Pickle> It's a descriptive.
[16:43] <VemoD> Sharp white cheddar...it doesn't say "old"
[16:43] <e-Hernick> consciousness is software.
[16:43] <VemoD> "aged"
[16:43] <suna> conciousness is an idea that has not been applied to physical objects (as far
[16:43] <suna> we just don't understand it
[16:43] <e-Hernick> we humans are each long-running computers running long-lived programs in
[16:43] <JohnXXIV> you cannot have an experiment without an observer.
[16:43] <panini> um
[16:43] <VemoD> same thing I guess :)
[16:43] <Nomex> sure you can
[16:43] <suna> not that I know much about the brain
[16:43] <suna> not my field
[16:43] <panini> suna, the brain is not a "physical object"?
[16:43] <sintient> The universe is a giant computer.
[16:43] <Nomex> you just won't see what happens
[16:43] <CometBaby> I think JohnXXIV is a bot
[16:44] <e-Hernick> there is no soul.
[16:44] <Pickle> Comet: Nope
[16:44] <JohnXXIV> nope. I am real
[16:44] <sintient> The bain in a physical organ.
[16:44] <Pickle> JohnXXIV is an old regular.
[16:44] <sintient> brain
[16:44] <JohnXXIV> you know me
[16:44] <Pickle> I can't remember his old nicks.
[16:44] <CometBaby> okay I see it now
[16:44] <JohnXXIV> :D
[16:44] <e-Hernick> the brain is a physical computer that uses physical principles to drive t
[16:44] <praxis9> Hernick: Uh huh.
[16:44] <e-Hernick> my brain commands me to tell you this: you must obey the brain, for that
[16:44] <Pickle> But I do remember him being a musician with poor taste in Jazz clubs.
[16:44] <praxis9> Hernick: Is consciousness something "physical?"
[16:44] <Pickle> :P
[16:45] <panini> e-Hernick, such is the will of Landrew
[16:45] <e-Hernick> praxis9: it's as physical as software is
[16:45] <suna> In my opinion, yes
[16:45] <JohnXXIV> I have been known to play Jazz guitar.
[16:45] <suna> good answer hernick
[16:45] <JohnXXIV> and yes I like scuzzy places like the Rex. So sue me :D
[16:45] <praxis9> Hernick: You didn't answer my question.
[16:45] <suna> if it's a physical as software is, the answer is yes
[16:45] <e-Hernick> praxis9: what is your question?
[16:45] <suna> software is nothing but playing with magnetic moments
[16:45] <suna> it's very phsyical
[16:45] <Pickle> John: Eh? You told me the Rex sucks. That's what inspired that comment!
[16:45] <CometBaby> Being hibachi cynic hachiban
[16:45] <e-Hernick> praxis9: I thought I had answered it.
[16:45] <praxis9> Hernick: Is consciousness something physical?
[16:45] <cylob> there aren't any brain cells in our brains different from a monkey's....just
[16:45] <praxis9> It's a yes or no question. It's rather simple.
[16:46] <panini> suna what does magnetism have to do with it?
[16:46] <e-Hernick> praxis9: Yes, it is - consciousness is something physical in the same sen
[16:46] <VemoD> john: But the main thing really...is fresh cheese curds...whine/cheese spread
[16:46] <sintient> An idea could be a certain pattern of electrons and nuerons in the brain.
[16:46] <suna> panini: binary, the 0's and 1'
[16:46] <e-Hernick> And neurotransmitters.
[16:46] <panini> do you know how transistors and digital circuits work?
[16:46] <suna> refer to magnetic moments
[16:46] <panini> those are movements of electric charges
[16:46] <praxis9> Hernick: So... you can measure, quantify, and observe consciousness?
[16:46] <sintient> hard drives use magnets to save information.
[16:47] <patch6> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/99legacy/10-15-1999.html - a phy
[16:47] <patch6> literal "mind-reading"
[16:47] <praxis9> Hernick: Where?
[16:47] <suna> panini: no, engineering crap bores me most of the time, but I remember readint
[16:47] <suna> and that's it
[16:47] <panini> hard drives are magnetic, sure... but they are not required components for a
[16:47] <suna> beyond that is kinda boring to me
[16:47] <e-Hernick> praxis9: Not necessarily, because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle
[16:47] <suna> panini: we were talking about software. In present technology, software requir
[16:47] <suna> I dont' know of any exceptions to that
[16:48] <Nomex> suna: flash memory
[16:48] <suna> ah, flash doesn't use magnetic moments?
[16:48] <panini> you don't know of any software that works w/o a hard drive?
[16:48] <patch6> hopefully that will at least get people to question the integrity of "collec
[16:48] <Nomex> no
[16:48] <praxis9> The comparison to software isn't a good one, anyway. We don't have software
[16:48] <e-Hernick> praxis9: however, future technology might allow it to a certain extent, t
[16:48] <e-Hernick> praxis9: we do have software of such complexity that no man can understan
[16:49] <suna> i suppose cds don't either, anyway, it doesn't matter. Software is physical no
[16:49] <panini> e-Hernick, a super-AI could understand it though
[16:49] <suna> that was the point
[16:49] <panini> cds are optical, not magnetic
[16:49] <e-Hernick> panini: possibly
[16:49] <Nomex> but the software isn't physical, just the medium that stores it
[16:49] <praxis9> Hernick: The fact that something cannot be understood hardly equates to it
[16:49] <Nomex> a magnetic charge has no mass
[16:49] <VemoD> haha
[16:49] <e-Hernick> praxis9: I agree.
[16:49] <Nomex> pits in a CD don't have mass
[16:49] <Kuggle> is female castration called anything in particular?
[16:49] <Nomex> well, actually I guess they do
[16:50] <suna> lol
[16:50] <Nomex> anti mass
[16:50] <patch6> electricity may not have a mass, but it can be detected, which, scientifical
[16:50] <Katey> Kuggle, hysterectomy?
[16:50] <VemoD> "stop yeah, whats that sound? Everybody look whats going down"
[16:50] <e-Hernick> Kuggle, it is called ovariectomy
[16:50] <suna> now you're just getting into a useless debate about what the definition of phy
[16:50] <suna> light has no mass
[16:50] <suna> guess it doesn't exist in a physical sense
[16:50] <suna> eh?
[16:50] <Nomex> and here's where it gets muddled
[16:50] <panini> Kuggle, if you castrate a female, you just made a HUGE mistake
[16:50] <VemoD> haha...I'm digging the jazz fest
[16:50] <Nomex> because is that electricity the software?
[16:50] <suna> i mean shit
[16:50] <suna> if you're near a nuclear explosion
[16:51] <panini> light has mass, what are you talkign about?
[16:51] <suna> you are most likely going to be killed by photons
[16:51] <suna> light
[16:51] <suna> massless
[16:51] <Katey> I'm assuming that by "castration" he means removal of the gonads
[16:51] <suna> bet you won't be screaming about it not existing then
[16:51] <panini> how do you think light sails work?
[16:51] <Nomex> light has mass in some models
[16:51]