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Session Start: Sun Jan 13 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #html
[00:36] * Dorx is now known as Korx
[02:07] * digitok is now known as diabolic
[04:03] <seshek> http://en.thisbitch.info/?id=4316827447733683a19dcef939f83b98
[08:49] <subtleclu> hey guys!
[08:49] <subtleclu> when i write this:
[08:49] <subtleclu> <a>1</a>
[08:49] <subtleclu> <a>2</a>
[08:50] <subtleclu> I have a space between the 1 and the 2.
[08:50] <subtleclu> is there any way to avoid this?
[08:50] <subtleclu> when I dont want spaces between tags, do i have to write my whole code in
[09:29] <TBF> That is one stable connection
[09:30] <TBF> subtleclu, the new line is causing it.
[09:30] <subtleclu> yes i know.
[09:31] <TBF> Easier to remove those than it is to change document flow of those HTML element
[09:33] <subtleclu> i use this now:
[09:33] <subtleclu> a { diplay: block; float: left; }
[09:33] * seshek is now known as codename
[09:34] <subtleclu> can i set the height of a frame in em?
[09:34] <codename> subtleclu, alrighty then :)
[09:35] <larss> whas feild on the div i try to make a Rounded corners in CSS
[09:35] <larss> http://www.haldensi.no/test2/epsen/dvi/indiv.php
[10:05] <_pib> hi
[10:05] <_pib> i am using a javscript funtion to play flv movie
[10:05] <_pib> but it doesn't change when i click on another link
[10:05] <_pib> it doesn't work in firefox (only works in ie)
[10:05] <_pib> i really don't know how to solve this problem
[10:06] <_pib> var so = new SWFObject('mediaplayer.swf','player','400','300','7','#336699');
[10:06] <_pib> so.addVariable("file",video_name);
[10:08] <codename> can someone suggest me on a good html/js/css ide ?
[10:08] <Arrakis> i personallylike vs.net
[10:09] <codename> bah its too much
[10:09] <Arrakis> not sure what visual web developer express (free) 2008 offers
[10:09] <Arrakis> in the way
[10:09] <namo_> hi
[10:09] <Arrakis> hi
[10:10] <namo_> if I have 3 rows in a table, how do I put an image on the left that spans the
[10:10] <namo_> here is the page I'm editing; https://www.armenianmatch.com/cgi-bin/purchase/
[10:10] <namo_> I'd like to put an image on the left of the pricing
[10:10] <Arrakis> spans 3 rows
[10:10] <Arrakis> ummmm
[10:11] <Arrakis> if its a specific table then you might be be able to
[10:11] <Arrakis> but be aware that IE6 is the only thing that supports the stretching/spanni
[10:11] <namo_> ohhh
[10:11] <Arrakis> and that is almost a decade old
[10:11] <namo_> so how do people do it
[10:11] <Arrakis> people generally dont span
[10:11] <Arrakis> they use fixed-sized gradients
[10:11] <Arrakis> etc
[10:11] <namo_> ah I see
[10:13] <codename> Arrakis - maybe ill try out Visual Web Developer
[10:13] <Arrakis> ok
[10:13] <Arrakis> make sure you get the 2008 version
[10:35] <kilomang> ugh
[10:35] <kilomang> i hate visual web developer
[10:36] <kilomang> nothing better than firefox+firebug/web dev toolbar
[10:38] <codename> kilomang ?
[10:38] <codename> what is web dev toolbar
[10:39] <codename> nvm googled it
[10:45] <kilomang> web dev toolbar > firebug IMO
[10:53] <codename> firebug is cool
[10:57] <freddy> hello
[10:57] <freddy> can anyone help me ?
[10:57] <Arrakis> helo hello
[10:57] <Arrakis> i dont know hwy you say hello i say good bye
[10:57] <Arrakis> if you have a question just ask it
[10:57] <freddy> lol
[10:58] <Arrakis> umm
[10:58] <freddy> i'd rather not do it in channel
[10:58] <freddy> if someone
[10:58] <Arrakis> [12:36] <kilomang> i hate visual web developer
[10:58] <Arrakis> [12:36] <kilomang> nothing better than firefox+firebug/web dev toolba
[10:58] <freddy> knows enought about layers
[10:58] <freddy> enough*
[10:58] <freddy> pm me
[10:58] <freddy> plz
[10:58] <Arrakis> kilomang, you do realize that firebug and web dev tool bar and Visual Web D
[10:58] <Arrakis> are 2 fucking different things
[10:58] <Arrakis> and dont do anything alike
[10:58] <kilomang> heh
[10:58] <Arrakis> freddy generallypeople help out in the main cha
[10:58] <Arrakis> the reason being that
[10:58] <kilomang> if its for just desining/coding
[10:59] <kilomang> i dont see how different it is
[10:59] <Arrakis> believe it or not most of us don't stay
[10:59] <Arrakis> okay
[10:59] <freddy> i'm new to layers
[10:59] <Arrakis> one is an IDE intellisense
[10:59] <Arrakis> the other is an inspector tool
[10:59] <Arrakis> and a very very bad js debugger
[10:59] <freddy> i have seen that i can put a layer and put stuff in it and put it over anoth
[10:59] <freddy> by the z-order
[10:59] <freddy> right ?
[10:59] <Arrakis> layers and z-order are 1999
[10:59] <Arrakis> nobody does that anymore
[10:59] <freddy> ummm
[10:59] <freddy> well the thing is
[10:59] <freddy> i have a menu
[10:59] <freddy> which i want to put over a picture
[10:59] <freddy> now the thing is
[11:00] <codename> Arrakis - what is very very bad js debugger? you talk about Firebug ?
[11:00] <freddy> if i put it in a layer
[11:00] <freddy> and over the pic
[11:00] <Arrakis> yes
[11:00] <freddy> it works fine but
[11:00] <Arrakis> firebug is a very very bad js debugger
[11:00] <freddy> the problem is that it's position
[11:00] <freddy> is fixed
[11:00] <Arrakis> (if you can even get it to work)
[11:00] <codename> Arrakis - so what is a good one?
[11:00] <freddy> so if i resize browser the layer doesn't move
[11:00] <Arrakis> personally i find vs.net's js debugger works fine
[11:00] <Arrakis> breakpoints actually are hit every time
[11:00] <Arrakis> and you step through code logically
[11:00] <Arrakis> with firebug the few times i got it to actually break on a breakpoint
[11:01] <Arrakis> it would go through something like this
[11:01] <Arrakis> if i>10 { .... }
[11:01] <Arrakis> youwould check and it would be 20
[11:01] <Arrakis> and it would step into the ....
[11:01] <Arrakis> as if i was 10
[11:01] <codename> im using visual web development only as Editor
[11:01] <Arrakis> yes
[11:01] <Arrakis> its an awesome editor
[11:01] <Arrakis> it just has the bonus imho of also doubling as an awesome js debugger
[11:01] <Arrakis> and firebug handles the css inspection
[11:01] <freddy> arrakis any help ?
[11:02] <Arrakis> and occassional network / ajax
[11:02] <Arrakis> freddy you need to put whatever you're talkingabout online
[11:02] <freddy> i did
[11:02] <Arrakis> give the link to the channel then
[11:02] <freddy> but i wanted to pm so i don't post links in channel
[11:02] <freddy> http://aprifix.com/test/index2.htm
[11:02] <freddy> basically
[11:02] <freddy> i want to put a menu
[11:02] <freddy> over the logo on top right
[11:03] <freddy> so i want it to stay in same position over the logo
[11:03] <freddy> if i put a layer in absolute position it won't stay on top
[11:03] <freddy> and if i put it relative it can't go on top
[11:03] <Arrakis> ummm
[11:03] <freddy> is there a way
[11:03] <Arrakis> i would suggest not putting the menu over the logo
[11:03] <freddy> ummm
[11:03] <freddy> no wait
[11:04] <freddy> not the menu which on the left
[11:04] <freddy> i've got a menu
[11:04] <freddy> image based
[11:04] <freddy> not text based
[11:04] <freddy> the image is the same as the logo
[11:04] <freddy> so if i put it over
[11:04] <freddy> it will look like
[11:04] <freddy> when mouseover the logo a menu drops
[11:04] <Arrakis> you can try floating the menu right
[11:04] <freddy> yea i tried that
[11:04] <freddy> but
[11:04] <freddy> if i float it
[11:04] <Arrakis> but it sounds like you're making unnecesary trouble for yourself
[11:04] <freddy> when i resize the browser
[11:04] <freddy> it won't move with the logo
[11:04] <Arrakis> umm
[11:04] <Arrakis> if its floated right
[11:04] <freddy> can i float it and have it inside the cell
[11:04] <Arrakis> it moves with the container
[11:04] <freddy> so it moves wit hthe cell
[11:05] <Arrakis> put the actual menu on there
[11:05] <Arrakis> so people can play around with it
[11:05] <Arrakis> and molest it
[11:05] <Arrakis> and have sex with it
[11:05] <freddy> molest ?
[11:05] <freddy> lol
[11:05] <freddy> what i'm trying to do is
[11:05] <freddy> menu dropping from logo
[11:05] <freddy> without usin flash
[11:05] <Arrakis> put the menu there
[11:05] <Arrakis> and tell us when its up
[11:05] <freddy> ok wait
[11:05] <freddy> i'll put it in a page aside
[11:05] <freddy> 5 secs
[11:05] <freddy> gime 1 min
[11:07] <freddy> http://aprifix.com/test/menutest/menutest.htm
[11:07] <freddy> that's it
[11:07] <freddy> if i put it over the logo it will look like the menu comes down from the log
[11:08] <freddy> get the idea ?
[11:09] <Arrakis> you do realize
[11:09] <Arrakis> that nobody will understand or realize there is a meny there
[11:09] <Arrakis> *menu
[11:09] <Arrakis> people are not psychic
[11:09] <freddy> hmmm
[11:09] <freddy> what do u suggest
[11:09] <Arrakis> i suggest that if that meny is important
[11:09] <Arrakis> then put it with the other menu
[11:09] <Arrakis> in plain sight
[11:10] <freddy> oki got that
[11:10] <freddy> but
[11:10] <freddy> you don't think
[11:10] <Arrakis> can be either a sub menu of something
[11:10] <freddy> there's a way to do my way
[11:10] <freddy> ?
[11:10] <Arrakis> i have no idea what you're trying to describe or do
[11:10] <Arrakis> all i know is that nobody in their right mind
[11:10] <Arrakis> will figure out there is a menu there
[11:15] <freddy> oh oki
[11:15] <freddy> nevermind then
[11:15] <freddy> thanks anyway
[11:34] * codename is now known as slim
[11:51] * SmilybOrg is now known as SmilyOrg
[12:03] <Arrakis> ..0.
[13:09] <Iczer-1> anyone around who can help me with a simple html problem?
[13:26] <v9> that is?
[13:26] <v9> iczer-1; did you ever used to me involved in the ansi scene?
[13:26] <v9> familiar name
[13:27] <stevemmc> <-- mimic ;)
[13:32] * Dorx is now known as Korx
[13:33] <v9> <-- cia/fire/ice back in the day
[13:34] <stevemmc> whats your ice name?
[13:34] <v9> 'vade79' was in the late 90's for ice
[13:34] <Iczer-1> v9 yes!
[13:35] <Iczer-1> who are you?
[13:35] <v9> ansi guy
[13:35] <Iczer-1> v9 from what group?
[13:36] <stevemmc> ... heh
[13:36] <Iczer-1> oh god
[13:36] <Iczer-1> my bad
[13:36] <Iczer-1> lol
[13:36] <Iczer-1> ya man im sorry i dont recall your name.
[13:36] <Iczer-1> I apologize
[13:36] <Iczer-1> was so long ago
[13:36] <jeeter522> Iczer, you need to validate your code before anyone will help you
[13:36] <v9> yup, i dont really remember what you did
[13:36] <v9> just the name heh
[13:36] <Iczer-1> oh i did "vga" pieces
[13:36] <Iczer-1> was a long time ago
[13:37] <v9> http://fakehalo.us/v9-rmem.jpg http://fakehalo.us/v9-ice2.jpg http://fakehalo.us
[13:37] <v9> ^ some stuff
[13:37] <v9> iczer; acid i think yeah?
[13:37] <Iczer-1> ahhh
[13:37] <Iczer-1> ya
[13:38] <Iczer-1> acid for a bit
[13:38] <stevemmc> figures ;)
[13:38] <Iczer-1> cool stuff you did
[13:38] <Iczer-1> looks familiar
[13:38] <v9> you hear about acidjazz's little ansi art show? heh
[13:39] <Iczer-1> no lol
[13:39] <Iczer-1> what was it?
[13:39] <Iczer-1> I know radman does shit with like.... demo scene or something
[13:40] <stevemmc> theres an ansi galrery in san fran
[13:40] <stevemmc> either this weekend or next?
[13:40] <stevemmc> v9:
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/108/0/a/MIMIC84_MKK_LEST_ANS_by_wik
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/108/a/4/MIMIC84_US_DIKOM_ANS_by_wik
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/330/b/1/mimic83_mkk_0_o_ans_by_wikma
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs7/i/2005/228/6/4/PEN15_06_MKK_ISLE_ASC_by_wik
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/111/3/d/tnt_010_mkk_rmix_ans_by_wikm
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs6/i/2005/079/0/7/MIMIC81_US_SOAP_ANS_by_wikma
[13:40] <stevemmc> http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs4/i/2004/235/3/f/SARS001_us_funk_ans.png
[13:41] <Iczer-1> steve you were in the ansi scene?
[13:41] <stevemmc> before i realized i sucked at shading and started doing ascii, ya ;p
[13:42] <Iczer-1> ya i tried ansi and just... was so tedious...
[13:42] <Iczer-1> steve lemme see a site you did if thats cool... if you dont mind
[13:42] <stevemmc> no
[13:42] <jeeter522> haha
[13:43] <Iczer-1> how sweet
[13:43] <stevemmc> yeah, i rock
[13:46] <v9> steve; you ever know an ascii guy named zerostar?
[13:52] <stevemmc> i know the name heh
[13:52] <stevemmc> euro? zeitnot or sclr?
[13:52] <stevemmc> brb. football ;p
[14:26] * Ize is now known as ize
[14:45] * Disconnected
[14:45] * Attempting to rejoin channel #html
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[14:52] <spacix> does anyone know some page that has some good graphics about which amount of
[17:09] <NiceDude> hey
[17:09] <NiceDude> what languages are used for making websites these days? there is a lot of
[17:10] <Yuval3> I have a div with assigned height and width. I only have a line of photos, b
[18:31] <freddy> hey
[18:31] <freddy> can anyone help
[18:34] <freddy> ?
[19:10] <kilomang> TBF!!
[19:14] <Siraris> If I have a table with a column list defined, and then headers and then tr/
[19:14] <Siraris> I'm having troublef iguring out when to style which for appropriate results
[19:16] <Siraris> I'll try saying <th style="
[19:17] <Siraris> padding: 0 0 0 50px;" and it doesn't do anything
[19:38] <namo_> why does html have to be so complicated nowadays
[19:39] <criten> because I said so, because I wanted to confuse you specifically
[19:41] <namo_> I simply don't have the patience anymore for all these new bells and whistles
[19:42] <namo_> can you bring it back to <blink></blink> tags and stuff like in t
[19:44] <criten> no
[19:49] <RoundQube> hello all
[19:50] <RoundQube> i have a line of code such as: <div style="overflow:auto; width: 600px
[19:50] <RoundQube> i placed the height="10%" as well just to make it small enough so a scrol
[19:55] <glick> hi
[19:55] <glick> hey is there a website storyboarding software out there?
[19:56] <glick> where you can do rough sketches and hook up links between sketches?
[19:58] <kilomang> whiteboard
[19:59] <glick> whiteboard?
[20:06] <namo_> can someone help me with an html table issue?
[20:07] <Siraris> namo_: No, I already asked, no one wants to help
[20:07] <porfus3> ask ?
[20:08] <kilomang> lol
[20:08] <porfus3> whats the question
[20:08] <kilomang> if you are using tables for layouts most people here wont really help you.
[20:08] <namo_> it's too embarrassing to ask in public
[20:08] <Siraris> kilomang: I'm not using for layout, yet no one cares :(
[20:08] <kilomang> Siraris: what the prob yo
[20:08] <porfus3> omfg
[20:08] <porfus3> wtf
[20:08] <porfus3> is the QUESTION
[20:09] <Siraris> kilomang: I'm just wondering where the best place to define styles are if
[20:09] <kilomang> an external css file of course
[20:09] <Siraris> Because I have a th that says "title" and then data, and if I padd the data
[20:09] <jeeter522> styles should be defined in a fucking stylesheet, right?
[20:09] <Siraris> What I mean is, if I pad the th, it should effect the whole column, right?
[20:10] <jeeter522> siraris, use pastebin or give us a URL, or just shut your mouth
[20:10] <Siraris> jeeter522: Did mommy and daddy not tell you they loved you enough?
[20:10] <kilomang> Siraris: do you have web dev toolbar for firefox?
[20:10] <Siraris> kilomang: Like firebug?
[20:10] <kilomang> yes.. kind of
[20:11] <jeeter522> you are sitting here trying to justify a tables issue by talking it out,
[20:11] <kilomang> try editing it in firebug until you get it right
[20:11] <kilomang> what i always do
[20:11] <Siraris> one second
[20:14] <Siraris> http://rafb.net/p/rjjVbl42.html
[20:15] <Siraris> so I tried doing table reviewlist th.reviewTitle { padding-left: 50px;} in
[20:15] <Siraris> yet if I do table reviewlist td.title {padding-left:50px;} it does 50 pixel
[20:16] <jeeter522> why not just do .reviewTitle { padding-left:50px; } ?
[20:16] <Siraris> because I'm a backend guy, not a frontend, so I'm not used to CSS/html
[20:17] <Siraris> see, why did that work?
[20:17] <v9> backend in what sense
[20:17] <Siraris> php, asp, SQL
[20:17] <Siraris> jeeter522: Isn't doing .reviewTitle the same thing as table reviewlist td.
[20:17] <jeeter522> you make things to complicated, you dont need all that specification, if
[20:18] <Siraris> ok, well that makes things a lot easier
[20:18] <jeeter522> what do you think the entire purpose of a class/id is ?
[20:19] <v9> usually semi-hard to do php without css/html shit :/
[20:19] <kilomang> Siraris: get the web dev toolbar, you can edit CSS realtime and actually o
[20:19] <jeeter522> the web development toolbar isnt going to save him from using correct css
[20:20] <kilomang> that is true, but it can help him diagnose these problems visually
[20:20] <jeeter522> the only thing firebug would have told him in this situation is that the
[20:21] <jeeter522> its not going to say, "hey, why the fuck are yu using all this specificat
[20:22] <Siraris> kilomang: Ok, I will try using firebug more. Thanks for acting like a nor
[20:22] <Siraris> v9: It isn't if you have someone who knows CSS/html to do it while you do
[20:22] <kilomang> i like web dev toolbar because of the view style information thing
[20:22] <kilomang> i enver figured out how to save the changes you made to css on firebug :o
[20:23] <jeeter522> Siraris : if you took the time to read a FEW very short, sweet simple tut
[20:23] <Siraris> kilomang: Copy and paste :)
[20:23] <kilomang> Siraris: yeah i dont like copy paste, i just like save and ok
[20:23] <kilomang> heh
[20:23] <Siraris> kilomang: I feel you. Thanks again.
[20:26] <plumbdizz> im trying to test something on my site
[20:26] <plumbdizz> i setup the dns
[20:26] <plumbdizz> and everything
[20:26] <plumbdizz> but I dont know if its resolvable
[20:27] <jeeter522> lol
[20:27] <jeeter522> are you fucking kidding?
[20:27] <plumbdizz> no
[20:27] <plumbdizz> jeeter522: can you test it real quick?
[20:27] <jeeter522> this is #html dude
[20:27] <plumbdizz> plz
[20:27] <jeeter522> yea
[20:27] <plumbdizz> i know
[20:27] <jeeter522> give me
[20:27] <jeeter522> url
[20:27] <plumbdizz> ok its http://tinhat.explumbsion.com/
[20:27] <jeeter522> yea it resolves
[20:27] <plumbdizz> nice
[20:27] <plumbdizz> :D
[20:27] <plumbdizz> thanks
[20:28] <jeeter522> np
[20:34] * ikob is now known as boki-
[20:57] * boki- is now known as boki
[21:06] <namo_> does anyone know porfus3
[21:12] <namo_> can you tell porfus3 I said thanks
[21:31] * EoN` is now known as EoN
[21:53] * _porfus3 is now known as porfus3
[22:27] <mrbeano> hey, anyone alive ?
[22:29] <kilommmmm> be yourself
[22:29] <kilommmmm> is all that you can do
[22:38] <glick> im alive!
[22:40] <glick> hey is ther a good story board application for website design?
[22:41] <kilommmmm> what the fuck is a story board application
[22:41] <glick> umm where you can scribble the basic page layout for example
[22:41] <glick> and set up crude links
[22:41] <kilommmmm> what?????????
[22:41] <glick> so you can follow the flow of the site>?
[22:42] <kilommmmm> ghuh??
[22:42] <glick> kjlnas,ed
[22:43] <glick> is there no such thing>?
[22:43] <glick> SmilyOrg, ?
[22:44] <kilommmmm> dude
[22:44] <kilommmmm> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
[22:45] <glick> kilommmmm, are you brain dead?
[22:46] <kilommmmm> dude, wtf?
[22:46] <kilommmmm> wtf is a storyboard application for web design?
[22:46] <glick> website design software
[22:46] <spank> here's a story board application: throw up a bunch of jpegs of your shit
Session Close: Mon Jan 14 00:00:00 2008