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Session Start: Sat Jan 12 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #html
[00:40] * \n is now known as criten
[00:40] * criten is now known as \n
[01:56] * sonikx is now known as sonikx3
[02:15] <m_itai> anyone can help me with the cgiemail ?
[02:36] <Vandam> Question : To make a textarea auto size how do i do that?
[03:03] <Vandam> Anyone?
[03:07] <omarsxs> any graphics guy awake, i need a business card like now
[03:07] <omarsxs> i have a show in 4 hours
[03:07] <omarsxs> with no cards
[03:07] <omarsxs> anyone awake? very simple design needed
[03:10] <m_itai> hi
[03:10] <omarsxs> hey
[03:10] <m_itai> how i do auto window close after few seconds?
[03:10] <m_itai> what is the name of the command?
[03:10] <omarsxs> i am not sure
[03:17] <Vandam> Is there a way for a IFrame to Auto Resize?
[03:50] <m_itai> how can i make a form with one submit that do 2 actions?
[03:54] <skeelo> js onclick
[04:08] <m_itai> how to do that?
[04:19] <xetyb> Do all elements inherit their style from the parent element?
[04:20] <xetyb> In other words, if I use inline styling to define some properties for the bod
[04:20] <xetyb> internal styling, not inline
[05:45] * deadlift- is now known as deadlift
[07:13] <m_itai> how can i do onclick() that do 2 actions?
[07:16] <Grab> hello, i need to put some mp3s on my site, but i'd like to have them in a web
[07:16] <m_itai> how can i do onclick() that do 2 actions?
[08:04] <Nuticulus> hi, i am using this <font size="2" color="somecolor">
[08:04] <Nuticulus> in firefox i can see the right color, but in IE i cant
[08:04] <Nuticulus> y?
[08:05] <m_itai> how can i do onclick() that do 2 actions?
[08:06] <Ize> yourbutton.onClick(){
[08:06] <Ize> trace("ZOMG");
[08:06] <Ize> }
[08:24] <TBF> No point helping m_itai, s/he doesn't have the skillset to apply the advice giv
[09:06] <whatsuppp> hey
[09:06] <whatsuppp> anyone successfully installed template plazza's estore?
[10:26] <gewe55> hello
[10:27] <gewe55> i have a problem when displaying a swf file on my html webpage
[10:27] <gewe55> i tried to put it on the top left
[10:27] <gewe55> but there is still a few pixels of space
[10:27] <gewe55> anyone know how to remove them
[11:54] * _porfus3 is now known as porfus3
[11:58] <ChrisB> how can you put an email address on a website without getting alot of spam?
[12:02] <TBF> So you are okay with some spam?
[12:02] <TBF> If so, use multiple HTML entity escaping methods
[12:02] <ChrisB> well I want to avoid it as much as possible
[12:06] <TBF> Do you have any experience of server-side languages and Javascript?
[12:06] <ChrisB> yes
[12:08] <TBF> Then consider using <a href="/contact/john-smith" rel="nofollow"><img
[12:08] <ChrisB> so have the email address as an image?
[12:08] <TBF> Form a /robots.txt and place /contact/ into a deny list. For any UA who indicat
[12:09] <TBF> Using Javascript, remove the image element and replace it with the textualised
[12:10] <v9> crawlers that harvest email addresses dont care a whole lot about robots.txt and
[12:10] <v9> a lot of sites just split the email address up with words/etc
[12:11] <TBF> If I need to use a third party FQDN, I do a class on the anchor, eg: john, john
[12:11] <TBF> v9, that's the point. By indicating that the URL space is out of bounds, you no
[12:11] <TBF> If any user states they wish to handshake with HTTP/1.0, you know you've hit so
[12:12] <TBF> Who if you have an user who suggests they are IE6, but failed to match the Acce
[12:12] <TBF> This allows you to either downright block them or force a auth to occur, say a
[12:12] <TBF> The aim is to not block RFC following bots, but rather to get assurance you are
[12:14] <v9> still most of these things can be forged, except realistically captcha
[12:14] <v9> even the hidden element trick can be bypassed relatively easily
[12:15] <TBF> Of course, but this is a ultra low rate of issue.
[12:15] <TBF> I currently use this:
[12:15] <TBF> <dd><a class="email" href="mailto:enquiries
[12:15] <v9> your goal is to make it a big of a pain in the ass as possible :P
[12:15] <TBF> The only instance of me gettng spam to enquiries@example.com was due to Google
[12:16] <TBF> Bot coders aren't that smart sadly, a simple HTML::Parse would have got my emai
[12:16] <TBF> sadly? not sadly!
[12:17] <v9> yup, been making a web crawler these past weeks, quite a little speed demon
[12:17] * v9 pets his baby
[12:17] <TBF> BTW, my classnames example as: john => john@example.net (assuming document w
[12:17] <TBF> You can come up with your own class commonlities yourself based on your own nee
[12:18] <TBF> The aims are: Show a normal email address in text form if Javascript exists. Of
[12:18] <TBF> In that link space is were you do more stricter tests.
[12:19] <v9> javascript string manipulation seems pretty effective
[12:19] <v9> wasnt thinking about that for some reason
[12:20] <TBF> Mmm?
[12:20] <TBF> Expand on your sentence?
[12:20] <v9> making the email addr on the fly via javascript and a semi-encoded string
[12:21] <TBF> I don't see how that helps? Failure for JS to parse results in what?
[12:21] <TBF> A dead link?
[12:21] <v9> the email addr...for crawlers
[12:22] <v9> as they will not be execing js
[12:22] <TBF> But what about users who don't enable JS?
[12:22] <v9> ...the image dealio like you were blabbering about
[12:22] <v9> was just mentioning it didnt cross my mind
[12:22] <TBF> Oh right
[12:23] <v9> ro the hidden form elements dealio, although easier to bypass
[12:23] <TBF> BTW, it's possible to parse JS mechanically, it's just too much work for email
[12:23] <v9> yeah i know
[12:23] <TBF> Java has a library for it, as well as most people not being aware that they can
[12:24] <TBF> http://search.cpan.org/~abeltje/Win32-IE-Mechanize-0.009/lib/Win32/IE/Mechanize
[12:24] <v9> people make things to break captcha too..but don't see that used really
[12:24] <TBF> http://search.cpan.org/~slanning/Mozilla-Mechanize-0.05/lib/Mozilla/Mechanize.p
[12:24] <TBF> No, it's just too much effort.
[12:24] <v9> to me it would be just enough to were people wont care enough to decipher it
[12:24] <v9> where*
[12:25] <v9> then again
[12:25] <v9> this is not something i've had to deal with, not my problem :)
[13:10] * userme1 is now known as userme
[13:18] <timo---> is it possible to get a dynamic objetcs position without setting a value fi
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[16:36] <skeelo> what is css for italic i forget :D
[16:36] <skeelo> nm google is my friend
[17:14] <Jaggy> I saw a page on this once.. I'm trying to make text wrap around two empty-spa
[17:14] <Jaggy> (the background image containing the shape it's visually wrapping around)
[17:15] <Jaggy> the problem is, while one image works.. I can't get the next image below it
[17:15] <Jaggy> you know, a br isn't going to work, etc..
[17:26] <Jaggy> this one guy did it with varying sizes of either <img>'s or <div>
[17:26] <Jaggy> oh.. perhaps different layers are necessary
[17:27] <Jaggy> or was it imgs.. ahh, it might have been various images used with some no-ove
[18:47] * Ize is now known as ize
[19:29] * MathFight programs an operating system in HTML
[19:30] <Jaggy> cool
[19:37] <Nooster> disk i/o might prove interesting
[19:37] <brad24> hi guys, i've searched A LOT and need help with something, is there ANY PROG
[19:45] <jipped> avi2dvd
[20:02] <Jaggy> I'm very proud of my technical page-design skills, establishing a centered pa
[20:08] <Jaggy> Okay, and I have some <div>'s clear the space over a bg image so the te
[20:08] <Jaggy> those scale width-wise, being set to a % of the page, calculated on the width
[20:09] <Jaggy> My thoughts aren't giving me any clear results, yet, on how to scale them ver
[20:11] <Jaggy> Here, take a look if you will: http://bdh.voyager.com/sufiCelebration/usc/
[20:12] <Jaggy> notice how, if you scale your browser width, the text, which wraps around the
[20:12] <Jaggy> (consequently, the image and table scales in all browsers except IE, which ke
[20:13] <Jaggy> pardon me, a <td width=970>
[20:14] <Jaggy> every browser overrides that, favoring the outer <table>'s width="100%"
[20:18] <jipped> tables are weak
[20:18] <jipped> even for tabular data
[20:20] <Jaggy> I think they're convenient
[20:21] <Jaggy> but that's probably a result of using them for so many years, deprived of div
[20:22] <Jaggy> but how do you get [table width="100%"][cell a][cell b width=600][cell c][/t
[20:22] <Jaggy> without tables
[20:27] <kilomang> Jaggy: listS?
[20:30] * ikob is now known as boki-
[21:37] <Jaggy> kilo, what's a list?
[21:37] <Jaggy> like.. ul li??
[21:39] <Jaggy> jipped, well my tables work for this purpose, and I don't know another way to
[21:39] <namo_> hi
[21:40] <namo_> does anyone know why my bgcolor isn't working in a table?
[21:41] <kilomang> why dont you just give it a class/id and set it with css
[21:42] <namo_> I don't like cs
[21:42] <namo_> s
[21:42] <v9> heh
[21:42] <v9> should learn to like it
[21:42] <spank> don't like it or don't understand it?
[21:42] <namo_> I understand it, but I don't like dealing with extra files
[21:42] <v9> so dont understand it it is
[21:44] <namo_> I guess I can put it in the style tag
[21:48] <Doonce> what tags can onload work on?
[21:48] <Doonce> if i cant use body, span, div
[21:48] <Doonce> or img
[21:50] <Doonce> can it work on headers?
[21:50] <Doonce> idc about validity
[21:52] <kilomang> dsad
[21:53] <Doonce> but if there is something valid that would work id use it
[21:57] <namo_> wasn't there a time when this would work for bgcolor; <table cellpadding="
[22:11] <spank> despite the fact bgcolor is deprecated, that does work
[22:12] <spank> although that colors the entire table, not just an individual cell
[22:14] <Jaggy> your bgcolor should work
[22:15] <Jaggy> but style="" is much nicer to use, as is class= and id=
[22:16] <Jaggy> perhaps you set your <tr>'s or <td>'s as well?
[22:16] <Doonce> can anyone help me?
[22:16] <Jaggy> I'm wondering why various text in my page is getting underlined.. my submit b
[22:17] <Jaggy> http://bdh.voyager.com/sufiCelebration/usc/ the little form for them
[22:18] <Jaggy> doonce, can't use body, span, div?
[22:18] <Jaggy> can you include javascript to add the .onload event?
[22:18] <Doonce> cant use script either
[22:18] <Jaggy> that's good, for you can also chain the prior handlers I think
[22:19] <Jaggy> talk to whoever doesn't want you to use script on their page then??
[22:19] <Doonce> no it wont work
[22:19] <Jaggy> I'm not sure where you can use it.. now's time for a good search on the web
[22:19] <Doonce> its loading the page dynamically and it wont read javascript
[22:19] <Doonce> in script tags
[22:19] <Doonce> would it work on <a>
[22:20] <Doonce> like just have an anchor with it then close it right away
[22:20] <Doonce> <a onload="">,</a>
[22:20] <Doonce> would that work... without the ,
[22:20] <Jaggy> can you tell me why my "Add me to your email list" submit-button's text is un
[22:20] <Jaggy> not that I know of.. onload is only available in a few places
[22:20] <Jaggy> I think
[22:20] * Jaggy is now known as rndn
[22:20] <Doonce> onclick works on a
[22:21] <Doonce> i could probably help you
[22:21] <Doonce> lemme see it
[22:21] <rndn> I saw a page with the reverse listing.. lemme try to find it
[22:22] <rndn> (one which listed tags in the order you're asking)
[22:22] <Doonce> i could use span
[22:22] <Doonce> if i found out how to write my javascript without closing it
[22:22] <Doonce> because i have a <span>asdfds</span> in what im writing
[22:24] <rndn> got it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/index/attributes.html
[22:24] <rndn> it shows it only in body and framesets
[22:24] <rndn> hmm.. frameset :)
[22:25] <rndn> write js without closing it?
[22:27] <Doonce> ill try to jerry-rig something with frameset
[22:27] <Doonce> i can help your problem probably
[22:29] <rndn> weird. Right when I add "background-color:" to the <input type=submit valu
[22:32] <rndn> first off.. are you seeing the underlines I'm seeing?
[22:34] <rndn> it's happening in seamonkey and ff, but not in ie
[22:37] <rndn> how can I say "Add me to your mailing list" small and unoffensive?
[22:38] <rndn> that is.. the wording and such
[22:41] <rndn> damn this thing is operating strange.. if I merely click on my input type=text
[22:50] <seshek> lol @ topic
[23:00] <rndn> strange.. dreamweaver put <align="left"> .. </align="left"> in her
[23:00] <rndn> I've not looked it up yet.. but w3's validator doesn't like it :)
[23:00] <rndn> i'll use css for it
[23:00] <spank> if you're using dw, don't expect your pages to validate at all
[23:06] <rndn> k
[23:06] <rndn> thanks
[23:07] <rndn> I'm not using dw.. but I did try it for part of this page.
[23:07] <rndn> at the very beginning to get the doctype tag in there.. :)
[23:07] <rndn> since I'm not sure about the philosophy on the doctype still :)
[23:18] <rndn> any last minute tips on: http://bdh.voyager.com/sufiCelebration/usc/ ?
[23:19] <rndn> I have to send it to another country to be put on the final site
[23:21] <namo_> can you tell me how this looks; https://www.armenianmatch.com/cgi-bin/purchas
[23:22] <namo_> I'm trying to see if the background colors on the pricing can be seen
[23:23] <kilomang> yes.
[23:23] <kilomang> although you should set it to the <td>
[23:23] <namo_> thanks, let me try that
[23:23] <kilomang> the parent td i mean
[23:24] <kilomang> tbody > tr > td
[23:24] <namo_> which one is the parent td?
[23:24] <kilomang> right now you are doing tbody > tr > td > table > tbody > t
[23:25] <namo_> note that it looks all white for me on a windows 2000 IE version 6.0
[23:26] <kilomang> heh yeah ie6
[23:26] <kilomang> gotta figure that out
[23:26] <kilomang> well i gotta go to sleep later
[23:27] <namo_> thanks, later
[23:50] * ize is now known as Ize
Session Close: Sun Jan 13 00:00:00 2008