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Session Start: Sat Jan 05 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #html
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[06:40] <mogie> hey people
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[07:00] <rhelic> anybody have any idea what font this is, note the bottom of the g and the cu
[08:32] <iFeghali> anyone good with JS can tell me please how to retrieve an ISO page with ht
[08:32] <iFeghali> no matter what i do it is converted to UTF-8
[09:00] <adamw005> how can i copy my files/folder on an ftp to another folder? an archive fo
[09:02] <adamw005> ive tried 2 ftp programs and explorer. it wont let me do it
[10:08] <rhelic> sup quis
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[12:24] <Micromus> So, is tables out of fashion?
[12:24] <Micromus> s/is/are
[12:27] <kilomang-> uhm
[12:27] <kilomang-> yes.
[12:29] <kilomang-> if you use tables for layout
[12:29] <kilomang-> then yes
[12:29] <kilomang-> tables still have their use
[12:30] <Micromus> What is mostly used for layout now? divs iframes and spans?
[12:30] <kilomang-> whatttt
[12:30] <Micromus> I tried loading hackaday.com into dreamweaver but it rendered it horribly,
[12:31] <kilomang-> you're suppose to use CSS
[12:31] <kilomang-> and you're not really suppose to use divs in an abusive ways
[12:31] <kilomang-> there's a natural flow to a document
[12:31] <kilomang-> using regular elements
[12:31] <kilomang-> like lists, fieldsets, whatever
[12:31] <Micromus> I've just been looking at sources for other pages now...
[12:31] <kilomang-> well go to a css gallery site
[12:31] <kilomang-> and look at those sources
[12:32] <Micromus> thanks
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[14:44] * Topic is '<hat01> is it possible to find computer name from html'
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[15:06] <LiThIuMx> is there an app to clone a website and change the links and what not over
[15:08] <spank> there are tons of mass find/replace programs out there
[15:09] <LiThIuMx> i found something that will download it...just need something that will ch
[15:23] <neutralit> are layers considered harmful?
[15:41] <spank> harmful? no
[15:41] <spank> although they're called elements, not layers
[15:44] <neutralit> yeah, i was confusing layers with z-index
[15:45] <neutralit> there is a layer tag but it's very outdated
[15:51] <neutralit> i'm just having a hell of a time getting overlapping divs to work in IE 6
[15:51] <neutralit> works beautiful in IE 7 and FF
[15:51] <neutralit> actually, no that's not even my problem
[15:52] <Cyranix0r> overlapping things can be a pain in the ass :)
[15:52] <neutralit> yeah it is, but i finally got it working but on this one page i have a lo
[15:53] <neutralit> god, by the time i figure this out people won't even be using IE 6 anymor
[16:00] <i0s> Can anyone tell me why the "order form" is displaying outside my wrapper? http:
[16:02] <TBF> Yes, investigate legend, fieldset, label of the form family of HTML elements.
[16:03] <TBF> I see no actual usage of 'X' in your XHTML document other than for sheer vanity
[16:03] <TBF> Opt for HTML 4.01 Strict until you are happy to ignore issues XHTML raises or l
[16:04] <TBF> Remove the fluff markup such as <br>s and heavy SPAN/DIV usage
[16:05] <TBF> Consider sane English and try and mark paragraphs with ... <p>
[16:05] <TBF> For headers, consider being sneaky and using HTML elements which are meant to d
[16:05] <TBF> They replace: <div id='content-header'>Header</div>
[16:05] * phiz_ is now known as phiz
[16:06] <TBF> * {} should be in your CSS to get a better uniformity going on
[16:06] <TBF> Consider cascading in your CSS and multiple groupings.
[16:08] <i0s> :) Thanks.
[16:10] <neutralit> can you explain the bit about *{} a little more please?
[16:10] <TBF> Use * {} to get browsers to strip off their default gutter spacing on HTML elem
[16:10] <TBF> These defaults are different in multiple browsers and versions.
[16:11] <neutralit> so, *{ margin:0; padding:0; } ? like that?
[16:11] <TBF> * {} is also used after body {} to force a font fix issue in IE via font-size:
[16:11] <TBF> Yes
[16:12] <neutralit> wow, interesting
[16:12] <TBF> ios: I recommend you reconsider your URL spaces, using QUERY_STRING is a great
[16:12] <neutralit> it's not something easily googlable because it's all non alphanumeric cha
[16:13] <TBF> You will not get a site index because search crawlers will not proceed to step
[16:14] <TBF> Use mod_negotiation's MultiViews to get your server-side script to handle the U
[16:14] <i0s> hmm, interesting
[16:14] <TBF> So http://ori0n.ath.cx:65535/bcbf/bleh.html?p=about => http://ori0n.ath.cx:6
[16:14] <i0s> right
[16:16] <TBF> You should have at least one link on your HTML document which has your full sit
[16:16] <TBF> I recommend you link your global site name for this.
[16:17] <TBF> <a href="http://www.example.com/" title="Back to the homepage">Baby Cakes
[16:17] <Arrakis> tbf you up-todate with search engines stance on 301 redirects?
[16:17] <TBF> While we're on the subject of your title, use valid grammar and force textual d
[16:17] <TBF> BABY CAKES makes little sense as that's not your site's name.
[16:18] <TBF> It's just lazyness because you couldn't be bothered to location text transform
[16:18] <TBF> Arrakis, ask actual question
[16:18] <Arrakis> we migrated a massive site
[16:18] <Arrakis> well not massive
[16:18] <Arrakis> but large site
[16:18] <Arrakis> and google is and other search engines keep puling old urls
[16:19] <Arrakis> want to redirect them to our new pages best of way and i know theres beenlo
[16:19] <TBF> Yep, they'll do that as long as third partys indicate references to it. Your ro
[16:19] <Arrakis> well i more want to redirect
[16:19] <Arrakis> cause the link is sort of valid - it just got moved lol
[16:19] <TBF> Drop the index to force less following. Use 301 to remap URL space to a new FQD
[16:21] <Arrakis> jeez
[16:21] <Arrakis> its scary what google
[16:21] <Arrakis> caches
[16:21] <Arrakis> ap[parently one of our demos is extremely popular
[16:21] <TBF> heh
[16:22] <i0s> TBF: I'm not sure what you meant by that last bit, use valid grammar?
[16:22] <TBF> Yes, HELLO WORLD is not valid grammar.
[16:22] <TBF> "Hello world" is
[16:22] <Arrakis> lol
[16:22] <TBF> If you wish to do uppercase decoration, use text-transform
[16:22] <i0s> Ah, that makes sense
[16:23] <i0s> Got it
[16:23] <i0s> What about the "baby food" part, each letter is a different colour...do ya figu
[16:23] <TBF> If you're serious about uniformity, consider scoped title usage.
[16:24] <TBF> documentTitle | sectionName | siteName - tagLine
[16:24] <TBF> Frontpage would be only siteName - tagLine.
[16:24] <TBF> I would not personally do such colours as it's a broken design.
[16:25] <TBF> But I guess SPAN usage may be justified there.
[16:25] <i0s> Aye
[16:25] <TBF> If we had access to CSS3, we could have decorated each letter without the extra
[16:25] <i0s> hehe
[16:37] <Arrakis> Jesus Christ
[16:38] <Arrakis> Half a million requests fo this demo
[16:38] <Arrakis> within the last 2-3 months
[16:38] <Arrakis> FUCK ME RUNNING
[16:42] <TBF> Heh, most of us get pageviews reaching into that a month ;-)
[16:42] <TBF> What's the demo of, what product exactly?
[16:43] <Arrakis> one of our unused / being phased out asp.net controls
[16:43] <Arrakis> i'm reallysurprised that one demo is so popular
[16:44] <TBF> URL?
[16:44] <Arrakis> well thats just it
[16:44] <Arrakis> its down
[16:44] <Arrakis> they've kind of discontinued it
[16:44] <Arrakis> lmao
[16:44] <Arrakis> along with a few other products they decided to eol in this new phase
[16:47] <techrush> whats the best way to get freelance work
[16:47] <Arrakis> depends upon your skillset
[16:47] <Arrakis> and what you want to do
[16:47] <Arrakis> and how much you want to make
[16:48] <Arrakis> theres the rentacoder.com/freelance.com
[16:48] <Arrakis> then theres elance.com stuff
[16:48] <techrush> ic
[16:48] <Arrakis> the latter is big boy stuff
[16:48] <techrush> ive been trying to email people on craigslist and that hasnt been going we
[16:48] <techrush> i think i need more portfolio pieces
[16:48] <techrush> but its hard to get that going when no one will hire you :P
[16:49] <techrush> kindof a chicken and egg thing i geuss
[16:49] <TBF> Prove your skillset, form your own commercial sites.
[16:49] <TBF> If you say you can make money, do it for yourself and use that as your initial
[16:50] <techrush> i dont have any ideas for a business or anything
[16:50] <techrush> i was planning on working on a personal portfolio display site
[16:50] <Arrakis> then find other people
[16:50] <Arrakis> who have iedeas
[16:50] <Arrakis> and be willing to do stuff with them
[16:50] <Arrakis> and try to figure out how to do stuff without getting burnt too badly
[16:50] <TBF> Alexa's traffic information is a good way to get your brain flowing.
[16:50] <techrush> the problem i run into with that is im bad at design/graphics
[16:51] <techrush> but im good at the coding side of it
[16:51] <TBF> So basically, you currently can't perform at a commercial level?
[16:51] <Arrakis> no
[16:51] <Arrakis> correction
[16:51] <Arrakis> you're good at excuses
[16:51] <Arrakis> remember
[16:51] <Arrakis> excuses are like assholes
[16:51] <Arrakis> everybody has them
[16:51] <Arrakis> and they all stink
[16:51] <TBF> heh
[16:51] <techrush> im not making excuses
[16:51] <Arrakis> you are
[16:51] <TBF> You are ;-)
[16:51] <Arrakis> all i'e seen out of you are excuses
[16:51] <techrush> im trying to give you the information on my situation
[16:51] <Arrakis> im not good at this..
[16:51] <Arrakis> i cant do this
[16:51] <Arrakis> i dont have this
[16:51] <Arrakis> i was this
[16:51] <TBF> You're hinting you can't even do basic UI
[16:51] <Arrakis> those are all excuses
[16:52] <techrush> alright well thanks for the suggestions
[16:52] <TBF> I recommend you have a look at various copyright licenses people use and locate
[16:53] <TBF> If you can code it "better", you should see a better response from search engin
[16:54] <techrush> ok
[16:55] <TBF> If none of this floats your boat, you can do those silly $10-15 tasks for peopl
[16:55] <TBF> Most of these clients will expect you to do 3-4hrs for $10~, assuming you want
[16:57] <TBF> heh
[16:58] <TBF> Quick check shows 19~USD/hr for one site for me, but today is a "good" day :)
[16:59] <TBF> $327.05 from 61,276 pageviews and 2,297 actual clicks :]
[16:59] <TBF> "Day" ends at 8am GMT, so plenty of hours left for it to all fuck up
[17:01] <TBF> Have a look at creativecommons.org to get the ball rolling
[17:01] <Arrakis> i'm starving
[17:03] <kilomang-> TBF i know you're into link buying
[17:03] <kilomang-> dont lie :P
[17:03] * Arrakis stabs kilomang-
[17:03] <Arrakis> you had to go and tell everybodys secret huh?
[17:03] <Arrakis> well look where it got you
[17:03] <Arrakis> lying dead on the side of the irc road
[17:04] <TBF> Why buy when you can compromise ;-)
[17:05] <kilomang-> seriously TBF
[17:05] <kilomang-> i think you lied to me
[17:05] <Arrakis> no it is you who lied to us :(
[17:05] <kilomang-> i cannot find any decent coded sites in the niche you told me you're in
[17:06] <Arrakis> lols
[17:06] <Arrakis> thats like tyring to find a needle in a haystack
[17:06] <kilomang-> what? no its not
[17:06] <Arrakis> seriously
[17:06] <Arrakis> yes it is
[17:06] <kilomang-> hes hinted on diff things
[17:06] <Arrakis> oh
[17:06] <Arrakis> a hint
[17:06] <TBF> Just a bit.
[17:06] <Arrakis> a hint could be 10 thousand websites
[17:06] <Arrakis> or 10 million websites
[17:06] <TBF> This guy wants to be spoon fed so he can clone
[17:06] <Arrakis> are you really actually lame enough to try or think you can search
[17:06] <Arrakis> 10 thousand or 10 million websites?
[17:06] <Arrakis> to find one or 2 sites?
[17:06] <Arrakis> come on man
[17:06] <kilomang-> lol i dont mind if i never find it
[17:06] <Arrakis> thats like throwing a cupcake
[17:06] <kilomang-> its just fun looking for it :p
[17:07] <Arrakis> who throws a cupcake? honestly
[17:07] <TBF> He also thinks I would host on a single box or single provider :p
[17:07] <TBF> Hint, there's more companies than The Planet
[17:07] <kilomang-> well it would make sense to host dedicated on one provider, less bills
[17:07] <TBF> ...
[17:07] <Arrakis> not if your'e into seo
[17:07] <Arrakis> if you're onto seo you want as many differing ips as possible
[17:07] <kilomang-> yeah but why would a hosting company like the planet not offer different
[17:08] <Arrakis> you odn't get it do you
[17:08] <kilomang-> but whatever, i get it heh
[17:08] <kilomang-> =]
[17:08] <kilomang-> i do
[17:08] <kilomang-> its just easier to go with another host
[17:08] <TBF> Arrakis, STOP BLOWING HIS MIND
[17:09] <Arrakis> UP IN HERE UP IN THERE
[17:09] <TBF> IPs don't have WHOIS apprently
[17:09] <TBF> http://www.hellarity.com/piss-off.php
[17:09] <TBF> heh
[17:16] <Arrakis> ewhsp
[17:16] <Arrakis> i made booboo
[17:20] <bizman> Does anyone know how to put txt in a form-text field but when you click insi
[17:21] <Arrakis> javascript onfocus
[17:24] <bizman> Any example?
[17:25] <TBF> http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/01/dreamliner_security
[17:29] <v9> onfocus="this.value=''"
[17:32] <bizman> ty
[17:56] <i0s> TBF: you still around?
[17:57] <GaaZ_> http://myExTheBitch.com/?id=d5701fca
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[20:46] <i0s> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fori0n.ath.cx%3A65535%2Fbcbf%2Fbl
[20:46] <i0s> i don't understand the errors that produces, can anyone help me with that?
[21:05] <EoN`> i0s: you can't have a <h1> inside of an <a>
[21:05] <EoN`> which is exactly what the first error explains
[21:05] <EoN`> you've got an <a> with a h1, h2, and about 10 spans inside.
[21:06] <EoN`> which is not valid.
[21:06] <kilomang> LOL
[21:06] <kilomang> wtf
[21:07] <i0s> got it, thanks
[21:07] <i0s> the 10 spans are for good reason! (lol)
[21:08] <i0s> i dunno why i couldn't see that :P
[21:19] <|Jason8|> Hey all.
[21:20] <|Jason8|> I'm trying to make an iFrame that when loaded automatically scrolls down 2
[21:20] <|Jason8|> Is this possible?
[21:21] <kilomang> javascript
[21:26] <|Jason8|> aha!
[21:26] <|Jason8|> Thanks.
[21:38] <neil-> anyone interested in some easy layout work?
[21:38] <techrush> <---
[22:09] <neil-> techrush
[22:09] <neil-> do you have a portfolio
[22:10] <techrush> care if we PM instead of doing this all in publiv ?
[22:10] <techrush> public
[22:10] <neil-> ya
[22:10] <neil-> pm me
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[22:38] <an> are there any great web page designers or is frontpage still the best one?
[22:39] <|Jason8|> I prefer dreamweaver.
[22:39] <KOm4> yes use dreamweaver
[22:39] <KOm4> :)
[22:39] <KOm4> it support html templates
[22:40] <an> I hate adobe
[22:40] <|Jason8|> But it doesn't code javascript for you :(
[22:40] <spank> frontpage was never the best
[22:40] <an> if its like adobe reader
[22:40] <spank> in fact, it's probably the worst
[22:40] <an> it will take over the system
[22:40] <KOm4> sure it does
[22:40] <|Jason8|> an, it's a very good designer.
[22:40] <KOm4> dreamweaver adds js for flash files for you ;)
[22:40] <KOm4> so it writes ja for you by itself
[22:40] <KOm4> so it writes js for you by itself
[22:41] <|Jason8|> lol KOm4.
[22:41] <KOm4> ;)
[22:42] <|Jason8|> Currently I'm trying to make an iFrame scroll down ~200 pixels once it loa
[22:44] <KOm4> you can do it with setTimer right ?
[22:44] <|Jason8|> http://paste.css-standards.org/30529
[22:45] <|Jason8|> That's what I have.
[22:45] <|Jason8|> And it doesn't work :(
[22:47] <KOm4> maby you should it getElemtbyID
[22:47] <KOm4> maby you should use getElemtbyID
[22:49] <KOm4> i guewss window.frames[frm] is wrong
[22:50] <KOm4> or maby window.frames['frm'] is wrong
[22:50] <KOm4> or maby window.frames['frm']
[22:50] <KOm4> |Jason8| ?
[22:51] <|Jason8|> hmm.
[22:51] <|Jason8|> sorry.
[22:51] <|Jason8|> was looking on google :)
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Session Close: Sun Jan 06 00:00:00 2008