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Session Start: Fri Dec 28 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #html
[01:14] * La is now known as _La
[01:14] * _La is now known as La
[01:20] <azam> activitate
[06:37] <packjamNL> evening
[06:37] <MsIceland> hey
[06:38] <packjamNL> heey
[06:39] <packjamNL> the irc changed since 1995
[06:39] <MsIceland> heheeheehhehhehheeheeheeheee
[06:39] <MsIceland> welcome to irc 2007
[06:39] <packjamNL> hehhe
[06:40] <packjamNL> I remember talking to a bot on my online amiga1200-060 @14.4k
[06:40] <MsIceland> lol
[06:40] <MsIceland> i've done that before too
[06:40] <MsIceland> on a BBS
[06:40] <packjamNL> heh
[06:40] <MsIceland> i thoguht it was a real chick
[06:40] <packjamNL> yeah
[06:40] <packjamNL> I asked her 10 x' s
[06:41] <packjamNL> who come you type so goddamn fast
[06:41] <packjamNL> howcome
[06:41] <MsIceland> lol
[06:41] <packjamNL> you're from?
[06:42] <MsIceland> australia
[06:42] <packjamNL> ok kool
[06:42] <MsIceland> you?
[06:42] <packjamNL> the Netherlands
[06:42] <MsIceland> oh ok
[06:43] <packjamNL> I need go go buy some groceries
[06:43] <packjamNL> but dont know what yet
[06:43] <packjamNL> for the 0:00 ykow
[06:44] <packjamNL> I bought my cat some temazepam
[06:44] <MsIceland> oh
[06:45] <MsIceland> your cat is sick?
[06:45] <packjamNL> yknow against the loudness of the fireworks
[06:46] <packjamNL> I have crackers as big as a can of coca cola
[06:46] <packjamNL> almost real bombs
[06:46] <packjamNL> I have see crackers as big as a can of coca cola
[06:46] <packjamNL> I have seen crackers as big as a can of coca cola
[06:47] <packjamNL> and she's realy afraid of the noise
[06:48] <packjamNL> so wwe gonna put her to sleep a little bit
[06:49] <packjamNL> need to go
[06:49] <packjamNL> see ya next year
[06:50] <packjamNL> next year in jerusalem right?
[06:50] <packjamNL> :>)
[07:23] <larry25> is there a cross browser way to set a bookmark?
[08:32] * xmashans is now known as hansje
[08:49] <gonzorob> hello all
[08:49] <gonzorob> is this the # for html help?
[08:52] <^^> i guess you might get some help here:)
[08:52] <gonzorob> :)
[08:52] <gonzorob> got a small bug on my page which is driving me crazy... for once IE works
[08:53] <gonzorob> http://www.beatnikgames.co.uk/test
[08:53] <gonzorob> in firefox the icons on the left hand side space themselves out, which kil
[08:53] <gonzorob> in IE they work a treat...
[08:53] <gonzorob> any ideas ?
[08:58] <gonzorob> take that as a no ;)
[09:00] <^^> looks like there are more bugs there as well, your enitre content except your ic
[09:00] <rhelic> gonzorob: now I'm awake
[09:00] <rhelic> sup z
[09:02] <gonzorob> really ?
[09:02] <gonzorob> *sigh
[09:03] <gonzorob> works fine with firefox 2 and ie 7 here
[09:03] <^^> gonzorob: like it does not appear in your container
[09:03] <gonzorob> so, the moo.fx script isnt working ?
[09:03] <^^> im reading it with IE 6.0, a bit old though
[09:04] <gonzorob> the moo.fx script should autoscroll to the various divs
[09:04] <gonzorob> rhelic, any ideas ?
[09:04] <^^> for me everything appears where it shouldnt appear :P
[09:05] <gonzorob> hehe, ok - whats it look like in firefox for you ?
[09:05] <MsIceland> welcome to #shamelessplugs
[09:05] <^^> and that its only your icons wich appears in your container
[09:06] <^^> rest is pushed down
[09:07] <gonzorob> very confusing
[09:07] <rhelic> gonzorob: I wasn't here to see the question/url
[09:07] <gonzorob> oh right :)
[09:07] <^^> http://www.beatnikgames.co.uk/test
[09:07] <^^> :)
[09:07] <MsIceland> ok your icons aren't aligned with the text?
[09:07] <gonzorob> yeah, with the text in the .gif
[09:08] <gonzorob> does the moo.fx not work for anyone ?
[09:08] <gonzorob> in IE7 and FF2 (for me) it works a treat
[09:08] <MsIceland> the spacing between the icons are too high
[09:08] <^^> that too
[09:09] <gonzorob> yeah, but the icons are in a table.. i dont know how to close the spaces..
[09:10] <MsIceland> you could change the height of the table
[09:10] <^^> id believe your icons are ment to fit into that drak brown field?
[09:10] <^^> dark
[09:10] <gonzorob> dark brown ?
[09:10] <^^> or what color it is
[09:11] <^^> you want a screen shot?
[09:11] <^^> :P
[09:11] <gonzorob> no, the icons side on the left hand side
[09:11] <gonzorob> hehe
[09:11] <gonzorob> yes please :)
[09:11] <^^> it doesnt look right to me
[09:11] <^^> ok
[09:11] <gonzorob> sounds very wrong
[09:11] <^^> one moment
[09:11] <gonzorob> does it look fubar for everyone else ?
[09:12] <MsIceland> apart from the icon spacing it looks ok
[09:12] <gonzorob> tried the table height trick, no joy
[09:13] <gonzorob> MSIcelance, what browser are you using ?
[09:13] <MsIceland> is there a style assigned to td or the link id's, or possibly anything el
[09:13] <MsIceland> seamonkeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[09:13] <MsIceland> ALL THE WAY NIGGA
[09:14] <MsIceland> </rave>
[09:14] <gonzorob> good point
[09:14] <gonzorob> *checks
[09:15] <^^> gonzorob: did you get my dcc send?
[09:15] <MsIceland> or assign heights to td
[09:16] <MsIceland> td style="height: 25px" or something.. that looks like the average height
[09:16] <gonzorob> sorry, 'td' is short for ?
[09:16] <^^> table data?
[09:16] <Cyranix0r> why does it have to be short for anything
[09:16] <gonzorob> oh yes
[09:16] <gonzorob> sorry
[09:16] <gonzorob> haha
[09:16] <Cyranix0r> its just <td></td>
[09:17] <gonzorob> im being dumb, my brain is fried ;)
[09:17] <^^> mine too :P
[09:17] <MsIceland> sorry
[09:17] <gonzorob> far too long looking at html :)
[09:17] <gonzorob> hehe
[09:18] <MsIceland> you could try adding this style..: .sidebar1 div table tr td { height: 25
[09:18] * DaveJ-UK is now known as DaveJ|UK
[09:18] <MsIceland> oh hang on
[09:19] <MsIceland> #sidebar1 div table tr td { height: 25px; }
[09:19] <MsIceland> hash for an id :)
[09:21] <gonzorob> ok.. just undoing something i just tried (and failed) :)
[09:21] <gonzorob> so, i should add that to the style sheet ?
[09:22] <MsIceland> in the style section of your page
[09:22] <MsIceland> or a stylesheet, yes
[09:23] <gonzorob> didnt know you could assign td values in the style section :)
[09:24] <^^> as far as i know you can assign all kinds of values in your stylesheet, as long
[09:25] <MsIceland> yah
[09:26] <MsIceland> good idea to add classnames or id's to your elements
[09:26] <MsIceland> when the page gets more complex
[09:26] <gonzorob> hmm, doesnt seem to work :/
[09:26] <gonzorob> however, by this stage, i dont have too much faith on my html abilities ;)
[09:28] <gonzorob> I think starting this page again will drive me insane heh
[09:29] <gonzorob> ^^ : transfer failed...
[09:29] <MsIceland> that bottomfiller icon is a fixed height
[09:29] <^^> if you got a msn address, i can send you there, my dcc doesnt work very well
[09:30] <MsIceland> crazy browsers
[09:30] <MsIceland> :/
[09:30] <gonzorob> just fire it to robin@beatninkgames.co.uk
[09:31] <gonzorob> yeah , i spend more time getting pages to be compatible than designing the
[09:31] <gonzorob> dreamweaver has a 'compatability' check.. which is about as helpful as a c
[09:31] <MsIceland> hey that page transition thing is cool
[09:31] <MsIceland> i'm doing something similar for a current project but its not going to be
[09:32] <MsIceland> haha
[09:33] <MsIceland> i must admit it gives me a bit of vertigo when it scrolls
[09:33] <gonzorob> yeah, it looks lots better when the background is black - doesnt make you
[09:33] <MsIceland> but on a newer computer it wouldn't flicker so much
[09:33] <MsIceland> ah
[09:33] <gonzorob> i can slow it down also
[09:34] <gonzorob> moo tools is fantastic
[09:34] <gonzorob> i just dont think they work very well with IE6
[09:34] <gonzorob> ill make an IE 6 compliant page, just the same without the moo.fx
[09:36] <MsIceland> ie6 still has a 10% lead over ie7 users atm
[09:36] <MsIceland> but hopefully ie6 browsers will be wiped off the internet soon
[09:37] <gonzorob> yeah, IE is such a pain the balls
[09:37] <gonzorob> i think the programmers were snorting meth when they made that
[09:37] <MsIceland> haha
[09:38] <MsIceland> M$ just tries to deviate from standards
[09:38] <gonzorob> yeah, look where that's got us :)
[09:38] <gonzorob> aghhh
[09:38] <gonzorob> this is really pissing me off
[09:38] <MsIceland> hm
[09:39] <TBF> And yet they dominate the market ...
[09:40] <Cyranix0r> isn't there a page out there somewhere like, www.internetexplorersucks.co
[09:40] <MsIceland> considering most people have no choice TBF
[09:40] <TBF> It's not in their sole interest to do things "properly", it would make it easie
[09:40] <Arrakis> and considering
[09:40] <Arrakis> if it wasn't for ms
[09:40] <gonzorob> yeah, i love the fact that ive bitched about MS for over 15 years... and w
[09:40] <Arrakis> nobody would have support for full CSS
[09:40] <Arrakis> nobody would have XMLHTTP on client side
[09:40] <Arrakis> nobody would have XSLT on client side
[09:40] <Arrakis> i mean face it
[09:41] <MsIceland> somebody else would have come up with it Arrakis
[09:41] <Arrakis> it took Microsoft dominating the web browser world for 7 years before Netsc
[09:41] <MsIceland> shut your faggot ass M$ fan boy lips
[09:41] <Arrakis> decent js support
[09:41] <Arrakis> or d ecent xslt support
[09:41] <gonzorob> who thought it'd be a bad idea to make table height a norm... or allowing
[09:41] <Arrakis> that would be your "standardized w3c team"
[09:41] <Arrakis> who thought it was a bad idea to also have a standardized graphics and fil
[09:42] <MsIceland> you're always wanking off to Microsoft products
[09:42] <Arrakis> when MS tried to standardize their Graphic filters which were trying to fil
[09:42] <MsIceland> leave that shit in #asp.net
[09:42] <Arrakis> and then given the fact that for a decade MS and the world wanted to use t
[09:42] <Arrakis> and 10 years later the W3C says "oh you were right microsoft"
[09:42] <Arrakis> and add it to the latest CSS3 specs
[09:42] <MsIceland> the fact remains that because of M$ browsers, a lot of web developers are
[09:42] <Arrakis> a/a lot/very few/
[09:43] <MsIceland> regardless of your dribble
[09:43] <Arrakis> 97% of the web bdevelopers are happy
[09:43] <Arrakis> just a few are very loud
[09:43] <MsIceland> oh yeah fucking right
[09:43] <MsIceland> what kind of bubble are you living in
[09:43] <Arrakis> and fail to realize that up until 3 years ago
[09:43] <Arrakis> Mozilla/Gecko was the worst failure for a browser
[09:43] <MsIceland> that was then, this is now
[09:43] <MsIceland> now shut your hole
[09:43] <gonzorob> haha
[09:43] <Arrakis> ....
[09:43] <Arrakis> you know
[09:43] <Arrakis> people need to learn to not be totally rude
[09:44] <Arrakis> its one thing to disagree
[09:44] <gonzorob> Arrakis - please lend your passion to solving my problem ;)
[09:44] <Arrakis> but "shut your hole"
[09:44] <Arrakis> what is your problem?
[09:44] <gonzorob> http://www.beatnikgames.co.uk/test
[09:44] <gonzorob> icons are spaced out in FF2 ... not in IE7
[09:44] <Arrakis> and which one is desired behavior
[09:45] <gonzorob> IE7
[09:45] <Arrakis> umm
[09:45] <MsPunjab> stop banning msisland
[09:45] <Arrakis> looks the same in IE 6
[09:45] <MsPunjab> :(
[09:45] <Arrakis> ......
[09:45] <gonzorob> they need to line up to the text in the .gif on the first page...
[09:45] <gonzorob> i use vista (for my shame) so i cant check with IE6
[09:45] <Arrakis> vertica-align?
[09:46] <Arrakis> umm
[09:46] <Arrakis> wtf
[09:46] <Arrakis> the text
[09:46] <Arrakis> is one big fucking image
[09:46] <gonzorob> yeah, thats just for test purposes
[09:47] <Arrakis> and you're using a table
[09:47] <Arrakis> to try to line up the icons
[09:47] <Arrakis> with a static image
[09:47] <Arrakis> wtf
[09:47] <Arrakis> dude
[09:47] <Arrakis> that is not the way you do that
[09:47] <gonzorob> use divs all the way ?
[09:47] <Arrakis> create a <ul> <li><a href="" > <img text </a><
[09:47] <Arrakis> for your menu
[09:48] <larry25> arrakis
[09:48] <TBF> [17:41] <MsIceland> shut your faggot ass M$ fan boy lips
[09:48] <TBF> lol
[09:48] <larry25> I <3 you
[09:48] <TBF> Clearly someone hasn't yet had to work on a 'real' site.
[09:48] <larry25> females dont say "faggot"
[09:48] <TBF> That chap probably blocks IE users ;-)
[09:48] <Arrakis> rofl
[09:48] <gonzorob> haha
[09:49] <gonzorob> nice
[09:49] <larry25> I found out how to test is a female on IRC is really a female
[09:49] <larry25> I figured it out
[09:49] <larry25> finally
[09:49] <TBF> By asking them why they think they are less than three, you?
[09:49] <larry25> na call them a c*nt
[09:49] <larry25> see if they go ballistic
[09:49] <Arrakis> lmao
[09:49] <TBF> I find that question breaks their logic circuit :p
[09:49] <Arrakis> cause woemn hate being called cunts
[09:49] <larry25> they HATEEE IT
[09:49] <larry25> lol
[09:49] <TBF> larry25, why are you less than three, you?
[09:50] <larry25> I'm just being honest
[09:50] <larry25> there's only 3 things guaranteed in life
[09:50] <Cyranix0r> larry25: easier test... Ask a common sense question...
[09:50] <gonzorob> Arrakis: so create a list for the menu ... any other tips ?
[09:50] <larry25> death, taxes and if you call a female a cunt they will kill you
[09:50] <Cyranix0r> "What do m*crosoft and a halter top have in common"
[09:50] <larry25> i dunno
[09:50] * TBF ponders
[09:50] <Cyranix0r> neither one have any kind of support.
[09:51] <larry25> ooo
[09:51] * TBF slaps Cyranix0r with some wet noodles
[09:51] <^^> both offer very little support
[09:51] <gonzorob> hehe
[09:51] <^^> :P
[09:51] <larry25> yeah that's safer than my way
[09:51] <Arrakis> lol
[09:51] <larry25> :o
[09:55] <gonzorob> hmm
[09:56] <gonzorob> the list creation puts the images on a bullet point and shifts them to the
[09:57] <Arrakis> take the bullets off
[09:57] <Arrakis> with list-style-type:none;
[09:57] <Arrakis> and you can take the margin and padding off too
[09:57] <Arrakis> off of the ul and li
[09:57] <Arrakis> and then go forward if you think you need some
[09:59] <gonzorob> sorry, never used lists before... do I add the list-style-type to the <
[09:59] <kilomang> ul
[10:00] <kilomang> btw you can just google these and see examples
[10:00] <gonzorob> :)
[10:00] <gonzorob> doing that as we speak ;)
[10:00] <kilomang> w3schools.com > *
[10:02] <gonzorob> :)
[10:04] <Arrakis> ul
[10:10] <gonzorob> well
[10:11] <gonzorob> even with the UL, there's still a gap inbetween the images
[10:11] <gonzorob> it now doesnt even show the images on IE :/
[10:11] <gonzorob> just works with firefox - hmm
[10:13] <gonzorob> might just start again
[10:13] <gonzorob> so i do it right next time, how would people suggest I lay out the page
[10:16] <Arrakis> all thats to that page is an unordered list for the menu
[10:16] <Arrakis> and a background image that hangs to the right
[10:17] <gonzorob> for you, does the menu move the page?
[10:17] <Arrakis> Move?
[10:17] <Arrakis> like make me cry?
[10:17] <gonzorob> haha
[10:17] <gonzorob> no
[10:17] <gonzorob> does the moo.fx work ?
[10:18] <gonzorob> when you click the icons ...
[10:18] <Arrakis> oh
[10:18] <Arrakis> nothing worlked or happened when i clicked icons
[10:18] <Arrakis> i got js errors on all the browsers i tried it in
[10:19] <gonzorob> you using ie 6?
[10:19] <Arrakis> 6/.7/ff23
[10:19] <gonzorob> oh, all of them :)
[10:19] <gonzorob> dang
[10:19] <gonzorob> back to the start
[10:19] <gonzorob> its odd how on some browers it works fine, on others it just dies
[10:20] <Arrakis> if you do it right
[10:20] <Arrakis> it just works on all/most browsers
[10:20] <Arrakis> what was the moo.fx supposed to do?
[10:20] <gonzorob> well, you click the icon and it uses FX.scroll to slide to another page
[10:20] <Arrakis> i see
[10:21] <gonzorob> it looks good .... when it works :/
[10:21] <gonzorob> http://weplaythis.com/features
[10:21] <gonzorob> liek the javascript in that
[10:22] <gonzorob> (except, that works...)
[10:22] <Arrakis> and takes forever to load
[10:22] <Arrakis> lol
[10:22] <Arrakis> and doesnt look to great on remote desktop or vnc
[10:23] <gonzorob> loading times arent too bad ;)
[10:23] <gonzorob> better than flash
[10:24] <gonzorob> also, what % of people surfing the web are using VNC ?
[10:25] <Arrakis> i dunno know
[10:25] <Arrakis> i do
[10:25] <Arrakis> and thats all that counts
[10:25] <Arrakis> :p
[10:25] <Arrakis> act8aly im on remote desktop
[10:25] <gonzorob> hehe
[10:25] <gonzorob> well, i'm going to start again
[10:26] <gonzorob> thanks for the help
[10:26] <gonzorob> cheerio
[13:10] <Matt`> has anyone noticed that anchors contained within absolutley positioned elemen
[13:12] <Cyranix0r> in IE or everything else?
[13:13] <Matt`> ie only
[13:14] <Cyranix0r> well why are you surprised
[13:14] <Matt`> correction*
[13:14] <Matt`> FF
[13:14] <Cyranix0r> IE doesn't render CSS properly in the first place, and second of all, it
[13:14] <Matt`> ugh tell me something more obvious
[13:14] <Cyranix0r> I've never noticed the problem in FF, you have an example handy?
[13:14] <Matt`> and it's broken in FF anyway
[14:03] <UnixD0g> hey guys, someone know some doc about wich html tags use when create an web
[14:08] <UnixD0g> i want to be w3c compilant
[14:17] <demosthen> hey all, is it possible for an html form to submit both the caption and t
[14:22] <Matt`> why would my sidebar navigation be going under the main content on hover? ht
[14:24] <Cyranix0r> it looks fine to me
[14:25] <Cyranix0r> nvm, I see what you're talking about
[14:26] <Cyranix0r> looks like a z-index problem
[14:27] <Matt`> only way I fixed it was giving #main a negative z-index, but then I cant see
[14:27] <Matt`> #main is everything on the right of the sidebar
[14:29] <UnixD0g> one more question guys, im showing an thumb screenshot in my website and wh
[14:31] <Cyranix0r> Matt`: <h3 class="org fn">Ken Shaw Lexus Toyota</h3>
[14:32] <Cyranix0r> your class is wrong, and I don't see either org or fn declared anywhere
[14:33] <Cyranix0r> I mean, I'm not sure thats absolutely causing the problem
[14:34] <Cyranix0r> UnixD0g: better way to do it would be to use javascript: in the href
[14:34] <UnixD0g> mmm
[14:34] <Matt`> Cyranix0r: that class is a vcard class, not css
[14:34] <UnixD0g> will search google about it
[14:34] <UnixD0g> let me check
[14:34] <Cyranix0r> e.g. <a href="javascript: window.open('http://127.0.0.1/domain.com/ima
[14:34] <UnixD0g> oh, ok
[14:34] <UnixD0g> will try it
[14:34] <UnixD0g> thanks
[14:34] <Matt`> therefore it is correct, and not causing any problem whatsoever
[14:39] <UnixD0g> i get [object] result when click on the link :S
[14:39] <UnixD0g> but the pupup works
[14:39] <UnixD0g> :D
[14:41] <UnixD0g> oh, added target="_blank" and works
[14:41] <Cyranix0r> Matt`: well I dunno man, I'd stick around to help, but I'm supposed to go
[14:41] <Cyranix0r> but its probably something related to that
[14:42] <UnixD0g> is OK to use _blanck?
[14:42] * skeelo is now known as SKEELo
[14:43] <Matt`> Cyranix0r: As I said Cyranix0r, it is *not* related to that, obviously you ar
[14:53] <UnixD0g> found an nice example in google
[14:53] <UnixD0g> thanks the popuot are working great
[15:05] <Matt`> why would my sidebar navigation be going under the main content on hover? ht
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[16:02] * Topic is '<hat01> is it possible to find computer name from html'
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[16:18] <turrican> I need to align a DIV at "most" bottom of the screen... this test http://b
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[16:41] <Drule> How can I make sure my site is IE6 compatible while having later versions of
[16:43] <spank> install virtual pc
[16:43] <spank> throw a copy of xp on it
[16:43] <spank> then don't update the browser
[16:43] <Drule> There's got to be a better way. I don't have XP.
[16:44] <Drule> And I probably don't have the resources to run Virtual PC either.
[16:44] <spank> pirate a copy
[16:44] <harvard> Any idea why my site, www.playedonline.com doesn't load gradually in IE? It
[16:57] <Takodo> i'm having issues getting a website looking right i both ie and firefox, i'm
[16:57] <PC> heh
[16:58] <PC> you can get XP with an old coumputer
[16:58] <PC> you could probably buy an old computer with an XP CD for $50
[16:59] <PC> forget i said anything
[16:59] <PC> that is totally off the HTML topic
[16:59] <PC> but one of the ops gave some advice
[16:59] <PC> heh
[17:20] <Drule> So my page is kind of screwed up in IE6. It has something to do with the floa
[17:20] <Drule> http://www.astrojone.net/
[17:20] <Drule> Any ideas?
[18:51] * Ize is now known as ize
[19:36] <userme> i need to design only one page, static website.. do you have any sample/temp
[19:37] <kilomang> sure
[19:38] <kilomang> google.com --> css templates
[19:38] <kilomang> help yourself pizzabohy
[19:45] <userme> kilomang i know i can find many but what i need is so specific.. one page on
[19:47] <kilomang> then make one your own?
[19:53] <userme> kilomang if you do not want to help then it is fine
[19:53] <userme> just ignore me
[19:54] <kilomang> ???
[19:54] <kilomang> you said you wanted templates
[19:54] <kilomang> i helped
[19:54] <kilomang> you're being vague.
[19:54] <userme> well thanks for your help
[22:08] <light2> hey
[22:18] <joobie> guys what is a token?
[22:18] <joobie> is it <html> or is it < ?
[22:19] <diabolic> neither?
[22:20] <joobie> what is it?
[23:24] <ad0le> ie7 seems to ignore the style of the <legend> for a given <fieldset&
[23:24] <ad0le> anyone familiar with this or know a workaround?
[23:28] <hydroxy> how could I make an option in a select statement go over 2 lines?
Session Close: Sat Dec 29 00:00:00 2007