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Session Start: Sat Apr 14 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #html
[00:20] <tekny> hep, anyone alive?
[00:41] <kwon2> tekny ?
[00:41] <kwon2> yea
[01:47] <spajnal> Hello. Is it possible to position an image above a flashmovie?
[01:48] <kwon2> why not
[01:48] <kwon2> just put the flash movie below the img
[01:49] <spajnal> on top of* ;p
[01:50] <kwon2> right
[01:50] <kwon2> put flash below img
[01:51] <kwon2> you said you want img above right
[01:51] <spajnal> well, do I suck at explaining? ;P imagine two layers.. I want to image to b
[01:52] <spajnal> cause now I've linked an image but it doesn't work in firefox or opera sinc
[01:52] <kwon2> oh
[01:52] <kwon2> you want to layer it
[01:52] <kwon2> just absolute position it
[01:53] <spajnal> oh ok, doesn't z-index work without position:absolute?
[01:53] <kwon2> did you try it>?
[01:54] <spajnal> tried without, yes.. going to try to absolute position it now
[01:54] <kwon2> uh huh
[02:22] * b`ki is now known as boki
[03:52] <evtlog> lo, I am writing some content (generated) to a generated iframe, via content
[04:14] <webben> evtlog, sounds like a complex problem ... don't you have a URL for that?
[04:16] <evtlog> webben, turned out I have to call .close() after a .write() :D
[04:40] <XXXmike> Hi my friends . i would like to ask you if i can have three fieldset legend
[04:40] <DRONIUS> FUCK OFF FAGGIT
[04:41] <XXXmike> Was (s)he talking to me ?
[04:43] <evtlog> XXXmike, well, if he was, then you should feel good now
[04:43] <XXXmike> hm ok
[04:46] <XXXmike> Ok , do u know how to help me ?
[04:48] <evtlog> sorry not deep knowledge about legends
[04:51] <XXXmike> um ok
[05:00] <evtlog> ok .. in iframe, after document.write(), a document.close() doesn't seem to
[08:47] <Nqkoi^_^> hi people
[08:48] <Nqkoi^_^> could you help me to solve a problem ?
[08:52] <Nqkoi^_^> anyone ?
[08:53] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, Don't ask to ask on support channels on IRC. Just ask your questio
[08:53] <webben> state your problem as clearly as possible
[08:54] <Nqkoi^_^> ok, I am trying to fix an old site. It is framed. google indexed its navig
[08:55] <Nqkoi^_^> and when it is loaded into the browser and you click on some of the links
[08:55] <Nqkoi^_^> is there a way to tell google to index "index.html" and not the navigation
[09:10] <moijk> google for robots.txt
[09:10] <Nqkoi^_^> ok - thanks
[09:17] <Nqkoi^_^> normally the index page of the site should be loaded first and I wonder wh
[09:19] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, maybe somebody sensibly linked to index.html instead of your frame
[09:20] <webben> since navigation frames break usability
[09:20] <webben> google pays a lot of attention to links
[09:20] <webben> also the filename may be significant
[09:22] <Nqkoi^_^> I will have it in mind
[09:23] <Nqkoi^_^> but I am not obligated to use always robots.txt, am I ?
[09:23] <moijk> anyone with safari?
[09:23] <moijk> if so - http://forum.mpdemo.no/img.html <- is the images centred when clic
[09:23] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, depends what you mean by "obligated"
[09:23] <webben> nobody's forcing you to tell robots what to do
[09:26] <Nqkoi^_^> webben>as I know that usually the index page is main I should not tell
[09:26] <webben> sorry, not sure what you're asking
[09:27] <Nqkoi^_^> I am sorry - it should be my english :)
[09:28] <Nqkoi^_^> I mean that the main page of every site is its index.html - am I right ?
[09:29] <webben> no
[09:29] <webben> it's just quite common
[09:29] <Nqkoi^_^> hmmm
[09:29] <webben> so conceivably might be part of google's algorithm
[09:30] <Nqkoi^_^> so instead of index.html I can give the main page the name of the ... site
[09:31] <bl0wm3> any webdevelopers around interested in bidding on a project
[09:31] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, i'm sure you could yes
[09:31] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, but i probably would just use proper navigation in the first place
[09:32] <webben> especially if i cared about seo
[09:32] <webben> since not using proper navigation makes it harder to link to your content
[09:32] <webben> which means a lower ranking in search engines
[09:32] <Nqkoi^_^> but ... it seems to be ok
[09:33] <webben> ok for what?
[09:33] <Nqkoi^_^> everything works as it should - to problem only is that google indexed jus
[09:33] <webben> for what keyword is it okay?
[09:34] <webben> what's the url for this site?
[09:34] <Nqkoi^_^> for the navigation
[09:35] <webben> Shame there's no text content for Google to index
[09:36] <webben> you should use an alt attribute on embed
[09:36] <webben> (well you shouldn't be using embed at all, but more importantly you should u
[09:36] <Nqkoi^_^> have you loaded the index page ?
[09:37] <webben> yes
[09:37] <webben> you might also look into constructing a Google sitemap
[09:37] <webben> and using the LINK element to indicate the structure of your site
[09:38] <Nqkoi^_^> I am trying to fix this stupid site - it is build by someone else and than
[09:38] <webben> http://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/ and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
[09:38] <webben> meh ... i'd have just rebuilt the site with PHP include() or SSI instead of
[09:39] <Nqkoi^_^> the server does not support it
[09:39] <Nqkoi^_^> I was thinking about CSS :)
[09:39] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, The server doesn't support /any/ scripting languages?
[09:39] <webben> not even perl?
[09:39] <Nqkoi^_^> yep - it does not support anything
[09:39] <moijk> Nqkoi^_^: scrap the host
[09:39] <Nqkoi^_^> it is free server
[09:39] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, There are free servers with PHP and Perl support.
[09:40] <Nqkoi^_^> sure
[09:40] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, Also, in that case, I'd include the navigation manually at the dev
[09:40] <webben> you can always use SSI on a localhost Apache until you're ready
[09:40] <Nqkoi^_^> as tables ?
[09:40] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, eh? no
[09:41] <webben> it's just a list
[09:41] <webben> 5 items
[09:41] <webben> with the list floated left
[09:41] <Nqkoi^_^> aah
[09:41] <webben> i can't see the rest of the content cos i don't have flash installed
[09:42] <Nqkoi^_^> aah
[09:42] <Nqkoi^_^> do you want me to paste you urls of the other links
[09:42] <webben> no no
[09:42] <Nqkoi^_^> :)) ok
[09:43] <Nqkoi^_^> anyway thanks - I will read the things you pointed me and see what can I d
[09:45] <webben> i want you to add alt text to your embed elements so i know what they are su
[09:45] <webben> e.g. http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/temp/left.htm
[09:45] <webben> where i give the first one alternative text: "Hello world"
[09:46] <Nqkoi^_^> hmm is it important ?
[09:47] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, only if you want your page to be used
[09:47] <webben> http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/temp/lyra.png
[09:47] <Nqkoi^_^> I usually use empty alt"" in the IMG tag
[09:47] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, Well that's wrong, obviously.
[09:47] <Nqkoi^_^> huh
[09:47] <webben> Nqkoi^_^, read http://www.w3.org/QA/Tips/altAttribute
[09:48] <webben> only use "" when the image is purely decorative
[09:48] <webben> not when it communicates or is content
[09:48] <webben> and here you haven't used alt=""
[09:48] <webben> you haven't used alt at all for embed
[09:48] <Nqkoi^_^> it is not me :) someone else - but I have to fix it
[09:48] <webben> well, then fixing this is part of what you can do :)
[09:49] <Nqkoi^_^> I will
[09:49] <Nqkoi^_^> there were not alt on the img tags and I just added these empty alt attrib
[09:50] <webben> That's great ... if the images are purely decorative
[09:50] <webben> i don't see any decorative images on those pages
[09:50] <webben> i see an image of the band which could be labelled with a text alternative
[09:50] <webben> e.g. alt="The band with their instruments"
[09:50] <webben> or something
[09:51] <webben> and in the corner a logo which could be "Lyra"
[09:51] <Nqkoi^_^> this is a little secret advice to me :)
[09:51] <Nqkoi^_^> clarifying the things
[09:52] <webben> actually the image borders
[09:52] <webben> like between "Folk band Lyra"
[09:52] <webben> and the photo
[09:52] <webben> and beneath the photo
[09:52] <webben> those should be alt=""
[09:53] <webben> (although these would be better done with CSS background-image anyhow)
[09:53] <Nqkoi^_^> got it ;)
[09:53] <Nqkoi^_^> now I understand why people don't want to fix someones work :)
[09:55] <Nqkoi^_^> webben> the advice I got to use empty alt attributes is not to have thi
[09:56] <Nqkoi^_^> but your explanation is more logical
[09:57] <webben> always use an alt attribute; use "" for decorative; use text for non-decorat
[09:57] <webben> also only IE uses alt for pop-ups; sane browsers don't
[09:58] <Nqkoi^_^> I wish people stop using IE :)
[10:18] <Nqkoi^_^> later guys and thanks
[10:19] <CNU> why can't i do <textarea name="something" /> ?
[10:21] <webben> CNU, Because of how browsers parse HTML IIRC.
[10:21] <CNU> hmm what's IIRC?
[10:21] <webben> CNU, I suggest using HTML instead of serving XHTML and telling browsers to p
[10:22] <webben> CNU, if i recall correctly
[10:22] <CNU> what do you mean with "instead of serving XHTML and telling browsers to parse i
[10:23] <CNU> that my XHTML isn't valid, or that XHTML is bad?
[10:23] <webben> XHTML isn't bad, although it is pointless until either a) IE supports it or
[10:24] <webben> for an explanation see: http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/web-design/wh
[10:24] <CNU> okay thank you
[10:24] <webben> CNU, Strictly speaking, talking of validity requirements for XHTML served as
[10:25] <webben> it's "valid" in so far as the validator pretends it's being served XHTML not
[10:26] <CNU> hmm what does that mean? my english isn't really good
[10:26] <webben> CNU, Are you familiar with mime types like text/html and application/xhtml+x
[10:27] <CNU> yes
[10:27] <webben> right well essentially the validator ignores the mime type you actually use
[10:28] <webben> and pretends that XHTML 1.0 documents served as text/html were in fact serve
[10:28] <webben> and tries to parse the document as XHTML
[10:28] <webben> that's not what browsers do
[10:28] <CNU> oh i see
[10:28] <webben> also, the W3C refuses to say how browsers should handle XHTML served as text
[10:28] <webben> there are no conformance requirements for it
[10:28] <webben> and it only works /at all/ because of bugs in how said browsers handle HTML!
[10:31] <CNU> so XHTML without xhtml+xml is kinda pointless then?
[10:37] <CNU> well thanks for the help, it worked nice when i changed content-type
[10:39] <Bomb`> Whats the correct way to embed quicktime movies... I heard thats a flaw with
[12:19] <Bomb`> I'm trying to rotate images.. if I remove the var rotator2 the image rotates,
[12:23] <sno> because it hates u 1
[12:23] <sno> !
[12:24] <Bomb`> Good, I welcome hatred!
[12:24] <sno> hehe
[12:24] <sno> :)
[12:24] <sno> go0d!
[12:25] <Bomb`> Any ideas how to sort the issue out?
[12:45] <Nickelodi> hey guys
[12:45] <Nickelodi> i have a question how do i set <td> bgimg?
[12:45] <Nickelodi> it can be done?
[12:54] * Maud`Dib is now known as Arrakis
[13:24] <StarQuest> is there any way to force a link <a href> to open in a new tab inst
[13:37] <ManiaMan> Hey my friends do you know how can I put 3 three legends in one row ?
[13:53] <blizeH> does the G6 have a patch that lets you use real time saves or cheats yet lik
[14:45] <Bomb`> I need hosting, which companies are the best in the field?
[15:17] * bk123456 is now known as bknitram
[15:29] <kiz|PDx> is there a simple way to implement rounded corners on my website?
[15:51] <moijk> ofcourse, just use some gifs and place them accordingly
[15:51] <moijk> ;)
[16:03] * bk123456 is now known as bknitram
[16:25] * Maud`Dib is now known as Arrakis
[16:35] <_shifty> hi...is there an html tag i can put in index.html that will just list the c
[16:35] <gauze> no
[16:36] <_shifty> i have a seperate directory on my website with just a load of pic files and
[16:37] <gauze> that's a job of your HTTP server
[16:37] <_shifty> yeah i guess the server doesnt allow it
[16:37] <_shifty> this sucks
[16:38] <gauze> what http server is it?
[16:38] <_shifty> i dont run the server locally
[16:38] <gauze> apache I think will alloow an override in .htaccess file
[16:38] <_shifty> it's my hosting providers server
[16:38] <gauze> so?
[16:38] <_shifty> it's a linux server, prolly apache
[16:38] <gauze> ok then
[16:40] <_shifty> i dont have access to the server configuration
[16:40] <_shifty> im just a user
[18:11] <EloX> how do I make a straight line? lol :P you never remember the simple things, he
[18:11] * bk123456 is now known as bknitram
[18:14] <diabolic> <hr>
[18:27] <Chatmasta> ive got an iframe that opens a url with an anchor on the end of it, but w
[18:29] <Chatmasta> anyone know why?
[18:31] <kwon2> show code
[18:31] <Chatmasta> for the iframe?
[18:31] <Chatmasta> <iframe src="http://www.ups.com/dropoff?loc=en_US#cssnav" scrolling="n
[18:34] <kwon2> opens a url with an anchor on the end of it
[18:34] <kwon2> i dont quite understand that
[18:34] <kwon2> what do you mean by that
[18:34] <Chatmasta> there is junk at the top that i dont want displaying in the iframe
[18:34] <Chatmasta> but the problem is, when i go to the page with the iframe on it, instead
[18:34] <kwon2> got a url ?
[18:34] <Chatmasta> www.shipping-centers.info
[18:35] <Chatmasta> i bet theres a line of JS that would do it
[18:35] <kwon2> ok so it jumps directly to your iframe at the bottom of the page right ?
[18:35] <kwon2> onload >?
[18:35] <Chatmasta> yes
[18:36] <Chatmasta> that is the problem
[18:38] <kwon2> hrm
[18:38] <kwon2> did you try taking #cssnav off the end of your url
[18:38] <Chatmasta> well that will fix it, yes, but i dont want the junk at the top of the if
[18:39] <spank> well, you're loading an entirely separate website into an iframe, you can't c
[18:39] <Chatmasta> i know...but all im doing is loading it from #cssnav down
[18:39] <spank> no, you're anchoring at that location
[18:39] <spank> you're still loading the entire website
[18:40] <Chatmasta> yeah i know
[18:40] <Chatmasta> but i dont want them to see the entire website
[18:40] <spank> well... too bad
[18:40] <Chatmasta> ....what?
[18:40] <Chatmasta> you can load an iframe at an anchor of that remote site, but it shouldnt
[18:40] <Chatmasta> that is the problem
[18:40] <spank> that's the point of an anchor
[18:41] <Chatmasta> yeah but not when its in an iframe
[18:41] <kwon2> hrm
[18:41] <kwon2> its still an anchor
[18:41] <kwon2> an onpage anchor at that
[18:42] <Chatmasta> but the anchor should only affect the iframe, not the whole page
[18:42] <kwon2> hrm
[18:42] <kwon2> 'should' probably isnt the right word
[18:42] <spank> you're calling to an anchor from an iframe, which is going to set focus on th
[18:42] <kwon2> possible is
[18:43] <kwon2> yup
[18:43] <kwon2> its what anchors do
[18:43] <Chatmasta> well then is there a way to make the content in the iframe focus on that
[18:43] <Chatmasta> there has to be...
[18:43] <spank> does this page have any relevance other than to collect revenue from ads?
[18:44] <kwon2> what your trying to do can not be done via HTML only your trying to have dyna
[18:44] <Chatmasta> spank, nope.
[18:44] <Chatmasta> but i just did it
[18:44] <Chatmasta> after the iframe: <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0; URL=http://ww
[18:45] <kwon2> after?
[18:45] <Chatmasta> well it might not matter if i put it after the iframe or not
[18:45] <Chatmasta> but i did
[18:47] <Chatmasta> yeah i just put it in the <head> tag
[18:47] <Chatmasta> works great :)
[19:37] * bk123456 is now known as bknitram
[20:44] <jenj> can someone help me find a ebook using google
[20:44] <jenj> i'll paypal you $5 for a 2 second work :)
[20:48] <Arrakis> lolz
[20:49] <happydude> if it takes me 10 seconds, do i get $25
[20:50] <lenix\> hmm
[20:50] <lenix\> thats a good deal
[20:54] <jenj> haha
[20:54] <jenj> very clever
[20:54] <jenj> desperate buyers only ebook
[20:54] <jenj> google that and get it for me plz ;)
[20:55] <happydude> why can't you google it?
[20:55] <jenj> haha
[20:55] <jenj> I tried
[20:55] <jenj> can't find it
[20:56] <happydude> guess you're outta luck then
[20:56] <jenj> ya
[20:56] <jenj> :\
[20:57] <jenj> man this chick is hot
[20:57] <jenj> http://kennubo.blogspot.com/2007/04/babe-of-day-12.html
[20:58] <Rai> Sup all
[20:59] <lenix\> jpg virus
[20:59] <lenix\> omg
[21:00] <Rai> I'm trying to validate my html page for my class project and I'm getting errors
[21:00] <Rai> I dont have the css or images up
[21:00] <Rai> just the htm file etc
[21:00] <happydude> why are you using xhtml?
[21:00] <Rai> what the class called for
[21:00] <happydude> why?
[21:01] <Rai> Cause that's what is covered in the 101 class
[21:02] <happydude> so they tell you to use it, but don't tell you why?
[21:02] <Rai> Well we're using xhtml because they tell us it is the next thing on the block a
[21:03] <Rai> So any idea why the list isn't validating?
[21:03] <happydude> lol your teacher is an idiot
[21:04] <Rai> wouldn't suprise me in the least
[21:06] <Rai> So any help on the problem at hand Happydude?
[21:07] <happydude> nested lists need to be within li's
[21:09] <Rai> alright, thanks
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[21:10] * Topic is '#html - Google first. No Frontpage, Dreamweaver, CMS, MySpace, eBay, shitty Fla
[21:10] * Set by spank!~spank@c-75-71-2-168.hsd1.co.comcast.net on Sat Mar 24 12:38:55
Session Close: Sun Apr 15 00:00:00 2007