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Session Start: Fri Apr 13 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #html
[02:22] * b`ki is now known as boki
[04:31] <Jake22> hi, can firefox be configured not to send referer info
[07:39] <j2000> hi.. best way to embed a wmv these days please?
[07:39] <trovster> Use Flash
[08:01] <j2000> without flash
[08:02] <quisling> flash is the most reliable method to deploy video on a site.
[08:03] <quisling> http://www.google.com/search?q=html+embed+wmv
[08:03] <quisling> http://cit.ucsf.edu/embedmedia/step2.php?mediatype=WindowsMedia
[08:10] <mTk-Away> Hey there.
[08:11] <mTk-Away> I need to make a link area size of X*Y. I made a link tag and put div tag
[08:11] <trovster> Right.
[08:11] <trovster> Validate.
[08:11] <quisling> mTk-Away, url?
[08:12] <trovster> heh, why does that really make <a><div></div></a>
[08:12] <mTk-Away> quisling: It's not online yet.
[08:12] <quisling> <a style="display:block; height:50px; width:50px;" href="http://www.goo
[08:13] <quisling> pretty simple.
[08:13] <trovster> So, you want to STYLE the anchor in to a BLOCK with a HEIGHT and WIDTH
[08:13] <mTk-Away> Oh, got to try that block.
[08:14] <mTk-Away> IE still doesn't display the hand cursor... the link itself works, tho.
[08:15] <trovster> the POINTER cursor?
[08:15] <mTk-Away> Mouse cursor, yes.
[08:15] <trovster> Oh, he replied to me...
[08:15] <trovster> wierd.
[08:16] <quisling> mice have lots of cursors
[08:18] <j2000> custom pointer: http://www.1-click.jp/
[08:19] <mTk-Away> I just want a regular hand cursor to appear when mouse is on the link.
[08:19] <trovster> <a style="display:block; height:50px; width:50px;" href="http://www.goo
[08:19] <trovster> The POINTER cursor.
[08:20] <mTk-Away> The POINTER cursor?
[08:20] <diabolic> that's what <a> gives you
[08:20] <diabolic> ..
[08:20] <trovster> YEs.
[08:20] <trovster> You keep saying HAND
[08:20] <mTk-Away> Well excuse me!
[08:20] <trovster> that is maybe what it looks like
[08:20] <trovster> and
[08:20] <trovster> Ah, forget it.
[08:21] <trovster> You know best.
[08:22] <diabolic> it is a hanf
[08:22] <diabolic> hand :D
[08:22] <diabolic> pointer: hand; FTW
[08:22] <diabolic> mouse: HAND;
[08:22] <trovster> clueless
[08:22] <quisling> <a style="display:block; height:50px; width:50px; background-color:#F0F
[08:22] <diabolic> thingy-on-screen: hand;
[08:22] <diabolic> hehe
[08:22] <quisling> by default displays the "hand" cursor
[08:22] <trovster> The pointer cursor...
[08:22] <diabolic> it's a smurf hand
[08:22] <diabolic> not a pointer
[08:22] <diabolic> :[
[08:23] <mTk-Away> quisling: Well, it doesn't.
[08:23] * trovster guesses his still has the div inside.
[08:23] <trovster> ahahahahaha
[08:24] <quisling> http://rafb.net/paste/ < go paste your code
[08:25] <diabolic> pointer
[08:25] <diabolic> The cursor is a pointer that indicates a link.
[08:25] <diabolic> :p
[08:25] <mTk-Away> Or...
[08:25] <mTk-Away> ...is it a hand?
[08:26] <diabolic> should really email them to make it say hand
[08:26] <diabolic> hehe
[08:26] <diabolic> aww
[08:26] <trovster> Already banned from #css for some reason
[08:26] <diabolic> that's probably the reason
[08:26] <Arrakis> ?
[08:26] <diabolic> being a clown
[08:27] <Csharp> in master page when i run the project the content page override the footer h
[08:27] <mTk-Away> What's wrong with you people? &:D
[08:27] <quisling> mTk-Away, did you paste your code?
[08:28] <quisling> Csharp, jesus that's some seriously shitty HTML
[08:28] <mTk-Away> I'll toy around for a while and get back to you later on... got a wee busy
[08:28] <diabolic> :|
[08:28] <trovster> haha
[08:28] <quisling> fuqn tool. :)
[08:28] <Csharp> yes quisling :(
[08:29] <Arrakis> huh?
[08:29] <quisling> Csharp, don't put your footer inside the ContentPlaceHolder
[08:29] <Csharp> aha
[08:29] <Arrakis> the whole point of the master page
[08:29] <Arrakis> is the template goes outside of the content placeholder(s)
[08:29] <Csharp> ok
[08:29] <Arrakis> http://career-resources.dice.com/tech_salary_survey_06.shtml
[08:29] <quisling> <td background="images/bg.gif" style="width: 350%; height: 1435px;">
[08:29] <quisling> fuqn love that HTML.
[08:30] <quisling> Arrakis, I just got an e-mail about a job in NYC for a .NET developer
[08:30] <Csharp> cool quisling
[08:31] <sehh> hey people
[08:31] <Csharp> quisling
[08:31] <Csharp> what should i do
[08:31] <quisling> about what?
[08:31] <quisling> about the HTML?
[08:32] <Csharp> restruct the whole masterpage ?
[08:32] <Csharp> yes
[08:32] <quisling> yeah, go learn CSS
[08:32] <sehh> q: i've got a bunch of <select> tags and i'm using CSS to style them wit
[08:35] <Csharp> thanks quisling
[08:46] * b`ki is now known as boki
[09:16] <Arrakis> sehh - probably have to paste code
[09:16] <Arrakis> because i do that every day and it works fine in all browsers
[09:19] <quisling> he's gone.
[09:19] <Arrakis> ddddddd++
[09:38] <bigLanky> for our company web site... my dad wants us to get submitted somewhere so
[09:38] <bigLanky> what is the best way to go about doing htis
[09:39] <bigLanky> meta name="keywords" content="rivet, cold riveting"/>
[09:39] <bigLanky> i have that tag in my code
[09:41] <quisling> have content related to riveters or generators in your site.
[09:41] <quisling> and use appropriate markup for everything
[09:41] <quisling> keywords are pretty useless.
[09:43] <quisling> and then submit it to google.
[09:51] <sno> anyone alive :)
[09:52] <quisling> yes
[09:52] <Arrakis> no
[09:52] <sno> anyone good with xhtml? :)
[09:54] <Arrakis> just ask the real question / state the real problem
[09:54] * quisling notes it's very likely his question has nothing to do with XHTML.
[09:55] * Arrakis takes note of quisling's notes
[09:56] <quisling> still waiting for a real question...
[09:56] * Arrakis watis also
[09:58] <quisling> sno?
[09:58] <quisling> his tinfoil hat must be on too tight.
[10:00] * Arrakis tunes his receptor
[10:00] <Arrakis> Deflector dish is inoperational sir.
[10:01] <quisling> inoperational?
[10:01] <Arrakis> star trek?
[10:02] <Arrakis> wb
[10:02] <sno> meany!
[10:02] <Arrakis> lol
[10:02] <quisling> slowpoke
[10:02] <sno> im trying to make my image links not blue and i cant figure it out
[10:02] <Arrakis> blue border?
[10:02] <sno> ive read through alot of tutorials hehe
[10:02] <sno> its getting annoying
[10:03] <quisling> <style type="text/css">img { border:0; } </style>
[10:03] <Arrakis> a img { border:0px; }
[10:03] <sno> where would that go
[10:03] <quisling> like I thought, his question has nothing to do with XHTML
[10:03] <quisling> in your stylesheet
[10:03] <sno> im doing it in xhtml
[10:03] <sno> its annoying it has to be validated :(
[10:03] <sno> and im a her not a his mmkay k thx
[10:04] <Arrakis> lol
[10:04] <Arrakis> everybody's a he on irc foo
[10:05] <sno> lol
[10:05] <quisling> sno, XHTML and CSS are not mutually exclusive. they're used together.
[10:05] <sno> not everybody :P
[10:05] <sno> quis that wouldnt validate but it did it
[10:06] <quisling> of course it validates if you do it properly.
[10:06] <Arrakis> trhe <style goes in your <head>
[10:06] <Arrakis> or reove the <style tags and put it in your st ylesheet that you includ
[10:06] <Willingin> in the ie 6 browser i have boxes around my logo and banner and all the ot
[10:07] <Willingin> this is for a webpage i am creating
[10:07] <Arrakis> go look up webfx
[10:07] <Arrakis> and implement the behavior for png
[10:07] <sno> thankies ! :)
[10:08] <sno> were learning xhtml in class im soo use to html
[10:08] <sno> probably really sloppy htmnl hehe
[10:08] <quisling> the only significant differences between HTML and XHTML are a) all lowerca
[10:08] <quisling> it's not rocket science.
[10:09] <sno> its way different tho
[10:09] <sno> to get it validated it was much easier the regular way
[10:09] <quisling> no really, it's not.
[10:09] <quisling> if you have half a clue, adhering to those 4 simple rules isn't that diffi
[10:09] <sno> god why r u so rude
[10:10] <Arrakis> it's strategy
[10:10] <Arrakis> :p
[10:10] <quisling> anything else is from HTML 4.01 Strict
[10:10] <quisling> XHTML 1.0 == HTML 4.01 Strict + the 4 things I mentioned earlier.
[10:10] <quisling> if you can validate HTML 4.01 Strict, then you shouldn't have any problem
[10:10] <quisling> what you should do is ask your prof why you're using XHTML?
[10:11] <sno> why is it not used for anything
[10:11] <sno> isnt it for like mobile phones etc
[10:11] <Arrakis> lo9l
[10:11] <Arrakis> ooh
[10:11] <Arrakis> ur trying to get sno in trouble
[10:11] <Arrakis> :p
[10:11] <sno> i dont care id like to know too really
[10:12] <quisling> is english your second language?
[10:12] <Arrakis> lmao
[10:13] <quisling> sno, what college do you go to?
[10:13] <sno> yessum
[10:13] <sno> uib.no
[10:13] <Arrakis> www.uib.no
[10:14] <sno> why
[10:14] <quisling> hmmmm are you that girl onthe homepage?
[10:14] <Arrakis> hahahah
[10:14] <sno> lol
[10:14] <quisling> guess not.
[10:14] <quisling> r u on myspace?
[10:14] <Arrakis> the chances are like one out of probably
[10:14] <sno> why would i be on a college website homepage?
[10:14] <Arrakis> 10k
[10:14] <quisling> sno, beats me, but you never know.
[10:14] <Arrakis> i don't think snow quite comprhends sarcasm
[10:14] <Arrakis> and humor
[10:15] <quisling> sarcasm + irc + foreign language = not sarcasm
[10:15] <Arrakis> blood damn green blooded vulcan
[10:15] <quisling> sno, do you have pics
[10:15] <quisling> ?
[10:15] <Arrakis> see
[10:16] <Arrakis> this iswhy everybody is a guy on irc
[10:16] <Arrakis> :p
[10:16] <Arrakis> oh
[10:16] <Arrakis> and if he gets a pic
[10:16] <Arrakis> i so want a pic
[10:16] <Arrakis> :p
[10:17] <Arrakis> wtf
[10:17] <Arrakis> you know
[10:18] <Arrakis> some things don't change
[10:18] <Arrakis> whoa
[10:18] <^aCuRa^> how do i download videos from stage6.divx.com ?
[10:18] <Arrakis> acura you probably want #help
[10:22] <Arrakis> great strategy
[10:22] <Arrakis> you scared snow
[10:22] <Arrakis> i hope you're happy :(
[10:22] <quisling> hehehe
[10:22] <quisling> very happy.
[10:23] <Arrakis> more then a feeeeling
[10:26] <sno> i only send pics to hot ircers :P
[10:26] <sno> very few
[10:26] <Arrakis> aww
[10:26] <Arrakis> strategy is a sexy beast
[10:26] <Arrakis> he makes teh women purr
[10:26] <Arrakis> aint that right strategy
[10:27] <quisling> oh yeah.
[10:29] <Arrakis> iis 7 is annoying
[10:29] <Arrakis> the error page doesn't work
[10:29] <quisling> IIS7 = Vista?
[10:30] <Arrakis> yeah
[10:30] <Arrakis> my xp died on my laptop for unknown reasons so I'm using vista
[10:30] <quisling> what error page doesn't work? like redirecting to a default 404 page or so
[10:30] <Arrakis> as my primary dev os
[10:30] <Arrakis> no
[10:30] <Arrakis> you know how asp.net displays the "runtime error"
[10:30] <Arrakis> to see this error set <customError mode="off"
[10:30] <Arrakis> and if you set that property to off in your web.config
[10:30] <Arrakis> then you can see the exception stack trace, etc
[10:31] <Arrakis> well that doesn't work in it :(
[10:31] <Arrakis> turn it off and it just says that an error cocurred
[10:32] <quisling> so add a default error handler in your global.asax to e-mail yourself the
[10:32] <Arrakis> oh i already have it logging errors
[10:32] <Arrakis> but for dev purposes that's not useful
[10:32] <quisling> sno, so where are the pics?
[10:32] <Arrakis> becuse you want to see the error then and now
[10:32] <quisling> Arrakis, true.
[11:07] <gmclg> can you use iframe to display a block of text, rather than use it to load a s
[11:11] <quantum-x> Hey guys :) Just a quick one here. I've got to apply some CSS to a page w
[11:16] <quisling> gmclg, no.
[11:16] <quisling> quantum-x, no.
[11:17] <quantum-x> hm
[11:17] <Coweater> gmclg: you looking for a box with a scroll bar?
[11:20] <quisling> quantum-x, what's the HTML in the page you're trying to control?
[11:20] <quantum-x> quisling, ah, there's a stack of input fields, and i want to format them
[11:21] <quantum-x> hopefully i might be able to get to them with the lovely element element
[11:21] <quisling> unfortunatly that doesn't work in IE
[11:22] <quantum-x> quisling, seems to be in ie6 and FF 1.X for me :|
[11:24] <spank> url?
[11:24] <quantum-x> spank, internal CC processing page - can't link to it sorry :(
[11:25] <spank> of course, silly me
[11:26] <bada-> silly
[11:26] * bada- is now known as bada
[11:27] <bada> spank guess who's staying at my place all month
[11:27] <bada> Dave Attell
[11:27] <spank> is he bringing the hot babes he's always banging?
[11:27] <bada> only the midgets
[11:27] <spank> lucky
[11:28] <bada> and trannies
[11:28] <spank> sucks his show ain't on comedy central anymore
[11:28] <bada> but the trannies are passable so its all good
[11:28] <spank> because carlos menica and sara silverman suck
[11:28] <spank> mencia
[11:28] <bada> I ordered one of the dvds
[11:28] <bada> ya
[11:35] <quisling> Menstealia
[11:39] <Bomb`> Whats the best content-type to use for a uk/us website?
[11:54] <Arrakis> who is carlos mecia?
[11:58] <Arrakis> strategy did u get ur pics?
[12:17] * _gracie is now known as gracie
[12:29] <quisling> Arrakis, no. :(
[13:00] <moijk> isn't it allowed to use onload in html 4.01 on <img>?
[13:01] <quisling> what makes you say that?
[13:02] <quisling> ah, apparently onload isn't part of the available events for img
[13:02] <quisling> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/dtd.html#events
[13:03] <moijk> because when i put html 4.01 doctype suddenly onload stopped working in firef
[13:03] <moijk> :P
[13:03] <moijk> oh well
[13:04] <moijk> what should i do then? because i'm autoadjusting the images when they have lo
[13:06] <quisling> auto adjusting?
[13:09] <moijk> yes instead of displaying the image in full (embedded in forum messages)
[13:15] <moijk> ah now it works
[13:15] <moijk> but not the right behavor in firefox but in ie and opera. this is a wonderful
[13:16] <moijk> oh well five of my coworkers has macs. but i'll control my temptation since t
[13:16] <moijk> time for dinner. thanks quisling
[13:17] <moijk> who is the biggest traitor in norwegian history
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[14:12] <bada> Grease is the Word. It's got groove. It's got meaning.
[14:23] * [1]aunes is now known as aunes
[14:34] <aunes> anyone know an easy method for converting .doc files into non-suck html?
[14:34] <aunes> other than retyping the entire thing, that is.
[14:42] <mTk-Away> Evenings. Anyone awake?
[14:48] <happydude> don't ask to ask
[14:59] <quisling> guess it wasn't that important.
[16:46] <muppets20> hi
[16:48] <muppets20> does a mac browser called safari displayed websites differently then wind
[17:08] <ulm> hi, how can I duplicate a star I use for rating movies, so that I can use it fr
[17:10] <spank> muppets20: all browsers render things differently
[17:10] <muppets20> i c that
[17:11] <muppets20> safari for a mac is displaying it incorrectly
[17:11] <muppets20> i'll let it slide if there's are not many who use safari
[17:11] <muppets20> i'll let it slide if there's not many who use safari
[17:16] <spank> safari use is probably less than 2%
[17:17] <muppets20> hmm
[17:17] <muppets20> then i think i will let it slide
[18:29] * gracie is now known as _gracie
[20:38] <jroussel> is anyone here knowledgeable about javascript and can help me with a seemi
[20:38] <willliam> hi all
[20:38] <willliam> anyone familiar with xml schema here?
[20:38] <bknitram> Hi
[20:38] <jroussel> no responses in #javascript
[20:38] <jroussel> as expected on a friday night
[20:38] <willliam> i'm looking to format a time field to hh:mm AM/PM
[20:38] <willliam> can anyone help me out please
[20:39] <jroussel> http://www.w3schools.com/schema/schema_dtypes_date.asp
[20:39] <jroussel> wouldn't that help you out?
[20:40] <willliam> looked there already..
[20:40] <willliam> it's got to do with xs:time
[20:40] <willliam> but i don't know how to customize it
[20:40] <jroussel> i'm sure that can't be too hard of a question to answer
[20:40] <willliam> to HH:MM AM/PM
[20:40] <jroussel> i'd look around a big more
[20:40] <jroussel> bit
[20:41] <willliam> thnx jroussel
[20:42] <jroussel> sorry i couldn't be more helpful... just saying
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[21:10] * Topic is '#html - Google first. No Frontpage, Dreamweaver, CMS, MySpace, eBay, shitty Fla
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[23:02] <kwon2> what does clientside mean? when referring to javascript?
[23:12] <kwon2> sorry i got cut off can someone please repaste the answer to my client side q
[23:14] <happydude> what makes you think there was an answer
[23:15] <diabolic> lol
[23:15] <diabolic> client side means the code is ran from the clients browser rather than the
[23:15] <kwon2> ok
[23:15] <diabolic> meaning the user will generally be able to access the code since it has to
[23:16] <kwon2> so thats what makes it differ from php then becuase i know that servers need
[23:16] <kwon2> so clien side means that it will run no matter what kind of browser you are u
[23:17] <diabolic> :|
[23:17] <diabolic> dude server is where you upload your crap so the world wide intarwebs can
[23:17] <diabolic> client side is your computer where you open IE and look at porn sites
[23:18] <diabolic> not that technical
[23:18] <kwon2> yea but the part that confuses me is that its already uploaded 'on' a server
[23:18] <kwon2> and ran with the website so doesnt that make it server side?
[23:18] <diabolic> what is
[23:18] <diabolic> no..
[23:19] <diabolic> Is HTML server side or client side
[23:19] <diabolic> The server outputs the raw code it doesn't interpret it
[23:19] <kwon2> hrm
[23:19] <kwon2> client
[23:19] <diabolic> the browser executes it
[23:19] <kwon2> ?
[23:19] <diabolic> so it's clientside
[23:19] <diabolic> correct
[23:19] <diabolic> PHP gets interpreted by the server before it gets sent as text to the user
[23:19] <kwon2> ah ok
[23:19] <diabolic> making it serverside
[23:20] <kwon2> so server side has a server that has to interpret the code for you
[23:20] <kwon2> asp php
[23:20] <diabolic> yes
[23:20] <diabolic> javascript is run by the browser (IE, FireFox, etc)
[23:20] <kwon2> and html and javascript get interpreted via browser
[23:20] <kwon2> ah got it
[23:20] <diabolic> so don't go making javascript password thingies
[23:20] <diabolic> hehe
[23:20] <kwon2> why not
[23:20] <diabolic> ...
[23:21] <diabolic> ;-/
[23:21] <kwon2> yea i know
[23:22] <spank> because we'll cut your head off and shit down your neck
[23:22] <spank> okay, i'm kidding
[23:24] <diabolic> no you aren't
[23:43] <kwon2> ok so client side = no server need to translate code
[23:43] <kwon2> server side = server needed to translate code
[23:46] <spank> client = you, server = not you
Session Close: Sat Apr 14 00:00:00 2007