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Session Start: Mon Jan 29 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #html
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[00:00] * Topic is '#html: No Dreamweaver, Myspace, or Ebay help. Didn't write it? Ask the author.'
[00:00] * Set by quisling!blah@c-68-39-6-126.hsd1.nj.comcast.net on Tue Jan 23 12:39:01
[02:30] * drucipher is now known as da-drew
[02:30] * da-drew is now known as the-drew
[04:25] <dok> how to move a picture? i tried with <img src="bo2.gif" valign="middle">
[04:25] <dok> but that didnt work very well
[04:32] * SmilybOrg is now known as SmilyOrg
[04:50] <Zyclops> is it possible to link to a remote htc file using IE5+ behaviours?
[04:56] <Martin_^> any reason why my class properties on a fieldset only work in ie ?
[04:57] <Martin_^> well, actually, only width doesnt read in ff
[07:01] <dssG0d> anyone here interested in doing a bit of work in return I will put your bann
[07:02] <quisling> couldn't be bothered to figure out a simple formmail on your own?
[07:03] <quisling> dssG0d, you're using PHP, right?
[07:03] <dssG0d> yea..do you think it would be best for a form
[07:03] <quisling> http://www.visualstructures.com/Demo/phpmail.txt < php e-mail form exam
[07:04] <quisling> there's a simple example.
[07:04] <dssG0d> thanks man
[07:05] <timtux> i think its easier to have a contact form that saves to an db ... so you can
[07:06] <quisling> timtux, that's WAY over his head.
[07:06] <timtux> in an admin interface
[07:06] <dssG0d> timtux..i want to get the site going before i put money into it
[07:06] <timtux> dssG0d, link? :)
[07:06] <timtux> php is easy, fun and more fun
[07:06] <timtux> :D
[07:06] <dssG0d> that would be the best way but right now i need to get this form working i h
[07:07] <dssG0d> www.thegirllist.com/new.html
[07:07] <timtux> woho!!!!!!!!
[07:07] <timtux> escort! ;)
[07:07] <dssG0d> its an escort directory..once i get the girls to submit their profiles i nee
[07:07] <dssG0d> then eventually set it up so they add the profile automatically to limit my
[07:08] <dssG0d> lol
[07:08] <timtux> dssG0d, thats easy
[07:08] <quisling> timtux, for someone who knows what they're doing it's easy.
[07:08] <quisling> dssG0d is a supernoob.
[07:08] <timtux> quisling, well, it took me one week to learn php... and i did it from examp
[07:08] <timtux> ok, not all php...
[07:08] <timtux> but forms, db, stuff like that
[07:08] <timtux> :D
[07:08] <dssG0d> when it comes to that stuff..yes lol quisling
[07:08] <dssG0d> you are correct
[07:09] <dssG0d> lol
[07:09] <timtux> And it took me lesser then 1W to make a fully featured community
[07:09] <timtux> _D
[07:10] <timtux> Hum
[07:11] <dssG0d> function sendEmail($name,$email,$phone,$message){ --- $name, $phone are w
[07:11] <dssG0d> so in the function sendemail i just add the form fields that I want sent
[07:11] <timtux> yep
[07:11] <timtux> however, do you got a mysql db?
[07:12] <quisling> dssG0d, no, look at the example, it's not complicated.
[07:12] <dssG0d> i would have to create one in the control panel if im not mistaken
[07:13] <dssG0d> timtux..check your pm
[07:14] <dssG0d> quisling..lol im shocked you remember my question
[07:14] <dssG0d> from yesterday
[07:15] <quisling> I remembered your nick.
[07:16] <Woutje> <select name="country" onchange="alert('test');"> Doesn't work in IE7
[07:22] <quisling> too bad he left, it works just fine in IE7
[07:39] <xtor> Damnit I got a container that centers in firefox but slides to the left in IE
[07:41] <xtor> Will align : center;
[07:41] <xtor> work?
[07:45] <ScaryFast> right after the body tag, toss in a <div align="center"> and </d
[07:45] <ScaryFast> that's what I do anyway
[07:45] <ScaryFast> but I also suck
[07:46] <quisling> align="center" is deprecated.
[07:47] <quisling> body style="align:center;"
[07:47] <ScaryFast> is align even something that can be used? :P
[07:47] <quisling> yes.
[07:47] <ScaryFast> I always thought not since *gasp* dreamweaver doesn't let you use it
[07:48] <ScaryFast> vertical-align, text-align, etc. all work
[07:48] <ScaryFast> but it doesn't seem to know about the existence of align for a style
[07:53] <ScaryFast> There isn't actually a CSS ALIGN or CSS VALIGN property. Instead, CSS has
[07:53] <ScaryFast> ah-hah, I was right
[07:54] <quisling> ah, right.
[07:54] <quisling> in CSS you use margin:auto; to center blocks.
[07:57] <xtor> scary but I got a CSS thingy
[07:57] <xtor> should I bypass it?
[07:57] <quisling> "a css thingy"?
[07:57] <quisling> could you be a bit more vague?
[07:58] <xtor> yeah its in css
[07:58] <arpad> is it possible in a 2-column layout to have text from the bottom of the left
[07:58] <quisling> arpad, no.
[07:58] <quisling> at least not w/o a lot of JS.
[07:58] <xtor> I mean I cant do it in html syntax can I? Or can I bypass my css file
[07:58] <quisling> xtor, all style information is either in style="" in a tag, or in a styles
[07:58] <arpad> quisling: ok, cheers
[07:59] <quisling> http://www.iht.com/bin/3-col.php?id=4386075
[07:59] <quisling> there's a site that does it.
[08:00] <xtor> Well did that <div align="center"> and </div> after the </body&
[08:00] <quisling> nevermind.
[08:00] <trovster> quisling: Fighting battle, I've given him URLs in #css
[08:01] <quisling> yeah, I've decided it's not worth the time to try and educate people who d
[08:01] <trovster> The majority?
[08:02] <quisling> so it would seem.
[08:03] <ScaryFast> there are always going to be idiots. if you don't like helping idiots you
[08:03] <ScaryFast> I read something, it looked wierd to me, so I asked about it in another c
[08:04] <ScaryFast> sorry I don't go read a FAQ every time something looks wierd to me that s
[08:06] <Gho5t> when you print a page, are values in <input> tags included in the print
[08:13] <quisling> Gho5t, why don't you make a form and try it?
[08:22] <Gho5t> i am dipshit
[08:22] <Gho5t> it's not displaying right
[08:31] * c4rl_ is now known as c4rl
[08:33] * scatman is now known as deLuxe
[08:42] <danfromsy> why is it that some webpages still need you to type in www. what are the
[08:43] <quisling> danfromsy, it has to do with DNS.
[08:48] * deLuxe is now known as deluxe
[08:52] <foxnesn> hello, i would like my index.html file to directly list the contents of a c
[08:53] <foxnesn> any ideas how to accomplish this?
[08:54] <foxnesn> perhaps this is more of a server question than an html one
[08:55] <foxnesn> big gulps aye, guys? welp...
[09:19] * JoNaS^X5 is now known as JoNaS^30
[09:19] * JoNaS^30 is now known as JoNaS^X5
[09:43] <Sixer> Hi, what's the best alternative to using tables for table purposes?
[09:44] <Sixer> (Not for page layout purposes)
[09:44] <trovster> heh.
[09:44] <trovster> No alternative
[09:44] <Sixer> 'kay
[09:44] <Sixer> I was hoping lists could help out some way
[09:44] <trovster> Why?
[09:44] <trovster> Tables=tabular data
[09:45] <Sixer> Agreed
[09:45] <Sixer> But, tables break <a href="..">
[09:45] <trovster> what?
[09:45] <Sixer> tables break links.
[09:45] <Sixer> Long story, but I'm using <a> as a block element
[09:45] <Sixer> Because otherwise the :hover doesn't work.
[09:45] <trovster> What do links have to do with tables?
[09:45] <Sixer> ^
[09:45] <trovster> ^^ makes no sense.
[09:46] <trovster> <a><table> is invalid HTML
[09:46] <Sixer> fine
[09:46] <trovster> anchors are inline. Changing their STYLE doesn't change its physical type
[09:46] <Sixer> But it's the only way to make :hover work
[09:46] <trovster> no, it's not
[09:46] <Sixer> Really
[09:46] <Sixer> How do I make :hover work on a block element, in IE6 ?
[09:47] <trovster> On an entire table?
[09:47] <Sixer> Just a <div>
[09:47] <trovster> div:hover {]
[09:47] <Sixer> Regardless of its content
[09:47] <Sixer> Doesn't work in IE6.
[09:47] <trovster> With a TINY bit of JS, and you're fine.
[09:47] <Sixer> IE6 does :hover on links only.
[09:47] <trovster> No shit.
[09:47] <Sixer> Ok, on mouseOver, set style?
[09:48] <trovster> * Google: http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html See More: http://ww
[09:51] <Sixer> hrm, .htc
[09:51] <Sixer> OK.
[09:51] <Sixer> Will look into that, merci
[09:53] <MattyT> hey guys, is there any reason why IE would not display a .xml file and ff wo
[09:53] <MattyT> ie7
[09:53] <quisling> what makes you think it won't?
[09:53] <quisling> and why are you sending XML straight to the browser?
[09:53] <MattyT> xml with xsl style OR without - error message: Internet Explorer does not su
[09:53] <Sixer> It thinkts you're loading RSS
[09:54] <Sixer> -t
[09:54] <quisling> did you google that error message?
[09:54] <MattyT> quisling: because 1> I can and 2> you are supposed to in some cases
[09:54] <MattyT> especially if they are styled
[09:54] <MattyT> yeah - I couldn't find a decent answer
[09:54] <quisling> url?
[09:54] <trovster> Not much nowadays as IE + FF both restyle feeds, anyway.
[09:54] <MattyT> http://staff.simplycars.co.uk/~sfeltham/leadfeedback/feedback.xml
[09:54] <Sixer> Safari doesn't do anything either if you load XML directly
[09:55] <quisling> yeah, it thinks it's a feed.
[09:55] <Sixer> oh, heh, it does in your case with the xsl
[09:55] <trovster> xml sent as text/html
[09:55] <quisling> still, sending styled XML to the browser doesn't seem like a good idea.
[09:55] <MattyT> if I take the style away, I still get the same error in ie
[09:55] <Sixer> quisling: Isn't that partially what XSLT is for?
[09:55] <Sixer> Well, what do I know
[09:56] <quisling> Sixer, sure, but there's no reason to do it in the browser, esp if browser
[09:56] <Sixer> nod
[09:56] <MattyT> quisling: this is the results of a html form. its pretty much internal use
[09:56] <quisling> Supported feed formats
[09:56] <quisling> ATOM 0.3, 1.0
[09:56] <quisling> RSS 0.91, 0.92
[09:56] <quisling> RSS 1.0
[09:56] <quisling> RSS 2.0
[09:56] <MattyT> quisling: thankyou for pasting the same error message that I (obviously) get
[09:56] <quisling> MattyT, well, you didn't seem to understand the error.
[09:57] <MattyT> the error is void, IE will display *some* xml, but not this xml
[09:57] <MattyT> and this isnt tagged in any way as rss
[10:00] <MattyT> so - non of you have come accross this error before today?
[10:00] <MattyT> +e
[10:00] <quisling> no, beacuse I don't ever send XML to the browser. it all gets processed se
[10:01] <MattyT> apparently it works ok in ie6, but I can't test it - having upgraded all the
[10:01] <MattyT> and ff works
[10:01] <trovster> Install multiple IE, then
[10:01] <MattyT> so it appears to be broken in ie7 only
[10:01] <MattyT> trovster: I didnt know that was possible
[10:01] <MattyT> I thought ie7 installed a core upgrade
[10:02] <quisling> Install multiple versions of IE on your PC http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_I
[10:02] * Canna is now known as folwer
[10:02] <quisling> MattyT, you do know it's sending the XML to the browser as text/html, righ
[10:03] <trovster> heh, I already mentioned that;)
[10:03] * folwer is now known as fowler
[10:04] <MattyT> quisling: yes.
[10:05] <MattyT> style is now removed
[10:06] * fowler is now known as freez
[10:06] <quisling> I understand that for some reason you think it's valuable to send XML to t
[10:07] <freez> ill ack you
[10:08] <freez> with a h
[10:08] <freez> :/
[10:08] <MattyT> think I iwll set up another machine for multiple ie's as it appears to be a
[10:09] <MattyT> quisling: yeees.. I am failing to see your point. I already made it clear t
[10:13] <MattyT> well, that was uncalled for
[10:14] <MattyT> so - here's an example where ie does like the xml:
[10:14] <MattyT> http://staff.simplycars.co.uk/~sfeltham/leadfeedback/dealer.xml
[10:14] <MattyT> What confuses me is what is turning one set of automatically generated xml b
[10:15] <quisling> that doesn't work in IE7 either.
[10:15] <MattyT> weird, it does for me :/
[10:16] <quisling> regardless, being able to download the XML is completely different than di
[10:19] <MattyT> can we assume that I need it to be in a xml format - and if needs be I will
[10:20] <quisling> Sure, so apply the XSL server-side.
[10:20] <MattyT> also ie crashed trying to refresh - and now won't display it
[10:20] <MattyT> I think ie7 is somewhat broken
[10:20] <quisling> and if for some reason you really want to download raw XML, though I don't
[10:23] <MattyT> quisling: basically, I have a script which writes the xml from an online for
[10:23] <MattyT> so there is very little point creating a customer xml parser to do the job
[10:24] <MattyT> what confuses me is that ALL previous attempts to do this (and we have done
[10:24] <MattyT> and still work with no problems
[10:24] <MattyT> suddenly we have a xml page that does not work
[10:24] <MattyT> and I can't find a reason (therefor something to fix) to make it work
[10:24] <MattyT> shiney?
[10:25] <MattyT> anyway - I will do an IE7 bug report tomorrow. its already WAAAAY past goin
[10:26] * Disconnected
Session Close: Mon Jan 29 10:26:34 2007