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Session Start: Thu Jan 25 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #html
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[00:00] * Topic is '#html: No Dreamweaver, Myspace, or Ebay help. Didn't write it? Ask the author.'
[00:00] * Set by quisling!blah@c-68-39-6-126.hsd1.nj.comcast.net on Tue Jan 23 12:39:01
[00:38] <Martin^> good morning everyone
[00:38] <Martin^> anyone awake?
[00:52] <Martin_^> this one stretches verticall in FF, but not in FF:
[00:52] <Martin_^> http://www.pastebin.no/846
[00:52] <Martin_^> any ideas?
[01:00] <sheer> why dont you guys do dreamweaver help?
[01:06] <t1[> because dreamweaver is a third party
[01:06] <t1[> they will help you with html code here, but not help you learn dreamweaver
[01:06] <sheer> ahh i see
[01:07] <t1[> if you ask me dreamweaver is nice for amateurs, but it's definately not a good
[01:07] <t1[> all you need is a text editor for html
[01:07] <sheer> what do the pros use?
[01:07] <t1[> even though i happen to like my own syntax highlighter
[01:07] <t1[> i use PSPad www.pspad.com
[01:07] <t1[> it's free
[01:07] <sheer> ok
[01:08] <sheer> i'll have a look
[01:09] * Fuzzy76 is also a fan of pspad - and he has tried a bunch of editors
[01:09] <sheer> it's not just for html?
[01:11] <Fuzzy76> no, it works for practically any markup- og programming language
[01:11] <Fuzzy76> I've used it for Python, PHP and Java aswell
[01:11] <Fuzzy76> and is actually one of VERY few editors that do JSP syntax highlighting. No
[01:12] <sheer> ok
[01:26] <Martin_^> i personally prefer jEdit
[01:26] <Martin_^> www.jedit.org
[01:27] <Martin_^> its buildt on java though, which is a lil craå
[01:27] <Martin_^> crap*
[01:27] <Martin_^> but once it actually runs its awsome :)
[04:16] <floiasi83> is there a way to not let users save pictures on the site
[04:16] <floiasi83> ?
[04:19] <webben> floiasi83, best not to ask in two channels simultaneously.
[04:36] <floiasi83> ok
[04:36] <floiasi83> i did'nt know here are the same folks
[04:36] <floiasi83> lol
[04:51] * digitok is now known as diabolic
[05:23] * _draco is now known as draco
[06:09] <xAyiDe> Isnt it possible to do this?
[06:09] <xAyiDe> window.opener.document.forms[0].strContentPic1.value = 'hjfd';
[06:10] <xAyiDe> where strContentPic1 is an input type field
[06:20] <Arrakis> yeah
[06:22] <quisling> from my experience you have to call a function in the opener rather than s
[06:22] <quisling> so window.opener.myfunction('hjfd'); and hten myfunction(val) { document.f
[06:25] <quisling> n/m, it does work.
[06:26] <quisling> w/o calling the parent window's function.
[06:33] <scaz> test
[06:35] <Arrakis> fail
[06:57] * scaz is now known as theoo
[06:58] <^Borat^> how do you output HTML tags when showing code? is it the <pre> tag?
[06:58] <quisling> no
[06:58] <quisling> replace the > and < with < and >
[07:06] <webben> and & with &
[07:54] <timtux> http://timtux.web.surftown.se/timtux2.0/ ... general feedback please, what m
[07:56] <quisling> wow, the "web 2.0" logo blows.
[07:56] <timtux> ok, except for that then..
[07:57] <quisling> there's not much to comment on.
[07:58] <quisling> I'm not sure what's up with the Mattel logo "New Design" thing...
[07:59] <quisling> and I don't quite know why you have things like <div id="space"><
[08:00] <KungFGrp> i like what you did with the footer
[08:07] <timtux> quisling, :D
[08:10] <zuu> timtux, it looks decent imo
[08:10] <zuu> but, yeah, whats up with that 'new desing' star? like if you wanted to sell you
[08:11] <timtux> i just needed to fill that part of the site
[08:11] <timtux> it looks fubar without it :P
[08:12] <zuu> :/
[08:12] <zuu> put a picture of yourself there, then
[08:14] <timtux> :-P
[08:14] <Deezire> For no apparent reason my laptop fan has started spinning at 100% all the t
[08:14] <Deezire> :<
[08:14] <timtux> ;(
[08:15] <zuu> timtux, you could also put a punchline up there, or something liek that, a mott
[08:15] * zuu is now known as Zuu
[08:24] <timtux> http://timtux.web.surftown.se/timtux2.0/ ... does that look better?
[08:24] <timtux> punchline?
[08:49] <floiasi83> who show me an example of how to use <invisible> ?
[08:50] <webben> floiasi83, There is no HTML element <invisible>
[08:50] <webben> what are you talking about?
[08:50] <peteski_> pasted in #css also :/
[08:51] <floiasi83> look hre
[08:51] <floiasi83> http://rainbow.arch.scriptmania.com/scripts/no_right_click.html
[08:51] <floiasi83> go to view source
[08:51] <quisling> no right clicks are a joke.
[08:51] <webben> oh no ... not still with the futile attempt to prevent people copying images
[08:52] <quisling> "Use the <INVISIBLE> </INVISIBLE> tags around the entire docum
[08:52] <webben> floiasi83, whatever it is it (probably) won't work in Opera anyhow.
[08:52] <quisling> floiasi83, you're an idiot.
[08:52] <quisling> it's ajoke.
[08:52] <quisling> notice number 2 and 7?
[08:52] <quisling> 2. Use the DONTSTEAL attribute in the <BODY> tag.
[08:52] <quisling> 7. Start>Run>format C:\
[08:52] <floiasi83> that i think its a joke
[08:53] <quisling> so is the <invisible> tag
[08:53] <peteski_> lol
[08:53] <webben> floiasi83, View source then scroll down.
[08:53] <webben> (keep scrolling ....)
[08:53] <floiasi83> you cannot view source
[08:53] <floiasi83> try to view the source
[08:53] <webben> floiasi83, i am viewing the source
[08:53] <quisling> be less concerned about preventing people from viewing your source, and mo
[08:53] <webben> floiasi83, try with FF.
[08:54] <floiasi83> i can't see the source winth any browser
[08:55] <quisling> that's because you're clueless.
[08:55] <webben> floiasi83, okay when you click View source what happens?
[08:55] <floiasi83> man but u can't verify
[08:55] <floiasi83> ?
[08:55] <webben> View -> Page source in Firefox
[08:55] <floiasi83> i gave u the adress
[08:55] <webben> floiasi83, a window opens correct?
[08:55] <quisling> floiasi83, no-right-click scripts are pointless. move on with your life.
[08:55] <webben> and you see <invisible> <!-- What you looking for? --> correct?
[08:56] <floiasi83> yes
[08:56] <quisling> there is no <invisible> tag
[08:56] <webben> floiasi83, now ... on the right of that window there is a scrollbar
[08:56] <webben> use it to move down
[08:56] <webben> to see the source
[08:57] <webben> see it now?
[08:57] <floiasi83> aaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
[08:57] <floiasi83> fuckk
[08:57] <webben> floiasi83, like I told what 4 hours ago or something -- give up, it's /futil
[08:57] <webben> find a better way to spend your time
[08:58] <webben> floiasi83, oh and these are the valid HTML elements: http://www.w3.org/TR/ht
[08:58] <webben> avoid the ones marked D for deprecated.
[08:58] <webben> (deprecated == "don't use this")
[08:58] <floiasi83> it would be nice to be true
[08:58] <webben> not really
[08:59] <floiasi83> i did'nt noticed the scrool
[09:00] <floiasi83> and for xhtml
[09:04] <^Borat^> if I have a class named George.ext.BasicDialog and BasicDialog has a proper
[09:05] <webben> floiasi83, XHTML has the same set of elements mainly.
[09:05] <webben> floiasi83, see http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#diffs
[09:06] <webben> but I strongly recommend using HTML 4.01 Strict in most cases.
[09:06] <webben> ^Borat^, sounds right
[09:08] <quisling-> floiasi83, have you tried <protect> ?
[09:09] <webben> quisling, as in WML?
[09:09] <webben> http://cs.brown.edu/system/help/web.html#ToC10
[09:10] <quisling-> nah, in HTMl
[09:10] <quisling-> it's all XHTML 2.0
[09:10] <floiasi83> this is another joke
[09:10] <floiasi83> <protect>
[09:11] <quisling-> or <plsdntstealmycode>
[09:11] <webben> or <pleasestoppullingmyleg>
[09:11] <quisling-> <ithinkmycodeisnovel>
[09:12] <webben> <youwouldntunderstanditanyway>
[09:12] <quisling-> floiasi83, why don't you want people looking at your HTML?
[09:12] <floiasi83> i am making a website on wich users pay to see epictures
[09:12] <floiasi83> ...
[09:13] <quisling-> porn.
[09:13] <timtux> POR?!
[09:13] <timtux> PORN!?!
[09:13] <timtux> ;)
[09:13] <floiasi83> yes
[09:13] <quisling-> annoy your customers an embed the images in flash.
[09:14] <floiasi83> and i would like to pretect the pictures
[09:14] <peteski_> can anyone recommend good hosting nowadays?
[09:14] <quisling-> peteski, www.lehost.net
[09:15] <quisling-> floiasi83, are these pictures of you?
[09:15] <peteski_> quisling: thanks, I'll check it out
[09:15] <peteski_> any based in UK?
[09:15] <quisling-> peteski, does it matter?
[09:15] <quisling-> I don't know of any UK based hosting companies.
[09:15] <webben> quisling-, that could explain why visitors might prefer to look at the code
[09:16] <peteski_> as long as its reliable then na, had a us provider before which we could n
[09:16] <peteski_> its just for hosting websites :>
[09:16] <peteski_> i used lchost.co.uk last time
[09:16] <quisling-> lehost is very reliable.. I've been hosting there for years w/o any probl
[09:16] <peteski_> nice, ill check it out.
[09:16] <floiasi83> now u see i have a method through users cand copy a picture through right
[09:17] <quisling-> floiasi83, why shouldn't they be able to copy a photo to keep it on their
[09:17] <floiasi83> what remains is too look in the source code
[09:17] <peteski_> they could just printscreen it anyways and paste to mspaint :/
[09:17] <quisling-> you can always view source. end of story.
[09:18] <quisling-> I seriously doubt anyone is going to go through that much trouble if you
[09:18] <floiasi83> aha .. but still i know u can zip the code for fast performance
[09:18] <quisling-> if they want the pictures that bad, they'll just use WGET to download you
[09:18] <peteski_> quisling: do many providers offer support for coldfusion? or is it mainly
[09:19] <webben> floiasi83, yeah and they can deobfuscate it
[09:19] <quisling-> peteski, I don't know of many that support CF.
[09:19] <webben> floiasi83, or, y'know, just disable your JS.
[09:19] <quisling-> er, any
[09:19] <webben> or use Opera, which prevents you changing the context menu
[09:23] <peteski_> quisling, with Lehost can you host more than one site? or is that cost per
[09:24] <quisling-> peteski, email them and ask.
[09:25] <peteski_> ;)
[09:25] <peteski_> nn all
[10:48] <sPOOkah> I am trying to have some text at the top of a page followed by a simple sea
[10:49] <timtux> <divs> and float
[10:49] <quisling> you don' tneed divs
[10:49] <quisling> and you don't need float
[10:49] <quisling> <form style="display:inline;">...</form>
[10:49] <timtux> :P
[10:49] <sPOOkah> nice :)
[10:49] <timtux> http://timtux.net/timtux2.0
[10:49] <timtux> soon done with the design :D
[10:50] <sPOOkah> quisling you are a genious
[10:50] <sPOOkah> thanks =]
[10:50] <quisling> genius
[11:05] <sPOOkah> that too
[13:01] <breaker> anyone know what sort of difference there is between right clicking a link
[13:01] <breaker> oh nvm i will try it with fiddler on my local machine
[13:17] <quisling> there is no difference.
[13:29] * eN3rGEE is now known as eN3rGy
[13:42] * Toxin is now known as _Toxin
[13:51] <faec> how can i have an inline table
[13:51] <faec> er
[13:52] <faec> inline div i mean
[13:52] <faec> without using float
[13:57] <webben> display: inline;
[13:57] <webben> also display: inline-block (but doesn't work in Firefox)
[14:29] <xUMa> how do u fix IE/Firefox differences
[14:29] <xUMa> my site looks like shit in IE
[14:29] <xUMa> but decent in firefox
[14:29] <xUMa> www.digitaldropoff.com
[14:37] <webben> xUMa, you begin by validating to HTML 4.01 Strict
[14:38] <webben> which ensures the most consistent interpretation of CSS against the widest n
[14:38] <webben> (that is available)
[14:38] <webben> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/
[14:39] <spank> he's not even close to that stage yet
[14:39] <spank> he's got something coded worse than frontpage
[14:39] <webben> xUMa, also don't use tables for layout, only for tabular data
[14:40] <webben> xUMa, http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/ Tutorial 4 for your menu
[14:41] <webben> xUMa, use CSS rather than presentational markup to style your content
[14:41] <webben> http://www.benjaminhawkeslewis.com/www/web-design/getting-started.html#prese
[14:43] <xUMa> rihgt on
[14:43] <xUMa> thanks
[14:44] <xUMa> im trying to correct shit that isnt ended
[14:44] <xUMa> and clean it up
[14:44] <xUMa> but its not working
[14:45] <webben> fyi "shit that isnt ended" and "its not working" aren't sufficiently precise
[14:45] <quisling> xUMa, url?
[14:45] <webben> quisling, scroll up
[14:45] <faec> was % of dust is made up of dead skin?
[14:46] <webben> sorry, you must be looking for #morbid-facts
[14:46] <quisling> faec, a lot.
[14:46] <webben> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust 70% according to the big W
[14:47] <xUMa> quis im on that url u sent me, thx
[14:47] <quisling> xUMa, you need to learn the basics of HTML.
[14:50] <webben> e.g. http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/
[14:53] <timtux> http://timtux.web.surftown.se/timtux2.0/ , should i make the width fixed?
[14:53] <timtux> on the content
[15:08] <khaladan> is there any way to determine what object has focus? or, given an object,
[15:30] <efcom> anyone knows about paypal?
[15:30] <efcom> i mean. i got a quick q on paypal
[15:31] <efcom> how do i accept payments from paypal? how do i set it up so when someone clic
[15:33] <quisling> www.paypal.com go read
[15:34] <efcom> where do i go exactly. im on paypal.com
[15:34] <quisling> merchant services
[15:34] <efcom> paypal shopping cart?
[15:34] <quisling> do you know how to read?
[15:35] <efcom> no
[15:35] <quisling> it's not rocket science.
[15:36] <efcom> i dont want to sell products. i want to sell services. well let me try that.
[15:36] <quisling> what kind of services?
[15:37] <efcom> marketing/business consulting
[15:37] <quisling> so you just want people to pay an invoice via paypal?
[15:37] <efcom> yeah pretty much
[15:37] <efcom> i know you can "request money" and send invoice manually
[15:37] <efcom> but i wanted to know if its possible to do automatically
[15:38] <efcom> or would i need a lot of html/php knowledge for that
[15:38] <quisling> yeah, or you can create a button that links to paypal with certain informa
[15:38] <efcom> yeah im thinking the best way to do is the shopping cart.. until i get my rea
[15:38] <quisling> you don't need a shopping cart to do it.
[15:39] <efcom> oh hmm
[15:39] <efcom> im very technically stupid
[15:40] <quisling> you would just create a "buy now" button which would have a fixed price.
[15:40] <efcom> oh
[15:40] <quisling> though frankly, I don't know many clients who would pay via paypal like th
[15:40] <quisling> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/xcl/rec/singleitem-examples-ou
[15:41] <efcom> yeah thats why i want to wait until i get my merchant account but it costs a
[15:41] <quisling> you can just sign up for a merchant account on paypal...
[15:41] <quisling> there's no waiting.
[15:41] <efcom> i think i signed up for it a while ago
[15:42] <efcom> no i did not. ijust signed up as a business
[15:51] <Tek9> anyone know how to determine the exact asx stream URL from an embedded media p
[15:51] <quisling> right click on it and goto properties?
[15:52] <Tek9> that points to a JPEG
[15:53] <quisling> oh well.
[17:49] <tekk> hi guys, i set a css links class for the links on the left side of http://busn
[17:49] <tekk> any ideas?
[17:49] <tekk> <a href="http://busn.co.uk/products.dll?pid=349" class="menu">Supreme Wh
[17:49] <tekk> is whta i did
[17:49] <tekk> an exampleo f my css is
[17:49] <tekk> a.menu:link { font-size:small; text-decoration:none; color:#000000; }
[17:57] <quisling> why not just a.menu ?
[17:57] <quisling> remove the :link
[17:57] <tekk> oh
[17:57] <tekk> well i had
[17:57] <tekk> :link :hover :active :visited
[17:58] <tekk> i didnt realize i could just do a.menu
[17:58] <tekk> k changed, but it still doesnt work
[17:58] <tekk> bah quit
[18:45] <hyp3rk1d> hey
[20:26] <penius> I'm trying to do a pretty simple layout, just a wrapper div (relative positi
[20:26] <penius> the reason I'm having a problem is that I want to position the footer at the
[20:26] <penius> http://www.zackparker.org/
[20:27] <penius> the internal divs aren't floated, so I shouldn't need to have a clear: both
[20:28] <penius> I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong... the markup is valid (except for an extr
[20:28] <penius> and this seems like something I've done a million times before
[20:30] <phiz> penius: that url doesn't work
[20:31] <penius> sorry... http://zackparker.org
[20:31] <penius> the red line at the top is the border around the wrapper div
[20:33] <penius> it breaks in the same way on both mozilla and IE, so I think I must be doing
[20:35] <phiz> why are you using absolute positioning?
[20:36] <penius> it's just been the way I've always positioned things... it's easy to say "di
[20:36] <penius> is there a better way?
[20:37] <phiz> use relative positioning when possible
[20:38] <penius> will that solve my problem?
[20:38] <penius> I'm just confused as to why my divs within #wrapper don't affect its height
[20:39] <phiz> penius: check out this site: http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/
[20:39] <phiz> that might be handy for you
[20:39] <penius> huh, cool, thanks, that looks useful
[21:39] * b`ki is now known as boki
[21:46] <ork> How can I get some help in crafting one of those form fields where you type in
[21:54] <ork> Anyone home ??
Session Close: Fri Jan 26 00:00:00 2007