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Session Start: Thu Sep 07 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #heroin
[00:16] <JFlash> hey i'm making this drug dealer game and I need to know what a drug dealer c
[00:45] <JFlash> hey anyone here can help?
[01:31] <Miew> he could also rat out competitors, pay off some police, find ways to cut the d
[02:36] <JFlash> Miew, thanks
[02:36] <JFlash> now, what would be cool "fronts" for a dealers business?
[02:37] <JFlash> this is going to be a "bling-gangstah" type of game so i'm thinking about li
[05:00] <skunky-> yea
[05:00] <skunky-> but also
[05:00] <skunky-> remember
[05:00] <skunky-> drug addicts dont always have money
[05:00] <skunky-> so they rob and steal anything to trade for drugs
[05:05] <skunky-> ah thats alot fuckin better..
[05:05] <skunky-> i wake up feeling dead as.. dead
[05:06] <skunky-> do some dexamphetamine and i feel again
[05:24] <skunky-> why isnt demerol on erowid
[05:24] <skunky-> none of the sythenic heroins
[05:24] <skunky-> are
[05:25] <skunky-> the real ones
[05:45] <l0g> what are these new opiate pills im hearin about, called esceron or something li
[05:46] <l0g> i setup my own IV and am dripping naloxone, trying to get off methadone in 3 da
[05:47] <skunky-> dont do that bro.
[05:48] <skunky-> you will overdose rather easily
[05:48] <l0g> forreal? i called a pharmacist but they werent no help.. for dosages
[05:48] <l0g> you cant overdose on an antagonist can you?
[05:49] <skunky-> u can overdose on tylenol
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[05:49] <l0g> yes but OD is fine, just not death by OD..
[05:49] <skunky-> if there was research done on on what your doing it was ruled as unsafe to
[05:50] <skunky-> thats why theres no info from the pharacy on it
[05:50] <skunky-> no you can die
[05:50] <skunky-> off anything
[05:50] <skunky-> does not have to be a narcotic
[05:50] <l0g> well obviously its not a standard practise but... the concept should work i fig
[05:51] <skunky-> acetaminophen is actually more fatal than the hydrocodone itself in vicodin
[05:51] <skunky-> be carful
[05:51] <l0g> damn!
[05:51] <skunky-> im not tryin to
[05:51] <skunky-> make fun or anything or discourge you
[05:51] <skunky-> so dont take it like that
[05:52] <skunky-> im just tryin to inform you that is unsafe
[05:52] <l0g> i didnt.. any way to come off methadone quick?
[05:52] <skunky-> it took time to build any addiction didn't?
[05:52] <l0g> yep
[05:52] <skunky-> so it will take some time to get off
[05:52] <skunky-> there a a right way and a wrong way
[05:53] <l0g> dammit, methadone is too long of being sick, im trying to do it a little faster
[05:53] <skunky-> ur way may work however
[05:53] <skunky-> you might relapes
[05:53] <skunky-> dude
[05:53] <skunky-> who the fuck gave u methadone?
[05:53] <l0g> of course i will relapse (the odds say)
[05:53] <skunky-> there are alot Safer ways to treat opiate addiction
[05:53] <skunky-> but the chances may be higher
[05:53] <l0g> a DOCTOR (idiot) gave it to me
[05:53] <skunky-> no no
[05:53] <skunky-> hold on
[05:54] <l0g> i want bupe but i live in canada
[05:54] <skunky-> theres a new one out
[05:54] <skunky-> i was reading about
[05:54] <l0g> buprenorphine
[05:54] <skunky-> methadone is old as shit and alot of sideeffects
[05:54] <skunky-> is that it?
[05:54] <l0g> subutex/suboxone
[05:54] <l0g> yeah
[05:54] <l0g> its the SIDE effects of meth that is killing me
[05:55] <skunky-> yea Subutex
[05:55] <l0g> but like i said bupe is not available in canada yet, it is approved but not ava
[05:55] <skunky-> why wont he give u that
[05:55] <skunky-> ah
[05:55] <l0g> its a bupe/naloxone combo pill
[05:55] <l0g> well suboxone is, subutex is just bupe
[05:55] <l0g> so ppl dont inject they put the naloxone in it... HAHAH shady
[05:56] <l0g> basically there is nothing else right?
[05:56] <skunky-> demorol IS synthetic heroin, one of the anolog derives anyway. the only oth
[05:56] <skunky-> also fentanyl
[05:56] <skunky-> is sold as heroin
[05:56] <l0g> you cant DIE from withdrawl?
[05:56] <skunky-> when the supply is low
[05:56] <skunky-> sure you can
[05:56] <l0g> fentanyl is STRONG shit
[05:57] <skunky-> yea
[05:57] <skunky-> very effective in low doses
[05:57] <l0g> they kill horses with it in vets
[05:57] <l0g> and you know its strong if your takin MICROgrams
[05:57] <skunky-> people think oxycontin is the strongests and that its 'sinthetic heroin'
[05:57] <skunky-> completely untrue
[05:57] <skunky-> right.
[05:57] <skunky-> but see
[05:58] <skunky-> they have to give you drugs that are proved to treat opiate addiction
[05:58] <l0g> well oxy is what started this for me, car accident, hurt back, etc, etc, youve
[05:58] <l0g> yes to TREAT, not just to stave off withdrawl syndrome
[05:58] <skunky-> oxy ya thats a prime example
[05:58] <skunky-> right
[05:59] <l0g> i dont care anymore, i am constantly sick with methadone... i dont want to keep
[05:59] <skunky-> oxy is proven to cause dependince and has no potential of treating addictio
[05:59] <skunky-> but thats obivious hehe
[05:59] <skunky-> oblivious*
[05:59] <skunky-> i dont know why oxy is such a big deal on the streat
[06:00] <skunky-> theres alot safer and stronger highs
[06:00] <l0g> well there is nothing else that makes you feel the same,,, not dilaudid, or any
[06:00] <l0g> is there?
[06:00] <l0g> i cant get real heron
[06:01] <l0g> all these goddamn short-acting opioids just make you constantly think about you
[06:01] <l0g> dose every 6 hours
[06:01] <skunky-> Physicians authorized to prescribe a class of medications for opioid (narco
[06:01] <skunky-> you may need to find your own drug ya
[06:02] <l0g> yep! dammit
[06:02] <skunky-> ummm
[06:02] <l0g> what?> find my own drug?
[06:02] <skunky-> what all can you get your hands on?
[06:02] <skunky-> your own method of getting off safely
[06:02] <l0g> pretty much whatever from a pharm
[06:02] <l0g> ahh i see
[06:02] <skunky-> if methadone is causing you problems
[06:02] <skunky-> nothing wrong with that, as long as your doing it to help urself
[06:02] <l0g> whatever i can get or write my own script for!!
[06:03] <skunky-> what opiates are around in your area?
[06:03] <skunky-> hehe
[06:03] <skunky-> ah
[06:03] <skunky-> wel
[06:03] <skunky-> tramadol is non-narcotic just not very potient
[06:03] <skunky-> but its safer
[06:03] <l0g> oxy/dilaudid/percs/fentanyl patch/demerol/method
[06:04] <skunky-> no percs
[06:04] <skunky-> hehe
[06:04] <l0g> what else is there? what is a better high than OCs?
[06:04] <skunky-> thats oxycodone still
[06:04] <l0g> ya i hate percs too mych aceta
[06:04] <l0g> yes i know
[06:04] <skunky-> theres...
[06:04] <skunky-> what the fucks it called
[06:05] <skunky-> numorphan
[06:05] <l0g> its an opiate?
[06:05] <l0g> oh thats oxymorphone right?
[06:05] <skunky-> yea
[06:05] <l0g> oxymorphone?
[06:05] <skunky-> dilaudid would be hydromorphone
[06:05] <skunky-> ya its oxymorphone
[06:06] <l0g> ahh i have NEVER NEVER gotten that, its only avail IV or IM
[06:06] <l0g> i would pay dearly for that if i could get it
[06:06] <skunky-> oh yea..
[06:07] <l0g> i just found out that existed like a couple months ago, i just was puttin werds
[06:07] <skunky-> hehe
[06:07] <skunky-> ya i think that way too
[06:07] <skunky-> MS-Contin; Kadian; Avinza
[06:07] <skunky-> thos are on my site i forgot
[06:07] <skunky-> there uh
[06:07] <skunky-> morphine sulfates
[06:07] <l0g> those are just how they stick the molecules together
[06:08] <skunky-> yea
[06:08] <skunky-> morphines might help u
[06:08] <l0g> i wish i was a chemist and had access to a lab
[06:08] <l0g> and could synthesize my own opiates
[06:09] <skunky-> diamorphine is heroin illegal, dihydromorphine is legal so is dolphine
[06:09] <l0g> well morphine sulfate is grosss, i remnember i shot it once and the BURN was so
[06:09] <skunky-> ah
[06:09] <l0g> i was so scared i had my friend on the phone with me
[06:09] <l0g> yes i knew about the dia, if they prescribe it to you thats what its called on
[06:10] <skunky-> can u get Paramorphan?
[06:10] <skunky-> ah
[06:10] <l0g> is that the marketed name? whats the actual drugname?
[06:10] <skunky-> market
[06:10] <skunky-> im no doctor but you've already proven to yourself that your going to self
[06:11] <skunky-> so thats why im trying to help
[06:11] <l0g> in BC they prescribe heroin....
[06:11] <skunky-> im a regular drug addict so i can relate
[06:11] <l0g> fukd up what country are you in?
[06:11] <l0g> USA?
[06:11] <skunky-> lol geez
[06:11] <skunky-> ya
[06:11] <l0g> ah, what state if you dont mind me askin?
[06:11] <skunky-> ohio
[06:11] <skunky-> u
[06:11] <l0g> ahh, methamphetamine!
[06:11] <l0g> toronto
[06:12] <l0g> well actyally right now LONDON ontario, but mostly toronot
[06:12] <l0g> isnt ohio big for methlabs?
[06:12] <skunky-> methamphetamine?
[06:12] <skunky-> yea
[06:12] <l0g> i heard that, i dont do that tho
[06:12] <skunky-> i use amphetamines daily
[06:12] <skunky-> i have to
[06:12] <skunky-> i dont use alot or enough to get 'fucked up'
[06:12] <l0g> ya thats better than METHamphetamines
[06:13] <skunky-> just enough to change how i feel
[06:13] <skunky-> naw i have
[06:13] <skunky-> stronger drugs than meth
[06:13] <skunky-> but i need em
[06:13] <skunky-> ive tried killing myself a few times
[06:13] <skunky-> i use dexamphetamine
[06:13] <skunky-> 1.2 times stronger than meth
[06:13] <l0g> there is stronger drugs than methamphetamine?
[06:13] <skunky-> meth is just easier to make
[06:13] <skunky-> and you cannot quantify how much u use
[06:13] <l0g> dex, is that like, DXM? cough syrup?
[06:13] <skunky-> so people use mass amounts of it
[06:14] <skunky-> nooo
[06:14] <l0g> 0k
[06:14] <l0g> haha
[06:14] <skunky-> dex is dextroamphetimine
[06:14] <l0g> ddidnt think so
[06:14] <skunky-> dxm is like pcp
[06:14] <skunky-> same thing really
[06:14] <l0g> and this is STRONGER than METHamphetamine?
[06:14] <skunky-> at high does
[06:14] <skunky-> yea
[06:14] <skunky-> people use tons of meth at once
[06:14] <l0g> and you can get it in pills, ,like desoxyn?
[06:14] <skunky-> if u used the same amount of dex
[06:14] <skunky-> u'd die at half the dose
[06:14] <skunky-> uh ya
[06:14] <skunky-> thats how i get it
[06:15] <skunky-> i con.
[06:15] <l0g> oh wow its prescribed?
[06:15] <skunky-> but not really con, i need it
[06:15] <skunky-> yea, oh yea
[06:15] <l0g> are you familiar with desoxyn?
[06:15] <l0g> that is methamphetamine right?
[06:15] <skunky-> demorol is a synthetic heroin.
[06:15] <skunky-> yea
[06:15] <skunky-> thats exactly what it is
[06:15] <skunky-> but not as strong as dex/adderall
[06:15] <l0g> ahh, wow i didnt think docs gave that shit out
[06:15] <skunky-> weaker
[06:15] <skunky-> oh yea
[06:16] <skunky-> not really tho
[06:16] <skunky-> anymore
[06:16] <skunky-> theres
[06:16] <l0g> addreall? is that like ritalin?
[06:16] <l0g> no probably not eh
[06:16] <l0g> here in london ppl do ritalin all the time
[06:16] <skunky-> noo
[06:16] <skunky-> see
[06:16] <skunky-> theres other drugs that arnt Schedule II
[06:16] <skunky-> they they try before adderall
[06:17] <skunky-> they wont preauth adderall/dex unless
[06:17] <l0g> if u dont mind, what could u be prescribed this for?
[06:17] <skunky-> you try like 5 other meds
[06:17] <skunky-> before
[06:17] <l0g> ahh
[06:17] <l0g> whats preauth?
[06:17] <skunky-> adhd, narcolpsey and chronic depression(unadertised use, and also denyed by
[06:18] <skunky-> getting the ensurence to pay for it
[06:18] <skunky-> because of the high risk for abuse
[06:18] <l0g> in the states you have to PAYPAYPAY right? so, is it easy to get docs to prescr
[06:18] <skunky-> yes
[06:18] <l0g> it dont werk like that here
[06:19] <l0g> couldnt i go see a doc in like michigan or something?
[06:19] <l0g> is it expensive to go see one?
[06:19] <skunky-> yea
[06:20] <skunky-> like
[06:20] <l0g> how do prescriptions work there? here you can still fraud them
[06:20] <skunky-> 200 for 15 minutes
[06:20] <skunky-> well
[06:20] <l0g> holy shit man imlucky to have free health care
[06:20] <l0g> holy fuk
[06:20] <skunky-> yea
[06:20] <skunky-> unless u have ensurence
[06:20] <skunky-> like me
[06:20] <skunky-> its free
[06:20] <l0g> ahh yes, you NEED that eh
[06:20] <skunky-> but getting the perscriptions
[06:21] <skunky-> u NEED ensurence adderalls like $90
[06:21] <skunky-> for a 30day supply
[06:21] <l0g> like, can you MAKE your own scripts?
[06:21] <skunky-> nope
[06:21] <skunky-> not with narcotices
[06:21] <skunky-> narcotics*
[06:21] <l0g> 90$ aint bad... oxy is mad expensive
[06:21] <skunky-> they call the doctor
[06:21] <skunky-> and 'preautherize'
[06:21] <l0g> why not? EVERYTIME tho??????????
[06:21] <skunky-> ;]
[06:21] <skunky-> exactly.
[06:21] <l0g> they do that here if they suspicious
[06:21] <l0g> but not EVERYTIME
[06:21] <l0g> DAMMMN
[06:21] <skunky-> they do it all the time here
[06:22] <l0g> thats a preauth eh damn
[06:22] <skunky-> plus there is machines that they run the script threw
[06:22] <skunky-> to make ur its real
[06:22] <skunky-> and the doctors keep there pads in there pockets always
[06:22] <l0g> WHAT? they have like anti-fraud measures built into the script paper?
[06:22] <l0g> i have seen that before, but really, the scripts here i can make on my printer
[06:23] <skunky-> plus there the only ones with the narcotic dea numbers, you cannot call in
[06:23] <skunky-> geez
[06:23] <skunky-> yea its like
[06:23] <skunky-> money basicly
[06:23] <skunky-> the maker effect
[06:23] <skunky-> so they can test it to see if the paper is the certant kind
[06:23] <l0g> BUT, the docs willl give you oxy if you want oxy, because you paid him to do it
[06:24] <skunky-> u get caught doing this you goto Prison
[06:24] <l0g> EVERYTIME?
[06:24] <skunky-> noo
[06:24] <skunky-> fuck yea everytime
[06:24] <skunky-> dea crawls up ur ass
[06:24] <skunky-> if you ask
[06:24] <skunky-> for a narcotic
[06:24] <skunky-> you get red flaged
[06:24] <l0g> i DID get caught doing it here in ontario, and i got 30 days
[06:24] <skunky-> they mark it down and you will never get it or anything like it
[06:24] <skunky-> and it sticks in ur medical record
[06:25] <skunky-> phew 30days?
[06:25] <skunky-> your looking at years
[06:25] <l0g> no i mean EVERYTIME you goto a doc to get oxy, they give it to you because you
[06:25] <skunky-> oxy is one you cant get under medicaid ensurence
[06:25] <skunky-> they have to try 5 or so morphine suftate pills first and have to fail.
[06:25] <l0g> but thats OK, so you pay for it, the doctors DONT say NO?
[06:25] <skunky-> no dude
[06:25] <skunky-> they say no
[06:26] <l0g> ahh ok
[06:26] <skunky-> <skunky-> if you ask
[06:26] <skunky-> <skunky-> for a narcotic
[06:26] <skunky-> <skunky-> you get red flaged
[06:26] <l0g> i thought they wouldnt cause they gettin paid
[06:26] <l0g> AHHHH
[06:26] <skunky-> no
[06:26] <l0g> just ASK?
[06:26] <skunky-> just ask ya
[06:26] <skunky-> depends how u ask
[06:26] <l0g> they have to TELL you you NEED one right?
[06:26] <skunky-> if u ask nicely you will still never get it
[06:26] <l0g> you have to have the symptoms
[06:26] <skunky-> but they wont right it down that u asked
[06:26] <skunky-> yea you have to put on an act
[06:26] <l0g> HOLY SHIT, i cant believe the statessometimes
[06:27] <skunky-> yea
[06:27] <l0g> that is completely fukd up
[06:27] <skunky-> to get oxy now..
[06:27] <skunky-> thats almost impossible
[06:27] <skunky-> because of the abuse
[06:27] <l0g> REALLY?
[06:27] <l0g> here too
[06:27] <skunky-> not because its 'the best' its not
[06:27] <skunky-> but because of the abuse people ruined it
[06:27] <l0g> no doc wants in on prescribing that anymore
[06:27] <skunky-> if you havew cancer and need it
[06:27] <l0g> yah
[06:28] <l0g> if your dying anyways...
[06:28] <skunky-> the doctor looks you over, but in the end the government has to aprove your
[06:28] <l0g> are you JOKING?
[06:28] <skunky-> newp
[06:28] <skunky-> like
[06:28] <skunky-> if theres an incodent
[06:28] <l0g> what about 40z?
[06:28] <skunky-> depends
[06:28] <skunky-> like
[06:28] <l0g> JUST the 80z eh?
[06:28] <skunky-> if u lose your script
[06:28] <skunky-> naw any kind
[06:28] <skunky-> if u lose your script
[06:28] <l0g> YEAH! a common way to get a refill!!
[06:29] <skunky-> uh no
[06:29] <skunky-> let me finish
[06:29] <skunky-> lol
[06:29] <l0g> haha ok sorry
[06:29] <skunky-> if u lose your script the doctors useually
[06:29] <skunky-> tell you they dont want you in your practice
[06:29] <skunky-> Even if u have cancer
[06:29] <l0g> HOLY shit man
[06:29] <skunky-> its not uncommon for it to get stolen
[06:29] <skunky-> thats why they say
[06:29] <l0g> i thought it was more LAX in USA, it is NOT
[06:29] <skunky-> never have it on you and keep it in a safe or locked up
[06:30] <skunky-> no
[06:30] <skunky-> not with narcotics
[06:30] <skunky-> if u use your script
[06:30] <l0g> yes you have to get methadone in a locked box for carries here in toronto
[06:30] <skunky-> and a doctor tells you to go somewhere else
[06:30] <skunky-> no other doctor will want u either
[06:30] <l0g> nope
[06:30] <skunky-> so you have to go threw the government
[06:30] <l0g> and then the DEA will have you redflagged?
[06:30] <skunky-> you will be under indestigation
[06:30] <l0g> they have NONE of the safeguards in place here in canada
[06:30] <skunky-> if u lose your script
[06:31] <skunky-> hehe ic
[06:31] <skunky-> ya if u lose a controlled substance
[06:31] <skunky-> in the higher scheduling
[06:31] <skunky-> actually
[06:31] <skunky-> Any controlled substance
[06:31] <l0g> and i passed a script that i wrote 90 x 80mg oxy, on the bottom of the page, th
[06:31] <skunky-> you MUST fill out a police report
[06:31] <skunky-> MUST
[06:32] <l0g> yes ive heard of that before
[06:32] <skunky-> yea
[06:32] <l0g> see but i was doin the script thing for a looong time...
[06:32] <l0g> like close to a year
[06:32] <skunky-> hehe
[06:32] <skunky-> that wouldn't work ONCE here
[06:32] <l0g> just get a script and write like my doctor
[06:32] <skunky-> unless u where a doctor
[06:32] <skunky-> i dunno bout there but
[06:32] <l0g> and this is not just ohio right, this is everywhere?
[06:33] <skunky-> they write in serously a 'secret code'
[06:33] <skunky-> so .. yae
[06:33] <l0g> thats the dea number right?
[06:33] <skunky-> USA ingeneral
[06:33] <skunky-> not just them
[06:33] <skunky-> but
[06:33] <skunky-> for example if there giving u a script for oxy
[06:33] <skunky-> u dont see oxy
[06:33] <l0g> ahhhh
[06:33] <skunky-> u see a skuggly line
[06:33] <skunky-> like a 4 year old doodled on it
[06:33] <skunky-> one line
[06:33] <skunky-> that says
[06:34] <l0g> latin?
[06:34] <skunky-> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah take one..... before
[06:34] <skunky-> one little line
[06:34] <skunky-> naw i dunno what it is
[06:34] <skunky-> they cant often read it tho
[06:34] <skunky-> the pharmists
[06:34] <l0g> because i had to learn the shorthand they use here when i was writing the scrip
[06:34] <skunky-> so they call in to see what the doctor wrote
[06:34] <skunky-> thats why u cant forge em
[06:35] <skunky-> yea here too
[06:35] <l0g> i know them, but they are common info
[06:35] <skunky-> but theres things going on only doctors know ;p
[06:35] <skunky-> yea
[06:35] <l0g> yes especially in USA it seems they know what the fuk they doin
[06:35] <skunky-> doctors here are crucid
[06:35] <l0g> they dont want ppl on narcotics
[06:36] <skunky-> no they dont
[06:36] <l0g> i cant believe its so lax here, needs to be exploited
[06:36] <skunky-> its there goal to make all narcotics illegal
[06:36] <skunky-> yea
[06:36] <skunky-> if u break ur foot
[06:36] <skunky-> they useually will give u ultram
[06:36] <l0g> they only way there would be to ROB a pharm
[06:36] <skunky-> and thats it
[06:36] <skunky-> or darvocet
[06:36] <l0g> garbage
[06:36] <skunky-> no more percs or vics unless its real bad
[06:36] <skunky-> yea
[06:36] <skunky-> someone did that
[06:36] <skunky-> robbed it
[06:37] <l0g> i imagine it happens all the time
[06:37] <skunky-> pointed a gun at em and assked for oxycontin
[06:37] <skunky-> but
[06:37] <l0g> my friend did it here
[06:37] <skunky-> the cops get there in 2 seconds
[06:37] <skunky-> for that
[06:37] <l0g> 7-10 years
[06:37] <skunky-> you can get ur House robbed
[06:37] <skunky-> and the cops will take forever
[06:37] <l0g> and they dont show up
[06:37] <l0g> hahahahah
[06:37] <skunky-> but when they hit that button
[06:37] <skunky-> ya lol
[06:37] <skunky-> the cops are like right around the courner
[06:37] <l0g> my friend did 2 pharms
[06:37] <skunky-> u never get away with that
[06:37] <skunky-> geez
[06:37] <l0g> and got caught like 2 weeks later
[06:38] <l0g> cause he kept the oxy bottl,es with the lot #'s on em
[06:38] <skunky-> lol
[06:38] <l0g> he wasnt the smartest, didnt know about lot numbers
[06:39] <l0g> so my idea of going to michigan to get subutex or just narcotics in general pro
[06:39] <skunky-> what you do is..
[06:39] <skunky-> come to the use
[06:39] <skunky-> usa*
[06:39] <skunky-> check yourself into a drug rehab clinic
[06:39] <skunky-> and talk to them
[06:39] <skunky-> tell them your side effects on methadone
[06:40] <skunky-> ask for something Else. and just leave it at that
[06:40] <skunky-> dont bring up a name
[06:40] <skunky-> and they should pay for everything
[06:40] <l0g> i wonder how much $$$ that would cost...
[06:40] <skunky-> if its a hard drug addiction
[06:40] <skunky-> nothing
[06:40] <l0g> RELLY>?
[06:40] <skunky-> america sucks with medical but
[06:40] <skunky-> we dont let people
[06:40] <skunky-> die
[06:40] <skunky-> because they dont have money
[06:41] <l0g> yeah just send em a bill and bankrupt they ass
[06:41] <l0g> hahha
[06:41] <skunky-> hehe
[06:41] <skunky-> well
[06:41] <skunky-> hospital will do that
[06:41] <skunky-> they can Not refuse you
[06:41] <skunky-> because u dont have medical
[06:41] <skunky-> but they will send u a bill
[06:41] <skunky-> but
[06:41] <skunky-> drug rehab clinics
[06:41] <skunky-> pretty sure there free
[06:41] <l0g> i would be so broke if i live in usa, with me going to see docs so much
[06:41] <skunky-> unless its a private one
[06:41] <skunky-> yea
[06:42] <l0g> i go SOOO much, like quad doctor sometimes
[06:42] <skunky-> when ur on drugs
[06:42] <skunky-> its different
[06:42] <skunky-> they dont like that
[06:42] <skunky-> so they try to help
[06:42] <skunky-> now
[06:42] <skunky-> if ur like me
[06:42] <skunky-> and get caught using hard drugs
[06:42] <skunky-> the first time
[06:42] <l0g> how old are you skunky- ?
[06:42] <skunky-> they give u a chance to goto drug court
[06:42] <skunky-> 21 u
[06:42] <l0g> 28
[06:42] <skunky-> cool
[06:43] <l0g> yaman!
[06:43] <skunky-> im young but im sqift
[06:43] <skunky-> heh
[06:43] <l0g> i head about drug court
[06:43] <skunky-> swift*
[06:43] <skunky-> yea
[06:43] <skunky-> i cant do it tho
[06:43] <skunky-> because
[06:43] <l0g> the states actually can take your pee and if you dirty put you in JAIL
[06:43] <l0g> random testing probabtion
[06:43] <skunky-> well its a choice, you dont have to go just looks better cuz if u dont go,
[06:43] <skunky-> exactly
[06:43] <skunky-> every week
[06:43] <skunky-> but
[06:44] <skunky-> i dont give a shit about that
[06:44] <skunky-> the problem is
[06:44] <skunky-> u cannot be on Any perscription narcotics
[06:44] <l0g> i guess not
[06:44] <skunky-> so even if ur addicted to heroin
[06:44] <skunky-> and they perscrib u methadone ur fucked
[06:44] <skunky-> even if u have a fuckin script
[06:44] <skunky-> that annoyes me
[06:44] <skunky-> and im on hardcore uppers
[06:44] <l0g> see that is like waaaay to intrusive to a person, canada would NEVER do that
[06:44] <skunky-> so i had to decline
[06:45] <skunky-> yea
[06:45] <skunky-> they do it cuz of people who 'con' is my guess
[06:45] <skunky-> or
[06:45] <l0g> i have to piss at methadone place, but its dirty all the time, they dont care
[06:45] <l0g> imon probation for the scriupt thing, they dont make ANYONE piss
[06:45] <skunky-> and they dont want u commin in with a buzz
[06:45] <skunky-> hehe
[06:45] <l0g> well yes see they have all the angles covered.. thats FUKD
[06:46] <skunky-> thats a fantacy here
[06:46] <l0g> its like such a level of mistrust
[06:46] <skunky-> yea
[06:46] <l0g> man i cant believe it
[06:46] <skunky-> and they eyeball you when u piss
[06:46] <l0g> YA!
[06:46] <skunky-> they stare at your dick threw a mirror
[06:46] <skunky-> so u cant put the wizzer on
[06:46] <skunky-> fuck that.
[06:46] <l0g> cause you could get fake pee or someone elses
[06:46] <skunky-> not watching my dick when i piss, how ignorant is that
[06:47] <l0g> you have to FILL your bladder with someone elses urine, with a cathader
[06:47] <l0g> thats FUKD
[06:47] <l0g> but it can be done, i bet they figured that out IN the states dammit@
[06:47] <skunky-> hehe
[06:48] <skunky-> no u can probably get away with that
[06:48] <skunky-> but doing that
[06:48] <l0g> i wouldnt do it
[06:48] <skunky-> can be fatal
[06:48] <l0g> hahahhah
[06:48] <skunky-> yea
[06:48] <skunky-> lol
[06:48] <l0g> fukin HARDCORE of the HARDCOREST
[06:48] <skunky-> i have a cath foley somewhere
[06:48] <skunky-> ya
[06:48] <l0g> doin tht shit
[06:48] <skunky-> no cuz
[06:48] <skunky-> i used to be a hydrocodone addict
[06:48] <skunky-> hardcore
[06:49] <skunky-> and it caused unrine retention in the worst way
[06:49] <skunky-> :/
[06:49] <l0g> yeah i have never taken hydro, but i imagine oxy would be better
[06:49] <skunky-> they got sick of me going to the hospital
[06:49] <l0g> have you taken oxymorphone?
[06:49] <skunky-> so they showed me how to do it on ur own
[06:49] <l0g> ahh fuk thats fukd
[06:49] <skunky-> naw that kinda stuff would be
[06:49] <skunky-> if 123532536 other opiates didn't do the trick
[06:49] <l0g> too hard to get?
[06:49] <skunky-> yea
[06:50] <l0g> ahh
[06:50] <l0g> its only injection eh
[06:50] <l0g> i figured that would be one hardcore opioid
[06:50] <skunky-> not nessecarilly
[06:50] <skunky-> yea
[06:50] <l0g> what is the MOST hardcore? fentanyl?
[06:50] <skunky-> that is legal yes
[06:50] <skunky-> then demorol
[06:50] <l0g> yah
[06:51] <l0g> hmmm
[06:51] <l0g> u can get heron there in ohio obviously right?
[06:51] <skunky-> dont do heroin
[06:51] <skunky-> ya u can tho
[06:51] <l0g> but if you did
[06:51] <l0g> ok
[06:51] <l0g> i have never either
[06:51] <skunky-> u can get anything
[06:51] <skunky-> accept quaaludes
[06:51] <skunky-> or older barbiturates like seconal
[06:51] <l0g> i never seen them before either
[06:52] <skunky-> yea
[06:52] <skunky-> pcp is scarce also
[06:52] <l0g> i get diazapam easy enough
[06:52] <l0g> but that is a benzo
[06:52] <skunky-> yea
[06:52] <skunky-> yea i dont like it
[06:52] <l0g> me neither
[06:52] <skunky-> benzos are like having a shot of whiskey
[06:52] <l0g> only if im in hard withdrawl
[06:52] <skunky-> nothing in them to enduse happiness
[06:52] <skunky-> its all in ur head
[06:52] <skunky-> yea they help for that
[06:52] <l0g> i lit a mattress on fire smokin on diazapam
[06:53] <skunky-> hehe
[06:53] <l0g> its such a gross buzz from benzos
[06:53] <skunky-> yea
[06:53] <skunky-> dead
[06:53] <skunky-> i compare it to
[06:53] <l0g> its like your memory is scrambled
[06:53] <skunky-> MPPP, or
[06:53] <l0g> whats mppp?
[06:53] <skunky-> wheres it at
[06:53] <skunky-> PEPAP
[06:53] <skunky-> would be the strongest
[06:53] <skunky-> illegal opiates
[06:54] <l0g> pepap?
[06:54] <l0g> wha?
[06:54] <skunky-> there synthetic heroins
[06:54] <skunky-> since heroin is illegal
[06:54] <skunky-> some chemists took the heroin compound
[06:54] <skunky-> and
[06:54] <skunky-> changed it a tweak
[06:54] <l0g> added a molecule hah
[06:54] <skunky-> or enhaced it
[06:54] <skunky-> yea
[06:54] <skunky-> so its not illegal
[06:54] <skunky-> for the time being
[06:54] <skunky-> untill it gets ruled out
[06:55] <l0g> PEPAP IS illegal?
[06:55] <l0g> or not?
[06:55] <skunky-> fuck yea
[06:55] <skunky-> now
[06:55] <skunky-> but
[06:55] <skunky-> not when it was first made
[06:55] <l0g> ah i see when they first
[06:55] <skunky-> they just make it so they can use it
[06:55] <skunky-> themselves
[06:55] <l0g> ya have to have time for them to make illegal
[06:55] <skunky-> and make up reasons
[06:55] <skunky-> why they made it and call it a 'research drug'
[06:55] <skunky-> exactly
[06:56] <l0g> see i wish i could MAKE it
[06:56] <l0g> how many years of school would that take?
[06:56] <skunky-> hydrocodone, oxycodone, ect.. u dont think thos where made to actually Help
[06:56] <l0g> what kind of equipment is involved?
[06:56] <skunky-> they where excuses to make legal ways to get high
[06:56] <skunky-> then they become scheduled or illegal
[06:57] <skunky-> oh um
[06:57] <skunky-> i forget what its called
[06:57] <skunky-> theres a name
[06:57] <l0g> well yeah i heard that oxycodone is only one molecule away from heroin, they to
[06:57] <skunky-> ive made XTC before.
[06:57] <skunky-> yea
[06:57] <skunky-> thats a theory
[06:57] <l0g> ahh i see the patent is still ON eh
[06:57] <skunky-> actually hydrocodone is closer
[06:57] <skunky-> to heroin
[06:57] <skunky-> what u mean?
[06:58] <l0g> soon there will be generic extended release oxycodone
[06:58] <l0g> when the patent comes off from purdue
[06:58] <l0g> they patent the drugs so noone else can make em
[06:59] <skunky-> oh
[06:59] <skunky-> yea
[06:59] <l0g> when you say XTC, like ecstasy?
[06:59] <skunky-> yea
[06:59] <l0g> mdma?
[06:59] <skunky-> i just cant spell
[06:59] <skunky-> hehe
[06:59] <skunky-> right
[06:59] <skunky-> thatss
[06:59] <skunky-> one.. of many.
[06:59] <l0g> yeah i heard its not hard, and not as dangerous as methamphet
[06:59] <skunky-> yea
[06:59] <l0g> 2cb
[07:00] <l0g> ?
[07:00] <skunky-> it is meth just tinkered with
[07:00] <l0g> yeah
[07:00] <skunky-> eh close to 2cb
[07:00] <skunky-> yea
[07:00] <l0g> see i wish i had some chemistry background
[07:00] <skunky-> hehe
[07:00] <skunky-> you have to be awfully careful making drugs bro
[07:01] <skunky-> you need to test them on animals
[07:01] <skunky-> rats
[07:01] <skunky-> and study there reaction
[07:01] <l0g> but seriously how do they synthesize opiates, its like a HIDDEN secret process
[07:01] <l0g> someone has to know
[07:01] <skunky-> if a rat jumps in circles, and tries chacing his tail, in humans that would
[07:01] <skunky-> things like that u must know
[07:01] <skunky-> wel
[07:01] <l0g> yes tail flick tests and shit
[07:01] <skunky-> right
[07:02] <skunky-> theres a process ofcourse
[07:02] <skunky-> first they
[07:02] <l0g> but its secret?
[07:02] <skunky-> take the poppy plant
[07:02] <l0g> ok
[07:02] <skunky-> nothings a secret
[07:02] <l0g> HOW to do it is a secret no?
[07:02] <skunky-> tthen they extract the morphine
[07:02] <l0g> yep
[07:02] <skunky-> doing it is a no
[07:02] <skunky-> but knowing how isnt
[07:02] <skunky-> then they extract the codeine
[07:03] <l0g> then they play with molecules
[07:03] <l0g> ?
[07:03] <skunky-> morphine is only 10% and codeine is only 0.5% i believe
[07:03] <skunky-> sorta but no
[07:03] <skunky-> and they use i forget what its called
[07:03] <l0g> ahh 10% opium?
[07:03] <l0g> no
[07:03] <skunky-> its a clumsy word like photosynthith
[07:04] <skunky-> but i forget it
[07:04] <skunky-> yea the
[07:04] <l0g> synthesize
[07:04] <skunky-> well
[07:04] <skunky-> the poppy pod have thousands and thousands of chemecials you inhale
[07:04] <skunky-> when u smoke it
[07:04] <l0g> alkaloids?
[07:04] <skunky-> like marijauna but far more
[07:04] <skunky-> yep exactly
[07:04] <l0g> ok
[07:04] <skunky-> but
[07:04] <skunky-> the only 2 that matter are morphine and codeine
[07:05] <l0g> oh they extract the alkaloids
[07:05] <skunky-> there naturally derived opiates
[07:05] <l0g> ok
[07:05] <skunky-> yea the rest it waste
[07:05] <skunky-> and they take one
[07:05] <skunky-> we'll say morphine
[07:05] <l0g> oh from morphine, they play with it to make it oxy
[07:05] <skunky-> oxy is sinthetic codiene more
[07:05] <skunky-> oxycontin
[07:06] <skunky-> but they take the morphine
[07:06] <skunky-> or codiene
[07:06] <skunky-> and use a process to define the chemistry
[07:06] <skunky-> and they dont 'change' it
[07:06] <skunky-> but
[07:06] <skunky-> recreate it
[07:06] <skunky-> sintheticly
[07:06] <skunky-> and change it to however they want
[07:06] <skunky-> basicly.
[07:06] <l0g> yeah, but see, there is aGUY somewhere right now, who can do it in a lab with e
[07:07] <l0g> at purdue lets say
[07:07] <l0g> i want to be that guy
[07:07] <skunky-> ya u can
[07:07] <skunky-> if you know what ur doing
[07:07] <l0g> so u learn from where, skool?
[07:07] <skunky-> but its not as easy as making methamphetamine
[07:07] <l0g> no not even close i imagine
[07:07] <skunky-> naw i didn't goto school
[07:07] <skunky-> i did, but not a real one
[07:07] <skunky-> long story
[07:07] <l0g> no i mean where would a person get the knowledge? from a skool?
[07:08] <skunky-> school never touched anyone anything, reading and researching does
[07:08] <skunky-> oh yea
[07:08] <skunky-> you have to become a chemist
[07:08] <l0g> ya
[07:08] <skunky-> then you get proved by the dea
[07:08] <skunky-> they give u your own set of numbers
[07:08] <skunky-> and you have to account for every drug you make
[07:08] <skunky-> there has to be a reason
[07:09] <skunky-> but it is illegal to make drugs of any kind without a licence
[07:09] <skunky-> not illegal to posses research drugs but to make them yea
[07:09] <l0g> hmm
[07:09] <l0g> they just caught a guy here an old retired professor, with a lab in his house,
[07:10] <skunky-> yea
[07:10] <skunky-> thats not allowed
[07:10] <skunky-> it's not what they call a controlled invirerment
[07:10] <l0g> i should go look him up, they never charged him cause he is like 80+ they just
[07:10] <skunky-> lol
[07:10] <l0g> get him to teach me!
[07:10] <skunky-> hehe
[07:10] <skunky-> most chemists
[07:11] <skunky-> do not have good intentions
[07:11] <skunky-> they want to just make money or get high
[07:11] <l0g> what you mean?
[07:11] <l0g> hahaha
[07:11] <l0g> really?
[07:11] <l0g> ya that would be my intention
[07:11] <l0g> if you are a criminal can u be a chemist still?
[07:11] <l0g> like, have a record
[07:11] <skunky-> theres no need for as many sinthic opiates as there are
[07:11] <skunky-> think about it
[07:11] <l0g> no shit eh
[07:11] <skunky-> they made them for an excuse for money
[07:11] <l0g> DEFinitely
[07:12] <skunky-> i would doubt it highly
[07:12] <skunky-> Highly
[07:12] <skunky-> you cant be a doctor even
[07:12] <skunky-> if u have a record
[07:12] <skunky-> some people goto prison and the education is free so they get doctor degree
[07:12] <skunky-> cuz there board
[07:12] <skunky-> but when they get out that doesnt mean there getting a licence
[07:12] <l0g> hey skunky- man i am COLD as fuk, and sweating, so its time for the daily gottd
[07:12] <l0g> ahhh i see
[07:13] <l0g> i wil be back on here in like 1.5 hours..
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[15:42] <skunky-> MPPP, MPTP(New Heroin); synthetic heroin
[15:42] <skunky-> anyone ever do this?
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Session Close: Fri Sep 08 00:00:00 2006