Session Start: Thu Feb 21 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #Help
[00:00] * desireusa slaps desireusa around a bit with a large trout
[00:04] <Rob235> hey
[00:04] <Rob235> in excel 2k7 both the columns and rows are named by number, shouldnt the col
[00:55] <Cassfresh> anyone know where dell notebooks are made/
[00:55] <Cassfresh> ?
[01:05] <dB02> what lightweight capture software will work with an mpg 2 capture card (WinTV
[01:12] <dB02> anybody?
[01:15] <blc> dB02: virtualdub might.. depending on the driver..
[01:15] <blc> dB02: if not.. look through the forums at videohelp.com
[01:17] <dB02> hmmm ok
[01:17] <dB02> vdub didnt work
[01:17] <dB02> tried that one
[01:17] <dB02> blah
[01:17] <dB02> the software it came with is crap too
[01:17] <iNToIT> dB02 VLC may do it
[01:17] <iNToIT> it has "open capture device" under File
[01:18] <dB02> hm ok
[01:18] <Cassfresh> hey yo
[01:19] <jacknasty> when it says tilapia fish 1.10/100mg and 1.33/100mg is there much differe
[01:19] <Cassfresh> just ordered one and am wondering where they are actually put together
[01:19] <Cassfresh> Dell notebooks
[01:19] <iNToIT> jacknasty, if I'm looking at what you're saying correctly, it's not a huge d
[01:20] <iNToIT> but I've never seen fish size rated that way
[01:20] <iNToIT> *shrug*
[01:20] <jacknasty> 13 milligrams vs 11 milligrams
[01:20] <jacknasty> not much diff?
[01:20] <iNToIT> depends on what exactly you're measuring
[01:20] <jacknasty> fish lol
[01:21] <iNToIT> in miligrams?
[01:21] <jacknasty> im looking at a online flyer
[01:21] <iNToIT> *milligrams
[01:21] <jacknasty> sec
[01:21] <iNToIT> that looks more like a rating of something IN the fish
[01:22] <jacknasty> http://www.zehrs.ca/thisWeeksFlyer.aspx
[01:22] <jacknasty> crap
[01:22] <iNToIT> Cassfresh, Dell notebooks are put together all over the world. they have dif
[01:22] <jacknasty> http://eflyer.zehrs.ca/cached_images/pages/Zehrs_2872cc1e-2c93-4343-a594-
[01:23] <jacknasty> 1.10/100g
[01:23] <iNToIT> jacknasty, whatever that is, it's not the fish size
[01:23] <jacknasty> oh
[01:23] <iNToIT> might be fat content, or mercury content..etc etc
[01:23] <jacknasty> hrm
[01:24] <jacknasty> odd
[01:24] <jacknasty> not sure which to go with
[01:24] <iNToIT> the fish size itself is based on the 499/lb
[01:24] <jacknasty> but the 1.33/100g is more expensive
[01:24] <jacknasty> dollar more a lb
[01:24] <iNToIT> call the store, and ASK
[01:24] <jacknasty> k ty
[01:24] <iNToIT> yw
[01:25] <iNToIT> then come back and tell me :)
[01:25] <iNToIT> (curious)
[01:25] <jacknasty> hah k i gotta wait like 5 hours
[01:25] <jacknasty> :/
[01:25] <jacknasty> looking at online flyers
[01:26] <iNToIT> ^^
[02:08] <cyrax83> hey guys I need a little bit of help with my laptop. It's a very fast lapto
[02:08] <cyrax83> I think it has something to do with windows searching for the network or ma
[02:08] <cyrax83> Domain issue, its a work laptop
[02:15] <Molgrew> are there any good reasons to store passwords as plaintext in a database?
[02:19] <Tan> I changed mightve changed my isp and now i cant use my web browsers
[02:19] <Tan> HELP!
[02:20] <Tan> sorry not my isp my
[02:20] <Tan> #helpchat
[02:37] <iNToIT> CyraX666
[02:37] <iNToIT> err
[02:37] <iNToIT> cyrax83
[02:37] <iNToIT> it's looking for network drives you have mapped
[02:38] <iNToIT> cyrax83 create another login on the machine, and don't map any drives for it
[02:38] <iNToIT> login/user
[03:05] <steph3n> Is it possible to download youtube-movies with some program?
[03:07] <dp> you didn't google
[03:07] <steph3n> Ive tried some progs but didnt get them to work..
[03:08] <dp> I found a bunch of them first try googling
[03:19] <steph3n> worked
[03:28] <meb> hrmm in Excel, what function would be used to show todays date or the current d
[03:29] <dp> google
[03:29] <dp> bet you find it faster that way
[03:29] <Jumpie> sup all
[03:29] <Jumpie> anyoen know any good investing faqs for noobies
[03:29] <dp> I help those who help themselves
[03:30] <meb> lol
[03:30] <meb> heheh i tried, but i didn't phrase it right; until I can here and though of the
[03:31] <dp> lol, no worries =)
[03:35] <elem> hello
[03:50] <Eskaz> hello
[03:51] <Eskaz> can someone tell me what sizes i must put in virtual memory(windows) recommen
[03:51] <Eskaz> i have 1gb ram and 200gb hdd ide
[03:52] <dp> just let it do it itself
[03:52] <dp> beings how you dunno what yer doind otherwise
[03:52] <Eskaz> i have touch them and my hdd crashed
[03:52] <dp> *doing
[03:52] <Eskaz> change them *
[03:52] <Hastor> yeah, though if you have more than one hdd and the second one is as fast or
[03:52] <Hastor> hdd
[03:52] <Eskaz> 1 hdd with 3 partitions
[03:52] <Eskaz> os/data/misc
[03:53] <dp> still one hd
[03:53] <Eskaz> in os i must put the initial and the max i guess 1534
[03:53] <Eskaz> what minimum should i give?
[03:53] <dp> just leave it at computer controlled
[03:53] <Eskaz> no paging file?
[03:53] <dp> no
[03:53] <Eskaz> system managed size my hdd crashed dude
[03:53] <dp> thats not what I said
[03:54] <Eskaz> thats what i said beofre
[03:54] <Eskaz> before *
[03:54] <dp> it isn't your vmem then
[03:54] <dp> its your system
[03:54] <dp> prolly just windows
[03:54] <Eskaz> before that it was stable
[03:54] <Eskaz> ;s
[03:54] <dp> possibly an error on your hd in the vmem area
[03:54] <Eskaz> yeah blue screen:)
[03:54] <dp> google the error #
[03:54] <dp> don't just assume
[03:54] <Eskaz> well
[03:55] <Eskaz> it was restarting my pc
[03:55] <dp> it's called pen and paper
[03:56] <dp> how do you even know it was bevcause of your vmem?
[03:56] <Eskaz> bcuz before that it was all ok
[03:56] <dp> before what?
[03:56] <Eskaz> let me get you a screen to see
[03:56] <dp> I don't want to see
[03:56] <Eskaz> before i touch the vmem sizes
[03:57] <Eskaz> dont be silly
[03:57] <dp> then put it back as windows controlled, and thats my final answer
[03:57] <Eskaz> again
[03:57] <Eskaz> omg
[03:57] <Eskaz> http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5561/79423816kj1.jpg
[03:57] <dp> yup, thats a link
[03:57] <Eskaz> yup see it
[03:57] <dp> no
[03:57] <Eskaz> and tell me the initial size what should i give
[03:57] <dp> didn't look
[03:58] <Eskaz> idfc if u see there are many people here
[03:58] <dp> if you don't like the answer given, seek help elsewhere
[03:58] <Eskaz> you are not only one
[03:58] <dp> I'm the only one awake
[03:58] <Eskaz> Hastor, will help me
[03:59] <jackal^> Eskaz, dp's answer (and mine) is to set to Windows managed size
[03:59] <dp> "System managed size:
[03:59] <dp> "System managed size"
[03:59] <Eskaz> but its one hdd(200gb) and got 3 partitions
[03:59] <jackal^> so?
[03:59] <dp> so?
[03:59] <Eskaz> doesnt matter?
[03:59] <jackal^> no
[03:59] <dp> we told you that 5 mins ago
[04:00] <Eskaz> okok;>
[04:00] <Eskaz> i just want to be sure before i have the same mistake
[04:01] <jackal^> by default its set like that
[04:01] <iroiro> is there any way to make windows language switcher swith to certain language
[04:02] <iroiro> winxp, that is
[04:02] <Dr_Nick22> Does downloading mp3s work the same way on a Mac as a PC? Like could I go
[04:02] <dp> same as windows
[04:02] <dp> different types of computer don't change web sites
[04:03] <Dr_Nick22> cool, so the file type is mac compatible
[04:04] <jackal^> iroiro, what are you talking about? im switching with ctrl+shift and alt+sh
[04:04] <jackal^> afaik, these are the only combination possible
[04:05] <iroiro> jackal^, since i use ~5 languages, i want to have more options
[04:05] <dp> no
[04:05] <dp> you can get software to do macros and stuff
[04:05] <dp> prolly get something to set windows key combos too
[04:05] <dp> win-1 win-2 etc
[04:06] <jackal^> well ctrl+shift scrolls them for me
[04:06] <iroiro> scrolling is slow
[04:07] <jackal^> i used to use a program called flextype
[04:07] <iroiro> dp, i'd like to switch between russian and english with alt-shift and use ot
[04:07] <dp> again
[04:07] <iroiro> for this, a macro is not enough as you can see :|
[04:07] <dp> you can get a program to make macros for those things
[04:07] <dp> then wtf
[04:08] <dp> know what? I don't want to know
[04:10] * kiss161 is now known as kiss161|a
[04:12] * dp is now known as dirt
[04:14] * kiss161|a is now known as kiss161
[04:16] * kiss161 is now known as kiss161|a
[04:34] <Torob> is a FSB:DRAM 2:3 any good? i got e4500 and crucial 2x1gb PC2-6400
[04:34] <Torob> i heard 1:1 is better, but i also heard on new systems, it doesnt really matt
[04:36] * kiss161|a is now known as kiss161
[04:39] <zerdd> my memory latency is 68.4 ns. is it bad?
[04:39] <InWis> sveiki
[04:39] <InWis> hi
[04:40] <InWis> someone
[04:40] <InWis> ?
[04:41] <InWis> e blet
[04:41] <InWis> negi nieko nera?
[04:41] <InWis> ahujiet
[04:42] <crossfire> speak english
[04:43] <zerdd> crossfire
[04:43] <zerdd> do u know about memory overclocking?
[04:43] <Dingalin> you are what? going to blow up a building?
[04:44] <crossfire> zerdd noup
[04:46] <InWis> hello
[04:46] <InWis> 4 all
[04:51] <InWis> some one
[04:52] <InWis> suck me dick
[04:52] <crossfire> ?
[04:52] <InWis> a sory
[04:52] <InWis> sorry
[04:58] <souji> What an indecisive prick lol
[05:00] <Dingalin> maybe he decided to do it himself
[05:01] <souji> lol
[05:01] <souji> I wouldn't be surprised
[05:15] <OvErWoRlD> hello
[05:15] <OvErWoRlD> can I register a username ?
[05:15] <movedx> OvErWoRlD: No.
[05:16] <movedx> OvErWoRlD: EFnet has no services relating to nicknames or channel names.
[05:16] <OvErWoRlD> ok didn't know first time here
[05:17] <OvErWoRlD> so you can't hide your ip ?
[05:17] <iNToIT> no, efnet provides no extraneous services
[05:17] <OvErWoRlD> ok thanks:)
[05:17] <iNToIT> ^^
[05:38] * matyd1 is now known as matyd
[05:54] <Moha> What would cause my wlan to suddenly become unstable?
[05:59] <Moha> Anyone?
[05:59] <deww> hardware crapping out. external interferences like other routers, wireless dev
[05:59] <deww> man
[05:59] <Moha> Hm
[05:59] <Moha> No routers
[05:59] <deww> stop that "anyone?" crap. it's so annoying
[06:00] * deww stops ranting.
[06:00] <Moha> lol,
[06:00] <Moha> I just needed to bump my question ;p Waited like 5min ;O
[06:00] <deww> notice how no one was talking? :P
[06:00] <Moha> :p
[06:01] <Moha> Cant find any other routers or anything
[06:01] <Moha> And with my ps3
[06:01] <Moha> I get a dns error sometimes
[06:01] <deww> can you hard code the dns servers in
[06:02] <Moha> Guess you can. But when the dnserror comes. my pc usually gets disconnected al
[06:02] <Moha> I know about the pc - ps3 problem
[06:02] <deww> oh
[06:02] <Moha> But upnp or whatever is disabled
[06:03] <Moha> Besides it happens when the ps3 is off also
[06:03] <Moha> So cant be that
[06:04] <Moha> Saysomething expertman
[06:04] <Moha> !
[06:04] <deww> something
[06:05] <deww> is your router in a nice ventilated area?
[06:05] <Moha> lol. Not excactly
[06:05] <deww> try moving it to that
[06:05] <deww> it might be a heating issue
[06:05] <Moha> Its in the hall leading to two bathrooms
[06:06] <Moha> I live in a "Collective"
[06:06] <deww> yeah but is there stuff stacked on top of it for example?
[06:06] <Moha> Nopes
[06:06] <deww> so it does have ventilation?
[06:06] <Moha> But people often shower. And leave the bathroomdoors open
[06:06] <Moha> Nopes
[06:07] <Moha> Its an AP btw
[06:07] <deww> so do you suppose it is that?
[06:07] <deww> condensation
[06:07] <deww> poor ventilation
[06:07] <Moha> Never thought about it. But might be
[06:07] <Moha> When i reboot the AP
[06:07] <Moha> Sometimes. When i plug it in
[06:07] <Moha> Nothing happens
[06:08] <deww> is it one of those APs that are "hackable" (runs linux?)
[06:08] <Moha> No
[06:08] <deww> oh
[06:08] <Moha> Its linksys
[06:08] <deww> nothing happens as in, it does no even turn on?
[06:08] <Moha> Correct
[06:08] <deww> might want to change location if possible
[06:08] <Moha> So i have to pull the plug and try again
[06:08] <deww> it might be damamaged from the moisture
[06:09] <Moha> However. The powerproblem has been there for as long as i can remember
[06:09] <deww> doesn't mean it didn'tcatch up from the damages
[06:09] <Moha> Just recently the D/C high pingspikes have occured
[06:10] <Moha> true
[06:12] <Moha> First ill try changing channel. Its currently at 3. And i can find another at
[06:12] <deww> these things can fail over time too
[06:12] <deww> :(
[06:12] <deww> i had one of those wired ones that stopped working
[06:12] <Moha> What should i change it to? 1?
[06:12] <deww> anything
[06:12] <Moha> Yeah, i know. Really hate wlan
[06:12] <deww> just try everything you can do think of
[06:13] <deww> does it have a firmware upgrade
[06:13] <deww> try moving locations
[06:13] <deww> try doing a reset and re-doing all the settings
[06:13] <Moha> Its not really my AP
[06:13] <deww> i'm not familiar with "AP" only devices so i'm not sure how much different the
[06:13] <Moha> Im just managing it
[06:14] <Moha> Well. Its basicly a router ;p
[06:14] <Moha> Connected to another router
[06:15] <Moha> I only have access to the "AP"
[06:15] <Moha> WRT54G
[06:16] <deww> you know some of those wrt54g devices are hackable
[06:16] <Moha> The ping seems smooth. Perhaps someone recently installed a wlan closeby
[06:16] <Moha> Ye well.
[06:16] <Moha> The password is still "admin" so...
[06:17] <Moha> Not much to hack ;p
[06:17] <deww> seems that a lot of people say that with a new firmware, the network is very s
[06:17] <Moha> Its been updated not long ago
[06:17] <deww> yeah
[06:17] <deww> might want to investigate if that one can do that
[06:18] <deww> you can even find firmware that doesn't make too many changes so the owner wou
[06:19] <deww> hmm
[06:19] <Moha> The owner is my landlord. He doesn't mind me doing his job. Repairing the wlan
[06:19] <deww> anyone use window's shortcut bar in lieu of ms office 97-2002's toolbar?
[06:19] <deww> oh
[06:20] <deww> btw, if someone moved in, it could be a cordless phone
[06:21] <Moha> I know. He said was getting a wireless ip-phone. But thats like a 3months ago
[06:21] <Moha> I was like
[06:21] <Moha> "ok.. gimme a cable.."
[06:21] <Moha> Have to go thxbyee
[06:23] <lavinya> pişt
[06:23] <lavinya> kimseden ses yok
[06:23] <krisp> english
[06:24] <deww> cool
[06:24] <deww> "freebar", a replacement for office too bar and it is oss
[06:25] * deww slips in more OSS before he lleaves
[06:30] <Katasaki> my router's company isn't the same as my wireless adapter's company, does
[06:32] <Star-Fire> kat: doesn't matter
[06:32] <XPGurl> Hi I've got a jammed DVD Recorder/player and theres no emergancy release tha
[06:33] <Deurklink> i have a question
[06:33] <Katasaki> ty, just wanted to make sure I could plug it in and go
[06:33] <Deurklink> the chanel
[06:34] <Deurklink> #blvportal
[06:34] <Deurklink> nobody had ops
[06:34] <Deurklink> and its created yesterday
[06:34] <Deurklink> how can you request op
[06:40] <XPGurl> Hi I've got a jammed DVD Recorder/player and theres no emergancy release tha
[06:40] <pixil> Is it jammed in the sense that it won't close or it won't open?
[06:44] <XPGurl> yes
[06:45] <XPGurl> i thought it was acting weird but i went ahead and gave the tray a nudge *si
[06:45] <movedx> have you tried bruteforce?
[06:45] <XPGurl> never heard of it
[06:45] <movedx> erm
[06:45] <movedx> brute force? as in, using your fingers and some muscle?
[06:46] <XPGurl> muscle?
[06:46] <movedx> die in a fire.
[06:46] <pixil> Our workstation guy claims that Ghost cannot image a machine and ignore parti
[06:46] <pixil> Is this true?
[06:47] <movedx> I'd imagine so
[06:47] <XPGurl> ghosts arent real
[06:47] <movedx> It generally ghosts the disk's complete image
[06:47] <movedx> By reading the sectors and headers etc
[06:47] <deww> pixil: yes as far asi know.
[06:47] <movedx> not by going into the file-structure and reading that/
[06:47] <XPGurl> movedx maybe if you weren't such a stupid fatass it wouldn't be jammed.
[06:47] <movedx> It basically creates a copy of the partition table etc
[06:48] <movedx> XPGurl: My arse is indeed rather fat
[06:48] <pixil> No. It does a bitstream copy. It doesn't know what it's copying. :-)
[06:48] <pixil> But ghostwalk can step through and weed stuff out.
[06:48] <movedx> well there you go
[06:48] <movedx> you just answered your own question
[06:48] <deww> i never used ghostwalk :D
[06:48] <movedx> nor have I
[06:49] <deww> when we do an installation, we create a system with all the apps we need, non
[06:49] <pixil> He claims that ActiveDirectory would make his process of ghosting much more e
[06:49] <pixil> Current methods require half a day for him to build one machine from a ghost.
[06:49] <movedx> Basically install, setup and configure a systrem they way you want it, snap-
[06:49] <deww> he mightbe thinking of using RIS
[06:49] <pixil> I think he's just slacking. :-/
[06:50] <pixil> half a day?!?!
[06:50] <deww> pixil: build one image as in what? create the image on a pc?
[06:50] <pixil> Just doesn't seem right
[06:50] <pixil> Create a PC from a 'base image'.
[06:50] <deww> on a/ of a pc
[06:50] <pixil> erm, create/build
[06:50] <movedx> pixil: of the OS setup yeah - especilly if the hardware is the same througho
[06:50] <deww> yeah does your base image have the required apps or is there a ton more that n
[06:51] <pixil> Sounds like he has to do a lot of custom setup after the image is laid down.
[06:51] <pixil> I guess I just don't understand why
[06:51] <pixil> heh
[06:51] <movedx> Google has the answer.
[06:51] <deww> base image is fine, but then you guys should have a custom image on top of tha
[06:51] <deww> :D
[06:51] <pixil> What do you mean?
[06:52] <deww> what's the point of having an image without the necessary apps?
[06:52] <pixil> He claims the machines are too different.
[06:52] <deww> oh
[06:52] <deww> hardware wise?
[06:52] <pixil> Plus, he can't update drivers within an image.
[06:52] <pixil> No
[06:52] <deww> he can use sysprep
[06:52] <pixil> We basically have two hardware platforms, here.
[06:52] <pixil> Workstations and laptop.s
[06:52] <deww> ok
[06:52] <pixil> It's not quite that simple, but pretty darn close.
[06:53] <deww> so there should be one for laptop and one for desktop
[06:53] <deww> and also a base image with all teh drivers
[06:53] <deww> it can be done. don't ask me how tho
[06:53] <pixil> Right, but those base images ahve the drivers that came out when the image wa
[06:53] <deww> these jerks here have an image that works on p3-1ghz compaqs to these dell pcs
[06:53] <pixil> He can't update drivers within a built image?
[06:54] <deww> well he'd need to reimage a pc, add the driversr and re-image
[06:54] <deww> that takes time
[06:54] <pixil> holy crap
[06:54] <pixil> That's an incredibly flawed product. :-)
[06:54] <deww> not ghost
[06:54] <deww> that's the nature of the OS
[06:54] <pixil> The imaging suite that comes with ZENworks doesn't work like that.
[06:55] <deww> he can, like he said, probably use AD (RIS) and shoot out the apps as needed
[06:55] <deww> but still tbe base imagen eeds drivers
[06:55] <pixil> He's pissing an moaning because 7 machines can't have IE7 on them.
[06:55] <pixil> heh
[06:56] <deww> here's the answer i think you're looking for
[06:56] <iNToIT> 42
[06:56] <iNToIT> :D
[06:56] <pixil> iNToIT: Go take a long walk off a short cliff. :D
[06:56] <deww> "Ghost can not create the universal image for you. You need to prepare the OS,
[06:57] <deww> reseal == sysprep /seal or something
[06:57] <iNToIT> pix, I have no intention of walking on or off your penis
[06:57] <iNToIT> and why did you name it cliff?
[06:57] <jackal^> lulz
[06:57] <movedx> haha
[06:58] <iNToIT> sob, I thought this was #helpchat. I need to set separate backgrounds for th
[06:58] <pixil> deww: Any idea what sysprep /seal does? :-)
[06:58] <deww> or a channel name bar
[06:58] <iNToIT> deww, the channame bar cuts off because I have too many open, so both chans
[06:59] <deww> pixil: i might have the wrong switch, but you know how when you buy a new pc a
[06:59] <deww> that's what it does
[06:59] <pixil> oh
[06:59] <pixil> that's right
[06:59] <deww> i want to know how they do it here
[06:59] <deww> if i have that knowledge, i can go somewhere else with it ^_^
[06:59] <pixil> hehe
[07:00] <pixil> Well, as soon as our netware boxes are linux, I'm going to solve this problem
[07:00] <love360> help
[07:00] <Gmouth> we use sysprep with all of our images
[07:00] <love360> i cant serf on the internet
[07:00] <pixil> sysprep a ghost utility or winders?
[07:00] <Gmouth> windows
[07:00] <movedx> love360: have you waxed your router?
[07:00] <compdoc> sysprep is great
[07:00] <movedx> and are you wearing the relevant speedos?
[07:00] <love360> i have 2 browsers . opera and internet explorer and noting
[07:00] <love360> waxed you mean?
[07:00] <movedx> i believe i stated waxed, yes
[07:00] <love360> but as you can see i can connect to mirc..
[07:01] <love360> what waxed is:///
[07:01] <movedx> I'm intereted to know how you've connected to a piece of software.
[07:01] <iNToIT> <deww> but still tbe base imagen eeds drivers
[07:01] <iNToIT> uhh
[07:01] <love360> also maybe its becasue i install avg 2008
[07:02] <pixil> I gave up on AVG. Avast! 1, AVG 0.
[07:03] <love360> really?
[07:03] <deww> oh man https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/print?board.id=109&message.id=
[07:03] <movedx> pixil: Avast good?
[07:03] <movedx> pixil: I'm about to try AVG now.
[07:03] <compdoc> avg is great
[07:03] <pixil> Love avast, personally.
[07:03] <Gmouth> I use avg....got rid of the pig norton
[07:03] <pixil> AVG missed a lot of things in my tests.
[07:04] <pixil> And slowed my system down much more than avast did.
[07:04] <movedx> pixil: Is Avast free?
[07:04] <pixil> of course
[07:04] <movedx> nice
[07:04] <iNToIT> pixil, tell your guy to use virtualization on a fast box. create a virtual m
[07:04] <iNToIT> it'll cut the update time down
[07:04] <iNToIT> and he can do multiple customizations at the same time
[07:05] <pixil> We have been asked to hault all virt. efforts until FY2009.
[07:05] <iNToIT> wtfbbq
[07:05] <pixil> I'm probably going to quit if they stick to their guns on that.
[07:05] <iNToIT> Tell them you just need 1 box for support purposes
[07:05] <pixil> It's not about money, actually.
[07:05] <movedx> Virtualization is good for large enviroments.
[07:05] <movedx> And security.
[07:06] <love360> HEELP MEE
[07:06] <pixil> My boss is a micromanager and thinks that if he lets us work on virt. effors,
[07:06] <movedx> love360: what errors are you getting?
[07:06] <pixil> movedx: It's not the environment, it's the service running on the servers tha
[07:06] <love360> it cant appera my homepage
[07:06] <iNToIT> but..but.. that's not network wide virtualization
[07:06] <iNToIT> it's just a single box tool
[07:06] <movedx> pixil: I see.
[07:06] <iNToIT> to speed up a particular time consuming task
[07:07] <pixil> iNToIT: Trust me. I know.
[07:07] <movedx> pixil: If money and or security isn't na issue, then virtualization is just
[07:07] <iNToIT> oi :|
[07:07] <love360> so?
[07:07] <pixil> headache?
[07:07] <love360> isnt a browers problem coz i have 2
[07:07] <movedx> love360: have you tried visiting another website other than your homepage
[07:07] <love360> i tryed
[07:07] <movedx> pixil: virt. can be, if you don't need it.
[07:07] <love360> i made it you know how?
[07:07] <love360> i uninstall avg 2008 !!!
[07:07] <love360> i knew it shity
[07:08] <movedx> and it works now?
[07:08] <love360> yes
[07:08] <iNToIT> love360 can you connect to this? http://64.233.167.99 (it's googles IP)
[07:08] <love360> sHIT
[07:08] <love360> i am connected now coz i remove avg !!!
[07:08] <iNToIT> :|
[07:08] <love360> i am sure there is a setting on this program:/
[07:08] <iNToIT> ok well problem solved, carry on
[07:08] <love360> :/
[07:08] <love360> BUT I DONT have antivirus:P
[07:08] <movedx> Avast has a Linux addition. What's the point? I can't even remember the last
[07:09] <blue_moon> don't get cocky
[07:09] <Gmouth> software vendors will whore out there software to any os
[07:09] <love360> avg free is good?
[07:09] <movedx> Gmouth: so it seems. it free though, so it aint gaining them anything.
[07:09] <iNToIT> love360 it's fine.
[07:09] <Gmouth> they make money off the sites hosting it
[07:10] <love360> can you tell me a good antivirus antispam and spyware program?
[07:10] <Gmouth> avast/avg for virus, spybot search and destroy for spyware
[07:10] <movedx> hosting what?
[07:10] <Gmouth> hosting their software
[07:10] <Gmouth> hit points
[07:11] <Gmouth> just like advertising adawares
[07:11] <movedx> oh right. i suppose
[07:11] <love360> spyware???what program/
[07:11] <movedx> love360: W32.I-LOVE-YOU is a great Spyware program
[07:11] <Gmouth> spyware: spybot search and destroy
[07:11] <love360> spybot search and destroy its a program?
[07:12] <movedx> yes
[07:12] <iNToIT> love360 http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/Results-2008q1.htm
[07:12] <Gmouth> yes
[07:12] <love360> its ok to have avg free and spybot search and destroy ?
[07:12] <iNToIT> that will tell you how well each antivirus has tested recently
[07:12] <iNToIT> love360 yes
[07:12] <iNToIT> go look at those results
[07:13] <love360> Symantec is antivirus and spyware?
[07:13] <Gmouth> fuck symantec
[07:13] <iNToIT> depends on which version you get, but yes
[07:13] <Gmouth> its a resource whore
[07:13] <iNToIT> Gmouth please watch your.. mouth :|
[07:13] <iNToIT> we do try to keep a family friendly channel, even though I forget myself som
[07:13] <movedx> AntiVir scoring slightly higher than Avast.
[07:15] <iNToIT> for future reference, for antivirus comparison results http://av-test.org/ w
[07:15] <Gmouth> iNToIT nice info!
[07:15] <Gmouth> sorry
[07:15] <Gmouth> I hate symantec
[07:15] <iNToIT> no prob
[07:15] <iNToIT> understandable :)
[07:16] <Gmouth> updated our document server with new defs yesterday, asked for a reboot, and
[07:16] <iNToIT> but remember that symantec corporate edition is far better than what they du
[07:16] <Gmouth> they got rid of corp edition, its now called endpoint
[07:16] <iNToIT> nod
[07:16] <iNToIT> it's still corp ed :)
[07:16] <Gmouth> yes it is :P
[07:16] <deww> endpoint? after v10?
[07:17] <iNToIT> yes
[07:17] <iNToIT> endpoint is v11
[07:20] <Gmouth> yep, testing it out here in our enviroment at work
[07:20] <Gmouth> I hope it helps better with spyware
[07:21] <Bandas> hello
[07:21] <Bandas> need to register channels
[07:21] <Bandas> can you help me
[07:22] <froodwrk> I've got an issue with WinXP Pro clients on a domain not running login scr
[07:22] <iNToIT> Bandas, this network (EFnet) that you're currently on, does not have *any* r
[07:22] <RBL> reg: You cannot register nicknames or channels on EFNet. For an explanation why
[07:22] <Bandas> fuck me
[07:22] <iNToIT> are you sexy?
[07:22] <compdoc> lol
[07:23] <iNToIT> and please watch your language, this is a family friendly channel. thanks
[07:23] <iNToIT> ^^
[07:24] <pixil> Oo
[07:24] <Dingalin> family friendly haha
[07:24] <Dingalin> that's a first
[07:24] <Dingalin> hey kids come on for our weekly irc session
[07:24] <iNToIT> froodwrk, use bootvis to determin the order in which services and such start
[07:24] <iNToIT> ding, shh
[07:25] <iNToIT> froodwrk, likely a driver
[07:25] <Dingalin> how many times have you used that line intoit? "Family Friendly channe" ?
[07:25] <iNToIT> ding, last time my silly wittle fwend, shh
[07:25] <iNToIT> :D
[07:25] <froodwrk> bootvis you say..
[07:26] <iNToIT> so says I
[07:26] <iNToIT> google it and read up on all the wonderful things it can help you find out
[07:26] <iNToIT> regarding your startup
[07:28] <iNToIT> <Gmouth> I hope it helps better with spyware
[07:29] <iNToIT> Gmouth, nothing helps better with random spyware infections, than blocking a
[07:29] <iNToIT> just hit a few dozen sites of various types and see where the ads are loadin
[07:29] <Gmouth> I work at a law firm...they don't lock anything down :(
[07:30] <iNToIT> Well you can set up some kind of default config with blocking, then an ad-un
[07:30] <iNToIT> a good way to do it too, is to theme the browser with a different color
[07:31] <iNToIT> so they know the browser with the bright red border is only to be used when
[07:31] <iNToIT> -w
[07:31] <Gmouth> thats a good idea
[07:32] <iNToIT> ^^
[07:32] <iNToIT> it was one of the few user optionable methods that I've found they actually
[07:33] <iNToIT> but had to use the same favorites folder for both browsers
[07:34] <iNToIT> also, another method is to run the browser in a virtualization shell. They d
[07:35] <iNToIT> good to do that with email apps too
[07:35] <iNToIT> but their system has to have decent specs
[07:38] <Gmouth> what shell program did you try?
[07:39] <froodwrk> iNToIT : I think this might have something to do with it - http://support.
[07:39] <froodwrk> My desktops always load before the scripts have finished running.
[07:40] <Dingalin> I wonder how much redudancy would running a virtualized shell for business
[07:41] <pixil> Depends on the APP. Heavily.
[07:42] <Dingalin> what do you mean
[07:42] <iNToIT> froodwrk, quite possible.
[07:42] <iNToIT> I hate cached credentials
[07:43] <froodwrk> caches credentials are great for people who take laptops home.
[07:43] <froodwrk> cached even.
[07:45] <pixil> Dingalin: A ton of "business critical" apps have no business in a VM.
[07:46] <Dingalin> for perfomance issues?
[07:46] <Gmouth> internet explorer would be awesome VM
[07:46] <Dingalin> Well what I meant by business critical was a system that needs to be on al
[07:54] <deww> Dingalin: virtualizataion hopefully means that if the hardwareis at fault, you
[07:54] <deww> hopefully :)
[07:55] <blu1> hi
[07:55] <blu1> anyone up
[07:55] <Dingalin> yeah
[07:55] <Dingalin> see what I was wondering is
[07:55] <Dingalin> actually never mind
[08:01] <tr011> iNToIT are you here?
[08:04] * krisp is now known as krisp`
[08:10] <ryancole> i did a low level format on an external USB hard drive but now i can't pic
[08:11] <deww> the drive manufactuerer might have software for it
[08:13] <iNToIT> spick, what's up? (your new nick isn't much better :| )
[08:13] <compdoc> what did you use to do a low level format (which is never needed for IDE or
[08:13] <tr011> lol whats up not much was just gonna ask you how to make a bat file to open m
[08:14] <tr011> but pixil beat you to it...: start /MAX explorer.exe /select,c:
[08:14] <pixil> I also suggested he use a CLI OS like Linux.
[08:14] <pixil> :-)
[08:14] <iNToIT> ^^ good 'ol pix
[08:14] <pixil> I'm not old yet.
[08:14] <pixil> 2 years until I'm 30.
[08:14] <iNToIT> old in irc years
[08:14] <iNToIT> :|
[08:14] <iNToIT> not mature.
[08:14] <pixil> ah, there is that. :-/
[08:15] <tr011> ok so if my DVD drive on this laptop is E:\
[08:15] <tr011> what would I do
[08:15] <iNToIT> replace c: with e: and don't name the .bat pc
[08:15] <tr011> start /MAX E:\
[08:16] <tr011> no the one pixil gave me highlights the c drive
[08:16] <tr011> i want this one to actually run the dvd drive
[08:16] <pixil> tr011: No. start /MAX explorer.exe /select,e:
[08:16] <tr011> thats just gonna highlight it i think
[08:16] <tr011> let me try
[08:16] <pixil> You can't, because "run" is something different on every disk you put in.
[08:16] <iNToIT> heh, use the command for open/close tray lol
[08:16] <pixil> That's what autorun is for.
[08:16] <pixil> Dork. :p
[08:16] <iNToIT> ^^
[08:16] <tr011> intoit what is that command
[08:17] <iNToIT> ask pix
[08:17] <tr011> yeah im sayingif there is no dvd in the drive
[08:17] <tr011> and i wanna pop open the drive by typing dvd in run
[08:17] <iNToIT> you really are too lazy to google aintcha lil bro
[08:17] <iNToIT> :|
[08:17] <iNToIT> learn to use teh tools mon
[08:17] <tr011> i thought you two were the pros
[08:17] <iNToIT> because we use teh tools
[08:18] <iNToIT> and get good
[08:18] <iNToIT> and learn over time
[08:18] <iNToIT> now your turn
[08:18] <iNToIT> TAG, you're it
[08:19] <Tsai> what is a good place to get free legal advice?!
[08:20] <iNToIT> Tsai legal Aid society in your town, or your local bar association
[08:20] <compdoc> advice in what area?
[08:20] <froodwrk> Anyone know how I can run a command before a user logs on in WinXP pro? I
[08:20] <Tsai> compdoc just a question on creating a living trust also know as a living will
[08:21] <compdoc> google that
[08:21] <Tsai> using a program that is helping me create it but its for my mom, she is a wind
[08:21] <Tsai> if she was married and her husband died is she still married to him still by l
[08:22] <iNToIT> froodwrk, *before* a user logs on? or before a user can access the desktop d
[08:22] <iNToIT> froodwrk, I would say, set an at/timer to just sync the time once an hour or
[08:22] <iNToIT> and at bootup
[08:23] <froodwrk> iNToIT : Before a user logs on. Time keeps getting messed up on the machin
[08:24] <froodwrk> And then I have to run down and fix it for them so they can install more s
[08:24] <helpme> my windows xp system automatically deletes files WITHOUT sending them to the
[08:24] <froodwrk> helpme - http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/kel
[08:25] <compdoc> right click on the trashcan and get properties
[08:25] <iNToIT> froodwrk, ok so yeah, just sync time every 10 minutes instead
[08:26] <froodwrk> iNToIT : I'd rather not have to do that. Isn't there a way to do it during
[08:26] <iNToIT> frood yes
[08:27] <iNToIT> frood set up the time sync as a service
[08:28] <iNToIT> frood are you synching it with an AD domain?
[08:30] <iNToIT> frood put it this way, how does the system know to sync the time before the
[08:31] <iNToIT> so what I'm guessing you want to do is sync the time as an early part of the
[08:31] <iNToIT> which HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlog
[08:31] <iNToIT> "System"="your batch file"
[08:31] <iNToIT> might do
[08:32] <froodwrk> Will that allow me to launch commands before a user logs on?
[08:33] <froodwrk> Specifically, tell the windows time service to resync with the DC
[08:33] <iNToIT> what you can use is an app to delay the log-on allowing the time sync to occ
[08:34] <iNToIT> froodwrk like this http://www.r2.com.au/software.php?page=2&show=startdelay
[08:34] <iNToIT> startup delayer
[08:35] <froodwrk> ooh neat.
[08:38] <iNToIT> froodwrk so you get the idea? use a time sync script during logon, use a sta
[08:38] <dcm> im trying to install this PCI ethernet card on a computer from like 7 years ago
[08:38] <dcm> i tried to check bios settings but the only thing i could do was turn on "maste
[08:39] <dcm> what do you think i should do?
[08:39] <pixil> BIOS recognizes it?
[08:40] <deww> pc might be too old
[08:42] <froodwrk> iNToIT : umm. No.
[08:42] <froodwrk> iNToIT : I can't use the time synch DURING logon since if the time is out
[08:43] <dcm> pixil well not that i know of
[08:43] <froodwrk> iNToIT : I need something that'll run with system privileges BEFORE the us
[08:43] <dcm> it gives no indication of whether each pci slot is in use or not, and one is
[08:43] <deww> froodwrk: active directory?
[08:43] <froodwrk> deww : Yep.
[08:43] <deww> froodwrk: your pcs should be synching with the AD servers anyway.
[08:44] <froodwrk> deww : I don't think any of them have the windows time service properly co
[08:44] <dcm> will this PCI "master mode" do anythign?
[08:44] <dcm> ahah i dont even know what that means.
[08:46] <deww> froodwrk: if the pc has joined the domain, it is autmatically using your AD se
[08:46] <deww> that's all i remember
[08:46] <deww> not s ure if you can start a service before logon
[08:46] <deww> if it is a service, i'm guessing the MSKB guide will help
[08:46] <deww> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307897
[08:47] <deww> enable the windows time service as automatic
[08:48] <froodwrk> deww : yes.. I was reading that one.
[08:48] <Dingalin> deww, did you say you made 6 or 7 figures for helping people on irc?
[08:48] <froodwrk> deww : Now, to make that change on 700 PCs with deepfreeze on them.
[08:49] <deww> Dingalin: i figured i could make that much ^_^
[08:49] <deww> froodwrk: oh
[08:49] <iNToIT> froodwrk, ... are your users using DHCP?
[08:49] <froodwrk> I think I'll wait till summertime and just reclone all of them.
[08:49] <deww> i'm guessing group policies won't work?
[08:49] <froodwrk> iNToIT : YES!
[08:49] <iNToIT> froodwrk, simple solution then..
[08:49] <tr011> intoit: what language are these batch files in?
[08:49] <iNToIT> use dhcp to puch time sync
[08:49] <iNToIT> *push
[08:50] <froodwrk> iNToIT : How?
[08:50] <iNToIT> since they have to get the ip before logon anyway
[08:50] <deww> make your windows server be a dhcp server :D
[08:50] <Dingalin> what's providing DHCP to these 700 clients
[08:51] <froodwrk> The DHCP server isn't a windows box. It's not even housed by us. It's hous
[08:52] <froodwrk> hrmm. I need to formulate my sentances better.
[08:52] <Dingalin> yeah you will need a diff approach
[08:52] <Sculptor> you can say that again
[08:52] <Sculptor> hi!
[08:52] <froodwrk> I am needink better formula for to make sentances
[08:52] <dcm> LOL
[08:53] <Dingalin> personally any time we need to create changes be it transfer files communi
[08:53] <iNToIT> froodwrk, actually, they may be doing it already
[08:53] <dcm> does anyone here know what "master mode" is when talking about PCI slots?
[08:53] <iNToIT> dcm it means bus mastering
[08:53] <tr011> does anyone know what languAGE .bat files use?
[08:53] <iNToIT> you can google the term and wikipedia will explain it
[08:54] <froodwrk> dcm : http://www.latticesemi.com/products/intellectualproperty/ipcores/32b
[08:54] <iNToIT> tr011 it's batch language
[08:54] <tr011> o
[08:54] <froodwrk> tr011 : MS dos batch scripting?
[08:54] <tr011> is there a batch command to pop open a dvd drive?
[08:54] <froodwrk> Dingalin : What does Afaria do?
[08:55] * Jumpie is now known as Jumpafk
[08:55] <Dingalin> frood: well it's a scripting environment, clients communicate to a server
[08:55] <iNToIT> tr011, no, BUT you can simply drop a littel application (.exe) into the C:\b
[08:55] <Dingalin> now what Afaria does is provide a gui for auotmating any task you can thin
[08:55] <Dingalin> it's like SMS
[08:56] <Dingalin> it uses SMS actually
[08:56] <Dingalin> works for us because 2300 clients aren't part of a domain
[08:56] <froodwrk> tr011 : http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Alex-Nolan-Eject-C
[08:56] <tr011> intoit: is there an exe that only opens the cd drive/
[08:57] <tr011> how did you find that froodwrk?
[08:57] <iNToIT> he googled :|
[08:57] <froodwrk> tr011 : I have a huge library full of web addresses, I zip along my wheely
[08:57] <tr011> but what did he ask it?
[08:58] <Besniaa> hello
[08:58] <froodwrk> tr0ll : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=active&client=firefox-a&rl
[08:58] <RBL> <froodwrk> http://tinyurl.com/yt86on
[08:58] <Besniaa> need a help with virus i dont know 1 file are virus and need a help
[08:58] <tr011> very clever froodwrk
[08:58] <Besniaa> on 1 link
[08:59] <froodwrk> OOoohh! It's lunchtime.
[08:59] <iNToIT> Besniaa go to #dmsetup BE PATIENT. Tell them the problem and WAIT for help
[08:59] <Besniaa> okey
[09:00] <Dingalin> deww: how long do I have to idle in here to get @ ?
[09:02] <iNToIT> dingy babe, bubballah, sweety pie. Don't bring the game on in here please
[09:02] <iNToIT> (and if you need to bug deww, do it in #helpchat, not in here)
[09:03] <Dingalin> damn intoit, you have an answer to everyones problem. You should be a damn
[09:06] <Sculptor> iNToIT, are you deww's lawyer
[09:08] <tr011> iNToIT: remember how I told you I saw all that roxio cd burn crap in my envir
[09:08] <tr011> well I'm looking in add or remove programs and there's no roxio cd burning so
[09:09] <Sonu> hi guys, needing some recommendation on printer, wanting a color printer, prin
[09:09] <jackal^> how to change joomla server headers' responds?
[09:12] <Sculptor> i finally crossed 100wpm barrier
[09:12] <Treval> LOL
[09:12] <Treval> Congratulations.
[09:12] <Treval> A bit more faster and you can reach my level. :O
[09:12] <Sculptor> are you sure?
[09:12] <Treval> Er, -more.
[09:12] <Treval> Yeah.
[09:13] <Sculptor> what's your limit
[09:13] <Treval> 100 WPM = CPM?
[09:13] <Treval> How many CPM is that.
[09:13] <Sculptor> 500
[09:13] <Treval> Woah. :D
[09:13] <Treval> My limit is at the moment 384.
[09:13] <Treval> CPM. ^^
[09:13] <Sculptor> great
[09:13] <tr011> what software are you guys using to type with
[09:13] <tr011> to determin this
[09:13] <Treval> You must' ve been typing like a crazy man. :D
[09:13] <Sculptor> stamina
[09:13] <Treval> Well I used a good online script thingy.
[09:14] <Sculptor> Treval, but, i can do 100wpm only for 30 seconds
[09:15] <Treval> Ooooh.
[09:15] <Treval> Hm...
[09:15] <Treval> Got a link?
[09:15] <Sculptor> link?
[09:15] <Sculptor> a missing link?
[09:15] <Treval> A link to the script/application.
[09:15] <Treval> :P
[09:15] <Sculptor> stamina typing tutor?
[09:15] <Treval> .. that you used to evaluate your speed.
[09:15] <Treval> Stamina.
[09:15] <Sculptor> www.typingsoft.com
[09:16] <Treval> <3
[09:18] <iNToIT> tr011, you can just remove it or leave it. it's not a bug deal
[09:19] <iNToIT> *big
[09:19] <Treval> I am laughing my ass off!
[09:19] <Zarxrax> My C: drive contains an old installation of vista that I was unable to remo
[09:19] <Zarxrax> ntldr is missing, but it says "Cant load os"
[09:19] <Treval> When you make errors the program farts/burps. :'P
[09:20] <Sonu> Zarxrax, try reinstall
[09:20] <Sonu> i mean, repair option
[09:21] * Doa_ is now known as Doa
[09:22] <Zarxrax> do i tell windows to just do the setup?
[09:22] <Zarxrax> instead of recovery console?
[09:22] <iNToIT> Zarxrax have you tried to use FIXBOOT from the recovery console?
[09:22] <Treval> K did the test am at 347 CPM. :P
[09:22] <Zarxrax> yes, i have
[09:22] <Treval> for 1:43 minutes ^^
[09:22] <iNToIT> with both C and D?
[09:22] <Zarxrax> no, only with one of them
[09:22] <iNToIT> try the other?
[09:22] <Zarxrax> it wont harm a raid will it?
[09:23] <iNToIT> software or hardware raid?
[09:23] <Zarxrax> hardware
[09:23] <iNToIT> shouldn't
[09:23] <Sonu> Zarxrax, insert the isntallation cd, u'll see a recovery option
[09:23] <Sonu> Zarxrax, let it boot from cd
[09:24] <bit_logic> hey
[09:24] <Zarxrax> ok ill try both of those things
[09:24] <Sonu> g'luck with it
[09:24] <Zarxrax> alright thanks
[09:24] <Sonu> if u have issues and are uncertain or worried that things might get lost
[09:24] <Treval> 458 cpm for 0:44 :o
[09:24] <Sonu> if u can boot into other OS (the OS that works properly.. that u dont need rep
[09:25] <Zarxrax> heh, neither of them work
[09:25] <Sonu> so what OS are u using then?
[09:25] <Zarxrax> kubuntu live cd
[09:25] <Sonu> try check boot.ini
[09:26] <Sculptor> windows fails, sometimes
[09:26] <Zarxrax> yea, i've been messing with the boot.ini file, and no matter what i do it d
[09:26] <Sculptor> with linux, you can sleep sound
[09:26] <Zarxrax> i mean i put in multiple options, but it wont give me a menu to choose
[09:26] <Sculptor> because you know that it will not surprise you
[09:27] <Sonu> make sure u rename the "program files" and "documents and settings" user "Admi
[09:27] <Sonu> but if u rename the directory, the files will be there, u can click in after u
[09:28] <Sonu> did u check bootrecords?
[09:28] <bit_logic> is using IPv6 just a software change? i mean is it something i can implem
[09:28] <Sonu> and set it as primary partition n such?
[09:29] <Zarxrax> bootrecords?
[09:29] <Sonu> yes, do u have any menu when u boot up ur pc?
[09:29] <Zarxrax> no, no menu
[09:30] <Sonu> like.. choose OS?
[09:30] <Sonu> u using lilo?
[09:30] <heatseekr> what would you prefer, ati radeon 2400xt 256mb, or nvidia 8500gt 512 mb?
[09:30] <Zarxrax> no, im not sure what lilo is
[09:31] <Sonu> thats linux (the old days), not sure about nowadays either if its still lilo,
[09:31] <Life^> there are a bunch of boot loaders now :|
[09:31] <Life^> what are you trying to do again?
[09:31] <Zarxrax> trying to get windows boot.ini to work
[09:32] <Life^> well how is it not working?
[09:32] <Sonu> Life^, he has vista/xp .. both of them isnt booting, now he's using kubuntu li
[09:32] <Zarxrax> well im just gunna go and try some of the suggestions i got, and then ill c
[09:33] <Life^> well umm hold on a tick
[09:33] <Life^> did you install vista after xp?
[09:33] <Life^> or before?
[09:34] <Zarxrax> vista was before, and i wanted to switch back to xp
[09:34] <Zarxrax> i installed xp on a seperate drive, and wasnt able to remove vista
[09:34] <Zarxrax> since i dont have permission to delete any of its files
[09:34] <Life^> Ohh, okay well this makes sense then
[09:35] <Life^> Here's how the boot process works.........Your computers bios looks at it's s
[09:35] <zytex> just installed mirc for first time and now i am stuck. recieved the following
[09:35] <Life^> then it goes "Okay here's the ahrd drive I'm supposed to boot from." and then
[09:36] <Life^> so then the "boot loader" on those hard drives will take over and tell it how
[09:36] <Life^> So what happened is when you installed xp you replaced the boot loader and th
[09:36] <tr011> what is the IP address for www.google.com ?
[09:36] <Sonu> right, as life mentioned, check ur bios for the bootdrive
[09:36] <Sonu> tr011, try /dns www.google.com
[09:36] <Zarxrax> well it was all working right for a while
[09:37] <tr011> Sonu: where do I type that? in command prompt? in IRC? or in IE?
[09:37] <Zarxrax> anyways while trying to fix it, i went in my bio and changed the boot drive
[09:37] <Sonu> tr011, the /dns ... thats in irc... for command prompt u type ... nslookup www
[09:37] <Life^> right, well so what's happened is there probably isn't a boot loader on that
[09:38] <Zarxrax> well, i copied ntldr and ntdetect.com and boot.ini onto that drive
[09:38] <Sonu> i aint failiar with primary paritition.. but does that have anything to do wit
[09:38] <Zarxrax> no matter what i do in the boot.ini, it doesnt seem like it matters
[09:38] <Zarxrax> so i dont know if it might still be using the one from the vista drive
[09:39] <Life^> right it won't
[09:39] <tr011> Sonu: ty
[09:39] <Zarxrax> the thing is, if i run bootcfg, it says my install is on the other drive fr
[09:39] <Life^> you can't just copy it like that
[09:39] <Life^> it doesn't work that way
[09:39] <Life^> Zarxrax, I would check out this site/tool
[09:39] <Life^> http://www.vistabootpro.org/
[09:40] <Zarxrax> i cant use that... since i cant boot into windows to run an exe
[09:42] <SiiN> who is very familiar with ps3
[09:45] <m0ha2k> SiiN: What are you wondering about?
[09:45] <Pammy> Hi, need help. I can't connect my digital camera. The PC doesn't find it!
[09:46] <tr011> is "sndvol32" a .exe file?
[09:47] <Sonu> dunno, its a sound volume control, 32 bits application for windows (as far as
[09:47] <Sonu> looks like a windows file
[09:48] <Sonu> Pammy, install the cd that came with camera, so windows recognize your camera
[09:48] <Pammy> it is installed
[09:49] <tr011> ya it is
[09:49] <tr011> Sonu you use linux?
[09:49] <tr011> or mac?
[09:49] <Sonu> Pammy, check my computer... my digital camera (or something like that) .. hope
[09:49] <Sonu> tr011, win2003 server at the moment
[09:50] <tr011> nice
[09:50] <Pammy> Sonu: Camera is connected and switched on. No new icons in My Computer
[09:50] <hirogen2> whats difference between mcp and msce
[09:50] <hirogen2> practioner and engineer
[09:50] <Sonu> Pammy, are u logged in as Administrator?
[09:50] <hirogen2> but in terms of studying?
[09:52] <Life^> ugh
[09:52] <Sonu> Pammy, when u install the program, does windows recognize your camera?
[09:54] <Pammy> Sonu: yes
[09:54] <Sonu> Pammy, thats good, if it recognized
[09:54] <Pammy> Sonu: no, windows does not recognize my camera
[09:55] <Sonu> Pammy, are u logged in as an Administrator?
[09:55] <Sonu> Pammy, if yes, go to control panel, add new hardware
[09:56] <Sonu> Pammy, turn off ur camera, turn it on, then go there
[09:56] <Pammy> There are no "Add new hardware" icon in control panel
[09:56] <Sonu> Pammy, scan for new hardware, let windows detect, choose have driver when it a
[09:56] <Sonu> what windows are u using?
[09:57] <Pammy> Windows XP
[09:57] <Sonu> there's Add Hardware
[09:57] <Pammy> Professional
[09:57] <Sonu> i havent use xp for a while now, but that should be the icon
[09:59] <XB23> guys i run an IT support company need some help, anyone know of any software t
[09:59] <XB23> oh yeh thats free to :p
[09:59] <XB23> lol
[09:59] <Life^> free? lol
[09:59] <XB23> i know lol
[10:00] <Life^> are they windows xp?
[10:00] <XB23> yeh all windows
[10:00] <movedx> Remote Assistance.
[10:00] <Life^> yeah
[10:00] <Life^> remote assistance
[10:00] <XB23> oooh yeh i didnt think of that
[10:00] <movedx> It can even be activated via MSN.
[10:00] <XB23> what about those behind firewalls/routers though
[10:00] <Life^> it'll work most of the time
[10:00] <movedx> Aye,.
[10:00] <movedx> Only the firewall would stop it really.
[10:00] <movedx> A router shouldn't be a problem
[10:00] <Life^> I mean if you're asking if nats a problem, then no, not usually
[10:00] <XB23> ah so a router shouldnt stop it
[10:01] <Life^> a spi firewall could stop it if it had some strict rules, but meh.
[10:01] <XB23> awesome
[10:01] <Life^> YOu should know if that's a problem before hand if you're their IT guy lol
[10:01] <XB23> nah some clients use firewalls im not allowed to touch
[10:01] <movedx> It shouldn't do no, asthe connection will be made outwards to you, so any co
[10:01] <XB23> ahh i see
[10:01] <XB23> cool :)
[10:02] <XB23> is there a start - run command to start remote assistance
[10:02] <XB23> only some of my users dont even know how to use the start menu lol
[10:03] <Dingalin> mstsc
[10:03] <Dingalin> that's the cmd xb
[10:03] <movedx> Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> Remote Assistance.
[10:04] <XB23> awesoem
[10:04] <XB23> u guys rock, thankyou :)
[10:08] <Pammy> Sonu: Add Hardware did not find anything. Camera was switched on
[10:08] <Sonu> Pammy, try installing software first, make sure ur camera is switched on when
[10:09] <Sonu> hopefully it'll find the camera/proper drivers
[10:09] <Toyota> Anyone know why explorer.exe holds files/directories open so you can't delet
[10:09] <Toyota> ...even after you've finished what you're doing with them
[10:09] <Pammy> Sonu: I tried in that order, but it did not find anything! :(
[10:10] <Sonu> Pammy, well, its not that u're out of luck.. did windows find something like..
[10:10] <Sonu> or new hardwre found.. and it dunno what it is?
[10:12] <Pammy> no
[10:12] <Sonu> Pammy, thats pretti weird, windows atleast should find something, even if it d
[10:13] <Pammy> nop! :(
[10:14] <Sonu> Pammy, check under control panel
[10:14] <Sonu> Pammy, do u see 'Portable Media Device' ?
[10:14] <Sonu> also, it has 'Scanners and Cameras'
[10:15] <Pammy> Scanners and Cameras icon yes
[10:16] <Sonu> okay, click that icon, u'll see 'Add an imaging Device' on the top left
[10:16] <Pammy> Add imaging device. My camera is not listed there (only 3 HP cameras are!), a
[10:17] <Sonu> thats gonna be hard then
[10:17] <Sonu> atleast, u know ur camera model, google for it and download its driver
[10:17] <Sonu> when it asks for drivers, usually its a .inf file
[10:17] <Pammy> no, the driver i downloaded was just a big .exe file
[10:18] <Sonu> or if u have a complete driver, just run setup.exe and most probably everythin
[10:18] <Sonu> doesnt really matter, a big .exe file might be a complete package or a .zipped
[10:19] <Sonu> there are .zip files that are in .exe extensions, that u dont have to do unzip
[10:21] <yogi> stop yo yakin
[10:22] <Sonu> Pammy, its really weird that windows doesnt find something like 'unknown devic
[10:23] <dmo> i set up a daemon in freebsd and its listening on port 3906 but it only accept
[10:23] <Sonu> but it doesnt recognize at all.. is ur cable connected properly? u sure that t
[10:26] <Gmouth> what make of the camera is it
[10:27] <Sonu> Pammy, its best, get the cdrom and it'll prolly solve all problems, plus u mig
[10:28] <m0ha2k> Hm. Could there be any problems if i download from US-store (PSN) and instal
[10:29] <Sonu> Pammy, anyway, its late here, i need some rest, g'nite and g'luck with ur came
[10:30] <kRiPt0n> need op in qry m8
[10:31] <pixil> Pammy: Did you install the driver first?
[10:36] <chronic1> There appears to be a bot on this network sending virus/porn on joins to t
[10:37] <pixil> chronic1: /stats p wendy24
[10:37] <pixil> Speak to one of them about it.
[10:37] <pixil> #Help has nothing to do with the EFnet network, except that it sits on the EF
[10:37] <pixil> chronic1: Did you happen to get the rar file?
[10:38] <chronic1> nah -- just ignored it
[10:38] <pixil> *nod*
[10:38] <pixil> Gone at the moment.
[10:38] <pixil> ping timeout? Right after joining a channel? That's curious
[10:38] <chronic1> sorry about that pixil...wasn't sure if any ircops would idle in here....t
[10:39] <pixil> Not a fake IP, just a hijacked machine.
[10:39] <pixil> There are some opers that hang out in here, that's true.
[10:39] <pixil> But a simple thing to do is use the /stats p command.
[10:39] <chronic1> ...recorded by my ignore script.....that is a good possibility
[10:40] <chronic1> what is the stats command?
[10:40] <pixil> /stats p will show the opers on your server and their idle time.
[10:40] <pixil> /stats p <server> will show for <server>
[10:40] <chronic1> ah hah
[10:40] <pixil> /stats p <nick> will show for server that <nick> is connected to.
[10:42] <chronic1> with that out of the way....actually have a question to ask: anyone here k
[10:43] <pixil> chronic1: http://www.slproweb.com/products/Win32OpenSSL.html
[10:44] <chronic1> assume the light is runtime, and the full (rec. for developers) has all th
[10:46] <pixil> yeah
[10:58] <Joops> What's an appropriate amount to tip bag handlers at airports/hotels? I am mov
[10:59] <mitch> Joops: you can use my way, i walk up threw the line and hold out a 20$ and go
[10:59] <Joops> ha
[10:59] <[Anth]> Yeah Iv'e seen that work a bunch of times
[11:00] <[Anth]> Like a silent handoff
[11:00] <[Anth]> "yeah sir, I'll take care of you..."
[11:00] <Joops> i dont want to skip in line, i just want to know the standard amount when peo
[11:00] <[Anth]> Boom you're in.
[11:00] <[Anth]> Eh... $5-10
[11:00] <[Anth]> depends on the number of bags
[11:00] <Joops> 3 suitcases
[11:00] <mitch> i'd tip like 3$ a bag
[11:00] <Joops> oh wow
[11:00] <[Anth]> 2-3 $5.... anything more, up to $10
[11:01] <[Anth]> $3 a bag... that's a bit much for 10seconds of work
[11:01] <Joops> maybe i should be a baggage handler
[11:01] <[Anth]> Yeah!
[11:01] <[Anth]> wtf
[11:01] <[Anth]> $5 in 10 seconds?!
[11:01] <[Anth]> ANd there's a line of 20 people
[11:01] <[Anth]> at 7am
[11:01] <[Anth]> I'll do it!
[11:02] <pixil> $3 a bag?
[11:02] <[Anth]> I've seen lines going all the way to the next airline claim outside at 5am
[11:02] <[Anth]> Dude must be cleaning up seriously
[11:02] <Joops> Usually I tell them 'no thanks, I'm fine" and move my own bags, but I think w
[11:03] <[Anth]> Don't you have a luggage set with the piggy-back straps, that let you connec
[11:04] <[Anth]> Those BASTARDS cut mine off or something happened, but it was gone when I go
[11:05] <Joops> two suitcases have the telescoping handle, the third doesn't; it had a rope/c
[11:08] <kingpimp> whats the name of that plastic flat baseboard you put up around walls
[11:08] <mitch> trim?
[11:09] <kingpimp> is there a proper name for it?
[11:09] <Joops> trim
[11:09] <pixil> Always referred to it as trim
[11:09] <Joops> same
[11:12] <baitmasta> hi all
[11:13] <baitmasta> is this the place where I can get a registration key?
[11:13] <baitmasta> or invite?
[11:14] <pixil> Uhm, no.
[11:14] <baitmasta> where can I get one?
[11:15] <pixil> I have no freaking clue.
[11:15] <baitmasta> I read on torrentfreak this is the place
[11:15] <pixil> #Help is the place to steal software?
[11:15] <pixil> I don't think so.
[11:15] <baitmasta> crap i'm on the worng server
[11:15] <baitmasta> sry
[11:16] <pixil> No. You're likely just in the wrong channel. :P
[11:16] <v0ltage> babaaabboooeeey
[11:17] <v0ltage> I went to belter's house and he tried to anally rape me :(
[11:17] <pixil> I highly doubt that.
[11:17] <pixil> Are you actually going to make me kick and ban you?
[11:17] <v0ltage> i dunno
[11:17] <pixil> Or are you going to be a good little cubby and /part on your own?
[11:17] <v0ltage> cubby? :(
[11:17] <v0ltage> that makes me a sadddd panda
[11:18] <pixil> Well. Start acting differently then. Just call them as I see them.
[11:18] <v0ltage> what does /part do
[11:18] <v0ltage> a legitimate help desk question right
[11:18] <pixil> It leaves the current channel.
[11:18] <pixil> Try it.
[11:19] <Zarxrax> it seems that my pc keeps trying to boot from the wrong drive
[11:19] <Zarxrax> i set the proper drive in my bios, but it keeps looking on my other one for
[11:24] <undrgrndr> i am rying to find the name of a song, whats a good channel for that ?
[11:24] <[Anth]> google
[11:25] <undrgrndr> tried forever
[11:26] <timthomas> what is a good program i can use to record a conversation on this laptop
[11:26] <reznark> ok, I have a toshiba laptop, windows xp pro, freezes for no reason apparent
[11:28] <deww> timthomas: audacity is a freeware sound editor you can use for recording
[11:30] <Aidso> I have an IDE internal hard drive that says 200GB on it. I bought an external
[11:31] <KhaOZ> Anyone know what to eat to gain a ton of weight that would be easiest to work
[11:32] <Aidso> u can get specific weight-gain products from your vitamins shop
[11:32] <deww> drink lots of water
[11:32] <Aidso> Lots of protein helps
[11:33] <deww> Aidso: is your version and installation of windows up to date?
[11:33] <pixil> deww's right. water and grapefruit
[11:33] <Aidso> its Vista
[11:33] <mitch> KhaOZ: up your salt and water intake
[11:33] <Aidso> pixil: i can image that would have your kidneys in agony
[11:33] <deww> Aidso: ok. it COULD be the usb device
[11:34] <deww> Aidso: does it show it wrong in disk management?
[11:34] <pixil> Aidso: Oh. Vitamin supplements won't? water and grapefruit are naturally oc
[11:34] <Aidso> where do i go to get Disk Management up?
[11:35] <eastbayar> anyone know where to get some 500gb hdd's cheap?
[11:35] <pixil> eastbayar: newegg.com or outpost.com
[11:35] <pixil> The former being the better bet.
[11:35] <deww> Aidso: start, run, diskmgmt.msc is one way
[11:36] <Aidso> i found it thru Vista's search thing on the start bar...one thing Vista is go
[11:36] <User_> I can't wait for Windows 7. >.<
[11:36] <marcas99> hi, anyone know a good channel i can go to to chat bout PC system builds?
[11:36] <pixil> User_: I thought it was 6.4 :-)
[11:37] <pixil> marcas99: #computers
[11:37] <pixil> #helpchat
[11:37] <marcas99> ta
[11:37] <Aidso> Deww: Under the management its partioned, which would be about right. How do
[11:37] <deww> do you have data on it?
[11:38] <Aidso> nah, its fresh
[11:38] <deww> do you have data on the drive?
[11:38] <deww> ok
[11:38] <Aidso> says the extra space is unallocated
[11:38] <deww> makes ure you have the right d rive, delete all the partitions and re-create i
[11:38] <deww> there you go
[11:38] <deww> there's your 200 jiggabites
[11:38] <Aidso> right-click and format?
[11:42] <deww> Aidso: it should do that as well after you create the partition
[11:45] <Aidso> deww: Cheers, i got it working
[11:46] <Aidso> are there any tools that i use to sync my C: drive with this new external dri
[11:47] <shangula> Hey, I'm running wireless lap top with XP... the net works fine, youtube,
[11:52] <iroiro> how do you pronounce 'i.e'? 'ai ee' or 'id est'?
[11:53] <movedx> you don't.
[11:53] <movedx> It's just I & E.
[11:53] <movedx> "For example"
[11:53] <Lindy_> in english ?
[11:54] <iroiro> i thought you used latin words o.o ts a surprise
[11:58] <Ox40> Im looking for a linux distro that supports hosting and the like natively...
[11:58] <phisher1> hosting and the like ?
[11:58] <Ox40> like, web-based control panel... etc etc
[11:58] <phisher1> any linux distro supports 'hosting'
[11:58] <Ox40> hey phisher1
[11:58] <pixil> Anything other than ubuntu
[11:58] <Ox40> i know you!
[11:58] <pixil> ^.^
[11:58] <phisher1> hi
[11:58] <Ox40> No, i mean... natively...
[11:58] <Ox40> you know what i mean?
[11:58] <pixil> Nope.
[11:58] <phisher1> you mean built in
[11:59] <phisher1> no configuring needed?
[11:59] <Ox40> well...
[11:59] <Ox40> minimal configuration
[11:59] <Ox40> like, PHP, MySQL etc etc
[11:59] <phisher1> php has very little to configure
[11:59] <phisher1> mysql also
[11:59] <phisher1> for basic hosting
[11:59] <Ox40> well yeah
[12:00] * Jumpafk is now known as Jumpie
[12:03] <deww> ubuntu is like the easiest!
[12:03] <deww> then again maybe fedora is
[12:04] <pixil> ubuntu is great for desktops and for people that want to use linux but don't
[12:05] <pixil> Not that I think that is a great thing, but it's working out well. :-)
[12:07] <deww> and if you want. you can turn it into debian which is like the hardest distro
[12:08] <pixil> Except that apt is the easiest to use package system.
[12:08] <pixil> :D
[12:08] <pixil> So, in other words, Ox40, it's about as clear as mud.
[12:08] <pixil> A definite, maybe.
[12:08] <[Anth]> lol
[12:08] <deww> apt's great
[12:08] <pixil> apt is great
[12:09] <deww> no point in trying to do it the slackware way sometimes
[12:09] <Life^> the hardest?
[12:09] <Life^> I was gonna say
[12:09] <Ox40> pixil: I was trying to find an easy-ish clear and consise solution to hosting.
[12:09] <Life^> slack is def the hardest
[12:09] <Life^> cause you can just apt-get whatever and it's all happy :)
[12:10] <deww> Ox40: honestly, have someone else set it up for you
[12:10] <deww> and just give them demands!
[12:10] <pixil> Talk about easy!
[12:10] <Ox40> deww: that was the plan
[12:10] <Ox40> im not the hosting guy
[12:10] <Ox40> i am the... i dont know what i am
[12:11] <Ox40> but i was looking for a way to get thing rolling quick
[12:11] <User_> I was wondering if there was a VNC Viewer for Mac OSX? I made a VM'ed XP for
[12:11] <Ox40> because installing things like php has been taking our people 'some time'
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[12:19] <chains> where mah debian peeps at?
[12:19] <chains> holla
[12:19] <[Anth]> At WORK
[12:19] <[Anth]> Working, like you should be doing
[12:19] <chains> what do you mean? i'm getting paid to /j #help
[12:19] <chains> and preach my blessings
[12:20] <eastbayar> anyone using a 8800GT with crysis and XP?
[12:21] <chains> god damn this useless channel
[12:21] <chains> we need more linux peeps in here!
[12:21] <[Anth]> lol
[12:21] <[Anth]> Nagh
[12:21] <chains> Yagh
[12:21] <[Anth]> This is general help... not #nerds'ntoys
[12:21] * chains joins #nerds'ntoys
[12:21] <[Anth]> THose nix distros = toys... hardly functional for a desktop
[12:22] <[Anth]> Nix = server OS, regardless.
[12:22] <[Anth]> GUI ports are toys
[12:22] <[Anth]> TOys for the smart and curios
[12:22] <[Anth]> curious
[12:22] * [Anth] rips nix from chains
[12:22] <[Anth]> :-D
[12:23] <TheUni> eh?
[12:23] <TheUni> i use linux everyday for desktop
[12:23] <[Anth]> Cause you're smart and curious
[12:23] <lava> is it possible to group headers in newsleecher?
[12:23] <TheUni> mm... i'd say nerdy and girl-less.
[12:23] <[Anth]> You mean in the left hand plane of NL?
[12:24] <[Anth]> the= DEF! lol
[12:25] <lava> i mean like group headers with over like 70% of the header that matches or som
[12:26] <[Anth]> yah I know what you're talking about, but I'm not quite sure... headers are
[12:26] <[Anth]> Check the NL forums
[12:26] <[Anth]> I haven't used it in a bit
[12:27] <[Anth]> Not since 2.x I think
[12:27] <[Anth]> lol
[12:27] <pixil> Is there a technical benefit to using an HD antenna versus just a standard UH
[12:27] <[Anth]> HD?
[12:27] <[Anth]> HiDef?
[12:27] <pixil> For the purpose of grabbing HD channels out of the air.
[12:27] <Lighto> hi
[12:27] <Lighto> Is it possible to make a server?
[12:27] <pixil> Lighto: Yes.
[12:27] <andy`> yes
[12:27] <pixil> [Anth]: Yes.
[12:27] <andy`> but you need a lot of money
[12:28] <Lighto> pixil: how?
[12:28] <andy`> you build a server like you build a pc, except with "more advanced hardware"
[12:28] <pixil> Lighto: efnet.org there's an app.
[12:28] <[Anth]> I've never heard of HD antennas giving anymore boost than a standard UHF boo
[12:28] <Lighto> pixil: It's not free?
[12:28] <andy`> eww, that kind of server?
[12:29] <shangula> Hey, I'm running wireless lap top with XP... the net works fine, youtube,
[12:29] <[Anth]> Any stable PC can be a server.
[12:29] <Lighto> Just a normal server.
[12:29] <[Anth]> "server"
[12:29] <pixil> Lighto: you don't pay to connect to EFnet
[12:29] <[Anth]> Just use a regular old PC
[12:29] <Lighto> I don't mean a channel
[12:29] <andy`> for mIRC, maybe
[12:29] <andy`> but you can't generalize
[12:29] <Lighto> I mean like... irc.lightningkid.org or whatever.
[12:29] <andy`> * IRC
[12:30] <pixil> Lighto: $4 / year for the domain. You'll want someone of a hefty internet co
[12:30] <pixil> etc.
[12:30] <Lighto> pixil: What about if I don't use a domain, but something else?
[12:30] <pixil> [Anth]: I have heard a lot of things. I'm looking for quantifiable evidence.
[12:30] <andy`> he could've meant blackberry server q:
[12:30] <pixil> Lighto: Most everything is possible. :p
[12:30] <andy`> or citrix server
[12:30] <Lighto> >.<
[12:30] <Lighto> thanks
[12:31] <andy`> or exchange server q:
[12:31] <shaft0> anyone recommend a good guide on setting up web access on windows server?
[12:31] <Lighto> so, I could make a server, and connect it to efnet?
[12:32] <Lighto> >.<
[12:33] <pixil> Lighto: Again, yes.
[12:33] <Lighto> for free, pixil?
[12:34] <Photon^> anyone here riding motorcycles that have any tips on what kind of protectiv
[12:34] <Lighto> >.>
[12:34] <Lighto> Pants?
[12:34] <mitch> Photon^: join #motorcycles
[12:34] <pixil> Lighto: EFnet does not charge you money.
[12:34] <mitch> Photon^: leather is best
[12:34] <pixil> Lighto: EFnet has requirements that will cost you a lot of money.
[12:34] <mitch> hit newenough.com and find a set that fits your price range
[12:34] <Photon^> best yea, I need a compromise between price and protection
[12:35] <Photon^> leather usually boosts the price to like $300
[12:35] <pixil> What is wrong with Carhart?
[12:35] <Lighto> pixil: any easy way to go around setting up a server?
[12:35] <mitch> pixil: jeans don't hold up to concreate
[12:35] <pixil> Lighto: What?
[12:35] <pixil> mitch: There's a fabric that does moreso than carhart's?
[12:35] <Lighto> is there any easy way, to set up a server, and get it up.
[12:36] <pixil> Lighto: Go away.
[12:36] <mitch> pixil: textile
[12:36] <Lighto> >.>
[12:36] <mitch> it's made from kevlar
[12:36] <Lighto> fine
[12:36] <Lighto> bye
[12:36] <mitch> and other synthics
[12:36] <Lighto> Thanks for your time.
[12:36] <Lighto> cya
[12:36] <mitch> leather holds up very well
[12:36] <pixil> mitch: You know nothing about carhart, do you?
[12:37] <pixil> Check them out.
[12:37] <mitch> I wear carhart all the time
[12:37] <pixil> Oo
[12:37] <mitch> it doesn't hold up
[12:37] <pixil> A lot of carhartt's products have kevlar in them
[12:37] <pixil> They have different levels of products, man.
[12:37] <pixil> sheesh
[12:37] <mineurs> hello again
[12:38] <chains> ok
[12:38] <chains> linux folks
[12:38] <pixil> linucks!
[12:38] <chains> i got an error while trying to "make menuconfig"
[12:38] <pixil> Oh dear, chains is compiling his own kernel.
[12:38] * pixil leaves
[12:38] <Photon^> kevlar, where you talking to me?
[12:39] <mineurs> any Television repair people in here?
[12:39] <pixil> mineurs: Just ask.
[12:39] <chains> scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:312: error: 'KEY_RESIZE' undeclared (fi
[12:39] <Photon^> were*
[12:39] <chains> make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1
[12:39] <mineurs> i have a older big screen projection
[12:39] <chains> pixil: fix it
[12:39] <andy`> pixil : where would I find the latest version of comctl32.ocx?
[12:39] <mineurs> the Blue and Green are fine, but the Red is messed up
[12:40] <mineurs> its almost like the red one is like rotated and not aligned with the blue/g
[12:40] <mineurs> about a year and a half ago it had the same kinda problem, and I had the co
[12:40] <pixil> chains: That is the only line with an error?
[12:41] <mineurs> i'm just wondering if there is a bulb or something not aligned, this could
[12:41] <deww> chains: make sure ncurses has been installed
[12:42] <mineurs> any help would be greatly appreciated
[12:42] <deww> mineurs: i doubt there are tv repair folks around
[12:42] <mineurs> lol thats what i thought
[12:43] <mineurs> man these people are gonna charge an arm and a leg to come out just to look
[12:43] <pixil> You want ncurse and ncurse-dev
[12:43] <mineurs> i honestly can't believe that the convergence chip could go bad in a year a
[12:43] <chains> deww, ncurses-base is already the newest version.
[12:44] <chains> pixil: there are other errors
[12:44] <mitch> looks like you have the wrong version of something
[12:44] <mitch> running debian?
[12:44] <chains> yah
[12:44] <chains> Linux poppy-dbn 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:03:12 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Lin
[12:44] <mitch> and the thing you're compiling you d/l'd from a non-debian source?
[12:45] <chains> mitch: i downloaded it from kernel.org
[12:45] <chains> it's a kernel
[12:45] <mitch> view the readme
[12:45] <mitch> for the kernel
[12:45] <mitch> bet you don't have a new enough version of ncurses
[12:45] <chains> so how do i force upgrade?
[12:46] <chains> i already did that i thought
[12:46] <chains> and if that doesn't work then what
[12:48] <Dracs> hi
[12:48] <mitch> just mv your older .config from the running kernel
[12:48] <mitch> and do a make oldconfig
[12:50] <Dracs> is there a laptop repair tech here
[12:50] <deww> oh man. i found out how to find the ip address of a printer that's been setup
[12:50] <falter> can a faulty inverter affect the performance of the backlight on a notebook
[12:50] <deww> yes
[12:51] <deww> like for example not light up
[12:51] <Dracs> i have a problem with backlight of laptop..the motherboard is switching the b
[12:52] <deww> at waht point?
[12:52] <deww> Dracs: at what point does it switch off?
[12:52] <Dracs> right at the start, and it keeps off
[12:53] <Dracs> i thought maybe the close lid switch is defect (that detects if screen is clo
[12:54] <yfk> which measurement is noted with a '?
[12:54] <deww> feet
[12:54] <Dracs> what do you mean
[12:54] <deww> Dracs: hrm. is there a hot key to swap between the different output modes?
[12:54] <deww> can you even get to bios for example?
[12:55] <Dracs> external screen is working ..i tried to switch with keys
[12:55] <Dracs> yes i can get in bios
[12:55] <timthomas> Is the heater fan and blower motor the same thing?
[12:55] <deww> is there anything in there that sets what the default monitor is?
[12:56] <deww> Dracs: that's my only guess
[12:56] <Dracs> no nothing in bios
[12:56] <Dracs> ok
[12:56] <Dracs> hrm
[12:56] <Dracs> thanks
[12:56] <BIJJ> is there anyone that can help me with a Kip 3000 plotter printer
[12:57] <Dracs> i check again
[13:42] <Xodus989> Does anyone know what happens with a negative balance in paypal?
[13:42] <estranger> they send the "men" after you
[13:42] <Xodus989> A customer pulled a chargeback, and now I'm -519.94 USD
[13:43] <Xodus989> From the email it sounds like that with a negative balance I just can't us
[13:43] <_v2> good question, i used to know this... i think it stays negative for a certain a
[13:43] <_v2> there's a certain timewindow to raise that back to 0$
[13:43] <john-l> where can I buy a simple non-electronic shipping scale
[13:43] <Xodus989> Ah
[13:43] <john-l> in a walk-in store
[13:43] <estranger> john-l: lol, a drug scale?
[13:43] <_v2> there is more than likely a ridiculous interest rate on it too
[13:43] <Xodus989> I'll email the support and ask
[13:43] <_v2> similar to credit cards
[13:44] <_v2> so i wouldn't sit on that too long at all
[13:44] <Xodus989> Well we have the paypal credit card
[13:44] <Xodus989> and it's a tiny interest rate
[13:44] <_v2> even when you owe?
[13:44] <Xodus989> so I can get it payed of all at once and pay on it
[13:44] <Xodus989> yeah
[13:44] <_v2> oh cool, yeah nevermind then
[13:44] <Xodus989> We got a real good rate since we've been with paypal for like 8 or 9 years
[13:45] <_v2> yeah, sorry best to give them a shout about that, you'd probably be quicker cal
[13:45] <Xodus989> yeah
[13:45] <Xodus989> Gotta get a real job though now :/
[13:45] <Xodus989> At minimum wage working part time I can pay it off within 2 months
[13:46] <Xodus989> But either way I know paypal will work with me
[13:46] <Xodus989> since they want their money
[13:50] <Armegeden> what is a method to test to see if there are collisions occuring on a net
[13:50] <Armegeden> ethereal or something?
[13:50] <Armegeden> none of the switches are managed
[13:50] <phisher1> you shouldn't have collisions on a switched network
[13:51] <Life^> you can with hubs, but not a switch
[13:51] <Armegeden> even if there were a redundant loop?
[13:51] <Armegeden> or does stp automatically shut down the redundant port?
[13:51] <phisher1> any decent switch would detect the loop and disable the ports
[13:51] <phisher1> yes that is part of stp
[13:51] <phisher1> iirc =\
[13:52] <Armegeden> they're new linksys gigabit switches, so yea, hopefully they would
[14:11] <Joops> Can I take mini travel sized toothpaste and Scope on my plane carryon bag or
[14:13] <mitch> Joops: i would bet that's a no
[14:14] <estranger> <6oz? fit in a quart sized ziplock?
[14:14] <Joops> its 1oz
[14:14] <_daedalus> weed or coke?
[14:14] <estranger> weed
[14:14] <_daedalus> no
[14:15] <_daedalus> try a backpack
[14:15] <estranger> Joops: put it in a quart ziplock.. yer allowed one ziplock filled with li
[14:15] <Joops> koo thx
[14:16] <_daedalus> i'm having trouble setting up a ssh tunnel to use for web browsing
[14:16] <estranger> uh
[14:19] * Ox40Zzz is now known as Ox40Work
[14:25] <bizinichi> _daedalus did you set up the ssh tunnel with dynamic port forwarding?
[14:25] <bizinichi> _daedalus and are you sure the shell you're using allows ssh tunnels
[14:25] <_daedalus> checking...
[14:26] <bizinichi> did you set up your browser to use the ssh tunnel with localhost:whatever
[14:30] <handjob> speaker question
[14:31] <handjob> I just reformatted my hard drive and I lost the cd that came with the speak
[14:31] <handjob> so the fucking things don
[14:31] <K_Dallas> Hi guys! What do I need to download (VMWARE stuff) to use Ubuntu under XP?
[14:31] <handjob> ''t work
[14:31] <handjob> Where can I find software that will allow me to use the speakers
[14:31] <handjob> they are altec lansing brand
[14:31] <handjob> any1?
[14:32] <bizinichi> have you looked on their website?
[14:32] <_daedalus> ok. so how about routing all of my internet traffic, i mean ALL, through
[14:32] <_daedalus> bizinichi: got it working
[14:33] <bizinichi> _daedalus, for that you want VPN
[14:33] <handjob> yeah one sec
[14:33] <_daedalus> nice handle
[14:33] <_daedalus> :/
[14:33] <bizinichi> _daedalus, your ssh tunnel will not catch everything, you'll have to tell
[14:33] <bizinichi> _daedalus for this reason you want VPN which will do the above
[14:38] * Phiber0pt is now known as HeyZeus
[14:43] <_daedalus> bizinichi: yeah, but i'd have to pay for that
[14:43] <bizinichi> yup, theres usually that tradeoff
[14:43] <bizinichi> but to capture all, VPN will do it
[14:43] <bizinichi> ssh, you're restricted to applications you can specifically tell to use t
[14:43] <_daedalus> asssuming i trust the provider
[14:43] <_daedalus> ...
[14:43] <bizinichi> yes theres also that issue
[14:44] <bizinichi> but theres reviews and such on VPN providers
[14:44] <bizinichi> i used relakks for 2 months
[14:44] <_daedalus> not that it matters. i use sbc, so there is realy no point.
[14:44] <_daedalus> it's already shady
[14:45] <zchaos> anyone here use xilisoft dvd ripper?
[14:45] <_daedalus> do you own the dvd?
[14:45] <zchaos> yes
[14:45] <zchaos> i have the actually hard copy of the dvd
[14:45] <zchaos> i want rip it onto my pc into 700 mb files
[14:46] <_daedalus> doom9.org
[14:46] <zchaos> ?
[14:46] <_daedalus> http://www.doom9.org
[14:46] <zchaos> what is that ... another program?
[14:47] <_daedalus> it's a forum
[14:47] <_daedalus> with guides/how-to's
[14:47] <_daedalus> i couldn't tell you how, i dont know
[14:47] <_daedalus> or http://www.google.com
[14:48] <_daedalus> that would be a big help
[14:48] <Sculptor> zchaos, autogordianknot
[14:48] <Sculptor> www.afterdawn.com
[14:48] <zchaos> ?
[14:48] <_daedalus> yeah ^^^
[14:48] <bizinichi> afterdawn is really good too
[14:49] <zchaos> what are those
[14:49] <_daedalus> you suck at the internet
[14:49] <zchaos> i'm asking if anyone uses this software
[14:49] <_daedalus> see above
[14:49] <zchaos> christ
[14:49] <_daedalus> see above!
[14:49] <_daedalus> dont use it
[14:49] <_daedalus> did you pay for it
[14:49] <_daedalus> ?
[14:49] <_daedalus> i hope not
[14:49] <_daedalus> use opensource
[14:50] <_daedalus> http://www.freshmeat.org
[14:50] <_daedalus> or, better yet, write your own
[14:50] <zchaos> fucking douche... shutu p
[14:50] <_daedalus> gtfo
[14:50] <_daedalus> dont come here with a attitude, man
[14:51] <zchaos> what the fuck is gtfo... i dont speak nerd
[14:51] <Sculptor> slow down deadanus
[14:51] <_daedalus> i don't speak southpark
[14:51] <Joops> Anyone have any idea who i would call to ask if my motorcycle helmet is OK to
[14:52] <_daedalus> i try to help and you call me childish names. help youself. i'm done.
[14:52] <mitch> Joops: it's ok
[14:52] <mitch> i've done it
[14:52] <Joops> You sure?
[14:52] <mitch> yes
[14:52] <zchaos> lol you were not even helping me.. just being a smart ass
[14:52] <Joops> I'm moving from hawaii to vegas tomorrow, and I'm picking my motorcycle up in
[14:52] <mitch> but why bring it in your carry on?
[14:52] <Joops> mitch how else would i bring it
[14:52] <mitch> luggage
[14:53] <Joops> No room in my suit cases
[14:53] <Joops> After i land in vegas i immediately fly out to san diego. i need it in my car
[14:54] <bizinichi> ask the airline just to be extra sure i guess
[14:54] <mitch> shoulda shipped it with your bike
[14:54] <mitch> or fedexd it
[14:55] <Joops> they wouldnt let me attach it to the motorcycle during shipping.
[14:55] <mitch> did you crate it or just put it on a truck?
[14:55] <Joops> im in hawaii
[14:55] <Joops> its going to mainland
[14:55] <Joops> no truck lmao
[14:55] <Joops> it went by boat!!!
[14:55] <bizinichi> it couldve flown!
[14:55] <ggg`> hi guyz
[14:56] <Joops> hi
[14:56] <ggg`> im using mirc on linux
[14:56] <ggg`> im cool, huh?
[14:56] <Joops> kool
[14:56] <Joops> im on windows xp, im cool too huh
[14:56] <ggg`> no
[14:56] <mitch> i'm useing xchat on windows
[14:56] <Joops> your a homo then
[14:56] <ggg`> running mirc on linux is cool, not on XP
[14:56] <bizinichi> haha
[14:57] <ggg`> i can play cs:s on linux too
[14:57] <ggg`> real fast also
[14:57] <ggg`> its faster than windows
[14:57] <Sculptor> windows fails, sometimes
[14:57] <Joops> your a gamer homo :(
[14:57] <ggg`> idk why anybody would use linux
[14:57] <ggg`> i mean windows
[14:58] <Sculptor> with linux, you never get surprised
[14:58] <Sculptor> because it doesn't work from start
[14:58] <ggg`> it works quite well for me
[14:58] <Sculptor> to each their own
[14:58] <ggg`> i use vmware and run windows within linux, and linux acts as a NAT firewall fo
[14:58] <Sculptor> it should be other way around
[14:58] <ggg`> i also use crossover to run windows apps from right within linux
[14:59] <ggg`> why is that?
[14:59] <Sculptor> windows is better vmware host
[14:59] <microJunk> hello
[14:59] <ggg`> lol hi
[14:59] * ggg` is now known as LUNIX
[14:59] * LUNIX is now known as Lunix
[14:59] <Sculptor> linix is old C64 os
[14:59] <Sculptor> lunix*
[15:00] <Lunix> linux was actually created as a network operating system, that's why download
[15:00] <Lunix> i can download at 1.5 MB/s on linux
[15:00] <IRCop> how do i stream from tv to comp
[15:00] <Lunix> and only like 900 KB/s on windows
[15:00] <Lunix> linux has a strong network stack and it never crashes on me
[15:00] <Life^> lol
[15:01] <_daedalus> zchaor: done means done. move on
[15:01] <Lunix> i can also run photoshop and team fortress 2 really well using crossover
[15:01] <_daedalus> zchaos: done means done. move on
[15:01] <Life^> remind me again how you would troubleshoot if the network stack crashes on an
[15:01] <Lunix> or i can use vmware to run windows within linux
[15:01] <Lunix> linux does not crash
[15:01] <Life^> I just find it humerous that you're trying to compare 'network stacks' and ye
[15:01] <Life^> oh linux can crash lol
[15:01] <Lunix> the kernel does not crash
[15:01] <Jinx_Dojo> I take it GuildFTPd is somewhat outdated... can anyone recommend a freewa
[15:02] <Life^> sure it can
[15:02] <Lunix> even if X crashes, you can easily restart it
[15:02] <kobach> ITS A TRAP
[15:02] <Life^> it's called a Kernel Panic
[15:02] <Lunix> all your processes keep running
[15:02] <Lunix> rarely happens Life
[15:02] <Lunix> i have had one or two problems with X, but the kernel never crashes
[15:02] <Lunix> i have a debian machine with 510 odd days of uptime
[15:02] <Lunix> not one crash
[15:02] <Sculptor> what's up with linux zealots and uptimes
[15:03] <Lunix> well when you're using an OS for a server
[15:03] <Lunix> more than 3 days of uptime is nice
[15:03] <Lunix> not to mention the only time i would have to reboot is a kernel upgrade
[15:03] <Life^> lol
[15:03] <Lunix> windows makes you reboot for everything
[15:03] <Life^> I have windows machines with that kind of uptime?
[15:03] <Intrepid`> if wfp doesn't find the file in the dll cache, where does it replace it f
[15:03] <Life^> Heck I have a windows 2000 machine that I don't think I've restarted in 3 yea
[15:04] * HeyZeus is now known as Phiber0pt
[15:04] <Lunix> i find that hard to believe
[15:04] <Lunix> that the machine has not crashed
[15:04] <^[ANth]^> Uptime jockies
[15:04] <^[ANth]^> I love it
[15:04] <Lunix> uptime is important for a server, so is the ability to not reboot for every u
[15:04] <^[ANth]^> true
[15:04] <^[ANth]^> Throw windows right out
[15:05] <Life^> So you never update your kernel?
[15:05] <Lunix> not to mention windows makes for a horrible server
[15:05] <Life^> :P
[15:05] <Lunix> i do, just not often
[15:05] <Sculptor> what the frell are you talking about
[15:05] <Sculptor> Lunix, stop poisoning us, please
[15:05] <Lunix> lol
[15:05] <Life^> Lunix: Name one *nix alternative with the same features/reliability/usabilit
[15:05] <Lunix> outlook interface
[15:05] <Lunix> lol
[15:05] <Lunix> im not sure, i dont know anything about exchange, sorry
[15:06] <Lunix> so i couldnt speak about an alternative
[15:06] <Lunix> i will say this, the only time i would use windows for a server is for a coup
[15:06] <Lunix> that run better on windows
[15:06] <Life^> so you're qualified to comment on windows as a viable solution, having absolu
[15:06] * Osc_HE is now known as Osc
[15:06] <Lunix> running a web server on windows is suicide
[15:06] <Life^> Yeah I think you're done ;)
[15:06] <Sculptor> life, please do not feed him
[15:06] <Life^> you can love linux all you want, I'm not sayin git's crap
[15:07] <Life^> most of my webservers are actually bsd based, but still, you people that like
[15:07] <Life^> don't impress me :
[15:07] <Sculptor> to each their own
[15:07] <Lunix> lol
[15:07] <Sculptor> some people are happy living in poverty, some with linux
[15:07] <Lunix> it's impossible to setup anything even close to a chroot jail on a windows se
[15:07] <Life^> you use the right tool for the right job, and if that's linux or if that's wi
[15:07] <Life^> but until you realilize that, your just a noob in my mind :P
[15:08] <Lunix> i am new to linux, have been using it for 6 months
[15:08] <Lunix> i just cant understand why more people dont use it
[15:08] <jackal^> why you didnt use it 6 months ago :P
[15:08] <Sculptor> yeah, why? it's free, it's 'better'
[15:08] <Life^> application compatibility, application usabilty, transportability, interface
[15:08] <Lunix> i still use windows, just in a virtual machine
[15:08] <Lunix> only for photoshop and video editing
[15:09] <Lunix> and testing things in windows
[15:09] <Sculptor> every linux user have a win on spare partition
[15:09] <TheUni> Sculptor: not me.
[15:09] <Lunix> no, many do not
[15:09] <kobach> not true
[15:09] <TheUni> no sense hashing out win vs. linux, guys. it's been done.
[15:09] <K_Dallas> it all depends who is using linux and for what purpose
[15:09] <Lunix> i need windows for video editing and photoshop, that's about it
[15:09] <Sculptor> has
[15:09] <kobach> purpose is the decieding factor
[15:10] <K_Dallas> Lunix, google is trying to work with codeweaver to make photoshop work be
[15:10] <Lunix> yes, i know
[15:10] <K_Dallas> :)
[15:10] <Lunix> it works for me, but i still prefer running it under windows
[15:10] <Lunix> and for video editing, i need windows
[15:10] <Lunix> sony vegas
[15:10] <Life^> without direct adobe support, you'll never get the stability out of photoshop
[15:11] <Lunix> i agree Life
[15:11] <Life^> if you're gonna go with linux just use like one of the linux photo editing to
[15:11] <Lunix> no, vmware works really well for me
[15:11] <Life^> ouch, huge performance hit there
[15:11] <Lunix> no
[15:11] <Lunix> hardly any performance hit
[15:11] <kobach> i really dont have to use windows for anything, except for a game every 2 mo
[15:11] <kobach> i just like the look of it
[15:12] <Lunix> Life: i dont know who told you about a vm performance hit
[15:12] <Lunix> except to 3d obviously
[15:12] <Lunix> gaming takes a hit in VM
[15:12] <Life^> and what magic virtualization tool are you using that has virtually no perfor
[15:12] <Lunix> nothing else though
[15:13] <Lunix> well i have 4gb ram and a quad-core processor
[15:13] <Lunix> so it's not noticable
[15:13] <Sculptor> i've tried several linux distros. haven't find a single use for them, and
[15:13] <Lunix> i can render video just as quickly
[15:13] <Sculptor> found
[15:13] <Lunix> i can run photoshop super fast
[15:13] <Lunix> all in vmware
[15:13] <Lunix> i love it
[15:13] <Lunix> i rarely use vmware though
[15:13] <Life^> which vmware?
[15:13] <Lunix> Sculptor: i was the same
[15:13] <Lunix> workstation
[15:13] <Life^> lolz
[15:13] <Lunix> the latest vmware workstation
[15:14] <Sculptor> what've happened
[15:14] <Lunix> Sculptor: i would start by running windows within a VM
[15:14] <Lunix> i think after 2 weeks you will find yourself rarely using it
[15:14] <Lunix> and then, never
[15:14] <Lunix> maybe for photoshop
[15:15] <Lunix> but that runs fine through crossover or wine
[15:15] <Sculptor> hardly. does lin come with visual studio
[15:15] <Lunix> no
[15:15] <Lunix> you would want vmware for that, to test how windows apps run in windows
[15:15] <Lunix> i agree
[15:15] <Sculptor> thanks, but, no thanks
[15:16] <Lunix> all the desktops at google run linux i was reading, and they run vmware with
[15:16] <Lunix> they run a modified version of ubuntu
[15:16] <Sculptor> i'm not planning to be hired by google
[15:17] <K_Dallas> Lunix, i am trying to find out what is the best (fastest and yet easiest)
[15:17] <Sculptor> if that happens, whey'll switch to win
[15:17] <Sculptor> vmware server is freeware
[15:18] <Lunix> sculptor, do as you like, i had the same mindset you had
[15:18] <Lunix> i had used red hat 9 many years ago
[15:18] <Lunix> and it just didnt work
[15:18] <Sculptor> lol @ 'mindset'
[15:18] <Lunix> but linux has come a long way
[15:18] <Sculptor> i'm happy for linux
[15:18] <Sculptor> pehraps it will soon gain desktop usability
[15:18] <Lunix> http://la.gg/upl/blake-desktop.png
[15:19] <Lunix> http://la.gg/upl/blake-applications.png
[15:21] <Lunix> anybody want a screenshot of a bunch of windows applications running on my li
[15:22] <Lunix> right now i have mirc, internet explorer, utorrent, and counter-strike runnin
[15:22] <K_Dallas> Lunix, could you run any of those IM applications which support audio+vide
[15:22] <Lunix> yes, but i use pidgin because i don't use those
[15:22] <Lunix> i use stickam
[15:23] <K_Dallas> ok
[15:23] <Lunix> i have been able to install the windows version of aim, yahoo messenger, etc.
[15:23] <Lunix> without any problems
[15:23] <Lunix> and they ran really well
[15:23] <Life^> I find it so funny
[15:23] <Life^> "I'm cool I can run windows apps in linux!"
[15:23] <Life^> well guess what :P I can run my windows apps ... *IN WINDOWS*
[15:23] <K_Dallas> :)
[15:23] <Life^> hooray!
[15:23] <Life^> lol
[15:23] <Lunix> that's not the point...
[15:24] <Life^> :P I know, I'm just giving you crap
[15:24] <Lunix> Life: i'm not trying to be cool, i'm trying to enlighten people
[15:24] <Lunix> to just give it a try
[15:24] <Life^> because every few weeks we get someone in here who just loves to be the linux
[15:24] <intx> what distro are you using?
[15:24] <Lunix> im using xubuntu on this laptop
[15:24] <Lunix> and im just starting out with gentoo on my home desktop
[15:24] <IRCop> anyone got a bank account where they can see there bank statement staight awa
[15:25] <Lunix> most people do...
[15:25] <IRCop> anyone got a bank account where they can see there bank statement staight awa
[15:25] <Lunix> it's called online banking
[15:25] <IRCop> you got one Lunix?
[15:25] <Lunix> yes, why?
[15:25] <IRCop> just askin
[15:25] <Lunix> dude is gonna try and run some mirc script on me and get into my online banki
[15:25] <Lunix> lol wtf?
[15:25] <Lunix> "just askin"
[15:26] <IRCop> lol
[15:26] <Lunix> good luck, this again just goes to prove my point
[15:26] <Lunix> i would never do online banking on anything but linux
[15:26] <IRCop> can you view yoru statement like right now
[15:26] <Lunix> it's great for peace of mind, and especially on a laptop
[15:26] <Lunix> yes
[15:27] <IRCop> can i sent you some money and tell me if its there
[15:27] <IRCop> i wanna know how long it takes
[15:27] <IRCop> if thats cool
[15:27] <Lunix> how would you send me money?
[15:27] <Lunix> no
[15:27] <IRCop> online banking
[15:27] <IRCop> i can do it
[15:27] <Lunix> no
[15:27] <Lunix> you're not gonna send me anything
[15:27] <K_Dallas> IRCop, find a close frined of yourself and arrange with him/her
[15:27] <IRCop> ok
[15:27] <IRCop> why?
[15:27] <Lunix> IRCop: did mommy and daddy just get you your first bank account for your allo
[15:28] <IRCop> yeah Lunix
[15:28] <IRCop> it takes like 4 seconds
[15:28] <IRCop> all i need is your account and sort number
[15:29] <Lunix> hang on
[15:29] <Lunix> let me find them
[15:29] <Osc> you understand that that information can be used to create a draft as well as a
[15:29] <Lunix> Osc: it's ok, i trust him
[15:29] <Lunix> we're all family on IRC
[15:29] <IRCop> what?
[15:29] <Lunix> plus he's an IRCop, so he must be legit
[15:29] <Osc> yeah. right
[15:29] <Osc> Lunix: /whois IRCop IRCop
[15:30] <Osc> and then, do thee same with me
[15:30] <IRCop> ill send like 4 pence
[15:30] <IRCop> what will i do with your account number and sort code without a password
[15:31] <Osc> withdraw
[15:31] <IRCop> and what use will a draft do
[15:31] <Osc> it's called a draft
[15:31] <IRCop> withdraw from where?
[15:31] <Osc> Lunix"s account
[15:31] <IRCop> i need 2 password to access online banking
[15:31] <IRCop> wtf man dont you believe me
[15:32] <Osc> ever seen someone run a check thru a little machine, and then hand the check ba
[15:32] <IRCop> i dont understand
[15:33] <IRCop> i gave someone my sort and account number to send me money and it took like 3
[15:33] <Osc> do what K_Dallas suggested
[15:34] <IRCop> im a loner
[15:34] <Osc> then use your mum or dad
[15:34] <IRCop> no
[15:35] <Osc> in any event, testing+bank/money = not here
[15:35] <Dingalin> hey guys
[15:35] <IRCop> 5 pence
[15:36] <IRCop> ill lose 5 pence
[15:36] <Dingalin> anyone know of any e-cafes that don't have physical workstations instead t
[15:37] <Osc> Dingalin: thatt would be a "thin client" and I doubt you could use vmware in th
[15:38] <Lunix> wtf is he talking about pence
[15:38] <Lunix> where do they still use pence?
[15:38] <Osc> the UK maybe?
[15:38] <Lunix> euro?
[15:38] <Lunix> eh, yeah
[15:38] <Osc> hell if I know.
[15:39] <Lunix> Linux is the answer to everything.
[15:40] <Osc> too bad it's not real unix
[15:41] <Osc> so, if the questions is 'what populat OS can I use thatt is real unix?' then an
[15:41] <Osc> =p
[15:41] <Osc> er, popular, even
[15:42] <Intrepid`> what's a good synonym for draining?
[15:42] <Intrepid`> ...besides exhausting
[15:42] <Osc> emptying
[15:43] <bizinichi> depleting
[15:43] <Lunix> OS X is not real unix
[15:43] <Lunix> OS X is freebsd
[15:43] <Osc> see http://tinyurl.com/2snbo3
[15:45] <Osc> you don't *really* think I'd toss out bait like that and be a troll, do you?
[15:45] <brad24> hey guys, anyone ever register a domain with netwisp.com? What do you think?
[15:45] <intx> i think it probably won't go too wrong as long as you don't need a lot of spec
[15:45] <Osc> brad24: google 'netwisp (good OR bad)' and thhen do the same for godaddy
[15:45] <Pammy> Hi, need help. I can't connect my digital camera. The PC doesn't find it!
[15:46] <intx> just remember to to check for transfer fees
[15:46] <duffs`> hey all, how would i cut the size of an mpeg video, i want to put movies fro
[15:46] <Osc> Pammy: turn the camera on
[15:46] <Pammy> it is on
[15:46] <Osc> duffs`: try videohelp.com
[15:46] <Lunix> i use sony vegas duffs
[15:46] <duffs`> sony vegas?
[15:46] <duffs`> ok
[15:47] <Osc> Pammy: most cameras auto connect to the computer. if it won't, it may need yo t
[15:47] <Lunix> i have a youtube template
[15:47] <Lunix> that always saves in optimum format for youtube
[15:47] <Lunix> duffs`: would you like to see one of my youtube videos? the quality is really
[15:47] <duffs`> sure man
[15:47] <duffs`> thats what im looking for buddy
[15:48] <duffs`> youtube template? how do i get it
[15:50] <Metshrine> Does anyone here have battlefield 2?
[15:51] <duffs`> yes
[15:51] <Metshrine> How do you access single player mode?
[15:51] <Metshrine> I only get the account login page
[15:51] <Metshrine> no way to play single player
[15:59] * Osc changes topic to ''General Help. JUST ASK! NO Illegal/Bots/Scripts/Politics/Medical/H
[16:12] <Lunix> Metshrine: do you have the cracked copy? you can play it online
[16:12] <Lunix> i play my cracked online
[16:12] <Lunix> Metshrine: you have to login for single player, but it's only a local profile
[16:12] <Lunix> it's called an offline account
[16:16] <Lunix> mafia
[16:16] <liteon6x> hey
[16:19] <w0t> what's the name of the tool to convert rpm to deb? ninja or something like that
[16:20] <b-relaxed> im having a problem with my atheros wireless card on vectorlinux(n00bs sl
[16:20] <w0t> alien it was.. ninja?! o_O
[16:20] <justifier> w0t, alien
[16:21] <justifier> b-relaxed, have you tried ra0 wl0
[16:21] * bizinichi is now known as bizinichx
[16:21] * bizinichx is now known as bizinichi
[16:21] <b-relaxed> no, ill look up ra0 and wl0 thanks
[16:26] <FO2> how can you tell if a user in your yahoo msger is in invisible mode?
[16:27] <b-relaxed> can't you know that if you ping his IP ?
[16:30] <justifier> FO2, theres not "official way" the idea of invisible is that people cant
[16:30] <justifier> b-relaxed, did it work?
[16:31] <b-relaxed> no sir, im googling for ra0 and wl0 , i have no idea what they are hehe
[16:31] <justifier> b-relaxed, rather than at0 being the wireless interface wl0 and ra0 are
[16:32] <Dupper> Better to build my own PC or buy a Dell?
[16:32] <justifier> are you sure the drivers are avalible for your chipset?
[16:32] <b-relaxed> yes im sure ! because madwifi is supported for slackware
[16:33] <b-relaxed> and the distro website say it should support Atheros chips
[16:33] <justifier> well check which interface its trying
[16:33] <b-relaxed> ok
[16:33] <justifier> there is lots of atheros chips
[16:34] <b-relaxed> this is realy frustrating ,because backtrack detects my wireless card aut
[16:35] <justifier> differnt distros install different support as default
[16:35] <justifier> why you using vector?
[16:36] <b-relaxed> its realy faster than kubuntu
[16:38] <Dupper> what is kubuntu?
[16:38] <justifier> try there chan
[16:38] <Dupper> I mean, I know what ubuntu is
[16:38] <justifier> kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE window manager
[16:38] <Dupper> I'm just wondering whether I should build my own PC or order one online... w
[16:38] <Dupper> thanks justifier, I like the compiz better :)
[16:39] <justifier> compiz runs ontop of them
[16:39] <Dupper> Oh, ok. My bad.
[16:41] <Dvdvman> can someone give me help with this question? "If my hash brown had a base o
[16:41] <FO2> no homework
[16:41] <Dvdvman> its not homework
[16:41] <Dvdvman> its just a question
[16:41] <w0t> what's the default application for burning CDs in ubuntu?
[16:42] <FO2> k3b?
[16:42] <justifier> w0t, gnome baker
[16:42] <w0t> are those preinstalled with 7.10?
[16:43] <Dupper> SHould I order a PC from Apple/Dell/Gateway or build one myself? I've built
[16:43] <justifier> w0t, not sure,
[16:43] <Life^> actually ordering from dellw ould probably be less than self building lol
[16:43] <w0t> Dupper, customizing your own is still better
[16:43] <Life^> it's entirely up to you and how much customization you want
[16:43] <Life^> w0t: I dunno about that ;)
[16:43] <Dupper> I just want the thing to run games for a few years.
[16:43] <Life^> can you get 4 hours replacement support on your own desktop lol
[16:43] <w0t> if you know what you're doing
[16:44] <w0t> :o
[16:44] <justifier> Dupper, it depends on if they can match your desired spec exactly then u
[16:44] <w0t> well that'd be good
[16:44] <Life^> So you're saying if your motherboard died at 2 AM
[16:44] * kiss161 is now known as kiss161|a
[16:44] <Dupper> I don't have a desired spec
[16:44] <Life^> you could have a replacement within 4 hours? ;)
[16:44] <Dupper> I just want games to run good.
[16:44] <Life^> lol
[16:44] <Dupper> for a few years
[16:44] <Dupper> I got this PC in 2004 and it still runs games decently enough
[16:44] <w0t> that depends a lot on the games Dupper
[16:44] <Dupper> BioShock is really stretching it, which is why I'm considering an upgrade
[16:45] <justifier> well im off to bed im knackerd and its later here
[16:45] <justifier> .awa
[16:45] <w0t> why not just upgrade the old one?
[16:45] <b-relaxed> play system shock 2 instead hehe
[16:45] <Dupper> Socket A Barton 2500+
[16:45] <Dupper> It's at the end of it's line.
[16:45] <w0t> lol b-relaxed
[16:45] <w0t> sure
[16:45] <Life^> lol
[16:46] <Dupper> I can upgrade the graphics card but I don't think that's really gonna do it.
[16:46] <Dupper> the CPU is the bottleneck now, I mean my graphics card is already a 6800 Ult
[16:46] <Life^> Dupper: Well here's the thing, unless you order say an xps line, if you get
[16:46] <KenK> I'm using Windows Vista and I accidently made the Recycle Bin dissapear from t
[16:46] <Life^> xps line is more workable :) Apple won't run most games anyways
[16:46] <Dupper> Life: It would be an XPS
[16:46] <Life^> Gateway is a *HORRIBLE* idea just in general ;)
[16:46] <Dupper> Life: WindowsXP on a Mac with a HD 2600 XT won't run games? :(
[16:47] <Life^> well you didn't really specify windows :P
[16:47] <Life^> and not everyone goes that route
[16:47] <puffgirl> hey
[16:47] <Dupper> well I would just get the apple hardware
[16:47] <puffgirl> someone here?
[16:47] <Dupper> and run XP on it when I played games
[16:47] <puffgirl> ah
[16:47] <Life^> anyways I wouldn't go that route myself. Not bad hardware, but you could get
[16:47] <Dupper> yes puffgirl
[16:48] <Life^> if you're gonna go that route lol I mean yeah
[16:48] <Dupper> ok life, like...?
[16:48] <puffgirl> Dupper im new to this.. :\
[16:48] <Dupper> Puffgirl, what is your question
[16:48] <Life^> Dupper; If it was me, I'd see what the dell deals are. But also understand
[16:48] <puffgirl> thats the problem i dont even know a question to ask :\ how is it like in
[16:49] <Life^> just also understand some things make mor sense to buy not dell when you get
[16:49] <puffgirl> or is there anything like as registration
[16:49] <puffgirl> ?
[16:49] <Dupper> This is efnet, you keep the nick you want.
[16:49] <Dupper> unless someone else has it.
[16:49] <Life^> ie ram is cheaper on your own usually, also sometimes video cards have deals
[16:49] <Dupper> Life... I am also sick of the fickle nature of home built systems
[16:49] <w0t> no registrations.
[16:49] <puffgirl> oh ok :-)
[16:49] <Life^> yeah, that's the thing for me was I was like "I just don't want tod eal with
[16:49] <Dupper> Right.
[16:49] <Dupper> Is Dell too proprietary?
[16:49] <Life^> Dupper: Also, buy a decent warranty with it, and order out of xps or out of
[16:49] <Life^> what do you mean too proprietary?
[16:50] <Dupper> Can it take upgrades like a home-built system
[16:50] <Life^> Yes and no
[16:50] <Life^> motherboards ..... no
[16:50] <Dupper> like that next GPU and what-not
[16:50] <Life^> they will have a standard pci express slot for your video card
[16:50] <Intrepid`> dell used to be very proprietary
[16:50] <Intrepid`> but no one beats sony
[16:50] <puffgirl> thanks guys
[16:50] <Intrepid`> except apple
[16:50] <Life^> however the problem I had was that there was a capacitor on the board that wa
[16:50] <w0t> if you upgrade it yourself you'll probably void your warranty for opening the c
[16:50] <Life^> I'd review on gamer forums if you plan on putting anything crazy like that in
[16:51] <Life^> w0t: no you don't
[16:51] <Life^> they don't even put a sticker on it lol
[16:51] <w0t> you do on hp anyway
[16:51] <Life^> RAM is cheaper to buy on your own from newegg usually
[16:51] <Life^> no you don't
[16:51] <Life^> well I dunno about hp home line but *shrug*
[16:51] <Dupper> I would buy all my parts from newegg to self-assemble.
[16:51] <Intrepid`> it used to be like that
[16:51] <w0t> my hp had a sticker anyway
[16:51] <Intrepid`> I think hp is the only one still doing it
[16:51] <Intrepid`> if at all
[16:51] <Life^> HP doesn't on their workstation level stuff
[16:52] <Dupper> so the main concern with a Dell XPS is that it might not fit the "monster" v
[16:53] <Life^> the XPS ones should actually
[16:53] <Life^> mine was a precision so *shrug*
[16:53] <Life^> like I said read the gamer review forums to get a better idea
[16:53] <Dupper> I hate forums. :(
[16:54] <Life^> well get used to them ;)
[16:54] <Life^> anyways, I'm out
[16:54] <Life^> later
[16:54] <Dupper> later
[16:59] * Osc changes topic to ''General Help. JUST ASK! NO Illegal/Bots/Scripts/Politics/Medical/H
[17:07] <Jinx_Dojo> Can anyone recommend a good/secure FTPd for windows that has SSL? prefera
[17:13] <j4syn> filezilla?
[17:17] <intx> how do I paste in vi/vim?
[17:17] <w0t> shift insert?
[17:18] <intx> for some reason it's not pasting right.
[17:18] <w0t> hm
[17:18] <intx> scrolls down a bunch of lines
[17:18] <j4syn> p
[17:19] <w0t> should win xp automatically configure internet access via lan?
[17:19] <j4syn> eh
[17:19] <j4syn> dhcp
[17:19] <w0t> well does it, automatically?
[17:19] <j4syn> by default .. it will 'auto get' an ip
[17:19] <w0t> i'm wondering wether it's missing motherboard drivers
[17:20] <intx> w0t: it does auto DHCP yes
[17:20] <w0t> cause it doesn't get any ip by dhcp
[17:20] <w0t> but it does when i boot ubuntu
[17:20] <intx> w0t: you can try manual release/renew though, ipconfig /release and ipconfig /
[17:20] <w0t> i'll try that
[17:20] <intx> could be that it's not configured with the nic properly
[17:21] <intx> (e.g. wrong driver)
[17:21] <intx> or simply that it doesn't have the driver
[17:21] <w0t> downloaded some drivers and burnt them now
[17:21] <w0t> so hopefully that'll fix it
[17:21] * deww_ is now known as dewo
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