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Session Start: Tue Jul 29 10:38:15 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[10:38] * Now talking in #gamedev
[10:38] * Topic is 'FINALLY ... http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/ | http://www.caligari.com TrueSpac
[10:38] * Set by Dr_Rambo!Dr_Rambo@frost.d4.ru on Sun Jul 27 06:24:26
[10:38] -neobleed_- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[10:43] <Cryovat> So
[10:43] <Cryovat> Is EC out yet?
[10:43] <Cryovat> Just got home from work and the coke is still cold
[10:46] <fydo> EC?
[10:46] <Artifice> Out wednesday
[10:46] <Artifice> EC == Eternity's Child == my game
[10:46] <fydo> oh, awesome
[10:47] <Cryovat> Nice
[10:47] <Cryovat> Will be a long day tomorrow
[10:47] <Cryovat> Gonna be nice to unwind with
[10:47] <fydo> sweet, Wiiware!
[10:47] <fydo> :D
[10:47] <Artifice> Not on wiiware for a while though
[10:49] <Cryovat> Congrats on going gold btw
[10:49] <Artifice> Gold? Wouldn't it need, you know, sales?
[10:49] <Conkerjo> going gold is burnt to disc essentially.. isnt it ?
[10:49] <Artifice> Oh, ok
[10:49] <Artifice> That's a gold master
[10:50] <katya^> idon't think they're getting any physical presses any time soon :p
[10:50] <katya^> if ever
[10:50] <katya^> unless wiiware is physical
[10:51] <Conkerjo> Artifice: http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/29/valve-committed-to-xbla-re-rel
[10:51] <Conkerjo> no katya^ but you can go metaphorically gold?
[10:51] <katya^> I suppose theres that
[10:52] <Conkerjo> i dont see it though :(
[10:52] <Artifice> I'll be happy if my sales reach copper standard
[10:52] * Conkerjo flames steam
[10:54] <fydo> WiiWare is digital download only
[10:54] <Artifice> True, but I can still get them to send me a "gold" master
[10:56] * fydo high-fives Artifice
[10:56] <Artifice> I wonder how many other developers started out hoping to pay their rent th
[10:58] <Conkerjo> HA!
[10:58] <Conkerjo> i think most would be behind on their rent
[10:58] <Conkerjo> you're doing well :D
[10:58] <Conkerjo> if we all buy.. that gives you about 2 month
[10:59] <katya^> you mean if all 82 members of this room including bots?
[10:59] <Artifice> Actually, that gives me $82 :P
[10:59] <fydo> Artifice: how much of a cut do you get from the steam version? (just curious)
[10:59] <Artifice> I get about 20% of gross
[10:59] <Conkerjo> feckers
[10:59] <Artifice> Steam only takes 30%
[10:59] <katya^> who gets the rest
[10:59] <katya^> luc?
[10:59] <katya^> lol
[11:00] <Conkerjo> "costs?"
[11:00] <Artifice> Luc gets the same as me, the rest goes to the animator, other artists, and
[11:00] <Conkerjo> ah
[11:00] <Conkerjo> i assumed it was just you and luc..
[11:01] <Artifice> That's ecause luc is very visible and entertaining, and I hang out here
[11:01] <katya^> luc seems like kind of an ass really
[11:01] <katya^> lol
[11:02] <katya^> from the blog posts and what not
[11:02] <Artifice> That's my opinion
[11:02] <Conkerjo> how did you meet the guy Artifice
[11:03] <Artifice> gamedev.net
[11:04] <tomalak-> right
[11:04] <tomalak-> a prize to anyone who can figure out where the hell tomalak is
[11:04] <Artifice> england
[11:05] <tomalak-> lose, cheating
[11:05] <tomalak-> anyone else
[11:05] <katya^> england
[11:05] <tomalak-> ...
[11:05] <Artifice> You're not asking us to "figure it out", you're asking us to guess
[11:05] <Hypnotron> Luc is going to be the next Tim Burton and then you'll all be jealous
[11:05] <katya^> who is tim burton?
[11:05] <Artifice> Hypnotron: My prediction is more john romero.
[11:07] <Hypnotron> katya: Nightmare Before Christmas, Beattlejuice, Edward Scissor Hands...
[11:07] <Ghaleon> johnny romeromack
[11:07] <Artifice> Luc claims to hate burton's style
[11:07] <Ghaleon> yet he draws it
[11:07] <Artifice> I know, it's funny
[11:08] <Ghaleon> maybe that's why he's so emo ;D
[11:08] <Ghaleon> it's all he can draw is something he hates ;D
[11:08] <Artifice> ghaleon: mkcalc reppie We don't care about your dreams, your dumb question
[11:08] <Hypnotron> Corpse Bride
[11:09] <Ghaleon> mkcalc reppie We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95%
[11:09] <Ghaleon> newpz
[11:09] <Artifice> Damn, i thought that was the syntax. you'll have to get help from the bot
[11:09] * tomalak- is now known as tomalak
[11:09] <Ghaleon> lawlz
[11:09] <tomalak> never mind
[11:10] <Hypnotron> America's Gini coefficient, a measure of income inequality, places it in
[11:10] <Hypnotron> sweet
[11:10] <tomalak> gha
[11:10] <Artifice> mkcalc reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 9
[11:10] <tomalak> mkcalc reppie=We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95%
[11:10] <Ghaleon> mkcalc reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95
[11:10] <Unnamed> "reppie" added.
[11:10] <tomalak> ;P
[11:10] <Artifice> lmao
[11:10] <Ghaleon> ;;PP
[11:10] <Hypnotron> mkcalc reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or
[11:10] <Hypnotron> doh
[11:10] <Artifice> calc reppie
[11:10] <Unnamed> reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95% of th
[11:10] <tomalak> \o/
[11:11] <tomalak> Ghaleon: so when do I get calc privs?
[11:11] <tomalak> and btw it turns out that psybnc only dies if you kill -9 it
[11:11] <Ghaleon> dun ask me
[11:11] <Ghaleon> not my bawt
[11:12] <tomalak> yea but swish don't like me ;(
[11:13] <Ghaleon> I didn't think it was Swish's bot either
[11:14] * crashovrd puts Conkerjo up for adoption with Bradjolina
[11:14] <Conkerjo> WHATEVAR!!!!
[11:15] <Artifice> There are commands for any op to add people
[11:15] <Artifice> But they are arcane and not known the likes of myself
[11:16] <Ghaleon> summon houseplant Artifice
[11:16] <Ghaleon> that didn't seem to work ;D
[11:17] <Artifice> What was it supposed to do?
[11:18] <Ghaleon> [11:15] <+Artifice> There are commands for any op to add people
[11:18] <Hypnotron> "the one thing they dont say about Wikipedia is that 'I don't trust wikip
[11:19] <crashovrd> liarpedia!
[11:19] <Hypnotron> on why widipedia wont accept advertising
[11:19] <Hypnotron> respect
[11:19] <tomalak> Ghaleon: it's Zorba's but Zorba is deferring to Swish in terms of running i
[11:19] <Artifice> This room needs more ops, honestly
[11:19] <crashovrd> we dont need a calc bot, we never are on topic
[11:19] <crashovrd> :P
[11:20] <tomalak> i'm not sure if it does, Art
[11:20] <crashovrd> Artifice, is subtley hinting he wants to be op now
[11:20] <tomalak> if it were any other channel yes
[11:20] <tomalak> but we're pretty self sufficient in here
[11:20] * crashovrd starts a ruckus
[11:20] <tomalak> you're always starting a ruckus.. you don't count.
[11:20] <tomalak> the rest of us are self sufficient
[11:21] <Artifice> Nah, I don't need to be op. But getting spambots kicked faster when they s
[11:21] * crashovrd slaps tomalak around a bit with a large Bradjolina
[11:24] * Ghaleon marks crashovrd as a spambot
[11:24] <_Butcher_> do we get many spambots?
[11:25] <Artifice> Not really
[11:25] <_Butcher_> this place has loads of ops
[11:26] <_Butcher_> just most are perma-afk
[11:26] <Artifice> Only ghaleon is regularly active though
[11:26] <_Butcher_> and ghal sucks :x
[11:26] <Artifice> I can't clearly remember the last time I saw you active :P
[11:26] <_Butcher_> ;O
[11:26] <crashovrd> :O
[11:27] <_Butcher_> depends what you call active
[11:27] <Artifice> Well, "seen"
[11:27] <_Butcher_> if I'm in the channel I'm watching irc at least somewhat
[11:28] <crashovrd> at least he is not a grown man who still talks baby-talk
[11:28] <crashovrd> :)
[11:28] <Artifice> To be fair, ghaleon talks clearly when he's being serious
[11:28] <Artifice> No joker references please
[11:28] <crashovrd> havent seen the movie, so cant make one
[11:28] <_Butcher_> me either
[11:28] <tomalak> the joker existed before this movie, crashovrd
[11:29] <_Butcher_> ghal is serious now? since when? :p
[11:29] <tomalak> he can be
[11:29] <Artifice> More frequently in privmsg, when he has something important to say
[11:29] <tomalak> he just doesn't like to show it
[11:29] <Ghaleon> if you haven't seen batman, gtfo
[11:29] <Ghaleon> ;D
[11:29] <tomalak> i want to!
[11:29] <_Butcher_> meh
[11:30] <tomalak> unfortunately I work for a living
[11:30] <Artifice> If you haven't seen batman, even a good cam is worthwhile. It's best to se
[11:30] <Hypnotron> meh. i wouldnt not see this as a cam
[11:31] <Hypnotron> too many dark scenes
[11:31] <Hypnotron> you wont be able to see
[11:31] <Hypnotron> *would not
[11:31] <Artifice> True, I'll need to see it again on dvd.
[11:33] <Ghaleon> the Tron 2 cam is funnay
[11:33] <_Butcher_> anyway I think people just get ops here from longevity not anything else.
[11:33] <_Butcher_> I can't explain ziggy or ghal any other way at least ;D
[11:33] <tomalak> i would never watch a cam
[11:34] <tomalak> I am dying for a dvdrip or screener, but that is going to be some damn time
[11:34] <Artifice> This was the first cam I watched actually. It was about low VHS quality
[11:35] <Ghaleon> _Butcher_: We haven't figured you out either... I mean... you're way behind
[11:35] <_Butcher_> ;)
[11:35] <tomalak> you watched dark knight as cam?
[11:35] <_Butcher_> I dont even know how long I've been opped in here for :l
[11:35] <tomalak> do you regret it?
[11:36] <Artifice> I did, and I don't
[11:40] <tomalak> ok
[11:42] <Artifice> I would have prefered to wait for DVD, but jackasses like reddevil kept tr
[11:43] * Cryovat eats bewl
[11:43] <Hypnotron> meh. only 2 days left on my silo3d trial
[11:47] <Ghaleon> launch ze missilez?
[11:47] <Ghaleon> frum da silo?
[11:49] <reppie> hi
[11:50] <Ghaleon> rep pie
[11:55] <crashovrd> :O
[11:55] <crashovrd> so young! so angry! dam the rap music!
[11:55] <crashovrd> http://xboxfocus.com/columns/36-six-rings-in/625-microsoft-hates-us/index
[11:55] <crashovrd> "Disaffectionately known as the Xbox 3-Shitty"
[11:56] <crashovrd> "Then, my 360 headset was destroyed beyond repair in another 30 seconds b
[11:56] <crashovrd> bad kitty! bad!
[11:56] <Artifice> Hahaha. An unnamed publisher has called EC as hard as contra. This tells m
[11:57] <Cryovat> http://youtube.com/watch?v=aE5k7W66oJk
[11:58] <Cryovat> Why do people upload such things?
[11:58] <Cryovat> That's embarassing to watch :S
[11:58] <ZorbaTHut> yeah, EC is pretty hard but Contra? yeah right
[11:59] <ZorbaTHut> it is not exactly in that ballpark of difficulty
[11:59] <Artifice> If I added in one hit, you die, maybe.
[12:00] <Ghaleon> Contra on PS2 was designed to make little kids cry
[12:00] <Artifice> Goddamnit, luc is pissing me off again
[12:01] <Artifice> He seems to think every platformer need to let lives carry from one level
[12:05] <Cryovat> Is he being emo?
[12:05] <crashovrd> ZOMFG! WHY DONT PPL TELL ME THESE THINGS!
[12:05] <crashovrd> http://kotaku.com/5030465/space-siege-demo-released
[12:06] <Artifice> Cryovat: Not really, just idiotic
[12:11] * GFT got his laptop a day early! :D yay
[12:12] <Hypnotron> wats the gameplay of space siege like?
[12:14] <katya^> presumably like Dungeon Siege
[12:14] <katya^> but in space
[12:14] <Hypnotron> never played dungeon siege
[12:14] <katya^> dungeon siege is a diablo clone
[12:14] <Hypnotron> oh. so just hack n slash
[12:15] <katya^> pretty much
[12:15] <Cryovat> Wtf
[12:15] <Cryovat> http://youtube.com/watch?v=VOiKEJkSgDY
[12:15] <Cryovat> This was in my Youtube favorites :S
[12:15] <crashovrd> dungeon seige II was awesome fun
[12:15] <crashovrd> so i had been anticipating Space Seige
[12:16] <crashovrd> its not ghetto 2d like Diablo
[12:16] <katya^> but it's worse in so many ways
[12:16] <crashovrd> i hated diablo, but <3 Dungeon Seige II
[12:16] <katya^> and even diablo wasn't very good
[12:16] <katya^> I played through dungeon siege but it really holds your hand the whole way,
[12:16] <katya^> its like diablo for kindergartners
[12:18] <crashovrd> Hypnotron, http://kotaku.com/5011613/space-siege-is-full-of-space-win
[12:18] <crashovrd> "by the classic "Add Space To Anything" rule, is full of epic win"
[12:18] <crashovrd> :D
[12:18] * crashovrd adds Space to Conkerjo
[12:21] <katya^> "I always wanted to like the Dungeon Siege games, but Chris Taylor always se
[12:21] <katya^> ^--- exactly
[12:22] <_Butcher_> heh
[12:22] * Conkerjo stabs crashovrd
[12:22] <_Butcher_> we had to make it so friendlies do no damage in lego to stop them killing
[12:23] <katya^> maybe they were like "How can we prevent hackers from writing bots to automa
[12:23] <katya^> "I know, we can integrate that feature into the game itself"
[12:23] <Artifice> What good are friendlies then, butcher?
[12:24] <Hypnotron> make it so friendlies kill you
[12:24] <_Butcher_> Artifice: you can swap to them to use their special abilities
[12:24] <Hypnotron> the kind of friends that make enemies unnecessary
[12:24] <Artifice> Oh. I honestly hate artificial rules like that
[12:25] <_Butcher_> *shrug*
[12:25] <katya^> its a fecking game
[12:25] <katya^> not a movie!
[12:25] <katya^> yer supposed to "do" things!
[12:25] <katya^> lol
[12:25] <_Butcher_> having them butcher every bad guy you meet in 5 seconds sucks more tbh
[12:25] * einride blatantly advertises his sandbox mmo
[12:26] * _Butcher_ blatantly advertises lego batman ;)
[12:27] <_Butcher_> Hypnotron: also, the friendlies do occasionally kill you ;D
[12:27] <Artifice> mkcalc mmo= http://joshuapearce.com/your_mmo_will_contain.png
[12:27] <_Butcher_> mkcalc mmo= http://joshuapearce.com/your_mmo_will_contain.png
[12:27] <Unnamed> "mmo" added.
[12:27] <Artifice> Thanks
[12:27] <_Butcher_> ;)
[12:27] <baaba> you still didn't incorporate my suggested changes to that :(
[12:28] <Artifice> I did, but I forgot what they were
[12:28] <baaba> you need an empty portion at least 80% of the size
[12:28] <baaba> and squeeze the rest into the 20%
[12:28] <_Butcher_> surely that's covered under fail? ;p
[12:28] <Artifice> I think I was going to add that as "Not picytured: The 80% of game design
[12:28] <baaba> no, what doesn't exist can't fail
[12:29] <einride> we'll own your pie
[12:30] <Artifice> Boy, google docs sure does fail. Stuck in a loading loop for some reason
[12:30] <katya^> lets try cuil-docs
[12:30] <_Butcher_> even pro mmos have weird stuff - I remember running round TBC in wow and
[12:30] <Artifice> I'd have to make the graph over from scratch
[12:31] <katya^> Butcher: That was a sneak preview of the new race being featured in Warcraft
[12:31] * einride fireball rocketjumps onto a passing boat, murders the captain and runs off with h
[12:31] <katya^> cross-promoting, you see
[12:32] <_Butcher_> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/428096014_b74c08a1a3.jpg?v=0 - like th
[12:33] <_Butcher_> katya^: well to be fair it was during alpha, but still amusing ;p
[12:33] <einride> our mesh of doom and texture of doom looks better!
[12:33] <katya^> Warcraft IV: Rise Of The Demonic Checkered Cubes O.o
[12:33] <_Butcher_> ;O
[12:35] <katya^> http://www.panelmonkey.org/gs/Marinesheet.gif <--- Texture Of Doom
[12:40] <Cryovat> DOOM
[12:41] <Artifice> Amazing how MS office sets the default chart colors to "god awful ugly and
[12:46] <Artifice> Updated: http://joshuapearce.com/your_mmo_will_contain.png
[12:49] <Hypnotron> Artifice -> dasher of hopes. slayer of dreams.
[12:49] <Artifice> Other than coding, that does seem to be my best game related skill
[12:50] * einride persists
[13:06] <tomalak> much better, Art
[13:06] <tomalak> should be "that" not "which", though
[13:07] <Artifice> Either is fine, I think which sounds better
[13:09] <reppie> you do it to me every time
[13:10] <tomalak> which is inappropriate though!
[13:11] <tomalak> they do not mean the same
[13:11] <tomalak> but i'm guessing you don't want to go into this
[13:11] <Artifice> I always thought "which" was more appropriate in that situation
[13:11] <Ghaleon> she's a which
[13:12] <tomalak> it's not
[13:12] <tomalak> http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/which.htm
[13:12] <tomalak> you're saying "the 80% of work involved in game design is not pictured ...
[13:13] <tomalak> rather than "there could be other 80%s of work involved in game design but
[13:13] <Artifice> That article you linked says "this rule no longer applies", in short
[13:14] <tomalak> no, the article says "people don't give a shit about grammar any more", in
[13:14] <tomalak> the meaning of the words remains
[13:14] <Artifice> This grammar, tis of thee. Verily, it matters little.
[13:15] <tomalak> ;(
[13:15] <tomalak> anyway
[13:15] <tomalak> nice graph
[13:15] <Artifice> I'd alter the wording, but I'm too lazy to redo that part in mspaint and f
[13:15] <tomalak> bug, plugins.jquery.com is down
[13:15] <tomalak> just when i need it
[13:16] <crashovrd> ur mom is down
[13:16] <crashovrd> isnt there a #GrammarNazis ?
[13:16] * ghib[4d] is now known as ghib[away
[13:17] <Artifice> Somebody should just write a YourMom bot
[13:18] <reppie> when was the last time you got creeped out
[13:18] <Artifice> calc reppie
[13:18] <Unnamed> reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95% of th
[13:18] <reppie> i don't mind
[13:19] <Artifice> You keep saying that, but you're obviously just looking for attention.
[13:19] <reppie> if you say so!
[13:19] <crashovrd> i have to concur, its gotten way past 'old'
[13:19] <Artifice> From now on, all I'll be saying is along the lines of STFU, or using that
[13:19] <reppie> re you mexican
[13:19] <reppie> or what
[13:20] <reppie> err wrong window
[13:20] <Artifice> I thought by pointing out when you were being annoying, you'd learn to sto
[13:20] <crashovrd> there are certain standards of socially acceptable norms reppie
[13:21] <reppie> says the troll
[13:21] <crashovrd> random offtopic questions evey 5 minutes is not one of those norms
[13:21] <crashovrd> this is not #therapy
[13:21] <reppie> i don't need any therapy
[13:21] * Hypnotron grabs popcorn
[13:21] <Artifice> mkcalc crashovrd= He's not a troll, despite the rumors.
[13:27] <Ghaleon> lyez
[13:27] <Hypnotron> 5.4 magnitude earthquake in southern california
[13:27] <Ghaleon> :O
[13:27] <Ghaleon> epicenter?
[13:27] <Hypnotron> LA
[13:27] <Artifice> Sorry crashovrd, looks like I was vetoed
[13:28] <reppie> the truth is harsh
[13:28] <katya^> i like reppie more than crashovrd
[13:28] <katya^> thats not really saying much
[13:28] <katya^> but meh
[13:29] <reppie> me too, actually
[13:31] <Ghaleon> fo realz
[13:35] <reppie> teh repz goes to werk
[13:39] <kozmonaut> koz is the king of likeing
[13:41] <kozmonaut> looks like we have some new aspiring jerkface0 here
[13:41] <crashovrd> :O such harsh critisms! your words do sting me!
[13:41] <crashovrd> at least they would if i cared
[13:41] <crashovrd> :P
[13:41] <kozmonaut> guys the more anoying you guys are, the more likelyhood you guys having t
[13:41] <crashovrd> \o/
[13:42] * crashovrd signs up
[13:42] * Ghaleon signs up to apply teh beatingz wiff prittay kittah dances
[13:44] <kozmonaut> its the preety kittay shuffle
[13:45] <kozmonaut> i like that one scene were the ho beats up ultyma, cause he keeps claimin
[13:46] <tomalak> that was odd
[13:47] <crashovrd> ur mom was odd
[13:47] <tomalak> iknow
[14:00] <crashovrd> Spinning Naked D00d Model sez: I render faster now! thx 4 the optimizatio
[14:07] <reppie> real computer science?
[14:08] <crashovrd> yes, its now faster than your mom
[14:12] <reppie> i'm eating a salami sandwich
[14:12] <Artifice> calc lordpil
[14:12] <Unnamed> lordpil = This channel is NOT your private Livejournal. Do not use it as su
[14:13] <reclusive> I should eat something
[14:13] <reclusive> or maybe just have soup
[14:14] <reclusive> I has lots of recoding to do today, meh
[14:14] <reppie> recording of what
[14:16] <Ghaleon> of soup
[14:19] <reppie> i'm so demotivated right now
[14:20] <Artifice> 24 hours from now, I could have more money than I've had at one time. Or a
[14:20] <reppie> i'm in that situation every two weeks
[14:20] <reppie> you get used to it
[14:20] <Artifice> Then you suck at math.
[14:21] <reppie> how so?
[14:22] <Artifice> It's not possible for every paycheck to be more money than you've ever had
[14:22] <reppie> why not?
[14:22] <Artifice> I return to, you suck at math.
[14:22] <reppie> ever heard of "saving"
[14:23] <reppie> (money)
[14:23] <Artifice> That's the same money, why would it count.
[14:23] <reppie> because it grows
[14:23] <reppie> every two weeks
[14:39] <microcosm> http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62900&archive=true
[14:39] <microcosm> why the "surge" is a sham
[14:39] <Ghaleon> what does that have to do with games ;P
[14:40] <fydo> inspiration for a new Iraq game? shrug
[14:40] <microcosm> who talks games 24/7
[14:40] <microcosm> geek
[14:40] <microcosm> lol
[14:40] <Ghaleon> you got yer politicz in my gaming
[14:41] <fydo> yeah, I play games specifically to escape from things like politics :)
[14:41] <Hypnotron> then you wont like my gamez
[14:42] <Hypnotron> they are a cover for my left wing propoganda
[14:42] <Hypnotron> muahaha
[14:42] <fydo> you need some right wing in there too, otherwise it'll never take off
[14:42] <fydo> </awesomejoke>
[14:42] <Hypnotron> heheh
[14:42] <microcosm> lol
[14:42] <Ghaleon> unless it'z animu
[14:42] <Ghaleon> they only needs one wing
[14:44] <Ghaleon> I'd rather discuss Fat Princess
[14:44] <Ghaleon> http://kotaku.com/5030473/a-weighty-debate-discussing-fat-princess
[14:45] <tomalak> no
[14:45] <tomalak> just... no.
[14:46] <Hypnotron> yes
[14:46] <Hypnotron> "I hate when we as an audience dismiss debates on issues in video games b
[14:46] <Hypnotron> nails it
[14:47] * crashovrd makes "She a ho princess" game
[14:47] <Hypnotron> its not like there arent tons of Tomb Raider chicks
[14:48] <Ghaleon> wimmens go kwayzi when we has tomb raider chix too
[14:48] <Ghaleon> so in conclusion: wimmens go kwayzi if game is released
[14:49] <Cryovat> I'm tempted to make a game where you shoot overweight black women at Walmar
[14:49] <Ghaleon> wut aboot McD'z
[14:50] <Ghaleon> my wife works with some crazy that eat like 5 cheeseburgers for lunch
[14:50] <fydo> should have called it "Thin Princess with Big Jugs" to appease the feminists ;
[14:51] * crashovrd makes that game too
[14:51] <Cryovat> Ooh
[14:51] <Cryovat> Let's make Radical Feminist Picketer: The Game
[14:54] <Ghaleon> the objective is to click on as many things as possible, to picket them
[14:54] <Ghaleon> all the while being a hypocrit
[14:56] <Sapped> sounds fun
[14:56] <reppie> what do school teachers do in the summer vacation
[14:57] <Hypnotron> need more film-noir detective films
[14:57] <Hypnotron> err... games
[14:57] <reppie> do they still get paid
[14:57] <Hypnotron> reppie: they hybernate
[14:57] <Ghaleon> what about summer school
[14:58] <Hypnotron> they lock themselves inside while they try to write the great American no
[14:59] <Hypnotron> dreaming about the day they can ditch their under appreciated and under p
[15:00] <crashovrd> really? huh. i thought they ...
[15:00] <crashovrd> spent all summer long figuring out how they are going to smother reppie w
[15:01] <reppie> i don't go to school
[15:10] <Artifice> crashovrd: We have a calc for that now
[15:11] <Rangar> ow wow... VIA's new cpu beats Intels... VIA now seems to be hugely back in t
[15:11] <microcosm> 'lo hal
[15:12] <Rangar> hey moe :)
[15:14] <Rangar> what are you doing with yourself now days?
[15:14] <crashovrd> Rangar, link? cuz VIA and nVidia are partners this could get interesting
[15:15] <Hypnotron> VIA fooled me once... shame on.... me. they ain't gonna fool me again
[15:15] <Rangar> http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=597 <-- It's only in the mobile cpu
[15:15] <crashovrd> thats the space they are set to compete in
[15:16] <Rangar> My second PC cpu was a VIA.. It's fpu was a sad performer.. but that wasnt m
[15:16] <microcosm> moving to france. or at least... trying to. i have dual citizenship. or w
[15:16] <Rangar> france??.. but dude.. it's full of french people! ;)
[15:16] <microcosm> lol. i know.. ugh
[15:16] <microcosm> snobby, smelly french people
[15:17] <Hypnotron> seattle always gets highly rated
[15:17] <Rangar> apparently they make great lovers!
[15:17] <Hypnotron> best cities to live in the U.S
[15:18] <microcosm> seattle has a high suicide rate too lol
[15:18] <microcosm> something to do with the gloomy weather
[15:19] <Hypnotron> and high rate of multiple sclerosis
[15:19] <Hypnotron> and i think we're highish in the autism department too
[15:20] <Rangar> hrm interesting
[15:20] <Hypnotron> all the engineers marrying other engineers
[15:20] <Hypnotron> i think if you're a geek you're better off marying a dumb bimbo
[15:20] <Rangar> so, what your saying is Seattle is the US leader in inbreading? ;)
[15:20] * Rangar ducks
[15:20] <Hypnotron> :(
[15:20] <microcosm> lol
[15:21] <Rangar> yea yea.. I know.. truth hurts ;)
[15:22] <Hypnotron> you'll be sorry when Ghaleon is crying because you jinxed his baby
[15:23] * Hypnotron drops the 10 foot pole and runz
[15:24] <Rangar> Ghal is preggers? whoa.. the dude will be bloody rich!
[15:25] * Conkerjo flames crashovrd
[15:26] <Ultyma> hacks
[15:34] <microcosm> ghal will brainwash his kid to speak ghalbonix
[15:42] <Hypnotron> if your wife had a test during the 1st trimester that said your kid was g
[15:43] * crashovrd micro-optimizes Conkerjo
[15:43] * crashovrd treats Hypnotron for reppie-syndrome
[15:44] <microcosm> hypno: i dont know.. tough question
[15:45] <wkr4k3r> yes
[15:45] <wkr4k3r> of course you do
[15:45] <Hypnotron> same here
[15:45] <wkr4k3r> thats actually a good reason for abortion
[15:46] <wkr4k3r> autism i dont know
[15:46] <wkr4k3r> but downs syndrom, duh
[15:46] <crashovrd> ok...
[15:46] <crashovrd> but
[15:46] <crashovrd> the test results could be wrong
[15:46] <wkr4k3r> autism you shouldnt
[15:46] <wkr4k3r> obviously
[15:46] <wkr4k3r> downs syndrom is a huge genetic mutation
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> or something
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> heh
[15:47] <Hypnotron> i dont see the difference
[15:47] <crashovrd> which is why you should wait till the child if 5 years old before conside
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> yea they could be wrong
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> they arent though
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> if your kids face is retarded
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> its a retard
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> probably
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> lol
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> they can tell with testing too
[15:47] <Hypnotron> i mean if you're going to commit to the idea of saying what is and is not
[15:47] <wkr4k3r> it has the extra chromosone
[15:48] <Hypnotron> more important to me would be whether it was 1st trimester or not
[15:48] <wkr4k3r> its more of a pain to take care of the retard forever
[15:48] <crashovrd> if you knew that your child would grow up to ask random questions on IRC
[15:48] <wkr4k3r> no
[15:48] <wkr4k3r> wtf
[15:49] <Hypnotron> that's a reppie joke
[15:49] <wkr4k3r> if you knew your kid was gonna sell crack when he grew up would you get an
[15:49] <wkr4k3r> oh
[15:49] * crashovrd develops a test for that
[15:49] <wkr4k3r> okay
[15:50] <microcosm> lol wtf http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/29/house.slavery/index.html
[15:50] <microcosm> why NOW, of all times
[15:51] <microcosm> are they trying to polarize the country or something
[15:51] <wkr4k3r> ever sold crack
[15:51] <Hypnotron> microcosm: probably to avoid a scenario of Barack being criticized for NO
[15:51] <microcosm> possible
[15:52] <microcosm> or maybe theyre trying to undermine barack & get the racists all riled up
[15:52] <Hypnotron> i dont think so
[15:52] <microcosm> & voting booth
[15:52] <Hypnotron> i think Dems see this as a slam dunk election
[15:53] <microcosm> yea
[15:53] <microcosm> especially with that Alaska senator being convicted today for taking brib
[15:53] <Hypnotron> indicted
[15:54] <microcosm> mr 'internet is like tubes'
[15:54] <microcosm> ya
[15:54] <microcosm> he basically gave the dems a gift
[15:55] <microcosm> his 'GOP bridge to nowhere' is complete
[15:55] <microcosm> lol
[15:57] <microcosm> steve cohen d-tn
[15:57] <microcosm> hmmm
[15:57] <crashovrd> can we get the house to appologise for Will Farrell too? he is also a cri
[15:57] <Hypnotron> id support that
[15:58] <microcosm> haha
[16:07] <Ghaleon> I married a womans from out of country, my babies will be fyne
[16:07] <Hypnotron> most of the SNL crowd from the last 15 years that have gone into movies s
[16:07] <Hypnotron> i havent seen Zohan so im making a safe bet there
[16:08] <Hypnotron> Tracy Morgan is horrible
[16:08] <Swish> "The price is WRONG BITCH!"
[16:09] <Swish> (that was the best line of that movie)
[16:09] <microcosm> sandler was good in that one movie with jack nicholson
[16:09] <microcosm> hes alright when he has a serious role
[16:11] <Ghaleon> Jack N. seems to be going crazy after not getting the Joker role again
[16:12] <Hypnotron> he's too old
[16:12] <microcosm> too bad. ledger's joker > jack's
[16:12] <Ghaleon> ledger's was scary
[16:12] <microcosm> i didnt even think it was possible
[16:12] <microcosm> but it was
[16:12] <Ghaleon> probably all the drugz or smth
[16:13] <Hypnotron> kinda reminded me of Chigurh from "No Country for Old Men"
[16:13] <reppie> you don't stop laughing becauseyou grow old. you grow old because you stop l
[16:14] <Swish> finally, reppie says something worth hearing
[16:14] * Swish claps
[16:14] <Swish> I vote for a round of applause
[16:14] * crashovrd gives Swish the clap
[16:14] <Swish> yano... that's not -quite- the same thing ;)
[16:15] * Swish suddenly develops an itch "down there"
[16:15] <crashovrd> :)
[16:17] <tomalak> night all
[16:17] <Swish> gnite
[16:19] <reppie> nite
[16:22] <microcosm> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/29/mccain-easy-victory-iraq/
[16:22] <microcosm> ugh
[16:23] <Ghaleon> if politics makes you "ugh" play a game
[16:23] <Ghaleon> ;D
[16:23] <microcosm> lol
[16:23] <Hypnotron> create a game!
[16:23] <Artifice> He's got a point, the actual takeover of iraq was just a large military ex
[16:24] <wkr4k3r> not really
[16:24] <wkr4k3r> it was a small one
[16:24] <wkr4k3r> lol
[16:24] <wkr4k3r> too small
[16:24] <wkr4k3r> bush is idiot
[16:25] <wkr4k3r> "we will kill their relatives and they will throw flowers in awe"
[16:25] <wkr4k3r> hha
[16:25] <Ghaleon> what does that have to do with Mario Strikers
[16:25] <Artifice> We need a calc for gibbering idiot
[16:26] <wkr4k3r> respect this slug thats going down
[16:26] <reppie> have you ever thrown a stone at someone
[16:26] <wkr4k3r> no
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> but i was paranoid once and got a roclk
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> after a cop said he would call 20 cops on me
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> and i dindt do anything threatening
[16:27] <reppie> i hate cops
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> so i got a rock
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> and broke it in half
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> in the storm drain
[16:27] <Artifice> Oh fuck, they're online at the same time
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> and walked around with it
[16:27] <Artifice> ghaleon, save the channel
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> until my ride came
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> lol
[16:27] <wkr4k3r> i needed protection
[16:28] <Ghaleon> :O
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> if 20 cops were coming
[16:28] * Ghaleon hits the save button
[16:28] <Hypnotron> throw a stone? used to use a wrist rocket
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> ad i didnt do anything
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> no
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> it was used to be a weapon
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> i broke it in half
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> and made it sharp
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> no sharpening
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> it was a rather large rock
[16:28] <Hypnotron> http://www.catsdomain.com/pencil1.MPG
[16:28] <wkr4k3r> it was a stabbing and crushing weapon
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> and cutting
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> whatever
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> it had a nice angle to it
[16:29] <Hypnotron> wrist rockets with laser sites now?!
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> where it broke off
[16:29] <reppie> at last you see me drown
[16:29] * crashovrd constructs a rudimentary lathe
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> it was stone that breaks sharp
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> so it was no problem
[16:29] <wkr4k3r> just threw the rock hard as i could at the other rock
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> breaks in two..
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> wiuth a nice blade
[16:30] <Artifice> You two, STFU. Not even close to game related
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> yes
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> in our games we can have rocks
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> and break them
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> for weapons
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> cutting
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> and bone crusher
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> or something
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> like brass knuckles
[16:30] <wkr4k3r> sorta
[16:31] <reppie> how many lines of code do you write per day
[16:31] <crashovrd> lets all just stop and ask anna-sexy what she thinks
[16:31] <Hypnotron> the number is too depressing to contemplate
[16:31] <reppie> 100?
[16:32] <wkr4k3r> how many bugs do you fix a day is more like it
[16:32] <wkr4k3r> hahah
[16:32] <wkr4k3r> lines...pff
[16:32] <wkr4k3r> a bazillion
[16:32] <wkr4k3r> without any debugging
[16:33] <microcosm> hm i wonder what it'd take to get the government to apologize to native a
[16:33] <Artifice> It'd take a canadian
[16:34] <Ghaleon> didn't we already do that?
[16:34] <reppie> who's the most famous italian person
[16:34] <Artifice> calc reppie
[16:34] <Unnamed> reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95% of th
[16:34] <microcosm> vito corleone
[16:34] <Hypnotron> Fly_Mario!
[16:35] <Artifice> No, super mario
[16:35] <microcosm> tru
[16:35] <reppie> rocco siffredi?
[16:35] <microcosm> no one trumps mario
[16:35] <wkr4k3r> fuck this
[16:35] <fydo> wkr4k3r: maybe later, I'm a little tired?
[16:36] <fydo> :)
[16:36] <wkr4k3r> buy some crack
[16:36] <wkr4k3r> it will wake you up for 10 minutes
[16:36] <wkr4k3r> its free if you havent tried
[16:36] <wkr4k3r> it
[16:40] <microcosm> http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2008/07/enemies-with-benefits.html
[16:40] <microcosm> lol. enemies with benefits
[16:40] <microcosm> i like that
[16:49] <reppie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/29/cuil_launch/
[16:52] * Birgitte6 is now known as Birgitte
[16:57] <crashovrd> i just tried that cuil search engine too
[16:57] <crashovrd> i gave it things that google always phails with
[16:57] <crashovrd> and it found what i wanted
[16:57] <crashovrd> but the presentation of the info is shit
[16:57] <Artifice> Some weird fetish porn?
[16:57] <Ghaleon> what does it phjailz wif
[16:58] <Ghaleon> crotch lasers?
[16:58] <crashovrd> any of the opengl commands
[16:58] <crashovrd> it never takes you to the opengl site
[16:58] <Artifice> "my uncle banging a donkey" might be too specific for google
[16:58] <crashovrd> so i always have to put "site:opengl.org"
[16:58] <Ghaleon> Artifice: I bet it'd know if you use a login
[16:58] <Artifice> Yeah, it normally brings up some luabind docs, right? They work anyways
[16:58] <Ghaleon> since they read yer emails
[17:00] <crashovrd> omfg, space siege finally finished downloading
[17:00] <reppie> do you have any cow-orkers who aren't very good
[17:00] <Artifice> calc reppie
[17:00] <Unnamed> reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95% of th
[17:00] <Ghaleon> crashovrd: did you not has enuff space for space siege
[17:01] <Ghaleon> reppie: yes and his name is reppie
[17:01] <crashovrd> no, the mirrors were all slow
[17:01] <reppie> Ghaleon we work in the same company?
[17:01] * Krisc|wrk is now known as Krisc|slp
[17:02] <crashovrd> omg
[17:02] <crashovrd> no wonder its so friggin huge
[17:02] <crashovrd> its ALL middle ware
[17:02] <Ghaleon> and middle ware intro vids?
[17:02] <Artifice> middle ware? Like adobe reader etc?
[17:02] <crashovrd> its installing everyone's runtime
[17:02] <crashovrd> directx
[17:02] <crashovrd> physx
[17:02] <crashovrd> your mom
[17:03] <Ghaleon> my mom is a static lib
[17:03] <Artifice> I never did put the VS2005 runtime into my installer...
[17:04] <crashovrd> criware
[17:04] <crashovrd> \o/ it started
[17:05] <crashovrd> evil alien race wants to wipe out mankind
[17:05] <crashovrd> standard plot... check
[17:05] <crashovrd> pointless long ass opening movie.... check
[17:06] <Artifice> POintless longass logo movie?
[17:06] <crashovrd> check
[17:06] <Artifice> Also, unskippable
[17:06] <crashovrd> battle star galactica style footage.... check
[17:06] <Artifice> What a sluggishly animated interface that looks spiffy, but takes several
[17:06] <crashovrd> just now got to the interface
[17:06] <crashovrd> :)
[17:07] <crashovrd> OMFG!
[17:07] <crashovrd> this is too funny
[17:07] <Artifice> That's usually more a problem in menus
[17:07] <crashovrd> you should do this in your game
[17:07] <crashovrd> they play that long ass movie right
[17:07] <crashovrd> well guess what
[17:07] <crashovrd> they play it AGAIN as part of the main meny
[17:07] <crashovrd> meny
[17:07] <crashovrd> menu
[17:07] <crashovrd> !
[17:07] <Artifice> Eww
[17:07] <Artifice> I like the idea of doing it as part of the menu hough. just not both
[17:08] <crashovrd> so far UI is good
[17:09] <crashovrd> standard 'loading screen'
[17:09] <crashovrd> its got a HUGE ASS custom pointer
[17:09] <crashovrd> that looks like a cheese wedge
[17:09] <crashovrd> OMFG
[17:09] <crashovrd> another movie
[17:10] <crashovrd> short ingame cinematic
[17:10] <crashovrd> throws you right into game play
[17:10] <crashovrd> i have no clue what i am doing
[17:10] <crashovrd> no docs
[17:10] <Artifice> Holy crap crashovrd, let go of the enter key
[17:11] <reppie> how often does someone break the build at your work
[17:11] <Ghaleon> far too often
[17:11] * Krisc|slp is now known as Krisc|afk
[17:11] <fydo> reppie: argh, I hate it when that happens
[17:11] <reppie> when was the last time you borke it
[17:11] <reppie> broke
[17:12] <crashovrd> lame
[17:12] <crashovrd> i finished the first round and the mission briefing for the next round st
[17:12] <crashovrd> and died during the briefing for the next mission
[17:13] <fydo> reppie: a long while ago
[17:13] <fydo> crashovrd: lol, that's lame
[17:14] <Ultyma> lol
[17:18] <crashovrd> this is strange, its like a 3rd person rpg shooter
[17:18] <crashovrd> you click A LOT
[17:18] <reppie> diablo?
[17:20] <Ghaleon> which is different from Dungeon Siege 1 where you click once every five min
[17:21] <crashovrd> hush! i am trying to install my cybernetic arm cuz the ship told me too
[17:21] <crashovrd> :P
[17:22] <crashovrd> would be nice if it told me HOW
[17:22] <reppie> when was the last time you felt lonely
[17:22] <crashovrd> when was the last time you got your ass beat for asking stupid questions
[17:23] <Ghaleon> crashovrd: why have you not laid siege yet.... in space
[17:23] <crashovrd> because i dont know how to play !
[17:23] <crashovrd> the controls are very confusing
[17:24] <crashovrd> there is no tutorial to get you started
[17:24] <crashovrd> i am STILL trying to install my cybernetic arm
[17:24] <crashovrd> but i did find what looks like a tech tree... very cool stuff
[17:24] <crashovrd> cybernetic eyes and stuff
[17:24] <crashovrd> i wonder if there is a cybernetic penis somewhere too
[17:25] <crashovrd> anyway, looks like the game may be good once i get into it
[17:25] <Artifice> They exist in the real world, s probably not
[17:25] <crashovrd> they seem to put a lot into the design
[17:34] <crashovrd> its like the physics exist solely for the sake of having it
[17:34] <crashovrd> they dont really add anything to game play
[17:35] <reppie> what game is this
[17:35] <crashovrd> the space siege demo
[17:36] * [cube3_] is now known as [[cube3]]
[17:37] <crashovrd> oooOOOO
[17:37] <crashovrd> they have a cybernetic brain somewhere
[17:37] <reppie> ghost in teh shell
[17:38] * crashovrd goes in search of the cybernetic wizard of oz
[17:38] <Ghaleon> mothar brainz
[17:43] <katya^> ITS GOT ENOUGH POWER TO GUIDE A MISSILE
[17:45] <reppie> katya^ if crashovrd gave you $10 would you sleep with him
[17:45] <reppie> or at least be friends with him
[17:46] <wkr4k3r> pff
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> it doesnt take much power to guide a missle
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> lol
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> all those computerless guided missles
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> sa-7
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> lol
[17:47] <wkr4k3r> sa-3
[17:48] <reppie> v-2
[17:48] <wkr4k3r> no
[17:48] <wkr4k3r> it wasnt guided
[17:48] <wkr4k3r> it had gyroscopic stablilization
[17:48] <crashovrd> \o/ its an RPG, i am already backtracking
[17:48] <reppie> "epic" is pretty much the most overused word of the last 2-3 years
[17:48] <wkr4k3r> an rpg doesnt have gyroscoptic stablization, it has spin 'stablization'
[17:49] <wkr4k3r> v1 had pendilums and a compass
[17:49] <wkr4k3r> and a timer
[17:49] <wkr4k3r> heh
[17:51] <wkr4k3r> they had radio controlled droped guided bomb w/ flare on top
[17:51] <wkr4k3r> for aiming
[17:51] <wkr4k3r> germans
[17:51] <wkr4k3r> all the useless german crap
[17:52] <crashovrd> wow, that was a short demo for 1 GB of download
[17:52] <wkr4k3r> yea and us planes let the bombadeer take over piloting for bombing
[17:52] <reppie> what's your opinion on the police
[17:52] <wkr4k3r> me?
[17:52] <wkr4k3r> wkr4k4r will storm on any motherfucking in the blue uniform
[17:52] <reppie> everyone, including you
[17:52] <wkr4k3r> no
[17:52] <wkr4k3r> im a young jew on a warpath
[17:53] <wkr4k3r> and in the end its gonna be a bloodbath
[17:53] <wkr4k3r> of cops dieing where they should
[17:54] <crashovrd> what did realtime do?
[17:54] <reppie> :(
[17:54] <reppie> i'm against bans
[17:54] <Ghaleon> heh, good catch crash
[17:55] <crashovrd> lol
[17:55] <crashovrd> we will call it a friendly fire incident
[17:55] <Ghaleon> realtime's crime was naming himself close enough to reppie ;D
[17:56] <Hypnotron> EA 95 million dollar net loss for the quarter
[17:56] <Hypnotron> see... any game company that loses that much should just die
[17:56] <Ghaleon> like Sony?
[17:56] <Ghaleon> and MS?
[17:56] <Hypnotron> but no.... you let them get away with all these friggen mega mergers
[17:56] <Hypnotron> and then they never die
[17:57] <Ghaleon> the legend will never die
[17:57] <Ghaleon> EA was seriously wounded, but the soul still burns!
[17:59] <Hypnotron> maybe if EA spent less money on marketing
[17:59] <Hypnotron> and more on making good games
[18:01] <Ghaleon> is EA marketing really that expensives?
[18:01] <Hypnotron> their stock chart isnt looking too good
[18:01] <Ghaleon> I don't pay attention
[18:03] <crashovrd> :( well i gotta say
[18:03] <crashovrd> i was disappointed with the demo
[18:04] <crashovrd> i was hoping for something more mass-effectish
[18:04] <crashovrd> but this is pretty much the same engine from all them years ago
[18:04] <crashovrd> + pointless physics
[18:06] <JustBurn> same will be Spore
[18:06] <Hypnotron> i dunno. i just do see how you can lose 95 million in a quarter with 804
[18:06] <Hypnotron> making games unless you're just throwing away money on something
[18:08] <crashovrd> maybe they left it in their pants when they sent them to be cleaned
[18:08] <JustBurn> riiigghhhttt
[18:09] <Hypnotron> maybe they arent using the energy star features of their monitor
[18:09] <Hypnotron> s
[18:10] * Ultyma deletes his mmorpg
[18:10] <JustBurn> maybe they don't even care
[18:10] <Hypnotron> Ultyma: starting over?
[18:10] <Ultyma> im sick of stuff not working
[18:10] <Ultyma> every network library i choose is ass
[18:10] <JustBurn> use Sockets!
[18:10] <Ultyma> it is
[18:10] <crashovrd> which one did you use last?
[18:10] <Ultyma> Nading Network Lib
[18:10] <fydo> the only way to do it right is to do it yourself ;)
[18:10] <Hypnotron> Ultyma: but you were the SWGEmu dude!
[18:11] <Hypnotron> you should know everythign there is to know about mmo networking
[18:11] <Ultyma> i know
[18:11] <Ultyma> :(
[18:11] <JustBurn> seriously, what was wrong with Sockets?
[18:11] <JustBurn> there's no way Sockets could fail
[18:12] <JustBurn> or your internets suxxor
[18:12] <Ultyma> that library is built on that
[18:12] <Ultyma> i send 3 packets, the client responds to the first 2, and then wont process
[18:12] <Ultyma> its like.. wtf
[18:12] <JustBurn> uh?
[18:12] <JustBurn> are you using TCP or UDP?
[18:12] <Ultyma> tcp
[18:14] <JustBurn> some bug in the client?
[18:14] <Ultyma> probably
[18:14] <JustBurn> well, now too late to fix it? eh? :P
[18:14] <Ultyma> ya..
[18:14] <Ultyma> heh
[18:16] * crashovrd gets out Artifice 's mmorpg chart
[18:17] <Artifice> calc mmo
[18:17] <Unnamed> mmo = http://joshuapearce.com/your_mmo_will_contain.png
[18:17] <Ultyma> indeed
[18:18] <crashovrd> oh! i see what the big deal about that new search engine is
[18:18] <crashovrd> "We do not keep logs of our users? search activity."
[18:20] <katya^> http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/
[18:21] <crashovrd> Artifice, your in the index
[18:21] <crashovrd> it auto complete Eternity's Child
[18:21] <katya^> nub
[18:22] <crashovrd> http://www.cuil.com/search?q=Eternity%27s+Child
[18:22] <Artifice> Wacky
[18:22] <katya^> luc should totally quit animation/comics and get into PR
[18:22] <katya^> he has hyped that game so much
[18:22] <katya^> lol
[18:23] <Artifice> Nope, this search engine sucks. It doesn;t list me by name
[18:24] <fydo> i agree that cuil sucks
[18:24] <JustBurn> nothing can't beat Google :)
[18:24] <fydo> my website isn't even on the first 10 pages when you search for "fydo"
[18:25] <Artifice> When i put the url, no results found. My aching ass
[18:25] <crashovrd> it found Conkerjo 's emo xbox
[18:25] <crashovrd> http://www.360voice.com/tag/conkerjo
[18:26] <katya^> http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/
[18:26] <katya^> http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/
[18:26] <katya^> http://www.cacr.math.uwaterloo.ca/hac/
[18:26] <katya^> topic that
[18:26] <katya^> ;(
[18:27] <katya^> good book, even the sample chapters
[18:28] <Hypnotron> only terrorists have to hide stuff with crypto
[18:30] <katya^> crypto <3
[18:31] <Ghaleon> why would we topic a crypto book
[18:31] <Ghaleon> that'll only attract da juarez kiddiez
[18:32] <katya^> because crypto is important
[18:32] <katya^> im tired of the focus being all on physics/graphics apis and crap like that
[18:32] <katya^> who cares
[18:32] <katya^> ;(
[18:33] <katya^> graphics programming == not that interesting
[18:33] <katya^> physics, ok, give you that
[18:33] <katya^> but lets git sum crypto
[18:33] <katya^> :[
[18:33] <fydo> we need some GPU-assisted crypto for next-gen games!
[18:33] <fydo> )
[18:34] <JustBurn> Crypted polygons!
[18:34] <katya^> graphics == boring
[18:34] <katya^> crypto == interestint
[18:35] <katya^> are you going to design games for Quantum Computers when they hit the mainst
[18:35] <katya^> yes you are
[18:35] <katya^> ;(
[18:36] <fydo> quantum computers need to be entertained
[18:36] <fydo> ?
[18:38] <JustBurn> to make them happy, probably
[18:38] <JustBurn> :P
[18:38] <katya^> everyone should understand, at a minimum, unkeyed and keyed hashes, and some
[18:38] <JustBurn> so that everyone has ack. of how to crack them?
[18:39] <katya^> cracking "primitives" on their own isn't necessarily useful :p
[18:39] <katya^> but
[18:39] <katya^> yes, why not
[18:40] <JustBurn> yay for massive hackage \o/
[18:40] <JustBurn> you will never feel safe anymore
[18:40] <fydo> lol, if your only line of defense is a keyed hash, you've got bigger problems
[18:40] <katya^> there are more uses to cryptography besides encrypting messages
[18:42] <Ligeia> anyone using direct10?
[18:42] <Ligeia> directx10
[18:42] <Ligeia> with vista
[18:43] <crashovrd> hypothetically speaking that someone is, then what?
[18:43] <Ligeia> hehehe
[18:44] <fydo> yeah, I'm curious too
[18:44] <Ligeia> i was having a hard time equating stretchrect with 10
[18:45] <crashovrd> you mean from DirectDraw?
[18:45] <Ligeia> and, i wondered if you have a bunch of windows to render, one on top of anot
[18:45] <crashovrd> cuz thats not done anymore
[18:45] <Ligeia> yeah
[18:45] <Ligeia> i know
[18:45] <crashovrd> you draw a quad the size you want with a texture
[18:45] <crashovrd> no fuss
[18:45] <Ligeia> ok so i have a texture and vertex buffer
[18:45] <Ligeia> yeah
[18:45] <Ligeia> if i want to keep several in memory
[18:46] <crashovrd> there should be a Sprite helper lib for DirectX
[18:46] <crashovrd> DXSprite
[18:46] <Ligeia> yeah i saw that
[18:46] <crashovrd> or something like that
[18:46] <Ligeia> ok
[19:08] * [[cube3]] is now known as [cube3_]
[19:09] <Ghaleon> rise of the triad
[19:28] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[19:31] <crashovrd> if only realtime had those protective [ ], he would still be here today
[19:33] <Ghaleon> he could be if he ever rejoined
[19:33] <Ghaleon> ;D
[19:33] <Ghaleon> hey [Relic]
[19:33] <Ghaleon> [ ] are very protected
[19:34] <[Relic]> :)
[19:56] <Ghaleon> crashovrd: http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1827331,00.html
[19:56] <Ghaleon> huhu
[19:58] <crashovrd> i guess thats why it works so well for me
[19:58] <Hypnotron> well...
[19:58] <Hypnotron> its sort of besides the point (almost) if they can beat google
[19:58] <crashovrd> it hasnt fallen into the google assuptions yet
[19:58] <Hypnotron> they'll get bought out
[19:58] <Hypnotron> and cash in
[19:59] <crashovrd> yeah, i dont think they intended to beat google at launch
[19:59] <crashovrd> just like google didnt intent to beat yahoo at lanch
[20:01] <crashovrd> i was a yahoo until i saw the google main page didnt have loads of crap t
[20:01] <crashovrd> then i switched
[20:01] <katya^> NO!!
[20:01] <crashovrd> this one has a clean front page and is closer to what i am looking for so
[20:01] <crashovrd> so i will try this one out for a while and see
[20:02] <crashovrd> i have been looking for a google alternative for a long time
[20:02] <Ghaleon> rly?
[20:02] <crashovrd> yeah, ppl have figured out how to game google search
[20:02] <crashovrd> the results are useless most of the time for me
[20:04] <crashovrd> it got so bad i started clicking on the last number of the bar all the ti
[20:04] <crashovrd> and i can tell you THE NUMBER BAR IS A LIE
[20:04] <crashovrd> :)
[20:04] <crashovrd> there really arent as many results as it makes it appear
[20:05] <crashovrd> so 'the masses' can have google. i want data, not marketing
[20:09] <Ghaleon> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/07/29/funny-pictures-add-watur-run/
[20:11] <Ghaleon> the cuil results layout is teh sux
[20:12] <crashovrd> i will say this though, the name sux
[20:12] <crashovrd> i dont care for the layout either, but its the results that are primary c
[20:12] <crashovrd> they will probably add a 'dont use a sucky layout' option
[20:13] <fydo> cuil results is teh sux
[20:15] <Ghaleon> also, how muches gay pr0n was served
[20:17] <katya^> #gaydev
[20:28] <GFT> yeah fydo i checked that out
[20:28] <GFT> those results did suck
[20:55] <reppie> hello
[20:56] <reclusive> o hai
[20:58] <reppie> what up
[20:58] <katya^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmBfFqFH9EQ
[20:59] <reppie> hi kt
[21:02] <katya^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dq4oyUldMw oh god so wrong
[21:09] <Ghaleon> must be canadian
[21:09] <reppie> i'm feeling kinda strange
[21:10] <Ghaleon> calc reppie
[21:10] <Unnamed> reppie = We don't care about your dreams, your dumb questions, or 95% of th
[21:10] <reppie> i don't mind
[21:10] <reppie> i do mind feeling strange, though
[21:10] <katya^> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85KscRkrLaQ
[21:10] <katya^> 0,0
[21:11] <reppie> maybe i should go to bed early
[21:17] <crashovrd> "In a nut-shell, if you have an ATI or NVIDIA graphics card installed, ch
[21:17] <reppie> lol
[21:18] <Ghaleon> @_@
[21:20] <gencha> the semantics in .fx files, are the standardized? cause i have seen at least
[21:20] <gencha> and also some variations on matrix names
[21:21] <katya^> they are not standard
[21:21] <gencha> ugh
[21:21] <crashovrd> yes they are
[21:21] <katya^> they are not standard
[21:21] <crashovrd> the great thing about standards are there as so many to choose from
[21:21] <crashovrd> you probably want DXSAS
[21:22] <gencha> http://developer.nvidia.com/object/using_sas.html like at the end of this pa
[21:22] <Ziggy-> doh
[21:22] <crashovrd> "DirectX Standard Annotations and Semantics (DXSAS) "
[21:22] <gencha> i was just making sure ;P
[21:22] * crashovrd points katya^ to the word "STANDARD" in that
[21:22] <gencha> so what other standards are there?
[21:22] <katya^> yes
[21:23] <gencha> cause that is what i am using right now
[21:23] <katya^> they use the word standard
[21:23] <katya^> but there is only one vendor
[21:23] <katya^> and they don't even follow their own standard
[21:23] <katya^> it can't be truely considered a standard
[21:23] <gencha> indeed
[21:23] <crashovrd> *sigh*
[21:23] <Artifice> Oh well, EC sucks a bit according to destructoid.com
[21:23] <crashovrd> your mom is standard!
[21:24] <Hypnotron> Recommended Daily Allowance
[21:24] <gencha> so how can i dependably retrieve a handle to the diffuse map in a .fx file f
[21:24] <katya^> well
[21:24] <gencha> people can basically make the semantics up, and the names as well of course
[21:25] <katya^> you can probably use what is normally used
[21:25] <katya^> it isn't guaranteed to work safely forever
[21:25] <katya^> but since there's only one vendor, it should work safely on all implementati
[21:25] <katya^> provided they all use the same DX version and driver version
[21:25] <gencha> well i am currently only testing with shaders from the nvidia library and th
[21:25] <crashovrd> ugh
[21:26] <crashovrd> do you even know what your talking about
[21:26] <gencha> me?
[21:26] <crashovrd> DXSAS is independed of directx version
[21:26] <crashovrd> not u
[21:26] <crashovrd> if you dont know the answer to something, say "I dont know" dont make shi
[21:27] <katya^> as was already pointed out, Microsoft abandons their own standards
[21:27] <katya^> fairly frequently
[21:27] <katya^> you can't depend on it working with every version of directX
[21:27] <reppie> has anyone ever blown youlr mind
[21:28] <crashovrd> it has NOTHING to do with directx versions
[21:28] <reppie> it has to do with real computer science
[21:29] <katya^> crashovrd, I will guarantee you it will break within 6 years
[21:29] <katya^> just you wait
[21:29] <katya^> :p
[21:29] <katya^> unless they get it ISO'd and multiple vendors support it
[21:29] <crashovrd> let me try explaining it another way
[21:30] <crashovrd> THERE NOT A SINGLE LINE OF CODE RELATED TO DXSAS IN ANY VERSION OF DIRECT
[21:30] <crashovrd> because////
[21:30] <crashovrd> <crashovrd> it has NOTHING to do with directx versions
[21:31] <katya^> crashovrd, you are so silly
[21:31] <katya^> we are not talking about code
[21:31] <katya^> we are talking about microsoft breaking compatibility
[21:31] <katya^> it will happen
[21:31] <katya^> it happens _always_
[21:32] <gencha> i don't think directx cares about the semantics at all
[21:32] <reppie> you can run dos programs in win2k!
[21:32] <reppie> can't you
[21:32] <crashovrd> these are not the droids you want
[21:32] <gencha> because it doesn't need them to compile the shader anyway
[21:32] <gencha> they are just supposed to help build up an interface to the effect
[21:32] <crashovrd> gencha, exactly
[21:32] <crashovrd> dont listen to that crazy person who doesnt know what it is talking about
[21:33] <reppie> i'm not crazy
[21:33] <katya^> I think he meant me
[21:33] <reppie> i'm just sayin
[21:33] <katya^> however, you will watch compatibility break within a few years
[21:33] <gencha> so that still leaves me with the problem of how to retreive dependable handl
[21:33] <gencha> i can try my best with a few common semantics
[21:33] <crashovrd> gencha, exactly
[21:33] <reppie> i wish i was leet enough to write a 3d engine
[21:33] <crashovrd> that is what the standard is for
[21:34] <gencha> thanks crashovrd
[21:34] <crashovrd> you look for the signature of the standard
[21:34] <crashovrd> if that is there, then you can assume its compliant
[21:34] <crashovrd> if its not, all bets are off
[21:40] <katya^> reppie: it's pretty easy to write a 3D engine
[21:40] <katya^> it's harder to write a sw rendering 3D engine
[21:40] <katya^> none of it is particularly interesting though
[21:40] <crashovrd> Artifice, where is the review at? i dont see it
[21:41] <katya^> not enough to be considered 'leet' imo
[21:41] <reppie> i wrote a spinning cube for the gba once
[21:41] <reppie> but that's it
[21:44] <reppie> katya^ what would you consider leet then
[21:45] <katya^> hmm
[21:45] <katya^> 'leet' is a term reserved for crackers and pirates
[21:45] <katya^> :;p
[21:45] <katya^> but I think interesting game and software ideas deserve praise
[21:46] <katya^> the engine or backbone of software isn't that interesting though
[21:46] <katya^> well
[21:46] <katya^> not necessarily interesting
[21:46] <reppie> my work is pretty boring :(
[21:49] <reppie> maybe i need a new job
[21:51] <Ghaleon> katya^ has never worked on DS and it shows
[21:51] <Ghaleon> [21:40] <katya^> reppie: it's pretty easy to write a 3D engine
[21:51] <katya^> ghaleon, I think I was obviously referring to the PC
[21:51] <katya^> anyone can write a "3D engine" for the PC these days
[21:52] <Ghaleon> obvsly
[21:53] * Ghaleon continues werk on skreenshaver
[21:54] <katya^> software renderers are pretty impressive, as are actual underlying implement
[21:54] <reclusive> i just wrote a wild song
[21:54] <reppie> my cow-orkers don't believe me when i say the government creates viruses lik
[21:54] <katya^> and that extends to other hardware such as the ds
[21:54] <reclusive> i think im going to start a youtube channel
[21:55] <katya^> everyone knows the government created AIDS
[21:55] <katya^> its obvious reppie
[21:55] <katya^> lol
[21:55] * fydo high-fives Ghaleon
[21:56] * Ghaleon high kittahs fydo
[21:56] <Ghaleon> software renderin is super hawt
[21:56] <Ghaleon> I want to finish up mine sometime
[21:56] <fydo> it's true
[21:57] <Ghaleon> it was goin to try and mimick the DS in all aspects
[21:57] <katya^> ghaleon wrote a ds emulator!
[21:57] <Ghaleon> noj
[21:57] <katya^> why the fuck does xchat keep beeping
[21:58] <katya^> SHUT UP XCHAT
[21:58] <Ghaleon> I just wrote a framework that ran DS code in winders
[21:58] <Ghaleon> :O
[21:58] <Ghaleon> sum1 is havin deep internal conflicts
[21:58] <katya^> wtf its still beeping
[21:58] <katya^> piece of crap.
[21:58] <Ghaleon> xchat FTL
[21:59] <Ghaleon> a brazilian?
[23:05] <Nutter> hahaha... http://sbender.net/~scott/tshirt.jpg
[23:06] <katya^> linux programmers can afford food to get fat on now
[23:06] <Artifice> Linux users, on the other hand, were often fat already
[23:07] <katya^> linux doesn't have users :p
[23:07] <Artifice> Interesting theory
[23:08] <fydo> lol
[23:08] <fydo> you deny my existance?!
[23:09] <katya^> linux users are all programmers oto
[23:09] <katya^> too*
[23:09] <katya^> the ones that aren't, don't stay as users very long :p
[23:09] <Artifice> That's a good point.
[23:14] <Rangar> hmm, ya know.. i've just ditched a whole heap of Windows computers at a scho
[23:14] <fydo> awesome
[23:16] <Ghaleon> Rangar: you have doomed them all to fatness
[23:17] <Artifice> Not to mention, 9 - 13 is too young to be dying a virgin
[23:17] <Rangar> just wait until they wanna play a game ;)
[23:17] <Nutter> understandable.. I waited for 5 minutes today for some text to paste into an
[23:17] <Nutter> it was seriously went, got a coffee, came back, and it was still going
[23:17] <Ghaleon> copying is serious business
[23:18] <Nutter> apparently
[23:18] <Ghaleon> it had to make sure you weren't infringing the gpl
[23:18] <Artifice> Hahaha. Somebody should use that "vista blindfold" test of microsoft's, bu
[23:18] <Nutter> vista blindfold?
[23:18] <Ghaleon> yeh
[23:18] <Ghaleon> bunch of h8rz got pwnd
[23:19] <Artifice> Yeah, they slightly changed vista to trick people into thinking it was a t
[23:19] <Ghaleon> they didn't change it
[23:19] <crashovrd> cuil +1
[23:19] <Ghaleon> crashovrd -1
[23:19] <Artifice> They also haven't said what those users actually got to do.
[23:19] <crashovrd> the first link it found for an obscure issue was correct
[23:19] <Ghaleon> can't creat numbers without destroying them
[23:20] <Ghaleon> Artifice: this is tru, however... I think the point still stands
[23:20] <Artifice> Was "fuck MS" the point?
[23:20] <Ghaleon> the point was actually "stop h8n on smth you don't even know about"
[23:21] <Artifice> Would that be linux, or the non existent version of windows?
[23:21] * Ghaleon draws the lines for Artifice
[23:21] <Ghaleon> people were h8n on Vista without even trying it <- erase da h8
[23:21] <Artifice> They hadn't tried it? Ha
[23:21] <Ghaleon> stawp, communic8, 'n listen
[23:22] <Ghaleon> the group of people they tested was specifically people who did not like vi
[23:22] <Ghaleon> results showed the people had unfounded h8
[23:22] <Artifice> PLenty of well founded hate though
[23:23] <Ghaleon> such as: <crickets>
[23:23] <Artifice> Just because many people were repeating opinions from others doesn't mean
[23:23] <Artifice> UAC, poor performance, worse battery life, and the lies around DX10 are pl
[23:23] <Ghaleon> UAC is a good thing, embrace it
[23:23] <Ghaleon> Linux has UAC
[23:24] <Artifice> Good thing, when done well
[23:24] <Ghaleon> DX10 has no lies
[23:24] <Ghaleon> battery life is fine
[23:24] <Ghaleon> I get 4 hours
[23:24] <Artifice> When done to the point of pestering the user until clicking "allow" become
[23:24] <Ghaleon> I've never been "pestered" by it
[23:25] <Ghaleon> I've seen it when I didn't expect it, and the obvious answer is deny
[23:25] <Artifice> "Are you sure you meant to change the resolution?"
[23:25] <Nutter> Ghaleon has been brain washed
[23:25] <Ghaleon> how often do you do that....
[23:26] <Artifice> What really annoys me is that disabling the popups turns all the secuity c
[23:26] <Artifice> Ghaleon: Often enough
[23:26] <Ghaleon> it would be nice if there were sections to it.. and you could enable/disabl
[23:26] <Nutter> Artifice: I like that, as I really don't want any of that hand holding "secu
[23:26] <Ghaleon> but honestly, I almost never see it unexpectedly
[23:26] <Artifice> "Always yes to this particular question" would be plenty
[23:27] <Ghaleon> Always yes leads to trouble
[23:27] <Ghaleon> dare you to hit always yes to install from unknown publisher
[23:27] <Artifice> It ends up being the same thing when the user develops a reflex, or turns
[23:27] <Ghaleon> pebkac
[23:28] <Artifice> No, that's a hardwired problem with the human brain. We optimize repetitiv
[23:28] <Artifice> Like tying your shoes, or eating soup
[23:28] <crashovrd> "Super Anime Sex Game 3000" - This publisher can not be verified. Would y
[23:28] <crashovrd> YES!
[23:28] <Ghaleon> crashovrd: don't you mean always yes?
[23:29] <crashovrd> the user is always the weakest link
[23:29] <crashovrd> the prompting is mostly pointless for a n00b
[23:29] <Ghaleon> "this email wants me to install webdialer.trojan.exe... alrighty!"
[23:29] <baaba> np1
[23:29] <baaba> !
[23:31] <Ghaleon> Artifice: you have a CRT, I forgot... it's pointless to change res on LCD,
[23:32] <Artifice> I had to do it several times today thanks to a game screwing up and lockin
[23:32] <Artifice> That was unusual though.
[23:33] <Ghaleon> hehe
[23:33] <Ghaleon> that used to be an issue with games that would crash that set the res on th
[23:34] <Artifice> Uhg, I remember that.
[23:34] <Ghaleon> D3D recovers from it, I think... ddraw not so much
[23:34] <Ghaleon> or something
[23:34] <Artifice> This one actively locked me out of the normal resolution though, I had to
[23:35] <Artifice> You'd think software and hardware would have progressed to the point where
[23:36] <Ghaleon> what used to take time for my stuff was loading before showing anything
[23:36] <Ghaleon> instead of loading a logo or something to show and then loading the rest
[23:36] <Artifice> I load stuff while the logos are showing :P
[23:37] <Artifice> But I mean for situations like alt-tabbing out
[23:37] <Ghaleon> the video card has to switch contexts
[23:38] <Artifice> And I'd give up 1-2% of performance overall if it did it instantly
[23:38] <Ghaleon> you'd be giving up more than that
[23:38] <Artifice> Fail
[23:38] <Ghaleon> you're talking about running the desktop all the time even while something
[23:39] <Artifice> No jetpacks, no moon base, I should at least have instant video hardware s
[23:39] <Artifice> It can't be that hard to dedicate nothing to the desktop except some memor
[23:39] <Ghaleon> gotta do more than that
[23:39] <Ghaleon> you have to process all the windows
[23:40] <Artifice> Why?
[23:40] <Ghaleon> otherwise they'll need to be redrawn and that takes time
[23:40] <Artifice> Windows don't get redrawn if they're following the rules and are covered u
[23:40] <Artifice> And I'm not saying don't switch contexts, I'm saying do it faster
[23:41] <Ghaleon> yes but when you alt+tab they all redraw their visible parts
[23:41] <fydo> there is a way to grab the current screen res and use that for your fullscren
[23:41] <Artifice> That'
[23:41] <fydo> but thats because no resolution change takes place
[23:41] <Artifice> That's what I do by default, it is faster
[23:41] <Ghaleon> fydo: that's what I do... it's more friendly
[23:41] <Artifice> BUt I can't run most games at 1600x1200
[23:41] <fydo> a fun effect is to screenshot the current screen and fade to black
[23:41] <fydo> whee
[23:42] <Ghaleon> fydo: or to not accept clicks and make the user wonder what's happening
[23:42] <Ghaleon> ;D
[23:42] <fydo> Ghaleon: haha
[23:42] <Artifice> I like the fading idea
[23:42] <fydo> Artifice: I think a lot of Steam/Valve stuff uses that idea
[23:43] <Ghaleon> hdc hdcScreen = GetDC(NULL);
[23:43] <katya^> YOURE MAKING MY CLIENT BEEP STOP
[23:43] <katya^> :(
[23:44] <Artifice> How'd he do that?
[23:44] <Nutter> you get alerted at any windows code? :P
[23:44] <katya^> xchat is going insane
[23:44] <katya^> beeping madly
[23:44] <katya^> ;-;
[23:44] <katya^> i must have toggled something but i dunno what
[23:44] <katya^> sounds are off
[23:44] * Artifice pokes the animal
[23:44] <katya^> -_-
[23:44] <Nutter> ;;;;;;;;
[23:44] <Ghaleon> wows, Oracle just got pwnt
[23:44] <fydo> lol
[23:45] <Artifice> Um. Which oracle?
[23:45] <Ghaleon> DB
[23:45] <Artifice> DC?
[23:45] <Artifice> Oh, not a typo
[23:45] <Ghaleon> remote exection xploit
[23:45] <Ghaleon> execution
[23:45] <katya^> prowned~!
[23:46] <Artifice> I wonder what the biggest CRT you can still get is
[23:46] <Ghaleon> prawned! enjoy yer seafood
[23:48] <Ghaleon> newegg only has 1 21" CRT
[23:48] <katya^> a kid i knew had a massive crt
[23:48] <katya^> television
[23:49] <Ghaleon> I used to have 2 21" CRTs in my office
[23:49] <katya^> it was like
[23:49] <Nutter> I remember old photos of Carmack with a HUUUUGE CRT
[23:49] <katya^> the size of a wall
[23:49] <Ghaleon> :O
[23:49] <katya^> also my old apple crts
[23:49] <katya^> were big
[23:49] <Artifice> I have a 21" CRT. I'd like to get a bigger one
[23:49] <Artifice> I'll probably go for 1 CRT and 2 LCDs
[23:50] <Artifice> Assuming EC doesn't suck entirely, of course
[23:51] <Ghaleon> at least it's not on the MMORPG chart
[23:51] <Artifice> It got a bad review from destructoid.com though. Yet wiiwareworld liked it
[23:51] <Nutter> http://www.lesmiskin.co.nz/lmd/blog/images/carmack/vlcsnap-183299.jpg
[23:52] <Artifice> Goddamnit, how'd you get that picture of me?
[23:52] <fydo> haha, awesome
[23:53] <Ghaleon> man, CRT's waste so much space
[23:53] <kozmonaut> i got a few write ups on my mmos
[23:53] <kozmonaut> but i forget all the links
[23:53] <Artifice> Space only matters if you're in a small office, or at a counter
[23:53] <kozmonaut> people just randomly email me saying they wrote a review or article and i
[23:54] <katya^> I think CRTs generally use more power
[23:54] <katya^> but I could be wrong
[23:54] <Ghaleon> supposedly yea
[23:54] <fydo> katya^: yes, that is true
[23:54] <katya^> they definitely give a better picture however
[23:54] <fydo> also CRTs are not very good for your eyes
[23:55] <JudgeFMJ> they can never use as much power as the voidstar wields in the tip of it's
[23:55] <fydo> you're essentially staring into a lightbulb
[23:55] <Ghaleon> CRTs also shoot cancer beams in your eyes
[23:55] <kozmonaut> just wire up your vid card to a 42 inch hdtv like i do now
[23:55] <Artifice> They're perfectly fine for your eyes at high refresh rates
[23:55] <Ghaleon> no Arti, even then it's bad
[23:55] <Artifice> fydo: What exactly do you think generates the light in an LCD screen?
[23:55] <katya^> you're staring into 1650x1050 tiny lightbulbs on an LCD too
[23:55] <Artifice> No, just one lightbulb, katya
[23:56] <fydo> Artifice: gnomes
[23:56] <Artifice> Or light panel
[23:56] <Artifice> LCD screens work by blocking light, not creating bright pixels
[23:56] <crashovrd> ur mom works by blocking light
[23:56] <JudgeFMJ> i have an interview tommorow, i wonder how it will go
[23:56] <Nutter> yeah, an LCD is basically a big flourescent light... not good either
[23:56] <Ghaleon> don't forgot CRTs shoot photons at you
[23:56] <Artifice> Photons? Oh no
[23:57] <Nutter> zomg PHOTONS?!
[23:57] <Ghaleon> crashovrd: dat iz tru, she is not paper thin
[23:57] * Ghaleon attaqz with photons
[23:57] <Nutter> JudgeFMJ: just turn every question they ask of you into a question of the co
[23:58] <Ghaleon> Artifice: get a projector and clear out a wall
[23:58] <Artifice> Also a possibility
[23:58] <Artifice> BUt they don't come in the resolutions I like
[23:59] <Nutter> well that's basically the same as early HDR monitors ;)
[23:59] * GFT loves his new laptop
[23:59] <JudgeFMJ> what is it
Session Close: Wed Jul 30 00:00:00 2008