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Session Start: Fri Feb 01 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[03:38] <Nqkoi^_^> hello people
[03:39] <Nqkoi^_^> anyone dealing with audio for games ?
[03:39] <honkykong> hmm not too much right now
[03:39] <honkykong> what kinda platform?
[03:39] <honkykong> decept404 is doing some kinda neato audio stuff in flash
[03:41] <Nqkoi^_^> hmm I asked in princip
[03:41] <honkykong> whats your question?
[03:42] <Nqkoi^_^> as I am musician and sound engineer ... how do I start a career as audio p
[03:42] <Nqkoi^_^> I have no idea about programing codes and I don't know where to start.
[03:42] <honkykong> why would you want to do audio programming then?
[03:43] <honkykong> its highly technical
[03:43] <gencha> indeed
[03:43] <honkykong> and largely unrelated to the process of engineering sound
[03:43] <Nqkoi^_^> Can anybody recomend what way to take to reach this knowledge?
[03:43] <honkykong> it'd be like a 3d modeller wanting to make a game engine. Sounds good but
[03:44] <Nqkoi^_^> I have read about some middleware that is close to audio software I am exp
[03:44] <honkykong> well what kind of programming background do you have?
[03:44] <Nqkoi^_^> you mean programming languages ?
[03:44] <Nqkoi^_^> not at all. I tried C++ once but left it after .... 50 pages
[03:45] <honkykong> then maybe i dont understand
[03:45] <honkykong> wehn you say 'program audio'
[03:45] <honkykong> what exactly are you referring to
[03:45] <Nqkoi^_^> ok. sorry if I ask not so clear
[03:46] <honkykong> its ok i just think maybe theres a language barrier
[03:46] <honkykong> try your question again and i'll try to answer
[03:46] <Nqkoi^_^> some companies reffer to audio programming as ... midi sequencing or somet
[03:46] <honkykong> ah ok
[03:46] <honkykong> so you want to make music and sound effects for games?
[03:47] <honkykong> you do not want to be the person that programs the audio abilities into t
[03:47] <Nqkoi^_^> but most of them reffer to it as coding in some programming language
[03:47] <honkykong> are you sure?
[03:47] <Nqkoi^_^> yep
[03:48] <honkykong> cause when i here coding, especially in terms of a language, i'm thinking
[03:48] <honkykong> that person would not be the one to actually specify what that sound is,
[03:48] <honkykong> one job is much more technical than the other
[03:48] <honkykong> ok well
[03:48] <Nqkoi^_^> of course
[03:48] <honkykong> i think i understand the question
[03:49] <honkykong> i can not give you an authoritative answer
[03:49] <honkykong> but i will suggest the following
[03:49] <honkykong> produce a demo
[03:49] <Nqkoi^_^> but that is why i said that insetead of programming code ... some companie
[03:49] <honkykong> several atmospheric ambient tracks that would be good as background music
[03:49] <honkykong> one or more collections of related audio clips that would be used in some
[03:49] <honkykong> for example, the sound effects that would go with a racing game
[03:49] <honkykong> or a sports game
[03:50] <honkykong> as a demonstration of your abilities
[03:50] <honkykong> aditionaly you could try the following
[03:50] <honkykong> find a game project to work on
[03:50] <honkykong> theres lots and lots of them out there
[03:50] <honkykong> they all need artists of one sort or another
[03:50] <honkykong> offer your services for free
[03:51] <honkykong> but be choosey about which projects you donate to. you want to pick one t
[03:51] <honkykong> also make a website that makes it as easy as possible for people to revie
[03:51] <honkykong> this will make it easier for word-of-mouth to help promote you
[03:52] <Nqkoi^_^> huh, that is new to me but sounds interesting
[03:53] <Nqkoi^_^> I thought the companies use libraries of sound FX
[03:53] <honkykong> i have a few minor flash games i'm working on that could use sound effect
[03:53] <honkykong> they would be of limited use for your portfolio i would imagine
[03:54] <honkykong> but if you fail to find projects that catch your eye, let me know and i c
[03:54] <honkykong> i can not pay, right now, so this is not a request for paying work
[03:54] <honkykong> most projects you might get on, at first, will not pay btw
[03:54] <Nqkoi^_^> I do not expect to be paid for something I never did before :)
[03:55] <Nqkoi^_^> what do you do exactly ?
[03:55] <Nqkoi^_^> are you a programmer ?
[03:56] <honkykong> yes also an artist
[03:56] <honkykong> mostly a programmer tho
[03:56] <honkykong> one second i'll update my flash so you can see the type of thing i'm desc
[03:56] <Nqkoi^_^> ok
[03:57] <honkykong> they're really more like bar games, the kind of thing you could play in a
[03:57] <Nqkoi^_^> like ... in ICQ for example ?
[03:57] <Nqkoi^_^> these small funny games ?
[03:58] <honkykong> http://bokz.net/flash/schat.swf
[03:58] <honkykong> right yes very similar idea
[03:59] <honkykong> but all in flash, and embeddable into peoples myspace/facebook profiles
[03:59] <Nqkoi^_^> ahha - got it
[03:59] <honkykong> so it'd be like a mini-irc with games
[04:00] <honkykong> some games i have planned for future development with this codebase arent
[04:00] <honkykong> but for now its stuff like checkers, pool, darts... soon i'll start on sc
[04:12] <Daveman> ^_~
[06:34] <Cote-Duke> hi
[08:14] * ZorbaBeta is now known as ZorbaTHut
[08:46] <Astaroth_> http://www.agame.com/game/Uphill-Rush.html kickstart!
[09:29] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[09:45] <Cote-Duke> It's too quiet in here. :)
[09:45] * _kw SUDDENLY JUMPS OUT OF THE SHADOWS AND STARTS BITING THROUGH Cote-Duke's NECK
[09:46] * Cote-Duke *aaa* screams in agony
[09:48] <_kw> we should make horror movies
[09:48] <_kw> it's so easy :)
[09:49] <Cote-Duke> Yep, pure Hollywood.
[09:50] <_kw> I'm sure there's someone in here that could whip up some special effects :P
[10:00] <[Relic]> :)
[10:06] <Sonistar> well im attempting to learn adobe after effects :)
[10:06] * Sonistar ducks
[10:14] <FMJaguar> ?
[10:14] <FMJaguar> i use AE
[10:16] <Epoch`_> try #aftereffects... Not a bad chan at all
[10:36] * SmilybOrg is now known as SmilyOrg
[11:02] <eTrece> http://www.xkcd.com/378/
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[11:05] * Attempting to rejoin channel #gamedev
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[11:19] * savag1 is now known as randelPRO
[12:19] * _NousAFK_ is now known as _Nous_
[12:44] <Sonistar> http://www.sonistar.co.uk/random/test.png
[12:44] <Sonistar> who does everyone think this guy is?
[12:45] <Sonistar> related to Xbox
[13:13] * aav_hlm2 is now known as aav_hlm
[14:35] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[14:35] <Chuck`_> hey [Relic]
[14:35] <Chuck`_> do you happen to know anything about GLSL?
[14:35] <[Relic]> what is GLSL? :)
[14:35] <Chuck`_> haha
[14:36] <Chuck`_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSN-p6ReozI
[14:36] <Chuck`_> check that out
[14:36] <eTrece> opengl shading language
[14:36] <Chuck`_> i'm having some issues with it
[14:58] <Daveman> :p
[14:58] <flashed> hi
[14:58] <PitDroid> bonjour, flashed
[15:39] <chai> lo
[15:58] <q2on> anyone ever notice how more game-related development talk occurs in #c++ than
[15:59] <_kw> haha, I was just thinking that
[15:59] <_kw> :P
[15:59] <q2on> since Ghaleon isn't here to ban me, I'm going to suggest it's because he dumbs
[15:59] <q2on> it's annoying as hell
[16:00] <_kw> I was reading my screen for a bit, and thought it was #gamedev
[16:00] <q2on> anyway
[16:01] <_kw> I dunno, I wouldn't blame it on a specific person really, it's just that no one
[16:01] <q2on> yeah I don't know what to call it, but everyone starts doing it and he seems t
[16:02] <q2on> could be that no one has anything productive to say
[16:27] <_kw> :P
[16:42] <Sonistar> hey all
[16:42] <[Relic]> :)
[17:54] <chai> q2on, a lot of people in the game industry seem to have a lot of pointless chi
[17:54] <chai> it's all over the place :)
[18:00] <Sonistar> hehe
[18:24] <honkykong> man this could be the beginning of the end for microsoft
[18:24] <honkykong> who the hell is running the show over there anymore
[18:25] <honkykong> vista: DOA
[18:25] <honkykong> DX10: married to vista so also DOA
[18:25] <honkykong> now they're using up their money buying yahoo?
[18:25] <honkykong> who the fuck uses y ahoo anymore anyways
[18:26] <honkykong> wtf's a yahoo and how is it ever supposed to make back the many billions
[18:26] <honkykong> nix has a golden opportunity coming up
[18:27] <honkykong> to stab ms in the eye to death
[18:27] <_kw> I'd more suspect mac to do that tbh
[18:27] <honkykong> that aint gonna happen tho
[18:27] <honkykong> mac has its target market and its not broad
[18:27] <_kw> neither is nix probably :P
[18:27] <_kw> heh, I think you're mistaken there :)
[18:27] <_kw> that was true 5 years ago
[18:27] <honkykong> the moment mac goes broadbase they lose their primary target audience
[18:28] <honkykong> they cant go cheap so they'll always be elitist
[18:28] <honkykong> they gotta stick with what works for them, i'm sure they know that
[18:28] <_kw> they're not aiming at the 'artsy gfx designer' now, they're going for the "i ju
[18:28] <honkykong> if they branch out its into shit like ipods and iphones
[18:29] <honkykong> still elitest overpriced bullshit tho
[18:29] <honkykong> people that priceshop dont even consider macs
[18:29] <honkykong> for mac to capture that market share they'd have to go cutrate
[18:29] <honkykong> and it'd totally fuck up their other business models
[18:30] <_kw> the mom and dad market doesn't really care too much about the exact price thoug
[18:30] <honkykong> no if mac does any sorta powermove it'll be witha combination phone/pda/s
[18:30] <_kw> if they think it costs XXX cash to have a computer, then they'll deal with it a
[18:30] <honkykong> sure but thats not broadbase
[18:30] <honkykong> thats still elitest
[18:30] <_kw> um
[18:30] <_kw> that's a HUGE part of the market
[18:30] <honkykong> thats 15% tops
[18:30] <_kw> aha
[18:30] <honkykong> absolute tops
[18:30] <_kw> you have to be kidding me
[18:31] <honkykong> i am not
[18:31] <_kw> working parents that buy computers are 15% of the market?
[18:31] <_kw> nigga please ;P
[18:31] <honkykong> business and government > 70% of the market
[18:31] <honkykong> both are very very frugal
[18:31] <honkykong> gov wont be buying macs any time soon
[18:31] <honkykong> and most business wont either
[18:32] <honkykong> and not every parent can afford to spend three times what a computer is w
[18:32] <_kw> yeah, I was talking about the consumer market
[18:32] <_kw> hence the misunderstanding
[18:32] <honkykong> lol well why not just talk about the emo elitest i-am-better-than-you mar
[18:32] <honkykong> lol
[18:32] <honkykong> macs
[18:32] <_kw> dude
[18:32] <honkykong> lol
[18:32] <_kw> you're turning into a troll
[18:33] <_kw> try to sound like a grownup at least
[18:33] <honkykong> lol
[18:33] <_kw> right.
[18:33] <honkykong> k whatever
[18:33] <honkykong> 1 mac = 3 other laptops
[18:33] <honkykong> and i'm trollin :P
[18:34] <honkykong> you're the one saying they're prepared to take the market from MS
[18:34] <honkykong> they dont even make software
[18:34] <honkykong> ms doesnt even make computers
[18:34] <honkykong> whos trolling :P
[18:34] <honkykong> lol
[18:34] <honkykong> this is why macheads are fucking retarded
[18:34] <honkykong> right here
[18:35] <honkykong> actually laughing out loud here man
[18:35] <honkykong> thanks
[18:35] <_kw> because of the guy going 'lol' every other line standing next to them?
[18:35] <honkykong> good chuckle
[18:35] <_kw> jesus
[18:35] <honkykong> well you're cracking me up man
[18:35] <honkykong> what can i say this shit is funny
[18:35] <_kw> maybe you should smoke less weed
[18:35] <honkykong> maybe i should smoke more hell i dunno
[18:35] <honkykong> been 2 months now since i had any at all
[18:36] <honkykong> :(
[18:36] <honkykong> its a bitch trying to get a job in EMS
[18:36] <_kw> well, whatever.. you just keep typing 'lol' and call me an 'emo elitist', Im go
[18:36] <honkykong> translation: fap to furry pron
[18:37] <_kw> q2on - think I found another problem with the channel btw ;-)
[18:37] <honkykong> what, people that dont agree with you?
[18:37] <honkykong> or people calling you out for talking out your ass like you know somethin
[18:37] <_kw> I wasn't talking to you
[18:37] <honkykong> cause you better get used to both
[18:38] <honkykong> no you were talking about me
[18:38] <honkykong> so you're gonna get a response from me
[18:38] <_kw> no, i just get insults every line.. so I stopped talking TO you
[18:38] <_kw> I was attempting to have a conversation, but I guess that's way over your head
[18:38] <honkykong> lol yeah cry for me emo
[18:38] <_kw> urgh, whatever
[18:39] <honkykong> no you were trying to tell me how mac's gonna take over the software mark
[18:39] <honkykong> go jerk off to adobe's logo
[18:48] <Daveman> EXPLOSION!
[18:48] <Daveman> dude
[18:48] <Daveman> if you're going to do that, you may as well jack-off to hk's stupid flash g
[18:48] <Daveman> since, it is, essentially, the same thing. :p
[18:51] <honkykong> :P
[18:52] <honkykong> oh yah lil square thing
[18:52] <honkykong> shoot those lil boxs
[18:52] <honkykong> fapfapfapfap
[18:52] <honkykong> ok so wtf
[18:52] <honkykong> Brandt said Arnold later told police it never would have happened had she
[18:52] <honkykong> "never would have happened had she not gotten so drunk"
[18:52] <honkykong> and pot is illegal.
[18:53] <honkykong> when was the last time you heard of a pothead microwaving their fucking b
[18:53] <honkykong> some dipshit in uk tried to walk, half naked, to his sisters house with h
[18:54] <honkykong> didnt make it half way across the hill before he blacked out, fucked up d
[18:54] <honkykong> 5 hours later he arrived at a nearby neighbors house with severe frostbit
[18:54] <Daveman> :p
[18:54] <honkykong> 8 hours later he asked about his kids
[18:54] <honkykong> and yet... pot is illegal, but alchohol is sold on every street corner
[18:55] <honkykong> last month some asshole drove 3 miles the wrong way down a highway, drunk
[18:55] <honkykong> killed 5 of them
[18:55] <honkykong> he was fine
[18:56] <honkykong> sprained ankle
[19:39] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[20:01] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[23:23] <microcosm> lo komradez
[23:23] * kaotrix is now known as Ghaleon
[23:23] <Ghaleon> lol
[23:23] <Ghaleon> yo momma
[23:23] <Ghaleon> hax0r
[23:23] <Ghaleon> lol buttsecks??
[23:23] * Ghaleon is now known as kaotrix
[23:23] <kaotrix> Alright, today I'll make an attempt to get back at gamedev.
[23:23] <microcosm> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/23326/1083/699/446791
[23:23] <microcosm> montel = hero
[23:23] <kaotrix> I won't touch OpenGL....ever again
[23:24] <kaotrix> your page froze Opera
[23:24] <microcosm> heh
[23:25] <microcosm> r u gonna dev in that newfangled xna thing that's so wildly popular these
[23:26] <kaotrix> nah
[23:26] <kaotrix> Can't picture myself coding a game in c#
[23:29] <kaotrix> microcosm: Nice link man
Session Close: Sat Feb 02 00:00:00 2008