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Session Start: Wed Jan 30 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[00:16] <Rangar> kaotrix: ok, i'll bite.. why that png?
[00:17] <Rangar> oh, duh.. ok, another scam
[00:17] <Rangar> man, you'd have to be a right dill bill to fall for that one
[00:17] <Rangar> so Kaotrix, when do you expect your refund? ;)
[00:17] * Rangar ducks
[00:17] <sort> sweet, dont have to file anything
[00:18] <sort> now i have ur moneys!!
[00:18] <Rangar> actually, I knew the US was big on outsourcing, but I didnt realize it had g
[00:30] <echelon3> ROFL at the link address
[00:30] <echelon3> ROFL
[00:30] <echelon3> typos and incorrect use of commas
[00:30] <echelon3> well
[00:30] <echelon3> absence of commas
[02:46] * [1]baaba is now known as baaba
[03:00] <aav> http://davidnessle.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/jesus-ar-ljuset.jpg
[03:01] <honkykong> lol yah thats classic
[03:02] <honkykong> love it
[03:02] <honkykong> hey anyone here use a mac?
[03:02] <honkykong> i promise i wont make fun of you for admitting it
[03:03] <vhsod> No
[03:04] <honkykong> good cause i would have totally made fun of you for it
[03:05] <vhsod> I used a mac in the past
[03:07] <aav> honkykong, i have a mac
[03:36] <honkykong> aav, mind testing something for me?
[03:36] <honkykong> http://bokz.net/flash/schat.swf
[03:36] <honkykong> basically ehres the problem
[03:37] <honkykong> if you start a game, whiteboard, connect4, or checkers, then resize that
[03:37] <honkykong> but if you've recieved a message already, it resizes normally
[03:37] <honkykong> i'm trying to fix that and i think i may have
[03:37] <honkykong> mind starting a new game of some sort and trying to resize the window?
[03:37] <honkykong> not the main window but the inner game subwindow
[03:50] <aav> sorry honkykong, can't tes tuntil tomorrow
[03:50] <aav> i dont have my mac here :P
[03:50] <aav> but i'll test it then for you
[03:51] <vhsod> so
[03:51] <aav> just remind me
[03:51] <vhsod> is it a bad thing that I have an xml file that takes like a minute to load as
[03:52] <vhsod> something is not working here hmm
[03:53] <vhsod> oh I seee
[03:55] <aav> a minute? :P
[03:56] <vhsod> how do I make this work
[03:58] <vhsod> blah
[03:59] <vhsod> I can't figure it out
[04:03] <vhsod> oh god its gotten worse
[04:57] <ddh> vhsod i hope your vd gets better xoxo
[04:58] * vhsod gives ddh cyberherpes
[04:59] <aav> MMOVD
[04:59] <vhsod> you know its bad when the only solution is a 2d array
[05:01] <aav> of 2d arrays
[05:01] <vhsod> ho crap
[05:01] <vhsod> no
[05:02] <microcosm> http://www.break.com/index/grandma-and-grandpa-decide-to-ghost-ride.html
[05:06] <chelo> anyone hear about corey delaney/corey worthington ?
[05:06] <microcosm> ?
[05:07] <chelo> loll
[05:16] <microcosm> im tired of hearing about faulty voting machines & methods. why hasn't t
[05:22] <honkykong> someone should tell vhsod about python lists
[05:23] <honkykong> people using them in place of xml more and more
[05:23] <honkykong> lists/dictionarys... in a flat file, they load up quick and are already p
[06:15] * _Nous_ is now known as _NousAFK_
[07:05] <Sonistar> hey all
[08:11] <_kw> anyone used/know project darkstar, by Sun?
[09:44] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[09:44] <einride> Why hello there Mr. [Relic]. Perhaps you should've knocked first.
[09:45] <[Relic]> :)
[09:45] <einride> hehe
[09:45] <[Relic]> so easy to train you people :)
[09:45] * einride has been conditioned
[09:47] <FMJaguar> HAI
[09:53] <[Relic]> :)
[10:07] <Daveman> :)
[11:04] <Ultyma> mmm
[11:05] * Disconnected
[11:05] * Attempting to rejoin channel #gamedev
[11:05] * Rejoined channel #gamedev
[11:14] <[Relic]> :)
[11:15] <Ultyma> im stuck.. I want to buy a new pc
[11:15] <[Relic]> buy one :)
[11:15] <[Relic]> or buy the guts and save a bit :)
[11:15] <Ultyma> well im gonna buy the guys
[11:15] <Ultyma> guts*
[11:15] <Ultyma> I always build my own pcs
[11:15] <[Relic]> so whats the problem :)
[11:16] <[Relic]> e8400 at 4G or a q6600 at 3G cooling requirements? :)
[11:16] <Ultyma> :D
[11:16] <Ultyma> ya
[11:16] <Ultyma> i dont think I want the Q6600, but I was looking at the new quad's coming ou
[11:17] <[Relic]> q6600 is basic tried and stable :)
[11:18] <Ultyma> but E8400 = uber
[11:18] <Ultyma> and its newer.. on the new 45nm
[11:19] <[Relic]> but if you have mutliple threads isn't 4 better than 2?
[11:19] <Ultyma> in theory
[11:19] <Ultyma> but alot of stuff doesnt even take advantage of quad core yet
[11:20] <[Relic]> or multi core
[11:20] <aav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl's_law
[11:20] <Ultyma> im using an AMD Athlon X2 3800
[11:20] <Ultyma> its so slow
[11:21] <FMJaguar> P4 1.8!
[11:21] <FMJaguar> go go go
[11:23] <[Relic]> then go with the e8400 and a decent MB that will let you get the next gen q
[11:24] <[Relic]> I am trying for the q6600 since blender uses cpu to render yet :)
[11:24] <Ultyma> yeah, thats what I was thinking
[11:24] <[Relic]> or wait a couple months and get the new gen quads :)
[11:25] <[Relic]> I am on a sempron 3400+ so a dual core will be a good step up :)
[11:31] <[Relic]> Ultyma, ever look at.... http://www.cpubenchmark.net/ or http://www
[11:33] <[Relic]> the toms one show how much threading can help, and how few program actually
[12:19] <Ultyma> is the 8800GT a good card?
[12:30] <[Relic]> don't want SE/LE/GS
[12:31] <[Relic]> er GTS
[13:13] <Thoys> Slow Edition/Low Edition/Graphics Shit?
[13:26] <Ultyma> lol
[13:26] <Ultyma> ya ive read the GT is the best
[13:26] <Ultyma> like 95% of the GTX's power
[13:26] <Ultyma> ffor $100 less
[13:29] <_Astaroth> sounds like second best to me :)
[13:29] <Ultyma> nah
[13:29] <Ultyma> :D
[13:29] <Thoys> if you think about money it isnt
[13:29] <Thoys> ;d
[13:32] <eTrece> http://www.digitalrailroad.net/westlight/gps.aspx?pid=13476783&aid=1
[13:32] <eTrece> that polar bear got owned
[13:36] <_Astaroth> looks like they're both smiling
[13:36] <Thoys> one is laughing about himself
[13:36] <_Astaroth> maybe he actually got lucky ;)
[13:36] <Thoys> maybe its a male and female
[13:37] <_Astaroth> exactly
[13:37] <eTrece> hrmm, polar hand job
[13:37] <Thoys> ice cold baby
[13:37] <[Relic]> SE and LE usually have a small amount of ram and can take system ram too
[13:40] <wkr4k4r> system ram
[13:40] <wkr4k4r> aka arpeture?
[13:40] <wkr4k4r> a new name for shared memory?
[13:40] <wkr4k4r> hehe
[13:40] <wkr4k4r> turboram!
[13:40] <aav> it's sysmem-backed vram
[13:40] <aav> automatic paging
[13:40] <aav> aka the suck
[13:41] <wkr4k4r> how is that different than agp arpeture size?
[13:41] <wkr4k4r> heh
[13:41] <aav> agp aperture is something else entirely
[13:41] <aav> not the same level of abstraction :P
[13:41] <wkr4k4r> ok
[13:41] <wkr4k4r> i see
[13:42] <_Astaroth> hey aav, how's it going?
[13:42] <aav> hia _Astaroth
[13:42] <aav> coding and stuff
[13:43] <_Astaroth> lucky you.. I'm stuck with ASP.NET :(
[13:43] <[Relic]> they end up advertising them as 512M 128M onboard
[13:43] <_Astaroth> I dont even consider it coding, hehe
[13:55] <_Astaroth> http://xkcd.com/166/ ^^
[13:56] <LaRssA> http://kotaku.com/350536/mmo-strategy-for-your-cell-phone
[13:57] <ht7z> gawd
[14:24] * _NousAFK_ is now known as _Nous_
[15:46] <Anddos> i wish there was more sites explaining collision
[16:09] <Anddos> i need help with sphere and collision tests
[16:09] <Anddos> you find the radius right
[16:10] <Anddos> from the center of the mesh to the furthest away vertices of the mesh
[16:26] <Anddos> anyone here
[16:26] <Daveman> HONKDONG
[16:26] <Daveman> honkydongs
[16:26] <Daveman> COME FORTH
[16:26] <Anddos> ok i have 2 mesh's
[16:27] <Anddos> both have D3DXComputerBoundingSphere
[16:27] <Anddos> so i get both center points and add raduis 1 and radius 2 together
[16:27] <Anddos> then thats the distance if its colliding?
[16:31] <_Butcher_> yes
[16:31] <_Butcher_> spheres are really easy
[16:32] <_Butcher_> dist <= r1+r2 and you're colliding
[16:32] <Anddos> yes :D
[16:32] <_Butcher_> the downside is that spheres are a pretty lame fit for most objects :p
[16:32] <Anddos> sometimes the mesh is going to be a wierd shape and there will be a big gap
[16:32] <Anddos> yes
[16:32] <Anddos> but i am just learning
[16:33] <Anddos> for starters :D
[16:33] <_Butcher_> a weird shape like long and thin :p
[16:33] <_Butcher_> boxes generally work out as a better fit
[16:33] <_Butcher_> obbs in particular
[16:33] <Anddos> i just want to make 2 objects collide and make something happen :D
[16:34] <Anddos> why is isnt there a ComputerOblong
[16:34] <Anddos> because 1 side of the mesh could have the right raduis
[16:34] <Anddos> and the other just be nothing
[16:35] <_Butcher_> D3DXComputeBoundingBox
[16:35] <Anddos> and like when it collides it will be invisable
[16:35] <violator> who needs any other game than pacman anyways?
[16:35] <[Relic]> ms pacman? :)
[16:35] <violator> that too :)
[16:35] <[Relic]> opentyrian :)
[16:35] <Daveman> :)
[16:36] <Anddos> are most games done with spheres then or is that lame?
[16:36] <wkr4k4r> not anymore
[16:36] <wkr4k4r> thats considered lame now
[16:36] <wkr4k4r> for most things
[16:36] <Anddos> but ok for me to start with?
[16:36] <wkr4k4r> yea
[16:36] <_Butcher_> games were never done with spheres really :p
[16:36] <_Butcher_> boxes are about as fast and more useful
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> yea
[16:37] <_kw> it's nice and easy to start though
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> boxes
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> lol
[16:37] <_kw> you can always make it more complex later
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> do it good now
[16:37] <Anddos> do boxes work from center to point?
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> dont fuck around
[16:37] <wkr4k4r> heh
[16:37] <_Butcher_> heirarchical collision is your friend ;)
[16:37] <_kw> that's stupid
[16:37] <_kw> if you take that philosophy in all areas you'll get nowhere
[16:38] <_Butcher_> why are boxes lol? :p
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> they suck
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> lol
[16:38] <_kw> especially for beginning to do some gamedev Id say make it as easy as possible
[16:38] <_Butcher_> you'd be surprised how many games mainly use boxes ;)
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> we know
[16:38] <_Butcher_> Q3A for instance
[16:38] <Anddos> i think collision with boxes will be hard as it has eight corners :D
[16:38] <_Butcher_> you don't use the corners
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> anyways you wanta convex hull
[16:38] <_kw> Anddos - you'd just use the planes
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> to do it well
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> you convert your mesh into a smaller convex hull
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> so you dont have to compare as much
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> using qhull
[16:38] <wkr4k4r> heh
[16:39] <_Butcher_> Q3A is boxes for the players, against the world collision mesh, you don't
[16:39] <wkr4k4r> qhull is opensource bsd
[16:39] <_Butcher_> cylinders work well for humanoids also
[16:39] <Anddos> right
[16:39] <_Butcher_> if you want to be more precise, use k-dops
[16:40] <Anddos> so if the object moves all you need is the center postion and the radius
[16:42] <Anddos> is there away to create the sphere so you can see it?
[16:42] <_Butcher_> sure
[16:59] * _Nous_ is now known as _NousAFK_
[17:16] <microcosm> moment of truth 2 nite
[17:17] <microcosm> best gameshow ever
[17:18] <Anddos> ?
[17:19] <q2on> worst show ever?
[17:19] <q2on> that host is lame
[17:19] <q2on> show moves at the slowest pace possible
[17:20] <q2on> there's a reason jeapardy has been on for 40 years and its because it's paced
[17:20] <microcosm> yeah thats my only gripe with the show
[17:20] <microcosm> its too slow
[17:20] <q2on> moment of truth makes you fall asleep waiting a minute before the machine says
[17:20] <microcosm> but its hella funny otherwise
[17:20] <microcosm> they should be moving faster & packing more contestants within the hour
[17:21] <microcosm> like 4 or 5
[17:22] <microcosm> maybe they will eventually
[17:24] <microcosm> i think they have to become popular and record alot of contestants first
[17:51] <microcosm> i seem to remember 'who wants to be a millionaire' picking up pace
[18:02] * Bibendum is now known as Minion
[20:36] <Ultyma> E8400, ASUS mobo, 4GB OCZ DDR2-800 RAM, 500GB WD SATAII, EVGA 8800GT, Antec
[20:36] <Ultyma> uber sauce
[20:36] <Anddos> does ms release a new version of visual studio express every year?
[20:43] <[Relic]> Ultyma, how much?
[20:46] <Ultyma> just over $700
[20:46] <Ultyma> CAD
[20:47] <[Relic]> sounds pretty good
[20:48] <[Relic]> thinking I should probably dump this box of ancient games :)
[20:49] <Ultyma> :D
[20:50] <[Relic]> Wizard's Crown 1987
[20:50] <[Relic]> Space Quest 1986
[20:50] <[Relic]> Galaxian 1983
[20:51] <[Relic]> Wishbringer 1985
[20:51] <[Relic]> The New Print
[20:51] <[Relic]> Shop 1989
[20:51] <[Relic]> Borland Turbo
[20:51] <[Relic]> C++ for Windows
[20:51] <[Relic]> w/Protogen 1993
[20:53] <[Relic]> 85 old games :)
[20:57] <Ultyma> lol
[21:04] <[Relic]> I'll put them on craigslist and see if anyone wants them :)
[21:04] <[Relic]> more to see if anyone would actually take them :)
[21:04] <[Relic]> I'll even throw in a 5.25" drive :)
[21:09] <FMJaguar> Ultyma, send me your cart pls
[21:09] <FMJaguar> although 700 CAD is like 50 million USD now
[21:10] <Ultyma> lol
[21:10] <Ultyma> ncix has some wicked ass deals on right now
[21:11] <Ultyma> G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL5-5-5-15 240PIN Dual
[21:11] <Ultyma> ive never heard of gskill
[21:17] <Ultyma> has anyone?
[21:20] <FMJaguar> yeah
[21:20] <FMJaguar> i think it's generic
[21:21] <[Relic]> I wouldn't use any ram where, the website has no configurator for the type
[21:22] <Ultyma> lol
[21:22] <Ultyma> i think ill get OCZ
[21:22] <Ultyma> I can trust OCZ
[21:22] <[Relic]> most major brands kingston, corsair, crucial, etc. you can go to the websit
[21:22] <[Relic]> g skill and a data don't so I won't use them
[21:23] <[Relic]> oh noes! my cpu core is 20C :)
[21:24] <[Relic]> too bad I can't put a tube in the wall and air cool it on days like today
[21:24] <Ultyma> :P
[21:25] <[Relic]> about 15f today so I could have overclocked about 3x max w/o problems :)
[21:26] <RUEbaiYaT> bah. my amd athlon 3500+ is really fast.
[21:26] <RUEbaiYaT> huhu
[21:26] <Ultyma> OCZ Platinum XTC PC2-6400 4GB 2X2GB DDR2-800 CL5-4-4-15 DDR2 240PIN Dual Cha
[21:26] <[Relic]> wouldn't 4x1G be less?
[21:27] <Ultyma> 2 sticks is better than 4
[21:28] <[Relic]> less guessing which is bad?
[21:29] <[Relic]> night all :)
[21:55] <chai> |Relic| what cooling do you use ?
[21:55] <Ultyma> he left
[21:55] <Ultyma> :D
[21:56] <chai> oh ye
[21:56] <chai> :]
[21:56] <chai> ooh nearly finished my gun
[21:56] <chai> highpoly, too lazy for the last hour of work lol
[23:02] <GoulJusan> i need some dork tower comics
Session Close: Thu Jan 31 00:00:00 2008