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Session Start: Sun Jan 20 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[00:04] <DrScratMD> a virgin please
[00:04] <honkykong> yes i'll take a goddamn server script that doesnt act all buggy and drop
[00:04] <DrScratMD> and a side order of nerd
[01:21] <kaotrix> well, well, well
[01:21] <kaotrix> after all this time looking at porn
[01:21] <kaotrix> im ready to code
[01:21] <kaotrix> ...but it's 4AM and my eyes are heavy
[01:21] <kaotrix> I'm a fucking loser...
[01:33] <kaotrix> Princess Peach is a transvestite.
[01:33] <kaotrix> Discuss.
[01:44] <realtime> who is princess peach?
[01:44] <realtime> :|
[02:13] <kaotrix> Street Fighter Online: http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic
[03:13] <honkykong> ugh
[03:13] <honkykong> fkin python
[03:13] <honkykong> almost as lame as flash
[03:14] <honkykong> i dont think i could have chosen two lamer languages to make some shit ou
[03:14] <honkykong> maybe cobol and javascript
[03:14] <honkykong> hey Sembiance ever consider a cobol server backend?
[03:14] <honkykong> :P
[04:07] <sort> :o
[06:52] <honkykong> sup slakrs
[06:52] <honkykong> someone say something witty
[06:52] <honkykong> i will act amused
[06:52] <honkykong> even if i'm not
[06:54] <honkykong> k then
[06:55] <vame> hah
[07:03] <honkykong> lol
[07:03] <honkykong> !!
[07:03] <honkykong> what a wry and poignant observation vame
[07:03] <honkykong> i am very amused.
[07:04] <honkykong> really
[07:05] <honkykong> srs tho
[07:05] <honkykong> sup
[07:05] <honkykong> hows going
[07:07] <honkykong> ever seen thsi shit? pretty funnai
[07:07] <honkykong> http://xkcd.com/353/
[07:07] <honkykong> import antigravity lol
[07:11] <yenal_> hey
[07:12] <honkykong> sup
[07:12] <yenal_> good thanks
[07:12] <honkykong> k
[07:12] <honkykong> its cold as hell here
[07:12] <honkykong> how bout you.here
[07:12] <yenal_> does anyone have a nice article that explains the basic of thread safe progr
[07:12] <yenal_> in ny its damn cold
[07:13] <vame> yenal_:wish I had
[07:13] <vame> in Norway it's very warm
[07:13] <honkykong> yah its like, supposedly feels like -11 here in ohio
[07:13] <yenal_> wtf
[07:13] <vame> it should be at least -10 c, but it's more like 5 c
[07:13] <yenal_> its not that cold here
[07:14] <yenal_> honkykong: in fahrenheit right?
[07:14] <yenal_> dont go out :)
[07:14] <vame> what's up that scale? I mean, c, is 0 water freezes, 100, it boils. what about
[07:15] <vame> *what's up with that
[07:15] <yenal_> 32F = 0C
[07:15] <vame> but does it make any sense?
[07:15] <yenal_> i think the formula is F - 32 * 0.6
[07:15] <vame> or was it someone just randomly drawing two marks on a scale?
[07:15] <yenal_> i am from turkey, when i first came here it did not make any sense
[07:16] <yenal_> actually it still does not
[07:16] <yenal_> also inches :)
[07:16] <yenal_> they just want to be different i guess
[07:17] <vame> inches I can live with
[07:18] <vame> but F, I will never understand
[07:19] <honkykong> yenal ya
[07:19] <honkykong> its nasty
[07:19] <vame> in usa, is it F on everything?
[07:20] <honkykong> and re: f vs c
[07:20] <honkykong> it doesnt have to make sense
[07:20] <honkykong> we like our distances measured in body parts
[07:20] <vame> or do they use C sometimes?
[07:20] <honkykong> or weights measured in rocks
[07:20] <honkykong> or/our
[07:20] <honkykong> and our tempatures in random arbitraury numbers
[07:21] <honkykong> we got two systems. Fahrenheit and Kelvin
[07:21] <honkykong> fahrenheit for slakrs, kelvin for supernerds
[07:21] <vame> kelvin is C, only -250 something.
[07:21] <honkykong> see
[07:21] <honkykong> super nerds
[07:21] <vame> it's the same scale, only with a bias
[07:22] <honkykong> lol :P
[07:22] <honkykong> i dunno shit about temps
[07:22] <honkykong> i'm just talking crap
[07:22] <honkykong> kudos to you tho, for knowing
[07:23] <honkykong> i would say thanks for educating me but lets face it i will be promptly f
[07:24] <Yenal> i have two questions here: 1:
[07:24] <Yenal> How would you override MALLOC() so that it return an pointer which is always
[07:25] <Yenal> doesnt malloc already return a 2 byte aligned address?
[07:25] <Yenal> does the question want me to align it 4 bytes?
[07:25] <Yenal> this one i can handle but the other one i dont have any idea
[07:25] <Yenal> If you discover that a particular heap memory location is getting corrupted,
[07:26] <Yenal> any ideas
[07:26] <honkykong> maybe take the modulus of the address by two and subtract that from the a
[07:26] <honkykong> so if it even it'll do nothing, if its odd it'll subtract one?
[07:27] <honkykong> you know mod ya?
[07:27] <Yenal> what you have to is simple i believe
[07:27] <honkykong> probably
[07:27] <honkykong> this is why i hate academic assignments
[07:27] <Yenal> if the memory requested is not a product of 4 make it a product of 4
[07:27] <honkykong> k so do the same thing with 4 instead of 2
[07:27] <Yenal> and when you delete, delete that much memory
[07:28] <Yenal> but the second question, i have no idea
[07:28] <honkykong> i'd guess look lower in the memory for stuff overrunning its bounds?
[07:29] <honkykong> fuk i dunno academic assignments piss me off
[07:29] <honkykong> pointless dumbassery
[07:30] <Yenal> its not academic
[07:30] <Yenal> these are interview questions
[07:30] <honkykong> i see
[07:30] <honkykong> well also retarded
[07:30] <Yenal> maybe i should say i dont know :)
[07:30] <honkykong> lol
[07:31] <honkykong> g/l
[07:31] <honkykong> i'm loath to help with homework, but i refuse to help with interview ques
[07:32] * honkykong gets back to rewriting his flash client
[07:34] <Yenal> hehe
[07:38] <vame> Yenal: look for some code earlier in the stack that overwrites stuff perhaps.
[07:39] <vame> I had an interesting stack-related bug some days ago.
[07:39] <Yenal> i think the answer they expect to here is to enable heap checking in visual s
[07:40] <Yenal> but i have to read some articles that show how to use it
[07:45] * Bibendum is now known as Minion
[08:05] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[08:15] <honkykong> (:
[08:18] <_kw> omg
[08:18] <[Relic]> :)
[08:18] <_kw> he put his smiley down, flipped it and reversed it!
[08:31] <byp4ss> anyone know about any good tutorial for 3D game physics?
[08:32] <byp4ss> actually, 2D would do for now :P
[08:32] <byp4ss> E.g. more advanced methods for calculating velocity change than euler's meth
[08:32] <honkykong> does my freakish europeon smiley alarm you kw
[08:33] <aav_hlm> european?
[08:34] <byp4ss> actually, never mind, I found a bunch of PDFs on my computer :D
[08:34] * aav_hlm bobs to european techno
[08:36] <_kw> honkykong - I *am* euro ;P
[08:36] <_kw> and we don't do that ;P
[08:37] <_kw> at least, not by default
[08:37] <_kw> so I suspect you, sir, are an imposter!
[09:45] <Ghaleon> D:
[09:45] <Ghaleon> an impoztar
[09:48] <kermit`_> :O
[10:04] <Ghaleon> whatz up frawgie? (:>~*
[10:17] <kermit`_> Ghaleon: slaqn to da max
[10:20] <Ghaleon> wert wert
[10:20] <Ghaleon> partay partay
[11:32] <Ghaleon> McButcher w/ cheezburgarlar
[11:55] * SmilybOrg is now known as SmilyOrg
[14:27] <Ghaleon> welcome back to slaqtown
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[14:46] <Cryovat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-V3NYckOI
[15:19] <staerlor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXtyYiI5HDk&feature=related
[15:23] <Ghaleon> slaqrz
[15:26] <honkykong> *yawn*
[15:26] <honkykong> morning
[15:29] <Cryovat> Don't you just love how a guy who sings about ripping guts out of virgin ge
[15:29] <DrScratMD> he's not the original singer
[15:30] <DrScratMD> fuck him
[15:31] <Cryovat> Horde = fail ;)
[15:32] <Cryovat> Heh
[15:32] <Cryovat> Of course, a rogue
[15:38] * Ghaleon knifes Cryovat in da baq for critical dmg [99999]
[15:40] <Cryovat> You just messed with a level 70 Drawven Anal Rapist
[15:40] <Cryovat> I hope you're ready for the consequences!
[15:46] <Ghaleon> it's ok, I'm level 999
[15:46] * Ghaleon invokes DM privledges
[15:47] <Cryovat> That's unfair
[15:47] <Cryovat> :<
[15:57] * Ghaleon summons a chicken
[16:00] <honkykong> so hey
[16:00] <honkykong> hi
[16:00] <PitDroid> what's up, honkykong
[16:00] <honkykong> yo
[16:41] <Decept404> blastcorps!
[16:42] <Cryovat> Fiskeboller!
[17:04] * savag1 is now known as rande1
[17:04] * rande1 is now known as randelPRO
[17:05] <randelPRO> Bought a used PS3 w/60G drive today for $250.
[17:08] <Astaroth_> nice linux box
[17:09] <honkykong> score
[17:09] <honkykong> any games?
[17:11] <Sonistar> ps3 is actually pretty decent, i just picked up one a week ago
[17:11] <Decept404> got a 360?
[17:11] <honkykong> i been wondering if the ps3's were any good
[17:11] <honkykong> i got myself a 360 for xmas
[17:11] <Sonistar> things are much smoother on -s3, i will admit
[17:12] <Sonistar> ps3
[17:12] <randelPRO> No games. I felt wierd that I had worked on a PS3 title and had no conso
[17:12] <Sonistar> and theres no loading in uncharted, it feels so awesome with no loading sc
[17:13] <Cryovat> Which one randelPRO?
[17:13] <randelPRO> 60G w/PS2 Compat.
[17:14] <Cryovat> I mean which game ;)
[17:14] <randelPRO> Oh, heh, Medal of Honor: Airborne.
[17:14] <Cryovat> Ah
[17:14] <Cryovat> Haven't tried the demo of that
[17:14] <Sonistar> i have a 40gig w/out ps2 compat, but i gots a dualshock 3
[17:14] <Cryovat> I just have a 360
[17:14] <Cryovat> Love it
[17:14] <Sonistar> Cryovat: it has an interesting control scheme
[17:14] <Cryovat> But I saw three lights earlier today :(
[17:15] <randelPRO> I love the 360.
[17:15] <Sonistar> one that makes the "lean" function actually awesome
[17:15] <honkykong> so theres ps3's both with and without ps2 compatability?
[17:16] <Cryovat> The first ones shipped with ps2 chips inside
[17:16] <Sonistar> yep, sony are really taking it bad
[17:16] <honkykong> so new ps3's arent backwards compat?!?
[17:16] <Sonistar> you know those chips cost 8 dollars
[17:16] <honkykong> at most
[17:16] <honkykong> wtf
[17:16] <honkykong> seems retarded
[17:16] <Sonistar> honkykong: new ones are, its software emulated like xbox though
[17:16] <honkykong> runs ok tho?
[17:17] <randelPRO> Anything over 75 cents in a console is subject to being cut.
[17:17] <Sonistar> i presume, i have the 40 gig
[17:17] <Sonistar> doesnt even support software emu :(
[17:17] <Sonistar> for some reason
[17:18] <honkykong> huh
[17:18] <honkykong> well guess we'll see how it goes
[17:18] <honkykong> enjoy randelPRO
[17:18] <honkykong> maybe give us a lil review sometime, see what yathink
[17:19] <honkykong> i havent touched my 360 in like, 2 weeks now :(
[17:19] <honkykong> not that theres anything wrong with it
[17:19] <honkykong> i'm just preoccupied working on my stuff
[17:19] <randelPRO> Heh, I don't have to wait. I've always hated the PS3. Now I have a seco
[17:20] <Sonistar> im in the process of writing a little article on the ps3
[17:20] <honkykong> man
[17:20] <honkykong> so hard not to jump on the wii hating boat
[17:20] <honkykong> i mean its nice they're innovative and all
[17:20] <honkykong> but gdamn
[17:20] <honkykong> so fucking ugly
[17:20] <randelPRO> Sonistar, make sure you mention how UNintuitive the UI is on the PS3.
[17:20] <honkykong> so incredibly hideously ugly
[17:21] <Sonistar> randelPRO: wtf? its the XMB,
[17:21] <Sonistar> that
[17:21] <Sonistar> its so simple its insane
[17:22] <randelPRO> Problem with the Wii is that I'm sick and tired of waving the controller
[17:22] <Sonistar> horizontal scrolls to different medium and vertical to different subjects
[17:22] <Decept404> what exacly is ugly about the wii?
[17:22] <Cryovat> randelPRO, you tried GeoWars on it yet?
[17:23] <randelPRO> Cryovat, I play that on my DS (My favorite console of them all!)
[17:23] <Decept404> and before you reply to that, the hardware and gui design on the thing is
[17:23] <Decept404> fuck.
[17:23] <Sonistar> the xbox blade system is cluttered and rather annoying for me,
[17:24] <Sonistar> and the marketplace is a mess compared to the ps store
[17:24] <Cryovat> It's gotten better since the last update
[17:24] <Cryovat> But a bit claustrophobic
[17:24] <randelPRO> Sonistar, I prefer the model style of the 360 blades. I don't like the h
[17:25] <honkykong> Decept404: one word: "Cruisin"
[17:25] <randelPRO> Model, I meant Moddel (I think that's how to spell it)
[17:25] <randelPRO> Mod'el?
[17:25] <honkykong> also yes i got bored waiving the remote at the tv after about 3 minutes o
[17:25] <Decept404> what's that got to do with the wii mate. I could say "Bomberman Act Zero"
[17:25] <Cryovat> honkykong: There's a worse one
[17:25] <Sonistar> randelPRO: theres text right next to each icon mate...
[17:25] <honkykong> Decept404 yeah but cruizn, farcry, etc, those are the norm on wii
[17:26] <Decept404> you need to play some god damn mario galaxy and stuf
[17:26] <honkykong> bomberman for 360 is among a small minority of hideos games
[17:26] <honkykong> i did man and i didnt like it
[17:26] <Decept404> ok then you can go to hell
[17:26] <honkykong> lol
[17:26] <Decept404> the hell of not knowing wtf is up
[17:26] <honkykong> hahah
[17:26] <Decept404> the WORST hell
[17:26] <randelPRO> Sonistar, look, if I have to LEARN a UI, than it's boched. I never had t
[17:26] <Cryovat> Trying to find one
[17:26] <honkykong> Cryovat which ones worse
[17:26] <honkykong> gotta be farcry
[17:27] <honkykong> farcry for wii is the ugliest thing i've ever, ever seen
[17:27] <Sonistar> randelPRO: who says anything about learning a UI?
[17:27] <Decept404> there's a heaping ton of hideous games on the wii
[17:27] <randelPRO> Sonistar, heh, I'm not going to touch that.
[17:27] <Decept404> what does that teach us?
[17:27] <Decept404> oh right. it teaches us nothing, because there are incredibly good lookin
[17:27] <Sonistar> you read the text on the ps3 same as 360, and its laid out the same, video
[17:27] <Decept404> ass. backwards.
[17:28] <Cryovat> Ah, found it
[17:28] <Cryovat> http://kotaku.com/340145/cruisn-isnt-the-worst+looking-wii-game-anymore
[17:28] <Sonistar> the psn is piss easy to navigate, where you have to hunt through the 360 s
[17:29] <Decept404> the 360 store got worse with the last dashboard update
[17:29] <Decept404> they added a bunch of filters to the thing
[17:29] <Decept404> didnt help
[17:30] <Sonistar> the simple up, down, left, right style of the whole ps3 UI is much better
[17:30] <Cryovat> http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/01/screenshot_013.jpg
[17:30] <Cryovat> I wonder if this screensshot was released as a really bad joke
[17:30] <Decept404> Sonistar the marketplace typically has left/right to change blades, up/do
[17:30] <Decept404> thats their paradigm
[17:30] <Decept404> you just gotta be aware sometimes you gotta hit left TWICE :P
[17:31] <Sonistar> and thats the exact same principle with the ps3,
[17:31] <Decept404> personally i use the left and right buttons to change blades, never had a
[17:32] <honkykong> Cryovat w t f
[17:32] <honkykong> what the hell is supposed to be going on there
[17:32] <Cryovat> honkykong: http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/01/screenshot_034.
[17:32] <Sonistar> and your talk about confusing icons is rubbish, as to the right of each ic
[17:32] <Cryovat> http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2008/01/screenshot_017.jpg
[17:32] <Cryovat> More stuff
[17:32] <honkykong> Decept404 name one good looking game for the wii
[17:32] <Cryovat> All from Target:Terror, coming to the Wii
[17:32] <honkykong> and lemme just shoot down metroid right now
[17:32] <honkykong> cause it aint all that
[17:32] <Sonistar> mario galaxy!
[17:33] <honkykong> gdamn its like, right out of ht eearly ninties there Cryovat
[17:33] <Cryovat> Hehe
[17:33] <Cryovat> Reminds me of Revolution X
[17:33] <Cryovat> I want to buy a Wii and that game just to figure out what the hell is going
[17:33] <[Relic]> :)
[17:33] <honkykong> Sonistar nicely designed, as are the mario line in general, but i'm very
[17:34] <Cryovat> I like the look of Mario Galaxy
[17:34] <honkykong> takes more than a cellshaded look and a bunch of wacky flipping shit upsi
[17:34] <Cryovat> What I don't like about it is that it's a Mario game
[17:34] <Decept404> the funny thing is, i rise clean above this entire argument like a fly of
[17:34] <Decept404> also if you can't look at SMG and think "shit that looks really good"
[17:34] <honkykong> lol fuck that it looks no better than gamecube metroid
[17:34] <Decept404> then you are out of touch with your inner child
[17:34] <Decept404> and your soul
[17:34] <Sonistar> the cartoony look is a nice breather from the gritty brown HD we've been l
[17:34] <Decept404> and you need to see a priest or something
[17:34] <honkykong> in fact i think gamecube metroid looked better
[17:35] <Decept404> the thing is, the Wii *is* a freaking gamecube, and we know it is
[17:35] <Decept404> so you have no point
[17:35] <honkykong> and if i gotta stand in front of the fucking tv all day and wave shit at
[17:35] <honkykong> thats just too much fkin effort
[17:35] <Decept404> ok, have fun not having any fun
[17:35] <Decept404> ha!
[17:35] <honkykong> yes
[17:35] <Sonistar> metroid wii is fantastic graphically, it does a hell of a lot with not muc
[17:35] <honkykong> i will stick to boobies
[17:35] <Decept404> "I need my fun to be masculine and filled with MUSCLES damnit!"
[17:35] <Sonistar> exactly the same as the ds version
[17:35] <honkykong> the controls are simple and the graphics are awesome
[17:36] * honkykong upupdowndownleftrightleftrightBAStart's the boobies
[17:36] <Decept404> bleh. cynicism is only cool up to a point. beyond that it's a crippling d
[17:37] <honkykong> yes i should accept the wii for the good of my soul
[17:37] <Decept404> there's nothing to accept
[17:37] <Decept404> it's just a bunch of great games on the thing
[17:37] <honkykong> the wii is all a part of us
[17:37] <honkykong> and we're all a port of the wii
[17:38] <honkykong> part even
[17:38] <honkykong> gdamn i'm anerd
[17:38] <honkykong> speaking of
[17:38] <Decept404> you need to watch children of the damned again
[17:38] <Sonistar> Decept404: your being rather cynical about the ps3 yourself,
[17:38] <honkykong> WORK YOU FUCKING SERVER POS
[17:38] <Decept404> Sonistar i'm not sure i follow?
[17:38] <Decept404> what have i said versus the ps3?
[17:38] <Sonistar> im pretty impressed by it since i opened up and gave it a chance
[17:38] <Decept404> i just asked if you have a 360 for comparison?
[17:39] <Sonistar> yes i do, i have had one since launch
[17:39] <Decept404> i'm picking up the ps3 when the uncharted/r&c bundle hits europe
[17:39] <Sonistar> same with wii
[17:39] <Decept404> aka "the two games on the ps3"
[17:39] <Decept404> ;)
[17:39] <Cryovat> I'm picking up the PS3 (if it gets more appealing games) if the price halve
[17:39] <Sonistar> the 399 one? hasnt it got it yet?
[17:39] <Decept404> beyond that i'm mostly a completist
[17:39] <Decept404> hasnt hit norway yet afaik
[17:39] <Sonistar> Decept404: yeah, i have those two games only lol
[17:40] <Decept404> i'm wondering, since sony calls the thing a "computer", if i can buy it t
[17:40] <Cryovat> Hehe
[17:40] <Cryovat> You started a company to buy cheap hardware? ;)
[17:40] <Decept404> mostly to make shitloads of money
[17:40] <Decept404> working okay so far
[17:41] <Cryovat> Hehe
[17:41] <Cryovat> Well
[17:41] <Cryovat> You could probably pass it off as a number cruncher
[17:41] <Decept404> http://www.doomsday.no/misc/gamestuff.jpg check out my great setup. FOR F
[17:41] <Cryovat> Console sandwhich!
[17:41] <honkykong> hey what do yall think of PsychoMantis for the name of my server sofftwar
[17:41] <honkykong> game server
[17:41] <honkykong> psyman for short
[17:41] <Decept404> fanboy
[17:41] <Decept404> ;)
[17:41] <honkykong> ya lol
[17:42] <Cryovat> Is it a game character?
[17:42] <honkykong> when it starts up i could have it show a lil bit of a ascii image of psyc
[17:42] <Decept404> gigolol is way better
[17:42] <honkykong> psychomantis is a reaccuring badguy from the metal gear games
[17:42] <Sonistar> hehe
[17:42] <honkykong> i just like mantis's
[17:42] <Cryovat> I'd say if you want to release some software that you could commercialize a
[17:42] <Cryovat> Then you should pick something that isn't trademarked ;)
[17:42] <honkykong> but calling the thing Mantis just seems too generic
[17:43] <honkykong> i could spell it diff
[17:43] <Decept404> i did some hop gar preying mantis for a while
[17:43] <Sonistar> Cryovat: you should get yourself a ps1 and a copy of mgs INSTANTLY
[17:43] <Decept404> before wing chun
[17:43] <honkykong> sykoMantis or something
[17:43] <honkykong> Decept404 nice
[17:43] <honkykong> agreed
[17:43] <honkykong> like right now
[17:43] <honkykong> gogogo
[17:43] <Decept404> i hilariously played mgs1 on the pc
[17:43] <Cryovat> Oh
[17:43] <honkykong> same
[17:43] <Cryovat> Sonistar: I'm not a sneaker fan :(
[17:44] <Decept404> makes me wonder why mgs 2 or 3 hasnt made it to the pc. Mouse control for
[17:44] <honkykong> mgs2 did
[17:44] <honkykong> and it uh.. didnt
[17:44] <honkykong> rule
[17:44] <Sonistar> Cryovat: huh?
[17:44] <Decept404> lamesauce
[17:44] <honkykong> yah it was painful
[17:44] <Decept404> i played mgs2 on the xbox
[17:44] <honkykong> ran like shit too
[17:44] <Decept404> i love how mgs3 on the ps2 looked and ran better than mgs2 on the xbox
[17:44] <Cryovat> Sonistar: I don't like stealth games
[17:44] <honkykong> but does that name grab yall a lil?
[17:44] <Decept404> good stealth action is easily my favorite genre
[17:45] <honkykong> i keep thinking about it
[17:45] <Decept404> Thief 2 <3 <3 <3 < 3 <3 <3 <3 3<333
[17:45] <Sonistar> :( its a staple of movie/game integration!
[17:45] <[Relic]> FF The Spirit Within? :)
[17:45] <Sonistar> ahhh!
[17:45] <Decept404> reminds me of the cube remake of mgs2
[17:45] <Decept404> those cutscenes were baaaadassssssss
[17:45] <Sonistar> run awayy
[17:46] <Sonistar> Decept404: did you ever play the mgs1 remake?
[17:46] <Sonistar> hold on, they made a mgs2 remake too?
[17:47] <Decept404> oh sorry
[17:47] <Decept404> i mix up
[17:47] <Decept404> it was mgs1 remake
[17:47] <Decept404> with mgs2 graphics
[17:47] <Sonistar> how is it? i never played
[17:47] <Decept404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqACfSpozU
[17:47] <Decept404> it's pretty good!
[17:47] <Decept404> the cutscenes are, as said, wicked cool
[17:48] <Sonistar> hahahahah
[17:48] <Sonistar> i love konamis idea of a tank
[17:48] <Sonistar> where theres a guy looking through the barrel
[17:48] <Decept404> from 5 minutes in or so, it's awesome
[17:50] <Decept404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUQ8U1STQQ also damn sweet
[17:51] <Cryovat> My only experience with the series is the first 30 minutes of MGS1
[17:52] <_kw> <random> using the term 'foresting' in this project suddenly made it clea
[17:52] <Cryovat> Sounds like an interesting project
[17:52] <Cryovat> A foresting game
[17:53] <_kw> heh
[17:53] <_kw> it's a skill :P
[17:53] <_kw> I wouldn't mind that tho actually, I love forests and trees
[17:53] <Cryovat> Could have made it as a protest againt where games have ended up
[17:54] <Cryovat> Like
[17:54] <Cryovat> Patching the foot of a hurt deer
[17:54] <_kw> aha
[17:54] <Cryovat> Or arrest poachers in a civilized way
[17:54] <_kw> people would just end up modding it so you could use chainsaws on the poachers
[17:55] <Decept404> i still think MGS1 has the best story of all of them
[17:55] <Decept404> the script of mgs2 and 3 are just... incoherent
[17:56] <Sonistar> theres a bit too much waffle in mgs 2 and 3, i agree
[17:56] <_kw> hm, you're making me hungry
[17:56] <Sonistar> and mgs2 has a blonde nekkid guy doing acrobatic flips
[17:57] <Cryovat> You know, there are some people here in Norway who replaces the bun in saus
[17:57] <_kw> hah
[17:57] <_kw> they figured it wasn't fattening enough?
[17:57] <Decept404> also metal gear rex rules
[17:57] <Decept404> it's just a cool machine
[17:58] <Cryovat> There's actually something called a metal gear?
[17:58] <Decept404> yeah
[17:58] <Decept404> the series is always about superweapons called metal gear
[17:58] <Cryovat> Always figured the title was another instance of japanese people stitching
[17:58] <Decept404> :P
[17:58] <Decept404> typically giant walking tanks
[17:59] <Sonistar> Cryovat: yep, its essentially a walking mech that can launch nukes
[17:59] <Sonistar> that you end up fighting yourself
[17:59] <Cryovat> I don't suppose it actually uses nukes on you? ;)
[17:59] <Sonistar> with a FAMAS
[17:59] <Sonistar> i forget how you actually kill it
[18:00] <Decept404> stinger rockets
[18:00] <Decept404> and a lot of running around
[18:00] <Sonistar> oh yeah
[18:00] <Decept404> reminds me how much i hate the end of mgs2
[18:00] <Decept404> when you kill like 40 of them
[18:00] <Decept404> over and over and over and over... yawn
[18:01] <Sonistar> then you both take your shirts off and play fisticuffs on the top
[18:01] <Sonistar> while its on FIRE
[18:01] <Decept404> and then there's a car chase
[18:01] <Sonistar> and an explosion
[18:01] <Decept404> and then theres a long video about how nature is beautiful
[18:01] <Decept404> or something
[18:01] <vame> I've only played mgs 1
[18:01] <Sonistar> and then a gay "riding into the sunset on a jetski" ending
[18:02] <Sonistar> or snowmobile thing, whatever
[18:02] <Decept404> methinks it hilarious that meryll is in mgs4, looking only SLIGHTLY older
[18:02] <Sonistar> it was still pretty gay
[18:02] <Sonistar> Decept404: well its only a few years later actually, snake is that old be
[18:02] <Decept404> oh right
[18:02] <Decept404> i thought he was immune
[18:03] <Sonistar> as he was meant to die after MGS1
[18:03] <Sonistar> well its not killed him, but its still trying
[18:03] <Decept404> i will be very surprised if he actually dies at the end of mgs4
[18:03] <Decept404> that would take some balls
[18:04] <Decept404> i'm not convinced konami has any yet
[18:04] <Sonistar> Decept404: well they hinted it in the trailer, he had a gun in his mouth
[18:04] <Decept404> i bet he's just depressed
[18:05] <Sonistar> ran out of werthers originals or something
[18:05] <Cryovat> Heh, you guys played Halo 3?
[18:05] <Sonistar> yeah
[18:05] <Cryovat> That was a disappointment there
[18:05] <Decept404> i played it online for like a week straight
[18:06] <Decept404> and it was awesome
[18:06] <Decept404> now for some reason i don't feel the urge to go back to it
[18:06] <Sonistar> very, the story line was anticlimatic,
[18:06] <Decept404> screw the single player
[18:06] <Decept404> it was shit
[18:06] <Sonistar> the freaking book was ten times better
[18:07] <Sonistar> read ghosts of onyx and replace the main guy in it with the chief and youl
[18:07] <Cryovat> With that Believe campaign they were running I thought they'd actually have
[18:07] <Sonistar> they just have him floating around like a wet fart in space
[18:07] <Sonistar> ready to be rehashed whenever the time is right (xbox 720 comes out)
[18:08] <Cryovat> I guess the thought of actually ending a triology was too scary for the sha
[18:08] <Decept404> stupid halo
[18:08] <Decept404> i think its funny how every single game in that series was screwed over b
[18:09] <Cryovat> Cortana was a big letdown to me too
[18:09] <Decept404> whenever those guys turned up i was like.. ok... i'm going to play someth
[18:09] <Sonistar> she wasnt insane enough
[18:09] <Cryovat> With the trailers, I was expecting her to play some big apocalyptic role
[18:09] <Cryovat> I guess I've played too much rpgs
[18:09] <Sonistar> hehe
[18:09] <Cryovat> But I sort of expected her to merge with the flood in some way and totally
[18:09] <Decept404> i expected her to be like durandal from Marathon
[18:09] <Decept404> and she turned out to just be PMSing
[18:09] <Cryovat> Yeah
[18:10] <Cryovat> The "I am your shield, I am your sword" stuff sounded so awesome
[18:10] <Decept404> she totally wasnt
[18:10] <Sonistar> bungie arent the best developers really, :p
[18:10] <Cryovat> Overall it was a good game, but could have been taken much farther
[18:10] * yenal_ is now known as yenal
[18:10] <Sonistar> im still holding Infinty ward above them
[18:10] <Decept404> strange comparison
[18:11] <Decept404> it's not a popularity contest
[18:11] <Decept404> and technically infinity ward are merely okay
[18:11] <Cryovat> I'm a Valve fanboy
[18:11] <Sonistar> as i am with Valve and naughty dog
[18:11] <Decept404> Irrational games.
[18:11] <Sonistar> Decept404: i never said anything about poularity?
[18:11] <Decept404> Double Fine
[18:11] <Cryovat> Maybe it's their past as mac developers, but Bungie always seemed to thing
[18:11] <Sonistar> Cryovat: i agree
[18:12] <Decept404> yeah, all they did was make one of the best sci-fi FPS trilogies ever wri
[18:12] <Decept404> and i'm not talking about halo
[18:12] <Sonistar> strange how? their both fps developers :)
[18:12] <Decept404> it's strange because bungie's emphasis has always been on concept
[18:12] <Cryovat> I dunno Decept404
[18:12] <Cryovat> I was playing Durandal yesterday
[18:12] <Decept404> and in terms of concept, infinity ward need to go to school
[18:12] <Cryovat> The game frustrates me
[18:13] <Decept404> play Marathon, Durandal and Infinity in sequence
[18:13] <Cryovat> Time after time I feel I'm trying to navigate some sprawling maze hunting t
[18:13] <Decept404> the fiction is out of this world
[18:13] <Decept404> Durandal is like metroid with levels and more shooting
[18:13] <Decept404> also the 360 version is a bid painful
[18:13] <Sonistar> im not saying their writing isnt bad, im saying their not making the games
[18:13] <Cryovat> They do a good job on the multiplayer aspect
[18:14] <Decept404> Halo 3 has great art direction and a strong sense of setting. Infinity wa
[18:14] <Sonistar> Cryovat: hell yeah they do
[18:14] <Cryovat> But I feel the guys innovating most in the FPS genre now is Valve
[18:14] <Cryovat> Their storytelling is amazing
[18:14] <Decept404> imho going "realistic" is a big fat copout unless you're doing something
[18:14] <Cryovat> Yeah
[18:14] <Sonistar> Cryovat: well not since hl2, im waiting for hl3 :)
[18:14] <Sonistar> tf2 and portal arent technically valve :p
[18:15] <Decept404> sure they are
[18:15] <Cryovat> I'd beg to differ
[18:15] <Decept404> they're in-house valve products
[18:15] <Sonistar> their individual dev studios bought over
[18:15] <Decept404> nah
[18:15] <Cryovat> You played Narbacular Drop?
[18:15] <Decept404> for portal *three* guys are the original studio
[18:15] <Decept404> everyone else is valve crew
[18:15] <Decept404> actually 2 guys and 1 girl
[18:15] <Decept404> :P
[18:15] <Cryovat> It was a fun game - but it lacked that extra
[18:15] <Sonistar> same way Left 4 dead isnt vavlem, they just bought the devs a week ago
[18:15] <Cryovat> For me, it was the writing that made the game
[18:16] <Decept404> I dunno honestly
[18:16] <Decept404> i think Valve is better at concept and art direction than they are at sto
[18:16] <Decept404> they make great scenarios
[18:16] <Decept404> not so spectacular writing however
[18:16] <Cryovat> I dunno
[18:16] <Cryovat> They always have a lot of subtle details
[18:17] <Sonistar> what? the hl series is bloody epic
[18:17] <Decept404> how?
[18:17] <Cryovat> Stuff you pick up by accident by staying behind and listening to npc chatte
[18:17] <baaba> if you just extract the dialogue then it's not very impressive
[18:17] <baaba> but that's hardly all there is
[18:17] <Sonistar> i loved the unique "you dont have a clue wtf is going on" approach
[18:17] <Cryovat> Newspaper clippings pinned to boards, etc
[18:17] <Decept404> well all of that stuff explains the *backstory*
[18:17] <Decept404> hence the scenario
[18:18] <Decept404> the actual stories being told are very simple things
[18:18] <Sonistar> Cryovat: yeah, the real story is in the detail
[18:18] <baaba> then again i can't really imagine a huge amount of complicated dialogue with
[18:18] <baaba> :P
[18:18] <Sonistar> Decept404: thats the way its meant to be
[18:18] <Decept404> i'm sure it is
[18:18] <Sonistar> you seen I AM LEDGEND yet?
[18:18] <Sonistar> mt
[18:18] <honkykong> hey einride you around?
[18:18] <Cryovat> baaba: You've never played Chrono Trigger, have you? :P
[18:19] <Sonistar> same thing applies, a pretty simple story, but a HUGE one if you take in t
[18:19] <Decept404> i'm just saying that compared to something like System Shock or Thief, or
[18:19] <Decept404> HL2, to me, was a summer blockbuster
[18:19] <Decept404> i was very entertained
[18:19] <baaba> Cryovat, no, unfortunately i never got to it
[18:19] <baaba> i actually have it on my snes :P
[18:19] <baaba> bought it from a garage sale a few years ago, but i haven't played it yet
[18:20] <Cryovat> Emus are your friend ;)
[18:20] <Cryovat> Or that :P
[18:20] <Decept404> it didnt bowl me over any more than say Independence Day did (haha), it j
[18:20] <Cryovat> It's incredible how much words the other cast manages to put into Chrono's
[18:20] <vame> it seems valve are very focused on "you make the story be doing your actions"
[18:20] <baaba> well you're a freaking mute, what else can they do ;)
[18:20] <Decept404> i think valve are interested in one thing and one thing alone, and that i
[18:20] <Decept404> you can dig into it and get anal retentive about the details, or you can
[18:21] <Decept404> as such, the actual meat to the story is almost inconsequential
[18:21] <vame> I hope eidos doesn't go bankrupt so we can get deus ex 3
[18:21] <Decept404> dx3 is in development :P
[18:21] <vame> yeah
[18:21] <Sonistar> theres a huge story Decept404, theres the 7 hour war, the history of the c
[18:22] <vame> but eidos is about to go bankrupt
[18:22] <Decept404> again Sonistar, you're talking about the backstory
[18:22] <Cryovat> Gonna wimp out and get some sleep, good night :)
[18:22] <Sonistar> you just dont get it spoonfed to ya
[18:22] <Decept404> by that standard you can make a shmup in Tolkien middle-earth and say it
[18:23] <Sonistar> its the design of the game, your not meant to have an epic story told like
[18:23] <Decept404> yep
[18:23] <Decept404> and it's a cool chase movie
[18:23] <Decept404> ;)
[18:23] <Sonistar> they chose well to have it short and real
[18:23] <Decept404> i was entertained
[18:24] <Decept404> The Thief trilogy however had me *desperate* for more
[18:24] <Decept404> same with System Shock 2
[18:24] <Decept404> and Bioshock recently
[18:25] <vame> bioshock didn't click with me
[18:25] <vame> like deus ex did
[18:26] <Decept404> that's an unfair comparison
[18:26] <Decept404> deus ex was ambitious beyond words
[18:26] <Decept404> you dont get many games like that beyond rpgs these days
[18:26] <vame> shame I dislike rpgs :p
[18:26] <Decept404> i'm sure you can play through deus ex like 10 times and still not see it
[18:31] <vame> I think I'll have to get it again as I've lost my copy
[18:31] <vame> 10 dollars on steam.
[18:31] <vame> NICE
[18:32] <Sonistar> i might actually buy that now
[18:42] * darvish is now known as _darvish
[18:42] * _darvish is now known as darvish
[19:58] <DrScratMD> For those of you who may have jerked off to Tara Reid, dreaming of fuckin
[20:00] <[Relic]> but she still has to put a bag over your head :)
[20:01] <randelPRO> Hey, Tara Reid was in a game I made...
[20:08] <Decept404> who cares about tara reid
[20:08] <Decept404> she was skanky from day 1
[20:21] <Kepler> if I start learning directx in the comings months should I start directly wi
[20:22] <Rangar> if you have DX10 hardware, then sure
[20:22] <Rangar> if not, go with 9
[20:22] <Rangar> either way, Shaders are THE thing to learn
[20:22] <Kepler> if I learn 9, will I fall behind
[20:22] <DrScratMD> if you learn 9 you will be castrated by osama
[20:22] <DrScratMD> he is leading a jihad against dx 9
[20:23] <Rangar> damnit man, say something usefull :P
[20:23] <Kepler> no but I am serious, I mean I,ve hear now everything is unified, and there i
[20:23] <Rangar> Kepler: I'll be honest, i've not looked at the DX10 API, but the API from 6-
[20:24] <Kepler> ok
[20:24] <Rangar> yes, but you can use shades in 9 and 10.. it's more then grasping of the con
[20:24] <Rangar> once you have that, you're sussed
[20:24] <Kepler> ok so there isn't a huge difference of concept between both of them
[20:24] <Rangar> infact, shaders are pretty portable, there isnt much change between DX shade
[20:24] <Kepler> what about model 3 vs shader model 4 how differents are they
[20:25] <Rangar> i'll pass on that one sorry
[20:25] <Rangar> Dr^Nick - who isnt on atm, teaches DX10, i'd wait around and see if you can
[20:25] <Kepler> so if I learn 9 I will be ok and I'll be able to get in 10 without to much t
[20:26] <Kepler> ok thanks
[20:28] <Rangar> yea, thats what believe
[20:28] <Rangar> I
[23:14] <honkykong> hey
[23:14] <honkykong> fuckers
[23:14] <honkykong> wake up
[23:14] <honkykong> do something
[23:19] <chai> where's my +v ?
[23:23] <DrScratMD> at the gay bar
[23:25] <chai> you're trying to get into my pants Scrat ?
[23:27] <chai> I won't give you sexual favors for a +v
Session Close: Mon Jan 21 00:00:00 2008