Session Start: Fri Jan 04 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[00:00] <DrFuranMD> unless you're an intern
[00:01] <Dr_Rambo> a sexy sexy intern
[00:01] <chai> hehe funny clip
[00:02] <Dr_Rambo> Chevy Chase. he is soo sooo 80s
[00:02] <chai> true
[00:02] <Dr_Rambo> I didn't expected him to see him still alive in the new millenium!
[00:03] <Dr_Rambo> but yeh, Googlemap. Awesome stuff
[00:04] <Dr_Rambo> and you are legally able to download the maps for personal use
[00:04] <chai> you have one of those uber cellphones ?
[00:04] <Dr_Rambo> no
[00:04] <Dr_Rambo> I have shit phone
[00:04] <Dr_Rambo> but you can use a mobile app to display google map offline
[00:05] <Dr_Rambo> just so long if u don't download the satellite image. Google will cut you
[00:05] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:05] <DrScratMD> The New Millenimummie
[00:06] <DrScratMD> chevy chase has come out with at least 1 movie per year since the 80s
[00:06] <Dr_Rambo> so, yeh, any phone with S60 V1-3, Java MIDP 2.0 supported can run this
[00:06] <DrScratMD> so what years did he miss?
[00:06] <DrScratMD> 1999, 1996
[00:06] <DrScratMD> 1987
[00:06] <Dr_Rambo> man he did?
[00:06] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:06] <chai> how much storage does it takes ?
[00:06] <DrScratMD> 1984
[00:06] <DrScratMD> huhu
[00:06] <DrScratMD> yup
[00:07] <DrScratMD> 1982
[00:07] <DrScratMD> from 1980 to today
[00:07] <DrScratMD> those are the only years he didn't have amovie
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> chai, I got a 4GB memory stick
[00:07] <chai> shiat
[00:07] <chai> I have like 4 mb maybe heh
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> it's fairly cheap nowadays
[00:07] <chai> and you say you have a shit phone ...
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> $79
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[00:07] <chai> no shit
[00:07] <chai> seriously ?
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[00:07] <chai> and it has a camera and stuff ?
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> just search online
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> well sure
[00:07] <chai> daaymn
[00:07] <Dr_Rambo> 2.0 mpixel camera
[00:08] <DrScratMD> in 2008 he's comming out with "Jack and the Beanstalk"
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> the phone cost me $199 only
[00:08] <DrScratMD> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1079968/
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> it's cheap ass phone
[00:08] <DrScratMD> so he already got 2008 covered
[00:08] <DrScratMD> huhu
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> any decent phone is $300
[00:08] <chai> oh I thought you said the phone was 79$
[00:08] <chai> lol
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> no
[00:08] <chai> I have a cheapass phone
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> phone is $199, memory card M2 is $79
[00:08] <Dr_Rambo> which is 4 GB
[00:08] <chai> actually need to sell my 2nd one
[00:08] <chai> that sounds about right
[00:09] <Dr_Rambo> LOL DrScrat
[00:09] <Dr_Rambo> honestly, he is like living fossil
[00:09] <Dr_Rambo> he flaunts the 80's-ness
[00:09] <Dr_Rambo> I just can't believe he is still making movies like that... in this time a
[00:09] <DrScratMD> ya, he is so 80s
[00:09] <Dr_Rambo> it's like seeing erm.. Mr T again
[00:10] <DrScratMD> well, he was bornin 1943
[00:10] <DrScratMD> so he's only in his 60s
[00:10] <Dr_Rambo> well same age as Mr T I think
[00:10] <Dr_Rambo> but Mr T havn't age one iota
[00:10] <Dr_Rambo> he looks as if he is still fresh off the TV set of A-TEAM
[00:10] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:11] <chai> now that's surprising - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0776239/
[00:11] <chai> how many movies murdock had :P
[00:11] <chai> ah most of those are voices
[00:11] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:12] <chai> did voiceovers for fallout 2
[00:12] <chai> pretty cool
[00:12] <Dr_Rambo> wow, he is in MASS EFFECT
[00:12] <chai> gothic 3
[00:12] <chai> wha
[00:13] <Dr_Rambo> he is like Mark Hamil
[00:13] <Dr_Rambo> haha
[00:13] <DrScratMD> Mark Hamil dissopeared
[00:13] <DrScratMD> after star wars and corvette summer
[00:13] <DrScratMD> his eyes were all fucked up looking
[00:14] <Dr_Rambo> lol
[00:15] <Dr_Rambo> come to think of it
[00:15] <Dr_Rambo> Mark Hamil looks like this guy
[00:15] <Dr_Rambo> William H. Macy
[00:15] <DrScratMD> haha
[00:15] <kozmonaut> except macy can act
[00:15] <DrScratMD> now he's been around in a lot of movies
[00:15] <Dr_Rambo> well sorta
[00:15] <Dr_Rambo> http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1091/Events/1091/hamill_mark5.html?pat
[00:16] <Dr_Rambo> http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1936/Events/1936/WilliamHMa_Grani_9358
[00:17] <DrScratMD> anyone remeber that late 90s TV show that was on usa
[00:17] <DrScratMD> Silk Stockings
[00:17] <DrScratMD> huhu
[00:17] <DrScratMD> theydon't have anything like that anymore on usa
[00:18] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:18] <Dr_Rambo> it's all manly stockings
[00:18] <Dr_Rambo> now
[00:18] <DrScratMD> huhu3
[00:18] <Dr_Rambo> yeh it's da new milleniums
[00:19] <DrScratMD> it was a police station that they worked at but it was all blue and lit u
[00:19] <DrScratMD> everyone on there was sexy and horny
[00:19] <Dr_Rambo> HAHA
[00:19] <DrScratMD> it was like CSI: Horny
[00:19] <Dr_Rambo> LMAO
[00:19] <Dr_Rambo> indeed!
[00:20] <DrScratMD> It was old fashioned detective work
[00:20] <DrScratMD> Get close to the sexy girl
[00:20] <DrScratMD> and figure out the case
[00:20] <DrScratMD> no forenzics
[00:21] <DrScratMD> Remmeber the hot detective, Rita? huhu
[00:21] <DrScratMD> http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/4613/Events/4613/MitziKaptu_Grant_821
[00:21] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[00:21] <Dr_Rambo> yeh that was sooo 70s
[00:21] <DrScratMD> now she's a fat pig with a fat dog
[00:21] <Dr_Rambo> its like relict of the 70s charles angels
[00:21] <Dr_Rambo> HAHAHA
[00:22] <Dr_Rambo> oh she is still hot
[00:22] <Dr_Rambo> I would bang her
[00:22] <DrScratMD> now we have Monk and Psyc
[00:23] <DrScratMD> on usa
[02:02] * DrScrat is now known as DrScratMD
[02:21] <nasalinfe> hi
[02:21] <nasalinfe> how is console made in games?
[02:21] <nasalinfe> to output sata
[02:21] <nasalinfe> data
[02:33] <sort> its programmed...
[02:35] <nasalinfe> as a child window?
[02:35] <sort> you need to be more specific about what you want
[02:36] <sort> do you want a windows console, or a quake style console ?
[02:36] <nasalinfe> well i want some kind of output system on the directx device
[02:36] <nasalinfe> to see varibles etc
[02:36] <nasalinfe> i dont want console as it means i have to work in windowed mode
[02:36] <nasalinfe> quake style console
[02:37] <sort> in quake its a 2d buffer and it displays a window of that to you, and its all
[02:42] <nasalinfe> interesting
[02:45] <DrScratMD> [02:02] * DrScrat is now known as DrScratMD
[02:45] <DrScratMD> [02:04] <mikelarry> lol @ dr
[02:45] <DrScratMD> [02:04] <mikelarry> don't lie :P
[02:45] <DrScratMD> [02:08] <DrScratMD> I didn't put myself through years of medical sc
[02:56] <kozmonaut> more like you have your md in irc
[02:58] <wkr4k3r> yea right
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> you arnet an MD
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> you wish
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> write me scripts
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> for clonazepam
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> and diazepam
[02:59] <wkr4k3r> i need both
[02:59] <kozmonaut> write me ruby scripts
[02:59] <kozmonaut> and a new c++ server
[03:00] <wkr4k3r> clon- 2mg pills, 200
[03:00] <wkr4k3r> valium 10mg- 400
[03:03] <kozmonaut> haha sounds like one of the millions of emails like that i get a day
[03:03] * kozmonaut is now known as kozmoafk
[03:07] <honkykong> morning
[03:07] <honkykong> <DrScratMD> I didn't put myself through years of medical school
[03:07] <honkykong> well that much is true anywyas
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> yea
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> but i want scripts
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> so i dont pay their absurd prices
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> like 200 for 90 valium 10mg
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> haha
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> absurd
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> should be like 15-20
[03:11] <wkr4k3r> lol
[03:12] <wkr4k3r> at normal pharmacy
[03:12] <wkr4k3r> lol
[03:12] <wkr4k3r> plus its easy to cook
[03:15] <honkykong> lol
[03:15] <honkykong> yeah the rx industry is fucked
[03:15] <honkykong> bad
[03:16] <honkykong> hey whats that painkiller a lot of people use as a patch? fenatol? fenaty
[03:16] <flashed> rx?
[03:16] <honkykong> rx = prescription, here in america anyways
[03:16] <honkykong> dunno why
[03:17] <honkykong> anyways hey that fenatyl or whatever it is... lotta people use a patch ve
[03:17] <flashed> it makes you kuaizy?
[03:17] <honkykong> it kills a lot of ppeople.... seriously lots of people... because of irre
[03:17] <honkykong> no it makes you dead
[03:17] <flashed> not as bad i guess
[03:18] <honkykong> see if your body has a high body temp, it absorbs drugs like that faster
[03:18] <honkykong> so if you put one on and say, take a hot shower... BAM, could be the last
[03:18] <honkykong> happened several thousand times last year in america
[03:18] <flashed> and they dont warn you about that shit?
[03:18] <honkykong> newp
[03:19] <honkykong> the docs arent even terribly aware of it
[03:19] <honkykong> its retarded
[03:19] <flashed> yeah
[03:19] <honkykong> they say you have to talk to a painkiller specialist for that info... the
[03:19] <honkykong> yeah thats why i'm mentioning it actually
[03:19] <honkykong> its kinda not as common knowledge as i'd like
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> efuck that patch
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> YOU WANT THE BENZOS
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> TONS OF BENZOS
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> KLONS
[03:20] <honkykong> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g23_FDZQP1HPyhyc14IDu8YoPt9gD8TLVUJG0
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> RHYOPHNOL (BANNED) FOR DATERAPES
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> AND VALIUMS
[03:20] <wkr4k3r> banned in us
[03:21] <wkr4k3r> everywhere else its not
[03:21] <wkr4k3r> lol
[03:21] <sort> what do you want valium for
[03:21] <sort> i had one once and slept for 2 days straight
[03:22] <honkykong> so howd crysis go sort
[03:22] <sort> looks like shit :)
[03:22] <honkykong> sucks
[03:22] <honkykong> i thought it was supposed to be the new hotness
[03:22] <sort> but not terribly choppy
[03:22] <sort> running at 800x600 with all gfx options set to low
[03:22] <flashed> hehe
[03:22] <honkykong> nastai
[03:23] <sort> set anything too high and it doesnt even render
[03:23] <flashed> i play in medium
[03:24] <sort> the gameplay is kind of annoying though, you have to shoot people like 10 time
[03:27] <honkykong> so hmm
[03:27] <honkykong> operation makecoffee did not go well
[03:28] <honkykong> i tried squirting some chocolate on top of the pile of coffee in the grou
[03:28] <sort> quake 1 however, runs 200fps at 1600x1200 with all eyecandy on :>
[03:28] <sort> heh
[03:28] <honkykong> so maybe it'd like, brew some chocolate coffees
[03:28] <sort> gum it up and overflow?
[03:28] <honkykong> it overflowed, got nasty, quite a mess
[03:28] <sort> haha
[03:28] <honkykong> like a champ, you bet
[03:28] <honkykong> i'll be lucky to get 2 cups of servicable coffee out of the whole thing
[03:29] <honkykong> but... <sip>... it does taste good lol
[03:31] <flashed> lol
[03:32] <wkr4k3r> DUDE
[03:33] <wkr4k3r> I LOVE BENZOS
[03:33] <wkr4k3r> I HAVE ANXIETY
[03:33] <wkr4k3r> I NEED THEM
[03:33] <wkr4k3r> they are all that work
[03:33] <wkr4k3r> lol
[03:56] <honkykong> hai aav
[03:57] <honkykong> hows going
[04:40] <GoulJusan> meow :D
[04:40] <kermit`_> meow meow
[04:40] <GoulJusan> kermie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:40] <GoulJusan> slurps!!!
[04:40] <kermit`_> goulie ^^
[04:41] <kermit`_> sup?
[04:41] <GoulJusan> how is mah fav frogger
[04:41] <kermit`_> supah tired... i got insomnia again
[04:41] <GoulJusan> in belgium now.. t rying to eat all the chocolatei could get
[04:41] <kermit`_> so i'm pretty much slacking and reading about spring framework
[04:41] <kermit`_> kool :)
[04:41] <kermit`_> it's almost where kermy lives :O
[04:41] <GoulJusan> hehe
[04:41] <kermit`_> "almost"
[04:42] <GoulJusan> almost id good enough :D
[04:42] <kermit`_> :P
[04:42] <GoulJusan> there's a kermit chow
[04:42] <GoulJusan> show
[04:42] <GoulJusan> about him and his swamp lol
[04:42] <kermit`_> haha wtf :)
[04:43] <kermit`_> i live in a city! not a swamp! :P
[04:44] <GoulJusan> same difference
[04:44] <kermit`_> :P
[04:44] <GoulJusan> both are stinky n smelly
[04:44] <GoulJusan> full of flying stuffz
[04:44] <kermit`_> but one is filled with girlies, the other isn't :D
[04:44] <GoulJusan> both have venomous snakes and dangerous creature lurking bout
[04:45] <kermit`_> :P
[04:48] <GoulJusan> so since my kermie had all grown up.. how's the love life?
[04:49] <kermit`_> whut? lol
[04:49] <GoulJusan> i wanna see the frog breed
[04:49] <kermit`_> still single, but i went to a date with a nice girl last week :) so we'll
[04:49] * _kw remembers the book 'before you leap'
[04:50] <GoulJusan> lol
[04:50] <honkykong> "<GoulJusan> i wanna see the frog breed" gdamn furries :P
[04:50] <honkykong> a pox on society
[04:51] <GoulJusan> n yer a big gorrilla
[04:51] <honkykong> thats true
[04:51] <honkykong> lol
[04:51] <GoulJusan> lol
[04:51] <honkykong> also, hi
[04:51] <GoulJusan> heya :D
[04:52] <honkykong> lol flash based irc soon... i could almost hook it into an irc server i b
[04:52] <honkykong> works almost the same, channels, ops, join/parts all that shit
[04:52] <GoulJusan> ugh
[04:52] <honkykong> inorite
[04:52] <GoulJusan> the horror!
[04:52] <honkykong> i'm not making it to make it
[04:53] <honkykong> i'm mkaing it as a step towards multiplayer game server
[04:53] <GoulJusan> oh i see
[04:53] <honkykong> but its a pretty basic implementation of the server i've hacked together
[04:53] <GoulJusan> by using irc for chat?
[04:53] <honkykong> i keep kicking myself for making it tho
[04:53] <honkykong> well its the same idea
[04:53] <honkykong> but in the end application a channel wont be a chat channel it'll be a sh
[04:54] <kermit`_> :O
[04:54] <honkykong> and you wont be able to be in more than one at a time, but you can now th
[04:54] <honkykong> which seems cool but i dunno how it'd apply to games
[04:54] <honkykong> its all flash + python with socket based communication
[04:54] <GoulJusan> woah
[04:54] <honkykong> pretty spiffy if i do say so myself
[04:55] <honkykong> which i did
[04:55] <honkykong> just now.
[04:55] <honkykong> lol
[04:57] <GoulJusan> http://gear.ign.com/articles/843/843502p1.html
[04:59] <honkykong> i wonder why ms wont let 3rd parties make shit for 360
[04:59] <honkykong> like a damn mouse
[04:59] <honkykong> or a wireless usb fleshlight
[04:59] <honkykong> i mean wtf is this the stoneage or somethign
[05:01] <directhex> yeah, non-native m/kbd support blows
[05:01] <directhex> for in game anyways
[05:01] <directhex> there are workarounds tho =P
[05:01] <honkykong> yeah but even still, some developers would get it together, and that'd be
[05:02] <honkykong> as long as cod4 allowed mouseing i'd be happy
[05:02] <honkykong> not to mention if 360 just made their own wiimote type thing it'd totally
[05:03] <directhex> i'll take mouse kbd over that
[05:03] <directhex> too many fps's
[05:05] <directhex> prolly think it will eat into their pc market some how, i don't see the l
[05:06] <directhex> rapid eye movements till underverse come
[05:09] <GoulJusan> time to go i nto the cold... see yer all later :D
[05:09] <kaotrix> Innovative Game : http://www.nekogames.jp/mt/2008/01/cursor10.html
[05:18] <honkykong> lol weird
[05:28] <_kw> gets confusing with all the cursors
[05:28] <_kw> I lost track of which one was me twice
[05:39] <ddh> honkykong Historically third party games requiring special controllers (and spe
[05:40] <directhex> gh being the exception?
[05:40] <ddh> Yeah
[05:40] <ddh> They're doing better now-a-days thanks to DDR
[05:41] <ddh> Gamecube had a couple that I think did alright (That banjo game)
[05:42] <ddh> Remember track and field
[05:44] <honkykong> so why doesnt ms make their own then
[05:44] <honkykong> then it wont be third party
[05:44] <honkykong> worked for wii
[05:45] <ddh> well
[05:45] <honkykong> TELL ME! TELL ME WHY!
[05:45] <ddh> I shouldnt have said third party
[05:45] <ddh> In general if the game requires special hardware to be played it will ahve a sm
[05:47] <honkykong> yeah but lots of games are taking that risk, apparently successfully
[05:47] <honkykong> that eye of the bholder game for instance
[05:47] <ddh> Even Guitar Hero and DDR have smaller markets because of their use of all-but-r
[05:47] <honkykong> any number of goofy camera games
[05:47] <ddh> Well
[05:47] <ddh> Those goofy camera games have bombed since day 1 hehe
[05:47] <honkykong> yeah but its keeping aklaim alive
[05:47] <directhex> gh flew off the shelves this xmas
[05:47] <honkykong> gh3 and rockband are someof the hottest games on the shelf
[05:47] <ddh> directhex Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't popular
[05:47] <honkykong> goofy controller or not
[05:48] <ddh> What I was saying
[05:48] <ddh> Is that there are people who would like the game
[05:48] <ddh> But don't get it due to the price
[05:48] <ddh> Which is caused by the controller
[05:48] <ddh> See what I'm saying?
[05:48] <honkykong> if 360 made a wii type controller it would *fly* off the shelf
[05:48] <honkykong> theres no way around it
[05:48] <ddh> There would be zero games
[05:48] <honkykong> yeah just every fps ever
[05:48] <ddh> Have you played a FPS on the Wii?
[05:48] <honkykong> no i dont fuck with wii's
[05:49] <honkykong> they make my eyes hurt
[05:49] <ddh> They're not as accurate as you think
[05:49] <ddh> Red Steel was absolutely horrible
[05:49] <honkykong> so its not like the controller would have to be required
[05:49] <ddh> right right
[05:49] <honkykong> but its bad mojo not making something like it
[05:49] <directhex> the old light gun only works on crt's, that why you don't see it anymore.
[05:49] <honkykong> its more than capable of doing so
[05:49] <ddh> Now folllow that trail of thinking
[05:49] <ddh> If the controller isn't required
[05:50] <ddh> Why would a company waste time and money implementing it
[05:50] <ddh> If not many games implement it
[05:50] <ddh> Why would a consumer buy it?
[05:50] <honkykong> cause people that have the controller will gobble up games that support i
[05:50] <ddh> And then we have another failed accessory
[05:50] <honkykong> like me with my light gun for ps2
[05:50] <ddh> Yes, all six people.
[05:50] <honkykong> bought every game i could ever find that supported it
[05:50] <honkykong> your logic has sprung a leak
[05:50] <honkykong> i declare myself the winnar
[05:51] <ddh> You, and gamers like you, make up a very small minority
[05:51] <honkykong> rematch?
[05:51] <ddh> Compared to the overall userbase
[05:51] <honkykong> I WIN AGAIN!
[05:51] <honkykong> flawless victory.
[05:51] <directhex> fatality
[05:51] <honkykong> lol
[05:52] <ddh> directhex http://gear.ign.com/articles/689/689009p1.html
[05:52] <directhex> cool
[05:57] * honkykong gets big in the pants
[05:57] <honkykong> i want two of those
[06:08] <kaotrix> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/01/03/funny-pictures-fired-fox/
[06:08] <Ultyma> HACKS
[06:10] <_kw> oh hell, look at the comments
[06:14] <honkykong> canines >>> felines
[06:29] <honkykong> woot free xbox live game http://networks.org/?src=reuters:2008-01-04T1420
[06:29] <honkykong> FUCK
[06:29] <honkykong> i hate that url rewrite shit
[06:29] <honkykong> sec
[06:29] <honkykong> http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyi
[06:32] <Dr_Rambo> ho hem
[06:33] <honkykong> o/
[06:33] <Dr_Rambo> 59 million tiles to download for australia
[06:33] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[06:33] <Cryovat> Did they say which one yet?
[06:33] <Cryovat> I want 400 or 800 points so I can spend it myself
[06:33] <Cryovat> Or Metal Slug
[06:33] <Cryovat> This might easily turn into Free Uno :<
[06:34] <directhex> robotron
[06:34] <honkykong> newp
[06:34] <Dr_Rambo> ops, I mean, 594 MILLION tiles for australia alone
[06:34] <Dr_Rambo> that's for Google Earth
[06:34] <Dr_Rambo> at ZOOM level 18. not even Last zoom level (19)
[06:34] <honkykong> i might get one of those sierra games
[06:34] <Dr_Rambo> which will be 4 times bigger
[06:34] <honkykong> they've been making some good xbla stuff
[06:35] * Dr_Rambo ponders what storage device google got
[06:49] * Swish[\] is now known as Swish
[06:55] <honkykong> wb
[06:56] <ddh> hm
[06:56] <ddh> what xbla game
[06:56] <honkykong> they dont say yet
[06:56] <ddh> yeah
[06:56] <ddh> Im pondering to myself
[06:56] <ddh> Which I would want
[06:57] <honkykong> i think i'd get that sierra space shooter
[06:57] <directhex> hexic
[06:57] <ddh> burger time
[06:57] <directhex> 4 PHREE
[09:03] <kaotrix> check this out everyone : http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Could-You-Explain
[09:09] <honkykong> "In the end, I was unable to teach my brother in law how to make his own
[09:09] <honkykong> LOL
[09:09] <honkykong> i've been there
[09:14] <Ultyma> http://www.digg.com/playable_web_games/GAME_Cursor_10_Play_a_flash_game_with
[09:15] <honkykong> [08:08] <kaotrix> Innovative Game : http://www.nekogames.jp/mt/2008
[09:15] <honkykong> welcome to 4 hours ago :P
[09:15] <kaotrix> ah
[09:15] <kaotrix> I actually got the link from someone else.
[09:15] <kaotrix> and wow it's been 4 hours?
[09:15] <kaotrix> time flies
[09:16] <honkykong> yup
[09:16] <honkykong> it surely does
[09:30] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[10:12] * honkykong hands Sumo91 his missing '1'
[10:14] * Sumo91 is now known as Sumo911
[10:14] <honkykong> lol
[10:14] <Sumo911> :D
[10:14] <Sumo911> thanks :)
[10:14] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:14] <honkykong> np
[10:14] <honkykong> heh hows going
[10:14] <Sumo911> oh pretty good
[10:14] <Sumo911> got a job offer yesterday
[10:14] <Sumo911> met a hottie on newyears
[10:15] <Sumo911> how bout you?
[10:15] <honkykong> pretty good
[10:15] <honkykong> found out the people i went to class with for emt stuff are all failing t
[10:15] <Sumo911> whatcha workin on?
[10:15] <honkykong> a python socket server
[10:16] <honkykong> for juggling data around between flash apps
[10:16] <honkykong> for multiplayer boxacide
[10:16] <Sumo911> cool
[10:16] <Sumo911> cooool!
[10:16] <honkykong> yep soon
[10:16] <honkykong> it'll pwn all
[10:16] <Sumo911> my old roomie is a phyton junkie
[10:16] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:16] <Sumo911> f0sh0
[10:16] <honkykong> this is my first experiment with it
[10:17] <Sumo911> he's dipping into ruby now
[10:17] <Sumo911> but he does mostly web stuff
[10:17] <honkykong> yeah this server should be suitable for making any flash game i ever mak
[10:18] <honkykong> i'm thinking about maybe making a sorta overhead space shooter ala freela
[10:18] <honkykong> after boxacidet hat is
[10:18] <Sumo911> let me know if you ever need any sprites or whatever
[10:18] <honkykong> coo, will do
[10:18] <honkykong> gonna need alpha testers soon
[10:18] <Sumo911> i'm no good with flash but i do well with gfx
[10:18] <Sumo911> cool i'm down
[10:20] <Sumo911> so did you get your cert?
[10:23] <honkykong> yep
[10:23] <honkykong> cant get a job yet tho, cant bass a drug test
[10:23] <honkykong> gradually cleaning out my piss tho
[10:23] <honkykong> fucking anti-pothead bullshit
[10:23] <Sumo911> hehe yep total bullshit
[10:23] <Sumo911> should only take 2 weeks unless you smoke a LOT
[10:24] <Sumo911> some jackass just called me and said that someone with a stolen phone had b
[10:24] <Sumo911> but i never heard of the number before
[10:26] <honkykong> i smoke daily
[10:26] <honkykong> not for the last 5 weeks
[10:26] <honkykong> but before then, two blunts a day, pretty much every day
[10:26] <Sumo911> oh you should be in good shape i'd guess
[10:26] <Sumo911> whew
[10:26] <Sumo911> of kind buds or just regs?
[10:26] <honkykong> some people get drunk and beat their wife
[10:26] <honkykong> i smoke pot
[10:26] <honkykong> to each their own
[10:26] <honkykong> regs usually
[10:27] <honkykong> that'd be a waste of dank
[10:27] <Sumo911> oh you're probably in good shape after 5 weeks
[10:27] <honkykong> hopefully
[10:27] <honkykong> gonna go try to get a job in an ER soon
[10:27] <Sumo911> i've never heard of anyone trying to pass after that long failing one
[10:27] <Sumo911> my bro was an emt and a firefighter
[10:28] <Sumo911> but he had a messy divorce and is finishing up his school for radioligy tec
[10:28] <Sumo911> since he had to leave his dept in another state
[10:29] <Sumo911> i haven't smoked anything for about a week or so but for no real reason i j
[10:29] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:30] <Sumo911> used to drink too much then stopped everything for about 6 years then start
[10:30] <Sumo911> i never liked blunts though.. too much paper
[10:31] <honkykong> yeah i gave up cigs and ever since, a blunt is kinda satisfying like that
[10:31] <honkykong> lol
[10:32] <Sumo911> funny though that they test emts because I know a few surgeons who smoke da
[10:32] <honkykong> its horseshit
[10:32] <honkykong> nothing wrong with pot
[10:32] <Sumo911> i know dentists and surgeons and regular MDs that smoke all the time
[10:32] <Sumo911> yeah
[10:32] <eTrece> my dentist smokes while i am in the chair getting my cavities filled
[10:33] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:33] <Sumo911> hopefully he passes
[10:33] <Sumo911> :P
[10:33] <honkykong> its just the system trying to criminalize everythign wwe let them crimina
[10:33] <honkykong> the rich can get around it, the poor will get pooerer
[10:33] <eTrece> it is teh suck
[10:34] <eTrece> i always think it is crazy that pot is illegal but alcohol is legal
[10:34] <Sumo911> yeah totally backwards
[10:34] <Sumo911> they must make more money busting people for it than they would if they tax
[10:35] <eTrece> probably, it is totally lame
[10:35] <eTrece> i don't know how either cause the war on drugs costs soo much money
[10:36] <honkykong> its all about keeping the natives in check
[10:36] <honkykong> whatever you can do to keep the havenots having not.
[10:36] * honkykong keeps working on his widespread anarchy simulator
[10:36] <eTrece> lol
[10:39] <Sumo911> you ever heard dow chemical is responsible for it being illegal?
[10:40] <honkykong> nah never heard that
[10:41] <Sumo911> yeah i just heard a rumor that dow was in competition with weed so they lob
[10:41] <honkykong> what gets me is oxycontin is the most prolificly profitable illegally use
[10:41] <Sumo911> dunno if it's true but could be
[10:41] <Sumo911> yeah i think rush limbaugh was addicted to that
[10:41] <Sumo911> probably still is
[10:42] <honkykong> yeah while he talks trash about potheads no doubt
[10:42] <Sumo911> the whole time he was saying drug users should be hung he was doped up on i
[10:42] <Sumo911> hypocritic fat sack
[10:43] <honkykong> its maddenign
[10:43] <ddh> Sumo911
[10:43] <ddh> its okay
[10:43] <ddh> God forgave him!
[10:43] <eTrece> someone should shank him with a plastic spork right in the kidneys
[10:43] <Sumo911> lol
[10:43] <honkykong> th ehypocracy of our system
[10:44] <Sumo911> he should be more worried about ME forgiving him :P
[10:44] <ddh> Michael Edwards?
[10:44] <honkykong> makes me so goddamn angry sometimes
[10:46] <Sumo911> at least it seems the laws are loosening
[10:47] <ddh> like a fat bitch named rita
[10:47] <Sumo911> fibers and seeds are not as outlawed now
[10:48] <Sumo911> wow i just looked on wikipedia for the legal penalties for weed and did you
[10:49] <honkykong> :/
[10:49] <honkykong> its time to revolt
[10:49] <ddh> it should be exercised more often
[10:49] <ddh> i could do without so many idiots
[10:49] <honkykong> dont let the creature comforts of society lure you into complacency
[10:49] <Sumo911> well if you're making more than $20 mill per year you're eligable
[10:49] <honkykong> ddh we are everyone
[10:50] <ddh> should be $200 a year
[10:50] <honkykong> and alchohol?
[10:50] <Sumo911> rush would be riding the lightning
[10:51] <ddh> alcohol should be outlawed too
[10:51] <honkykong> in ohio earlier this month we had a drunk with 3 times the legal limit we
[10:51] <honkykong> you dont hear about that kinda shit with potheads
[10:51] <honkykong> it doesnt happen
[10:51] <Sumo911> nope
[10:51] <ddh> hitler was a pothead
[10:51] <ddh> osama? pothead
[10:51] <ddh> ghengis khan? pothead
[10:51] <honkykong> ben franklin: pothead
[10:51] <honkykong> george washington: pothead
[10:51] <ddh> the atomic bomb? pothead
[10:52] <honkykong> urmom: pothead
[10:52] <Sumo911> al gore was a pothead
[10:52] <ddh> no
[10:52] <ddh> mymom: crack addict
[10:52] <Sumo911> crack is bad
[10:52] <honkykong> agreed
[10:54] <Sumo911> wow that prompted a "famous pothead" search
[10:54] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:54] <Sumo911> and wow
[10:54] <honkykong> pretty much every artist ever
[10:54] <Sumo911> nobel prize winners and emporers
[10:54] <honkykong> most of the countries founding fathers
[10:54] <eTrece> every great game developer
[10:54] <honkykong> EVERY great game developer
[10:54] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:54] <honkykong> without fail
[10:55] <eTrece> lol
[10:55] <Sumo911> oh no bush is on the list
[10:55] <Sumo911> :O
[10:56] <honkykong> he's a cokehead too
[10:56] <honkykong> and a closet gay
[10:56] <honkykong> fucking hypocracy
[10:56] <Sumo911> yeah i never want to be invited to one of his parties
[10:57] <Sumo911> he'll do a rail smoke a fatty and then start with his goatse imitations
[10:57] <honkykong> then start shooting poor people
[10:57] <honkykong> and rob you
[10:57] <eTrece> lol
[10:58] <Sumo911> wow the queen.. feynman
[10:58] <Sumo911> quite a list
[10:58] <Sumo911> hehe though the few loud advocates are people like snoopdogg
[10:59] <Sumo911> steve jobs
[10:59] <Sumo911> could have guessed that
[10:59] <Sumo911> hehe
[11:00] <Sumo911> i'm sure gates smoked his share in that VW bus
[11:00] <honkykong> college dropout, ya think?
[11:00] <honkykong> lol
[11:01] <Sumo911> last year i knew one guy who'd never tried weed
[11:01] <Sumo911> out of everyone who tried it nobody thought it should be illegal
[11:01] <Sumo911> then the one guy tried it and he's probabably smoking one right now
[11:02] <Sumo911> ;)
[11:02] <Sumo911> several people i know have tried it but don't like it but don't think it's
[11:03] <Sumo911> i'm not really much of a smoker myself
[11:04] <Sumo911> i'd say if most people were given the choice of 3 drugs to make illegal and
[11:05] <Sumo911> hah carl sagan
[11:05] <Sumo911> damn even newt gengrich
[11:07] <Sumo911> shakespear
[11:08] <honkykong> pisses me off that i've found a perfectly reasonable way to selfmedicate
[11:08] <honkykong> even if i could afford them, and i cant
[11:08] <honkykong> and they get away with it because we tolerate it
[11:09] <Sumo911> anti-depresants are dangerous
[11:09] <Sumo911> possible side effects on most of them include suicide
[11:09] <honkykong> yeah but only for children, young adults, adults, and the elderly
[11:09] <Sumo911> possible side effects of weed are like munchies ;P
[11:09] <Sumo911> lol
[11:10] <Sumo911> possible side effects of anitdepressants to the drug companies are excessiv
[11:10] <honkykong> http://www.eyefetch.com/image.aspx?ID=588864
[11:10] <honkykong> neat pic
[11:10] <Sumo911> lol
[11:11] <Sumo911> that has to be fake
[11:11] <Sumo911> look at how wide the shadow is on the girrafes neck
[11:11] <Sumo911> too wide to be an ostrich neck casting it i think
[11:12] <honkykong> nah that shadow doesnt look odd to me
[11:12] <honkykong> because the neck is very vertical at that point
[11:13] <honkykong> take two vertical objects casting shadows on each other, they're gonna be
[11:13] <Sumo911> yeah but the shadow doesn't look that large next to the giraffe
[11:13] <honkykong> yeah i dunno it doesnt seem fake to me
[11:13] <Sumo911> and if you look closely at the shadow it looks like there is an ear in it
[11:14] <Sumo911> yeah could be
[11:14] <Sumo911> if it's photoshop its pretty damn good
[11:14] <Sumo911> i notice a color bounce on the ostrich at it's chest
[11:16] <Sumo911> brb gonna make some lunch
[11:51] <kaotrix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVm84MD4vU4
[11:55] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[12:12] <honkykong> lol flash
[12:12] <honkykong> so lame
[12:13] <honkykong> hooray for reinventing the fucking scrollbar everytime you wanna do somet
[12:13] <eTrece> lol i hate flash scrollbars
[12:14] <ht7z> hate flash, huhu
[12:14] <eTrece> especially when they don't map keys so you have to click the up/down arrow
[12:39] <honkykong> lol mine doesnt map keys yet
[12:40] * honkykong FAIL
[12:40] <eTrece> haha suck
[12:40] <honkykong> nd
[12:40] <honkykong> it looks like something off the old bw macs even
[12:40] <honkykong> black and white
[12:40] <honkykong> one shade of grey
[12:40] <honkykong> one shade of geigh
[12:41] <honkykong> but... it basically operates like IRC, via flash and python
[12:41] <honkykong> so i'm leet.
[12:41] <honkykong> TAKE THAT, CRAPPY SCROLLBAR!
[12:43] <eTrece> ohh, then in that case it is cool ;P
[12:44] <eTrece> last time i used python i got screwed cause my vimrc was indenting things wr
[12:46] <honkykong> lol yeah thats a killer
[12:47] <honkykong> fucking ident controlled code blocks are for lames
[12:47] <honkykong> but ah well
[12:47] <honkykong> keeps the code short and readable
[13:05] * Cryovat likes brackes :P
[13:05] <Cryovat> +t
[13:08] <honkykong> w00t got my new boots
[13:14] * honkykong kicks some shit
[13:18] <_kw> that's a sure way to get your boots dirty
[13:18] <honkykong> its gonna happen one way or another
[13:18] <_kw> kicking shit though is pretty extreme
[13:18] <honkykong> drunk crackheads gonna be puking on em soon enuff
[13:18] <_kw> you have great friends it seems
[13:18] <honkykong> luckily they're very water proof
[13:18] <honkykong> and steeltoed
[13:18] <honkykong> not my friends
[13:18] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[13:18] <honkykong> these are duty boots
[13:18] <_kw> ah ;P
[13:19] <_kw> I got some shoes like that too a few days ago
[13:19] <_kw> or boots rather
[13:19] <honkykong> for paramedic work
[13:19] <_kw> I got em in the best place to buy boots like that.. germany ;P
[13:19] <honkykong> nice, what kind
[13:19] <_kw> panama jack
[13:19] <honkykong> http://www.threadpit.com/photos/all_styles/195.gif
[13:19] <_kw> big black and leather
[13:19] <honkykong> lol
[13:19] <_kw> haha
[13:20] <honkykong> thats awesome
[13:24] <_kw> http://markenschuhe.de/shop/herrenschuhe/panama-jack/panama-jack-black-black-03
[13:24] <_kw> those are the ones I got
[13:24] <_kw> they're pretty big sturdy boots
[13:25] <eTrece> thems manly!
[13:25] <honkykong> nice
[13:25] <honkykong> http://www.redwingshoes.com/productdetails.aspx?prodid=1204
[13:25] <honkykong> theres the ones i got... except mine have black stiching... dunno why the
[13:39] <_kw> yeah, about the same kinda thing as mine then :)
[13:39] <_kw> mine look grey in the pic I linked, but they're pitch black irl
[13:39] <_kw> it's just the flash that makes em look grey I think
[13:39] <honkykong> lolol http://blog.kavefish.com/archive/humor/nc-state-student-gets-2-girl
[13:41] <Ultyma> lol
[14:02] <honkykong> ugh... too... much... coffee
[14:38] <kaotrix> ftp://ff7@68.109.0.89/
[14:39] <kaotrix> password is "reborn"
[14:39] <kaotrix> steal all the files you can
[14:39] <kaotrix> Merry Christmas
[14:40] <_kw> hehe
[14:40] <_kw> rpg maker
[14:41] <_kw> is this your PC?
[14:41] <kaotrix> nope
[14:41] <kaotrix> some random guy in another IRC
[14:41] <kaotrix> lmao wtf
[14:41] <_kw> ah ok
[14:42] <kaotrix> I'll committ suicide before I use RPG Maker
[14:42] <kaotrix> wtf with wrong with you?
[14:42] <_kw> cos whoever's PC this is, is way too much into jap comics
[14:42] <_kw> first folder is anime
[14:42] <_kw> second is hentai
[14:42] <_kw> third is audio.. which is basically sound tracks from anime
[14:42] <[Relic]> at least they have it sorted :)
[14:42] <_kw> then there's stuff like rpg maker, to make jap style 2d rpgs
[14:42] <kaotrix> I downloaded some widescreen wallpapers already
[14:43] <_kw> I closed the window now :P
[14:43] <_kw> it's all somehow related to anime I think ;P
[14:43] <_kw> although he does have soldat on there, which is good
[14:43] <kaotrix> check in games
[14:43] <kaotrix> he has Call of Duty and some stuff
[14:51] <Crash^_^> hi guys
[14:51] <honkykong> hi
[14:51] <PitDroid> hello, honkykong
[14:54] <honkykong> oh yay
[14:54] <honkykong> flash can either embed arial, or arial bold. but not both.
[15:00] <Sembiance> heh
[15:00] <honkykong> how incredibly lame
[15:00] <Cryovat> Heh
[15:01] <Cryovat> Started discussion Eurosong on another channel and this came up;
[15:01] <Cryovat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdItwaLrv1U&feature=related
[15:01] <Cryovat> Just had to repost it since zombie cheerleaders > *
[15:01] <Cryovat> ;-)
[15:01] <Sembiance> so.. folks
[15:03] <honkykong> so.
[15:25] * _darvish is now known as darvish
[15:30] <honkykong> SO
[15:37] <Sumo911> someone grew up on GWAR
[15:38] <honkykong> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2007/12/30/image/Not%20self-explana
[15:38] <honkykong> wtf
[15:38] <Sumo911> haha!
[15:39] <honkykong> that image disturbs me on many levels
[15:39] <Sumo911> send that over to mcneel
[15:39] <Sumo911> ;P
[15:39] <honkykong> lol
[15:39] <honkykong> it... confounds me
[15:40] <Sumo911> well plainly it's looking for peanuts
[15:40] <honkykong> looking
[15:40] <honkykong> *hard*
[15:40] <Sumo911> hehe
[15:40] <honkykong> leaving no anus unturned
[15:43] * yenal_ is now known as yenal
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[16:02] * Topic is 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008!!!'
[16:02] * Set by Dr_Rambo!Dr_Rambo@frost.d4.ru on Mon Dec 31 17:14:16
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[16:09] <wkr4k3r> how is everyone here doing their convex mesh colliding?
[16:10] <wkr4k3r> with an engine?
[16:10] <wkr4k3r> i have tokamak
[16:10] <wkr4k3r> with the mesh made into boxes... (each frame has a bounding box)
[16:10] <wkr4k3r> and that sucks bigtime
[16:22] <honkykong> got no answers sorry
[16:23] <honkykong> if i'm checking against convex, its generally like 4 rays shot straight d
[16:23] <honkykong> so i can get away with checking against all poly
[16:23] <honkykong> for object ot object collisions its pretty much always bounding spheres o
[16:26] <honkykong> hi aav
[16:26] <honkykong> how goes
[17:06] <Edso> I want to start programming. :-)
[17:07] <DrScratMD> then start
[17:08] <DrScratMD> as a doctor and irc colluge that is my professional advice
[17:08] <Edso> Yes.
[17:09] <Edso> But how do I start.
[17:10] <Edso> =/
[17:11] <chai> noone is gonna feed you the knowledge, go to google and do the searching
[17:12] <Edso> What do I search?
[17:12] <Edso> That is what I need to know
[17:12] <DrScratMD> search for Natalia Villaveces
[17:12] <Edso> Ok.
[17:13] <Edso> Wait
[17:13] <Edso> Thats an actress from Columbia.
[17:13] <Edso> x(
[17:13] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[17:13] <Dr_Rambo> pwnjuice
[17:13] <DrScratMD> but she's hot right?
[17:15] <DrScratMD> [02:02] * DrScrat is now known as DrScratMD
[17:15] <DrScratMD> [02:04] <mikelarry> lol @ dr
[17:15] <DrScratMD> [02:04] <mikelarry> don't lie :P
[17:15] <DrScratMD> [02:08] <DrScratMD> I didn't put myself through years of medical sc
[17:15] <honkykong> <honkykong> <DrScratMD> I didn't put myself through years of
[17:15] <honkykong> <honkykong> well that much is true anywyas
[17:16] <Edso> Ok
[17:16] <DrScratMD> <honkykong> my bf can kick your ass
[17:16] <Edso> So what do I google to start programming?
[17:16] <honkykong> edso: "furry porn"
[17:16] <honkykong> "gay furry porn"
[17:16] <Edso> Im being serious.
[17:16] <honkykong> so am i
[17:16] <DrScratMD> search fo cutie pies
[17:16] <Edso> ...
[17:16] <Sumo911> usually what you'd type if you were asking someone
[17:16] <honkykong> its the secret code word
[17:16] <Sumo911> ie how to program
[17:16] <honkykong> of truly masterful programmers
[17:16] <DrScratMD> there's a video online called Natalia Villaveces's belly button
[17:16] <DrScratMD> its very entertaining
[17:16] <honkykong> "2girls1cup" ftw
[17:17] <Sumo911> lol
[17:17] <honkykong> edso its such an open ended question
[17:17] <Sumo911> yeah that'll get you started
[17:17] <honkykong> what do you want to program
[17:17] <honkykong> what background do you have already
[17:17] <honkykong> how long can you invest in learning
[17:18] <honkykong> at this point i give you about 1 snowballs chance in hell of learning a d
[17:18] <honkykong> no offense
[17:18] <honkykong> its just not looking good for you
[17:18] <Edso> 1. Games
[17:18] <Edso> 2. None
[17:18] <Edso> 2. As long as it takes.
[17:18] <honkykong> how old are you
[17:18] <DrScratMD> its always good to have a backup for #2
[17:18] <honkykong> yes
[17:18] <honkykong> 2a, 2b.
[17:19] <honkykong> edso i'd learn flash then
[17:19] <honkykong> every game you'll make with it WILL suck
[17:19] <honkykong> theres no avoiding that
[17:19] <honkykong> but its something you could concievably learn
[17:19] <honkykong> and it would pave the wya for you to learn shit that doesnt suck
[17:19] <honkykong> or at least, sucks less
[17:20] <Edso> i want to learn real programming
[17:20] <Edso> C++, Java, etc. etc.
[17:20] <honkykong> i believe its hopeless
[17:20] <honkykong> if it wasnt hopeless you wouldnt be here
[17:20] <honkykong> asking for spoonfed knowledge
[17:20] <Sumo911> i learned C++ the other day
[17:21] <_kw> lies
[17:21] <_kw> nobody learns C++ in a single day
[17:21] <honkykong> you'd be clawing it from the corpse of whatever you hunted down on google
[17:21] <Sumo911> hehe
[17:21] <DrScratMD> there is C in 24 hours book
[17:21] <honkykong> LOL
[17:21] <Sumo911> :P
[17:21] <Sumo911> I'm going to learn ruby tonight cause I'm bored
[17:22] <DrScratMD> Edso: start here
[17:22] <DrScratMD> http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Hours-2nd/dp/067231861X
[17:22] <DrScratMD> you have to learn C first, that's where you start
[17:22] <honkykong> dont listen to DrScratMD
[17:22] <honkykong> he's a proctologist
[17:22] <DrScratMD> you don't just start programming games
[17:22] <honkykong> you know what that is?
[17:22] <honkykong> a doctor of ASS
[17:22] <Sumo911> i thought that was rambo
[17:22] <honkykong> are you really gonna listen to someone that keeps their head up a strange
[17:23] <honkykong> what kind of sick twisted freak are you
[17:23] <honkykong> AHAHHAA
[17:23] <honkykong> ^5
[17:23] <honkykong> fucking newbs
[17:23] <honkykong> this is why i should never, under any circumstances, be made an oper here
[17:23] <Sumo911> lol
[17:23] <_kw> heh funny you should mention Sam's actually :P
[17:24] <_kw> saw in another chan 2 hours ago:
[17:24] <_kw> <NotABot> start = Check out Koenig's "Accelerated C++: Practical Programm
[17:24] <Sumo911> maybe he was in a hurry to run off to the bookstore
[17:24] <honkykong> lol
[17:24] <honkykong> 'hey, guy behind the counter? how i become big great game programmer? you
[17:24] <DrScratMD> truthfully tho
[17:25] <DrScratMD> those books are crap for advanced but not for beginners
[17:25] <DrScratMD> they have short chapters and for someone with no experience they work out
[17:25] <honkykong> what, the in 24 hours books?
[17:25] <DrScratMD> to teach them at least with programmin gis
[17:25] <honkykong> or in 21 days?
[17:25] <honkykong> those all completely suck
[17:25] <DrScratMD> any of them
[17:25] <honkykong> i saw one of them was based entirely around mfc
[17:25] <honkykong> like thats ever gonna do anyone any good at all
[17:25] <DrScratMD> the 24 hours don't really mean a day, it means there are 24 hours of read
[17:25] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:25] <Sumo911> the only thing you can do in 21 days is have your period
[17:26] <honkykong> lol
[17:26] <Dr_Rambo> YO Sumo, Honky Scrat
[17:26] <DrScratMD> granted the title is misleading, they shoudl read "become a beginner in 2
[17:26] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:26] <Sumo911> whatup big pimpin? :D
[17:26] <honkykong> hey Dr_Rambo
[17:26] <_kw> doesn't sell as well tho ;)
[17:26] <honkykong> whatup man
[17:26] <_kw> "work hard for 21 days and you're still a noob." vs "work hard for 21 days and
[17:26] <honkykong> every 'in <x amount of time>' book ever sucks
[17:26] <DrScratMD> but those books wouldn't be bad for someone like edso to start out with w
[17:27] <Ghaleon> slaqrz
[17:27] <_kw> the former won't be flying off the shelves
[17:27] <honkykong> been wondering where u wnet too Ghaleon
[17:27] <DrScratMD> they usually have easy stuff in there like comics and entertaining cartoo
[17:27] <honkykong> like 'damn thats a pretty long nap even for him'
[17:27] <Ghaleon> hehe
[17:27] <DrScratMD> and in 21 days they can understand a basic hello world program and take s
[17:27] <_kw> I agree on that Dr_Bimbo
[17:27] <_kw> erm
[17:27] <_kw> DrScratMD
[17:27] <_kw> too many docs in here
[17:27] <DrScratMD> other books are too complicated for people who have no expereince in any
[17:27] <Dr_Rambo> doctor
[17:27] <honkykong> lol
[17:27] <Ghaleon> I was busy playin Mass Effect 'n stuffs
[17:27] <Ziggy-> /nick Dr_Ziggy
[17:27] <Ziggy-> ;D
[17:27] <DrScratMD> the first chapter is the entire 21 days book
[17:27] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:28] <honkykong> DOKTOR OF NOTHING
[17:28] <Ziggy-> they call me 'dr. morton' at work
[17:28] <Ghaleon> DO LET DR_ZIGGY TOUCH YER PRIVATES, HE IS A REAL DOCTAR
[17:28] <Ziggy-> aye!
[17:28] <DrScratMD> plus they just confuse beginners
[17:28] <Ziggy-> pitdroid, aint that right pit?
[17:28] <PitDroid> darn tootin
[17:28] <_kw> they call me 'dr love'
[17:28] <honkykong> mcLovin
[17:29] <honkykong> best name ever
[17:29] <_kw> naw, not really.. but I can dream
[17:29] <Ziggy-> you could fit a 21 day book on one page :P
[17:29] <Ghaleon> DrLowve
[17:29] <_kw> Ziggy- you're a slow reader
[17:29] <Ziggy-> hehe
[17:29] <Ziggy-> not really
[17:29] <_kw> ok in that case
[17:29] <Ziggy-> i read a c++ book one night that was 1200 pages
[17:29] <_kw> you have really big pages
[17:29] <Ziggy-> or so
[17:29] <honkykong> anyone that reads a '21 day' book for the sake of learning will just have
[17:29] <honkykong> cause they're always like 2 chapters about how to use a fucking appwizard
[17:29] <Ziggy-> took me till early morning but thats how i learned c++ ;)
[17:30] <Dr_Rambo> mcLove means son of love
[17:30] <Dr_Rambo> "mc" = son of
[17:30] <Ziggy-> i knew basic c++ already tho
[17:30] <DrScratMD> By David L. Van Popering (Long Island, NY) - See all my reviews
[17:30] <DrScratMD> This review is from: Teach Yourself C in 24 Hours (Sams Teach Yourself) (
[17:30] <DrScratMD> Not knowing anything about C I read this book and learned a tremendous am
[17:30] <_kw> no, it means master of ceremony
[17:30] <_kw> MC Hammer, bro
[17:30] <Sumo911> i get stuck every time I see STD.. just seems too dangerous to me
[17:30] <DrScratMD> that guy got a job after the 21 days book!
[17:30] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:30] <honkykong> DrScratMD yes he can call himself a c programmer and you can call yoursel
[17:30] <honkykong> still doesnt make it so
[17:31] <_kw> hm
[17:31] <_kw> it doesn't?
[17:31] <honkykong> lol no he didnt he "applied" for a job as a programmer
[17:31] <_kw> maybe I shouldn't have performed those abortions then
[17:31] <honkykong> kw first couple fuckups are off the books
[17:31] <DrScratMD> he didn't say he did anything, he just made a comment
[17:31] <_kw> phew
[17:31] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:31] <honkykong> no one keeps score
[17:31] <honkykong> whores are already dead inside anyways so they dont count
[17:32] <DrScratMD> People get too hung up on the "24 hours" or "21 days" in the titles. Some
[17:32] <DrScratMD> Readers of these reviews must be aware that many who make a strike agains
[17:32] <Sumo911> LOL
[17:32] <DrScratMD> that is actually true
[17:32] <DrScratMD> and what has been witnessed here
[17:32] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:32] <Sumo911> i think 3dbuzz has a video on c++
[17:32] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[17:33] <honkykong> lol DrScratMD i will dog you forever for defending the 21 days books
[17:33] <DrScratMD> except with people who are not experienced
[17:33] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:33] <honkykong> forever and evar
[17:33] <Dr_Rambo> I think those selfmade tutorials are god-send
[17:33] <DrScratMD> like honkykong
[17:33] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:33] <Dr_Rambo> way of the future for education
[17:33] <Dr_Rambo> even MIT is doing it now
[17:33] <Dr_Rambo> so, no more lecture at campus in the future
[17:33] <Sumo911> yeah i saw that
[17:33] <Sumo911> itunesu.com
[17:33] <Dr_Rambo> I think those will be entirely phase out
[17:33] <Sumo911> probably youtube as well
[17:33] <DrScratMD> ya
[17:34] <DrScratMD> I think it will just resort to teach yourself, if you have problems come
[17:34] <Dr_Rambo> and exams
[17:34] <DrScratMD> if you have too many problems perhaps you are too stupid to be here
[17:34] <Dr_Rambo> that's the only problem with distant learning
[17:34] <Dr_Rambo> these kind of school still require to provide assessment
[17:34] <Dr_Rambo> and examination require a time, and space
[17:34] <Sumo911> well people tend to rely on the teacher tooo much
[17:35] <Dr_Rambo> which is counter to the distant learning strategy
[17:35] <Sumo911> lot to be said for diggin in and figuring it out
[17:35] <DrScratMD> people tend to have narrow vision
[17:35] <DrScratMD> teacher said A
[17:35] <DrScratMD> I will only learn A
[17:35] <DrScratMD> fuck B
[17:35] <Sumo911> yep
[17:35] <_kw> I thought we were talking about learning C
[17:35] * _kw is puzzled
[17:37] <Sumo911> i had a friend learning c++ at school and he was making an age widget but h
[17:37] <DrScratMD> exactly
[17:37] <DrScratMD> narrow vision
[17:37] <DrScratMD> they aren't interested in actually programming
[17:37] <DrScratMD> they're just interested in the degree and treating it like a job at the s
[17:37] <honkykong> lol after watching a long string of idiots come through here and other pr
[17:37] <DrScratMD> I'll come in, cut some code today
[17:38] <Sumo911> they'll be our bitches one day ;P
[17:38] <honkykong> the assignments are retarded and generally seem devised by someone with 0
[17:38] <Sumo911> tell them they'll be your bitch and that's probably the best assignment you
[17:38] <Sumo911> hehe
[17:38] <DrScratMD> the education system generates a 1 in 20 or higher competent programmer
[17:38] <DrScratMD> maybe 1 in 50
[17:38] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:39] <honkykong> i'd say irc generates a far higher percentage
[17:39] <honkykong> i credit newb-hatred for that
[17:39] <honkykong> trial by fire
[17:39] <Sumo911> lol
[17:39] <Sumo911> f0sh0
[17:39] <honkykong> weakness is mocked and frowned up from day one
[17:39] <honkykong> not coddled and apologized for
[17:39] <DrScratMD> I have interviewed countless developers who were just out of college with
[17:40] <honkykong> maybe you're just an ass
[17:40] <DrScratMD> this is a general thing, there is more work than people who are smart eno
[17:40] <DrScratMD> maybe you're just not smart enough
[17:40] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:41] <Dr_Rambo> I can never understand why ppl with professional degree gets PHD and wants
[17:41] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[17:41] <honkykong> so's your face
[17:41] <DrScratMD> PHD and MS are kinda fucked in CS
[17:42] <DrScratMD> You can graduate with a BS and get a job as basicaly entyr level
[17:42] <DrScratMD> however if you take 1 1/2 to 2 years more school
[17:42] <DrScratMD> you're still inexperienced
[17:42] <DrScratMD> yet you start higher than a BS
[17:42] <DrScratMD> in what would take a BS longer to achieve than 2 years
[17:42] <DrScratMD> and if you get a PHD you start most places as senior
[17:43] <DrScratMD> even though, you have no expereince, perhaps you did a research project
[17:43] <DrScratMD> and most of those projects are not real life and could not be done in rea
[17:43] <DrScratMD> "well, if you had infinite memory and processing power, here's an example
[17:43] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:43] <DrScratMD> oh and all the processes are UP too
[17:44] <DrScratMD> great, here's your PHD
[17:44] <DrScratMD> also, if you do hire a PHD their knowledge isn't in expereince but rather
[17:45] <DrScratMD> so you best hire one that has their dissentary in something relevant to t
[17:46] <Sumo911> i figure the best way to hire is drug testing
[17:46] <DrScratMD> if they test postive hire them?
[17:46] <honkykong> must piss dirty to get hired?
[17:46] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:46] <honkykong> lol
[17:46] <Sumo911> if they have plenty of drugs and caffeine they're good to go
[17:46] <honkykong> nice
[17:46] <Sumo911> hehe
[17:46] <DrScratMD> I interviewed a guyfrom ATI once who didn't know anything about kernel no
[17:47] <DrScratMD> in fact, some people in this channel know the guy
[17:47] <DrScratMD> Ghaleon does actually
[17:47] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:48] <DrScratMD> I didn't understand how he was fixing blue screens @ ATI
[17:48] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:50] <_kw> there was a dutch job ad for a sysadmin a while ago actually, saying that they
[17:51] <_kw> :P
[17:51] <DrScratMD> haha
[17:51] <DrScratMD> did it say "single"
[17:52] <_kw> I think that's pretty much implied by the rest
[17:52] <DrScratMD> sounds more like a personal ad
[17:52] <_kw> hehe well
[17:52] <_kw> they probably knew from experience that those are usually the best guys to have
[17:53] <Dr_Rambo> I don't think corporation knows what to look for these days
[17:53] <Dr_Rambo> saw a job ads on CGCHANNEL.COM few months b4, they were looking for chief
[17:53] <DrScratMD> haha
[17:53] <Dr_Rambo> the company advertising it is Raytheon. LOL. the company that makes TOMHAW
[17:53] <DrScratMD> I would rather have the title Czar programmer
[17:54] <Dr_Rambo> I suppose they are thinking maybe a cgartist is good enough to be chief pr
[17:54] <_kw> rofl, http://www.lushtshirts.co.uk/images/products/not-a-geek.jpg
[17:54] <Sumo911> haha
[17:55] <_kw> it's especially funny cos my gf's been meaning to buy this shirt: http://www.th
[17:56] <_kw> (after she saw Sembiance's gf wearing it)
[17:56] <_kw> and I told her not to
[17:56] <_kw> if she does end up buying it, I'll have to buy that shirt I posted
[17:59] <Dr_Rambo> LULZ
[17:59] <Dr_Rambo> level 9 warlord
[17:59] <DrScratMD> huhu
[17:59] <DrScratMD> http://www.8ball.co.uk/tshirt/3/27119/T-Shirts/Slogan-&-Funny-T-Shirts/Sm
[18:00] <_kw> meh
[18:02] <DrScratMD> I think that shirt is a geek test
[18:02] <DrScratMD> if you don't laugh you're a geek
[18:02] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:04] <Sembiance> well that's that
[18:04] <_kw> the old emperor's clothes strategy it is eh?
[18:05] <Sembiance> I've moved World of Solitaire to a new server
[18:05] <_kw> woop
[18:05] <Sembiance> also moved from MySQL to PostgreSQL in the process
[18:05] <Sembiance> should take a few days for DNS to propagate
[18:05] <honkykong> how'd that transition treat ya
[18:06] <honkykong> i've considered the same
[18:06] <_kw> was just talking about you ;)
[18:06] <honkykong> mysql -> postgresql
[18:06] <DrScratMD> http://www.matthewbarr.co.uk/geek/
[18:06] <DrScratMD> geek test
[18:06] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:06] <honkykong> kw ?
[18:07] <Sembiance> honkykong: it wasn't too bad :)
[18:07] <_kw> about Sembiance
[18:07] <Sembiance> honkykong: some key lessons learned though
[18:08] <_kw> You are 57.5% geeky.
[18:08] <_kw> I'm a geek it seems.. but not by much
[18:09] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:09] <DrScratMD> how did you get such a high score
[18:09] <_kw> just click yes a lot
[18:09] <Sembiance> honkykong: This is how I got my data out: mysqldump -v -nt --compatible=a
[18:09] <honkykong> lol i was 98% math nerd
[18:09] <DrScratMD> are you a star trek fan?
[18:09] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:09] <_kw> I rounded off towards 'yes' whenever I was in doubt
[18:09] <honkykong> cool thats a lot like how i make my backups
[18:09] <_kw> I watched star trek for a year or so when I was 15, so I selected yet
[18:09] <_kw> yes
[18:10] <Sembiance> honkykong: I then made the tables manually in postgresql, then imported t
[18:10] <_kw> haven't watched startrek for like 10 years, but meh
[18:10] <Sembiance> honkykong: One thing to keep in mind, if you have millions of rows, it's
[18:10] <_kw> honkykong - it gave you 98%?!
[18:10] <Sembiance> hokykong: It handled 22 million world of solitaire rows in the blink of a
[18:11] <honkykong> kw ya i'm very nerdy
[18:11] <_kw> holy hell
[18:11] <honkykong> it also gave me 99% dork/ackward :(
[18:11] <_kw> that's like 'yes' to all but one question
[18:11] <honkykong> huh
[18:11] <honkykong> maybe diff test? the one i took was abcd questions, not yes/no
[18:11] <_kw> [03:06:24] <DrScratMD> http://www.matthewbarr.co.uk/geek/
[18:11] <_kw> [03:06:27] <DrScratMD> geek test
[18:12] <honkykong> and it rated your nerd score in 4 categories
[18:12] <_kw> oh
[18:12] <_kw> link me
[18:12] <honkykong> oh ok
[18:12] <honkykong> hmm sec
[18:12] <_kw> I wanna know how nerdy I am, and in what direction ;P
[18:12] <_kw> I'm guessing reasonably nerdy in the computer direction
[18:13] <Sembiance> I'm only 62.5% geeky
[18:13] <Sembiance> I give that geek test only 1 out of 5 phasers.
[18:14] <honkykong> http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nt2.php
[18:14] <DrScratMD> haha
[18:14] <DrScratMD> I got like 40%
[18:15] <Dr_Rambo> I got like ... 0%
[18:15] <Dr_Rambo> I am all man!
[18:15] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:15] <chai> just put yes to all and you're geeky
[18:15] <DrScratMD> some of those questions were retard tho
[18:16] <Sembiance> +honkykong: too frickin long
[18:16] * _kw takes the second nerd test
[18:16] <DrScratMD> what second nerd test
[18:16] <honkykong> i'm 82.5% geeky by that tests standards
[18:16] <chai> hey 40% geeky
[18:16] <DrScratMD> there are a lot online just google
[18:16] <chai> I'm surprised
[18:17] <DrScratMD> if you don't like star trek, haven't play wolf craft or whatever and don'
[18:17] <DrScratMD> you basicaly get a low score
[18:17] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:18] <chai> 40% is pretty high
[18:18] <honkykong> i call the force 'chi'
[18:18] <honkykong> same idea tho
[18:18] <chai> I think I need to buy glasses now
[18:18] <DrScratMD> well, you get a 20% for being a human
[18:18] <DrScratMD> and then another 10% for free
[18:18] <DrScratMD> and the last 10% is because you're a developer
[18:18] <DrScratMD> hence 40%
[18:18] <DrScratMD> huhu
[18:18] <chai> ah cool :)
[18:18] <chai> that makes perfect sense now
[18:20] <Sembiance> hrm
[18:21] <DrScratMD> http://www.bookingwiz.com/hotels.asp?searchType=hotel&process=referrer&mi
[18:25] <_kw> god that test is long
[18:26] <DrScratMD> lol
[18:26] <_kw> finished now tho
[18:26] <DrScratMD> if you're taking some long test, then at the end it shouldn't even score
[18:26] <_kw> 56% on comp/tech nerdiness
[18:26] <_kw> that's my highest
[18:27] <chai> heh
[18:27] <_kw> only 17% awkward
[18:27] <_kw> that's comforting
[18:27] <DrScratMD> haha
[18:27] <DrScratMD> whats the url
[18:28] <_kw> [03:14:23] <honkykong> http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nt2.php
[18:28] <_kw> be warned, it seriously takes like 10 mins
[18:28] <DrScratMD> if you scroll down tothe bottom, its not done?
[18:28] <DrScratMD> says last question
[18:28] <DrScratMD> is it multiple pages?
[18:28] <_kw> no
[18:28] <_kw> single pag
[18:28] <_kw> e
[18:29] <_kw> if you finish it faster, that's extra geek points tho
[18:29] <_kw> ;-)
[18:29] <DrScratMD> haha
[18:30] <_kw> http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/5be8316962c1395e.png
[18:30] <_kw> that's me
[18:31] <_kw> oh, those %'s are including people that scored the same
[18:31] <_kw> the figures I mentioned earlier are the % that scored lower
[18:42] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[18:42] <Dr_Rambo> maybe they shuold do a game developer test
[18:43] <Ghaleon> a game slaqr test
[18:44] <Dr_Rambo> hmm what the hell is ERP system?
[18:44] <Dr_Rambo> oh, Enterprise resource planning. hmm
[18:46] <DrScratMD> haha, you knew what that was?
[18:47] <Dr_Rambo> Google made me GAWD
[18:47] <Dr_Rambo> without google I am nothing
[18:47] <DrScratMD> I was at first thinking it was EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon)
[18:47] <Dr_Rambo> LOL, now that sounds like some Marine matra
[18:54] <Ghaleon> _kw: I am "Highly Dorky Nerd God", bow to me
[18:55] <_kw> haha
[18:55] * _kw kisses Ghaleon's Jar Jar ring
[18:55] <Ghaleon> http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/f1c8952227a03194.png
[18:56] <honkykong> i'm a bigger dork than you Ghaleon
[18:56] <honkykong> so uh.. TAKE THAT!
[18:56] <honkykong> so far i've far eclipsed all other dorks, i hate to say
[18:57] <honkykong> i think we're tied on the computer nerd part tho, i cant find my results
[18:57] <Ghaleon> http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/42dc52c77a6a4c95.jpg
[18:57] <Ghaleon> check that one out
[18:57] <Ghaleon> it's enhanced
[18:57] <honkykong> LOL
[18:57] <honkykong> thats awesome
[18:58] <_kw> rofl
[18:58] <honkykong> werz ur parrot?
[18:58] <honkykong> you should take that pic again sometime witha kittah on your shoulder
[18:59] * Ghaleon changes topic to 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: http://
[19:01] <GrantaX\0> I'm pretty much a beginning game programmer. I've made some games, but I'
[19:01] <Ghaleon> honkykong: ninja theefs kittah http://home.comcast.net/~zphreak/Ninja3.jpg
[19:02] <GrantaX\0> Should I use surfaces for things that doesn't change often?
[19:02] <honkykong> lol
[19:02] <GrantaX\0> I mean like text, 2D grid ..
[19:02] <honkykong> i think i would GrantaX\0
[19:02] <Ghaleon> GrantaX\0: not necessarily
[19:02] <Ghaleon> a 2D grid could be lines
[19:02] <Ghaleon> but it could be a texture
[19:02] <Ghaleon> just depends
[19:03] <Ghaleon> for text you get a pretty good speedup by using textures
[19:03] <honkykong> its a good excuse to built way overboard resource monitoring debug code i
[19:04] <GrantaX\0> Ghaleon: Yeah, I wasn't sure about that. I mean, lines are simple 'shapes
[19:04] <honkykong> and see for yourself what the speed benefits are vs memory usage / code p
[19:05] <Ghaleon> yesch
[19:05] <Ghaleon> btw
[19:05] <Ghaleon> http://0-zone.msn.com.millennium.unicatt.it/en/joboosgems/default.htm
[19:05] <Ghaleon> my frenz made dis
[19:05] <honkykong> i'd say that how often the shit changes, and how often its displayed, vs
[19:06] <honkykong> coo
[19:06] <honkykong> i gots my socket server working btw
[19:06] <honkykong> its pretty leet
[19:07] <honkykong> cool, makes me wanna finish my 'dropping blocks' game
[19:07] <Ghaleon> did u remember to wear sockets before puttin on yer shoes?
[19:07] <honkykong> now that i got a nice multiplayer server made up maybe thats what i'll do
[19:07] <honkykong> nah i'm flying indian today
[19:07] <honkykong> socks are fuck suckas and newbs
[19:09] <kozmoafk> wtf honky
[19:09] <kozmoafk> you say the oddest shit
[19:09] * kozmoafk is now known as kozmonaut
[19:11] <honkykong> lol
[19:23] <Dr_Rambo> http://www.nerdtests.com/images/badge/nt2/b2bc201d8f44a851.png
[19:23] <Dr_Rambo> man, I am only slightly dorky
[19:24] <honkykong> no thats actually pretty dorky :P
[19:24] <Dr_Rambo> oh thanks!
[19:26] <honkykong> lol well you seemed bummed out about it :P
[19:29] <Dr_Rambo> yeh, how can I let Ghaleon that jock take the title
[19:30] <honkykong> no ones taking down my dork score
[19:30] <honkykong> i think it was 99%
[19:30] <honkykong> either 98 or 99
[19:30] <honkykong> 3 of my scores were upper 90s
[19:31] <honkykong> i should put that test on my resume
[19:31] <Dr_Rambo> heh
[19:31] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[19:34] <h0uselap> hello gurus. i'm looking to have a game developed for my website, www. Ba
[19:34] <kozmonaut> an rpg prehapes?
[19:34] <h0uselap> i'm afraid not
[19:34] <kozmonaut> haha, your loss!
[19:35] <h0uselap> right? ;)
[19:35] <h0uselap> well i'd consider it
[19:35] <h0uselap> but not yet
[19:36] <h0uselap> i'm looking to have a memory game made using the 96x96px avatars on the si
[19:37] <h0uselap> you know, the whole card-flipping, find-the-matching-avatar deal
[19:38] <chai> lmao - http://www.badassbuddy.com/avatars/ridefatties_avatar/
[19:39] <h0uselap> so if anybody is looking for some work and would like to show off their pr
[19:39] <h0uselap> 'pologize for the adverts, google rev is in the crapper
[19:40] <kozmonaut> kraft the happy sandwich?
[19:41] <h0uselap> kraft the happy $50 G's in his pocket sandwich, yea
[19:41] <kozmonaut> haha
[19:41] <kozmonaut> some user was like
[19:41] <kozmonaut> i'll never log onto your buggy rpg again
[19:42] <kozmonaut> and there he is online
[19:42] <kozmonaut> maybe ill go frag him
[19:42] <kozmonaut> wityh my super sorc
[19:42] <kozmonaut> ill cast meter swarm and pwn him and all his pets
[19:45] <h0uselap> ...reading back on my drunken typing, when i said 'show off their profile'
[20:20] <DrScratMD> [19:45] <h0uselap> ...reading back on my drunken typing, when i sai
[20:53] <kozmonaut> new build uploaded
[20:56] <kozmonaut> http://koarpg.com
[21:04] <_kw> heh
[21:04] <_kw> I'm kinda envious of that project
[21:04] <_kw> seems like something fun to do
[21:06] <kozmonaut> yeah its neat, cause if im in the mood to write, ill make some cool quest
[21:06] <kozmonaut> if i feel like scripting, ill put either the scripts for the quests or le
[21:06] <kozmonaut> art same thing
[21:07] <_kw> :)
[21:22] <kozmonaut> che4ck it out kw u slacker!
[21:22] <kozmonaut> i even made an npc of you
[21:32] <DrScratMD> Auspiex is kinda gay tho
[21:32] <DrScratMD> the name
[21:33] <DrScratMD> huhu
[21:33] <DrScratMD> should have named it kingdom of demons
[21:34] <DrScratMD> huhu just messing, its cool
[21:41] <Decept404> hollaaaar
[21:42] <kozmonaut> yeh
[21:42] <kozmonaut> well the title is working
[21:42] <kozmonaut> kingdom signifies singular insted of plural
[21:42] <kozmonaut> im trying to think of other names
[21:47] <DrScratMD> Kingdom of Ambianis
[21:49] <DrScratMD> King Mortis Letum
[21:49] <DrScratMD> huhu
[21:49] <kozmonaut> be serious!
[21:49] <DrScratMD> keeper of the golden Moleste Fero
[21:50] <DrScratMD> http://www.math.ubc.ca/~cass/frivs/latin/latin-dict-full.html
[21:56] <honkykong> Felcher of a Crystaline Anus
[21:58] <kozmonaut> as you guys have no creativity
[21:59] <DrScratMD> That's creative huhu, latin has cool words. made up words sound made up
[21:59] <DrScratMD> huhu
[21:59] <DrScratMD> so you look for other language words
[21:59] <DrScratMD> because they don't sound made up
[22:01] <kozmonaut> i like the word blight
[22:02] <honkykong> Jizzmonkey the Destructor
[22:03] <honkykong> The Fondling of the Shrew
[22:04] <kozmonaut> dude..
[22:05] <kozmonaut> i guess its too much to ask for even a single iota of intelligence
[22:06] <DrScratMD> what are you talking about kozmonaut?
[22:06] <kozmonaut> <honkykong> Jizzmonkey the Destructor
[22:07] <kozmonaut> <honkykong> Felcher of a Crystaline Anus
[22:07] <DrScratMD> oh
[22:07] <kozmonaut> like seriously..
[22:07] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:07] <kozmonaut> your trying at least! :{)(
[22:07] <DrScratMD> Poop king and pee queen! yay!
[22:07] <kozmonaut> i spoke in haste..
[22:07] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:07] <DrScratMD> King Barnabus
[22:08] <kozmonaut> was thinking blight of auspiex
[22:08] <DrScratMD> I think you should change auspiex because it sounds too fake with the x
[22:08] <kozmonaut> yeah
[22:08] <DrScratMD> no kingdom has x in it
[22:08] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:08] <DrScratMD> they usually have some common suffix type
[22:08] <kozmonaut> it was a made up word from the real word auspiecous or whateva
[22:09] <DrScratMD> con(dor), mor(dor), gon(dor), ro(han) but agian, you don't want to make
[22:09] <kozmonaut> but yeah, i dont dig auspiex, mainly cause its to hard to tell someone wh
[22:09] <kozmonaut> their always like, how do you sepll that
[22:10] <DrScratMD> but that's just an example, you need something simple, that sounds good
[22:10] <kozmonaut> yeah
[22:10] <sort> how do you even pronounce it ? :p
[22:10] <kozmonaut> i need something that sets a cool theme + gets the fact that its lots of
[22:10] <kozmonaut> kinda like au-speaks
[22:10] <sort> oz pee x ?
[22:11] <kozmonaut> or aw-speaks
[22:11] <Decept404> you should do like they did with the wonderboy games
[22:11] <Decept404> like wonderboy in ninja world
[22:11] <Decept404> like wonderboy in monster world
[22:11] <kozmonaut> hehe
[22:11] <kozmonaut> well its a mmo
[22:11] <Decept404> just call your world space world
[22:11] <Decept404> or fantasy world
[22:11] <Decept404> or something
[22:11] <kozmonaut> so its constant
[22:12] <Decept404> i like it when names are just dumb enough to fall under the radar
[22:12] * [2]h0usel is now known as h0usehe4d
[22:13] <kozmonaut> well i need to get accross in the title, that its nostalgic, pvp and stor
[22:13] <Decept404> nostalgic pvp in story world
[22:13] <kozmonaut> haha
[22:13] <Decept404> or... wait..
[22:13] <Decept404> nostalgic pvp stories!
[22:13] <kozmonaut> hehe
[22:13] <kozmonaut> tagline "write your own today"
[22:14] <Decept404> someone should make a game where players can make their own quests
[22:14] <Decept404> and it'd work like those stupid forums
[22:14] <Decept404> where dudes write one paragraph
[22:14] <Decept404> then others write followups to it
[22:14] <Decept404> and the story kind of just naturally writes itself because of what paragr
[22:14] <kozmonaut> yeah, i really wanna get a tilesystem in, so players can design their own
[22:15] <kozmonaut> or buy it from us, for a larger price
[22:15] <kozmonaut> having a story system would be cool too
[22:16] <kozmonaut> if i did it right, i could probibly release like a small zone editer
[22:16] <kozmonaut> where players can write their own content like dialog and quests, with ar
[22:17] <kozmonaut> then we can join it dynamicly with a small download to all users
[22:17] <kozmonaut> which would be like 1 meg
[22:18] <kozmonaut> and we can quality control it, to make sure, there is no exploits, or bug
[22:18] <Decept404> what you can do
[22:18] <Decept404> is have an npc that's like an explorer character, that can take you place
[22:18] <Decept404> and the user created content is where he can take you
[22:18] <DrScratMD> Dwarflore, Ironore, Montrove, Forest Grove, Woodsland, Woodlore, Woodlo
[22:19] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:19] <Decept404> so you don't have to build it into your world
[22:19] <Decept404> but make self contained dungeons
[22:19] <kozmonaut> well in order for all players to see it
[22:19] <kozmonaut> cause my data is localized
[22:19] <Decept404> it'd be almost like the mission terminals in AO, with transport
[22:19] <kozmonaut> yeah thats a good idea..
[22:20] <kozmonaut> but the bad part, is all zone info/data is stored on the clients end
[22:20] <kozmonaut> so to update it all, users need to download that info
[22:20] <kozmonaut> is why i release updates and stuff, that includes all the new content
[22:20] <kozmonaut> so all users have the same files/data/graphics/code loaded
[22:20] <Decept404> you should make it so the needed content is downloaded when needed for th
[22:20] <kozmonaut> i cant, it has to be a fullupdate
[22:20] <kozmonaut> actually.
[22:20] <kozmonaut> i do have weblinks in
[22:21] <Decept404> i want to play DrScratMD's hot babe wallpaper loldungeon, it'll be downlo
[22:21] <kozmonaut> i could have you walk to the dungeon then say, unless you run this update
[22:21] <DrScratMD> the latina dungeon
[22:21] <kozmonaut> then also, thats incentive for people to maybe buy future patches/upgrade
[22:21] <kozmonaut> like "you cant enter this, because you dont have the expansion"
[22:22] <kozmonaut> i like the idea of an npc guide char tho
[22:22] <kozmonaut> to show the new players around
[22:22] <DrScratMD> the bad part about on demand download is that you cannot play on the air
[22:23] <DrScratMD> so should be options
[22:23] <DrScratMD> on demand download, always check for updates while online, prompt for dow
[22:24] <kozmonaut> ah
[22:24] <kozmonaut> no, i'd set it up
[22:24] <kozmonaut> so you see the zone marker
[22:24] <kozmonaut> but you cant enter unless you download, which you get an in game promopt
[22:24] <DrScratMD> then when I'mon the plane i have to stop playing once I reach the marker
[22:24] <kozmonaut> no, you could do everything else, but enter it
[22:25] <kozmonaut> but its online, so you need a consistent connection anyways
[22:25] <DrScratMD> oh, you can't do offline play anyway?
[22:25] <kozmonaut> nope
[22:25] <kozmonaut> most players actions are sent to the server, then bounced back
[22:25] <kozmonaut> so in pvp, if you do 10 damage to ghaleon
[22:25] <DrScratMD> ok, ya, then ondemad is basically fine then they just have to delay the g
[22:25] <kozmonaut> the server takes that damage and sends it to ghaleons client
[22:26] <kozmonaut> but most actions are localized
[22:26] <kozmonaut> right now server actions are like, hitting events, switches, anything to
[22:27] <DrScratMD> people can play your game right now?
[22:27] <kozmonaut> yeah
[22:27] <kozmonaut> i had like 50 users online at one time before x-mas
[22:27] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:27] <DrScratMD> cool
[22:27] <kozmonaut> mainly its alpha, so just people i hype it to, play it
[22:27] <DrScratMD> how much are you charging
[22:27] <kozmonaut> nothing
[22:27] <kozmonaut> they all giving me bug reports, and stuff so i can fix things
[22:27] <DrScratMD> what are you going to charge at release
[22:28] <Decept404> one million dollars!
[22:28] <kozmonaut> im thinking 30$ for a download, charging nothing monthly, but charge for
[22:28] <DrScratMD> has anyone said they would pay
[22:28] <kozmonaut> yeah, a fair number
[22:29] <DrScratMD> any of the current users
[22:29] <DrScratMD> how much do you pay for the server
[22:29] <kozmonaut> about 50$ a month, then once i make money or get more investment, gonna h
[22:29] <kozmonaut> my overhead is preety low
[22:30] <kozmonaut> i figure, give people the initial great experience, get them hooked or in
[22:30] <kozmonaut> or if not, at least i got the initial 30$
[22:30] <kozmonaut> and hey, they might try again in a few months, then get interested
[22:31] <kozmonaut> im even thinking of releasing a special try before you buy client
[22:31] <kozmonaut> where you can lvl to like lvl 5 max
[22:31] <honkykong> charge them sexual favors
[22:32] <honkykong> a handjob for magic dungeon adventoor
[22:32] <kozmonaut> so many cliches come to mind when i hear honky speak
[22:33] <kozmonaut> like "Wtf do you live in your moms basement" " what are you a 5 year old"
[22:33] <honkykong> lol
[22:33] <kozmonaut> like everything a noob ever said after he got ganked in pvp
[22:33] <honkykong> lol hey i got a great name for your game
[22:33] <honkykong> how about
[22:33] <kozmonaut> what do you guys think of that kinda approach for payment
[22:33] <honkykong> RPGMaker Demo File #2
[22:33] <honkykong> lol
[22:34] <kozmonaut> im trying to think of something that hasnt been done
[22:34] <Decept404> hahahaha ouch
[22:34] <kozmonaut> i like guildwars approach to their scheme
[22:34] <kozmonaut> like initial client, no monthly fees, pay for expansions
[22:35] <kozmonaut> it hooks both the casual gamer, who has limited time, and a hardcore game
[22:35] <kozmonaut> the hardcore moreso, cause they can play multiable mmos, but say, the typ
[22:36] <kozmonaut> like i see so many mmo posts when any new game comes out, and most people
[22:39] <DrScratMD> kozmonaut: do you hvae a day job
[22:40] <DrScratMD> or will this be your only income
[22:42] <kozmonaut> i have 2 jobs
[22:42] <kozmonaut> i teach game dev related stuff, and work at some internet place
[22:42] <kozmonaut> + freelance on the side
[22:43] <DrScratMD> where do you teach game de
[22:43] <DrScratMD> v
[22:43] <honkykong> } else if (command == "ROOMLIST") {
[22:43] <honkykong> debugOut("Room list recieved: '"+comdata+"'");
[22:43] <honkykong> }
[22:43] <honkykong> :/ sorry
[22:43] <DrScratMD> digitial penetentary
[22:43] <DrScratMD> ?
[22:43] <kozmonaut> oh, at PAVI
[22:43] <honkykong> http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/7463/mine1pb4.swf
[22:43] <honkykong> lil blast from the past there, i ever show yall my lil minesweeper implem
[22:44] <honkykong> kinda fun you can get a lil bit opened up and hit 'solve' and it should s
[22:44] <honkykong> usually gets more than that
[22:44] <honkykong> shift-click to mark a tile as a bomb if you want to play it normally
[22:44] <DrScratMD> :: Pacific Audio Visual Institute ?
[22:45] <kozmonaut> yeah
[22:45] <DrScratMD> what internetplace?
[22:45] <kozmonaut> why hehe
[22:45] <DrScratMD> just wondering
[22:45] <DrScratMD> I want to know wtf a internet place is
[22:45] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:45] <kozmonaut> do you live in van?
[22:45] <DrScratMD> vancouver? nope
[22:46] <kozmonaut> damn, if you signed up with the school i work at and drop my name, i get
[22:46] <DrScratMD> haha, signed up for what
[22:46] <kozmonaut> i dunno some program
[22:46] <kozmonaut> the recording studio is huge there
[22:46] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:46] <kozmonaut> like tons of canadaian bands/artistr record there
[22:46] <DrScratMD> you want to give me a record deal?
[22:46] <DrScratMD> I didn't know you were that fond of my music
[22:47] <kozmonaut> hehe
[22:47] <kozmonaut> i'm a bit of a musician myself.
[22:47] <DrScratMD> lets form a band
[22:47] <DrScratMD> I'll be the singer
[22:47] <kozmonaut> you know
[22:48] <kozmonaut> i wanna form one of the bands that i play the broomhandle on a pail with
[22:48] <kozmonaut> like clothes roller with sticks as a drum
[22:48] <DrScratMD> perhaps emit otter can help you
[22:48] <honkykong> a hodown?
[22:48] <kozmonaut> jug with xxx
[22:48] <kozmonaut> you blow on it, and goes ooo ooo hooo hooo
[22:48] <kozmonaut> i think + a dj, that band would rule
[22:48] <honkykong> dont you never, EVER stop in the middle of a hodown
[22:48] <DrScratMD> so what internet company?
[22:48] <DrScratMD> like an ISP
[22:48] <DrScratMD> or a .COM
[22:49] <kozmonaut> like a company that makes hosting apps, like shopping carts
[22:49] <DrScratMD> so you develop shopping carts ?
[22:49] <kozmonaut> mainly i just manage their networks
[22:49] <kozmonaut> like internal and external + our web content
[22:49] <DrScratMD> which is the internet
[22:49] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:50] <kozmonaut> not saying sucker.
[22:50] <DrScratMD> So you get enough time off for 2 jobs?
[22:50] <DrScratMD> how often do you teach then, how often at the school
[22:51] <kozmonaut> i have about 3 days a week to myself
[22:51] <kozmonaut> which 1 is chill out
[22:51] <DrScratMD> so these are all part times
[22:51] <kozmonaut> yeah, i set my own hours
[22:51] <kozmonaut> average day is about 6 hours
[22:51] <DrScratMD> you don't have tenure at the school, don't make 150k/yr like most profess
[22:52] <kozmonaut> no no
[22:52] <kozmonaut> just contract stuff
[22:52] <kozmonaut> i have the freelance mentality,
[22:52] <DrScratMD> how many classes you teach
[22:52] <kozmonaut> a few
[22:52] <DrScratMD> so that's 2 in mathematics?
[22:52] <kozmonaut> maybe!~
[22:52] <honkykong> :/
[22:53] <DrScratMD> what classes do you teach
[22:53] <DrScratMD> 3d?
[22:53] <kozmonaut> i was never good at math
[22:53] <DrScratMD> 2d?
[22:53] <kozmonaut> depends on the semester
[22:53] <DrScratMD> this one
[22:54] <DrScratMD> http://www.pacificav.com/graphics/PAVIaction_09.jpg <-- have you fucke
[22:54] <kozmonaut> she works there
[22:54] <DrScratMD> have you fucked her yet tho
[22:54] <kozmonaut> haha, prehapes..
[22:55] <DrScratMD> so the game school only has 12 coures
[22:56] <DrScratMD> huhu
[22:56] <DrScratMD> are you the teacher or assistant teacher
[22:56] <kozmonaut> how many did yours have?
[22:56] <DrScratMD> I didn't go to game school
[22:56] <kozmonaut> ah, you did uni engineering?
[22:57] <DrScratMD> yes
[22:57] <honkykong> no he went to med school
[22:57] <kozmonaut> what school
[22:57] <honkykong> he got a doktorate in horse feces
[22:57] <DrScratMD> california university of Pennsylvania
[22:58] <honkykong> southern baptist mens choir college
[22:58] <kozmonaut> haha
[22:58] <DrScratMD> how come unlike most schools they don't ahve the teachers online?
[22:58] <kozmonaut> dont know
[23:00] <DrScratMD> so what school did you go to
[23:00] <DrScratMD> vancouver?
[23:00] <kozmonaut> UBC
[23:01] <DrScratMD> howd you like it
[23:01] <kozmonaut> solid
[23:01] <kozmonaut> very theoretical
[23:01] <DrScratMD> enjoy it a lot then?
[23:01] <DrScratMD> you get a PHD
[23:01] <DrScratMD> huhu
[23:01] <kozmonaut> i did, i like the schoolastic atmosphere
[23:02] <DrScratMD> you like 4th grade childerns books?
[23:02] <kozmonaut> ..
[23:03] <honkykong> careful kozmo you could stumble right into one of DrScratMD's sick pedo f
[23:03] <kozmonaut> yeah, i am getting weirded out
[23:03] <DrScratMD> http://www2.scholastic.com
[23:04] <honkykong> gonna make this 2p vs soon http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9113/tilega
[23:04] <honkykong> only 1p works atm
[23:04] <honkykong> 2p vs via internuts even
[23:07] <DrScratMD> Is your game in java or what is it, flash?
[23:07] <DrScratMD> C#?
[23:07] <DrScratMD> huhu
[23:07] <honkykong> what, that tile game?
[23:07] <honkykong> thats flash
[23:08] * honkykong points to the .swf at the end
[23:08] <honkykong> the server component is python
[23:09] <Decept404> man. good stuff. i open a coke bottle and the top of the bottle just brea
[23:09] <Decept404> stable
[23:09] <honkykong> quality
[23:09] <honkykong> must be made in america
[23:10] <honkykong> or lol 'assembled in america' (made in guadilawhothehellcares)
[23:12] <DrScratMD> You're stable
[23:13] <Decept404> no i'm not
[23:13] <DrScratMD> huhu
[23:15] <honkykong> your A stable
[23:19] <honkykong> who the hell came up with flash ads that call you a loser if you dont cli
[23:19] <honkykong> wtf kinda sadistic bullshit is that
[23:22] * Decept404 raises a hand
[23:22] * honkykong cuts it off
[23:22] <honkykong> you sick fuck
[23:22] <Decept404> you know you deserve it
[23:22] <Decept404> loser
[23:22] <honkykong> :(
[23:23] <honkykong> How could the banner know my losing ways tho?!?!
[23:23] <honkykong> i mean, its 2:30 am and i'm checking my myspace mail
[23:23] <honkykong> HOW COULD IT KNOW?!?
[23:23] <DrScratMD> what?
[23:23] <honkykong> myspace
[23:23] <honkykong> its feeding me your banners
[23:33] * ZorbaBeta is now known as ZorbaTHut
Session Close: Sat Jan 05 00:00:00 2008
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