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Session Start: Wed Jan 02 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[00:07] <[]> goddamn... worst.donut.evar....
[00:08] <flashed> doh :S
[00:09] <[]> its i'm eating the charred rotten remains of some monkey-ass flavored donut
[00:09] <flashed> http://www.break.com/index/kids-blow-up-snowman-with-real-cannon.html
[00:15] <bgilb> anyone want to be my database programmer
[00:18] <Scottc> yeah man
[00:18] <Scottc> for sure
[00:18] <Scottc> i'm experiencedi n visual basics pro
[00:20] <kozmonaut> you mean "I am experienced in Visual Basic Pro"
[00:20] <kozmonaut> :)
[00:20] <Scottc> yeah
[00:20] <Scottc> but I was typing like a retard purposely.
[00:20] <kozmonaut> or like me :)
[00:20] <Scottc> lies!
[00:20] <Scottc> you weren't typing like a retard
[00:21] <kozmonaut> i sometimes do :)
[00:21] <Scottc> just minor grammar problems that I could expect from anyone whose first lang
[00:21] <Scottc> you spell better than some americans
[00:21] <Scottc> and brits
[00:21] <Scottc> [02:11] <Scottc> wow
[00:21] <Scottc> [02:11] <Scottc> paint did go down in price
[00:21] <Scottc> [02:11] <Devaut> i've been playing for 15 years now
[00:21] <Scottc> [02:11] <Devaut> i've seen paint at
[00:21] <Scottc> whoops
[00:21] <Scottc> why the hell
[00:22] <Scottc> isn't my ctrl+c key fucking working
[00:22] <Scottc> I press ctrl+c with some text highlighted
[00:22] <Scottc> it doesn't fucking copy
[00:22] <Scottc> ah I guess it doesn't copy whitespace
[00:22] <Scottc> I copy spaces to clear my ctrl+v :)
[00:23] <kozmonaut> simmer down!
[00:28] <[]> what kinda db you need programmed bgilb
[00:28] <bgilb> well i need like
[00:28] <bgilb> someone to construct the DB
[00:28] <[]> yes, what sort of dbms do you use, what language is interfacing with it?
[00:29] <bgilb> java and mysql
[00:29] <[]> ah k, dont do much java myself
[00:41] <bgilb> i have lots of things i need to store
[00:41] <bgilb> but im not sure how to store them :X
[00:57] * _darvish is now known as darvish
[01:47] * [1]eXtrem is now known as eXtreme
[02:51] * Bino is now known as Borealis
[02:55] <kozmonaut> as those haxy youtube videos i made of jerkface getting beat up my bounce
[02:55] <kozmonaut> like on 500 websites
[02:57] <[]> you ever try out darkbasic kozmonaut
[02:58] <[]> or blitzbasic?
[03:00] <[]> your game uses a prefab gamemaker type engine ya?
[03:05] <sort> rpg maker or something
[03:06] <[]> ya figured as much, well hey, would prolly dig darkbasic or blitzbasic then
[03:06] <[]> either is a fairly powerful 3d scripting engine
[03:06] <[]> well... 'powerful' should prolly be in quotes there
[03:07] <[]> but reasonably full featured
[03:10] <kozmonaut> yeah
[03:11] <kozmonaut> my friend does a 3d game using darkbasic
[03:11] <[]> i played with it some
[03:11] <[]> made a lil overtheshoulder 3d shooter engine with it
[03:11] <[]> graphically its a lil underpowered but its good enough for a lot of things, and
[03:11] <kozmonaut> yeh, the torque rpg maker looks interesting
[03:12] <[]> k well just thought i'd bring those products to your attention. blitzbasic is si
[03:12] <kozmonaut> ah cool
[03:12] <[]> in the end tho i think you'd find it worth the time to research c/c++
[03:12] <kozmonaut> yeah
[03:12] <kozmonaut> idealy i want to make a new engine using c++
[03:13] <[]> helluva learning curve
[03:13] <[]> but i'd say its worth it
[03:13] <kozmonaut> yeah, ill pay people to do it
[03:13] <kozmonaut> once the current version starts paying off when its released
[03:13] <kozmonaut> or if i get some investment captial
[03:13] <[]> enh... thats a setup for some hardship there, imo
[03:13] <[]> makes you reliant on other nerds
[03:13] <[]> you're suitably nerdy to do it yourself
[03:13] <kozmonaut> i couldnt devote myself to coding and do art
[03:13] <[]> tricky part is helloworld
[03:14] <[]> you get a good framework setup in c/c++, the rest is downhill
[03:14] <kozmonaut> yeah
[03:14] <[]> but honestly helloworld is a hellofa task in win32
[03:14] <kozmonaut> way more of a community around c++ too
[03:14] <[]> sure
[03:14] <[]> thats part of why i'd mention it
[03:14] <kozmonaut> yeah, its something i really considered
[03:15] <[]> i look at it like ninja skills
[03:15] <kozmonaut> i think once i release this 2d game, which is on the verge of having all
[03:15] <[]> you can go buy a 9mm, and you'll be as powerful as that 9mm and not much more
[03:15] <[]> or you can get ninja skills, and be as powerful as you can learn to be
[03:15] <kozmonaut> i dont think carmack style of games will fly nowadays
[03:15] <[]> and good enough ninja skills and you can just take whoevers crappy POS guns when
[03:16] <[]> and you're probably right, but just knowing c doesnt mean you have to do it all
[03:16] <[]> but not knowing c means you will constantly answer to someone who does
[03:16] <[]> and all the venture capital in the world wont change that
[03:16] <kozmonaut> well fundementally i understand how c++ works
[03:16] <kozmonaut> and how apis work
[03:17] <kozmonaut> and libraries
[03:17] <kozmonaut> then scripts to tie them all in together
[03:17] <[]> k ya thats a good start
[03:17] <[]> well just thought i'd put my two cents in
[03:17] <kozmonaut> ive always been more friends with coders then artists, so i get what they
[03:18] <kozmonaut> but i have a hella big problem doing orginal library entries, i can do ed
[03:18] <kozmonaut> but to do framework from scratch, all orginally, is so daunting
[03:18] <[]> no pain no gain
[03:19] <kozmonaut> yeah, its on the radar, i just need a few people who know c++ well to joi
[03:19] <kozmonaut> i know ultyma in here whipped up a preety solid 2d game engine in no time
[03:19] <[]> problem with that plan is you need them... but they dont really need you... no o
[03:19] <[]> so the incentive for them to get on board is kind of lacking
[03:20] <kozmonaut> well, hopefully once i put more work in the game, and people play it and
[03:20] <[]> you can buy your way into their participation, and maybe thats what it'll take
[03:20] <[]> but its not the only way
[03:20] <[]> yah maybe
[03:20] <[]> fan base is a helluva thing
[03:20] <kozmonaut> yeah, my main concern is fixing all the core code, so i can set up automa
[03:21] <kozmonaut> i dont really wanna get a fanbase yet, without the game being the way i w
[03:21] <[]> you ever see that one game i think some guy is making with the same/similar engi
[03:21] <[]> pretty funny looking
[03:21] <Decept404> lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
[03:21] <Decept404> i mean hi
[03:21] <kozmonaut> yeah, but something like that, has no staying power
[03:22] <[]> rpg where you're dubya, running around defending the country from homosexuals an
[03:22] <[]> well yes and no
[03:22] <[]> look at daily show, colbert report
[03:22] <[]> they've made a career out of political satire
[03:22] <[]> a lengthy one
[03:22] <kozmonaut> yeah, but they dice it up
[03:22] <[]> and theres certainly no lack of things to mock
[03:22] <kozmonaut> a game about a single person, has no staying power i meant
[03:22] <kozmonaut> even that jack thomson game, is like dead now
[03:23] <[]> http://www.rob-sheridan.com/sketchblog/2007/11/sketch-blog-hiatusgeorge-bush.htm
[03:24] <[]> Decept404 YOU SUCK DICK!!!!111one
[03:24] <[]> i mean
[03:24] <[]> 'Hey!'
[03:24] <Decept404> also, you suck
[03:24] <Decept404> peeeeniiiis
[03:24] <[]> keys are like, right next to each other
[03:24] <Decept404> i mean lol
[03:24] <[]> lol
[03:24] <kozmonaut> haha, thats a version of the engine i use
[03:24] <[]> yeah i figured
[03:24] <[]> funny application of it
[03:24] <kozmonaut> yeH
[03:25] <[]> ITEM GET: 1 bag of cocaine!
[03:25] <kozmonaut> the one i used was designed for single player, but we basicly rewrote the
[03:25] <kozmonaut> although, i lament the fact, that if i was making a single player game, i
[03:29] * Dr_Rambo silently enters the room like a NINJA
[03:29] <kozmonaut> yeh, prob my autovoice wont work with my new ip
[03:29] * Dr_Rambo is like a Ninja Karate DOG
[03:29] <[]> lol
[03:30] <[]> hey Dr_Rambo
[03:30] <[]> hows going man
[03:30] * Dr_Rambo super lick Honky
[03:30] <kozmonaut> hi rambs
[03:30] <[]> lol
[03:30] <Dr_Rambo> hey koz, honky, ssssup
[03:30] <[]> gdamn that movie was so bad
[03:30] <[]> it just defies all comprehension
[03:30] <kozmonaut> nada man, just imped a badass particle system in my rpg
[03:30] <Dr_Rambo> not much, just got home, tired, shower is waiting, food is needed to be co
[03:30] <Dr_Rambo> haha
[03:31] <Dr_Rambo> Honky, u reallly really whip up the interest in me to see that movie
[03:31] <Dr_Rambo> I have got to see it
[03:31] <kozmonaut> what movie
[03:32] <Dr_Rambo> Honky, as bad or worst than "Crossroad"?
[03:32] <[]> the ralph machio movie about blues guitar players?
[03:32] <[]> that was pretty good imo
[03:32] <[]> kozmonaut: Karate Dog
[03:33] <kozmonaut> lol
[03:33] <kozmonaut> i hate movies staring animals
[03:33] <[]> hey when a 360 controllers (X) light starts doing that flashing thing, but you'r
[03:33] <[]> doesnt constantly do it, just time to time
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> nah
[03:34] <kozmonaut> means you need to put down your controler for a bit, and do other shit!
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> "Crossroad"
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> staring Britney Spear
[03:34] <kozmonaut> dude..
[03:34] <[]> ah yeah guess so
[03:34] <[]> eww
[03:34] <kozmonaut> thats as bad as watching any "Scary movie
[03:34] <kozmonaut> jean claude van dam
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> no way
[03:34] <[]> hey scary movies are funny
[03:34] <kozmonaut> steven seagul
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> scary movie is not bad
[03:34] <kozmonaut> type movie
[03:34] <[]> not the first one
[03:34] <Dr_Rambo> I like Scary movie. pretty funny
[03:35] <kozmonaut> so low brow
[03:35] <[]> couple of the sequels werent bad either
[03:35] <kozmonaut> well..
[03:35] <[]> low brow is one thing, crap is another
[03:35] <[]> karate dog is just CRAP
[03:35] <kozmonaut> i guess this is comming from the people that just said "karate dog" deser
[03:35] <[]> hey Dr_Rambo i'm sending it to you
[03:35] <[]> did you get the ack?
[03:35] <[]> who said it deserves an award
[03:35] <Dr_Rambo> huh? oh
[03:35] * [] would never say any such thing
[03:36] <kozmonaut> <[]> Man, i love karate dog, i have the poster in my room, that mov
[03:36] <[]> lies
[03:36] <Decept404> karate dog?
[03:36] <[]> i shoudl get the poster tho
[03:36] <Decept404> is that of Jasper Morello caliber?
[03:37] <[]> dunno that one
[03:37] <kozmonaut> get the dog to autograph it with a pawprinter for ultimate own
[03:37] <[]> hey i gots a dog, that'll work
[03:37] <Decept404> http://www.jaspermorello.com/gazette/
[03:37] <kozmonaut> i dug the movie "thank you for smoking"?
[03:38] <[]> yeah that was a good one
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[03:38] <kozmonaut> i love those kinds of movies
[03:38] <[]> i liked 'the man from earth'
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> That one is a surprise
[03:38] <[]> and 'knocked up'
[03:38] <kozmonaut> thats humour i like
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> I didn't know it was taht good
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> but karate dog.. sounds like "Cats and Dog"
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> shouldn't be that bad
[03:38] <[]> cg animals with fight scenes
[03:38] <kozmonaut> i think i dug shaun of the dead too
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> I seen "cats and Dog"... it's 5/10
[03:38] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[03:38] <[]> its real, real bad
[03:38] <Decept404> here's my theory
[03:38] <Decept404> everyone that likes "the man from earth" needs to get out more
[03:39] <Decept404> also, they need to read more
[03:39] <[]> have you seen it?
[03:39] <Decept404> also, they need to stop smoking ridiculous amounts of weed
[03:39] <kozmonaut> haha
[03:39] <kozmonaut> Jon Voigt is in karate doh
[03:39] <[]> dude that was a quality movie
[03:39] <Decept404> yeah, it's a preposterously pretentious piece of jibberish
[03:39] <Decept404> filled with non-ideas
[03:39] <[]> dunno what you're talking about, i loved it
[03:39] <Decept404> and non-narratives
[03:39] <Decept404> then you fit with my stereotype
[03:39] <[]> non-narratives? wtf its nothing but narrative
[03:39] <Decept404> nothing that movie says is new, and as a narrative it's an abject failure
[03:40] <[]> theres no special effects, barely a fight scene, no CG at all, no rubber masks,
[03:40] <kozmonaut> hahaha
[03:40] <kozmonaut> quaote from imdb
[03:40] <kozmonaut> Sound great already? It only gets better: A dog takes on 5 human assassin
[03:40] <[]> yeah that imdb review is what talked me into seeing it
[03:40] <kozmonaut> In a flurry of punches and kicks he renders all of them unconscious and/o
[03:41] <[]> Decept404 oh yeah well i'm of the opinion that anyone that doesnt like the man f
[03:41] <[]> what say you to that?!?
[03:41] <Dr_Rambo> Are we talking about "Man from Earth"?
[03:41] <Dr_Rambo> I just got that movie
[03:41] <Dr_Rambo> was about to watch it last nite
[03:41] <Dr_Rambo> premise seems interesting
[03:41] <Dr_Rambo> I think I might watch it tonite
[03:41] <kozmonaut> hahaha
[03:41] <[]> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/
[03:42] <kozmonaut> Underlying it all is a malicious thread of species-ism in the form of dog
[03:42] <[]> 8.4 / 10
[03:42] <Decept404> [] i say it's still a piece of shit movie that stays afloat entirely on t
[03:42] <Decept404> and it doesn
[03:42] <Decept404> t
[03:42] <kozmonaut> man i gotta see this movie
[03:42] <[]> sure it does
[03:42] <Decept404> because its "payoff" is retarded
[03:42] <Decept404> "oh, also, i'm jesus"
[03:42] <[]> its like old school scifi
[03:42] <Decept404> no it fucking well isnt
[03:42] <Decept404> go watch some ACTUAL old school scifi
[03:43] <[]> dude i've read MUCH old school scifi, man from earth is right in line with how t
[03:43] <Dr_Rambo> TTTTTHX-1138
[03:43] <Decept404> i strongly object to the notion that a non-budget approach is all it take
[03:44] <Dr_Rambo> Soylent Green
[03:44] <Dr_Rambo> those are classics
[03:44] <Decept404> yeah, it's nothing like those
[03:44] <Decept404> at all
[03:44] <[]> no, punchline gotcha endings
[03:44] <[]> thats what it takes
[03:44] <Decept404> it's like a stageplay
[03:44] <[]> and its got a few
[03:44] <[]> also a lack of reliance on CG and stupid latex masks
[03:44] <Decept404> with a bunch of guys that think they're being serious, while any member o
[03:44] <[]> primer was another excellent example of smart modern scifi
[03:44] <Decept404> primer was great
[03:44] <Dr_Rambo> HAHA
[03:44] <Dr_Rambo> primer
[03:45] <kozmonaut> hahahah
[03:45] <kozmonaut> t concerns me deeply that English speaking children are shown mindless dr
[03:45] <Dr_Rambo> I thought Primer is a bit too deep for me
[03:45] <[]> lol the friend that showed me the movie is a religious studies major and he love
[03:45] <Dr_Rambo> I fall asleep halfway through
[03:45] <Dr_Rambo> plus i watched teh DVD 2AM in the morning
[03:45] <[]> Dr_Rambo gotta watch it 8 times
[03:45] <Dr_Rambo> plot gets a bit too complex for me
[03:45] <Decept404> primer is a puzzle flick
[03:45] <Decept404> it's about rewinding and taking notes
[03:45] <kozmonaut> did you see Pi?
[03:45] <[]> yes i didnt like it
[03:45] <[]> great soundtrack tho
[03:46] <kozmonaut> yeah, i remember going to some art house theter to see it wen it first ca
[03:46] <Decept404> [] sounds to me like your friend hasn't been seeing the forest for the tr
[03:46] <Decept404> people KNOW jesus was essentially buddhist
[03:46] <Decept404> there are RECORDS of him visiting temples
[03:46] <Dr_Rambo> I thought Pi was awesome
[03:46] <Dr_Rambo> it's a messiahic experience
[03:46] <Dr_Rambo> super low budget for maximum cinema experience
[03:46] <kozmonaut> yeah Pis underlaying overtones was interesting
[03:47] <Decept404> i thought Pi was a great mood piece. it's nice to leave on in the backgro
[03:47] <[]> lol wuteva Decept404
[03:47] <kozmonaut> its overall premise was a lil overt and weak i thought
[03:47] <[]> you have no taste in movies if you have that much of a problem with the man from
[03:47] <kozmonaut> i never saw it
[03:47] <[]> none at all and also you smoke pole
[03:47] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[03:47] <Dr_Rambo> I gota see it tonite then
[03:47] <Dr_Rambo> and Karate dog next tuesday
[03:48] <Decept404> [] my point is, nothing i saw in the man from earth was special to me, be
[03:48] <[]> better put Decept404 on iggy until then then cause he's trying to ruin it for ev
[03:48] <Decept404> i was intrigued halfway through
[03:48] <Decept404> the second half made me shake my head in disbelief
[03:48] <Decept404> it pulls a wafer thin concept too far, it just tears itself apart
[03:48] <Dr_Rambo> alright Decept
[03:48] <Decept404> i think it was a complete trainwreck
[03:48] <Dr_Rambo> no spoiler
[03:48] <Dr_Rambo> spoiler
[03:48] <Decept404> fine i'm done
[03:49] <kozmonaut> s/rant/off
[03:49] <Decept404> but i will fight anyone who says that film is powerful fiction IN THE OCT
[03:49] <Decept404> also the hexagon
[03:49] <Dr_Rambo> I saw last Darran Afronsky movie few nites b4
[03:49] <Decept404> should it be necessary
[03:49] <Dr_Rambo> "The Fountain"
[03:49] <Dr_Rambo> anyone seen it?
[03:49] <Decept404> i saw it
[03:49] <Decept404> i liked the pretty pictures
[03:49] <Dr_Rambo> I saw a comic drawn by a famous artist in comic shop today too
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> for the "Fountain"
[03:50] <kozmonaut> lol
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> surprising for a arthouse movie to release a comic book with it
[03:50] <[]> dodecahedron?
[03:50] <kozmonaut> here is a pic of the karate dog
[03:50] <kozmonaut> http://imdb.com/gallery/hh/0006686/HH/0006686/scan_304.jpg?path=gallery&p
[03:50] <[]> deathicon
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> LMAO
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> Octagon
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> HAHA
[03:50] <Dr_Rambo> "HI I AM REX KWAN DO"
[03:51] <kozmonaut> thats from napolin dynamite"
[03:51] <Decept404> powerful classic scifi for me is stuff like I am legend, I have no mouth
[03:51] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[03:51] <Decept404> exploring interesting ideas in smaller contexts
[03:51] <kozmonaut> i liked that old sci fi movie "Westworld" or whateva
[03:52] <Decept404> the yul brunner one?
[03:52] <Decept404> robot cowbwoy
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> I have no mouth and I must screa have movie adaptation?
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> that's surprising
[03:52] <[]> i'm pretty good with a bo staff
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> I didn't know it has a movie
[03:52] <Decept404> no it doesnt
[03:52] <Decept404> the book
[03:52] <Decept404> :)
[03:52] <Decept404> same with i am legend
[03:52] <Decept404> great book
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> oh just the book
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> I am legend is is got half a dozen movie adapt
[03:52] <kozmonaut> i thjought i am legend, wasnt bad at all
[03:52] <Decept404> yeah, omega man etc
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> latest one from Will Smith
[03:52] <Dr_Rambo> is okay, 1st half of hour
[03:53] <kozmonaut> thats what all the reviewers said
[03:53] <Dr_Rambo> then it gets boring, it even DEVIATE from the book
[03:53] <Decept404> This silent earth
[03:53] <Decept404> thats interesting
[03:53] <Dr_Rambo> doesn't explain why he is the legend
[03:53] <Decept404> it doesnt have to explain why he is legend
[03:53] <Decept404> he's legend because he's the one guy like himself; to the vampires HE is
[03:53] <Decept404> killing them when they sleep
[03:53] <kozmonaut> i thought overall the movie was captivating, but i like the asetetics of
[03:53] <Decept404> haha, post apocalypse, check out A boy and his dog
[03:54] <Decept404> classic
[03:54] <[]> a boy and his blob
[03:54] * [] gets some jellybeans
[03:54] <Dr_Rambo> OH YEH
[03:54] <Dr_Rambo> I got that movie too
[03:54] <Dr_Rambo> A boy and his dog
[03:54] * Decept404 turns into a ladder
[03:54] <Dr_Rambo> just last week
[03:54] <[]> lol
[03:54] <[]> gdamn that game sucked
[03:54] <Dr_Rambo> strange, I got lots of movies u mention last week
[03:54] <Decept404> godawful
[03:54] <[]> i kept playing it like 'whens it gonna get cool?'
[03:54] <Decept404> A boy and his dog is one of my absolute favorites
[03:54] <Decept404> i like 80s films for their moral ambiguity
[03:55] <kozmonaut> hhaa
[03:55] <kozmonaut> don johnson is in a boy and his dog
[03:55] <Dr_Rambo> well, it's the new millenium
[03:55] <Dr_Rambo> it's moral absolute-ty
[03:55] <Dr_Rambo> BUSHISM FTW
[03:56] <Decept404> he's great in that movie
[03:56] <Dr_Rambo> man, they just don't make movie like the old days anymore
[03:56] <kozmonaut> i liked don johnson as the voice of lieutent falcon in the Gi Joe movie
[03:57] <Dr_Rambo> it's all remakes nowadays
[03:57] <Dr_Rambo> it's like ppl just devoid of ideas
[03:57] <kozmonaut> its the studios
[03:57] <kozmonaut> movies cost so much to make, that they want to have a solid investment
[03:57] <Dr_Rambo> it gets harder to see a really refreshing new movie
[03:57] <Dr_Rambo> like "memoento"
[03:57] <kozmonaut> so sequels of established franchises, remakes of past films, or good book
[03:57] <Decept404> i liked The prestige
[03:57] <Dr_Rambo> yeh
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> Prestige is awesome
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> same guy
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> what's his name
[03:58] <kozmonaut> hugh jackmon?
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> Christopher Nolan
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> the director
[03:58] <Dr_Rambo> only few directors I like nowadays
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> Christopher NOlan, and Darron Afrnoksy
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> and maybe David Fincher (havn't seen any good movie from him after fightcl
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> David lynch .. yeh
[03:59] <kozmonaut> i like david croninberg
[03:59] <kozmonaut> lynch
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> yeh cronneberg is awesome back in the days
[03:59] <kozmonaut> scorsese
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> but after 2000, I havn't like his movie much
[03:59] <kozmonaut> kevin smith is usually reliable
[03:59] <Dr_Rambo> that last one.. erm..
[04:00] <Dr_Rambo> A History of Violence
[04:00] <Dr_Rambo> that was really boring movie. except for the sex
[04:00] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[04:01] <Dr_Rambo> Cronenberg's movie is kinda weird
[04:01] <Dr_Rambo> the timing, tempo and flow of the movie is all kinda out of wack
[04:01] <Dr_Rambo> acting is also pretty weird.. wooden acting.. and pretty unnatural
[04:01] <Dr_Rambo> but I guess that's also the draw
[04:02] <Dr_Rambo> anyway, shower, food
[04:06] <[]> lol i liked momento but the funny thing is its a ripoff of a seinfeld episode
[04:07] <chai> ¿
[04:07] <sort> which?
[04:08] <chai> you mean memento ?
[04:08] <sort> ep of seinfield
[04:08] <[]> the one where they go to india for a wedding
[04:09] <sort> doesnt ring a bell :|
[04:09] <ht7z> the one where elaine has sexor with teh groom
[04:09] <[]> http://www.stanthecaddy.com/the-betrayal.html
[04:10] <[]> "NOTE: This episode was shown backwards in the following fashion: all scenes wer
[04:11] <[]> ah apparently that episode is a ripoff of some Pinter plays, which seinfeld tipp
[04:11] <sort> i may have seen that, i remember commenting on something looking like memento
[04:11] <[]> no idea who pinter is but apprently he wrote soem plays with a similar time prog
[04:11] <[]> yeah the seinfeld ep came before the movie tho
[04:11] <sort> yeah
[04:12] <[]> i have a crappy copy if you want
[04:12] <sort> i payed attention to seinfield more since the movie came out (unrelated) :p
[04:12] <[]> lol yah i leeched all the eps once
[04:12] <[]> i still watch em sometimes
[04:12] <[]> pretentious but funny anwyays
[04:13] <sort> they show about 5 episodes on tv here every day
[04:14] <[]> lol festivus
[04:14] <[]> i forgot about the airing of greivances
[04:14] <[]> such a pivotal part of the celebration
[04:15] <sort> does that ep end at the wedding?
[04:15] <[]> no begins at the wedding
[04:15] <[]> in india
[04:15] <sort> hmm
[04:16] <[]> begins back in new york talkinga bout going to india
[04:16] <sort> right
[04:16] <[]> err
[04:16] <[]> end back in new york
[04:16] <[]> lol
[04:16] <[]> well i'm gonna brave the cold and snow
[04:16] <[]> bbiaf
[04:16] <sort> snow \o/
[04:16] <[]> </3 snow
[04:16] <sort> :>
[04:24] * kozmonaut is now known as kozmoafk
[05:30] * [] shinkicks the channel
[05:30] <[]> whatup
[05:32] * einride yawns
[05:32] <[]> o/
[05:32] <aav_hlm> yawntoo
[05:32] <aav_hlm> hi
[05:33] <[]> hihi
[05:34] <einride> 15 new 8800 ultra, 5 new 8800, 20 new Q6700 with 4G ram, visya ultimate on
[05:35] <einride> blah
[05:37] <aav_hlm> stup complainin
[05:40] <einride> you try making old linux servers talk to vista :/
[05:42] <einride> especially while everyone else's playing with their new machines :/
[05:43] <[]> hey einride someone told me you write stuff like client/server apps, is that rig
[05:43] <einride> yeah
[05:44] <[]> cool, yeah i'm trying to get a socket server app together for a flash game
[05:44] <[]> i've been thinking asynch nonblocking singlethreaded is the way to go
[05:44] <[]> using python for the server
[05:44] <[]> got any input on my gameplan there?
[05:45] <[]> the nature of the game requires a fair amount of low latency
[05:45] <[]> ie its action/shooter etc
[05:45] <einride> i'd go with blocking and polls for read/writability, but singlethreaded is
[05:45] <[]> so blocking would synchronous, not asynch then?
[05:46] <[]> i dont know this is all largely greek to me
[05:46] <einride> hehe
[05:46] <aav_hlm> screaming kid is indahouse
[05:46] <einride> blocking means that a recv will block until there's data. so, if you go blo
[05:47] <einride> nonblocking you simply read fixed-size blocks until there's nothing returne
[05:47] <einride> either way you need select/poll/whatever to check which sockets have data
[05:48] <[]> ok, so if you check for how much data to read, at the point taht it reports ther
[05:48] <einride> protocol specific. tcp or udp?
[05:49] <[]> huh, well i'v ebeen going with tcp so far but i havent got much substantial made
[05:49] <[]> hey you got any tutorials you'd refer me to?
[05:49] <einride> well, tcp has some default behaviour you probably don't want.
[05:49] <[]> of course i've googled the hell out of this stuff but maybe you know of somethin
[05:49] <einride> not really...
[05:49] <[]> yeah the pickings are kinda slim
[05:49] <einride> just beej's generic socket tutorial
[05:49] <einride> nothing more targeted
[05:49] <[]> i found this one i was thinking of using as a boilerplate
[05:50] <[]> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/511453
[05:50] <einride> python... eww...
[05:50] <einride> ;)
[05:51] <[]> lol well i'm overdue to learn it
[05:51] <[]> whats wrong with python?
[05:51] <einride> it depends on indentation.
[05:51] <[]> i figured it'd make life easier for doing crossplatform development
[05:51] <[]> k
[05:51] <[]> there are worse blights upon man
[05:51] <einride> i'm all for c++, but that's just me :P
[05:52] <[]> yeah i like c++ too but i'm win32 locally and plan to run this on a openbsd box
[05:52] <[]> so i figured python would be a good bet
[05:52] <kermit`_> []: easier to read too since you can't mess around with indentation and ne
[05:52] <[]> yah it does read pretty easy
[05:52] <[]> and its super short
[05:52] <baaba> [], write standard c++ and use portable libraries and you're done :P
[05:52] <kermit`_> yup
[05:52] <[]> #python is full of weinies tho
[05:53] <einride> s/use/make/ ;)
[05:53] <baaba> hehe
[05:53] <[]> baaba well maybe thats what i'll do eventually
[05:53] <[]> but this is also partially a tool for learning python
[05:53] <kermit`_> baaba: i suppose you can develop many applications more rapidly in python,
[05:53] <[]> i couldnt find anything i wanted to do with it, this is the closest i've found
[05:54] <einride> well, then by all means. but, if you go with tcp, make sure to disable coal
[05:54] * [] makes a note of it
[05:54] <[]> is that a big performance 'gotcha'?
[05:54] <[]> sounds like it
[05:54] <einride> or you'll get funny delays soon as you put load on stuff
[05:54] <[]> gotcha
[05:54] <[]> dont suppose you wanna throw any source code at me eh?
[05:54] <[]> i can read c++ fine
[05:54] <einride> haha can't
[05:55] <[]> i udnerstand, np
[05:55] <[]> just figured i'd ask
[05:55] <einride> but seriously, socket code is very simple soon as you learn how tcp/udp/ip
[05:55] <[]> yeah i tried some of the preexisting flash multiclient servers out there an djus
[05:55] <[]> yeah i think i get it but the syntax is wonky
[05:56] <einride> day or two reading up on the actual protocols and you'll know way more than
[05:56] <[]> and debugging can be troublesome by nature of the app existing on several places
[05:56] <[]> yeah i did some super simple socket stuff in vb once
[05:56] <[]> also a lil bs telnet-esque server in c++ on win32
[05:57] <[]> but i want soem pretty decent performance out of this, and making shit for games
[05:57] <einride> when you know what to be aware of when you switch from level to edge trigge
[05:57] <[]> gotcha
[05:57] <einride> then you can start on the RFCs :P
[05:57] <[]> so thats the landmark to shoot for huh
[05:57] <einride> nah
[05:57] <einride> that's something you won't need unless you go in the 500+ conn range
[05:58] <kermit`_> tcp/udp/ip rfc's are at least quite good =)
[05:58] <einride> they're readable :P
[05:58] <einride> i guess that's "good" when it comes to RFCs
[05:58] <kermit`_> yup :P
[05:58] <kermit`_> you should grab some ccna material from cisco if you really wants to under
[05:59] <[]> well it might get up into the hundreds of connections
[05:59] <[]> i dunno
[05:59] <einride> i did do some of those online prep tests once... but never ever tried to ge
[05:59] <[]> remember boxacide?
[05:59] <[]> this is all for making that multiplayer, ideally massively multiplayer
[05:59] <kermit`_> einride: ah, i took the cert a couple of years ago
[06:00] <einride> kermit`_: i have no education and no certs ;)
[06:00] <kermit`_> although i was lazy enough to not retake it every second year so it's not
[06:00] <kermit`_> einride: :O
[06:00] <Decept404> assively multiplayer
[06:00] <kermit`_> einride: but you got a job
[06:00] <kermit`_> ?
[06:00] <einride> kermit`_: yeah ;)
[06:00] <kermit`_> fair enough then :)
[06:01] <einride> hmm it's close to exactly 25 years since i wrote my first stumbling lines o
[06:01] <einride> damn. i'm getting old :/
[06:01] <kermit`_> yay, i was not even born then :P
[06:02] <[]> i'm about 20 years from my first basic
[06:02] <[]> 22 i guess
[06:03] <kermit`_> about 12-13 years from my first basic >_<
[06:04] <[]> hey taht beej tut looks good man, thanks
[06:04] <einride> beej is the defacto starting point
[06:05] <[]> cool yeah i hadnt found that one yet, dunno why not
[06:05] <[]> prolly cause i was looking for python specific
[06:10] <[]> oh these sons of bitchs at gamestop are gonna pay
[06:10] <[]> i bought far cry instincts and they gave me far cry instincts evolution instead
[06:10] <[]> fucking too many stupid ass names on these far crys
[06:10] <[]> evolution is not backwards compatible with 360
[06:14] <[]> oh i am pissed off goddamn
[06:14] <[]> evolution apparently sucks, 8.0/10 on gamespot, instincts was 9.4... i cant even
[06:15] <[]> and i dont have the fucking reciept any more either
[06:20] <Decept404> 8/10 = suck?
[06:28] <Sembiance> morning :)
[07:14] <Cryovat> Sort of sad that 7/10 has come to mean highly mediocre on review sites
[07:46] <Sembiance> Cryovat: not all review sites are created equal
[07:47] <Cryovat> Yeah :/
[07:47] <Cryovat> Oh god
[07:47] <Cryovat> http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2008/01/02/522693.html
[07:47] <Cryovat> Woman puts out fire with panties
[08:55] <DrScratMD> Cryovat: only send links like that if its like jessica alba doing that
[09:00] <Sembiance> rofl
[09:13] * Birgitte4 is now known as Birgitte
[09:17] * Swish[\] is now known as Swish
[09:26] <Sembiance> Anyone here ever been to Ft Worth Texas?
[09:27] <[]> nah but i got few friends around there
[09:28] <Sembiance> anything fun there?
[09:28] <Sembiance> I'm heading there in a few weeks to check out http://play-symphony.com/
[09:28] <[]> drugs
[09:28] <[]> ask in #bonghit
[09:28] <[]> bunch of texans in there
[09:28] <[]> they'd know where the clubs are and shit
[09:30] <[]> man just barely dodged a bullet
[09:30] <[]> this super annoying dipshit guy that seems to have some sorta mancrush on me is
[09:30] <[]> its the same class but different day
[09:30] <[]> phew
[09:31] <[]> dunno if i can put up with several hours a week of that guy
[09:31] <eTrece> lol mancrush
[09:31] <Ultyma> lol
[09:31] <savag1> OMG, you were flooding the channel with random thoughts when I went to sleep
[09:31] <[]> yes
[09:31] <[]> not totally random
[09:32] <[]> i was giving an indepth analysis of my dish doing technique
[09:32] <[]> thats valueable, ontopic information that you should carefully catalog and revie
[09:34] <[]> do my rants trouble you? in the pants?
[09:36] <savag1> Of all the trouble in my pants, you are far from the top.
[09:36] * savag1 is now known as randelPRO
[09:36] <[]> maybe thats your problem then
[09:36] <[]> you're not properly prioritizing.
[09:37] <randelPRO> I wouldn't argue that.
[09:37] <[]> you couldnt
[09:37] <[]> its indisputable
[09:45] <kaotrix> mother
[09:45] <kaotrix> fucker
[09:45] <kaotrix> I just came from school
[09:45] <kaotrix> holy shit man
[09:45] <kaotrix> My physics professor is a fucking queer
[09:45] <kaotrix> blonde hair, always smiling
[09:45] <kaotrix> always looking at me
[09:45] <kaotrix> wtf man
[09:49] <[]> look him in the eye and tweak your nipple
[09:49] <[]> try to lick one even
[10:07] <aav_hlm3> kaotrix, you've discovered actual real life homosexuals?
[10:44] <Epoch`_> any of you guys do flash game dev in AS3?
[10:44] <Sembiance> heh
[10:45] <Sembiance> Epoch`_: nope. I do JavaScript game dev such as http://worldofsolitaire.c
[10:45] <Epoch`_> yah, I've got an AS3 performance question....
[10:45] <Sembiance> Epoch`_: I'm a bit anti-flash (though not 100% of course)
[10:47] * aav_hlm3 is now known as aav_hlm
[10:51] <[]> sup epoch
[10:51] <[]> ask away
[10:51] <[]> i do plenty of flash
[11:28] <GrantaX\0> should I use surfaces for text that doesn't change every frame?
[11:31] <[]> Sembiance why antiflash?
[11:32] <Sembiance> I'm just a little bit.
[11:32] <Sembiance> For example, I feel that if you can do it with JavaScript/CSS/HTML withou
[11:33] <Sembiance> Clearly if you need 3D graphics, or really fast animations, or video, fla
[11:35] <[]> i only like javascript for things that are optional
[11:35] <[]> figuring a lot of people have it disabled
[11:35] <[]> flash either works or doesnt, never anywhere between
[11:35] <[]> javascript.. who knows... they could have something like proxomitron installed a
[11:36] <[]> good for rollovers but not much else imo
[11:37] <[]> i used to do a lot of js shit
[11:37] <Sembiance> []: I can certainly understand your viewpoint. I don't quite share your v
[11:38] <[]> had a ns/ie crosscompatible sprite library cooked up
[11:38] <[]> did all kinds of silly shit
[11:38] <[]> well a lot is a relative term
[11:38] <[]> i'd say 'enough'
[11:39] <[]> its just not what a webpage was ever meant to do either
[11:39] <[]> and i have a generally poor opinion about retrofitted technology
[11:40] <[]> yay criminal probe into destruction of cia interogation tapes
[11:41] <[]> Why are you obstructing investigations into 9/11 CIA?!? WHY?!?
[11:52] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[12:01] <kaotrix> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-kangar
[12:02] <eTrece> lol nice
[12:02] <kaotrix> haha
[12:02] <kaotrix> they made an error
[12:02] <kaotrix> 2007/12
[12:02] <kaotrix> 2008/01
[12:02] <kaotrix> I didn't see that pic last month
[12:05] <kaotrix> We're looking for some c++ programmers for our project(s) here : http://www
[12:05] <kaotrix> we're = an associate of mine who's recruiting
[12:05] <kaotrix> Just thought I drop the link here.
[12:11] <[]> kaotrix i might be interested, what type of development are they wanting, do you
[12:12] <[]> woot got a singlethreaded socket server slinging data around
[12:12] <[]> neato
[12:35] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[13:07] <aav_hlm> anyone familiar with skinned animation in Collada?
[13:08] <[]> never even heard of collada
[13:08] <[]> whatsit
[13:08] <aav_hlm> www.collada.org :)
[13:11] <Ultyma> pina
[13:11] <[]> corny names--
[13:11] <[]> looks coo tho, i guess
[13:11] <[]> all comes down to how supported it is
[13:12] <[]> i mean its one thing to say 'hey heres a new "standard"! Use it!', its another t
[13:19] <aav_hlm> yeah
[13:19] <aav_hlm> it's pretty good though
[13:19] <[]> cool, looks like a pretty dilligent attempt
[13:19] <aav_hlm> there are importers/exporters for Max, Maya etc
[13:19] <[]> any sorta api's for dx etc?
[13:19] <[]> or is all that crap homebrew
[13:20] <[]> cause hell i could get into it if theres a decent library of shit for dx/opengl.
[13:21] <aav_hlm> naw
[13:23] <eTrece> fcollada isn't bad but still gotta change your model loading code
[13:23] <eTrece> i did that a while ago just to then remove it cause it was a waste of time f
[13:51] * [] is now known as _____
[14:28] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[15:59] <Daveman> :)
[16:01] <_____> smilez?
[16:02] <_____> ah yes
[16:02] <_____> n/m
[16:02] <[Relic]> :)
[16:02] * Disconnected
[16:02] * Attempting to rejoin channel #gamedev
[16:02] * Rejoined channel #gamedev
[16:02] * Topic is 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008!!!'
[16:02] * Set by Dr_Rambo!Dr_Rambo@frost.d4.ru on Mon Dec 31 17:14:16
[16:02] -neobleed- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[16:06] <Dr_Rambo> YO
[16:06] <_____> yo sup man
[16:06] <Dr_Rambo> LOL, man, honky do u ever sleep
[16:06] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[16:06] <_____> only when no ones looking
[16:06] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[16:07] <Dr_Rambo> Honky don't sleep. He waitz
[16:07] <_____> lol
[16:07] <_____> pretty much, takes nothing at all to wake me
[16:08] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[16:08] <Dr_Rambo> well I thought I was going to see those movies last nite
[16:08] <Dr_Rambo> but I pass out
[16:09] <_____> my sleep schedules so fucked up lately
[16:09] <_____> i get about 4 hrs sleep a night
[16:09] <_____> 4-6
[16:09] <Dr_Rambo> wow
[16:09] <Dr_Rambo> are u a light sleeper
[16:09] <_____> well pot helps a lil
[16:09] <_____> but cant smoke so... ya
[16:10] <Dr_Rambo> yeh I get that sometimes, I mean, sleeping for few hours only
[16:10] <Dr_Rambo> Donald Trump sleeps for 4 hours
[16:10] <Dr_Rambo> I think
[16:10] <Dr_Rambo> said in one of his book
[16:10] <Dr_Rambo> and he advocate sleeping less LOL
[16:11] <_____> yeah i dont set an alarm or anything
[16:11] <_____> just go to sleep when i'm tired, wake up when i'm not
[16:11] <Dr_Rambo> because it makes you look omnipresent to your employee, and enemy
[16:12] <Dr_Rambo> although I don't think it's good for your health
[16:12] <Dr_Rambo> since body detoxing itself while you sleep
[16:13] <Dr_Rambo> without sleeping, your toxicity builds up
[16:13] <Dr_Rambo> and some "experts" says the best time to sleep is at 10 pm
[16:14] <Dr_Rambo> that's the time when your body starts to do its magic.. but I can never su
[16:14] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[16:14] <Dr_Rambo> I mean, 10 pm, WTF
[16:15] <sort> 10pm is when my mind wakes up
[16:15] <Dr_Rambo> yeh same
[16:36] <_Butcher_> if you get too little sleep it fucks your immune system, not good :p
[16:42] <Dr_Rambo> indeed
[17:06] <_____> lol sorry wandered off there
[17:06] <_____> phonecall by longwinded ex gf
[17:07] <_Butcher_> she's an ex, tell her to fuck off :p
[17:07] <_____> she still comes around and fucks me sometimes tho
[17:07] <_Butcher_> so part ex, part fuck buddy, nice :p
[17:07] <_____> out of state so she just flies into town sometimes and we have marathon sex f
[17:07] <_____> yes
[17:08] <Ultyma> dirty
[17:08] <_____> yes
[17:17] <Nightshde> man ziggy's site is really takin off
[17:18] <Sembiance> ugh
[17:19] <Daveman> :D
[17:21] <Nightshde> Anyone have any suggestions for handling input with respect to UI and gam
[17:22] <Nightshde> The Input Manager would sort it's list of input listening objects based u
[17:22] <Nightshde> Oddly, i havent seen any articles that do the same, the ones i've found j
[17:22] <Sembiance> trying to figure out what I should do server-wise...
[17:24] <Nightshde> wow i wrote those sentences bad, that's what happens when you have alittl
[17:34] <_kw> kinda interesting rant: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20041103/bartle_pfv.h
[17:34] <_kw> althought it's a bit outdated now, since WoW was launched, which ends the 'flat
[17:51] <_Butcher_> howso? wow is flat-rate
[17:53] <_kw> erm
[17:53] <_kw> what he means is that you wouldn't pay subscription
[17:54] <_kw> he uses it in the way that having hardcore players sticking with your game offe
[17:54] <_kw> so he means an even flatter type of flatrate ;P
[17:54] <_kw> as in, buy once - play forever
[17:59] * chai_ is now known as chai
[21:24] <kozmoafk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsBMSQiEBmE&feature=related
[21:24] <kozmoafk> thats ghaleons mom
[21:24] <Ultyma> :op
[21:25] <kozmoafk> some drunken mage changes her back
[21:25] * kozmoafk is now known as kozmonaut
[21:26] <kozmonaut> ult, what you ever do wit that 2d engine you was making
[21:27] <Ultyma> nothin
[21:27] <Ultyma> its sittin on the shelf collecting dust
[21:28] <kozmonaut> you just had a basic login system and stuff right? like no core systems?&
[21:28] <Ultyma> there was combat
[21:28] <Ultyma> and stuff
[21:28] <kozmonaut> why you ever abort it
[21:28] <Ultyma> cause I moved to my 3d mmo
[21:29] <kozmonaut> hrm, im debating switching my whole game to a proper c++ engine
[21:58] <chai> you weren't using c++ up to now ?
[22:00] <kozmonaut> no
[22:00] <kozmonaut> will some
[22:00] <kozmonaut> er well some
[22:00] <chai> so what were you using, ruby ?
[22:00] <kozmonaut> yes
[22:00] <chai> okey :>
[22:00] <kozmonaut> ruby/c++/lua
[22:01] <chai> Ultyma - you're working on a 3d mmo ?
[22:07] <wkr4k4r> in dollars
[22:07] <wkr4k4r> i dont care about grams
[22:07] <wkr4k4r> $$$$$$
[22:15] <Daveman> haha
[22:22] <kozmonaut> cool some blog people want to do an interview with me about my game
[23:16] <kozmonaut> i am king of gamedev
Session Close: Thu Jan 03 00:00:00 2008