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Session Start: Tue Jan 01 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #gamedev
[00:01] <Ghaleon> the whistles go wooooooooo
[00:03] <kaotrix> Illuminati agents are upon us.
[00:05] <Ghaleon> HIDE THE KITTAHS
[00:08] <CyrixLord> illuminati just struck the space needle
[00:08] <CyrixLord> we're going to be the laughing stock
[00:14] <kozmonaut> happy new year
[00:21] <Ghaleon> happy new koz
[00:22] <CyrixLord> u 2!
[00:25] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[00:31] <kozmonaut> hrm!
[00:36] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
[00:38] <chai> it's kozmo ! hide your women !
[00:40] <kozmonaut> tesitfy
[00:41] <kozmonaut> fuck, i need a good efnet server, all the random ones keep disconnecting
[00:46] <kozmonaut> hrm, irc having a hard time with my ident server
[00:52] <kozmonaut> hrm
[01:59] <kozmonaut> lol at this
[01:59] <kozmonaut> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html
[02:28] <kozmonaut> hrm
[02:39] <[]> whats your game made with kozmonaut
[02:41] <chai> kozmo, you should make an updater for your game
[02:41] <chai> if you keep making people download the whole thing for every revision, it will
[02:52] <kozmonaut> i know
[02:52] <kozmonaut> thats one of the main things im doing before another public release
[02:52] <kozmonaut> new server with all the login fixes and the update
[02:52] <kozmonaut> once my core scripts are done, i can update graphics and levels indefinat
[02:53] <chai> cool
[05:34] * aav_hlm2 is now known as aav_hlm
[05:36] <[]> hi aav
[05:36] <[]> hows going
[05:52] <aav_hlm> hi []
[05:52] <aav_hlm> just working
[07:15] * chai_ is now known as chai
[07:18] <[]> hey Dr_Rambo
[07:18] <[]> happy new year
[07:18] <Dr_Rambo> hey honky Happy New year to u too :D
[07:18] <aav_hlm2> hny []
[07:18] <aav_hlm2> whats up
[07:18] <Dr_Rambo> hey aav
[07:18] <[]> just chillin, playing some kotor, reading up on asynch servers in python
[07:19] <[]> finally found some better examples
[07:19] <Dr_Rambo> examlpes?
[07:19] <[]> the asynchat and asyncore examples are dodgy
[07:19] <aav_hlm2> and you Dr_Bimbo :)
[07:19] <aav_hlm2> Dr_Rambo
[07:19] <Dr_Rambo> what xamples are u looking for
[07:19] <[]> and largely rooted around recreating a http server
[07:19] <Dr_Rambo> ohh ok
[07:19] <[]> something more like what i'm doing
[07:19] <[]> which isnt recreating an http server
[07:19] <Dr_Rambo> KOTOR ? cool
[07:19] <Dr_Rambo> I always wanted to play that game
[07:19] <[]> oh its good stuff
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> never got into it
[07:20] <[]> i got it cheap from the bargain bin, i'd recommend it
[07:20] <[]> thinking about plugging farcry instincts in next
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> is it hardcore RPG?
[07:20] <[]> definately
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> like turn base when in comba
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> combat
[07:20] <[]> well sorta
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> or more action RPG
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> ?
[07:20] <[]> its turn based but progressed in realtime
[07:20] <Dr_Rambo> ah ok
[07:20] <[]> theres like, saving throws and 1d20 talk and shit like that
[07:20] <[]> its definatley hardcore rpg
[07:21] <[]> but with a nicely executed scifi theme
[07:21] <[]> honestly feels more genuinely starwars than any of the last 3 movies
[07:22] <Dr_Rambo> cool
[07:22] <Dr_Rambo> yeh, I would definitely want to look into it
[07:22] <Dr_Rambo> it's produced by bioware isn't it?
[07:22] <Dr_Rambo> they recently made that impressive looking game... "Mass Effect" or someth
[07:22] <Dr_Rambo> using similar game mechanics
[07:24] <[]> yah i hear nothing but good things about mass effect
[07:24] <[]> it'll prolly be the next 360 game i get
[07:25] <[]> i was thinking about tgetting bioshock but i think thats a better one to just re
[07:25] <[]> which i've already done (almost), so still figuring what i'll get next to buy
[07:34] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[07:34] <Dr_Rambo> Crysis? :D
[07:39] <kaotrix> ??
[07:39] <kaotrix> someone mentioned Crysis
[07:39] <kaotrix> yes?
[07:39] <kaotrix> what about it?
[07:39] <kaotrix> huh?
[07:39] <kaotrix> say something
[07:39] <[]> you are not authorized
[07:39] <[]> that information is released on a need to know basis. you do not need to know.
[07:39] <kaotrix> Crysis is the mack daddy of all first-person shooters
[07:40] <kaotrix> quote that
[07:40] <kaotrix> If you haven't played Crysis yet.....
[07:41] <kaotrix> You deserve to be tortured by George Bush under suspicious of terrorist act
[07:41] <kaotrix> E-PENIS SHATTERED
[07:41] <kaotrix> Ghaleon agrees
[07:41] <kaotrix> 5 stars
[07:41] <kaotrix> the kittens love it
[07:41] <kaotrix> awesome
[07:42] <kaotrix> amazing
[07:42] <[]> we call this an advanced information gathering tactic
[07:42] <kaotrix> spectacular
[07:42] <[]> NOT torture
[07:42] <kaotrix> lmao
[07:42] <kaotrix> It'll be funny if the Bush administration uses that excuse.
[07:42] <[]> i have heard that many third world countries actually offer free theraputic peni
[07:42] <kaotrix> ouch
[07:43] <[]> i havent heard any reports of the natives disliking the process
[07:43] <[]> none from reputable sources that is
[07:43] <kaotrix> school starts tomorrow
[07:43] <kaotrix> FUCK
[07:43] <[]> cut off your penis
[07:43] <kaotrix> Don't feel like going.
[07:43] <kaotrix> lmao wtf
[07:43] <[]> you wont have to go for a long time
[07:43] <kaotrix> weird
[07:43] <kaotrix> I thought [] = sort
[07:43] <kaotrix> Who are you?
[07:43] <[]> honkykong
[07:44] <kaotrix> aren't you a op here?
[07:44] <[]> negative
[07:44] <kaotrix> hmm
[07:44] <[]> that would be a horrid mistake
[07:44] <kaotrix> I don't really pay attention to this channel. I haven't coded anything game
[07:44] <aav_hlm2> a paramedic as an op? that'd be the day
[07:44] <[]> i would enforce a harsh rule with much iron fisting
[07:44] * aav_hlm2 is now known as aav_hlm
[07:44] <kaotrix> Been doing webdev instead.
[07:44] <[]> lol aav
[07:45] <kaotrix> afk for a bit
[07:45] <[]> sometime between telling peopel to walk it off and shooting people up with happy
[07:54] <aav_hlm> until your thighs give out
[07:54] <aav_hlm> but sure
[07:54] <[]> lol
[07:54] <[]> btw i'm not actually a paramedic yet
[07:54] <[]> emt
[07:54] <[]> its not as good but same idea
[07:55] <aav_hlm> yeah
[07:55] <aav_hlm> also, one of the grand masters of the channel, Krissa, is an EMT
[07:55] <[]> oh, i didnt know
[07:56] <[]> must have missed the secret handshake
[08:33] <aav_hlm> :)
[08:34] <[]> well i gotta say, words simply can not overstate how horrible a movie karate dog
[08:34] <[]> it took 3 tries but i did finally watch the whole thing
[08:46] <aav_hlm> karate... dog?
[08:46] <[]> yep
[08:47] <[]> i wanted to see just how bad it was
[08:47] <[]> the fight scene at the end had a pivotal moment where the dog implemented a 'sup
[08:48] <aav_hlm> http://www.lindt.com/1610/3335/3403/3862/3876/3877.asp <- great
[08:48] <aav_hlm> [], heh
[08:48] <[]> cool
[08:48] <[]> yeah i love pralines
[08:49] <aav_hlm> aav++
[08:50] <aav_hlm> *play mario grow sound*
[08:50] <aav_hlm> and other nerdiness
[09:08] <[]> lol
[09:08] <[]> gotta eat shrooms and smoke fire plants
[09:50] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[09:50] <[]> hihi
[09:50] <[]> happy new yar
[09:51] <ht7z> yarr to you too, matey!
[09:51] <[Relic]> :)
[09:55] * [] shivers his timbers
[10:22] <Cryovat> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2y52j_world-of-goo-gameplay-trailer_tech
[10:22] <Cryovat> This game looks so cool
[10:24] <kaotrix> THIS GAME LOOKS COOL
[10:24] <kaotrix> BUT YOU KNOW WHAT??
[10:24] <kaotrix> IT WON'T SELL!! LMAO
[10:30] <gadjo> are you romanians?
[10:35] <violator> BELLA FIGA! HELLO TUTTI!
[10:37] <Cryovat> kaotrix: Sadly, that's true :(
[10:37] <kaotrix> yeah
[10:37] <kaotrix> unless the game is on the Wii
[10:37] <Cryovat> People will be too busy buying Rehashed Sportgame 2008 and Brutal Gray Bloo
[10:37] <kaotrix> it might do well on that platform
[10:37] <kaotrix> lmao wtf
[10:38] <Cryovat> It'll be three platforms - PC, Mac and Linux
[10:38] <[]> Cryovat rehashed sportgame 2008?!?! THE MADDEN EDITION?
[10:38] <[]> isnt that the one thats.... JUST SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT?!?!
[10:38] <Cryovat> So I guess a small amount of PC and Mac users will buy it and Linux users w
[10:38] <Cryovat> []: No, it has more shaders and different player names!
[10:38] <kaotrix> lol @ linux users
[10:38] <[]> woah
[10:39] <kaotrix> Didn't know they were still alive.
[10:39] <[]> i gotta get that
[10:39] * [] throws out 2007 edition
[10:39] <[]> suck ass old busted crap
[10:39] <kaotrix> Cryovat: We shouldn't feel worry for the developers. If they wanted the gam
[10:39] <[]> damn, i'm gonna need a way better graphics card for this edition... that must me
[10:40] <kaotrix> For instance, a great majority of Wii owners tend to be more open-minded ab
[10:40] <Cryovat> Well
[10:40] <Cryovat> Their problem is that they're indie
[10:40] <Cryovat> Getting onto a console without some big publisher is hard
[10:41] <kaotrix> Whereas 360 owners will probably dismiss it uopn initial impression because
[10:41] <Cryovat> <--- 360 owner :P
[10:41] <[]> i dunno
[10:41] <[]> are there boobs?
[10:41] <[]> goo + boobs could be a really great game
[10:41] <[]> Super Boob Spooger 2000 PRO
[10:41] <Cryovat> While I do own Gears of War (mediocre methinks) and Halo 3, my collection i
[10:41] <[]> I'd buy it
[10:42] <Cryovat> Speaking of that, hopefully I'll get Senko no Ronde tomorrow, mail is takin
[10:42] <Cryovat> Never really figured out what it's about
[10:43] <Cryovat> Buy judging from the trailers it's a bullet hell schmup/fighting game cross
[10:43] <[]> anyone know if theres any plans for anything like a new freelancer for 360?
[10:43] <Cryovat> So per definition, it should be good :D
[10:43] <[]> i so.... sOooooo loved freelancer
[10:43] <Cryovat> Freelancer gets too much attention
[10:43] <[]> ?
[10:43] <[]> what else is there like it for any modern platform
[10:44] <Cryovat> I'd rather have a proper Archimedian Dynasty
[10:44] <Cryovat> +remake
[10:44] <[]> bah, elitest :P
[10:44] <Cryovat> :D
[10:44] <[]> if you wanna play the way back machine game, lets just call it an Elite knock of
[10:44] <[]> but i was trying to be 'accessible'
[10:44] <Cryovat> Hehe
[10:44] <[]> hell i'd be happy with a new colony wars
[10:45] <[]> fucking anything like that genre of game
[10:45] <[]> its like its gone extinct
[10:45] <Cryovat> You played Escape Velocity Nova?
[10:45] <[]> old dreamcast game?
[10:45] <Cryovat> Nah, Mac game ported to WIndows
[10:45] <[]> space schmup?
[10:45] <Cryovat> Nah
[10:45] <[]> huh i dunno, dont think so
[10:45] <Cryovat> More trader
[10:45] <[]> newp
[10:45] <[]> pc's one thing, got a few options left there
[10:45] <Cryovat> Should look it up if you enjoy Elite-alikes
[10:45] <[]> like freespace, etc
[10:46] <[]> but i want a nextgen console one
[10:46] <Cryovat> I never got around to playing X3
[10:46] <[]> meh, never really got that into the x's
[10:46] <[]> more strategy from my understanding
[10:46] <[]> i want space dogfighting, but not on rails
[10:47] <[]> openended space exploration with missions of dogfighting and crazy races and can
[10:47] <[]> something like freelancer but where you can go down to the planets too and do st
[10:47] <Cryovat> Hehe
[10:47] <Cryovat> I like the creepy exploration missions
[10:47] <Cryovat> Escape Velocity Nova had an amazing one
[10:48] <[]> it sounds familiar, i may have played it
[10:48] <Cryovat> You were sent to explore a ruin world far outside the colonized systems
[10:48] <[]> was your dad a space miner?
[10:48] <[]> killed by some galactic space mobster?
[10:48] <Cryovat> Hmm
[10:48] <Cryovat> Can't remember
[10:48] <[]> i played one of those, was kinda aight, graphics were really subpar tho, and was
[10:48] <Cryovat> Anyway, halfways to the planet, these glowing rock like things start follow
[10:49] <Cryovat> I love stuff like that
[10:49] <[]> glowing rocks?
[10:49] <[]> crack kills man
[10:49] <[]> leave it alone
[10:49] <[]> lol
[10:49] <Cryovat> Does anything beat the feeling that there's something out there? :D
[10:50] <[]> vagina
[10:50] <Cryovat> And that said something is very likely to be malicious and about to return
[10:50] <[]> oral
[10:50] <[]> good oral anyways
[10:51] <[]> on a related note, hooray for bewbs
[10:51] <[]> well i've been putting off doing the dishes for about... 4 monthes now
[10:51] <[]> i think its time
[10:52] <[Relic]> just buy new ones, it is safer :)
[10:54] <Cryovat> Paper dishes?
[11:04] <kaotrix> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-cat-di
[11:37] <[]> lol yeah it would have been much safer
[11:37] <[]> it was like a fucking archeology dig in there
[11:38] <[]> but phases 1, 2, and 3 are complete (1 = find the bottom of the sink, 2 = clean
[11:39] <Ghaleon> 4) party again and get all dishes dirty
[11:39] <[]> but now i'm out of hot water, so i have an eggcrate full of *extremely* funky di
[11:39] <[]> ahhh thats why i did the silverware first you see
[11:39] <[]> by itself, there can be no party... but the same cannot be said for the plates a
[11:40] <[]> so i do stuff in a reverse order of partiablity, like a memory stack
[11:40] <[]> least partiable = first out, most partiable = last out
[11:40] <[]> and so now you know... much much more than anyone would reasonably ever want to
[11:41] <[]> the worst part is how this dish blight originated
[11:42] <flashed> no hangoverz... yay
[11:42] <Ghaleon> in the grate dish war of last year
[11:42] <[]> i was in pretty much the exact same situation before... dishes so seriously funk
[11:42] <Ghaleon> flashed: u didn't do it right then
[11:42] <flashed> i did :D
[11:42] <flashed> but i slept for 12 hours.. i think has something to do with it
[11:43] <[]> and then... school happened, and a string of sexathons, and quite a bit of drugs
[11:44] <[]> so now you know... and you can not unknow. you can /clear, but the memory shall
[11:44] <[]> i never get hangovers
[11:44] <Ghaleon> then u did it wrong
[11:44] <[]> i honestly dont know wtf they are
[11:44] <flashed> you never drink then..
[11:44] <Ghaleon> you need to drink with Ghaleon
[11:44] <[]> well thats true i dont really drink much... but when i do drink i can pretty muc
[11:44] <flashed> caipiras will rock yur ass []
[11:44] <[]> k
[11:44] <[]> what kinda drink is that?
[11:45] <[]> i think my metabolism funks with how some stuff affects me
[11:45] <flashed> cachaça.. ice and slice of lemon..
[11:45] <[]> like cocaine does absolutely nothing to me
[11:45] <[]> nothing in the slightest
[11:47] <[]> maybe i'm an alien cyborg sent from the future to do drugs in the past with my g
[11:47] <Ghaleon> nah, yer just stuck in the 80s
[11:47] <[]> that 6 * 9 really is 42
[11:47] <[]> i think my explanation is the only reasonable one
[11:47] <Ghaleon> a cyborg from the 80s
[11:47] <[]> lol i should look like a nagel drawing
[11:48] <Ghaleon> n e ways
[11:48] <[]> aye
[11:48] <Ghaleon> goin to buys the rams
[11:48] <Ghaleon> yay ramz
[11:48] <[]> good luck
[11:48] <[]> choose them well
[11:48] <[]> squeeze for firmness
[11:48] * Ghaleon equips kittah +2
[11:48] <[]> and thump them first
[11:48] <Ghaleon> dis is nawt a bundinha contest
[11:48] <[]> if they dont thump proper, or theres any sign of brusing, try to find some fresh
[11:49] <flashed> it isnt?
[11:49] <[]> there is no rams
[11:49] <[]> there is only ZOOOL
[11:50] <Ghaleon> don't crozz da streamz
[11:50] <Ghaleon> wait... does crozz da streamz!
[11:50] <[]> well we can cross the streams... but if you pees on me theres gonna be some real
[11:50] <[]> totally 100$ very serious
[11:51] <[]> you go now
[11:51] <[]> me too... i need coffee
[11:53] <Cryovat> http://www.pennyarcademerch.com/pat070431.html
[11:53] <Cryovat> Tempted.... Very tempted
[12:00] <aav_hlm> what is that
[12:03] <Cryovat> Shirt
[12:15] <[]> looks like a quality product
[12:15] <[]> needs a 'noob...' setting
[12:16] <Cryovat> Hehe
[12:16] <Cryovat> Played Mass Effect?
[12:16] <Cryovat> It's a jab at the conversation UI
[12:17] <Ghaleon> I'm playing it right now
[12:18] <Ghaleon> / take off yer pants
[12:18] <Ghaleon> \ kill alien scum
[12:18] <aav_hlm> ok
[12:28] <[]> lol nah havent tried it
[12:28] <[]> i hear its kinda like kotor tho, which has a similar dialog dynamic, but more of
[12:29] <[]> wtf i took the 'how evil are you' test and i'm only like, 36 percent evil
[12:29] <[]> course my evilness is all like 'would you kill someone - yep' 'have you gotten i
[12:30] <[]> http://www.blogthings.com/howevilareyouquiz/ if anyones curious
[12:31] <kaotrix> Hey guys
[12:31] <kaotrix> coding Halo 4 brb
[12:33] <flashed> You Are 68% Evil w00t
[12:33] <kaotrix> FLASH GORDON IN DA HOUSE
[12:34] <flashed> tru
[12:38] <Ghaleon> "You're the most evil person you know. The devil is even a little scared of
[12:38] <flashed> how much?
[12:39] <Ghaleon> 98
[12:40] <kaotrix> Ghaleon
[12:40] <kaotrix> wrong answer
[12:40] <kaotrix> 42
[12:42] <Ghaleon> :O
[12:44] <Scottc> ....
[12:53] * ddh is now known as ddh-cod4
[12:59] <[]> lol
[13:00] <[]> it didnt ask why i'd be killing somebody tho
[13:00] <[]> hell i'll do it for free for the right reason
[13:14] * ddh-cod4 is now known as ddh
[13:27] <_Butcher_> cool You Are 84% Evil
[13:27] <_Butcher_> >:D
[13:28] <[]> lol
[13:29] <[]> goddamn that was teh single worst donut i've ever had
[13:34] <[Relic]> try another to be sure
[13:34] <[]> theres another sitting here... daring me
[13:34] <[]> i'm skurred
[13:35] <[]> it was a free donut and yet i feel robbed
[13:41] <[]> you know you're in for a shit donut when it comes individually wrapped in celoph
[13:43] <aav_hlm2> i.e. "i found this on the floor, but it's too dirty to put in the display
[13:43] <aav_hlm2> vending cabinet
[13:52] * aav_hlm2 is now known as aav_hlm
[14:01] <Ghaleon> w00tz
[14:01] <Ghaleon> ramz aquired
[14:02] <Cryovat> How much?
[14:03] <Ghaleon> 2x2GB stix
[14:03] <Ghaleon> one set for desktop
[14:03] <Cryovat> Very nice
[14:03] <Ghaleon> one set for laptop
[14:04] <[]> one for []? :)
[14:04] <Ghaleon> s/one/none
[14:05] <Ghaleon> I do have some spare memoriez now I guess
[14:08] <[]> you should make some sorta jewlree out of it... a crown of memory
[14:08] <[]> or like, how the ganstas have those rings that go on four fingers at once, you c
[14:09] <[]> itd be nerd-gangsta
[14:09] <[]> on one put UDIE and the other put N00B
[14:09] <[]> you'd need some sort 'grill' with IC inlays tho
[14:10] <Ghaleon> :O
[14:10] <Ghaleon> they can be teef
[14:10] <[]> DDR chompers
[14:31] <yenal> hey
[14:32] <yenal> i change the dimensions of a window by using setwindowpos, it works however a
[14:32] <yenal> i tried invalidaterect updatewindow
[14:32] <yenal> none of them worked
[14:32] <yenal> am i doing something wrong
[14:33] <wkr4k4r> did you resize your controls?
[14:33] <wkr4k4r> heh
[14:33] <yenal> there is no control
[14:33] <yenal> its a dx app
[14:35] <[]> http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article1778.asp
[14:35] <[]> that might be helpful
[14:35] <[]> are you using mfc or any of that goofy horseshit?
[14:36] <yenal> nope
[14:36] <yenal> win32 api
[14:37] <yenal> you wanna see a screenshot?
[14:37] <[]> i dont think i can really help much
[14:37] <[]> i do all my dx stuff fullscreen
[14:37] <[]> or in windows that i dont allow to resize
[14:37] <yenal> hmm
[14:38] <[]> but i bet you need to reset your transform, like that app in that link does
[14:38] <yenal> reset my transform?
[14:38] <[]> search for ::resize in that doc
[14:38] <yenal> there is nothing in the screen
[14:38] <[]> look at what it does there
[14:39] <yenal> this thing i am talking about is prolly not a dx issue
[14:39] <[]> kinda makes a screenshot pointless than huh? :P
[14:39] <yenal> no it still makes sense
[14:39] <[]> lol k then post a screener lets see
[14:40] <yenal> http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/543/ssnj2.jpg
[14:41] <yenal> if i mouse over that old non erased area, it is erased
[14:42] <[]> huh
[14:42] <[]> see the onidle event in that mfc app?
[14:42] <[]> maybe you need to invalidate the entire window, not just a rectangle
[14:43] <[]> AfxGetMainWnd()->Invalidate(false); is the line i'm looking at... dunno what
[14:43] <[]> prolly something real similar
[14:43] <[]> mfc is such lame
[14:44] <[]> maybe invalidate hwnd 0, i think thats the desktop, hell i dunno tho, been a whi
[14:44] <wkr4k4r> yes
[14:44] <wkr4k4r> its more than a headache
[14:44] <wkr4k4r> its hell
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> it never invalidates it
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> its like its on crack
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> I KNOW
[14:45] <yenal> i did not see anything that helps me. but thanks
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> i dealt with this crap
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> do you have multi threads
[14:45] <yenal> nope
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> no idea then
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> in my cdburner program there were multiple threads
[14:45] <wkr4k4r> and this was a big pain
[14:45] <yenal> anyway i can deal with this problem later
[14:46] <yenal> i gotta implement my first game :)
[14:46] <[]> have you looked in the sdk examples? cause they're resizable and theres some non
[14:46] <yenal> []: good idea
[14:46] <[]> yes its really a silly thing to get hung up on
[14:46] <Ghaleon> looks more like you are not allowing other applications time to redraw
[14:46] <yenal> Ghaleon: i do
[14:46] <Ghaleon> do you have a Sleep(1) in your main loop?
[14:47] <yenal> nope
[14:47] <yenal> not in the rendering loop
[14:47] <Ghaleon> in the main main main loop
[14:47] <yenal> when the app is not active there is ::Sleep(10)
[14:47] <Ghaleon> you need a Sleep(1) during game
[14:48] <Ghaleon> absolutely imperitive
[14:48] <yenal> is the pastebin working
[14:48] <Ghaleon> it is
[14:48] <Ghaleon> void main() { loopz { do_stuff(); Sleep(1); } return E_TOO_MUCH_JUNK_IN_THE
[14:49] <Ghaleon> or smth
[14:49] <yenal> http://pastebin.com/m5464025
[14:49] <[]> also->DONGS();
[14:49] <yenal> so there should be a sleep(1) no matter what?
[14:49] <Ghaleon> yes
[14:50] <Ghaleon> otherwise you get 110% cpu
[14:50] <Ghaleon> and nothing else has time to update
[14:51] <yenal> i tried did not help
[14:51] <Ghaleon> well keep it there ;) it's still good
[14:51] <yenal> anyway i will try to forget this problem (for now)
[14:51] <Ghaleon> yeah, seems small
[14:51] <yenal> so i want to do this regular tetris game however i want to use meshes
[14:52] <Ghaleon> I want it on my desk by friday
[14:52] <yenal> should i use just one cube mesh and use multiple cubes for one block?
[14:52] <yenal> Ghaleon: hehe sure
[14:52] <Ghaleon> yes
[14:52] <Ghaleon> because when you think about it, you are going to have to break them at som
[14:52] <Ghaleon> and then it would get messy if they were not
[14:53] <yenal> so when you have one mesh can you draw it multiple times with different color
[14:53] <Ghaleon> ofc
[14:53] <Ghaleon> color the mesh with white
[14:53] <Ghaleon> then change the diffuse in the lighting ;)
[14:53] <yenal> hmm
[14:53] <yenal> so i dont even need a texture
[14:54] <yenal> do you have a basic mesh class?
[14:54] <Ghaleon> nothing good, no
[14:55] <yenal> let me tell you my idea and tell me if it makes sense
[14:55] <yenal> create an interface called Renderable or something like that
[14:55] <yenal> and have one abstract method
[14:55] <yenal> Render
[14:55] <yenal> and keep a list of Renderable and draw all of them at once
[14:55] <yenal> does this make sense?
[14:56] <Ghaleon> yesch
[14:56] <yenal> in dx tutorials they have index buffers and vertex buffers etc for meshes. ca
[14:57] <yenal> or they are crucial things
[14:57] <[]> which dx you using yenal
[14:57] <yenal> also some buffer for materials
[14:57] <yenal> []: dx9
[14:57] <[]> http://www.directxtutorial.com/Tutorial9/tutorials.aspx
[14:57] <[]> looked through that much?
[14:57] <[]> i found it very helpful
[14:57] <yenal> []: thanks. are you a newb as well? :)
[14:58] <Ghaleon> huhu
[14:58] <[]> i'm permanewb
[14:58] * Ghaleon runs for da hillz
[14:58] <Ghaleon> ohj
[14:58] <yenal> hehe
[14:58] <Ghaleon> I heard one guy did so much irc he was permanewb'd
[14:59] <[]> people forget how newb they are and its the first step to slow death of terminal
[14:59] <[]> i've written some neat stuff tho, probably not exactly what you'd consider newb
[14:59] <yenal> []: trying to break into industry or doing it as a hobby
[15:00] <[]> contracted development
[15:00] <yenal> for me i am trying to switch to the gaming industry
[15:00] <yenal> i am super bored of db applications
[15:00] <[]> i'm a nerd for hire
[15:00] <[]> we've had this talk
[15:00] <[]> you asked me for my source code
[15:00] <[]> i lol'd and lol'd
[15:00] <yenal> did i
[15:00] <yenal> i dont think so
[15:00] <[]> yes
[15:00] <yenal> in case you have a different nick
[15:01] <[]> newp i posted screeners of my 3rd person / fps shooter engine
[15:01] <yenal> you may confuse me with someone else
[15:01] <[]> you got a hardon for it
[15:01] <[]> very flattering but point that thing somewhere else
[15:02] <yenal> were you the one who did a project for a student?
[15:02] <[]> yes
[15:02] <yenal> oh now i remember
[15:02] <yenal> sorry about that
[15:02] <[]> dont let it happen again
[15:02] <yenal> hehe
[15:02] <[]> or ELSE
[15:03] <yenal> your nick is kinda forgettable
[15:03] * [] pelvic thrusts in a threatening manner
[15:03] <[]> good
[15:03] <[]> keep my name out of your mouth
[15:04] <yenal> if you made a 3d engine, you are not a total newb anymore :)
[15:04] <[]> been thinking about porting all my stuff over to opengl
[15:04] <[]> dx is for the lames
[15:04] <yenal> opengl seems worse to me
[15:05] <[]> k, enjoy :P
[15:05] <[]> personally i dislike ms trying to crawl up my ass
[15:05] <yenal> did you guys see 3d flash?
[15:05] <yenal> its software rendering though
[15:06] <[]> welcome to oh-so-very-long-ago
[15:06] <yenal> there is a plugin called papervision
[15:06] <yenal> i recently saw it
[15:06] <yenal> did not know that flash can do 3d
[15:06] <[]> yeah its a creative use of one of the filters flash can do
[15:06] <[]> remaps one sprites pixels based on anothers
[15:07] <[]> pretty spiffy
[15:07] <[]> actually thinking about making a wing commander-esque space shooter out of it
[15:07] <[]> would be a good application of that sort of thing
[15:07] <yenal> our web designer thinks that he can create something cool out of it
[15:08] <yenal> but he does not know shit about programming
[15:08] <[]> then that should be quite amusing
[15:08] <yenal> it will be
[15:09] <[]> blah i should work on my multiplayer servar
[15:09] <yenal> []: do i have to set any special rendering mode to display meshes?
[15:10] <[]> i dont remember, i dont think so
[15:10] <[]> you should read that link i pasted
[15:12] <[]> not really sure what you're asking actually
[15:12] <[]> texturing can be a kinda wooly string of setting diff renderstates and shit
[15:12] <wkr4k4r> texturing is about loading the fucking thing with the skin
[15:12] <wkr4k4r> heh
[15:12] <[]> better to use shaders but i never did
[15:12] <[]> shaders always pissed me off
[15:13] <wkr4k4r> i just got mine working right
[15:13] <wkr4k4r> lol
[15:13] <[]> pita
[15:13] <wkr4k4r> stupid lightings
[15:13] <yenal> i did not set up a camera that may be the reason i get a weird shape instead
[15:13] <wkr4k4r> yea
[15:13] <[]> i just got the fucking rendstate pipeline shit working when i came to the conclu
[15:13] <wkr4k4r> not matproj?, lol
[15:13] <[]> didnt feel like remaking it
[15:14] <[]> yenal read the tut or thrash about in a sea of lameness
[15:14] <[]> it very clearly explains how to do all this shit
[15:14] <yenal> is it possible to make an all purpose camera class?
[15:14] <[]> MUCH better than the ms sdk's
[15:14] <yenal> []: i am
[15:14] <wkr4k4r> the ms sdks are great
[15:14] <wkr4k4r> all the examples are trash
[15:14] <[]> feh
[15:14] <wkr4k4r> its great
[15:15] <[]> </3 ms sdk and its examples
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> why?
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> its so kewl!
[15:15] <[]> the examples are wonked around bullshit that would never apply to a real world a
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> i like how all 3 different dx9 sdks ahve different examples
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> lol
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> of course
[15:15] <wkr4k4r> the examples are trash
[15:16] <[]> and the sdk is constantly trying to get you to use some different shit to do wha
[15:16] <[]> like method a says 'newp use method b', and when you check out method b it says
[15:17] <yenal> dxut gui looks cool but i do not like to use the other part of dxut
[15:17] <wkr4k4r> dxut is junk
[15:17] <wkr4k4r> broken junk
[15:17] <[]> ""
[15:17] <[]> exactly the bullshit i'm referring to actually
[15:17] <[]> if its not dxut its fucking retained mode or some bullshit
[15:18] <[]> this and many other reasons are why i'm leaning strongly on the side of 'fuck ms
[15:22] <wkr4k4r> well dont use dxut for anything serious
[15:22] <wkr4k4r> it will crash
[15:24] <[]> whats the point of a dx app if its not a serious one
[15:24] <[]> its either serious bizness or its a tool to learn how to do some serious bizness
[15:24] <yenal> ok i drew the teapot however it looks messed up :)
[15:24] <yenal> http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9724/sspx5.jpg
[15:25] <[]> so dxut is always, at best, a total waste of time, and at worst, some bullshit y
[15:25] <[]> tired of microsoft constantly doing that kind of shit
[15:25] <[]> whats wrong with it
[15:25] <[]> looks like a nicely culled teapot
[15:25] <yenal> check the top
[15:25] <[]> yeah thats call backface culling
[15:25] <[]> its a good thing
[15:25] <yenal> nooo
[15:26] <[]> oh
[15:26] <yenal> what do you call the thing on the top
[15:26] <[]> yeah the top is inside out isnt it
[15:26] <yenal> its messed up
[15:26] <yenal> yep
[15:26] <[]> i think you want to optimize the mesh
[15:26] <[]> or something like that
[15:26] <yenal> its kind weird
[15:26] <yenal> i did whatever is told in the tutorial
[15:26] <yenal> anyway its a good tutorial
[15:26] <[]> it wants normalized
[15:28] <wkr4k4r> the normals dont matter
[15:28] <wkr4k4r> it will just have shit lighting
[15:28] <wkr4k4r> w/o them
[15:28] <yenal> i found out why
[15:28] <wkr4k4r> why?
[15:28] <yenal> auto depth stencil was not enabled
[15:29] <yenal> i dont know what it is though
[15:29] <[]> ah yeah
[15:29] <[]> zbuffering
[15:29] <yenal> it is equal to z buffering?
[15:29] <yenal> it makes sense
[15:29] <[]> that'd do it, lol n/m about the normals then
[15:29] <[]> looked inside out
[15:29] <[]> yeah see it drew the handle part of the top, then it drew the back stuff behind
[15:30] <Ghaleon> shows me
[15:30] <[]> with a zbuffer it checks each pixel and goes oh, theres something closer than th
[15:30] <Ghaleon> oh lol
[15:30] <Ghaleon> no depth = no secxz
[15:30] <yenal> i will make a tetris with teapots :)
[15:31] <Ghaleon> lame ;/
[15:31] <Ghaleon> that'd be like teapotris
[15:31] <[]> ...and it will suck
[15:31] <[]> real bad
[15:32] <[]> should make tetris with dongs
[15:32] <[]> dongtris
[15:33] <yenal> btw isnt there a method to create a cube
[15:33] <yenal> its so stupid if there is not
[15:33] <[]> its so stupid.
[15:33] <yenal> they have teapot and no cube
[15:33] <Ghaleon> lol
[15:33] <Ghaleon> nobody needs help with a cube
[15:33] <Ghaleon> teapots are hardcore
[15:33] <[]> teacore
[15:34] <Ghaleon> the sdk comes with a cube mesh anywyas
[15:35] <Ghaleon> *anyways
[15:35] <yenal> one quick question
[15:35] <yenal> font has onlostdevice and onresetdevice methods
[15:35] <yenal> what should i do for a mesh
[15:36] <wkr4k4r> i think it has D3DXCreateBox
[15:36] <wkr4k4r> heh
[15:36] <wkr4k4r> not cube
[15:36] <wkr4k4r> heh
[15:36] <Ghaleon> zomg it does ;P
[15:36] <[]> i dont think its a uvmapped cube anyways
[15:36] <Ghaleon> how terrible
[15:37] <[]> none of the primitives are mapped proper i believe
[15:37] <Ghaleon> for a mesh use the managed pool
[15:37] <Ghaleon> you wont have to do much else
[15:38] <yenal> i guess you are right because the teapot is still there after a device reset
[15:38] <yenal> but lights are lost
[15:38] <yenal> i have to reset them
[15:40] <yenal> ok so there are 3 matrixes view, world and projection. should the camera clas
[15:52] <yenal> nevermind got it
[16:02] <[]> phew
[16:02] <[]> i was worried
[16:02] * Disconnected
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[16:02] * Topic is 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: HAPPY NEW YEAR 2008!!!'
[16:02] * Set by Dr_Rambo!Dr_Rambo@frost.d4.ru on Mon Dec 31 17:14:16
[16:02] -neobleed_- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[16:18] <wkr4k4r> it works
[16:29] <Ghaleon> liez
[17:55] * ZorbaBeta is now known as ZorbaTHut
[18:23] <kozmolot> what up
[18:25] * kozmolot is now known as kozmonaut
[18:45] <kozmonaut> hrm
[19:01] * chai_ is now known as chai
[19:09] <Ghaleon> wert up kozmo
[19:09] <Ghaleon> just had me some dinna
[19:10] <flashed> wut you had for it?
[19:10] <kozmonaut> nada dude
[19:11] <kozmonaut> think i sorted out my whole connection issue
[19:11] <Ghaleon> nyce
[19:12] <Ghaleon> we almost perma banninated you
[19:12] <Ghaleon> ;)
[19:12] <Ghaleon> wu was da plobrem?
[19:12] <kozmonaut> it looked like my new machine was using my old ones ip
[19:12] <kozmonaut> and i had my old one on a demiltrized zone for hosting my game
[19:13] <kozmonaut> so once i stoped the DM and did a /release all /renew it seemes to be wor
[19:13] <kozmonaut> also, when i was connecting to IRC it was saying my current computer was
[19:14] <kozmonaut> man, my new computer is soooo qui8et
[19:14] <kozmonaut> i tured on my old one, and it was rumbling and roaring like ghals mom aft
[19:14] <kozmonaut> the fan was so loud, i think i might just sell it insted of turning it in
[19:15] <flashed> upgrade the fans
[19:16] <kozmonaut> yeah, i suppose
[19:16] <kozmonaut> they are all dusty and shit
[19:17] <flashed> some passive cooling maybe?
[19:17] <Ghaleon> hehe
[19:17] <Ghaleon> just put it out in tha snow
[19:17] <kozmonaut> hehe
[19:17] <flashed> or drawn it in oil
[19:17] <kozmonaut> im not putting it near my nose candy
[19:18] <Ghaleon> :(
[19:18] <Ghaleon> why not
[19:18] <kozmonaut> thats the expensive snow
[19:18] <Ghaleon> it might circulate it and make it easier to inhale
[19:18] <kozmonaut> and we dont have real shit here
[19:24] * kozmonaut disconnects from irc. reason (I dont like cotten)
[19:31] <Ghaleon> cotton newb
[19:32] <savag1> heh
[19:32] * savag1 is now known as randelPRO
[19:34] * Ghaleon upgrades to randelUltimate
[19:37] <Ultyma> :O
[19:51] <randelPRO> I'm thinking I should work on games for a living...
[19:51] <Ghaleon> get out while you still can! it's a jungle in here!
[19:52] <randelPRO> But working on games has to lead to fame and fortune the easy way.
[19:52] <Ghaleon> maybe black mesa
[19:52] <DrScratMD> randelPRO: for 1 person
[19:52] <DrScratMD> Johnanthan Bartholamule Carmack
[19:53] <Ghaleon> Johnny Carmackle
[19:53] <Ghaleon> he's a rocket scientist
[19:53] <DrScratMD> There is no easy way to get rich and famous from being a game developer h
[19:53] <DrScratMD> It takes a team of people to deliver a product
[19:53] <DrScratMD> and you're just a cog not a rockstar.
[19:54] <DrScratMD> perhaps if you in your own time invent some new gaming technology maybe y
[19:54] <DrScratMD> but how likely is that
[19:54] <DrScratMD> and if you work for a game company while doing it they own it
[19:54] <randelPRO> What a hypocrite. Id makes and average of 26Mill on each product they've
[19:55] <randelPRO> The hypocrite & jerk label was for Carmak, no one here.
[19:55] <randelPRO> Thought I'd throw that disclaimer out since IRC is the king of miscommuni
[19:55] <DrScratMD> huhu
[19:56] <s1d> why should every other directx programmer be famous
[19:56] <DrScratMD> john carmack never invented any technology, all he did was apply existing
[19:56] <DrScratMD> raycasting was around since the 60s or so
[19:56] <s1d> .. tracing
[19:56] <DrScratMD> casting too
[19:56] <DrScratMD> raycasting was in wolfies
[19:56] <randelPRO> Heh, and he invents new nomenclature for his implementation of old ideas.
[19:57] <kozmonaut> 2008 is the year i get perm ops here
[19:57] <DrScratMD> Carmakinogin
[19:57] <DrScratMD> setting your goals now kozmonaut
[19:57] <randelPRO> hmm, ops, that's a good idea.
[19:58] <flashed> no game uses raytracing for graphics..
[19:58] <DrScratMD> The first ray casting (versus ray tracing) algorithm used for rendering w
[19:58] <flashed> DrScratMD is right.. wolfie used ray casting
[19:58] <DrScratMD> The term was first used in computer graphics in a 1982 paper by Scott Rot
[19:59] <flashed> but they dont use raytracing cuse they're dumb asses
[19:59] <flashed> raytracing > *
[20:00] <randelPRO> ah, that's better
[20:00] * neobleed_ is now known as neobleed
[20:00] <kozmonaut> moan :)
[20:01] <DrScratMD> they don't use raytracing in computer games because it generates too real
[20:02] <flashed> tr00
[20:02] <Nutter> go go gadget raycaster! ;P
[20:03] <randelPRO> And the winner of the 2007 console wars: The Nintendo DS
[20:03] <DrScratMD> really?
[20:03] <Nutter> sadly so... we should all just take a minute to cry
[20:04] <DrScratMD> that's not even a console
[20:04] <DrScratMD> huhu
[20:04] <DrScratMD> that's hand held
[20:04] <Nutter> still goes into the console charts
[20:04] <DrScratMD> what won hand held devices, sharp microwave oven?
[20:05] <Nutter> iphone, duh
[20:05] <Ultyma> lol
[20:05] <Ultyma> no the oven of power
[20:05] <Ultyma> http://ovenofpower.ytmnd.com
[20:05] <Nutter> the sharp microwave won the laptop category
[20:05] <kozmonaut> my two tin cans with dayglo colored string won it newps.. I even customiz
[20:05] <randelPRO> I was impressed that Doom DS homebrew, using Prboom source is by far the
[20:05] <DrScratMD> Wii: Units shipped 13.17 million
[20:05] <DrScratMD> PS3: Units sold 5.59 million
[20:05] <DrScratMD> XBOX360: Units sold Worldwide: 13.4 million
[20:06] <randelPRO> nad DS?
[20:06] <randelPRO> and
[20:06] <Ghaleon> DS is 20 mill in Japan alone
[20:06] <DrScratMD> those are wikipedia figures
[20:06] <DrScratMD> which are 6 months behidn
[20:06] <DrScratMD> lol
[20:06] <kozmonaut> hrm
[20:07] <kozmonaut> i knows how to make ds games.. should make a homebrew one
[20:07] <DrScratMD> Nintendo DS: Units sold 53.64 million
[20:07] <Ultyma> Wii Homebrew scene = coming
[20:07] <Ghaleon> Wii Homebrew = gone
[20:07] <Ghaleon> you missed it
[20:07] <Ultyma> what?
[20:07] <randelPRO> Back when everyone ran LEDs for their processor speed on the front of the
[20:07] <Ultyma> its only been like 3 days
[20:07] <Ultyma> how is it gone
[20:08] <Ultyma> lol randel
[20:08] <Ghaleon> Nofrendo will just update tha Wii via SkyNet
[20:08] <Ghaleon> then it will all goez away
[20:08] <randelPRO> I was shocked that Nintendo is allowing the R4 DS hack card to be sold on
[20:08] <DrScratMD> what would have been funny is if you would have worked at sears and put o
[20:09] <Ultyma> just dont upate the wii
[20:09] <randelPRO> DrScratMD, heh, nice
[20:09] <Ultyma> its like the 360 hypervisor hack
[20:09] <Ghaleon> Nintendo is lobbying against R4
[20:09] <DrScratMD> I don't understand why people bought the DS
[20:09] <Ghaleon> it might take a lil time but they are trying to snub it out
[20:09] <kozmonaut> same
[20:10] <randelPRO> DrScratMD, when I first saw that high tech refrigirtor a few years ago wi
[20:10] <kozmonaut> psp is so much better, can handle better res and more palletes and you ca
[20:10] <Ghaleon> I blame grandmas on the DS
[20:10] <DrScratMD> huhu
[20:10] <kozmonaut> i hate that cooking game on the wii
[20:10] <kozmonaut> that mama shit
[20:10] <Ghaleon> lol
[20:10] <randelPRO> Grandmas are buying all those brain excercising games on DS
[20:10] <Ghaleon> u know u liek da mamas
[20:10] <DrScratMD> the PSP is a little nicer, but I don't know why they had to make movies s
[20:11] <Ghaleon> yeah that was a terrible idea
[20:11] <Ghaleon> but I think the MPAA and being as it's Sony... that is their normal mode of
[20:11] <DrScratMD> what would be nice is like they had with I think it was TurboGFX 16, whre
[20:11] <Ghaleon> nah
[20:11] <Ghaleon> CD/DVD's are too large
[20:11] <kozmonaut> turbo graphics!!
[20:11] <DrScratMD> go back to cartridges
[20:11] <kozmonaut> my fav game on it was "bonks adventure"
[20:11] <DrScratMD> So we don't have load times
[20:11] <DrScratMD> its like using a computer now
[20:12] <DrScratMD> the whole point of consoles was fo rit to be like aracade and be instanta
[20:12] <randelPRO> I miss the N64...
[20:12] <Ghaleon> carts are lame too
[20:12] <Ghaleon> I like flash memory
[20:13] <DrScratMD> supposidly if you opened the legend of zelda original nintendo cartridge
[20:13] <DrScratMD> huhu
[20:13] <Ghaleon> lawl
[20:13] <Ghaleon> I doubtz
[20:13] <Ghaleon> that'd be too much hardware
[20:13] <DrScratMD> ya
[20:14] <DrScratMD> but zelda and ultima both had batteries
[20:14] <Ghaleon> for save ram
[20:14] <DrScratMD> I remember the disclaimer on the ultima package
[20:14] <Ghaleon> battery die = no saves
[20:14] <DrScratMD> "this game will save for 4 years"
[20:14] <DrScratMD> yup
[20:14] <Ultyma> lol
[20:14] <DrScratMD> I was like, wait a minute, that fucking sucks
[20:14] <kozmonaut> i hated lord british in ultimas
[20:14] <kozmonaut> was impossible to kill
[20:14] <DrScratMD> I get 4 years before this game self destructs
[20:14] <randelPRO> The stupid reviewers used to piss me off back in N64 days. "Skyfox is so
[20:14] <DrScratMD> ya, you could never kill that guy
[20:15] <Ghaleon> that's cuz he was god
[20:15] <Ghaleon> u didn't get it?
[20:15] <kozmonaut> he did get pked on ultima online tho :)
[20:15] <kozmonaut> when he was giving a big sppech
[20:15] <Ghaleon> everybody did
[20:15] <Ghaleon> that's the way it worked
[20:16] <DrScratMD> what a dumb name
[20:16] <DrScratMD> lord brittish
[20:16] <DrScratMD> how original
[20:17] <randelPRO> I hope his new MMORPG Rubela whatever tanks.
[20:17] <DrScratMD> Rubella, commonly known as German measles
[20:18] <Ghaleon> that requires a good start ;)
[20:18] <Ghaleon> Tabula Rasa
[20:18] <kozmonaut> i think the best thing about his new mmo is the char generator
[20:18] <Ghaleon> what a weird name indeed
[20:18] <kozmonaut> the hairier your guy is, the more he'll adjust himself in game
[20:18] <Ghaleon> char generator... generate ascii like never before! ;D
[20:19] <randelPRO> Anyone ever tried getting that DevKitPro for Nintendo DS working?
[20:19] <Ghaleon> I just use the Nintendo ones
[20:19] <Ghaleon> 8)
[20:21] <randelPRO> I gave up on Nintendo. One of their stupid attorneys e-mails me "Great,
[20:21] <Scottc> wtf
[20:21] <Scottc> there was a bunch of text on my screen
[20:21] <Scottc> and it straight up dissapeared
[20:21] <randelPRO> sorry, that was me.
[20:21] <Scottc> oh
[20:21] <Scottc> different channel
[20:21] <Scottc> haw haw
[20:23] <Ghaleon> I was testing out my new bump mapped fonts
[20:23] <Ghaleon> had to erase it tho
[20:23] <Ghaleon> the cops were after me
[20:24] <flashed> why?
[20:24] <randelPRO> There was this great hack someone used to run at MIT back in the early 80
[20:24] <Ghaleon> they think I was selling tech to the middle east
[20:25] <Ghaleon> running life on text
[20:25] <Ghaleon> that sounds like a fun afternoon
[20:25] <flashed> lol
[20:25] <Scottc> uh
[20:25] <randelPRO> looks cool, as you can imagine
[20:25] <Scottc> how would it be difficult to notice?
[20:25] <Scottc> I would imagine the early 80s monitors are ultralow res
[20:26] <Ghaleon> Scottc: we are talking the early 80s... when people are still recovering fr
[20:26] <randelPRO> heh
[20:26] <flashed> lol
[20:26] <Ghaleon> http://i4.tinypic.com/8awcvuw.jpg
[20:27] <randelPRO> Ghaleon, what was the point of that?
[20:28] <kozmonaut> ghal i dint know you was a model
[20:30] <Ghaleon> wired is all up ons
[20:30] <Ghaleon> randelPRO: no point
[20:30] <Ghaleon> just thought I'd share
[20:31] <flashed> bored :S
[20:31] <kozmonaut> for a diversion read this!
[20:31] <kozmonaut> http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0516.html
[20:32] <randelPRO> kozmonaut, Lucifer will be wearing a parka before I click on any link you
[20:32] <flashed> everyone knows lucifer wears prada..
[20:33] <kozmonaut> its a webcomic
[20:33] <kozmonaut> order of the stick, its wicked
[20:33] <kozmonaut> its all cliche rpg dnd stuff
[20:33] <kozmonaut> but hella funny
[20:33] <randelPRO> Must be similiar to the 3 or 4 Order of the Stick books I already own.
[20:33] <kozmonaut> when then, dont hate
[20:35] <randelPRO> I'm such a friggen RPG nerd I bought a $50 inkjet printer today just so I
[20:36] <kozmonaut> cool, me too!
[20:36] <[Relic]> Vote Satan 2008!! Why settle for the lesser of two evils!!
[20:36] <DrScratMD> what do you do when you rpint character sheets?
[20:36] <DrScratMD> is that an rpg term
[20:36] <DrScratMD> huhu
[20:37] <[Relic]> Elvis Presley / Jimmy Hoffa 2008!! Cause to dead guy could do better th
[20:37] <Ghaleon> why not hand draw them? it's more nerdy.......
[20:38] <randelPRO> I hate all the so-called designers in the video game business who don't h
[20:38] <kozmonaut> randel you ever see meh rpg? P{)
[20:38] <FMJaguar> randelPRO, cause they want to sell games to girls too
[20:39] <randelPRO> Girls can have the Sims products. I could care less whether they play an
[20:40] <[Relic]> can't just dress the halo guys in hello kitty costumes to get them to play
[20:42] <bgilb> i think im going to make a mmorpg
[20:42] <randelPRO> Here's a stupid one "How come they don't make games for girls?" Cuz, we
[20:42] <randelPRO> bgilb, check out www.mmoworkshop.com
[20:42] <bgilb> i don't need a mmorpg maker
[20:43] <chai> heh
[20:43] <Ghaleon> what about an mmorpg maker maker
[20:43] <chai> randelPRO - that's because D&D rules suck
[20:43] <kozmonaut> theres nothing wrong with a open source maker
[20:43] <randelPRO> bgilb, it's not. It's the source from Prairie Games' Minions of Mirth MM
[20:43] <chai> the rules are written around dices and papers
[20:44] <Ghaleon> torque ;/
[20:44] <randelPRO> chai, it's not the rules that should drive people to look at D&D before t
[20:44] <chai> ah fair enough :)
[20:44] <randelPRO> chai, yeah, glad we connected on that.
[20:45] <bgilb> what should my mmorpg be about
[20:45] <Ghaleon> girls
[20:45] <bgilb> in what way
[20:45] <randelPRO> bgilb, life of a video game creator - wannabe
[20:45] <Ghaleon> RPG's fail unless they are about girls
[20:46] <kozmonaut> i disagree
[20:46] <randelPRO> The first person to make a hybrid between World of Warcarft and MySpace,
[20:46] <Ghaleon> he would
[20:46] <Ghaleon> kozmonaut likes the mens
[20:47] <kozmonaut> i dunno my game has an equal men/female representation in player chars, +
[20:47] <chai> lmao that's a good one
[20:47] <chai> hybrid between WoW and myspace lol
[20:48] <chai> world of myspace
[20:48] <randelPRO> nice
[20:48] <chai> you should stamp a trademark on that
[20:48] <randelPRO> I'll grab the domain
[20:49] <chai> almost finished on my pack
[20:49] <chai> http://www.svartberg.com/wip/shieldpack_00_a.jpg
[20:49] <randelPRO> ah, nice
[20:49] <Ghaleon> :O
[20:50] <randelPRO> chai, sell that to Prairie Games. They'll buy it.
[20:50] <Ghaleon> wut u doin it fer?
[20:50] <flashed> looks good
[20:50] <chai> cheers
[20:50] <chai> gonna sell it on turbosquid or something
[20:50] <kozmonaut> randel you make rpgs?
[20:50] <randelPRO> chai, send that picture to info@prairiegames.com
[20:50] <chai> http://www.svartberg.com/wip/shieldpack_00_b.jpg
[20:50] <randelPRO> and that one too.
[20:51] <chai> what's that ?
[20:51] <randelPRO> Minions of Mirth was the first indie MMROPG. Went live in Dec. 05. 60,0
[20:52] <Ghaleon> went dead on Dec 06
[20:52] <flashed> lol
[20:52] <Ghaleon> smth about their host not liking all da bandwidths ;]
[20:52] <kozmonaut> my rpg will be bigger then that shiot
[20:52] <Ghaleon> bigger in da bum
[20:53] <Ghaleon> MIRITE?
[20:53] <kozmonaut> i dunno, your the master of that sort of thing
[20:53] <randelPRO> kozmonaut, I think "will be" is basically what sums you up.
[20:53] <kozmonaut> i dunno, i got 100's of users now, and its just out of testing
[20:53] <Ghaleon> bu fanc
[20:55] <kozmonaut> i know a few 100 isnt much, but considering i dont really advertise but i
[20:56] <bgilb> link
[20:56] <kozmonaut> http://koarpg.com
[21:01] <kozmonaut> We're almost ready to bring out new server software online, and once we c
[21:02] <kozmonaut> big changes in the first quarter is the compleation of all multi-classes
[21:03] <bgilb> cool
[21:08] <chai> I dig the steampunk direction :P
[21:08] <randelPRO> Looks like it's ready to run on a Casio watch...
[21:08] <chai> har har
[21:09] <kozmonaut> yeah :)
[21:09] <kozmonaut> steampunk is cool, i'm definatly adding elements from it, but not a full
[21:10] <kozmonaut> in all cultures there is the scientist/rogue schoolar type person that ju
[22:01] <Scottc> and eight four magic spells
[22:01] <Scottc> eight four
[22:01] <Scottc> eight four.
[22:01] <Scottc> eight four
[22:02] <Scottc> eight four
[22:02] <Ghaleon> ban four
[22:02] <kozmonaut> haha
[22:02] <Scottc> kozmonaut: you have eight four magic spells in your game?
[22:02] <Scottc> eight four? Thats amazing.
[22:02] <Scottc> but...
[22:02] <Scottc> how many?
[22:02] <Scottc> eight or four?
[22:02] <kozmonaut> eighty-four
[22:03] <Scottc> or were you typing it like a number would be typed? 8 4?
[22:03] <Scottc> perhaps you should have removed the space if that were the case?
[22:03] <Ghaleon> I hit l shift over the quote and then dollar
[22:03] <kozmonaut> what you talking about
[22:03] <Scottc> http://koarpg.com/
[22:04] <Scottc> AND EIGHT FOUR MAGIC SPELLS
[22:04] <kozmonaut> no it doesnt
[22:04] <Ghaleon> don't worry, Scottc knows all about the expensive snow
[22:04] <Scottc> what
[22:04] <kozmonaut> lol
[22:04] <kozmonaut> it says "eighty-four" to me
[22:05] <Scottc> yeah you updated it
[22:05] <kozmonaut> :)>:
[22:05] <Scottc> seventy five starting skills and eighty-four
[22:05] <Scottc> seventy five and eight-four
[22:05] <Scottc> eighty :)
[22:05] <Scottc> :D
[22:06] <Scottc> why is there a hyphen after eighty
[22:06] <Scottc> but not after seventy
[22:06] <Scottc> or rather
[22:06] <kozmonaut> how is supposed to be
[22:06] <kozmonaut> hyphon or no
[22:06] <Scottc> why is there a space inbetween seventy and five, but not inbetween eighty an
[22:06] <Scottc> i'm here to mock your inconsistancy, not correct it.
[22:06] <kozmonaut> oh, ok thanks
[22:07] <kozmonaut> and fixed
[22:07] <Scottc> LOL
[22:07] <Scottc> thats a ghetto fix
[22:07] <Scottc> "I dont know whether theres a space or hyphen, so i'll just change it to sev
[22:07] <kozmonaut> haha
[22:08] <kozmonaut> being a playa aint easy
[22:08] <Scottc> Wide range of Sounds and Effects?
[22:08] <Ghaleon> Scottc, didn't your mom tell you it's bed time yet
[22:08] <kozmonaut> werd up, its all encompassing
[22:08] <Scottc> if Sounds and Effects are capitalized
[22:08] <Scottc> shouldn't Day and Night be capitalized?
[22:08] <Scottc> Multi-class and class specialization system
[22:08] <Scottc> class specialization/multi-class: hyphen or space?
[22:09] <Scottc> ok fine that last one was no good I lose :(
[22:09] <Scottc> Justice is Towns that respond to Players Actions < I dont know what you d
[22:09] <kozmonaut> fixed
[22:09] <kozmonaut> haa
[22:10] <kozmonaut> and fixed
[22:10] <wkr4k3r> hey
[22:10] <PitDroid> salut, wkr4k3r
[22:10] <wkr4k3r> sup pitdroid
[22:10] <tif> hey
[22:10] <tif> :|
[22:10] <Scottc> wouldn't talk to pit
[22:10] <Scottc> he has rabies.
[22:11] <Ghaleon> :O
[22:11] <Ghaleon> be carefull
[22:11] <Ghaleon> I don't think he has recent shots
[22:11] <kozmonaut> this droid might be useful, put him on the masters sail barge
[22:12] <Scottc> between cities, villages and kingdoms
[22:12] <Scottc> VILLAGES AND KINGDOMS
[22:12] <Scottc> cities, villages and kingdoms
[22:12] <Scottc> whats this
[22:12] <Scottc> i dont know whats happening
[22:12] <Ghaleon> yer mom
[22:12] <Scottc> someones comma got sucked into the void?
[22:12] <Scottc> they ask you to correct cities, villages and kingdoms on the GED test
[22:13] <Scottc> kozmo failed that part.
[22:13] <wkr4k3r> wow
[22:13] <wkr4k3r> haha
[22:13] <wkr4k3r> thats gay
[22:13] <kozmonaut> what you talking about
[22:13] <kozmonaut> where
[22:13] <Scottc> Player driven politics between cities, villages and kingdoms
[22:13] <Scottc> where the comma go?
[22:13] <Scottc> lol
[22:13] <Scottc> is english your first language?
[22:13] <wkr4k3r> me?
[22:13] <Scottc> did you say where?
[22:13] <Scottc> I think not.
[22:13] <wkr4k3r> what about the lords
[22:14] <wkr4k3r> i want to buy a seat in the house of lords
[22:15] <Scottc> what.
[22:15] <Scottc> somebody speak.
[22:15] <kozmonaut> fixed
[22:16] <Scottc> lol
[22:16] <Scottc> you removed the feature eh
[22:16] <Scottc> Specialists Cook, ArmorSmith, Crafter and Creature Tamer < this one too.
[22:16] <Scottc> and this: Player Ranking system; Alignment, Honor and Guild Ranks
[22:16] <kozmonaut> whats wrong with that
[22:16] <kozmonaut> there is commos
[22:17] <Scottc> no
[22:17] <Scottc> you're missing a common in each one
[22:17] <Scottc> comma*
[22:18] <kozmonaut> i dont get whats wrong, arent the commas in the right place?
[22:18] <Scottc> no you're missing a comma in each one
[22:18] <Scottc> World Transportation for players; Horses, Sea vessels and Airships < this
[22:19] <wkr4k3r> airships?
[22:19] <wkr4k3r> lol
[22:19] <Scottc> cmon srsly
[22:19] <wkr4k3r> i have that too
[22:19] <kozmonaut> fixed
[22:19] <Scottc> how can you not know there a comma has to go after crafter, honor, and sea v
[22:19] <Scottc> there = that
[22:19] <kozmonaut> i thought
[22:20] <kozmonaut> there is not supposed to be a comma between a word and "and"
[22:20] <Scottc> is english your first language?
[22:20] <kozmonaut> so you wouldnt put "bill, and jim went to the store"
[22:20] <wkr4k3r> ever sold crack before?
[22:20] <wkr4k3r> i think you front
[22:20] <kozmonaut> you would say bill and jim went to the store
[22:20] <Scottc> yeah but you're only listing two names
[22:21] <kozmonaut> Bill, Jim and Todd went to the store
[22:21] <wkr4k3r> anyone here use tokamak and qhull?
[22:21] <wkr4k3r> or qhull?
[22:21] <kozmonaut> i dont think its right to put a comma after Jim
[22:22] <Scottc> Kozmonaut: That would be like saying "hay Bill, Jim and Todd went to the sto
[22:22] <Scottc> rather than the three of them going to the store.
[22:23] <kozmonaut> ok, i fixed it
[22:23] <kozmonaut> i think if scottc went through my game looking for spelling mistakes, he
[22:24] <Scottc> i'm not a grammar/spelling nazi
[22:24] <kozmonaut> hehe, no :)
[22:24] <kozmonaut> but i appricate the suggestions to fix those errors!
[22:24] <Scottc> now answer my question: Is english your first language? :P
[22:24] <kozmonaut> its my 3rd :(
[22:24] <Scottc> k fine
[22:25] <Scottc> only if you answered yes are you made of fail
[22:25] <Scottc> whats your first
[22:25] <kozmonaut> russian and ebonics (street slang)
[22:25] <Scottc> o
[22:25] <Scottc> sorry I have nothing better to do tonight
[22:25] <Scottc> i'm really tired
[22:25] <Scottc> too tired to do anything else than bitch about a guy who speaks better engli
[22:25] <kozmonaut> no probs man, it made my page look more professional at least!
[22:27] <Scottc> so I was watching tv today
[22:27] <Scottc> and I saw a Rambo movie commercial
[22:27] <Scottc> the website at the end was listed as www.break.com/rambo
[22:27] <Scottc> Was the budget too low to register a domain or somethin?
[22:28] <kozmonaut> heheh
[22:29] <kozmonaut> just be happy, it wasnt a tripod or geocities domain :)
[22:29] <Scottc> heheh
[22:31] <bgilb> so i broiled some beef and i failed
[22:33] <kozmonaut> sigh
[22:33] <Ghaleon> EPIC FAILURE appeared on the beef?
[22:33] <bgilb> yeah
[22:33] <bgilb> i was going for medium to medium well
[22:33] <bgilb> and it ended up xtra well because i lost track of time
[22:34] <Ghaleon> and you ended up with w/ burnt crumbs?
[22:34] <bgilb> it was still pretty good just dry
[22:36] <kozmonaut> ok riddle me this
[22:36] <kozmonaut> do you guys like waypoints in games?
[22:37] <kozmonaut> like some sort of particle animation to denote something you need to spea
[22:38] <chai> eh ?
[22:38] <chai> no comprande
[22:38] <wkr4k3r> kozmonnaut i think they are necessary in most games
[22:38] <wkr4k3r> without pre-processing
[22:39] <kozmonaut> like in alot of rpgs, if you have to speak with someone, they will be sur
[22:43] <chai> maybe for the first levels
[22:43] <chai> like level 1
[22:43] <chai> :P
[22:44] <kozmonaut> yeah, the one thing i found about waypoints
[22:44] <flashed> a neon sign would do the trick aswell
[22:44] <flashed> but all those effects are cheasy imo
[22:44] <kozmonaut> or particle effects is that if a player says "all main quest npcs have it
[22:45] <flashed> make it interesting enough to talk to other chars
[22:46] <Scottc> if your game has ? marks to indicate a quest, your game sucks.
[22:47] <flashed> tru
[22:48] <kozmonaut> right now it doesnt have anything
[22:48] <kozmonaut> like lame question marks
[22:48] <kozmonaut> or whatever
[22:48] <kozmonaut> quest npcs stand out more, cause of the art
[22:49] <kozmonaut> but i'm installation a particle effect, lemme show you
[22:49] <flashed> sure.. but i think the answer is :S
[22:50] <kozmonaut> ops, dont have fotoship on this new computer yet
[22:50] <flashed> use paint
[22:52] <kozmonaut> oh man this looks slick
[22:55] <kozmonaut> like this
[22:55] <kozmonaut> http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=testhe7.jpg
[22:56] <kozmonaut> except their animated
[22:58] <chai> it looks good, but I'd say it's a dumb game decision
[22:58] <chai> you could have the effects show when you talk to the NPC for the quest
[22:58] <chai> like a 1-2 sec particle effect or something
[22:59] <kozmonaut> yeah thats actually easier to do
[22:59] <kozmonaut> like, so they dont always do it, but just as a quick effect to symbolize
[23:00] <flashed> my eyes!!
[23:02] <kozmonaut> ok, i have a full circluler animation playing for 1.5 seconds after you t
[23:04] <kozmonaut> i just cycle it like this bla = 0.1*Graphics.frame_count
[23:04] <kozmonaut> x = @dx*Math.cos(bla+1.5)
[23:04] <kozmonaut> y = @dy*Math.sin(bla+1.5)
[23:04] <kozmonaut> $scene.effect(39,'yellow','event',x,y)
[23:04] <kozmonaut> $scene.effect(39,'yellow','event',x,y)
[23:04] <kozmonaut> $scene.effect(39,'smash','event',x,y)
[23:05] <kozmonaut> yeha ruby suckers
[23:06] <kozmonaut> thanks for the info tho on waypoints etc
[23:06] <[]> *yawn*
[23:06] <[]> just had the weirdest dreams
[23:06] <kozmonaut> was i in yet?
[23:06] <kozmonaut> kozmonaut reprises his role in "the amazing adventures of kozmonaut, in t
[23:06] <[]> newp, prolly just as well, i was going ninja on a bunch of people
[23:06] <[]> reluctantly but effectively
[23:07] <[]> 3 guys were like, tryin to rob me so i broke everyones arms and mocked them as i
[23:07] <[]> they never did get there but i didnt really need their help anywyas
[23:08] <kozmonaut> did you remember what you said to mock them
[23:08] <[]> i wish there was a game with really convincing hand to hand combat
[23:08] <[]> hmmm
[23:11] <[]> well i think one of them started to threaten me, like 'well theres 3 of us so yo
[23:11] <[]> i think it was more the casual manner than what i said
[23:11] <[]> they kept trying toget more and more underhanded and i just kept fucking them up
[23:12] <[]> man i miss kicking ass on a daily basis
[23:12] <[]> fun stuff
[23:13] <[]> you know how the hand to hand combat is in the bourne movies?
[23:14] <[]> i wish there was a game with that kind of convincingly realistic stuff
[23:16] <Scottc> how would you control it?
[23:17] <[]> well the way that sorta stuff works, that i studied anyways, is concievably the
[23:18] <[]> the nature of circular blocking is to connect to the incoming attacking appendag
[23:18] <[]> circular defense aka soft blocking
[23:18] <[]> the idea is you dont exert maximum pressure against the thing until you're more
[23:20] <[]> theres another form, hard blocking, where your blocks basically are strikes as w
[23:21] <[]> trick is to keep sweeping, radially, from 'inside' to 'outside', so you push str
[23:21] <[]> 'wax off', so to speak, lol
[23:22] <[]> only time you 'wax on' is when you want to bind a arm/leg against your body so y
[23:22] <flashed> wtf are you talking about?
[23:23] <[]> hand to hand combat
[23:23] <[]> specifically what i studied
[23:23] <[]> how to be attacked by big people and withstand it, even as a smaller / underpowe
[23:23] <[]> i learned it as a child. its served me well.
[23:24] <[]> it was called kogaryu ninjitsu when i studied it, but it was really more of a mi
[23:26] <Scottc> bourne identity
[23:26] <Scottc> Jason Bourne
[23:26] <Scottc> In middleschool there was a mega fat kid named Jason Bourne
[23:26] <Scottc> I think I should make a YTMND with his yearbook picture and music from the b
[23:26] <[]> lol did he see that movie and think he was tough?
[23:26] <Scottc> he was so goddamn fat
[23:26] <Scottc> like epicly fat
[23:27] <Scottc> he had this clueless look on his face too
[23:27] <[]> lol
[23:27] <Scottc> I bet I could make a meme out of his ass.
[23:27] <[]> my last names kimball, so when the fugitive came out people jumped all over that
[23:27] <Scottc> mmm
[23:27] <Scottc> the wikipedia irc is discussing beauty product stores.
[23:28] <[]> i actually worked at a movie theater when it came out, i'd be standing in the ba
[23:28] <Scottc> strange thing for a bunch of men to be discussing
[23:28] <Scottc> heheh
[23:28] <Scottc> nice
[23:28] <flashed> they re girls with dicks..
[23:28] <Scottc> dickgirls?
[23:30] <Scottc> mmm
[23:30] <Scottc> Sometimes I idle in channels and whenever people talk I just berate them.
[23:30] <Scottc> Its fun.
[23:31] <[]> you sound insecure
[23:31] <[]> hey you're right that is fun!
[23:31] <Scottc> [01:29] <Daaamon> This sucks
[23:31] <Scottc> [01:29] <Daaamon> Xentare is giving me an error
[23:31] <Scottc> [01:29] <Daaamon> And i dunno why
[23:31] <Scottc> [01:30] <Scottc> SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU STUPID SACK OF SHIT
[23:31] <Scottc> fun I say.
[23:32] <[]> know what can fuck off?
[23:32] <[]> snow.
[23:32] <Scottc> what
[23:32] <flashed> and rain
[23:33] <[]> know what else
[23:33] <[]> its my birthday
[23:33] <[]> so... yay
[23:34] <flashed> now?
[23:34] <[]> aye
[23:34] <Scottc> []: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF032-Todays_My_Birthday.gif
[23:34] <[]> lol yep
[23:34] <flashed> happy bday then
[23:35] <[]> thankyou then
[23:36] <flashed> what you're begging for as bday gift?
[23:40] <[]> normally i'd say blowjobs but i just had a really nice 3 day sexathon
[23:40] <[]> so nothing, i'm good
[23:44] <[]> i guess someone to fight would be nice
[23:47] <wkr4k3r> anyone here used tokamak and qhull?
[23:55] <kozmonaut> i was an inadian once for halloween and had a tamahawk. if thats anything
[23:55] <Scottc> canadian?
[23:56] <flashed> indian
[23:56] <kozmonaut> shudup
[23:56] <wkr4k3r> convex collisions in tokamak
[23:56] <wkr4k3r> you make the simplified meshes in qhull
[23:57] <wkr4k3r> and load them in tokamak
[23:57] <kozmonaut> no clue, might i know how to make people collide with my tomahawk
[23:57] <Scottc> it was the inadian that got me
[23:57] <Scottc> I thought you were typing kinadian but forgot the k
[23:57] <Scottc> and i figured it was russian english
[23:57] <Scottc> an yeah
[23:57] <Scottc> canadian
[23:57] <Scottc> dressing up as a canadian for halloween haw haw haw
[23:58] <kozmonaut> silence wretch
Session Close: Wed Jan 02 00:00:00 2008