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Session Start: Wed Dec 26 15:58:38 2007
Session Ident: #gamedev
[15:58] * Now talking in #gamedev
[15:58] * Topic is 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: MERRY BOXNG EVERYONE !!
[15:58] * Set by Ghaleon!~Phreak@c-24-16-14-224.hsd1.wa.comcast.net on Wed Dec 26 10:11:40
[15:58] -neobleed_- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[16:00] <Ghaleon> kozmonaut: datz yo daddy posin as Ghaleon in da #bearcave
[16:01] <kozmonaut> and you would know that how? you chillen in bearcave hitting on old men?
[16:01] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed Dec 26 16:01:42 2007

Session Start: Wed Dec 26 16:02:58 2007
Session Ident: #gamedev
[16:02] * Now talking in #gamedev
[16:02] * Topic is 'Ziggyware Holiday Contest: http://tinyurl.com/259yfp :: MERRY BOXNG EVERYONE !!
[16:02] * Set by Ghaleon!~Phreak@c-24-16-14-224.hsd1.wa.comcast.net on Wed Dec 26 10:11:40
[16:02] -neobleed_- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[16:05] * aav_hlm gives Ghaleon a bear hug
[16:05] <Ghaleon> :O
[16:05] * aav_hlm is only wearing undies
[16:05] * Ghaleon gives aav a beer mug
[16:05] <aav_hlm> heh
[16:06] <Ghaleon> yeah, and I'm naked under my clothes
[16:06] <aav_hlm> omg
[16:06] * aav_hlm gets Ghaleon hung in the south
[16:07] * Ghaleon is from tha souf
[16:07] <kozmonaut> man this new leather computer chair is dope
[16:07] * Ghaleon is saved by robin hoodz
[16:08] <Ghaleon> kozmonaut: enjoy it while u cans, ninja kittah are on their way to scratch
[16:08] <kozmonaut> i have a declaw bot at my front door
[16:08] * aav_hlm gits Ghaleon 'r done hooked on crak
[16:08] <Ghaleon> front door, lawlz
[16:08] <Ghaleon> ninja kittahs always come through the roof
[16:09] <kozmonaut> i live in apartment, there is no way they can get in
[16:09] <kozmonaut> unless they fucking teleport
[16:09] <Ghaleon> yesch
[16:09] <Ghaleon> they know ninja teleportz
[16:09] <Ghaleon> it's better than paying for a cab
[16:09] <kozmonaut> i wish you knew the ninja vanish :(
[16:09] <aav_hlm> ninja kitterns merge with the shadows
[16:09] <Ghaleon> I know ninja banish
[16:09] * kozmonaut ninjas OPZ from ghal
[16:10] * Ghaleon anti-ninjaz kozmonaut in da bawlz
[16:10] <kozmonaut> if jerkface gets ops before i do, its gonna be a sad day
[16:10] <Ghaleon> lawlz
[16:10] <Ghaleon> I think u've had ops more than him
[16:10] <kozmonaut> voice maybe, but not ops!
[16:11] <Ghaleon> you had ops for at least five seconds
[16:11] <kozmonaut> hrm, must have been afk, and unable to enjoy it!
[16:11] <Sonistar> hehe
[16:11] <Ghaleon> s/afk/drunk
[16:12] <kozmonaut> prob baked as well
[16:12] <kozmonaut> s/afk/drunk/baked/whimsical
[16:12] <Ghaleon> and stir fried
[16:14] <kozmonaut> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071226/ap_on_re_us/tiger_escapes
[16:14] <kozmonaut> ninja tiger
[16:14] <kozmonaut> mauled people usiing its "tigerclaw"
[16:15] <ht7z> should do that more often
[16:16] <Ghaleon> got keeled for it
[16:16] <ht7z> big deal, you think it enjoyed living in teh cages?
[16:16] <ht7z> atleast it tasted some fresh meat before dieing >:)
[16:17] <kozmonaut> word
[16:17] <kozmonaut> it lived as a true tiger for a fleeting moment
[16:17] <Ghaleon> he was very toight, like a tyger
[16:17] <kozmonaut> if i was a tiger id do the same "get busy living, or get busy dying"
[16:18] <kozmonaut> be like f you tourtist scum "TIGER CLAW!
[16:18] <ht7z> :D
[16:20] <kozmonaut> TIGER
[16:20] <kozmonaut> TIGER
[16:20] <kozmonaut> TIGER UPPERCUT
[16:20] <kozmonaut> RAWR
[16:41] <Ghaleon> TIGER GENOCIDE
[16:51] <Dr_Rambo> this is some super tiger
[16:51] <Dr_Rambo> jumping over 18-foot wall
[16:52] <ht7z> no super, just bored of eating slaughtered meat
[16:52] <ht7z> wanted to do it itself
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> I dont' understand, why do they have to shot and kill the tiger?
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> isn't Siberian Tiger an endangered specie?
[16:53] <ht7z> yeah, it's kinda silly
[16:53] <Ghaleon> eye for an eye!
[16:53] <ht7z> it's only a cat
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Tiger
[16:53] <ht7z> shooting cats is illegal
[16:53] <Ghaleon> :X
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> Critically endangered
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[16:53] <Ghaleon> jebus
[16:53] <Dr_Rambo> that is just stupid
[16:54] <Dr_Rambo> Human are not endangered. I would say, they shouldn't have kill it
[16:54] <ht7z> why didn't they just lock the place up, let it eat as much as it likes
[16:54] <Dr_Rambo> HAH
[16:54] <Dr_Rambo> A
[16:54] <ht7z> there's too much humans anyway
[16:54] <Dr_Rambo> all you can eat buffet
[16:54] <Dr_Rambo> hmm hmm!
[16:54] <ht7z> and ppl who go to zoos should be shot anyways
[16:54] <ht7z> win win
[16:55] <Ghaleon> release it into da wyldez
[16:55] <ht7z> Ghaleon, you really can't do that :(
[16:56] <Ghaleon> :\
[16:56] <Ghaleon> release it into da citiez
[16:56] <kozmonaut> yes
[16:56] <ht7z> that would work
[16:56] <ht7z> like xmas church
[16:56] <kozmonaut> at least the homeless problem would be cured
[16:56] <ht7z> :-p
[16:57] <kozmonaut> man the atari version of ET was the worst game ever
[16:58] <ht7z> what you expected, it's ET
[16:58] <ht7z> huhu
[16:58] <kozmonaut> cant belive i bought a 8600 GT for like 119 bux
[16:59] <ht7z> can't believe it either
[16:59] <kozmonaut> and with a 100 gift card was like 26.00
[16:59] <ht7z> nice
[16:59] <kozmonaut> all i have to do, is wait for my new computer to come in
[16:59] <kozmonaut> think its tomorow or like friday
[16:59] <Ghaleon> I can't believe you bought an 8600 GT to play Atari ET
[16:59] <ht7z> :D
[16:59] <Ghaleon> ;D
[16:59] <kozmonaut> newp
[17:00] <Dr_Rambo> I just installed 4GB into my mobile phone
[17:00] <Dr_Rambo> now this phone is like a PLAYSTATION PORTABLE HO HO HO
[17:00] <Ghaleon> newp
[17:01] <Ghaleon> PSP can use 8GB stix
[17:01] <Ghaleon> PWNGD
[17:01] <Ghaleon> and also, psp probably has better gfx
[17:01] <Ghaleon> and gameplay
[17:01] <Ghaleon> and is not a fones
[17:01] <Ghaleon> lawlz
[17:02] <Ghaleon> what fones u got Dr_Rambo
[17:02] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[17:02] <Dr_Rambo> Sony S500i
[17:03] <Dr_Rambo> it's very nice phone. El Cheapo but excellent
[17:03] <Dr_Rambo> screen is very very good.. its one of the new generation high res screen
[17:03] <Dr_Rambo> and playing 3D games.. it ain't so bad
[17:03] <Goul-AFK> sony k770i sucks big time
[17:04] <Goul-AFK> never ever get it
[17:04] <Dr_Rambo> sort of Playstation 1 quality.. or early PC 3D game quality (battle Toshid
[17:04] <Dr_Rambo> oh?
[17:04] <Dr_Rambo> why
[17:04] <Goul-AFK> everything bout it suck
[17:04] <Goul-AFK> it takes ages to take pics
[17:04] <Dr_Rambo> I was thinking about getting it
[17:05] <Dr_Rambo> but then I saw this great deal about S500i so I bought it
[17:05] <Sonistar> hey Dr_Rambo
[17:05] <Goul-AFK> thinking of getting k770i
[17:05] <Goul-AFK> ??/
[17:05] <Dr_Rambo> Howdy Sonistar
[17:05] <Dr_Rambo> I was thinking about it
[17:05] <Goul-AFK> worst phone ever
[17:05] <Dr_Rambo> well, get S500i
[17:06] <Dr_Rambo> you won't regret it
[17:06] <Goul-AFK> best is to get W810i
[17:06] <Dr_Rambo> it should sell for less than $150 USD
[17:06] <Goul-AFK> it's cheap n one of the best
[17:06] <Sonistar> get the iphone!
[17:06] <Sonistar> apple say its good so it MUST BE
[17:06] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[17:06] <Goul-AFK> 'i' stands for idiots
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> I don't like iphone.. it's too wide
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> doesn't fit in my tight pocket
[17:07] <Goul-AFK> tight pocket?
[17:07] <Goul-AFK> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> no, not butt crack
[17:07] <kozmonaut> now you got ghoul lusting after you rambo :)p
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> I know what u going to say next
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[17:07] <Sonistar> Dr_Rambo: i keep telling you not to wear those leather jeans dude!
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[17:07] <Goul-AFK> :D
[17:07] <Dr_Rambo> I am very impressed by Iphone's several features
[17:08] <Dr_Rambo> for example, the unscratchable surface
[17:08] <kozmonaut> yeah
[17:08] <Sonistar> sure they look awesome, but they just aint practical
[17:08] <kozmonaut> i agree
[17:08] <Dr_Rambo> I can't believe no other mobile phone maker didn't thought of that
[17:08] <kozmonaut> i'd much rather have a blackberry
[17:08] <Goul-AFK> too $$$$$$$$
[17:08] <Goul-AFK> i would buy blackberry n psp
[17:08] <Dr_Rambo> I mean, unscratchable glass surface
[17:08] <Dr_Rambo> it must be diamond coated or soemthign
[17:08] <Sonistar> i want to test out the multi touch, thats the only reason i want one
[17:08] <Ghaleon> it's scratchably unscratchable surface?
[17:09] <Dr_Rambo> Unscratchable Ghal
[17:09] <Dr_Rambo> goto Youtube
[17:09] * Sonistar wants to rotate porn with his fingers
[17:09] <Dr_Rambo> there are couple of video demonstrating it
[17:09] <Sonistar> i got a skype phone, and i am happy
[17:09] <Dr_Rambo> besides that, multi-touch is pretty nice too.
[17:10] <Ghaleon> multi-accidental-dial
[17:10] <Ghaleon> ;D
[17:10] <Sonistar> hehe
[17:10] <Sonistar> only experience i had of touch - on a phone is that samsung with the touch
[17:10] <Sonistar> god thats fucking annoying
[17:11] <kozmonaut> yeah, i wouldnt want touchscreenn
[17:11] <kozmonaut> i like the feel of analog stuff too much
[17:11] <kozmonaut> is why i have a moog insted of a synth
[17:12] <Sonistar> http://www.keaton-world.com/music/Funtastic_Power_-_Snoop_Dogg_vs_Dr_Robot
[17:12] <Ghaleon> huhu
[17:16] <Ghaleon> would you like to open presents, viiioooooolaaaaaaaaatooooooor
[17:24] <Dr_Rambo> hmm well
[17:24] <Dr_Rambo> I am curious
[17:25] <Dr_Rambo> are there Iphone games?
[17:25] <Dr_Rambo> I never seen anyone playing games on Iphone
[17:26] <Sembiance> hrm
[17:26] <ht7z> there's no games for iphone
[17:27] <kozmonaut> open OS sux
[17:27] <kozmonaut> er appel
[17:27] <kozmonaut> i like devices that allow for 3rd party apps
[17:27] <kozmonaut> so at least i can pick what internet browser i want
[17:29] <kozmonaut> and burning all my game dev files to put on my new computer!
[17:29] <kozmonaut> shit my 3d maya file folder with models i made is like 3 gigs by itself
[17:35] <Dr_Rambo> why not
[17:35] <Dr_Rambo> I mean, why isn't there games for iphone?
[17:35] <kozmonaut> because apples system is propriatary
[17:35] <Ghaleon> I think Apple just announced that in the future they will release an SDK
[17:35] <kozmonaut> so 3rd party apps/games cant fun
[17:35] <kozmonaut> er run
[17:35] <Dr_Rambo> ah
[17:35] <Dr_Rambo> taht sucks
[17:36] <kozmonaut> yeah, thats main reason i wont buy it
[17:36] <Dr_Rambo> I thought it would be great for game.. since it's multi touch
[17:36] <kozmonaut> i mean even if i could make flash apps, id do it
[17:36] <Ghaleon> can it run flash?
[17:36] <kozmonaut> dont think so
[17:36] <Dr_Rambo> you can theoritically make virtual joypad with it
[17:36] <kozmonaut> maybe flash plugin for web content
[17:36] <kozmonaut> maybe.
[17:36] <Ghaleon> Peggle was just released for iPod
[17:36] <kozmonaut> not even 100%
[17:36] <kozmonaut> i should bring my rpg to the ipod
[17:37] <Ghaleon> how?
[17:37] <Ghaleon> no dpad right? just wheel?
[17:37] <kozmonaut> could prob just make it pure touchscreen
[17:37] <Ghaleon> oh, so touchpod
[17:37] <kozmonaut> sort of like a single screen DS game
[17:38] <kozmonaut> just make more clickable icons for attack/casting/click on npcs to talk t
[17:38] <Ghaleon> clix on buttans to release pr0n
[17:38] <kozmonaut> ghal has some sort of fixation on pr0n
[17:38] <kozmonaut> i think its the #bearchat in him
[17:39] <Ghaleon> itz cuz it's xxxmas
[17:39] <kozmonaut> but yeh hrm
[17:39] <kozmonaut> developing for iphone seems more lucrative then deving for normal cell ph
[17:39] <Ghaleon> in japans they have all kinds of touch pr0n games
[17:39] <Ghaleon> lucrative... ?
[17:40] <kozmonaut> like you have more memory graphics power then the lame APIS on most phone
[17:40] <kozmonaut> and iphone is gonna be huge in the next few years
[17:40] <Ghaleon> s/huge/fail
[17:40] <kozmonaut> i doubt it
[17:40] <kozmonaut> at the very least lots of affordable clones will come out for it
[17:40] <Ghaleon> go read about japans
[17:40] <Ghaleon> iPhone is like a baby toy there
[17:41] <Ghaleon> yeah
[17:41] <kozmonaut> maintaining the higher end tech, which allows for more color palletes, mo
[17:41] <Ghaleon> and they wont be compatable
[17:41] <kozmonaut> man..
[17:41] <kozmonaut> you just cant fucking win with handhelds/phones.
[17:41] <Ghaleon> unless it's DS?
[17:42] <Ghaleon> I want to see da numbahs for december
[17:42] <Ghaleon> gonna be ginormous
[17:42] <kozmonaut> same
[17:42] <kozmonaut> psp too
[17:42] <kozmonaut> i'd much rather dev on psp tho, over DS
[17:42] <Ghaleon> yeah
[17:42] <Ghaleon> I wants to :X
[17:42] <Ghaleon> but there's like a hojillion DS
[17:42] <Ghaleon> so we don't ;/
[17:42] <kozmonaut> i messed around bugtesting on the PSP hardware dev kit, and was so much b
[17:42] <kozmonaut> can display so many more colors and graphcis then stupid low end ds
[17:43] <Ghaleon> and it can do addative blending
[17:43] <Ghaleon> which would be so usefull, but is unavailable on DS ;/
[17:44] <kozmonaut> yeah, when my rpg is more complete, and releaseable on PC, i really wanna
[17:44] <kozmonaut> and try to set up, so you can play on your PC in the same game world that
[17:44] <kozmonaut> the thing with DS
[17:44] <kozmonaut> is i know how to code the XMLS and how the art works
[17:44] <Ghaleon> huhu
[17:45] <kozmonaut> but to make edits on the libraries themselves in c++ or whatever engine y
[17:45] <Ghaleon> our stuff iz bizeazy
[17:45] <kozmonaut> i really just gotta loearn c++ but then, i wouldnt be able to focas on th
[17:45] <kozmonaut> cause getting trapped in coding land is like a fulltime job in itself
[17:45] <Ghaleon> huhu
[17:46] <Ghaleon> da fever
[17:46] <Ghaleon> kode fever
[17:47] <Ghaleon> you cheqd C# yet?
[17:48] <kozmonaut> if i wanted to dev on ds, is there emu software kits for it, or do i need
[17:50] <Ghaleon> well, the only way to truly debug is the blue kit
[17:51] <Dr_Rambo> I think handheld has a future
[17:51] <Ghaleon> otherwise you dev blind and have to guess what went wrong
[17:51] <Dr_Rambo> Nvidia is now making handheld chips
[17:51] <Dr_Rambo> newest one is designed for mobile phone, with power of GeForce 4600 atleas
[17:51] <kozmonaut> yeah
[17:51] <Dr_Rambo> that's got the power of top of line DirectX 8 card
[17:52] <kozmonaut> i used to debug tons
[17:52] <kozmonaut> its how i tweaked all my art and xmls with the hardware one
[17:52] <Dr_Rambo> it's now just matter of whether cellphone maker would want to integrate th
[17:53] <kozmonaut> yeah
[17:53] <kozmonaut> or you'll have another ngauge
[17:53] <Ghaleon> japans
[17:53] <Ghaleon> I'm telling u, they are on top of it
[17:53] <kozmonaut> ngauge was cool in theory
[17:53] <kozmonaut> like a game phone
[17:54] <kozmonaut> but it never caught on
[17:57] <slz> <slz> my dog just slammed into my jaw causing me to bite a chunk out of t
[17:57] <slz> i should've gotten a cat
[17:58] <[Relic]> cat's only pull the tounge out and scratch it :)
[17:58] <slz> whoever likes dogs over cats is a certified dumbass
[17:58] <tussin> i used to torture cats
[17:58] <ht7z> bunnies > *
[17:58] <Apofisu> tussin: gtfo
[17:59] <tussin> haha
[17:59] <tussin> didnt know this was cat-fag channel
[17:59] <kozmonaut> wtf haha
[17:59] <Apofisu> you shouldn't torture anything
[17:59] <kozmonaut> what about spies
[17:59] <Apofisu> nope
[18:00] <kozmonaut> suspected terroists?
[18:00] <tussin> i disagree. we can learn a lot from torture
[18:00] <Apofisu> torture has never been proven effective at obtaining reliable information
[18:00] <ht7z> torture as an art form is pretty interesting
[18:00] <ht7z> other than that useless
[18:00] <tussin> the chinese perfected it
[18:00] <Apofisu> evidence shows that threatening to torture is far more effective than actua
[18:01] <Apofisu> with actual torture, you can't trust the information. they'll say anything
[18:01] <kozmonaut> depends
[18:01] <Apofisu> of course the same could be said with threatening it
[18:02] <kozmonaut> the CIA did physological toruture with drugs and deprevation
[18:02] <Apofisu> other people are trained to just shut down under torture
[18:02] <kozmonaut> that way, peoples minds start to blur, and you can extract any informatio
[18:02] <Apofisu> in which case you get nothing
[18:03] <Apofisu> that type of thing was discredited long ago when it was discovered that suc
[18:03] <Apofisu> that's why they stopped using lsd as a truth serum
[18:03] <Apofisu> anything said by anyone in an altered state of mind should be considered un
[18:17] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[18:18] <Dr_Rambo> Why and how did your dog slammed into you?
[18:18] <Dr_Rambo> Is your dog blind?
[18:18] <ht7z> prolly trying to teach it rollerskate
[18:20] <yenal_> hi
[18:20] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[18:21] <yenal_> i have a very simple d3d app. when i call the reset method of the device, it
[18:21] <yenal_> does it make sense
[18:22] <yenal_> do you have to release and recreate the vertex buffer for each reset
[18:22] <kozmonaut> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/mithrastheprophet/forum/god-v-sata
[18:23] <Ghaleon> yenal_lol
[18:23] <Sembiance> :)
[18:23] <yenal_> hey Ghaleon
[18:23] <Ghaleon> yenal_: Yeah, that seems normal
[18:23] <yenal_> but the error message is weird. INVALID CALL
[18:23] <Ghaleon> hrm
[18:23] <Ghaleon> well, it'll tell you more if you turn on debug output
[18:24] <kozmonaut> <------------ King
[18:24] <yenal_> if i release the vertex buffer with SAFE_RELEASE macro everything is OK
[18:24] <yenal_> it returns S_OK
[18:24] <Ghaleon> kozmonaut <- queen
[18:24] <Ghaleon> yeah, sounds like a safety check
[18:24] <Sembiance> hrm
[18:24] <Ghaleon> that's why I have that big list of device objects in my newer code
[18:24] <Ghaleon> makes it easier to reset
[18:25] <yenal_> Ghaleon: i created my basic framework for the tetris (window creation, messa
[18:25] <Ghaleon> kewl
[18:25] <yenal_> how should i store each object?
[18:25] <Ghaleon> I played me some mass effect
[18:25] <Ghaleon> store each object?
[18:25] * Sembiance owns an XBox 360 and a PS3, but no actual games for either.
[18:25] <yenal_> yeah what can i have in a game, just meshes?
[18:25] <Ghaleon> Sembiance: go get mass effect newb
[18:26] <yenal_> i mean renderable objects
[18:26] <Ghaleon> meshes, dynamic render buffers...
[18:26] <Ghaleon> wut eva
[18:26] <Ghaleon> meshes are good for a start tho
[18:26] <yenal_> can i create a base class for them
[18:26] <Ghaleon> yeah
[18:26] <Ghaleon> like a RenderObject or whatever
[18:26] <yenal_> the thing is without knowing how things work its hard to do a good design
[18:27] <Sembiance> Ghaleon: what kind of game is it? RPG?
[18:27] <Ghaleon> space opera rpg
[18:27] <Ghaleon> tps
[18:27] <kozmonaut> did someone say RPG!
[18:27] <yenal_> mass effect is great
[18:27] <Sembiance> fine, I'll go add it to my amazon shopping cart heh
[18:27] <Ghaleon> huhu
[18:27] <Ghaleon> surprised there's no demo
[18:28] <yenal_> Ghaleon: how do the game objects communicate in your games?
[18:28] <Ghaleon> you could get the vids tho
[18:28] <kozmonaut> is mass effect bioware?
[18:28] <yenal_> kozmonaut: yes
[18:28] <kozmonaut> go with anything really bioware puts out
[18:28] <Ghaleon> yenal: depends... most of the communication is through collision usually
[18:28] <kozmonaut> its mostly all solid
[18:28] <Ghaleon> of which there is a big grid of objects
[18:28] <yenal_> let's say that you threw a bomb to a room
[18:29] <yenal_> how do other objects explode
[18:29] <Ghaleon> ME = bioware
[18:29] <kozmonaut> you = DS suckage
[18:29] <[Relic]> if the bomb was something like ishtar, it would be cause the sheer mental s
[18:30] <Ghaleon> Yenal: that's collision too... the grenade goes bewm and gets a collision s
[18:30] <kozmonaut> telekinetics!
[18:30] <Ghaleon> [Relic]: if it was the holy hand grenade, tho shalt have counted to three,
[18:31] <yenal_> Ghaleon: i think you dont like event systems, right
[18:31] <Ghaleon> korrect
[18:32] <yenal_> what is the specific reason
[18:32] <kozmonaut> heh my whole rpg is basicly events
[18:32] <kozmonaut> and branch conditiosn
[18:32] <[Relic]> http://imdb.com/title/tt0093278/ <- big bomb :)
[18:32] <Ghaleon> they were proven to be abused and non-working
[18:32] <yenal_> who proved that?
[18:32] <Ghaleon> like all of the people who work at my compan
[18:32] <Ghaleon> compan
[18:32] <yenal_> even .net framework uses them
[18:32] <Ghaleon> company
[18:33] <Ghaleon> dangit... laptop kb ftl
[18:33] <kozmonaut> i hope they make another mad max movie
[18:34] <Ghaleon> it's been a while since they did that kinda thing huh
[18:34] <Ghaleon> although I didn't see the last Resident Evil movie
[18:35] <kozmonaut> it wasnt good
[18:35] <yenal_> Ghaleon: will almost everything be a ID3DXMesh in the game?
[18:35] <yenal_> is there a base class that work for everything
[18:35] <kozmonaut> altho for zombies, i am lengend was surprisenly good
[18:35] <Ghaleon> yeah, just make it an interface
[18:35] <Ghaleon> that's all you really want anyways
[18:36] <Ghaleon> my games are a big mixture of mesh and dynamic render objects
[18:36] <Ghaleon> all my gui = dynamic
[18:36] <Ghaleon> all the game objects = mesh
[18:36] <yenal_> what is a dynamic render object?
[18:36] <Ghaleon> like sprites are done dynamically
[18:37] <yenal_> hmm
[18:37] <kozmonaut> ghal u should code on my game :(
[18:37] <Ghaleon> :X
[18:37] <kozmonaut> i like all the dynamic shit
[18:37] <Ghaleon> huhu
[18:37] <Ghaleon> itz da werd
[18:37] <kozmonaut> all my shit is event cause i cant code dynamic
[18:37] <Ghaleon> I hate immobile stuff
[18:38] <yenal_> lets say i have a character, what do you store with this guy. a position and
[18:38] <Ghaleon> maybe, the position could be the mesh's position
[18:38] <Ghaleon> depends on if you need it to be different
[18:38] <yenal_> does the mesh have a position member already?
[18:39] <Ghaleon> yeah
[18:39] <yenal_> or when you talk about the mesh you talk about a custom mesh class
[18:39] <Ghaleon> it needs to know where to render
[18:39] <Ghaleon> it's custom, but it inheirits from the RenderObject
[18:39] <yenal_> yeah but ID3DXMesh does not have that property
[18:39] <Ghaleon> sI know
[18:39] <yenal_> ok something like MyMesh: public ID3DXMesh?
[18:39] <Ghaleon> but to render the mesh you need a position
[18:40] <Ghaleon> nah
[18:40] <Ghaleon> hold the ID3DXMesh
[18:40] <Ghaleon> but inheirit from the renderable
[18:40] <yenal_> hmm
[18:40] <Ghaleon> you don't want to expose all the ID3DXMesh
[18:40] <yenal_> so d3d mesh object is a member
[18:40] <yenal_> ok
[18:41] <yenal_> makes sense
[18:41] <Ghaleon> yeah
[18:41] <Ghaleon> we have big "discussions" about stuff like that at work
[18:41] <yenal_> does it make sense to create a base class called Object and derive everythin
[18:41] <Ghaleon> nah
[18:41] <Ghaleon> that actually got annoying
[18:42] <Ghaleon> I don't do it, and it warns me about a couple things ;)
[18:42] <yenal_> do prolly you have a list of RenderObjects and you render them all at once?
[18:42] <Ghaleon> yeah
[18:42] <Ghaleon> and instead of a position, we store a matrix
[18:42] <yenal_> do = so :)
[18:42] <Ghaleon> matrix allows you to render asap
[18:42] <Ghaleon> position + rotation requires you to build a matrix
[18:43] <Ghaleon> but we have utils to use the matrix just like position + rotation
[18:43] <Ghaleon> so it works out
[18:43] <yenal_> can i use the d3d matrix or i need a better matrix class
[18:43] <Ghaleon> you might want some extra stuff, but you can build it onto one...
[18:43] <Ghaleon> like class Matrix: public D3DXMatrix
[18:43] <yenal_> one more question and this really bothers me
[18:44] <Ghaleon> no you can't have my level 1337 char in kozmonaut's rpg
[18:44] <yenal_> you have the update method before the render, the order of update for each o
[18:44] <Ghaleon> we removed order dependancy
[18:45] <yenal_> lets say that there is a car that hits a guy
[18:45] <yenal_> after it hits the guy guy dies. but car gets damage
[18:45] <yenal_> also there can be a circle of other events
[18:45] <yenal_> how can you handle this
[18:45] <Ghaleon> I don't see how any of that is order dependant ;)
[18:46] <Ghaleon> I mean, the car updates and says: "hey guy, take 200000 dmg plzkthx"
[18:46] <Squee-Wrk> Oh god, this bears telling. I reset our SVN repository after our web prox
[18:46] <Ghaleon> then the guy reacts by dying
[18:46] <yenal_> Car->Update runs
[18:46] <yenal_> how does this method know the players position
[18:47] <Ghaleon> it tells the collision system where to attaq
[18:47] <Ghaleon> then that goes through all affected objects and reports the collision
[18:47] <yenal_> so you have one some sort of central collision system and that takes care of
[18:47] <Squee-Wrk> yeah from a noob standpoinbt, sounds like you need a stack of events that
[18:48] <Squee-Wrk> like deffered UI's
[18:48] <yenal_> isnt there a good article for something like this. this should be asked befo
[18:48] <yenal_> i am sure there are several ways to handle this
[18:49] <Squee-Wrk> i think the easiest is to collect events first, then handle them in a bat
[18:49] <Ghaleon> there are several ways to handle everything :D
[18:49] <Squee-Wrk> dont change things until all effects are known.
[18:49] <yenal_> Ghaleon: do you have a simplified version of that collision system somewhere
[18:49] <Ghaleon> I do not
[18:50] <Ghaleon> it is quite complex
[18:50] <Ghaleon> :\
[18:50] <yenal_> damn.
[18:50] <Ghaleon> well, the DS version is complex
[18:50] <Ghaleon> as to help out with a lack of processing power
[18:50] <Ghaleon> ;)
[18:50] <yenal_> i know i can complete my tetris :) without this shit anyway hehe
[18:51] <Ghaleon> yeah
[18:51] <yenal_> but i just want to have a nice small framework so i can use it within my nex
[18:51] <Ghaleon> collision systems are hardcore
[18:51] <Ghaleon> ours came to be with help of the quake1 source
[18:51] <yenal_> you wrote it or someone else
[18:52] <Ghaleon> this other guy
[18:59] <kozmonaut> i knows a guy who knows a guy
[18:59] <Ghaleon> who does the craq
[18:59] <kozmonaut> no thats the junkies in the alley 2 blacks down
[18:59] <kozmonaut> er blocks
[19:00] <Ghaleon> :O!
[19:00] <kozmonaut> you forget i live in vancouver, going downtown you watch people do crack
[19:03] <yenal_> Ghaleon: what kind of environment does DS have for 3D?
[19:03] <yenal_> is everything done in software
[19:03] <Ghaleon> I dids
[19:03] <Ghaleon> nah
[19:03] <Ghaleon> it's hardware
[19:03] <yenal_> is there some sort of opengl?
[19:03] <Ghaleon> and the devkit comes with some ok libraries
[19:03] <Ghaleon> nah, it's kind of like ogl
[19:04] <Ghaleon> but the rules are way different
[19:04] <yenal_> good different?
[19:04] <Ghaleon> sometimes
[19:04] <Ghaleon> like being able to change matrices in the middle of submitting pionts
[19:28] <sort> what is currently the best nvidia brand video card?
[19:31] <Dr_Rambo> 8800 GTX Ultra
[19:32] <[Relic]> send me one and a board and cpu and ram to test it with :)
[19:35] <sort> nice and pricy
[19:37] <[Relic]> that's why you should send me one, I sure can't get it :)
[19:39] <sort> good news is my new monitors arent defective
[19:39] <sort> bad news, my video card is bad and new ones cost more than the monitors :o
[19:44] <kozmonaut> i just bought a 8600!
[19:44] <kozmonaut> so im only a few generations off!@
[19:45] <sort> if i dont buy a top of the line card, i will regret it every day
[19:45] <sort> "why didnt i spend that extra $$" *kick*
[19:45] <kozmonaut> only to have a new one come out in 3 or 4 months
[19:46] <[Relic]> top of the line card is only like $3000
[19:46] <sort> my one that is bad i paid 350 for
[19:46] <sort> i want top of the line-ish for gaming, not cad
[19:46] <[Relic]> I want to win the nvart challenge so I can say my vid card cost 10x my comp
[19:47] <kozmonaut> haha
[19:48] <Sembiance> hrm
[19:48] <[Relic]> http://events.cgsociety.org/NVArt/prizes.php
[19:48] <sort> i will get to say my video card costs 1.19093078758949880668 etc times more th
[19:50] <sort> hmm
[19:50] <sort> i should call evga and tell them my card is bad :D
[19:51] <[Relic]> get yourself a nice ISA CGA card, should be really quick these days :)
[19:51] <sort> i already have a pimped out dos machine
[19:51] <sort> has a floppy AND cdrom
[19:51] <[]> my cpm graphics are the bizomb
[19:52] <[]> 5 1/4?!? DOUBLE DENSITY?!
[19:52] <[]> lol dd
[19:52] <sort> no 3.5 only :/
[19:52] <[]> pwnd
[19:53] <kozmonaut> most of those look so haxy
[19:53] <kozmonaut> i should make a good one
[19:53] <sort> nvart or dos computers?
[19:56] <[]> dos is leet
[19:56] <[]> omnitasking ftw
[19:58] <sort> uhh, wtf is pciexpress 2
[20:00] <[]> prolly some sorta secret gay thing, like special sekrit handshake
[20:02] <Minion> anyone here have animation experience with biped characters in 3ds max
[20:02] <[]> yep
[20:02] <[]> sawp
[20:03] <Minion> why is it that a lot of my keyframes don't have curve tangents?
[20:05] <Minion> alright well thanks
[20:07] <[]> sorry cod4 deathmatch
[20:07] <[]> huh
[20:07] <[]> you using mocap data or something?
[20:07] <Minion> No
[20:08] <[]> huh
[20:08] <Minion> Pose to pose animation, the curves in my animation are completely fucked up
[20:08] <Minion> and infact, I have keyframes that dont even show up in the curve editor
[20:10] <sort> omg
[20:11] <sort> ram i bought for $300 about 2 years ago is now $20
[20:15] <kaotrix> http://www.amazon.com/The-Ultimate-PS2-JRPG-Collection/lm/R33T1OQHA0UGYK/re
[20:15] <kaotrix> I love that list.
[20:15] <kaotrix> Any games from this list you guys have played?
[20:16] <[]> minion i dunno man thats kinda weird
[20:17] <[]> ddo you have ik enabled maybe?
[20:18] <sort> i played star ocean, the camera angle and soundtrack were not very good
[20:21] <[]> arc the lad, dark cloud 2, wild arms 4
[20:21] <[]> all good
[20:22] <kaotrix> sort: Wow I thought I was the only person who hated the camera angle.
[20:22] <kaotrix> sort: You're cool.
[20:22] <sort> lets start a club
[20:22] <kaotrix> Yeah, the camera was steep as hell. Very difficult to see what's in front o
[20:23] <sort> i didnt want to look at the ground, i wanted to look out horizontally and see
[20:23] <sort> the heavy metal buttrock crap is what made me stop playing it
[20:23] <kaotrix> lmao
[20:24] <kaotrix> that's ridiculous
[20:24] <kaotrix> just turn the volume down
[20:24] <kaotrix> the gameplay is actually good
[20:24] <sort> i tried, but it was tedious to do
[20:25] <Minion> [], not that I'm aware of
[20:25] <sort> i think this one is the winner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Ite
[20:32] <kozmonaut> thats solid
[20:32] <sort> youre not helping me save money :(
[20:34] <kozmonaut> same
[20:34] <kozmonaut> i bought my system for about 1k and im happy
[20:34] <kozmonaut> not the best of anything, but quad core should make my daily tasks so fas
[20:34] <sort> i have a p4 3.6 with hyperthreading, remember those?
[20:40] <sort> i bought it :o
[20:40] <sort> anyone want a free 6800gt that has glitches at 1600x1200 but is otherwise fine
[20:43] <kozmonaut> sure!
[20:44] <kozmonaut> as this dude is knocking me and my rpg on another channel
[20:45] <kozmonaut> and he is an unemployed line cook
[20:45] <kozmonaut> i feel so dissed :(
[20:45] <[]> ah so of course his opinion is worthless huh lol
[20:45] <[]> lowly peon
[20:46] <kozmonaut> ignorent people are amazing sometimes
[20:46] <sort> if you really want it, ask me when i am bragging about my new card :>
[20:46] <sort> cause i need to use it till then
[20:46] <kozmonaut> hehe
[20:46] <kozmonaut> well i got a 8600 so it should be fine!
[20:47] <kozmonaut> and its sitting their taunting me, cause my new system hasnt arrived yet
[21:07] <kaotrix> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i069cf19291fa5cc
[21:49] <Dr_Rambo> gawd, Crysis is so demanding
[21:49] <Dr_Rambo> even with 8800, it runs at a measly 20 fps
[21:50] <Dr_Rambo> Nvidia really needs to push out the 9800 series
[21:52] <greinwich> what settings
[22:05] <kozmonaut> poor rambo
[22:09] <Dr_Rambo> hehe
[22:09] <sort> what system do you have
[22:09] <sort> crysis is coming with my 8800
[22:09] <Dr_Rambo> no, I got 7900GS
[22:09] <Dr_Rambo> but I am looking for a new graphics card
[22:09] <sort> ah
[22:09] <Dr_Rambo> and 8800 just ain't cutting it
[22:10] <Dr_Rambo> I mean, why shell out $500 for a card that can only play Crysis on measly
[22:10] <sort> i dont even know what crysis is really
[22:10] <Dr_Rambo> j00 must bee juuking
[22:11] <sort> lol i dont play games
[22:11] <Dr_Rambo> juu must be living under a ruck
[22:11] <sort> under a game rock, yes
[22:11] <sort> where are you seeing 20fps for an 8800?
[22:12] <Ghaleon> Crysis requires too much hardware for too little pay off
[22:12] <kozmonaut> ghal do you know much about directx shaders?
[22:12] <Ghaleon> I know somes
[22:13] <kozmonaut> i want to incorporate some directx opengl shaders in my rpg
[22:13] <Ghaleon> lawlz
[22:14] <sort> rolf
[22:14] <kozmonaut> shaders are normally just done with 3d, but its possible with 2d as well
[22:14] <kozmonaut> cant i just use directdraw?
[22:14] <Ghaleon> nothing about shaders is dimensionally specific
[22:15] <kozmonaut> then technically if i can make my shader into a dll, then call the dll in
[22:16] <Ghaleon> @_@
[22:16] <Ghaleon> I dun see what that has to do wif it
[22:16] <Ghaleon> but yez
[22:16] <kozmonaut> well i want to do compisitors, and physics via shaders
[22:16] <kaotrix> Crisis...
[22:16] <kozmonaut> i know i can support directdraw really easy
[22:17] <kaotrix> sort doesn't know what Crysis is
[22:17] <kaotrix> kickban pl0x
[22:17] <Ghaleon> Crysis is the most overrated game of 2007
[22:17] <kaotrix> NOT RLY
[22:17] <sort> lol
[22:17] <sort> i tried to go to their website a month ago, and it blocked me when i hit the w
[22:19] <Ghaleon> ok, yeah, yer right
[22:19] <Ghaleon> Crysis is the second most overrated game of 2007
[22:19] <Ghaleon> Lair was the first
[22:19] <Ghaleon> ;D
[22:23] <Ghaleon> http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=0&mt=0&cId=3163673&mId=3459341
[22:23] <Ghaleon> priceless
[22:34] <sort> ubuntu sucks
[22:37] <Ghaleon> for realz?
[22:37] <sort> ya rlz
[22:37] <Ghaleon> fo shizzle?
[22:38] <sort> ya shzl
[22:38] <sort> it cant load frickin web pages
[22:38] <Ghaleon> :O
[22:38] <sort> thats all i ask
[22:38] <Ghaleon> that's hard work mang
[22:42] <sort> so, yeah... still working on your link
[22:44] <Ghaleon> fo shizzle?
[22:44] <Ghaleon> that's lame
[22:45] <sort> k i have to reboot, paste the link when i return please :D
[22:47] <Ghaleon> a'ights
[22:48] <sort> or xchat saves it, thats nice
[22:49] <sort> but this pOS still does not work
[22:56] <Ghaleon> :X
[22:57] <Ghaleon> how about this? http://media.1up.com/media?id=3459341&type=lg
[23:03] <sort> nope, i dont get it
[23:08] <Ghaleon> time to hit tha hay
[23:15] <factor> hey
[23:27] <kozmonaut> lord kozmonautix of inc is here
[23:46] <kozmonaut> in a poor west african village a man names kozmonaut lives
[23:46] <kozmonaut> help his village build a new well, so little childern can goto school
[23:46] <kozmonaut> paypal now accepted!
[23:59] * BlkStaff is now known as Narris
Session Close: Thu Dec 27 00:00:00 2007