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Session Start: Tue Jan 23 00:00:00 2007
Session Ident: #gamedev
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[00:02] * Topic is '.:: Game Development ::. http://www.xnamagic.com'
[00:02] * Set by Dr_Rambo!Dr_Rambo@frost.d4.ru on Sun Jan 07 17:57:46
[00:02] -bleeding_- Welcome to #gamedev, jJones. No warez, no triggers, no servers, no banners, no
[04:16] * Hso|Twin is now known as Hso
[05:01] <Rangar> Microsoft Vista SP1 scheduled for release second half of this year.
[05:02] <killsalot> isn't it still in beta?
[05:03] <Rangar> no
[05:03] <Rangar> been ot of beta for ages
[05:33] <Ultyma> lol
[05:33] <Ultyma> its like.. retail
[05:46] <aav> it was RTM in november
[05:46] <aav> public launch jan 31
[05:47] <Rangar> and most of the media and analysts are saying stay away from it
[05:47] <Rangar> 2007.. the year for Solaris.. wOOT!
[05:47] * Rangar winks @ aav
[05:47] <killsalot> why are they saying that?
[05:48] <aav> hey Rangar
[05:48] <aav> because they are FUD-flingers
[05:48] <Rangar> kill: just go read some tech news, it's all over the place
[05:49] <aav> a lot of what is being said about the DRM is bullshit though.
[05:49] <killsalot> k
[05:49] <aav> don't trust the "news"
[05:49] <Rangar> #1 big reason is, there is no real reason to spend the huge ammount of money
[05:49] <Rangar> aav: thats a petty damn good reason :P
[05:49] <aav> Rangar, look, who would buy ANY product without reading up enough to know there
[05:49] <Rangar> vista doesnt do anything xp can't until DX10 is utilized commercially
[05:49] <aav> that's a lie
[05:49] <aav> Vista has new features
[05:50] <aav> whether you NEED them or not is a different issue
[05:50] <Rangar> oh good point.. it cripples your media playback, forgot bout THAT feature ;)
[05:50] <aav> no
[05:50] <aav> there's no protected content available anyhow
[05:50] <aav> and i dont want to play it yet
[05:50] <aav> i can watch HD material just fine
[05:51] <aav> the DRM features in Vista only affect you if you play DRM'ed material through a
[05:51] <aav> in all other cases, it's just as free as in XP
[05:51] <aav> so 1) the media and 2) the player must ask to be protected
[05:51] <aav> it's opt-in
[05:52] <aav> and the media that this affects, you won't be able to watch in any other OS wit
[05:53] <aav> so the choice boils down to: do i want to watch these horrible DRM-infested vid
[05:53] <aav> if yes, only Vista enables you to... if no, pick XP, Vista, Linux, you're fine
[05:54] <aav> just wait until this tech goes into Linux etc
[05:54] <aav> the only difference will be that you can leave it out when you compile your ker
[05:54] <Rangar> i cant see many linux folk doing that
[05:55] <Rangar> most of them scream if you dont release your source code for an automatic to
[05:55] <aav> just saying, IF linux wants to support this, they'll have to lock down like Vis
[05:55] <Rangar> and in the mean time, the music industry is looking at ditching drm
[05:55] <aav> heh
[05:56] <aav> i wonder how much money went into the PMP in Vista
[05:56] <aav> probably a LOT
[05:56] <aav> i'd love it if the music and video industry decides this kind of DRM isn't need
[05:56] <Rangar> you can bet it
[05:56] <aav> then PMP will be an appendix to be snipped off in the next OS
[05:57] <Rangar> "There have been rumors of Intel's re-entry into discrete graphics for month
[05:57] <Rangar> but also extending to other market segments in the future, with 'plans for
[05:57] <aav> huh interesting
[05:57] <aav> many-core
[05:57] <aav> sounds a bit odd
[05:58] <Rangar> maybe my next system will be an intel
[05:58] <aav> :)
[05:58] <Rangar> i'ev not used intel on the desktop since i had a 386 sx25
[05:58] <aav> hehe
[05:58] <aav> were you on K5 and similar duds?
[05:58] <Rangar> so, it's been a while ;)
[05:58] <Rangar> yah
[05:58] <aav> ug
[05:59] <aav> i briefly tried a K5, found out it ran Quake like shit, swapped it for a P133
[05:59] <Rangar> actually, my 486 and 586 chips were IBM
[05:59] <aav> hm
[05:59] <aav> IBM, are you positive?
[05:59] <Rangar> then i tried a 6x86 from Cyrix
[05:59] <Rangar> never again
[05:59] <Rangar> yah, IBM Blue Lightening cpus
[05:59] <aav> the 486's were cloned but i didnt think there were IBM 586's
[06:00] <aav> i mean there is no 586, just Pentium and then K5
[06:00] <aav> the architectures branched there
[06:00] <aav> then on to Intel P6, AMD K6
[06:00] <aav> etc
[06:00] <Rangar> hmm I know 100% forsure i had an IBM 486
[06:00] <aav> ok :)
[06:00] <Rangar> maybe i had a cyrix 5x86 also
[06:01] <Rangar> whatever it was it left a bad feeling in my mouth of being ripped off
[06:01] <Rangar> i wasn't on that for long i can tell you
[06:01] <aav> yeah :)
[06:01] <Rangar> i mgiht as well have gone back to my Atari ST, would have been more producti
[06:01] <aav> everyone but intel dropped the ball on the '5 chips
[06:01] <aav> hehe
[06:02] <Rangar> but that was a bit hard since i traded it in for $300 off on my $3200 386
[06:02] <Rangar> lol
[06:02] <aav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrix_Cx5x86
[06:02] <aav> ahh
[06:02] <aav> IBM licensed Cyrix chips
[06:02] <Rangar> $3200 for a 386.. see what Wolfenstein 3D did to me ;)
[06:02] <Rangar> ahh that could have ben it
[06:02] <aav> man you had obscure CPUs :D
[06:02] <aav> heh
[06:03] <Rangar> its what we got in this part of the world alot
[06:03] <aav> ah :)
[06:03] <Rangar> I gss we got what the rest of the world didnt want, and we paid the market p
[06:03] <aav> iirc the Cyrix 486's was missing an instruction or two from the general 486 spe
[06:04] <aav> yeah :P
[06:04] <Rangar> Ahh yes, IBM 5x86C that was her
[06:04] <Rangar> and the IBM 486 Blue Lightening
[06:04] <Rangar> thinking back then that paying for IBM you got quality :P
[06:04] <aav> :))
[06:04] <Rangar> mind you, I liked IBM back then.. run IBM cpu's, IBM OS/2 etc
[06:05] <aav> ah yeah
[06:05] <aav> man these sucked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K5
[06:05] <Rangar> I like how one guy put the late 1980's...
[06:06] <Rangar> In the 1970's and early 1980's you were assured yoru bosses liked you for ch
[06:06] <aav> hehe
[06:07] <Rangar> we sole ALOT of those K5's at work
[06:07] <Rangar> sold
[06:07] <aav> :)
[06:07] <aav> get any angry quake players?
[06:07] <Rangar> this part of the world is dominated by asian supply
[06:07] <aav> ahh
[06:08] <Rangar> so motherboards etc. back then were flooding the market in this part of the
[06:09] <Rangar> which gave rise to "backyard Taiwaneese motherboard manufacturers"
[06:09] <aav> gotcha
[06:09] <Rangar> really, it's because of AMD you have cheap hardware, but they dont get credi
[06:10] <Rangar> if it were the same way as it was, and Intel had the lock on the motherboard
[06:10] <aav> hmm
[06:10] <aav> not sure what chipsets i was using but i could change between intel and amd 486
[06:10] <aav> i upgraded twice, something like dx2/66->80->100
[06:11] <Rangar> yes, the 486's etc. were all interchangabl;e.. this was pentium era i/m talk
[06:11] <aav> oh ok
[06:11] <aav> right
[06:11] <Rangar> Pentium, 586's
[06:11] <Rangar> Thats why AMD and Cyrix followed the same line, so mobo chipset makers wern'
[06:11] <Rangar> which worked out better for both companies
[06:11] <aav> i see
[06:12] <aav> and they used Socket 7 for a looong time
[06:12] <Rangar> yah
[06:12] <Rangar> Super Socket 7 :)
[06:12] <aav> ah yeah :)
[06:12] <aav> whatever that was ;)
[06:12] <Rangar> man, i've probably seen like 27,000 of those mobos in my life lol
[06:12] <aav> heh
[06:13] <Rangar> we have alot of clients still running them
[06:13] <aav> damn
[06:13] <Rangar> does what they need
[06:13] <Rangar> clean the cpu fans out etc. they just keep going
[06:13] <aav> well it's impressive they last :P
[06:13] <Rangar> why buy a powerhouse to just use a word processor? :)
[06:13] <aav> heh
[06:13] <Ultyma> notepad ftw
[06:14] <Rangar> in my days, word processors did 1 line on screen then typed it out when you
[06:14] <Rangar> DAMN, time.. it's gone :(
[06:14] <Rangar> it's 3:15am!!!
[06:14] <Rangar> last I looked, 12:30
[06:14] <aav> yeah i found a 1977 computer once
[06:14] <aav> had it for a decade, it was fun
[06:15] <aav> heat-transfer printer was the main display
[06:15] <Rangar> what was it??
[06:15] <aav> and it also had a 16 character LED window
[06:15] <aav> Canon BX-1
[06:15] <Rangar> ahh yea
[06:15] <aav> don't tell me you've seen them? :D
[06:15] <aav> the B apparently meant it had Basic as the built-in- language
[06:16] <aav> all the BASIC keywords were strewn out on separate keys
[06:16] <aav> there was an AX-1 model with asm language too
[06:16] <aav> i shouldn't have trashed it :(
[06:16] <aav> i had this huge dual-floppy hunk of metal too
[06:16] <Rangar> I've probably used a BX-1 for all I kniow
[06:16] <aav> 8" floppies
[06:17] <aav> you could literally disconnect the floppy drive from the computer and it could
[06:17] <aav> it weighed probably 50-60 kg
[06:17] <Rangar> when i was a kid had this home console with a buildin screen called Dracula
[06:17] <aav> heheh
[06:18] <aav> Dracula
[06:18] <aav> was that the only game it had? :P
[06:18] <Rangar> yup
[06:18] <Rangar> cost like $300
[06:18] <aav> http://mo5.com/musee/fiche.php?id=bx1
[06:18] <aav> wow here it is
[06:19] <Rangar> ok i've not used that ;)
[06:19] <aav> hehe
[06:19] <aav> http://mo5.com/commun/images/ordinateurs/canon/F_BX1.jpg
[06:19] <aav> wonderful
[06:22] <Rangar> WOW!!!!
[06:22] <Rangar> http://cgi.ebay.ie/DRACULA-HOUSE-EPOCH-NEW-OLD-STOCK-VINTAGE-GAME-1982_W0QQi
[06:22] <Rangar> Thats IT!
[06:23] <aav> oooooh
[06:23] <Rangar> the was my first ever console :)
[06:23] <aav> nice :D
[06:23] <aav> i played something similar
[06:23] <aav> but with mario and a lot of pipes
[06:24] <aav> not pipes, it was cement and you had to haul it to chutes somehow
[06:24] <aav> hm
[06:24] <aav> ah :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario's_Cement_Factory
[06:24] <Ultyma> I CANT WAIT FOR MY WII
[06:25] <aav> http://www.handheldmuseum.com/Nintendo/Mario.htm
[06:25] <aav> Ultyma, bah!
[06:25] <aav> i'll play Cement Factory instead
[06:26] <Ultyma> nope
[06:26] <Ultyma> Wii is the bomb
[06:26] <Ultyma> so much fun :D
[06:27] <Rangar> Thats not old.. it has COLOUR!
[06:27] <Rangar> aavy, i thought you were old!
[06:27] <aav> heheh
[06:27] <aav> fake color using plastic sheets :P
[06:28] <aav> man that must have been the first video game i ever saw
[06:28] <aav> and i didn't even know it was one
[06:29] <aav> must've been 4-5 years old
[06:29] * flashzzzz is now known as flashed
[06:29] <honkykong> hi all... trolling for work... anyone need a remote texture whore/lowmesh
[06:30] <kw> OMG SPAM!
[06:30] <kw> ;)
[06:30] <aav> honkykong, talk to Slade
[06:30] <flashed> :s
[06:30] <aav> we might
[06:31] <Rangar> http://www.x-entertainment.com/halloween/2005/september12/
[06:31] <Rangar> I shoudl remake this game!!
[06:31] <honkykong> sweet aight i will aav :)
[06:31] <aav> honkykong, have any work samples i can forward?
[06:31] <Rangar> it would take all of but 1 might lol
[06:31] <honkykong> hmm the same screeners i been spammig a while?
[06:31] <honkykong> i'll msg them to you, everyones already seen em in the chan
[06:32] <Ultyma> Rangar you should remake Night Trap
[06:32] <Ultyma> in your own house
[06:32] <aav> oki
[06:32] <Ultyma> just need to hire a dumb blond cheerleader to play the lead
[06:32] * Ultyma calls Ghaleon
[06:34] <Rangar> hmm ya know
[06:34] <Rangar> lol.. this is the first time iv'e ever read the instructions to my game
[06:34] <Rangar> THA I got for XMas 1982!
[06:34] <aav> oh you have it there? :)
[06:35] <Rangar> damn I wish
[06:35] <aav> ah
[06:35] <Rangar> loved that game
[06:35] <Rangar> but alas, as a young lad i learnt the HARD way what direct sunlight can do t
[06:36] <Rangar> the screen buckled like 40 degrees in a lovely warping manner
[06:36] <Rangar> and the side pushed in and it just didnt want to work
[06:36] <Rangar> I ahd had it a few years by then though atlrast
[06:36] <aav> argh
[06:36] <aav> damn
[06:37] <aav> sigh
[06:37] <aav> and kids today are spoiled
[06:37] <Rangar> yah forsure
[06:37] <Rangar> my parents worked and saved their assess off to get me that
[06:38] <Rangar> now days it's like, oh, buy a Wii, no problemo
[06:38] <Dr_Rambo> and a sheep!
[06:38] <Dr_Rambo> heeh
[06:39] <Rangar> get back to sleep you rooluvr!
[06:39] <flashed> yeeeeah
[06:39] <flashed> PB time
[06:39] <flashed> bbl
[06:39] <aav> :P
[06:51] <killsalot> Linking...
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _c_dfDIMouse
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _c_dfDIKeyboard
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _GUID_SysMouse
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _GUID_SysKeyboard
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _DirectInput8Crea
[06:51] <killsalot> soccery.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _IID_IDirectInput
[06:51] <killsalot> crap
[06:51] <killsalot> sry didn't mean to paste that
[06:52] <aav> :P
[06:53] <killsalot> erm... how would i solve that though
[06:53] <killsalot> :-|
[06:53] <killsalot> since i pasted it completely accidently
[06:54] <aav> well you could start by linking with dinput.lib
[06:54] <aav> or is it dinput8.lib, i forget
[06:54] <aav> either way directinput is no longer recommended
[06:54] <killsalot> cheers
[06:54] <killsalot> hmm?
[06:54] <aav> for mouse/keyboard you should use plain window messages
[06:54] <killsalot> why not?
[06:54] <aav> because DInput just wraps WM_ messages since Win2k
[06:55] <aav> i'm unsure of gamepads though
[06:55] <killsalot> strange
[06:55] <killsalot> one of my friends tested it and said that his Dinput was much smoother th
[06:55] <aav> not if you handle the messages correctly
[06:56] <killsalot> i see..
[06:56] <killsalot> thanks
[06:56] <aav> np
[06:57] <killsalot> also wats in this dxguid.lib <--
[06:57] <aav> guid's ;)
[06:58] <killsalot> :P
[06:58] <killsalot> ok i'll look it up. thanks :0
[06:58] <killsalot> *:)
[06:59] <aav> np
[06:59] <aav> if in doubt, link it :P
[07:04] * shea__ is now known as shea|w2
[07:18] <honkykong> hey aav whats the best non-dinput way to poll mouse button state / keyboa
[07:19] <aav> well
[07:19] <honkykong> cause i tried WM messages for keyboard button states, and dinput, and din
[07:19] <aav> you should respond to down/up messages
[07:19] <aav> then you can build your own "state buffer"
[07:19] <aav> and poll that
[07:19] <honkykong> i tried that actually, it was the first thing i tried cause it worked so
[07:19] <aav> it's important to get the messageloop right also, maybe you were choking the me
[07:19] <honkykong> but it kept missing messages :X
[07:20] <aav> heh
[07:20] <honkykong> possibly
[07:30] <Krissa> jinput. ;)
[07:31] <aav> heh
[07:31] <aav> hi Krissa
[07:32] <Krissa> morning aav
[07:46] <Ultyma> lies!
[08:42] <Ultyma> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=010&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3
[08:42] <Ultyma> :D
[09:40] <Dr_Rambo> hey Palisade
[09:40] <Dr_Rambo> da stick
[09:40] <Dr_Rambo> ;)
[09:50] <Cyrix360> please can any1 help
[09:50] <Cyrix360> i am still stuck on level 2
[09:50] <Cyrix360> where the vents are
[09:55] <Dr_Rambo> help what
[10:01] <Cyrix360> im where the vents are and cant get out. this guy he wont move to let me o
[10:01] <Cyrix360> on my team
[10:08] <Dr_Rambo> what game are u talking about
[10:08] <Dr_Rambo> squee-d, goto sleep
[10:09] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[10:09] <GooRooPR7> http://www.powerrender.com/2007/BehindTheScenes/VistaDx10.jpg
[10:09] <Squee-D> sleep? i just woke up foo
[10:10] <Squee-D> 2 hours in the future
[10:10] <Cyrix360> why canterstrake of course
[10:10] <Cyrix360> gooroo: boring!
[10:10] <GooRooPR7> next time I'll have porn playing
[10:10] <Cyrix360> displacementmapping is l33t though
[10:11] <Squee-D> I keep reading GooPoo. i may need to change my font for your Gooroo
[10:11] <Cyrix360> i do like hte sparsemorphtargets but there are a few issues
[10:11] <Cyrix360> or change your diaper
[10:11] <Squee-D> indeed
[10:11] <Cyrix360> huhu
[10:11] <Cyrix360> i never ran skinning10 though
[10:11] <Squee-D> Dr_Rambo what are you doing awake?
[10:12] <Dr_Rambo> LOL
[10:12] <Dr_Rambo> can't sleeeep
[10:13] <Dr_Rambo> clowns !
[10:13] <Cyrix360> get soem rum
[10:13] <Squee-D> you dream of clowns?
[10:13] <Cyrix360> youll sleepies
[10:13] <Squee-D> yeah alcohol can help
[10:13] <Squee-D> i told you, i got drunk on friday and finally got the sleep my bodies been
[10:13] <Squee-D> >24 hrs and i hardly stirred
[10:14] <Cyrix360> "i dont know why i am scared of clowns. it must have been when i was a chi
[10:14] <Dr_Rambo> GooRooPR, looks amazing
[10:14] <Dr_Rambo> that soft particle DX10 effect
[10:15] <Dr_Rambo> LOL cyrix
[10:15] <Squee-D> wife stole my mouse in the middle of the night, cant use this computer f'sh
[10:15] <Squee-D> so i cant look
[10:20] <GooRooPR7> max9 gives a BSOD when I insert the dvd to install on vista :(
[10:21] <GooRooPR7> and the sidebar gadgets forget their settings when I reboot
[10:21] <GooRooPR7> clearly some bugs remain
[10:22] <GooRooPR7> oh and I still can't use a usb mouse lol
[10:25] <Cyrix360> do you need a course in usb mouse use or something?
[10:25] <Cyrix360> whyu can't you use one
[10:25] <Cyrix360> firewire mice are faster!
[10:26] <Dr_Rambo> Virus Installer Spyware Trojan Ass
[10:26] <Cyrix360> huhu
[10:26] <Cyrix360> i thought htere was a better acronym out
[10:26] <Squee-D> there is
[10:27] <Squee-D> dont ask me what it is tho
[10:27] <Squee-D> seeyas
[10:27] <Squee-D> work beckons
[10:28] <Cyrix360> it will be more harder to install anything on vista, so viruses wont have
[10:28] <wkr4k4r> yea right
[10:29] <wkr4k4r> viruses will own it
[10:29] <wkr4k4r> i know
[10:29] <GooRooPR7> when I plug a usb mouse in, it will move around but the buttons only resp
[10:29] <wkr4k4r> the warez are for virii
[10:29] <wkr4k4r> if you want your virii to live for the rest of your life then make a major
[10:29] <wkr4k4r> heh
[10:31] <wkr4k4r> gooroopr7: is this vista?
[10:31] <wkr4k4r> explorer is on crack
[10:31] <wkr4k4r> and not processing windows messages right
[10:31] <wkr4k4r> kill explorer and relaunch
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> hopefully that will fix it
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> heh
[10:32] <GooRooPR7> yeah vista
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> nicde
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> nice
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> you found a bug
[10:32] <wkr4k4r> surprise surprise
[10:32] <GooRooPR7> not hard to do
[10:33] <wkr4k4r> yea
[10:33] <wkr4k4r> hhe
[10:33] <wkr4k4r> call apple you can be in their next lieing commercial about how windows suc
[10:34] <wkr4k4r> on my imac the camera is built in the monitor!
[10:34] <wkr4k4r> oh god
[10:34] <wkr4k4r> so when it breaks you are fucked eh?
[10:34] <wkr4k4r> on my imac i have no choices for hardware only what macintosh makes and sel
[10:46] <Decept404> warioware is nuts
[11:13] * Swish[\] is now known as Swish
[11:37] * Fly_Mario waves to Krissa and Serina
[11:38] * Krissa waves back
[11:38] <temp1> anyone going to GDC?
[11:38] <Cyrix360> please can u help
[11:39] <Cyrix360> my rendertargets is not right
[11:39] <Cyrix360> it is failing to rendertarget. can ne1 help
[11:40] <Cyrix360> imagepattern = tiles, tilesize 1 width 64 resource = buffer in format r32g
[11:40] <Cyrix360> ooh a test bug. its expecting '0x' when it saw '0x80'
[11:40] <Cyrix360> :(
[11:41] <Ultyma> WOOT
[11:41] <Ultyma> my Wii shipped
[11:41] <Fly_Mario> woot ulty
[11:41] <Cyrix360> now you can bust your plasma tv when your strap breaks and you fling your
[11:41] <Ultyma> lol
[11:41] <Ultyma> i love ebay
[11:41] <Ultyma> :D
[11:41] <Cyrix360> thye have a website dedicated to that
[11:41] <Ultyma> yeah i saw it
[11:41] <Cyrix360> did you see it?
[11:42] <Cyrix360> ah
[11:42] <Ultyma> Hello Relish
[11:42] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[11:42] <Ultyma> =)
[11:42] <Ultyma> i cant wait for my wiiiiiii
[11:42] <Ultyma> no more going to the gym
[11:42] <Cyrix360> u can play with my wii
[11:42] <Ultyma> ill just play tennis
[11:42] <Ultyma> or boxing
[11:42] <Ultyma> lol
[11:46] * Cyrix360 is now known as Cyrix-
[11:48] * Cyrix- is now known as CyrixBoy
[11:48] <CyrixBoy> now to find out why my fillrules are fucked
[11:48] <Slade> Cyrix: cause you're only running a TNT2 voodoo killer!
[11:49] <CyrixBoy> LIES ALL LIES
[11:49] <CyrixBoy> ooh
[11:49] <CyrixBoy> i ownder if i can find one in the lab
[11:49] <CyrixBoy> bbiam
[11:49] <Slade> :D
[11:49] <CyrixBoy> SCORE
[11:50] <Slade> you killing some voodoos now?
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> they are right next to the 3dlabs Permedia 3
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> i know we dont have any voodo---
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> i bet we might have a voodoo5
[11:50] * Slade bets voodoo 3
[11:50] <Slade> permedia 3 from gateway or a normal one?
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> i dont think so
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> a normal one
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> the vx1
[11:50] <CyrixBoy> and a few pci versions of them
[11:51] <Slade> OEM permedias were the same as normal permedias with a few chips ripped off t
[11:51] <CyrixBoy> we have some old cards laying next to our inventory
[11:51] <CyrixBoy> yah like 16 megs instaed of 32
[11:51] <CyrixBoy> or something
[11:51] <Slade> like certain processors, etc
[11:52] <Slade> when i worked at gateway we had this guy call up who worked alot of with phot
[11:52] <Slade> he had a shop with like 10 computers and all permedias.. he took our permedia
[11:52] <Slade> it was all downhill from there
[11:53] <CyrixBoy> well it was ok while they wer eplaying with ogl2.0
[11:53] <CyrixBoy> and they were the hot shit for graphics workstations
[11:53] <Slade> :D
[11:54] <CyrixBoy> but the perm3 was the last gasp before ogl 2.0 went downhill
[11:54] <Slade> ogl 2.0 is like brand new i thought the perm3 was old
[11:55] <GooRooPR7> anyone know how to build dx apps in BC++ 2006
[11:57] <CyrixBoy> bc? whats that?
[11:57] <CyrixBoy> !google smithsonian Borland C++
[11:57] <GooRooPR7> borland c
[11:58] <GooRooPR7> basically I will make $10k if I can get my engine working under it
[11:58] <GooRooPR7> sounds like a good day's work :P
[11:58] <CyrixBoy> Smithsonian Air & Space Museum Quicktime Sightings ... The Borland Softwar
[12:10] <Fly_Mario> Well, there has to be a way
[12:11] <MeshMan> http://cgi.algonet.se/htbin/cgiwrap?user=guld1&script=fonts.pl
[12:16] <Ultyma> you needs to add ultys to your wii's
[12:33] <MeshMan> hey =)
[12:33] <Fly_Guy> ..I.. newb
[12:33] <Ultyma> :o
[12:33] <MeshMan> that was fast getting home Fly
[12:33] <MeshMan> you live like across the road or somethin?
[12:34] <Ultyma> dude, you know what the ultimate girl attractant is
[12:34] <Fly_Guy> making fun of meshy
[12:34] <Ultyma> being able to get to level 8-1 of super mario brothers in 2 minutes 20 secon
[12:34] <Ultyma> when i went to play wii at someones house, i demonstrated my ability
[12:34] <Ultyma> i can make it through all the levels without stopping
[12:34] <Ultyma> perfectly timed jumps
[12:35] <Ultyma> everyone was like cringing when i jumped over the pirahnas
[12:35] <Ultyma> cause theres no room for error :D
[12:35] <Fly_Guy> yeah life or death is very important there... >.>
[12:36] <Ultyma> everyone was like OMFG HOWD YOU DO THAT
[12:36] <Ultyma> i spent like a month in college learning it :D
[12:36] <Ultyma> i tried SMB2 and SMB3, but i cant do it that fast.
[12:54] <Dazed> Hi. Does anyone know of a way to use FBX files in ATI Render Monkey or a way
[12:58] <swx> write a converter? if both formats support the same number of UV sets, then the
[12:58] <CyrixBoy> NO U write a converter!
[12:59] <CyrixBoy> converter = intern work
[12:59] <Dazed> lol really
[12:59] <Ultyma> lol
[12:59] <CyrixBoy> u need 2 focus on teh end pictar
[12:59] <flashed> yeah
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> your artist should be able to provide whatever format you need
[13:00] <flashed> u need to glow more code shaders..
[13:00] <flashed> CyrixLord: artists aint magics u know?
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> oh you need to do this at runtime
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> ?
[13:00] <flashed> artists will supply a lot better content if coders knew how to code tools..
[13:00] <Dazed> I'm a one man project... so I'm the artist and coder and general flunky all i
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> not at proproduction
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> oh so all aspects will work but look like crap
[13:00] <CyrixBoy> like my website
[13:01] <CyrixBoy> "it looks like it was drawn by a dyslexic 4 year old... is that.. is that
[13:01] <CyrixBoy> how come it animates walking like it has a stick up its ass
[13:01] * GooRooPR7 gets Johhny Depp for motion capture
[13:02] <Dazed> Hi. Does anyone know of a way to use FBX files in ATI Render Monkey or a way
[13:02] <flashed> wrong ctrl+v?
[13:02] <CyrixBoy> huhu
[13:02] <Dazed> No just refreshing my question :)
[13:02] <CyrixBoy> because we have the memory of a gnat?
[13:03] <flashed> or of a bowlfish fish..
[13:04] <Dazed> Because you guys are so smart that I'm sure someone knows how to do it withou
[13:04] <flashed> i already told u :P
[13:04] <Dazed> you told me to write my own coverter
[13:04] <CyrixBoy> ooh thats correct
[13:05] <flashed> i told u to get deep explorer
[13:05] <FMJaguar> exploration*
[13:05] <flashed> :P
[13:05] <FMJaguar> <3
[13:05] <Dazed> oh sorry wrong guy
[13:05] <flashed> lol
[13:05] <Dazed> but you aren't sure that will work are you?
[13:06] <FMJaguar> if you try the demo there is no risk
[13:07] <Dazed> well if I can't find a better solution, I'll do that, but I'd rather not have
[13:08] <Dazed> and I don't feel I should have to buy new software just to get a friggin' fil
[13:17] <CyrixBoy> :(
[13:17] <CyrixBoy> thats how it is
[13:17] <CyrixBoy> try finding a codec for a dvd for free
[13:19] <Dazed> Well RenderMonkey is free, yet it doesn't seem that it can be very useful if
[13:20] <Dazed> It does support OBJ files
[13:20] <Dazed> I really expected the OBJ exporter in Softimage XSI to export multiple UV set
[13:21] <swx> just look at the obj specs and you would see that it doesnt :P
[13:22] <Dazed> Well I might have gone that far when out of options... I'm just looking for a
[13:22] <Dazed> It seems like the X file format can support multiple UV sets although Microso
[13:23] <CyrixBoy> sounds like you found yourself a market niche
[13:23] <CyrixBoy> you can write a converter and sell it
[13:25] <Dazed> Well #1 I want to write a game not an exporter, and #2 there must already be
[13:26] <swx> perhaps they wrote in-house exporters/converters ;)
[13:26] <Dazed> This is like the last hurdle I have to overcome in order to finally have a va
[13:27] <Dazed> I'm sure some do, but I just can't believe that there isn't shareware out the
[13:27] <Dazed> I mean does anyone here actually write games? lol
[13:28] <CyrixBoy> they probably use crap pried off of 3d studio max
[13:28] <CyrixBoy> directly
[13:28] <CyrixBoy> or maya
[13:30] <Dazed> Well I'd be very interested in *any* valid workflow that others may be using
[13:38] <FMJaguar> my workflow was deep exploration as well, but i don't know about that shad
[13:39] <Dazed> Do you use RenderMonkey Jag?
[13:40] <FMJaguar> no
[13:41] <FMJaguar> but in general i had a lot of "why doesn't <x> file that i got from
[13:42] <Ultyma> wow ive had my pscode.com account for like 6 years
[13:42] <Ultyma> 7 :O
[13:42] <FMJaguar> and i can say that in general the answers here were right, even though i a
[13:42] <FMJaguar> companies have accepted that it's going to be extra work, and either pay f
[13:43] <FMJaguar> I too posted everywhere figuring that someone would have this great workfl
[13:44] <Dazed> Well, with regard to paying for middleware, is deep exploration the only solu
[13:44] <FMJaguar> Dazed, nugraf/polytrans
[13:44] <FMJaguar> i'm waiting to see who's going to support maya 8 better, well 8.5 now
[13:44] <Dazed> I have Polytrans installed
[13:44] <Dazed> I'm looking it over right now
[13:45] <Dazed> but it doesn't support FBX import
[13:45] <Dazed> lmfao
[13:45] <Dazed> I thought FBX was supposed to be this new great format
[13:46] <FMJaguar> http://www.okino.com/conv/filefrmt_3dimport.htm
[13:46] <FMJaguar> fbx is on there
[13:46] <FMJaguar> notes link to: http://www.okino.com/conv/imp_fbx.htm
[13:48] <FMJaguar> also it's true that there are relatively a lot of game studios, but if the
[13:48] <FMJaguar> so i don't think they have any interest in making it better
[13:48] <swx> use COLLADA or something if you want an exchangeble format...
[13:49] <Dazed> Jag... cool I'm reading it now
[13:49] <Dazed> swx: got a link for Collada?
[13:49] <FMJaguar> collada.org ?
[13:50] <swx> bloated as hell, but lots of editors support it
[13:50] <swx> ;)
[14:07] <Fly_Guy> howe come every time you come around my london bridge wan go down?
[14:07] <flashed> lol
[14:07] <ScratXP> Gwen Stupidfani
[14:07] * LaRssA_ is now known as LaRssA
[14:08] <LaRssA> Gwen stephFanny
[14:09] <Fly_Guy> no no.. fergie u newbs
[14:10] <LaRssA> I know
[14:10] <LaRssA> bitch
[14:10] <CyrixBoy> so no 1 can help?
[14:16] <Slade> help what?
[14:16] <Slade> are you trying to play doom 3 on your tnt2?
[14:17] <Ultyma> lol
[14:17] <Slade> if so you'll need to overclock it with a flux capacitor
[14:17] <Slade> to steal timecycles from the future
[14:18] <Dazed> PolyTrans fails to import my FBX file lol
[14:18] <Ultyma> lol
[14:18] <Dazed> Does anyone have any experience at all with using models with multiple materi
[14:18] <Ultyma> i love coming home from work and having a good laugh
[14:18] <Ultyma> :D
[14:19] <CyrixBoy> u missed our permedia3 tnt discussion
[14:19] <Dazed> I'm here for your amusement Ultyma :)
[14:19] <Slade> i did? bummer :(
[14:22] <Dazed> I just noticed that when I imported my model as an X file into RenderMonkey,
[14:22] <CyrixBoy> and dazed is too cheap to buy a program to convert his files for him :(
[14:22] <Dazed> :P
[14:24] <Dazed> Even if I wanted to just use all of the UVs in a single stream just as it was
[14:25] <Dazed> It seems that when RenderMonkey imports and X file, it doesn't import the ass
[14:26] <Dazed> or else I just can't see how to use it
[14:57] <flashed> i know theres a page with a bunch of volume functions and ways to create an
[14:57] <flashed> like sphere ray colision
[14:57] <flashed> or OOBB ray collision
[14:58] <flashed> if anyone knows where i can find it :)
[14:59] <flashed> found it:
[14:59] <flashed> http://www.realtimerendering.com/int/
[15:02] <mrchris> where's ninja
[15:18] <entheh> http://www.quotesdb.info/efnet/gamedev/09Mar2006/1.html
[15:18] <entheh> HAHAHAHA
[15:18] <entheh> Ghaleon: ENTHEH to you GHALEON! XD
[15:18] * entheh got that by googling for 'entheh'
[15:20] <Rangar> Microsoft disclosed Monday that over one in five Windows installations were
[15:20] <Rangar> Hey, thats not as high as i thought it woud have been to be honest
[15:22] <Fly_Guy> halcy!
[15:22] <Rangar> yo Sir Fly.. hows things lil buddy?
[15:23] <Fly_Guy> yah you were all freaking out about the price. I knew you were a newb
[15:23] <Fly_Guy> guess I am getting vista soon
[15:23] <Slade> Rangar: actually that stat makes sense to me
[15:23] <Rangar> ewww ;)
[15:23] <Dazed> Ok new question... :) Does RenderMonkey have a way to active a particular eff
[15:24] <Rangar> I use Solaris
[15:24] <Fly_Guy> yeah yeah.. you use a different system every week
[15:24] <Fly_Guy> we don't listen to you anymore
[15:24] <Slade> Rangar: mostly because most people who use a pirated copy of windows, know it
[15:25] <Fly_Guy> I wonder if it will be like all the other versions of windows. Call their
[15:25] <Fly_Guy> 30 people using the same os that validates jsut fine
[15:27] <Rangar> hahaha
[15:29] <Fly_Guy> I know people who do just that lol
[15:29] <Rangar> Slade; thats a vaolid point bud
[15:33] <Rangar> Microsoft Sells Linux To Wal-Mart
[15:34] <Rangar> Several readers wrote in to let us know that Wal-Mart is planning to buy SU
[15:52] <CyrixBoy> huhu
[15:52] <CyrixBoy> its a pleasure to be working with them
[15:54] * Ziggy is now known as Teh_Zman
[15:56] * Teh_Zman is now known as Ziggy
[16:52] * PcChip is now known as Pc[Gone]
[17:07] * Rangar laughs @ Cyrix
[17:24] <honkykong> weird smoothing artifact looks wicked: http://img261.imageshack.us/img261
[17:28] <[Relic]> what's with everyone doing self portraits?
[17:30] * Pc[Gone] is now known as PcChip
[17:30] <FMJaguar> [Relic], noone's gonna sue then
[17:30] <Ultyma> lol
[17:31] <[Relic]> :)
[17:59] <mrchris> i got the thing im drawing to respond appropriately to left, right up and d
[17:59] <flashed> w00t
[18:00] <mrchris> E3 here i come
[18:01] <flashed> i have 4 things..
[18:01] <flashed> drawing..
[18:01] <flashed> and moving acordingly to keyboard input
[18:01] <mrchris> now i just have to figure out how to draw it right
[18:02] <mrchris> when you take an offset in a quake style .bsp file, is that offset from the
[18:03] <flashed> dunno
[18:04] <mrchris> i guess i could find the answer easily enough but why do 5 minutes of work
[18:05] <flashed> yup
[18:11] <honkykong> that wasnt a self portrait
[18:11] <honkykong> just a temp render from a char i'm making for a game
[18:12] <kw> are you german?
[18:12] <honkykong> playing around with meshsmoothing it after boning, then optimizing afterw
[18:12] <honkykong> i'm a little german
[18:12] <honkykong> more scottish tho
[18:12] <kw> that explains why you completely missed the joke then ;-)
[18:13] <honkykong> k
[18:13] <kw> anyway, he looks evil indeed ;)
[18:13] <kw> or well, angry
[18:13] <kw> not evil so much
[18:13] <honkykong> "not well"
[18:30] <mrchris> pessed
[18:35] <kw> hm?
[19:09] <Ghaleon> he means he has vd
[19:09] <Ghaleon> werd up peepz
[19:18] <mrchris> ay yall
[19:21] <Ziggy> :D
[19:21] <Ziggy> werd to yo mama
[19:21] <Ghaleon> more like frum da baq to yo mama
[19:21] <Ghaleon> wutz up ZiggyManz
[19:22] <Ziggy> nawt much
[19:22] <Ziggy> :P
[19:22] <Ziggy> nothing on tv :/
[19:22] <Ghaleon> livin life like Hugh Heffner?
[19:22] <Ziggy> yesh
[19:22] <Ghaleon> payin hos $2k/week for 2minz of secxz 2x a week
[19:22] <Ziggy> but with more womenz
[19:22] <Ziggy> nice
[19:22] <Ziggy> i need your life
[19:22] <Ghaleon> datz not my life
[19:22] <Ziggy> hehe
[19:22] <Ghaleon> datz Heffner's life
[19:23] <Ziggy> sure.. :)
[19:23] <Ghaleon> http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=104920
[19:23] <Ghaleon> cheq it
[19:30] <mrchris> he pays them bitches 2k a week?
[19:30] <Ghaleon> yeap
[19:31] <Ziggy> :D
[19:31] <Ziggy> thats a long ass article
[19:31] <aav> lol that one again
[19:31] <aav> and its always at cdfreaks
[19:31] <Ghaleon> the original is down :(
[19:31] <aav> ah
[19:31] <aav> hi Ziggy Ghaleon mrchris
[19:32] <Ziggy> aavness
[19:32] <Ziggy> :D
[19:32] <Ghaleon> aav mrchris Fly_Guy
[19:32] <Ziggy> ghaleon ghaleon ghaleon
[19:32] <aav> no hello for Fly_Guy
[19:32] <Ghaleon> }:]
[19:32] <Ziggy> :D
[19:32] <aav> what bup
[19:33] <Ghaleon> slaqn
[19:33] <Ghaleon> pwayin wif kittah
[19:34] <GooRooPR7> does anyone get spam that has a picture with text on it, and a funky back
[19:34] <aav> wee
[19:34] <aav> GooRooPR7, no, only you
[19:34] <GooRooPR7> lol
[19:34] <aav> it's real
[19:34] <GooRooPR7> I get bout 50 a day
[19:34] <Ziggy> lol
[19:34] <aav> means you have herpes :P
[19:34] <Ghaleon> mine had text about being a tru calibur pimp
[19:34] <Ziggy> i dont get junk mail :P
[19:34] <Ultyma> i get thousands of those
[19:34] <Ultyma> a day
[19:34] <aav> i usually get bank/finance-related ones
[19:34] <Ziggy> use gmail
[19:34] <Ultyma> also I get like 50 Viagara Emails that say "Take the blue pill and see how
[19:35] <aav> haha yeah
[19:35] <GooRooPR7> I'm wondering what the purpose is... they aren't selling anything. it's
[19:35] <Ziggy> gmail it like preperation H for herpes
[19:35] <Ziggy> s/it/is
[19:35] <Ziggy> :P
[19:35] <aav> viagra will burst your veins
[19:35] <Ghaleon> aka it doesn't work?
[19:35] <aav> not your bubble
[19:35] <Ziggy> goo: maybe a coded alquaeda message
[19:35] <Ultyma> lol
[19:35] <Ghaleon> burst yer man-vein
[19:35] <Ziggy> pardon my french
[19:35] <Ghaleon> aav: tell that to Hugh Heffner
[19:35] <Ziggy> ulimator
[19:35] <aav> GooRooPR7, yes... im wondering too... most of those are just random
[19:35] <aav> Ghaleon, heh
[19:36] <Ultyma> yeah its al qaeda
[19:36] <Ghaleon> Ziggy: why, you surrendering?
[19:36] <Ultyma> Al Qasadia
[19:36] <aav> GooRooPR7, they're phishing for the most part i think
[19:36] <aav> or sumfin
[19:36] <Ultyma> I WANT MY WII
[19:36] <Ghaleon> Al Quesadia
[19:36] <Ultyma> ziggy did you make a wii driver for pc?
[19:36] <Ziggy> ghaleon: i will never surrender :)
[19:36] <GooRooPR7> how many times a day do I need to be phished
[19:36] * Ghaleon strokes his Wii in front of Ultyma
[19:36] <aav> Ultyma, why dont you have it yet?
[19:36] <Ziggy> ulty: yo ubet your ass
[19:36] <Ultyma> it shipped today
[19:36] <aav> ah
[19:36] <Ultyma> i get it either tommorow or thursday
[19:37] <Ziggy> :D
[19:37] <Ziggy> nice
[19:37] <aav> you paid overprice right?
[19:37] <Ultyma> yeah
[19:37] <Ghaleon> my WL-700GE shipped yesterday
[19:37] <aav> damn
[19:37] <Ziggy> lol
[19:37] <Ultyma> retail is $279 here.. i paid $345
[19:37] <aav> :O
[19:37] <Ultyma> I dont care though
[19:37] <Ziggy> they're all over here
[19:37] <Ghaleon> jebus Ultyma
[19:37] <Ultyma> they dont exist anywhere here
[19:37] <Ultyma> i called stores like 2 hours away
[19:37] <Ghaleon> I paid $230
[19:37] <aav> should have got ziggy to send yo one
[19:37] <Ziggy> they dont have any controllers in stores here but they have the systems
[19:37] <Ultyma> im in canada
[19:37] <Ultyma> remember
[19:37] <aav> ah
[19:37] <Ultyma> $279 CAD
[19:37] <Ghaleon> they are $250 USD retail here
[19:37] <Ultyma> plus it was google adsense money
[19:37] <Ziggy> oh snap :D
[19:37] <Ultyma> so it didnt really cost me anything
[19:37] <Ultyma> :D
[19:38] <aav> Ultyma, ok so thats not so bad then :)
[19:38] <Ziggy> ulty is a canadian flip top headsman?
[19:38] <aav> royal
[19:38] <Ghaleon> I just made Ultyma's mama work a couple extra hours to pay mine off
[19:38] <Ultyma> :O
[19:38] <Ultyma> i need to go buy some games tommorow
[19:38] <Ghaleon> there's only like 3
[19:38] <aav> Últymaux
[19:38] <Ultyma> gonna get warioware
[19:38] <Ultyma> and zelda
[19:38] <aav> ah
[19:38] <Ziggy> i'm getting my bonus cheque on thursday :D
[19:38] <Ghaleon> those are the 2 games I have
[19:38] <Ultyma> i had so much fun playing WW on sunday
[19:39] <GooRooPR7> http://www.powerrender.com/funpics/spam.jpg
[19:39] <Ultyma> soon as i got home i sniped that Wii auction
[19:39] <Ultyma> lol
[19:39] <Ghaleon> too bad it's super short :(
[19:39] <aav> Ultyma, you're not going for the ones that are heavy on stickwaving?
[19:39] <Ultyma> what?
[19:39] <Ghaleon> WW is heavy on stickwaving
[19:39] <aav> actually i dont know
[19:39] <aav> maybe they are
[19:39] <aav> :)
[19:39] <Ultyma> WW is insane on stickwaving
[19:39] <aav> WW i can imagine
[19:39] <Ziggy> i'm getting 97656250000000000^-5
[19:39] <Ziggy> :D
[19:39] <aav> but zelda?
[19:39] <Ghaleon> Zelda not so much
[19:39] <aav> yea
[19:39] <Ultyma> i want zelda for the story
[19:39] <Ziggy> ulty: you want it cause of all the wrist flinging
[19:39] <Ghaleon> the fishing is pure sewage
[19:40] <aav> GooRooPR7, it's the Dakota Fanning daily weather report
[19:40] <Ziggy> i wanna make a fishing game for the pc using the wii controller
[19:40] <Ziggy> :P
[19:40] <Ultyma> lol
[19:40] <Ultyma> you should
[19:40] <aav> :)
[19:40] <Ghaleon> Get Bass would be pwn
[19:40] <Ziggy> :D
[19:40] <Ghaleon> Zelda fishing is like the opposite of Get Bass
[19:40] <aav> Ultyma, gonna get wiimote support in SWG at all? start hacking the client? :P
[19:40] <Ziggy> BadbAss fishing
[19:40] <Ultyma> lol
[19:41] <Ultyma> someone made a DDO hack
[19:41] <Ultyma> for the wiimote
[19:41] <Ultyma> i think theres one for WoW too
[19:41] <GooRooPR7> ghaleon needs to pay $$$ to get some bass
[19:41] <aav> heh i saw the wow one
[19:41] <Ghaleon> Get bAss: Fishing For Chix
[19:41] <aav> so pointless
[19:41] <Ultyma> lol
[19:41] <Ziggy> lol
[19:41] <aav> heh
[19:41] <Ultyma> i cant wait till the wii's potential becomes recognized
[19:41] <Ultyma> i want that cooking game
[19:41] <Ultyma> that looks like pure fun
[19:41] <Ultyma> lol
[19:41] <aav> potency
[19:42] <Ultyma> SHIT IM BURNING THE TOMATERS
[19:42] <GooRooPR7> somebody make a fly swatter game
[19:42] * Ultyma throws the wiimote
[19:42] <aav> GooRooPR7, haha
[19:42] <Ultyma> theres a fly swatter mini game in WW
[19:42] <aav> theres probably everything in WW
[19:42] <Ultyma> yeah
[19:42] <aav> whack-a-mole?
[19:42] <aav> check
[19:42] <Ultyma> yep
[19:42] <aav> :)
[19:42] <Ultyma> theres so many ways to hold the Wiimote in WW
[19:42] <aav> where are the crazy pr0n games though?
[19:42] <Ghaleon> The Elephant..............
[19:43] <Ultyma> i like the discard
[19:43] <aav> there should be some now
[19:43] <Ultyma> the samurai one is cool too
[19:43] <Ghaleon> samurai was hard for a while
[19:43] <Ghaleon> it wouldn't register
[19:43] * Ghaleon too stealthy
[19:43] <Ultyma> yeah, the one where you have to wake up mario
[19:43] <Ultyma> by slapping him in the face
[19:43] <Ultyma> i couldnt do it
[19:43] <Ghaleon> that one where you hand out cards
[19:43] <Debolaz> Hmm, LaTex is nifty.
[19:43] <Ultyma> i dont think i saw that one
[19:44] <kw> latex becomes a lot more interesting with word being so shit ;P
[19:44] <Ghaleon> u just like latex bcuz u into pr0n
[19:44] <kw> true that
[19:45] * kw blushes
[19:45] <Ultyma> lol
[19:45] <aav> TeX seems to have one style of output... classic 60's
[19:45] <aav> but i like it
[19:45] <Ultyma> ghaleon have you played Trauma center?
[19:45] * Debolaz adds latex to his list of stuff to learn, right after git.
[19:45] <aav> git?
[19:46] <Ghaleon> I haz nawt
[19:46] <Debolaz> Version control system.
[19:46] <Ghaleon> I heard it's short
[19:46] <Debolaz> Like CVS.
[19:46] <Ultyma> :O
[19:46] <Ghaleon> ew
[19:46] <Debolaz> (But much better)
[19:46] <Ultyma> i think ill rent it then
[19:46] <Ghaleon> just learn SVN
[19:46] <Ghaleon> ;P
[19:46] <aav> better than svn ?
[19:46] <Debolaz> Better than svn yes.
[19:46] <aav> i'd just use something standard ;)
[19:46] <Ultyma> nothing is better than SVN
[19:46] <Ghaleon> Ultyma's mama isn't even better than SVN
[19:47] <kw> Sweaty Virgin Nymphos *are* pretty sweet... I can't imagine anything beating it
[19:47] <Debolaz> There are quite a few things I don't like about subversion. For instance, t
[19:48] <aav> what?
[19:48] <aav> locally?
[19:48] <Debolaz> That is somewhat solved by svk, but svk checkouts are incompatible with pra
[19:48] <Ultyma> :O
[19:48] <Debolaz> Well, say I want to keep a copy of the repo on my laptop.
[19:48] <aav> define "copy of the repo"?
[19:48] <Debolaz> Literally a copy of the repo.
[19:49] <aav> ugh
[19:49] <kw> repository.
[19:49] <aav> distributed repo
[19:49] <kw> heh
[19:49] <aav> hi kw
[19:49] <aav> :)
[19:49] <kw> ok, thought you didn't mean what repo was there a sec
[19:49] <kw> hi ;D
[19:49] <aav> np ;)
[19:50] <Debolaz> That's a real problem for me, often being on my laptop without Internet con
[19:50] <aav> gotcha
[19:50] <Debolaz> That is not always the case for everybody of course, but it is important to
[19:50] <aav> and you really need version control locally?
[19:51] <aav> i mean, i know it gets frustrating if i'm disconnected for a few days
[19:51] <aav> but
[19:51] <Debolaz> Yes. Maybe I find out that something doesn't work the way it's supposed to
[19:51] <Debolaz> With the repo, I can just step through the exact changes I made.
[19:52] <aav> fair enough
[19:52] <Ghaleon> sounds like a case of bad code!
[19:52] <Debolaz> And I can make individual commits while offline instead of making one big c
[19:52] <kw> any of you ever used Kompare btw (linux file diff app)?
[19:52] <Ghaleon> cheq yer code before you commit it
[19:52] <aav> Debolaz, could get hairy to do hierarchical merge/conflict resolution
[19:52] <Debolaz> Ghaleon: Sounds like a case of ideal world. :-)
[19:52] <aav> but
[19:53] <Ghaleon> s/ideal/Ghaleon's
[19:53] <kw> haha
[19:53] <aav> heh
[19:53] <Debolaz> Ghaleon: I do make test before committing. But it may not always be somethi
[19:54] <Ghaleon> that's what test cases are for
[19:54] <GooRooPR7> http://www.powerrender.com/2007/BehindTheScenes/VistaPC3.jpg
[19:54] <aav> wewp
[19:54] <aav> no space for the GooRoo though
[19:54] <GooRooPR7> tomorrow I think I'll clean up some of the cables
[19:54] <aav> hehe
[19:55] <kw> pft, USING the pc is for wussies
[19:55] <kw> it's all about the LEDs
[19:55] <Debolaz> Ghaleon: As I just said. But there's a limit to what is caught by those. It
[19:55] <aav> kw :D
[19:55] <aav> black and neon, that's a perfect match for Aero
[19:55] <Ghaleon> not with good test cases
[19:55] <Ghaleon> ;P
[19:55] <kw> hehe
[19:56] <GooRooPR7> http://www.powerrender.com/2007/BehindTheScenes/VistaPC2.jpg
[19:56] <kw> I got a case fan with blue leds
[19:56] <GooRooPR7> it's a blue case
[19:56] <aav> ah
[19:56] <aav> kw, for shame
[19:56] <kw> haha
[19:56] <Ghaleon> GooRooPR7 has a sad computer
[19:56] <kw> it was quieter and cheaper than the others
[19:56] <aav> ah :P
[19:57] <kw> you don't actually see the blue light, cos it's backed against a wall ;D
[19:57] <Debolaz> http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/thoughts/diagnosing <- While 4 years dated no
[19:57] <mrchris> or it could be a passing tone between the fourth and fifth degrees of a pen
[19:58] <kw> huh?
[19:58] <Ghaleon> 4 yearz dated = :P
[19:58] <aav> s/tone/blunt/
[19:58] <mrchris> a blue note
[19:58] <kw> uh huh
[19:58] <Ghaleon> TortoiseSVN FTW
[19:59] <Ghaleon> svn://zphreak.kicks-ass.net
[19:59] <Ghaleon> huhu
[19:59] <GooRooPR7> k PR is compiling under borland c
[19:59] <Ziggy> lol
[19:59] <aav> poor PR :(
[19:59] <Ziggy> PR 1.0? :)
[19:59] <kw> yeah
[19:59] <GooRooPR7> BC sucks but somebody wanted a source license if I made it work
[19:59] <kw> tortoise is pretty sweet
[20:00] <kw> still a bit quirky to set up
[20:00] <kw> but once it's set, its peasy
[20:02] <DimR0C> tortoisesvn is pretty sweet
[20:03] <DimR0C> apaprently it doesnt work on vista tho
[20:03] <Ultyma> i use tortoise
[20:03] <Ultyma> we use Eclipse + subclipse for SWGEmu
[20:03] <kw> vista shmista
[20:03] <Ghaleon> the overlay icons don't work
[20:03] <Ghaleon> but the rest does
[20:03] <kw> it'll work on that eventually
[20:03] <Ghaleon> boo-fricken-hoo
[20:04] <Ghaleon> http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Software_Compatibility_
[20:06] <Ziggy> oh noh
[20:06] <Ziggy> BlueSoleil borks in vista
[20:06] <Ziggy> :(
[20:06] <Ziggy> thats the bluetooth driver i use to hook up my wiimote
[20:06] <[Relic]> I am sure lots of other things do too :)
[20:06] <Ziggy> :D
[20:06] <Ghaleon> pwnzd
[20:06] <kw> don't use vista with it then ;P
[20:06] <Ziggy> i'm sure there are others :)
[20:07] <Kukyona> I'm getting vista asap
[20:07] <kw> meh
[20:07] <echelon-\> why?
[20:07] <[Relic]> why not get another fine virus helper from m$ :)
[20:07] <Kukyona> because the software I use works
[20:07] <kw> hehe
[20:07] <kw> so why not stick with that?
[20:08] <Kukyona> because I like the many other features vista has to offer
[20:08] <kw> if it's anything like the XP launch.. the first months will be filled with being
[20:09] <Kukyona> with all popular things, there will be those who will try to destroy it....
[20:09] <kw> uh huh
[20:09] <kw> this will protect your data how?
[20:10] <Kukyona> I will protect my data then as I do now
[20:10] <kw> ah, you backup daily?
[20:10] <Ghaleon> lawl
[20:11] <Debolaz> Hrmm, X is sad today.
[20:11] <Kukyona> You know... I've only ever used a virus scanner once maybe twice in the 10+
[20:11] <Ghaleon> kw lives life connected to a hacker network
[20:11] <Kukyona> and I've only ever have gotten 1 virus on my computer
[20:11] <Kukyona> and that was on purpose
[20:11] <kw> Ghaleon - you know it ;D
[20:11] <Kukyona> Only takes a little common sense and a bit of mistrust to not get a virus
[20:12] <kw> and a fuckload of luck ;-)
[20:12] <Ghaleon> not really
[20:12] <Ghaleon> I mean, if you click all links you get in email, u = dumb
[20:12] <Kukyona> in any case, the shadow copy transaction stuff in vista will help if someth
[20:12] <kw> I've seen a couple ready-made tools to take over any XP installation, which I te
[20:12] <kw> almost all of them worked
[20:13] <Ghaleon> so you had access to the machine
[20:13] <kw> no
[20:13] <kw> well, inet access
[20:13] <kw> oh you mean afterwards
[20:13] <Kukyona> seriously... who opens "Grandchild.jpg
[20:13] <Ghaleon> no
[20:13] <Ghaleon> but RDC doesn't count kw ;D
[20:13] <kw> hahaha
[20:14] <kw> naw, they were little proof of concept apps with an 'enter IP' field
[20:14] <Kukyona> those damn blackhats need to get a life
[20:14] <kw> and if you enter an XP IP, you get a command prompt with root access
[20:14] * Kukyona remembers the winnuke days
[20:14] <kw> heh, be that as it may.. don't claim XP is secure ;-)
[20:14] <[Relic]> and now for a mindless thought --- Citronella candles may not be used i
[20:15] <Ghaleon> XP is more secure than say, kw's mama's pants
[20:15] <kw> you lie
[20:15] <Ghaleon> which I have ring 0 access to right now
[20:15] <kw> my mama just got new pants
[20:15] <Kukyona> I can hack into a linux box by using google
[20:15] <kw> with extra seamage
[20:16] <Kukyona> find the right version of apache, or phpnuke or phpbb, or glibc, or anythin
[20:16] <kw> I think you'll find "hacking into a linux box" is like "beating up a human".. it
[20:17] <kw> everyone seems to be running a different version
[20:17] <kw> of something or other
[20:17] <Kukyona> and hacking an out of date version of windows is just as easy
[20:17] <kw> I'm not saying you can't get in
[20:17] <Ghaleon> that's what skriptz are for
[20:17] <Ghaleon> they find the version and provide da sploit
[20:17] <kw> hey, I'm not saying linux is all that secure
[20:17] <Ghaleon> linux is the worst video game ever
[20:17] <kw> pft
[20:17] <Kukyona> lol
[20:17] <Ghaleon> well
[20:17] <Ghaleon> ET might be worse
[20:17] <Kukyona> seriously
[20:18] <kw> IRC is the best multiplayer notepad mod I've ever seen tho
[20:18] <Kukyona> I liked ET... at first
[20:18] <Ghaleon> liar
[20:18] <kw> no really
[20:18] <kw> CVS doesn't come close
[20:18] <Kukyona> its word pad... RTF
[20:18] <kw> it's so lagged in comparison
[20:18] <kw> haha
[20:18] <Ghaleon> I meant Kukyona is a liar, for saying he liked ET
[20:18] <kw> wordpad, that's like the most useless software ever :P
[20:18] <kw> it's like (Word+Notepad)/2
[20:19] <Kukyona> basically... that still puts it over notepad
[20:19] <kw> no, cos notepad at least edits and stores plaintext
[20:19] <kw> which is readable by anyone anywhere
[20:19] <Kukyona> so does wordpad
[20:20] <Kukyona> and rtf is a very old and standardized format
[20:20] <kw> it CAN, but then you're just trying to use it as notepad..
[20:20] <kw> try using it as a general purpose editor some time ;-)
[20:20] <Kukyona> I do
[20:20] <Kukyona> it loads large files much better then notepad
[20:20] <kw> haha
[20:20] <Kukyona> try loading a 2mb log file in notepad
[20:21] <Ghaleon> seriouzly
[20:21] <kw> why on earth would someone use wordpad :(
[20:21] <Ghaleon> I agree on that part
[20:21] <kw> I know notepad doesn't support large files
[20:21] <kw> but honestly dude..
[20:21] <kw> it's just a stupid little tool for a stupid little task..
[20:21] <Ghaleon> wordpad also fixes lunix \n'z
[20:22] <Kukyona> I dont know why they even still have notepad
[20:22] <Kukyona> they should just have replaced it entirely with wordpad
[20:22] <Ghaleon> yeh really
[20:22] <kw> well, I use ultraedit, which owns the fuck out of notepad (and wordpad obviously
[20:22] <Ghaleon> they had SuperPad in MSDN
[20:22] <Ghaleon> ultraedit can get in the way
[20:22] <Ghaleon> I've seen it
[20:22] <Kukyona> they need to make Live Writer a .NET app that people can write plugins for
[20:22] <kw> Kukyona - cos notepad is a simple quick way of editing plaintext, whereas word i
[20:23] <kw> Ghaleon - what's wrong with UE?
[20:23] <Kukyona> and wordpad is SOOOOO slow and SOOOOO complex
[20:23] <Ghaleon> kw was for the war before he was against it
[20:23] <kw> huh?
[20:23] <Ghaleon> kw: it assumes too much at times... I forget what the real issue was, since
[20:23] <kw> I never said I thought notepad was a great tool..
[20:24] <kw> I just prefer it over wordpad
[20:24] <Ghaleon> wordpad also edits plaintext
[20:24] <Ghaleon> therefor
[20:24] <Kukyona> I can understand if you've still got a P45 with 8MB of ram...
[20:24] <Ghaleon> wordpad and notepad fill the same gap
[20:24] <kw> no
[20:24] <Kukyona> back then it might have made a difference
[20:24] <Ghaleon> I got bored in class sometimes
[20:24] <Ghaleon> you can open at least 100 notepads
[20:25] <temp1> anyone ever hear of "webkinz"?
[20:25] <Ghaleon> notepad has been updated from 98->2K->XP
[20:25] <Ghaleon> temp1: we don't speak haqr
[20:25] <kw> whenever I edit something, it wants to save in 'rtf' format
[20:25] <kw> which is bad
[20:25] <kw> cos I never ever want that
[20:25] <Ghaleon> mine saves in txt
[20:25] <Ghaleon> I think you hex edited yours too much
[20:25] <Kukyona> mine too
[20:25] <Kukyona> seriously
[20:25] <kw> haha
[20:26] <kw> ok, maybe that's what's changed
[20:26] * Kukyona points out the "Save in this format by default"
[20:26] <kw> hehe
[20:26] <Kukyona> nice littel checkbox that lets you change it to what ever you like
[20:26] <kw> I never actually used notepad OR wordpad for a few years, forgive me if I missed
[20:27] <Ghaleon> suqr
[20:27] <Ghaleon> notepad pwnz
[20:27] <Kukyona> so you're ignorant of something but still proceed to push your opinion?
[20:27] <Ghaleon> kw prefers edlin
[20:27] <Kukyona> vi > emacs
[20:28] <kw> hah
[20:28] <Ghaleon> VS > vimacs
[20:28] * Kukyona agrees
[20:28] <kw> no ignorant as such... I just have knowledge of the last time I used something
[20:28] <kw> actually I have used notepad sometimes
[20:29] <kw> I just haven't used wordpad in ages
[20:29] <Ghaleon> I use wordpad when llamas make text in lunix
[20:29] <Ghaleon> and have crazy \r\n
[20:29] <kw> I still see no real advantage of wordpad over notepad tbh
[20:29] <kw> \r\n is windows ;)
[20:29] <Kukyona> just \n, windows does \r\n
[20:29] <kw> \n is unix
[20:29] <Slade> Ghaleon you mean they dont have \r\n
[20:29] <Kukyona> mac does \r
[20:29] <Ghaleon> I does not
[20:29] <GooRooPR7> wordpad can read .doc format
[20:30] <Kukyona> personally, from the standpoint of printing, \r\n is the most correct
[20:30] <kw> pft
[20:30] <Kukyona> one drops the line, the other returns the caret
[20:30] <kw> that's pretty outdated
[20:30] <Ghaleon> yesch
[20:30] <kw> it made sense in the 80s
[20:30] <Ghaleon> s/80/70
[20:30] <Kukyona> try the 60-70s
[20:30] <kw> khaha
[20:30] <kw> ok ok
[20:30] <kw> ;D
[20:31] <kw> mac doesn't use \r anymore btw
[20:31] <Kukyona> if anything, I'd expect unix to be \r\n
[20:31] <kw> uses \n too now
[20:31] <Kukyona> thats because mac != mac anymore
[20:31] <Kukyona> its mach mix with nextstep
[20:31] <kw> no, it's become quite good now ;D
[20:31] <Kukyona> yes, because mac != mac anymore
[20:32] <kw> since OSX it uses
[20:32] <kw> \n
[20:32] <GooRooPR7> I need to make PR support OS/2
[20:32] <kw> windows should switch too
[20:32] <Kukyona> you need to give me the PR7 alpha/beta/whatever
[20:32] <Kukyona> I agree
[20:32] <kw> the double char is outdated, and it would solve a lot of incompatibility problem
[20:32] <Kukyona> I think its just needlessly complicates things
[20:32] <kw> ya
[20:33] <kw> I coded an editor at one point, and the inconsistency was a PITA
[20:33] <Ghaleon> tru dat
[20:33] <Kukyona> thats what you just replace all \r\n to just \n and any remaining \r to \n
[20:34] <Ghaleon> aka werdpad
[20:34] <kw> \r is rare now I guess.. even rarer than it was
[20:34] <kw> almost every maccer uses OSX now
[20:35] <kw> Kukyona - yeah.. but if you change them...
[20:35] <kw> <Ghaleon> I use wordpad when llamas make text in lunix
[20:35] <kw> ;-)
[20:35] <Kukyona> its beyond me why so many people make such a big deal about OSX, its nothin
[20:35] <kw> hm
[20:35] <kw> it's pretty sweet if you ask me
[20:35] <Ghaleon> kw: yes, wordpad removes the inconsistency in \n when you open a file with
[20:35] <kw> used it a few times, seemed awesomely intuitive and nice
[20:35] <Kukyona> its pretty, I'll give it that
[20:35] <Ghaleon> I h8 on OSX
[20:36] <Slade> Kukyona: actually for a mac person osx is amazing
[20:36] <Kukyona> yeah, I can agree with that
[20:36] <Slade> protected memory space alone makes it worth it
[20:36] <Kukyona> it is a good change from the old system
[20:36] <kw> everyone I know that's moved to OSX (which is a fuckload of people in the past y
[20:37] <kw> everyone that's switched seems really happy to have done so
[20:37] <Kukyona> if they're anything like you, i.e. find wordpad way to complicated to bothe
[20:37] <Ghaleon> only because of the reality distortion field
[20:37] <kw> hehe
[20:37] <kw> let's not get to the personal insults, Kukyona ;-)
[20:37] <Kukyona> I only just
[20:37] <kw> yes.
[20:37] * Kukyona removes knife
[20:37] * kw flexes his back
[20:37] <kw> much better
[20:38] <Kukyona> Seriously though... BeOS has had a lot of the same functionality OSX 'innov
[20:38] <Kukyona> I have to say, it was smart to use the Mach kernel though
[20:39] <kw> how is that different from vista being based on windows 95 tho?
[20:39] <Kukyona> its not the greatest, but its still better then a lot of stuff
[20:39] <Ghaleon> lawl
[20:40] <kw> windows 95 had a lot of stuff vista is using
[20:40] <Ghaleon> liek
[20:40] <Ghaleon> like connecting to 360?
[20:41] <Ghaleon> ;D
[20:41] <GooRooPR7> mouse cursorz
[20:41] <Ghaleon> ANIMATED HOURGLASS
[20:41] <GooRooPR7> BSOD's
[20:41] <Kukyona][> :)
[20:41] <Ghaleon> GSOD's
[20:42] <kw> haha, cmon.. that's connecting to new hardware
[20:43] <kw> beos couldn't connect to modern day hardware either ;)
[20:43] <Kukyona][> sure it can
[20:43] <kw> maybe it can now
[20:43] <Kukyona][> http://www.haiku-os.org/
[20:43] <kw> but you were talking about what osx copied years and years ago
[20:44] <Kukyona][> yes
[20:44] <kw> I don't think hardware compatibility relates to that
[20:44] <Ghaleon> haiku looks so 1984
[20:44] <Kukyona][> I dont remember talking about hardware compatibility
[20:44] <kw> [05:41:49] <Ghaleon> like connecting to 360?
[20:44] <kw> no you, Ghaleon
[20:44] <kw> ;)
[20:44] <kw> *not
[20:44] <Ghaleon> no
[20:44] <Ghaleon> Ghaleon looks 1980
[20:44] <kw> haha
[20:44] <Rangar> because haiku is based on a BeOS rewrite, it'll sadly go nowhere
[20:44] <kw> so do I
[20:45] <kw> a good yerar
[20:45] <kw> *year
[20:45] <Ghaleon> a very good beer
[20:45] <Ghaleon> when I was seventeeeeeeeen
[20:45] <Rangar> no need for those OS's anymore
[20:45] <Kukyona][> its actually making very good progress, Rangar
[20:45] <Kukyona][> quite surprised
[20:45] <Kukyona][> I use to feel the same way
[20:46] <Rangar> Kuk: I know it is, but when you have free alternatives that are world leader
[20:46] <Slade> i think all haiku system messages should be in haiku
[20:46] <Kukyona][> hehe
[20:46] <Kukyona][> if you're referring to Gnome or KDE I can only laugh... they're barely ca
[20:47] <Rangar> no, I mean under the hood, i.e Solaris
[20:47] <[Relic]> you mean xp finally caught up to them?
[20:47] <Ghaleon> ie Rangaris
[20:47] <Rangar> and dont judge Gnome/KDE by 'cosmetics' the underlying desktops are very fea
[20:47] <Kukyona][> if you mean a... what 6-7 years now? 6 year old OS is caught up to the la
[20:47] <Slade> relic: are you implying that linux had userfriendly desktops before 2002?
[20:48] <Ghaleon> hehe
[20:48] <Ghaleon> Slade FTW
[20:48] <Kukyona][> I dont judge them by cosmetics, I judge them by how they work... I use th
[20:48] <Rangar> how they work is sadly 'cosmetics' with alot of poorly written apps for them
[20:48] <Rangar> apps crash, gnomne or kde is blamed
[20:48] <Ghaleon> Fly_Mario2.0
[20:49] <Rangar> FlyOS
[20:49] <Kukyona][> They are definetly fleshing out, to nearly being just as good as XP... bu
[20:49] <Slade> hell, has any linux desktop gotten copy paste working properly and consistant
[20:49] <Kukyona][> no
[20:49] <Kukyona][> not 100%
[20:49] <Kukyona][> maybe 85%, if you have a good distro
[20:50] <Rangar> kuk: fully concur there.. thats why whats driving those desktops underneith
[20:50] <Slade> then its not a contender. when you can compete with a 16 year old OS like w
[20:50] <Kukyona][> I think they should just do away with distros and concentrate on a standa
[20:50] <Rangar> i have to agree, c&p should have been thrashed out alooooooong time ago
[20:51] <Kukyona][> Its because they're doing what people made fun of 9x about... they're try
[20:51] <Kukyona][> they just need to trash all that crap and fork the kernel into a desktop-
[20:51] <Slade> win9x had proper copy paste
[20:52] <kw> heh, was in the news today
[20:52] <kw> new standards system for Linux founded
[20:52] <kw> the Linux Foundation
[20:52] <kw> http://www.linux-foundation.org/wordpress/?p=286
[20:52] <Kukyona][> the Linux Foundation
[20:52] <Rangar> you mean they are about to start on lintoilet 1.0 distro? ;)
[20:53] <kw> no, they're not making a distro if that's what you meant
[20:53] <Kukyona][> I really think they should fork out into domain specific approaches that
[20:53] <kw> it's like the w3c for web
[20:53] <Slade> ie no one will pay attention
[20:53] <Kukyona][> totally irrellivant?
[20:53] <Rangar> they should get rid of linux anyway, it's license is absurd and restrictive,
[20:53] <kw> haha
[20:53] <kw> you exaggerate ;)
[20:54] <Kukyona][> I like FreeBSD
[20:54] <Kukyona][> its my favorite unix
[20:54] <Slade> ditto
[20:54] <Rangar> solaris is mine now
[20:54] <Rangar> I love fbsd, but solaris has it over it
[20:54] <Kukyona][> I like Solaris, but I hate java
[20:54] <Slade> solaris smells like sun :P
[20:54] <Slade> and sun never smells good
[20:54] <Slade> their stock doesnt even do good
[20:54] <FMJaguar> pls, can solaris even run wow
[20:54] <Kukyona][> seriously
[20:55] <Rangar> oh boy
[20:55] * Kukyona][ is now known as Kukyona
[20:55] <Slade> can it run thief :(
[20:55] <Kukyona> Can it run quake?!
[20:55] <Slade> yup
[20:55] <Slade> qwtf :P
[20:56] * Kukyona ported qstat to BeOS
[20:56] * Ghaleon ported yo mama to da street corner
[20:56] <Rangar> ya know what the problem with haiku is..
[20:57] <Rangar> by the time it gets released, the majority of people forget what beos ever w
[20:57] <Slade> it doesnt make sense in english?
[20:57] <Rangar> it takes too long
[20:57] <Kukyona> they already have
[20:57] <Rangar> same as AROS
[20:57] <Kukyona> and most of them never knew what it was anyways
[20:57] <Rangar> thats.. also true
[20:57] <Rangar> AROS would be a GREAT wee home desktop OS
[20:58] <Rangar> but, how many users that it would fit, ever had an amiga now, or know what a
[20:58] <Slade> meh. all of this is going the wrong way
[20:58] <Rangar> yet, that OS project is getting very very complete
[20:58] <Slade> OS conversation in a channel like this should focus on 1 thing
[20:58] <Slade> how to get the OS into the living room
[20:58] <Kukyona> I was writing a Gamer OS
[20:59] <Rangar> slade: the size of Bills wallet due to Xp sales?
[20:59] <Ghaleon> 360 OS FTW
[20:59] <Slade> that means no keyboard, no mouse.
[20:59] <Slade> just a controller
[20:59] <Kukyona> thats not an OS anymore, imo
[21:00] <Slade> sure it is. the PIC uC has an OS
[21:00] <Kukyona> Im not programming with a controller :P
[21:00] <Ghaleon> yer not programming with a controller
[21:00] <Ghaleon> you're programming for a controller
[21:00] <Kukyona> and I dont want to either
[21:00] <Ghaleon> dev kit = keyboard + mouse
[21:00] <Slade> sure you are.. it'll be using a language like logo :P
[21:00] <Ghaleon> then u a slaqr
[21:01] <Kukyona> lol
[21:01] <Slade> running a turtle around the screen :)
[21:01] <Kukyona> Im interested in seeing how Singularity turns out
[21:01] <Rangar> bbl, letting my 3 yr old play some kids games
[21:01] <Ghaleon> I've seen a turtle attack a shark
[21:01] <Slade> F20LT90F20LT90F20
[21:02] <[Relic]> Ghaleon, what drugs were you on then :)
[21:02] <Ultyma> rangar doesnt want his 3 year old to be subjected to #gamedev
[21:02] <Ghaleon> it was on discovery channel
[21:02] <[Relic]> :)
[21:02] <Ultyma> especially ghaleon
[21:02] <Ghaleon> expecially Ultyma's mama selling at 50% for the next half hour
[21:38] <tmpvar> what uyp
[21:38] <tmpvar> up*
[21:38] <tmpvar> Ghaleotronic
[21:38] <Madsy> Someone set up us the bomb!
[21:39] <tmpvar> All my code r belong 2 u
[21:39] <tmpvar> :)
[21:39] <Madsy> Thanks.
[21:39] <tmpvar> better be its all OO .. can you handle it?
[21:40] <Dr_Rambo> HAHA
[21:40] <Dr_Rambo> http://www.anvari.org/fun/Gender/Dictionary_Explaining_Womens_Personal_Ads
[21:43] <ScratXP> haha, those are so true
[21:43] <echelon-\> especially the Femininst - fat one
[21:44] <ScratXP> especially a lot of them
[21:44] <ScratXP> Adventurous.................Slept with all your friends
[21:44] <ScratXP> Athletic.........................No tits
[21:44] <ScratXP> Educated.......................Was screwed to bits at College
[21:44] <ScratXP> Friendship first...............Former slut
[21:44] <echelon-\> lol
[21:44] <ScratXP> Old-fashioned................Missionary position only
[21:44] <ScratXP> Open-minded.................Desperate
[21:44] <ScratXP> Outgoing........................Loud and Embarrassing
[21:45] <ScratXP> Professional............... ...Bi*ch
[21:45] <Dr_Rambo> Emotionally secure - On medication
[21:45] <ScratXP> Voluptuous....................Very Fat
[21:45] <ScratXP> Large lady.....................Hugely Fat
[21:45] <ScratXP> Wants Soulmate.............Stalker
[21:45] <ScratXP> Widow...........................Murderer
[21:46] <ScratXP> all the ones that have to do with sluts or fucking around are so true
[21:46] <Kukyona][> yeah, I saw the link, no need to paste
[22:14] <Kukyona][> Anyone interested in making a semi-web based hacking game?
[22:14] * Kukyona][ is now known as Kukyona
[22:16] <tmpvar> ghaleonotron
[22:16] * Ghaleon8D is now known as Ghaleon
[22:40] <Dr_Rambo> what's "semi-web" based hacking game?
[22:41] <Kukyona> its a client, but communicates with a web-server through xml/soap... and mo
[22:42] <Kukyona> it would be pull based, like a web-page
[22:43] <Kukyona> would be a seperate client as players could write their own C# 'apps' to wo
[22:44] <Kukyona> also the whole game-client could be customized and extended... default clie
[22:57] * Squee-D sweats on the channel
[22:58] * Ghaleon applies a layer of sweatclothes to Squee-D to absorb teh sweating
[22:58] <Squee-D> its freaking revolting man
[22:58] <Squee-D> You move your finger, and your whole body breaks out in a sweat.
[22:58] <Ghaleon> slaqr
[22:58] <Squee-D> its not even hot.. 23 centigrade
[22:58] <Squee-D> its just revoltingly humid
[22:59] <Ghaleon> it's like 38C in my pants
[22:59] <Squee-D> you'll get texticular cancer
[22:59] <Squee-D> testicular
[22:59] <Squee-D> that thing
[22:59] <Squee-D> ball rot
[23:02] <Ghaleon> which brings me to my next question
[23:03] <Ghaleon> what hetero male would drink something called Bawls
[23:03] <Ghaleon> I mean, it's bawl juice
[23:03] <Ghaleon> ya sickos
[23:03] <aav> haha
[23:03] <Squee-D> never eard of it
[23:04] <aav> noone has
[23:04] <Ghaleon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bawls
[23:04] <catilac> Ghaleon
[23:04] <aav> Ghaleon just has a jug with Bawls in his fridge
[23:04] <aav> written with crayon
[23:04] <Ghaleon> catilaceon
[23:04] <catilac> hahaha
[23:04] <aav> bawls mints
[23:05] <aav> that seems even worse :P
[23:05] <Ghaleon> snobawls
[23:05] <tmpvar> Ghaleonitronic
[23:05] <tmpvar> :)
[23:05] <Ghaleon> that is worse
[23:05] <Ghaleon> tmpvariar
[23:05] <tmpvar> what up homez
[23:05] <catilac> Energy drinks are the greatest
[23:05] <Ghaleon> slaqn
[23:05] <tmpvar> slaqn kill.....in? :)
[23:05] <catilac> there is this energy drink called "Black Pearl" and it says not to drink it
[23:05] <tmpvar> catilac, are you preggers?
[23:05] <catilac> yesh :(
[23:06] <Ghaleon> NSFW: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snowball
[23:06] <catilac> yech snow bawlz
[23:07] <tmpvar> thats called snowballing
[23:07] <tmpvar> stupid dictionary
[23:09] <tmpvar> I blew a load in my fiance's mouth and then we snowballed with it.
[23:09] <tmpvar> ghaleon you would.
[23:10] <aav> you need Bawls mints after that
[23:10] <Ghaleon> newpz
[23:10] <Ghaleon> "by loonatic"
[23:10] <Ghaleon> aka nawt Ghaleon
[23:14] * _PcChip is now known as Pc[Gone]
[23:14] * Pc[Gone] is now known as PcChip
[23:16] <Ghaleon> http://www.paperrobots1999.com/
[23:16] <Ghaleon> super pwnz
[23:17] <aav> ooh
[23:18] <tmpvar> i spwnz j00
[23:18] * Ghaleon spawn frags tmpvar
[23:18] <Squee-D> oh i thought it was short for 'spoons'
[23:18] * tmpvar uses tiger claw for upar spwnizzle
[23:18] <Squee-D> was going to suggest you get a room
[23:18] <tmpvar> nah, its super-pwn
[23:18] <Squee-D> ;)
[23:18] <tmpvar> spwn
[23:19] <tmpvar> newb
[23:19] <Squee-D> +pwnz
[23:19] <tmpvar> super pwnz
[23:19] <Squee-D> the only thing getting pwnzed is poor old English
[23:20] <tmpvar> like it was treated right in the first place :)
[23:20] <tmpvar> LOL for instance
[23:20] <Squee-D> true that
[23:20] <Squee-D> LOL make me ROFL
[23:20] <Squee-D> makes
[23:20] <Squee-D> i knew i was a dweeb the day i said <sigh> out loud.
[23:20] <Squee-D> instead of, you know, actually sighing
[23:21] <tmpvar> yes
[23:21] <tmpvar> you are a dweeb
[23:21] <Squee-D> well established
[23:21] <tmpvar> gatzie
[23:21] <Squee-D> i have a tshirt with it on to remind me
[23:22] <tmpvar> emo kid *wooo woooo woooo woooo woooo*
[23:22] <tmpvar> carefull kids.
[23:22] <tmpvar> dont fall to the dark side with this one
[23:22] <Squee-D> you're emo?
[23:22] <tmpvar> LOL again
[23:22] <tmpvar> no
[23:22] <tmpvar> you are
[23:22] <tmpvar> :)
[23:22] <Squee-D> its vaguely possible someone can pass 30 and be emo, but its highliy uncomm
[23:22] <Squee-D> and i aint one of them
[23:23] <tmpvar> yeah you would have to try really hard.. and never quite make it :(.. im sor
[23:23] <Squee-D> you can be short of social skills and not be emo you know?
[23:24] <Squee-D> like Decept :)
[23:24] <tmpvar> decept is a pimp
[23:24] <tmpvar> you... not so much
[23:25] <Squee-D> meh
[23:26] <tmpvar> :)
[23:26] <tmpvar> no hard feelings.. atleast you arent trolling
[23:26] <tmpvar> so you are +1
[23:27] <tmpvar> Ghaleonitron
[23:32] * Ghaleon sniper pwnz tmpvar's ebays
[23:33] <tmpvar> i spwnzed Ghaleon in his mother
[23:33] <tmpvar> brain damnage? :)
[23:33] <tmpvar> nah.. you are older.
[23:33] * tmpvar hides
[23:33] * Ghaleon craqz whip
[23:33] <Ghaleon> datz right u whippasnappa
[23:34] <tmpvar> psh.. mkay you just got married early :)
[23:35] <Ghaleon> ?_?
[23:35] <Ghaleon> compared to yo mama havin kidz at 15?
[23:35] <Ghaleon> sure
[23:37] <Squee-D> in a shmup, dya think the player ship colission surfaces should be a bit sm
[23:37] <Squee-D> some games it would "seem" that this is the case
[23:37] <Ghaleon> some make it only a pixel big
[23:37] <Ghaleon> either do pixel perfect or small
[23:38] <Ghaleon> small is good for dodging
[23:38] <Ghaleon> pixel is good for bragging
[23:38] <Squee-D> yeah i wont do a center 'dot'
[23:38] <Squee-D> but smaller seems more typical
[23:38] <aav> Squee-D, yeah
[23:38] <Squee-D> thnx
[23:39] <aav> its highly annoying to clip an enemy bullet with one pixel and have to start ov
[23:39] <Squee-D> i think i realise why they seem smaller too..
[23:39] <Ghaleon> one game I saw if they hit the ship but not the inner area it just ricochet
[23:39] <Ghaleon> was cool
[23:39] <aav> hm
[23:39] <Squee-D> coz if you do approximate it, and the collision geometry is outside the mod
[23:40] <Squee-D> and im guessing people use collision spheres and collission boxes because i
[23:41] <Ghaleon> sure
[23:42] <aav> for a standard scrolling space shooter i'd do 2D collisions
[23:42] <aav> i dunno
[23:42] <Squee-D> for my ship to bg test i dont need solids, just points that are 'inside', b
[23:42] <Squee-D> yeah but my models are in 3d space.. i may tho.
[23:43] <Ghaleon> are they really
[23:43] <Ghaleon> I mean, do you go up and down and stuff?
[23:43] <Squee-D> they only have 2 degrees of freedom
[23:43] <aav> then do 2D colls
[23:43] <Ghaleon> yesch
[23:43] <aav> anything else would be stupid
[23:43] <aav> :)
[23:43] <Ghaleon> save da cpu
[23:43] <Ghaleon> throw billionz of bulletz on screen
[23:43] <Squee-D> yeah but how would you map that?
[23:43] <Ghaleon> map it just like the video card does ;P
[23:43] <aav> just ignore z... keep collision circles instead of spheres etc
[23:43] <Squee-D> that is, i got a ship, how do i identify where inside is.
[23:44] <aav> rects instead of boxes
[23:44] <aav> its far easier to do polygonal colision in 2D too
[23:44] <Squee-D> yeah i guess i define rects in the 3d space of the model
[23:44] <aav> you could have a 2D outline of the model
[23:44] <aav> or a set of rects to approx the shape
[23:44] <Squee-D> that outline changes tho see
[23:44] <aav> ok
[23:44] <aav> morphing ship?
[23:44] <aav> or "leaning"?
[23:45] <Squee-D> leaning
[23:45] <Squee-D> so id need to approximate it
[23:45] <aav> yup
[23:45] <aav> or project down a 3D shape into 2D
[23:45] <Squee-D> i just want to be sure it can be defined in the 3d app where its built
[23:45] <aav> nod
[23:46] <Squee-D> given me plenty to think on as i go buy some groceries :) thanks guys.
[23:46] <aav> np :)
[23:46] <Squee-D> i'll be back later if i find the time to give it a shot
[23:47] <Squee-D> it will also depend on wether xbox live has a demo for crackdown :)
[23:52] <tmpvar> Ghaleon, can i msg?
Session Close: Wed Jan 24 00:00:00 2007