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Session Start: Mon Aug 04 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #3dsmax
[01:16] <flashed> hi
[01:20] <sikstyles> hey-yo
[01:20] <flashed> sup?
[02:31] <kensho> hey there, i have done a fumefx car explosion
[02:31] <kensho> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVvwxhK6_90
[02:31] <kensho> please check the high quality
[02:33] <flashed> not bad
[02:35] <kensho> and plz rate if you have an acc :)
[02:35] <flashed> i dont
[02:36] <flashed> anyway.. the flames are very uniform..
[02:36] <flashed> and you need more debris
[02:40] <kensho> yeah
[02:40] <kensho> i know
[02:41] <kensho> in the full quality you can see the glass debris flying
[03:41] <chai> !seen WotG
[03:41] <mrHelpman> chai, wotg was last seen on #3dsmax 87 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes ago.
[03:41] <chai> been a while ...
[03:41] <GoulJusan> wow wotg is missing!!!
[03:42] <sikstyles> Because he has a different nick. :p
[03:42] <sikstyles> !seen Hedon
[03:42] <mrHelpman> Hedon (~John@cpe-67-240-38-83.nycap.res.rr.com) was last seen quitting fr
[03:43] <GoulJusan> !seen madkarma
[03:43] <mrHelpman> madkarma (madkarma@d203043.upc-d.chello.nl) was last seen quitting from #
[03:44] <GoulJusan> alot of pple r missing
[03:44] <GoulJusan> even greyz
[03:51] <sikstyles> !seen dgreyz
[03:51] <mrHelpman> dgreyz (SINN@cd4403bbe.cable.wanadoo.nl) was last seen quitting from #3ds
[03:52] <sikstyles> !seen SINN
[03:52] <mrHelpman> dgreyz (SINN@cd4403bbe.cable.wanadoo.nl) was last seen quitting from #3ds
[03:52] <sikstyles> !seen cgreyz
[03:52] <mrHelpman> cgreyz (4d3d9593@77.61.149.147) was last seen quitting from #3dsmax 16 da
[03:52] <chai> so Hedon is his new nick ?
[03:52] <sikstyles> yeah
[03:52] <chai> well madkarma is busy with work as usual
[03:52] <chai> ah k :)
[03:54] <flashed> he's hedon for a long time now
[03:55] <suurland> since no one wanted him as an OP anyway :P
[03:55] <chai> lol
[03:58] <flashed> and i wont have my op for a month :D
[03:58] <flashed> yay
[03:59] <GoulJusan> sinn is hedon ?>
[03:59] <[ut]> no
[04:00] <GoulJusan> who is hedon then?
[04:00] <flashed> wotG is hedon
[04:00] <GoulJusan> oh!!!
[04:01] <GoulJusan> i didn't know
[04:02] <flashed> you know now
[04:02] <GoulJusan> i guess i do now
[04:03] <GoulJusan> still nnot used to different nicks :D
[04:14] <timbre_> http://www.bryansilva.com/images/danny_trejo/machete_reference.jpg
[04:15] <flashed> hehe
[04:15] <flashed> you modeling that?
[04:16] <timbre_> trying to
[04:17] <flashed> :)
[04:18] <GoulJusan> including 'mr i gonna skin-u-alive'?
[04:34] <timbre_> what ?
[04:34] <timbre_> i just see a mean mexican with a lot of knives
[04:36] <GoulJusan> that's the Mr i'm gonna skin u alive twice
[04:36] <GoulJusan> :D
[04:36] <timbre_> nono
[04:37] <timbre_> his name is MACHETE
[04:37] <timbre_> and he kills everyone
[04:37] <GoulJusan> from that show..
[04:37] <GoulJusan> i know
[04:37] <timbre_> MACHETE
[04:39] <GoulJusan> i should quit WOW
[04:40] <GoulJusan> i spend too much time on it.. i'm an addict :((
[04:47] <GS> you'r just lonely GoulJusan.
[04:47] <GS> go out. there is a whole world outside your door
[04:47] <GoulJusan> i am
[04:47] <kensho> hey GS
[04:47] <GS> hey
[04:47] <kensho> here my finished work with fumefx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVvwxhK6_9
[04:48] <GS> already seen it
[04:48] <kensho> GS: the final?
[04:50] <timbre_> looks not so good
[04:50] <timbre_> toy flames
[04:50] <kensho> timbre_, its my first try
[04:50] <kensho> ;)
[04:50] <Awayvile> thats cool, but whats with the music :|
[04:50] * Awayvile is now known as Anvile
[04:50] <timbre_> the music is too much
[04:51] <kensho> do you think it would be better without music? ... just the sound effect?
[04:52] <timbre_> ofcourse
[04:52] <timbre_> less black smoke
[04:52] <timbre_> make it more explosive
[04:52] <kensho> ok
[04:52] <timbre_> and a very loud bang
[04:52] <kensho> ill try
[04:53] <timbre_> with breaking glass sound
[04:53] <kensho> its hard to get the flames more real
[04:54] <kensho> the smoke is easier
[04:54] * flaxed is now known as flashed
[04:55] <timbre_> look up some explosion curves
[04:55] <kensho> explosion curves? ... what do you mean?
[04:58] <GoulJusan> :)
[06:41] <maxdamage> hi
[07:06] <GoulJusan> meow
[07:10] <GoulJusan> guy new movie fer next year Watchmen
[07:10] <GoulJusan> looks kewl
[07:11] <Anvile> supposed to rape the comic, from what i've heard
[07:11] <Anvile> haven't read the comic though so i dunno
[07:20] <Mithandir> eh
[07:20] <Mithandir> that cartoonist says that about all film adaptions of his comics
[07:21] <Anvile> yea?
[07:22] <Anvile> lol
[07:22] <Anvile> why does he let them make moves of em then
[07:23] <flashed> cuse he needs money
[07:24] <Anvile> pff
[07:34] <surfer69> he is just stirring up dust
[07:37] * Frostu_ is now known as Frostu
[08:33] <flashed> :O
[08:33] <flashed> rip!!
[08:33] <ripLEE> heya flash :)
[08:34] <flashed> hows it going?
[08:34] <ripLEE> exellante!!!!
[08:34] * ripLEE lieing out his arse
[08:34] <flashed> ahaha
[08:34] <ripLEE> how bout you?
[08:34] <flashed> vacations
[08:34] <flashed> bored
[08:35] <ripLEE> I need one of those
[08:35] <flashed> getting lots of work?
[08:35] <GS> rip
[08:35] <ripLEE> nadda
[08:36] <ripLEE> dat you gabe?
[08:36] <GS> yep
[08:36] <ripLEE> im going blind.... hard to see names on here anymore
[08:36] <ripLEE> oi! how ya been brother?
[08:36] <flashed> hehe
[08:36] <GS> thats from the moonshine dude :P
[08:36] <GS> fuxxing up your vision
[08:36] <flashed> uuuuuh.. mooonshine
[08:36] <GS> could be better :D
[08:37] <ripLEE> i hear dat :( sorry ur in the same neck of the woods tho
[09:13] <Sonistar> re
[09:13] <Sonistar> gah, i must be a regular visitor by now!
[09:14] <GS> forget it
[09:15] <GS> im coming in here regularly, daily most of the time, since at least 6 years, hav
[09:16] <Sonistar> haha, fair enough GS :)
[09:21] <Coldtoast> how's the film photography going GS?
[09:21] <GS> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26010759/?GT1=43001 :( :( :(
[09:21] <GS> fine :D
[09:21] <GS> its more fun than dslr shooting :)
[09:22] <LL> Morgan Freeman R.I.P
[09:22] <GS> nah
[09:22] <GS> hes alive :D
[09:22] <Coldtoast> jesus. hope he's ok
[09:22] <Coldtoast> fantastic actor
[09:24] <Sonistar> yep
[09:25] <GS> i wish more labs would do E6 onsite :/
[09:25] <LL> I can assure you he's not ok, but we'll know if he's gone in the next couple of
[09:26] <GS> www.shadingandlighting.com/temp/reporter_katholikentag.jpg colors are nice for s
[09:26] <Coldtoast> very nice
[09:26] <Sonistar> GS: wuzzat?#
[09:27] <GS> a tv guy :)
[09:27] <Sonistar> i guessed that, i mean, did you take that pic or something?
[09:28] <Coldtoast> http://gallery.photo.net/photo/7637252-lg.jpg is a shot I took today at t
[09:28] <Coldtoast> snow is funner than fun
[09:28] <Sonistar> woah, where is that?
[09:28] <GS> yes, i did take it
[09:28] <Coldtoast> place called Ben Lomond in Tasmania
[09:28] <Sonistar> the snow looks beautifl
[09:29] <Coldtoast> where's teh EXIF GS? heh
[09:29] <Coldtoast> fantastic colours, btw
[09:29] <GS> haha
[09:29] <GS> agfa RSX2
[09:30] <GS> out of production color slide film :)
[09:30] <GS> EXIF is Hasselblad 503CX, 150mm, f/4, M
[09:30] <GS> 1/500s
[09:31] <Coldtoast> hehe
[09:31] <GS> AF was deactivated too
[09:31] <Coldtoast> I gathered that from the "150mm, M" :)
[09:32] <Coldtoast> assumed you went all manual
[09:32] <GS> nah, that was M for Manual, as opposed to A, S, or P :P
[09:32] <GS> haha
[09:32] <Coldtoast> cos that's how you roll
[09:32] <GS> i have no other options :D
[09:40] <GoulJusan> dang it i crave fer pizza
[09:55] <Frostu> hm, is there a way to reverse the direction of a curve?
[10:11] <JeNg|FX> is it possible to have a different color on 2 sides of a plane in max?
[10:12] <flashed> no
[10:12] <GS> yes
[10:12] <GoulJusan> i thought yes?
[10:12] <flashed> -_-
[10:13] <GoulJusan> then again i forgot 90% of 3d
[10:13] <GoulJusan> heheh
[10:14] <JeNg|FX> i need it to be so
[10:14] <flashed> why?
[10:14] <GS> so many semi-truths out here
[10:17] <Bercon> I guess there is a free 3rd party map to do that, at least vray has one
[10:18] <flashed> you could use shell modifeir
[10:18] <flashed> and have it assign different id's for each face
[10:19] <Refracted> max comes with a map that does it
[10:19] <Refracted> material rather
[10:19] <Refracted> double sided material or something?
[10:20] <flashed> it would be rather simple to code tho..
[10:27] <JeNg|FX> then flashed start coding :P
[10:27] <JeNg|FX> 2sided is a mirror map
[10:27] <JeNg|FX> u get same map on the back a face
[10:27] <JeNg|FX> nothing more
[10:27] <flashed> double the geometry...
[10:27] <flashed> simple :P
[10:28] <GS> 2sided is not a mirror map.
[10:28] <JeNg|FX> yeah i guess that's the only way for now but i know there was a way cuz i d
[10:28] <JeNg|FX> it's a figure of speech gs
[10:29] <GS> double sided is the mat you want
[10:29] <GS> facing material and back material
[10:32] <JeNg|FX> gs is a smart man flashed he won this one
[10:32] <JeNg|FX> :P
[10:32] <JeNg|FX> thanks gs
[10:33] <flashed> i dont care..
[10:33] <flashed> i'll kick him when i get my op back
[10:35] <JeNg|FX> lol
[10:35] <JeNg|FX> i still love u flashed!
[10:35] <flashed> ;)
[10:35] <flashed> hehe i know
[10:38] <GS> http://www.shadingandlighting.com/ any comments on the still-not-finished site?
[10:40] <flashed> looks good
[10:40] <flashed> like the design
[10:41] <GS> k
[10:41] <Sumo911> cool but why not just go straight to index2.htm?
[10:41] <GS> because i can :D
[10:41] <GS> i'll change the pic on index.htm regularly, depending on whats new, not so on in
[10:42] <GS> the goofy ball is just a stand-in
[10:42] <flashed> you could do that randomly
[10:42] <flashed> with some php magik
[10:42] <GS> i plan on doing so :P
[10:42] <flashed> :)
[10:43] <Anvile> php is not magic
[10:43] <Anvile> its demonry
[10:43] <GS> yeah, ill have someone else write it for me :P
[10:43] <GS> <-n00b
[10:44] <flashed> make Anvile do it
[10:44] <GS> and i dont want to get in contact with it if i dont need to
[10:44] <Sumo911> well it's pretty easy to just overwrite an image with the same name and pix
[10:45] <GS> yeah, that was the initial plan
[10:45] <GS> if i have new stuff regularly
[10:45] <GS> if not, randomize it :P
[10:45] <Sumo911> hehe
[10:46] <flashed> or you can make it random on the client
[10:46] <flashed> wich means once you open the page... it will loop tru some collection of pi
[10:46] <GS> or just make a bloated joomla site!
[10:47] <flashed> nah :P
[10:47] <flashed> you dont need that
[10:47] <GS> hehe
[10:47] <Sumo911> but one thing to think of is that if you do use that splash page you won't
[10:48] <GS> well.. if the meta tags dont work good enough i can still add hidden text in bac
[10:49] <GS> and i dont think that the site will generate any jobs
[10:49] <GS> its just a place to store the portfolio and link to it
[10:51] <Sumo911> most of the work i get off of people searching sucks i gotta agree
[10:52] <Sumo911> though i have gotten a couple of calls from some big ones
[10:52] <GS> it was just time to get rid of this almost one year old photoshop generated webg
[11:54] <Hedon> aloha
[11:55] <Hedon> what's the best way to capture video off a home made dvd?
[11:56] <flashed> rip it?
[11:57] <Hedon> I got one of those VHS/DVDRs and trying to get the video into files I can use
[11:57] <Hedon> just have to get some selected songs
[11:58] <TheBat> Hedon: maybe http://lifehacker.com/380702/five-best-dvd-ripping-tools gives
[12:02] <Hedon> thanks bat
[12:02] <Hedon> hmmm wonder if this is what I need
[12:02] <Hedon> I don't want to do the whole DVD, just a couple little clips off it
[12:05] <Hedon> looks like most of those just do the whole dvd or chapters
[12:05] <Hedon> hmmm
[12:15] <Hedon> looks like Handbrake just does the whole DVD into one file
[12:15] <Hedon> doubt I will be able to bring that into a video editing program
[12:16] <flashed> you are
[12:18] <Hedon> trying to put a few of the old band shows online
[12:19] <Hedon> I got this $3500 capture card I got 10 years agi and no drivers available for
[12:19] <Hedon> heh
[12:20] <Hedon> agi= ago
[12:20] <flashed> damn :O
[12:20] <Hedon> they stopped making drivers for it after NT
[12:21] <flashed> nt prolly work with xp
[12:21] <Hedon> yeah..I gave it a whirl one week and it just won't work on my Xp Workstation
[12:21] <Hedon> some weird crap
[12:21] <flashed> google it
[12:21] <flashed> maybe someone made ones for xp
[12:24] <pp> isent it possible to get more materials than 6x4?
[12:24] <pp> i cant figure out how :(
[12:25] <flashed> right click > select more than 6x4
[12:25] <pp> from the options?
[12:25] <flashed> or is 6x4 the most?
[12:25] <flashed> dunno..
[12:25] <pp> seems so
[12:25] <pp> thats just restarted?
[12:26] <flashed> anyway.. material editor isnt meant to have ALL the material in the scene
[12:26] <flashed> just the ones you're working on
[12:26] <Hedon> yeah...no luck...just a bunch of bogus sites that want me to download their b
[12:26] <Hedon> none on the Canopus site for it either
[12:27] <Hedon> sucks ya spend $3500 on hardware and they just stop supporting it after a yea
[12:29] * GoulJusan pets Hedon
[12:30] <GoulJusan> thats horrible
[12:31] <Hedon> seems liek there should be a program you can just play the dvd and skip aroun
[12:35] <Hedon> I find enough people asking how to do just that on forums...but no real answe
[12:45] <ve|2tigo2> would camtasia work? i use it for all sorts of things
[12:47] <timbre_> http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/994/Weirdo/article/detail/369076/2008/08/04/Te
[12:47] <pp> whats quick command to reset all views again? :)
[12:49] <TheBat> z?
[12:49] <pp> i mean to get all the 4 views up :)
[12:50] <TheBat> alt-w?
[12:50] <pp> ah tx :)
[12:52] <TheBat> Hedon: tbh i don't know a method for doing that :). i thought of using VLC f
[12:53] <timbre_> http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/994/Weirdo/article/detail/368079/2008/08/03/Gr
[12:57] <timbre_> http://www.demorgen.be/dm/nl/990/Buitenland/article/detail/368051/2008/08/0
[12:58] <Hedon> ahh
[13:07] <YamatoHD> hello!
[13:09] <GoulJusan> meowlo
[13:49] * Kirked is now known as CptKirk
[14:44] <timbre_> http://www.rlslog.net/john-carmack-unveils-details-about-new-doom/
[14:54] * loutre is now known as AlexZ
[15:05] <chai> does anyone actually gives a flying ass about a new doom ?
[15:10] <pp> whats that camera called again that you can animate on a circle?
[15:10] <pp> the normal camera lags when i tell it to
[15:13] <timbre_> what ?
[15:13] <timbre_> it has no name
[15:14] <timbre_> its a cam animated on a spline circle
[15:14] <pp> thats what i want
[15:14] <pp> were do i find it? :)
[15:16] <timbre_> put a circle, put a camera, add path constraint to cam with the circle as p
[15:16] <pp> ah
[15:19] <pp> were do i find path constraint?
[15:20] <chai> in the f1 key
[15:22] <timbre_> ya
[15:22] <timbre_> press f1
[15:22] <timbre_> and look up path constraint
[15:28] <timbre_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flpxujAPNYE <-- awesome movie scene
[16:02] <chai> that looks dodgy - http://softkristal.com/info-Pixologic_Zbrush_3.1.html
[16:11] * Anvile is now known as Awayvile
[16:44] <timbre_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH3JAp7vMuo&feature=related
[17:10] <Hedon> strange...that guy that got stabbed 50 times in the neck, had his head cut of
[17:10] <flashed> :|
[17:10] <Hedon> be careful what you wish for I guess
[17:14] <timbre_> those guys are walking bombs
[17:14] <timbre_> they silently develop a warped version of reality
[17:14] <timbre_> one that makes them extremely anxious
[17:15] <timbre_> they move in the borderline edge
[17:15] <timbre_> and then, suddenly, a random trigger pushes them over
[17:16] <timbre_> they must have had a serious distorted, stressfull or either extremely bore
[17:16] <Hedon> well, if I was 42 and still worked at McDonalds.... I would be pretty crazy t
[17:17] <timbre_> combined with already a presence of sociopathy and underdevelopped empathy
[17:17] <Hedon> that's why I am in so many bands...gets me out of the house a few times a wee
[17:17] <timbre_> like this guy Kuklinski, the worst hitman ever, he killed tons of ppl in co
[17:17] <Hedon> hmmm I captured the video off the DVD but it has no audio
[17:17] <Hedon> darn
[17:18] <Hedon> must be some simple capture software to just capture clips off a dvd with sou
[17:18] <timbre_> its a guy with a so called "warped personality", a human guy who has a fund
[17:19] <Hedon> if you want to kill lots of people...just start a discount Motorcycle company
[17:20] <timbre_> theres an essential disconnection in the brain to allow feelings of empathy
[17:20] <Hedon> Japanese kill off more Americans with their bikes than terrorists kill americ
[17:21] <timbre_> now its the japanese
[17:21] <timbre_> the amricans are the most blood thirsty folks ever roamed this planet
[17:22] <timbre_> they want war and destruction everywhere and everytime
[17:22] <ve|2tigo2> was that the iceman timbre_? the dude that video taped people being eaten
[17:23] <timbre_> their so called model of society, the big dream is one huge mask of sanity
[17:23] <timbre_> yes ve|2tigo
[17:23] <timbre_> the iceman
[17:23] <timbre_> it is time for america to go down on its bare knees
[17:24] <timbre_> not to suffer, but to see
[17:24] <ve|2tigo2> that dude was screwed up, i saw the documentary about him
[17:24] <timbre_> yeah ve|2tigo2
[17:24] <timbre_> kuklinski
[17:24] <timbre_> he's one of the most cold blooded contract killers ever
[17:25] <timbre_> his sadism knew no boundaries
[17:26] <timbre_> even his fellow murderers called him "iceman"
[17:26] <timbre_> cuz he always stayed cool as fuck
[17:29] <timbre_> at the end he says "nothing left for me, time to dieé
[17:29] <timbre_> at the end he says "nothing left for me, time to die"
[17:29] <timbre_> like a robot
[17:29] <timbre_> thats what i call distortion
[17:30] <timbre_> whats the use of it all i ask
[17:30] <timbre_> they are born here as a helpless baby, like everybody else
[17:31] <timbre_> grow up, turn into sadistic killer, deleting other ppl
[17:31] <timbre_> what is the use of all that ?
[17:31] <timbre_> where does that come from ?
[17:41] <[ut]> weakness towards the concept and differensations in the infinite.
[17:52] <timbre_> wtf ?
[17:52] <Hedon> maybe he just ran out of weed
[17:52] <Hedon> ;)
[17:52] <timbre_> was that some attempt to clarify a murderers mind ?
[17:54] <Hedon> crime rates around here have gone up 500% since they busted all the pot deale
[17:54] <Hedon> you don't see willie Nelson trying to beat people up and kill them
[18:03] <timbre_> people with power will always be the ones with least common sense
[18:03] <timbre_> always
[18:03] <timbre_> its like a physics law
[18:04] <timbre_> i am banned from all official banks in my country
[18:04] <timbre_> cuz i told my true opinion
[18:05] <timbre_> they took it as a 'concern"
[18:05] <timbre_> im on the so called "black list"
[18:05] <timbre_> for critisizing their power
[18:06] <timbre_> that is the real big brother
[18:28] <Hedon> yeah, banks tend to from on people coming into their banks dresses and Jesus
[19:45] <mbale> is there a way to project a map on a light without the map beeing projected o
[20:46] <jayyy> hey is there a difference between 3dsmax9 and 3dsmax 2009?
[20:49] <Sumo911> yes
[20:49] <Sumo911> max 9 is like what 3-4 versions older than v 2009
[20:49] <jayyy> max 9 is even older than 2008 i heard
[20:50] <jayyy> thats confusing :P bha
[20:50] <Sumo911> yeah for some reason when software companies get to v10.0 they decide to do
[20:50] <Sumo911> adobe.. goes up then finally starts calling everything "CS#"
[20:51] <Sumo911> instead of photoshop v14 its like CS3 now
[20:52] <Sumo911> some market research place must have found data that proved it was cooler t
[20:53] <Sumo911> but yeah i think it was v9 then 2008 then 2009.. all with some service pack
[20:54] <Sumo911> i notice autodesk has been putting dates on autocad for awhile so i'm guess
[20:54] <Sumo911> wonder if maya is that way too
[20:57] <jayyy> ah maybe thats why
[20:57] <jayyy> are the pro materials cool?
[20:59] <Sumo911> well i don't really use that cause i use brazil for most of my stuff
[21:03] <jayyy> yeah i use vray
[21:03] <PXL_MoNKY> yes Max, Maya, pretty much all Autodesk products are tagged with the fisc
[21:03] <PXL_MoNKY> now
[21:03] <PXL_MoNKY> Last Maya was Maya 2008
[21:26] <chai> it's nice we have 3dsmax 2009 and we're still in year 2008, it kinda breaks th
[21:33] <PXL_MoNKY> actually it doesnt...this is Utodesk's 2009 fiscal year
[21:33] <PXL_MoNKY> *Autodesk's
[22:23] <chai> lol
[22:23] <chai> ye I heard they're having 2010 the following month
[22:24] <chai> they use those years for their wine exports as well :)
[22:25] <Mithandir> most companies' fiscal year ends march 30
[22:25] <Mithandir> so fiscal 2010 would start april first 2009
[22:31] <chai> and their jewish fiscal year would be 2011 by that time
[22:32] <chai> http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/5512/autodeskbusyxk0.jpg
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