Session Start: Wed Apr 19 00:00:00 2006
Session Ident: #3dsmax
[00:03] <WotGorila> morning
[00:04] <WotGorila> always
[00:04] <WotGorila> working on "Wooden Bones"
[00:05] <madkarma> intresting concept
[00:07] <mcarp> got any sshots
[00:07] <mcarp> ?
[00:38] <WotGorila> darn, my ftp isn't working
[00:38] <WotGorila> Not a lot of 3D in this one
[00:40] <WotGorila> Mad, you download the Freeship help pdf?
[00:40] <WotGorila> their download site is still down
[00:56] <madkarma> no havent yet
[00:56] <madkarma> dint play with it just yet
[00:56] <madkarma> end of the week should be play time again
[01:22] * spooky60 is now known as Spooky60
[01:33] <WotGorila> heh, too much crap on this damn machine
[01:34] <WotGorila> plus I just realized I don't remember the last time I rebooted
[01:36] <alke__> u cant be using windows then...
[01:59] <WotGorila> believe it or not XPpro
[01:59] <WotGorila> but it's on an HP workstation
[02:44] <Kalyse> anyoen do project work for hire?
[02:44] <Kalyse> !rules
[02:57] <g|s> sure
[02:57] <g|s> we're all a bunch of starving freelance artists *cough*
[02:58] <Bluplet> i'm well fed and not freelance
[02:58] <Bluplet> woot!
[03:01] <Cpt|Kirk> Hi
[03:02] <Cpt|Kirk> I am just wondering since it has been a long time since I used 3D software
[03:12] <Bluplet> anything that does the job
[03:12] <Bluplet> really
[03:21] * DocHolidy changes topic to 'NO WAREZ | NO BOOLEANS! | Mr. Sparkle is disrespectful of dir
[03:21] <Kalyse> does anyone know any freelance workers who would be interested in designing
[03:21] <DocHolidy> just a banner?
[03:21] * |-Apoc-| is now known as [-Apoc-]
[03:22] <Kalyse> pretty much :) depdning on what else you can do with it.. like if you can fl
[03:22] <Kalyse> i dont really need anythign else
[03:22] <Kalyse> i have been waiting for someone to contact me for 3 days.. on msn but he has
[03:22] <DocHolidy> email me all the details and I might take the proj or pass on to a proff
[03:22] <Kalyse> so im looking to employ someone else,
[03:22] <Kalyse> PM me your email
[03:23] <DocHolidy> riplee@3dluvr.com
[03:23] <Kalyse> thanks
[03:23] <DocHolidy> o is okie every1 knows me round here.... is kinda public
[03:23] <DocHolidy> I dont have much time to chat tonight but if ya email me all the details
[03:24] <Kalyse> Sure, ill email you later this afternoon
[03:24] <DocHolidy> exallante
[03:24] <Kalyse> Its for a gaming site btw
[03:24] <Kalyse> GSP
[03:24] <DocHolidy> np.... just be as descriptive as possible
[03:25] * g|s is now known as g|wrk
[03:25] <DocHolidy> fine gabe u b*stard dont even say hi :)
[03:26] <g|wrk> hi, ho :P
[03:26] <g|wrk> didnt see you comin
[03:26] <DocHolidy> *sigh* WHAT happened to our happy lil home hehehe
[03:26] <DocHolidy> ahhhhhh hey brutha
[03:26] <g|wrk> hehe
[03:26] <DocHolidy> u hangin in there keepin busy busy?
[03:26] <g|wrk> hows the girl? wife already? ;)
[03:26] <g|wrk> im quite busy atm, yep
[03:27] <g|wrk> commercials, product viz stuff, ...
[03:27] <DocHolidy> still fiance....... june 22nd the big day..... u'll be 1 of the first to
[03:27] <DocHolidy> o exallante bro!
[03:27] <DocHolidy> I knew u'd get slammed
[03:27] <g|wrk> heh
[03:27] <DocHolidy> ur an AMAZING artist
[03:27] <DocHolidy> hows ur girly girl?
[03:27] <g|wrk> starting to make more blingbling than i can spend without wasting it :P
[03:28] <g|wrk> girly girl: N/A
[03:28] <g|wrk> heh
[03:28] <DocHolidy> !!!! woot woot..... thaz exallante news brutha!
[03:28] <DocHolidy> ack
[03:28] <DocHolidy> well.... u'll land rubberside down in that dept too....... u rock
[03:29] <Cpt|Kirk> hmm
[03:29] <g|wrk> hows work? got enough stuff in the pipeline?
[03:29] <Cpt|Kirk> So what is the current animation, compositing and particle effects package
[03:29] <g|wrk> Cpt|Kirk: ask 10 people and you'll get 12 different answers ;)
[03:29] <Cpt|Kirk> That is ok
[03:29] <DocHolidy> hangin in there.... our biz is still in trans and contracts are well.....
[03:29] <Cpt|Kirk> I want to know what is current
[03:30] <DocHolidy> brb
[03:30] <Cpt|Kirk> Last time I did stuff was 96 - 00
[03:30] <g|wrk> sry, i'm just a shader/lighting monkey :P
[03:30] <g|wrk> but there are plenty of guys in here who *could* answer your Q.. prolly just
[03:39] <Bluplet> hmmm girly girls hey
[03:43] <DocHolidy> blupstah :)
[03:43] <Bluplet> g'day!
[03:43] <DocHolidy> how ya been brutha?
[03:43] <Bluplet> quite nifty!
[03:44] <Bluplet> work's going well, we'll have a trailer with quite a few of my character pi
[03:44] <Bluplet> which is.. hmm next month
[03:44] <DocHolidy> well thaz what I was lookin to hear..... been doing some riding?
[03:44] <DocHolidy> o sweeeeet
[03:44] <Bluplet> and i got myself a biker betty as you put it
[03:44] <Bluplet> lol
[03:44] <DocHolidy> woot woot!
[03:44] <DocHolidy> waz her name?
[03:44] <Bluplet> reannan
[03:45] <DocHolidy> ahhhhh nice kinda like the song only spelt diff
[03:45] <Bluplet> rides a kawasaki gpx250
[03:45] <Bluplet> yep
[03:45] <Bluplet> rhiannan
[03:45] <DocHolidy> ahhhhhh then she's not a biker betty..... she's a biker! woot
[03:45] <Bluplet> well yea
[03:45] <Bluplet> :)
[03:45] <DocHolidy> very kewl!
[03:45] <Bluplet> no need to worry about these "the bike or me" conversations
[03:45] <DocHolidy> gotta luv the girl who wont ride b*tch
[03:45] <DocHolidy> hehehe
[03:46] <DocHolidy> true tru
[03:46] <DocHolidy> well sounds like every1's doing good.......
[03:46] <DocHolidy> can't ask for more than that
[03:46] <DocHolidy> maby thaz why were all so scattered and out of touch as of l8
[03:47] <Bluplet> yep
[03:47] <Bluplet> hardly 'round at home thesedays
[03:47] <DocHolidy> yeah with work and a girly girl..... is hard to get on eh
[03:48] <Bluplet> seeing interesting places, like.. mooball. http://img97.imageshack.us/my.ph
[03:48] <Bluplet> no bull
[03:49] <DocHolidy> as sad as it makes me at times (yeah I miss u f*ckers.. cheezy I know) I'
[03:49] <Bluplet> well i'm usually round on weekday nights
[03:49] <Bluplet> but noone's ususall on at this time anyway
[03:49] <Bluplet> :)
[03:49] <DocHolidy> yeah I had to work l8 tonight but usually my girl wants me in bed at this
[03:50] <DocHolidy> lol moo moo cafe
[03:50] <DocHolidy> cute
[03:51] <Bluplet> yeah!
[03:51] <Bluplet> interesting place
[03:51] <Bluplet> nice bit of riding road too
[03:51] <DocHolidy> http://www.tribalaggression.com/myspaceb/benrip.jpg only re3cent
[03:51] <DocHolidy> nice
[03:52] <Bluplet> very nifty!
[03:52] <DocHolidy> I dont like that pic
[03:52] <DocHolidy> shows how small I am
[03:52] <DocHolidy> hehehe
[03:53] <DocHolidy> http://www.myspace.com/hotttassbitch
[03:53] <DocHolidy> made a new layout for the girly girl the other day
[03:53] <DocHolidy> is kinda ugly but.....
[03:54] <Bluplet> woot!
[03:54] <DocHolidy> thats what she wanted
[03:54] <DocHolidy> u seen much o gordon as o l8?
[03:54] <DocHolidy> his leg doing good?
[03:54] <Bluplet> haven't seen him lately
[03:55] <DocHolidy> they prolly maby swamped on a new film?
[03:56] <DocHolidy> hopfully all is well tho and he's keeping rubberside down..... if not Im
[03:56] <DocHolidy> well lemme know and make sure I dont miss that trailer
[03:58] <Bluplet> yep
[03:58] <Bluplet> will do!
[03:58] <DocHolidy> u got any pics o ur princess up yet?
[03:58] <alke__> geez thats one of the worst pages i have seen in a while Doc. if you client
[03:58] <DocHolidy> if not get some o those cuddely couple pics so we can see!
[03:59] <DocHolidy> is a myspace for me girl.... just somthing I did real quick (she told me
[03:59] <DocHolidy> but *nod* I agree.... is a lil much to stomach
[04:00] <DocHolidy> but she digz that kinda stuff
[04:00] <alke__> eplepsi attacks? hehe
[04:01] <DocHolidy> lol
[04:01] <DocHolidy> I said the same thing
[04:01] * g|wrk is now known as g|wrkwrk
[04:01] <DocHolidy> TeaSee would freak
[04:02] <DocHolidy> well blupstah, gabe, every1 I better get back to work but pass around the
[04:02] <Bluplet> shes camera shy
[04:02] <Bluplet> lol
[04:02] <Bluplet> aight, have a good one mate
[04:02] <DocHolidy> pfffffft...... be a sneeky ninja boi!
[04:03] <DocHolidy> u too brutha!
[04:03] <Bluplet> doesn't quite turn out too well tho, ive tried many times
[04:03] <DocHolidy> one day u'll capture one or two Im sure...... keep trying :)
[04:03] * Anvile yawns
[04:03] <DocHolidy> get her as the helmet comes off and she has that sweat head look going...
[04:04] <Anvile> goodmoaning
[04:04] <DocHolidy> morn'n anvile..... k I'm outtie.... peace bruthaz
[04:04] <Anvile> er.. later
[04:04] <Anvile> :P
[04:19] <madkarma> hi doc... bye doc
[04:22] <Anvile> hey mad
[04:22] <Anvile> bye mad
[04:23] <madkarma> a good texture site
[04:23] <madkarma> any suguestions
[04:23] <Anvile> is..?
[04:23] <Anvile> oh
[04:23] <Anvile> :P
[04:23] <Anvile> www.mayang.com/textures
[04:24] <madkarma> i thank you
[04:24] <Anvile> i say : np
[04:38] * PXL_ZzZz is now known as PXL_GoNe
[04:47] <Hosti2> hey guys this sucks having a 4 dual core opteron and no 3d app to support al
[04:48] <Bluplet> cool
[04:48] <redfuck1> anybody know how to get vray 1.48 license?
[04:48] <Hosti2> not here redfuck1
[04:49] <Bluplet> pay for one
[04:49] <redfuck1> cool
[04:49] <Hosti2> no booleans? no this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcabji29WCQ ?
[04:49] <Hosti2> hi Bluplet
[04:54] * g|wrkwrk is now known as g|wrk
[04:57] * nitelite is now known as NiteLite
[05:13] * Ringer_ is now known as FROsTByT3
[05:15] * FROsTByT3 is now known as FROsTByTE
[05:38] * NiteLite is now known as nitelite
[06:19] <rx> Hi guys. I have an extremely big problem here. I'm a hobbyst game dev and the gu
[06:44] <SINN> hello earth
[06:44] <Tranq|Wrk> hello uranus
[06:44] <mcarp> Welcome to Earth! Please fasten your PC belts and check your nukes at the doo
[07:01] <SINN> whats new!
[07:03] <borg29> a lot of thingss
[07:03] <SINN> nice
[07:03] <SINN> something to show?
[07:04] <borg29> not here, I was checking discreeet
[07:04] <SINN> oh anything new there?
[07:05] <mcarp> discreet slash autodesk?
[07:05] <borg29> maybe motionbuilder 7.5
[07:05] <borg29> is there anything "much better" in max8 compared to max6?
[07:06] <mcarp> i like the uvw editor
[07:06] <aia> more bugfixes, more bugs
[07:06] <Tranq|Wrk> i really need to re-learn UV mapping stuff w/ max8
[07:06] <Tranq|Wrk> im still usin ol' max2 uv methods
[07:06] <Tranq|Wrk> none of this new shee-at
[07:07] <borg29> but UV was good in 6 too
[07:07] <borg29> whats so much better?
[07:07] <mcarp> you can now select vert/edge/face
[07:07] <Tranq|Wrk> wish i could tell ya
[07:07] <mcarp> i skipped 6 but you couldnt do that in 7
[07:07] <mcarp> plus it has some features i hvent used
[07:08] <mcarp> and i still dont know who uses w
[07:08] <borg29> so when you move vert for example
[07:08] * g|wrk is now known as g|lgtmnky
[07:08] <borg29> what happens , map deformes?
[07:08] <mcarp> er, yeah?
[07:08] <mcarp> wouldnt it?
[07:09] <mcarp> lol
[07:09] <borg29> I mean
[07:09] <borg29> it doesnt make too much sense to me
[07:09] <mcarp> oh there is some thingy that lets you hold uv's in place when you move poly v
[07:09] <mcarp> i havent used it yet tho
[07:09] <borg29> ah, ok
[07:10] <mcarp> which reminds me i need to try that out, it could be handy
[07:10] <SINN> you mean "keep uv's? option?
[07:10] <SINN> I mean
[07:10] <SINN> preserve Uv's?
[07:10] <mcarp> maybe sin, im not sure
[07:10] <mcarp> i only read it *shrug*
[07:11] <SINN> well its the preserve uv option
[07:11] <SINN> hehe
[07:12] <mcarp> have you tried it?
[07:12] <SINN> yes
[07:12] <mcarp> like it?
[07:12] <SINN> well yes
[07:13] <SINN> if you need to move some verts.. you dont really need to remap it all
[07:13] <SINN> so I guess thats cool
[07:14] <mcarp> well, usually only a few faces you have to remap anyway, but its a pita if yo
[07:14] <mcarp> especially if its a complicated map
[07:14] <SINN> yes, but its just one tick in the box to preserve them
[07:14] <mcarp> where is this tick?
[07:16] <SINN> in editable polyu
[07:16] <mcarp> mesh too or just poly?
[07:16] <SINN> I Dont know
[07:16] <SINN> poly for sure
[07:18] <mcarp> i see
[07:18] <mcarp> dont see that box on editable mesh
[07:18] <mcarp> that kinda sux
[07:18] <SINN> why
[07:18] <mcarp> cuz i use editable mesh mostly
[07:20] * |-Apoc-| is now known as [-Apoc-]
[07:21] <SINN> then switch :)
[07:21] <SINN> I find editable poly much better
[07:21] <mcarp> why did i know you were going to say that
[07:21] <SINN> intuition
[07:21] <SINN> speaking of intuition
[07:21] <SINN> you know that so called medium called Char!
[07:21] <SINN> that women that connects to the grave beyound
[07:22] <SINN> talks to the dead etc
[07:22] <SINN> spirits n what not
[07:22] <SINN> mcarp you heard of her?
[07:22] <mcarp> dunno, what about her?
[07:22] <mcarp> dont know the name
[07:22] <SINN> wel she's bad
[07:22] <SINN> she thinks she connects to happy spirits etc
[07:22] <SINN> but sneaky she connects to demons
[07:23] <SINN> but hell she know.
[07:23] <mcarp> i ah....generally dont think much about crackpots
[07:23] <SINN> mcarp have you read the bible?
[07:23] <mcarp> yessir
[07:23] <mcarp> about 3 times through
[07:23] <SINN> really?
[07:23] <mcarp> yeah
[07:23] <SINN> hmm cool
[07:24] <SINN> I never did it
[07:24] <mcarp> you didnt miss much
[07:24] <SINN> ah ok
[07:24] <SINN> hmm, I finally found out the use of "bitmap fit" in uvw map
[07:24] <SINN> hehe
[07:25] <mcarp> yeah like that
[07:25] <SINN> I mean I finally used it for the first time in my life
[07:25] <SINN> never seemed to need it.. how strange?
[07:25] <SINN> so mcarp what do you care about?
[07:26] <mcarp> in what respect?
[07:26] <SINN> any
[07:27] <mcarp> i care that ppl are free to live their lives and obtain that which makes them
[07:28] <SINN> even if it makes another unhappy?
[07:28] <mcarp> as long as it doesnt interfere with someone else's rights to do the same
[07:28] <SINN> you american?
[07:28] <SINN> hehe
[07:28] <SINN> ah ok
[07:28] <mcarp> i am. i live a bit west of atlanta georgia us
[07:28] <SINN> ok , about rights.
[07:29] <SINN> theres nothing in the book of law about love sorrow.
[07:29] <SINN> for instance
[07:29] <SINN> while it can be really really bad for a person.
[07:29] <mcarp> i also care that as a planet we move forward in technology unimpaired by poli
[07:29] <SINN> so how does your picture fit with that?
[07:29] <mcarp> 'the book of law' which is?
[07:30] <mcarp> you mean, legality in general?
[07:30] <SINN> just laws yea
[07:30] <SINN> not gods laws
[07:30] <SINN> but human laws
[07:32] <mcarp> your ability to persue happiness is somewhat protected by law in general, tha
[07:32] <SINN> thats not true.
[07:32] <SINN> somewhat yeah..
[07:32] <mcarp> it is tho
[07:32] <SINN> it is "somewhat"
[07:32] <SINN> but still it leaks as hell
[07:32] <mcarp> but of course you have to take in all the various laws that affect that
[07:33] <mcarp> you also have to take into account what country we're talking about
[07:33] <SINN> yeah or what state maybe too?
[07:33] <mcarp> sure
[07:33] <mcarp> if your pursuit of happiness involves opening a private business in a police
[07:34] <mcarp> if your pursuit of happiness involves soliciting a 15 year old, you may be ou
[07:34] <SINN> its not all about busines and economy
[07:34] <mcarp> however, in general the reasonable cases are covered well for the average cit
[07:35] <SINN> strange then how racism still persists
[07:35] <mcarp> i currently have no needs that are outside the law, therefore my pursuit of h
[07:35] <SINN> yeah thats good when you are in that circle
[07:35] <mcarp> it seems that ppl are always at odds with their differences
[07:36] <SINN> but what about the people that are out of that vicius circle
[07:36] <mcarp> i see much racism around me but i dont have a problem personally. i am able
[07:36] <mcarp> for example?
[07:37] <mcarp> ppl i meet that is
[07:37] <SINN> how could it be that racism still persists. and grows in some cases.
[07:37] <SINN> im not a racist
[07:37] <SINN> but there are people that are.
[07:37] <mcarp> what is your point re pursuit of happiness?
[07:37] <SINN> ok..
[07:38] <SINN> if people are born in this socity with all the laws that allows them to persui
[07:38] <SINN> then how come there are still people that hate, and want to kill. rapists.raci
[07:38] <SINN> that must be because of a flaw in this system.
[07:38] <SINN> thats what I just want to say
[07:39] <mcarp> because laws do not tell you what to think, only what you can not do
[07:39] <SINN> yes but laws tells what you can watch on tv
[07:39] <SINN> and thoughts usually doesn't pop up out of the blue
[07:40] <SINN> it takes study/developement to get there.. or someone just shows you someone e
[07:40] <SINN> for example
[07:40] <SINN> so the law really got something to do with it.
[07:40] <SINN> It can actually control how you will be thinking.
[07:41] <mcarp> not really. thats a matter of social training
[07:41] <mcarp> some ppl learn to think for themselves, some dont
[07:41] <SINN> Its that simple.. show lots of porn on tv and you will get many sexists.
[07:41] <mcarp> thats a problem but its not strictly tied to law
[07:41] <SINN> show lots of violence, and you have more crime
[07:41] <mcarp> that isnt necessarily true either
[07:41] <SINN> give everybody in the country the right to own a gun and to defend their prope
[07:41] <mcarp> what one is shown does not correlate 1:1 with action
[07:42] <SINN> ok I know its not strictly binded to law.
[07:42] <SINN> but it holds the greatest influence
[07:43] <mcarp> thats a pretty weak line of debate imo
[07:43] <SINN> like I said. you can develope a thought/idea. or just get it from the tv
[07:43] <SINN> which line?
[07:43] <mcarp> this whole bit about exposure and censureship
[07:44] <Kalyse> Does anyone do contract work? freelance.. hire.. I have a small requirement,
[07:44] <SINN> mcarp why you think so?
[07:44] <SINN> I think its pretty true that when you take a away guns from people they start
[07:45] <mcarp> ive never subscribed to the 'kids who play violent video games turn out to be
[07:45] <SINN> im not saying that either
[07:45] <SINN> but im saying they know that violence exist
[07:45] <mcarp> i think when you take guns from the legal owners you put them only in the han
[07:46] <mcarp> imo guns do not correlate directly in every case to death. there are many met
[07:46] <SINN> yeah well, thats because we are just too far into it already.
[07:46] <SINN> brb
[07:47] <mcarp> as soon as a caveman found he could crush a skull with a mammoth femur you we
[07:47] <Kalyse> Anyone do work for $$$? :)
[07:47] <mcarp> i made 200$ once does that count?
[07:47] <SINN> sorry phone.. :/
[07:47] <Kalyse> lol, I have a $100-250$ budget
[07:47] <Kalyse> if anyone wants a job,
[07:48] <mcarp> what do you want done?
[07:49] <Kalyse> Redesign of my banner, including some kind of.. 'associated render' to do wi
[07:49] <Kalyse> www.invision-gaming.co.uk
[07:50] <Kalyse> I have a GSP company, and I need a redesign of the current banner,
[07:50] <Kalyse> Dont care if you use old stuff you have filed away
[07:50] <Kalyse> from your portfolio or anything
[07:50] <mcarp> didnt go
[07:51] <Kalyse> didnt go where?
[07:51] <mcarp> your web page, i cant hit it
[07:52] <Kalyse> o, why not type it in the browser?
[07:52] <Kalyse> www.invision-gaming.co.uk not to difficult :)
[07:53] <mcarp> very slow but finally went
[07:54] <Kalyse> hehe, yer its quite graphics intensive
[07:55] <mcarp> host wasnt resolving tho
[07:55] <SINN> ok back
[07:56] <mcarp> wb
[07:58] <SINN> well ok mcarp its true
[07:58] <SINN> somehow humanity went through a path thats unable to undo or forget.
[07:58] <SINN> but still theories....
[07:59] <SINN> and who knows it might be genetic aswell
[07:59] <mcarp> i dont really agree with that outlook
[07:59] <SINN> which?
[07:59] <SINN> the world chances, but our history doesnt
[08:01] <SINN> anyway, what do you think is the base of "bad" in humans?
[08:01] <mcarp> here is a goodly amount of doom and gloom in your voice that i do not share
[08:01] <mcarp> s/here/there/
[08:04] <SINN> come on you just say that because I have an evil nickname ;)
[08:07] <mcarp> well it might be that, or you could be a socialist :)
[08:07] <SINN> im a realist
[08:08] <mcarp> and i am a capitalist so there you have it
[08:12] <SINN> yeah I guess so
[08:13] <mcarp> i dont mind debating this repetitively, however i would say that i have done
[08:14] <SINN> well do you know what we are actually debating?
[08:14] <mcarp> not only do we here in the us debate those same stances, it has become eviden
[08:14] <SINN> you are kinda saying that the law isn't all that responsible for how people ac
[08:15] <SINN> one can have more than one view.
[08:15] <mcarp> ah, but bringing up certain points, like gun control for instance, leads to a
[08:16] <mcarp> in one case, gun control, it is very specific, in the other case, general law
[08:16] <SINN> it was just a high contrast example
[08:16] <mcarp> there is a differentiation here in general and specific
[08:17] <mcarp> in general ppl abide the law overall. however, in specific issues ppl may or
[08:18] <mcarp> and of that particular example, gun control, the death rate of either control
[08:18] <mcarp> that statement reduces the meaningfulness of gun control overall compared to
[08:18] <SINN> guns are designed to kill.
[08:18] <aia> still, here in europe, very few people get shot. we have gun control :)
[08:18] <SINN> cars not
[08:19] <SINN> you cant discuss the fun control in amerika
[08:19] <mcarp> yet you still have ppl on the streets of london getting knifed to death
[08:19] <SINN> its just plane ridiculous
[08:19] <aia> mcarp: here in the nordic we don't have much of that
[08:19] <SINN> mcarp I dont cut my bread with a shotgun
[08:19] <mcarp> you also have a low population
[08:20] <mcarp> side note, somebody wanted to ban pointed knives entirely
[08:20] <aia> people can kill with knifes yes, but it takes more determination to really cut
[08:20] <SINN> mcarp good point
[08:20] <aia> but with guns it can happen instantly in less than a second
[08:20] <mcarp> saying that all kitching work can be done without a point, and that pointed k
[08:20] <SINN> mcarp yeah well you have a point there
[08:21] <SINN> still I can kill one with a pencil
[08:21] <aia> we have got guns here, but they are used for hunting or licensed for shooting a
[08:21] <SINN> hehe
[08:21] <mcarp> there are millions of ppl with guns here. there are much fewer shootings
[08:21] <aia> fewer than here? based on what?
[08:21] <mcarp> if you only report the ppl who get shot and not the per capita gun ownership,
[08:21] <mcarp> not fewer than there
[08:21] <mcarp> im only speaking of here
[08:21] <aia> no see
[08:22] <aia> you take the amount of people, and the amount that get shot
[08:22] <aia> not the amount that owns guns
[08:22] <aia> then you get the decisive number
[08:22] <SINN> but almost everybody owns a gun
[08:22] <SINN> hehe
[08:22] <mcarp> you have to take into account the total population density as well, which you
[08:23] <mcarp> its also like rating automobile accients per capita
[08:23] <mcarp> considering the vast number of vehicles in the US there are very few accident
[08:23] <mcarp> then a large truck accident makes big news
[08:23] <mcarp> no news is reported about the huge number of trucks NOT involved in an accide
[08:24] <mcarp> the same can be said about the guns
[08:24] <SINN> but cars are things that support economy
[08:24] <mcarp> no reports are made about ppl who own guns and dont shoot ppl
[08:24] <mcarp> irrelevent to my point sir
[08:24] <aia> what do you want the gun for then?
[08:24] <SINN> ok why do people have a gun?
[08:24] <mcarp> not all freedoms are economic support based
[08:25] <aia> penis extension?
[08:25] <mcarp> will you only allow freedoms that are economicly necessary?
[08:25] <SINN> mcarp well doesn't matter as long as its not designed for killing only
[08:25] <mcarp> i dont personally own a gun btw
[08:25] <mcarp> you could say that a buick is designed for killing
[08:25] <aia> from the information I got about usa, it is not like every gun owner does it as
[08:26] <SINN> whats a buick mcarp?
[08:26] <mcarp> disreguard the buick comment
[08:26] <mcarp> the point is what freedoms will you disallow because it is not economicly nee
[08:27] <mcarp> there is a law against killing ppl. reguardless of the types of weapons avai
[08:27] <SINN> yes theres a law against it.. but they dont prevent you from doing it
[08:28] <mcarp> even if that doesnt suffice, removing one type of weapon is not the solution.
[08:28] <mcarp> there is always a new way to kill somebody, or to break any law for that matt
[08:28] <mcarp> nothing prevents you from doing anything really
[08:28] <aia> mcarp: try to live in the nordic for a year of your life. I recommend
[08:28] <mcarp> if you want to kill joe bob, you'll do it
[08:28] <mcarp> i dont think i could stand it
[08:29] <mcarp> i have no need to move
[08:29] <SINN> mcarp yes but if you dont know how, then you start thinking about it... if you
[08:29] <aia> it's very healthy to experience different cultures
[08:29] <g|lgtmnky> yeah, go to this europe thing for instance
[08:29] <g|lgtmnky> whatever it is
[08:29] <mcarp> ah yes but going somewhere you know you cant stand, no need
[08:29] <aia> you realize a whole lot about the world, and you realize a whole lot about your
[08:30] <aia> mcarp: why do you know you can't stand it? :)
[08:30] <aia> I'm interested to hear
[08:30] <borg29> why dont you change subject?
[08:31] <mcarp> ive talked to too many nl and no guys. i wouldnt last a second in one of ye
[08:31] <aia> mcarp: culture is a lot else than politics. no need to go into that
[08:32] <Mithandir> I'm .be, you owuldn't last a second in one of our pubs if you ordered som
[08:32] <mcarp> not because i dont think my views work, but because once you disagree so prof
[08:32] <g|lgtmnky> mith :D
[08:32] <aia> mcarp: a lot of people with whom I talked with from the states, believe that eu
[08:32] <aia> mcarp: but every country in europe is very different from another. it's like co
[08:33] <aia> if I'd have more money I'd travel the world. there's nice things to learn about
[08:33] <SINN> mcarp well I agree with that
[08:33] <aia> right now I'm a poor student, though
[08:33] <SINN> but who goes to the pubs to talk about politics
[08:33] <mcarp> sure i'd visit, but i certainly dont want to live there
[08:33] <Mithandir> SINN: everybody except politicians
[08:34] <SINN> haha
[08:34] <SINN> true
[08:34] <SINN> hehe, thats funny
[08:34] <mcarp> if you have any intellectual discussion at all it will eventually turn to iss
[08:34] <aia> mcarp: if you discuss with someone who disagrees, you can get a lot of fresh us
[08:34] <mcarp> which is great, but some level of disagreement will not change
[08:34] * Mithandir has stopped discussing with americans tho
[08:34] <Mithandir> they never listen
[08:34] <Alien> usually there is little objective wrong and right
[08:34] <SINN> anyway mcarp im not disagreeing with you.
[08:35] <mcarp> ah yes you can, however, if you've had that discussion 400 times how much mor
[08:35] <mcarp> especially if you hear the same old rebuttals you've heard every time
[08:35] <aia> mcarp: well. it's one thing to discuss with idiots, one thing with people who c
[08:35] <Mithandir> mcarp: at least two more pints if he's a slow talker
[08:36] <mcarp> ah yes, but if you take a certain issue, which we have, gun control, you'll f
[08:36] <aia> I've noticed there are smart people everywhere in the world. Too bad that they
[08:36] <Alien> the cops stole my halberd. evil cops.
[08:36] <Mithandir> I'm totally against gun control. I propose we round up all guns and destr
[08:36] <Alien> yeah!
[08:37] <mcarp> then wait for the next thing to come along you want to ban
[08:37] <Mithandir> mcarp: I'd ban people, personally
[08:37] <Alien> i wanna ban humans. evil humans.
[08:37] <SINN> mcarp its a fact, guns are killing devices. giving guns to people is causing a
[08:37] <SINN> so any amerikan can say what he want,
[08:37] <SINN> but this is just true
[08:38] <mcarp> this is mostly about what level of freedom is appropriate imo
[08:39] <Mithandir> freedom... psh
[08:39] <Alien> ok. why not legalize murder, then?
[08:39] <SINN> whats the freedom of holding a killing device?
[08:39] <Mithandir> freedom is ignorance
[08:39] <SINN> yeah , "freedom"
[08:39] <Alien> banning murder is restricting your freedom
[08:39] <mcarp> because murder does not increase the overall good living standards of anyone
[08:39] <Alien> but guns do?
[08:40] <mcarp> if some guy wants to rob you and you have a gun, yes
[08:40] <SINN> mcarp amerika proved it does
[08:40] <SINN> hehe
[08:40] <Mithandir> also I think the murderer would disagree with you on that point :)
[08:40] <Alien> what if he's the one with the gun?
[08:40] <aia> Alien: then it increases his living standards ;)
[08:40] <mcarp> is 'amerika' a derissive spelling?
[08:40] <Mithandir> mcarp: if a guy wanst to rob you and you have a gun you have exactly one
[08:40] <SINN> mcarp its dutch spelling
[08:41] <mcarp> we arent speaking dutch
[08:41] <Mithandir> says you
[08:41] <SINN> precies
[08:41] <Alien> nor english, apparently. derisive.
[08:41] <SINN> zegt hij
[08:41] <SINN> haha
[08:41] <mcarp> *shrug*
[08:41] <SINN> ok mcarp add that to aia argument about just getting into different cultures.
[08:41] <g|lgtmnky> how can ameriKa be a derisive spelling?
[08:42] <mcarp> if you were duch you'd be less upset by derissive than duch
[08:42] <g|lgtmnky> cmon, its not like he wrote ameriKKKa or somethin
[08:42] <mcarp> i dunno it looks funny?
[08:42] <mcarp> lol
[08:42] <Alien> shrug. i'm not dutch?
[08:42] <mcarp> yes i agree it was a petty complaint
[08:42] <SINN> mcarp im not upset
[08:42] <SINN> if you meant me
[08:42] <SINN> why would I
[08:42] <mcarp> not a problem SINN, i just felt the need to ask
[08:42] <mcarp> so i did
[08:43] <Alien> good boy. patpat.
[08:43] <SINN> haha g|lgtmnky
[08:43] <Mithandir> it always amuses me that the people who feel most strongly about the free
[08:43] <Alien> questions are better than jumping to conclusions
[08:43] <mcarp> ah! and in this case you've found one that isnt
[08:43] <mcarp> imo the only person able to make a decision about abortion is each and every
[08:44] <Alien> what about the man faced with the issue? have they no rights?
[08:44] <mcarp> so first off, that eliminates everyone who doesnt own a uterus
[08:44] * Alien ponders slavery
[08:44] <aia> they will do it still on a cheap clinic with bigger risks if it isn't legal.. s
[08:45] <mcarp> well if a man gets pregnant then he may have a useful input
[08:45] * g|lgtmnky buys a canned uterus
[08:45] <aia> same reason why I think prostitutes should be legal
[08:45] <SINN> well thats kinda a whole different story
[08:45] <SINN> people just shouldnt fuck around
[08:45] <mcarp> yes, prostitution shoudl be legal as well as drugs
[08:45] <aia> it would be more easy to control whorehouses, whores would have rights, and gov
[08:45] <g|lgtmnky> heh, some may argue that prostitutes reduce rape rates :P
[08:45] <Alien> and if a woman gets to pay thousands of dollars every month without being all
[08:45] <mcarp> well it relates to what we've been talking abou ttho
[08:45] <aia> mcarp: depends a bit on the drugs that
[08:45] <aia> it's a big cost for society
[08:46] <mcarp> child support laws do have serious flaws aia, of that i can agree
[08:46] <Mithandir> anyway, I got to be off
[08:46] <mcarp> well, imo drug usage should be not two faced like we have it here
[08:46] <g|lgtmnky> bye mith
[08:46] <mcarp> alcohol is legal, but its ILLEGAL to drive under the influence of it
[08:46] <SINN> yeah its strange
[08:46] <SINN> dag Mithandir
[08:46] <mcarp> that is, you are responsible for your actions reguardless of level of intoxic
[08:47] <mcarp> that said we have two faced laws. alcohol is legal but pot isnt
[08:47] <SINN> it used to be an art to drink it and enjoy it without getting intoxcicated.
[08:47] <mcarp> if you are caught driving high, you should be arrested. however, smoking a jo
[08:47] <mcarp> on the other hand i dont use pot
[08:47] <Alien> except yourself, anyway.
[08:47] <aia> if alcoholics and tobacco already wouldn't be that big, and have huge companies
[08:48] <SINN> true
[08:48] <Alien> tobacco is leaning towards being illegalized, though
[08:48] <SINN> it supports economics too much hehe
[08:48] <aia> mcarp: well. you can fuck yourself up with both alcohol and pot. enough much th
[08:48] <aia> it just depends on the amounts
[08:48] * Serpens_` is now known as Serpens`
[08:48] <aia> Alien: sure does
[08:49] <mcarp> aia: you can indeed, however the 'war on drugs' costs taxpayers much more tha
[08:49] <mcarp> plus illegal drugs and actions like prostitution create a vicious crime circl
[08:49] <aia> mcarp: depends on how you look at it. it gives jobs too to police :)
[08:50] <mcarp> if both were legal, you'd find much less crime, not jsut because it was legal
[08:50] <SINN> yes true
[08:50] <SINN> but thats only because it already became a vicious circle
[08:51] <mcarp> needing jobs is not a good excuse. needing more cops is a symptom of society
[08:51] <aia> well. I don't know about the amount of cops in the US. not at all
[08:51] <SINN> nor do I
[08:51] <aia> a small amount is needed however
[08:51] <SINN> yeah and large guns
[08:51] <SINN> hehe, nah j/k
[08:52] <aia> and in smaller places here there are too few anyway
[08:52] <aia> people have time to setup illegal street races
[08:52] <aia> blocking whole roads for those
[08:52] <aia> kids can vandalize
[08:52] <SINN> hey are there any cool movies without car chasings. and gun fights?
[08:52] <mcarp> well i can tell you that no gun laws here prevent crimes from what i can tell
[08:52] <Alien> anyone can vandalize
[08:52] <SINN> im looking for some
[08:53] <mcarp> you could make cars illegal and maybe stop those races eh?
[08:53] <aia> in my opinion, police does not need to do that much, but having some police vis
[08:53] <mcarp> lets switch to prostitution for a bit
[08:53] <aia> mcarp: nah. but it isn't fun when you are going from point A to B, and notice t
[08:53] <mcarp> why is prostitution illegal?
[08:53] <SINN> its not
[08:53] <SINN> not here hehe
[08:54] <mcarp> work with me
[08:54] <Alien> because of the pimps?
[08:54] <aia> I see no reasons why it should be
[08:54] <SINN> I do
[08:54] <mcarp> ok i will spell it out
[08:54] <aia> I guess the most reasons are religious
[08:54] <mcarp> it is illegal because a small group of ppl....
[08:54] <mcarp> yes
[08:54] <mcarp> that is it
[08:54] <Alien> ban religion!
[08:54] <gravitwo> :P
[08:54] <Mithandir> mcarp: and guns are legal because a small group of ppl ...
[08:54] <mcarp> i do not consider that a valid reason to pass law
[08:54] <SINN> well what if religion is the key to a perfect system?
[08:54] * gravitwo is now known as gravitone
[08:55] <mcarp> no, guns are legal because they always have been
[08:55] <Mithandir> really ?
[08:55] <mcarp> wel not exactly
[08:55] <Mithandir> you might wanne check yoru history then bud
[08:55] <mcarp> but its closer to the reason you stated
[08:55] <Mithandir> cause the history of the world did not start in 1792 :)
[08:55] <SINN> shotgun!
[08:55] <Mithandir> (or whatever the year of the US independence is again)
[08:55] <gravitone> :P
[08:55] <aia> mcarp: would you want tanks, army helicopters with rockets etc to be legal?
[08:55] <mcarp> wait
[08:55] <mcarp> backup just a sec
[08:55] <mcarp> and study this statement
[08:55] <aia> mines
[08:56] <aia> think of placing out mines as a hobby
[08:56] <aia> that's freedom
[08:56] <mcarp> you wanted to say that guns are illegal because of a small group of ppl
[08:56] <Alien> mmm, proximity mines
[08:56] <mcarp> i dont think that is the case
[08:56] <gravitone> I want a sam site in my backyard damint
[08:56] <Mithandir> no I said they were legal because of a small group of people
[08:56] <SINN> yeah I want a submarine
[08:56] <mcarp> ok, corrected
[08:56] <Alien> i want a tank, with a rotor
[08:57] <SINN> well many inventions were not intented to end up as a weapon of mass destructi
[08:57] <aia> you could argue that you can kill reindeer with mines and hand grenades too
[08:57] <mcarp> and you might should be able to have one, but its debateable
[08:57] <aia> which would be freedom
[08:57] <Alien> not for the reindeer
[08:57] <Mithandir> I would argue you shouldn't kill reindeer :/
[08:57] <Alien> especially not in painful and splattery ways
[08:57] <mcarp> does anyone care about mass slaughter of fire ants?
[08:57] <mcarp> lol
[08:58] <Alien> i do
[08:58] <Mithandir> I do
[08:58] <Mithandir> ANd I've never mass slaughtered fire ants
[08:58] <mcarp> well i have
[08:58] <Mithandir> I've been in open warfare against some ants, tho, but they won
[08:58] <Alien> murderer!
[08:58] <mcarp> and it was quite a pleasant experience
[08:58] <Alien> not for the ants
[08:58] <mcarp> Mithandir: sorry, i won my battle ;)
[08:58] <Mithandir> see and that's exactly why you shouldn't rule whether people should be al
[08:58] <aia> socities needs some laws. it's not there to be an obstacle for 'freedom'. it's
[08:58] <Alien> it's because of people like you we need laws
[08:59] <Mithandir> like I said, freedom is ignorance. The laws are there to cater for the ig
[09:00] <aia> the best societies are those that doesn't get too extreme in any way
[09:00] <Mithandir> There's a whole class of catholics out there who believe that because ath
[09:00] <mcarp> let me remind you that i dont own a gun. ive never had a need to own one. but
[09:00] <gravitone> I killed a whole colony of ants 2 years ago
[09:01] <gravitone> piff paff got the better of them
[09:01] <gravitone> military grade bug killer
[09:01] <mcarp> well i see gun control on the same level of making pot illegal
[09:01] <Alien> and there's catholics that would go around and drown babies cause they think
[09:01] <aia> mcarp: I guess there are a lot of people who could go around with guns without
[09:01] <mcarp> Alien: that might be a bit extreme
[09:01] <Mithandir> mcarp: compare statistics of murders between countries with and without g
[09:01] <aia> mcarp: but for some people, it might not be that they need such a big issue to
[09:02] <mcarp> compare death per capita with and without gun control and see if there even i
[09:02] <Mithandir> trust me, it's not the robber having a gun that kills you, it's you also
[09:02] <mcarp> its a philosophy which makes ppl who rob ppl that is the problem
[09:02] <aia> mcarp: right on
[09:02] <Alien> yeah. capitalism.
[09:03] <mcarp> dont agree
[09:03] <Mithandir> okay, you go change society at the base level to make crime nonexistant,
[09:03] <aia> extreme capitalism and class differences combined with not enough education
[09:03] <Alien> capitalism is the epitome of selfishness
[09:04] <aia> if you go far into any political direction, it will sooner or later become an u
[09:04] <SINN> Does many Americans believe in their country?
[09:04] <SINN> whats wrong with saying "yeah well my country sucks at that part,o well"
[09:04] <g|lgtmnky> i guess 98,9%
[09:05] <Mithandir> murders per capita: US: 0.042802 per 1000 people. UK: 0.0140633 per 1000
[09:05] <mcarp> SINN: i think they do, yes. otherwise they could leave couldnt they?
[09:05] <Alien> he said deaths per capita, though
[09:05] <SINN> mcarp then they will all come to Holland yeah
[09:05] <Alien> although i doubt that's much different, at least in favour of usa
[09:05] <SINN> :p
[09:05] <Mithandir> Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1000 people
[09:06] <aia> capitalism isn't about a country no more.. it's more about the huge corporation
[09:06] <mcarp> a very small number in any case
[09:06] <aia> just look at this business. adobe bought macromedia, autodesk got max & maya, i
[09:06] <aia> do you think these huge corporations will split up and become small companies?
[09:07] <Alien> i doubt they have reason to
[09:07] <SINN> google already owns earth
[09:07] <Mithandir> mcarp: so the fact that it's three times bigger for teh US than the UK is
[09:07] <mcarp> lol
[09:07] <SINN> *sigh*
[09:07] <aia> or do you think that they will continue to grow until there are only a very few
[09:07] <Mithandir> aia: there's laws against that
[09:08] <mcarp> SINN: what is the biggest reason for death in nl?
[09:08] <aia> Mithandir: huge corporations can easily move their productions elsewhere, if la
[09:08] <Mithandir> talking to americans
[09:08] <Mithandir> aia: sure. You go tell Intel to move out of silicon valley
[09:08] <aia> Mithandir: there are many companies these days that produce big percentages of
[09:08] <aia> Mithandir: they have moved a lot of their production to China
[09:08] <Mithandir> aia: production yes
[09:09] <Mithandir> you think MS can legally take over SUN ?
[09:09] <SINN> mcarp I think its pod
[09:09] <Alien> i read that as 'take over the SUN'
[09:09] <mcarp> what is pod?
[09:09] <aia> Mithandir: perhaps not today
[09:10] <SINN> sorry pot
[09:10] <aia> Mithandir: future will tell what happens
[09:10] <Mithandir> mcarp: he means pot. Weed
[09:10] <mcarp> wow, really? pot is the #1 cause of death in nl?
[09:10] <aia> I can't see into future like that. I can just see that in every market, compani
[09:10] <SINN> mcarp yeah, when being multilingual you sometimes mix a few languages up
[09:10] * Alien was hoping for old age
[09:10] <mcarp> are you serious?
[09:10] <SINN> mcarp no hehe it was a joke
[09:10] <mcarp> *shrug*
[09:10] <gravitone> someone said pot??
[09:10] <aia> Mithandir: and I also know that in a lot of countries, the governments follow t
[09:10] <SINN> I just dont know
[09:10] <mcarp> got another?
[09:11] <Mithandir> aia: yeah but that doesn't swing too well in the EU, just ask MS :)
[09:11] <aia> Mithandir: there's been corruption already in the EU
[09:11] <Mithandir> of course
[09:11] <Alien> there's corruption everywhere. humans are inherently selfish.
[09:12] <Mithandir> but everybody is bought by somebody else so it balances out
[09:12] <aia> Mithandir: I hope they can solve it. but I can't trust EU to solve these things
[09:12] <aia> Alien: there's been *very* little corruption over here before
[09:12] <Alien> yes, because people are taught socialism and tolerance. whee.
[09:13] <Alien> still, little != zero
[09:13] <aia> no. but little is less than more
[09:13] <Alien> very insightful
[09:13] <aia> hehe
[09:13] <aia> deep
[09:13] <aia> ;)
[09:13] <Alien> :)
[09:13] <aia> Alien: but finland has been many times over listed as the least corrupted count
[09:13] <Alien> aye
[09:13] <aia> I fear it won't be that many times more
[09:13] <Alien> nice place
[09:13] <Alien> no?
[09:14] <aia> I don't think so
[09:14] <Alien> well, that's not only bad, it means other countries aren't far behind in lack
[09:15] <aia> well. I feel that the country is declining
[09:15] * Alien nods
[09:15] <aia> the social care system is great compared to a lot of other countries, I know
[09:15] <aia> but it is on a decline
[09:16] <Alien> hope they take care of it before it goes too far
[09:16] <aia> less money for education, bigger class differences, not as good social health c
[09:16] <aia> I hope too
[09:16] <aia> there would be a lot to fight for in politics. but I don't feel like I want to
[09:16] <Alien> aye, it's much the same signs in norway
[09:17] <aia> I would rather put my time in making art in any way that makes people think, or
[09:17] * Alien nods
[09:17] <aia> it's not always that much that needs to be done if you start helping people nea
[09:18] <aia> global problems are difficult. but a few persons can often do a whole lot in a
[09:18] <aia> or in a part of a city
[09:19] <mcarp> govt almost always does a poorer job of providing services than does a privat
[09:19] <aia> getting a few guys together and building a skatepark for kids can probably do a
[09:19] <Alien> not really. if people are motivated by money, sure, but not everyone is
[09:19] <mcarp> aye, but what if you get a govt together to build the same skate park? higher
[09:20] <Mithandir> if you say so
[09:20] <aia> the best is to get the kids with you
[09:20] <aia> that will probably give yourself a whole lot of fun, and the kids feel that the
[09:21] <Mithandir> uhm yes
[09:21] <Alien> and if they help build it, they get to feel useful, incorporated, blah blah
[09:21] <Mithandir> strange how it's usually adults who don't work with kids much who think l
[09:21] <aia> one of the most surprising things to me in the western world, that is how low w
[09:22] <aia> taking care of the children, the future, is in my opinion one of the most impor
[09:23] <aia> Mithandir: :)
[09:23] <aia> Mithandir: I do not know where I will end up. But I think I would sure enjoy wo
[09:23] <aia> as long as I don't get the screamy ones, hehe
[09:24] <Mithandir> ah yes
[09:24] <Mithandir> you want the other 0.1% :P
[09:25] <aia> hehe
[09:26] <aia> I have some issues with screaming animals, people and children
[09:26] <Mithandir> have you considered becoming a monk in an isolated monastery then ?
[09:26] <aia> issues with loud noises in general actually. good ears
[09:26] <aia> Mithandir: if there's nuns
[09:27] <mcarp> nope. no nuns allowed and you arent allowed to trade any chickens for cows ei
[09:27] <aia> that's on the paper
[09:28] <aia> archeologists have several times found dead babies in graves at monasteries
[09:28] <aia> indicating that they haven't always been that faithful to their beliefs
[09:29] <mcarp> whats new there?
[09:29] <Alien> maybe they used them for food
[09:29] <mcarp> religions are just as capable of corruption as govts
[09:29] <aia> mcarp: nothing. else than that you can get relief for your urges at a monastery
[09:29] <Alien> or that was the only virgins they could find to sacrifice
[09:29] <gravitone> the communists in china used babies to fertilize their fields
[09:30] <gravitone> or so berlusconi said
[09:30] <aia> hehe
[09:30] <gravitone> so it must be true
[09:30] <aia> he says a lot
[09:31] <borg29> hehe
[09:31] <borg29> I was not here for 30 mins
[09:31] <borg29> and you still talk about politics
[09:31] <borg29> lol
[09:31] <mcarp> yeah i was going to say you didnt miss anything
[09:32] <aia> like there's much to miss on irc ;)
[09:32] <mcarp> was GOING to but i ended up in (b)ottom view mode when i started to type bor(
[09:32] <Cpt|Kirk> So what is the current animation, compositing and particle effects package
[09:32] <Cpt|Kirk> Last time I did stuff was 96 - 00
[09:32] <Cpt|Kirk> So I need to get an update.
[09:32] <borg29> hehe
[09:33] <borg29> dont tell me last time you used windows it was win95
[09:33] <borg29> dicreet bougth alias just in case you were using maya
[09:34] <borg29> :)
[09:34] <aia> Cpt|Kirk: I guess it's still the same ones. 3dsmax, maya, softimage xsi, lightw
[09:34] <aia> 3dsmax still the big one
[09:35] <aia> Cpt|Kirk: you need a mac though for that, but apple shake seems to be quite a p
[09:46] * g|lgtmnky is now known as g|s
[09:50] <borg29> see ya guys, I have to assimilate book for my studies, bye
[10:18] <WotGorila> aloha
[10:19] <SINN> aloha
[10:20] <WotGorila> Hiya SINN
[10:26] <WotGorila> anything exciting happening?
[10:26] <SINN> yes
[10:28] <SINN> we had a great discussion here about how giving every individual acces to any
[10:29] <Shigawire> kewl
[10:29] <Shigawire> then I want the shigawire
[10:29] <Shigawire> you people can have the antimatter bombs and what-not, at least I'll go a
[10:30] <g|s> hehe
[10:30] <SINN> I wasnt talking about killing
[10:30] <SINN> Why people think of killing when I talk about weapons? :S
[10:31] <SINN> its so strange
[10:31] <Shigawire> not everybody think the way you do
[10:31] <SINN> hehe
[10:31] <Shigawire> some people, like myself, are complete assholes
[10:31] <g|s> hehe
[10:31] <g|s> me too, shigs
[10:32] <SINN> but hey thats because you were abused when you were still a child
[10:32] <Shigawire> kewl
[10:32] <SINN> right?
[10:32] <Shigawire> hehe
[10:32] <g|s> hes still abused
[10:32] <SINN> hehe
[10:32] <Shigawire> ''o>
[10:32] <SINN> ah its ok
[10:32] <SINN> I would abuse my kids too ;)
[10:32] <Shigawire> kewl
[10:33] <Shigawire> ah, a new version of Mount & Blade
[10:33] <g|s> i'd want a strong <0.001mm monofilament string and span it across streets at
[10:33] <g|s> that'd be cool
[10:34] <Shigawire> hehe
[10:34] <g|s> walk->snip->lay down and bleed
[10:34] <Shigawire> tighten a string of shigawire like that.. would cut people's legs off
[10:34] <Shigawire> especially in a marathon, when they jog
[10:35] <SINN> g|s sounds like a new title of some death metal song
[10:35] <Shigawire> maybe not so efficient if they walk slowly
[10:35] <Shigawire> hehe death metal
[10:35] <g|s> well, a string this fine, spanning a street at the strength of a piano string
[10:36] <WotGorila> Better yet, Land another ship on an asteroid with a propulsion system and
[10:36] <WotGorila> ;)
[10:36] <g|s> i think it would *at least* cause severe injury ;)
[10:36] <Shigawire> yeap
[10:36] <g|s> it'd be like walking into a razor blade
[10:37] <Shigawire> did you guys read about the nanocar they made?
[10:37] <g|s> if not worse
[10:37] <Shigawire> looks crazy
[10:37] <g|s> yep
[10:37] <Shigawire> heh
[10:37] <g|s> ugly car.
[10:37] <Shigawire> :p
[10:37] <SINN> Shigawire yea
[10:37] <WotGorila> use a little math to make sure the asteroid will only take out your inten
[10:37] <g|s> i wouldnt buy it
[10:37] <Shigawire> looks like something I made in 3dstudio dos.. compose a lot of spheres in
[10:37] <Shigawire> lol
[10:37] <Shigawire> and it only drove by having photons hit its wheels
[10:37] <Shigawire> like a windmill
[10:37] <SINN> Shigawire yeah it looks pathetic, but I guess they are better at science than
[10:38] <Shigawire> but it's still awesome
[10:38] <g|s> you'd hope so
[10:38] <Shigawire> considering its size
[10:38] <Shigawire> wheels so small they can move by being lit by photons
[10:38] <WotGorila> if they wanted people to drive electric cars, they would make them look l
[10:38] <Shigawire> lol
[10:39] <Shigawire> too much clout from the petroleum industry
[10:39] <Shigawire> but now that Chile is becoming the first country in the world tearing the
[10:39] <g|s> i'd like to have a sword and the blade coated with "FUCK YOU" all over, formed
[10:39] <Shigawire> also Austria
[10:39] <g|s> now THAT'd be cool
[10:40] <WotGorila> The whole idea that Oil is made from Fossils is a big myth and lie the oi
[10:40] <Shigawire> gs? huh? I didnt understand :)
[10:40] <g|s> well, you can move single atoms today
[10:40] <WotGorila> run out *
[10:40] <Shigawire> WotGorila, you are speaking of the peak oil concept, ye?
[10:41] <WotGorila> yeah
[10:42] <Shigawire> the earth is composed of three spheres of influence: Abiotic sphere (the
[10:43] <WotGorila> http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Theory/SustainableOil/
[10:43] <Shigawire> iron deposits are usually deposited by dead living processes who have die
[10:43] <Shigawire> same happens with hydrocarbons into oil
[10:44] <g|s> oil made of fossils a big myth, wot? :P haha
[10:45] <Shigawire> I've read of the abiotic oil concept, but I have yet to be convinced.
[10:45] <Shigawire> It's this information-war being waged between Mike Ruppert's crowd and th
[10:45] <Shigawire> I don't believe either side much
[10:46] <Shigawire> peak oil, mostly because technology will always reach more reservoirs, an
[10:46] <WotGorila> yeah, CIA was investigating it but that stopped
[10:46] <WotGorila> http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html
[10:47] <g|s> i'm going to build me a car that runs on wood logs. worked once, will work agai
[10:47] <WotGorila> They already found Methane on other planets, only a matter of time before
[10:47] <WotGorila> will be hard to explain that away
[10:47] <WotGorila> Space oil they will call it
[10:47] <WotGorila> heh
[10:47] <Shigawire> I'm not convinced
[10:47] <Shigawire> but it will be an interesting time
[10:48] <g|s> or make my car run on dead human bodies that get sucked in at the front and the
[10:48] <WotGorila> Gas still is cheaper than bottled water
[10:48] <g|s> now that'd be a cool car
[10:48] <Shigawire> I prefer nuclear power
[10:49] <g|s> we should create a whole industry creating energy by incinerating dead bodies
[10:49] <g|s> we have plenty of em
[10:49] <Shigawire> if implemented properly, nuclear power is the best method..
[10:49] <Shigawire> pebblebed reactors
[10:49] <WotGorila> They used to use Mummies in the Steam Train Furnaces in Eygpyt
[10:49] <Shigawire> if they get the prototype working
[10:50] <WotGorila> 20 miles per Mummy
[10:50] <g|s> lol
[10:50] <WotGorila> heh
[10:50] <Shigawire> steam train furnaces in egypt? o_O
[10:50] <g|s> wtg
[10:50] <WotGorila> steam engines
[10:50] <SINN> for what?
[10:50] <WotGorila> Trains
[10:50] <SINN> what trains?
[10:51] <WotGorila> back in the late 1800s early 1900s
[10:51] <Shigawire> in Mad Max they use pig-fart
[10:51] <Shigawire> methane
[10:51] <g|s> no energy for the poor moslems
[10:52] <SINN> moslems?
[10:52] <WotGorila> Paid the most I ever have for gas yesterday
[10:52] <g|s> i'll just go and sleep in my cryotank and wait for 10000AD
[10:53] <SINN> and then you wake up and you find yourself in the mid space
[10:53] <g|s> or surrounded by sardaukar troopers
[10:54] <SINN> hehe
[10:54] <WotGorila> and everyone speaks spanish
[10:54] <g|s> omfg
[10:54] <g|s> i'd commit suicide instantly
[10:54] <SINN> hehe
[10:54] <g|s> or even worse: french
[10:54] <g|s> yuck
[10:54] <SINN> well I could live with spanish
[10:55] <SINN> with all the hermosa senoritas
[10:55] <g|s> heh, mexico will take over the US
[10:55] <SINN> but what house you would be part of G|S ?
[10:55] <g|s> and then the rest of the world
[10:56] <g|s> dunno
[10:56] <g|s> doesnt matter as long as i can kill someone
[10:56] <SINN> sting is harkonnen
[10:56] <SINN> seriously.. mad
[10:56] <SINN> Sting in a movie
[10:56] <Shigawire> Feyd-Rautha
[10:56] <WotGorila> crap, I gotta go spend like $150 on flea shit for the animals
[10:56] <SINN> what surprises me is that patrick steward was already bald
[10:57] <Shigawire> lol
[10:57] <g|s> took too long to get you into talking, shiga ;) expected you to jump on in righ
[10:57] <WotGorila> so I don't get the black Plague
[10:57] <Shigawire> I'd be with Count Fenring's merry band of smugglers..
[10:57] <WotGorila> heh
[10:57] <Shigawire> or Atreides :p
[10:57] <SINN> yeah ,using spice all day
[10:58] <g|s> i already do
[10:58] <SINN> would be high 24/7
[10:58] <g|s> i sniff curry
[10:58] <WotGorila> Black Plague is back again, I should invest in Frontline tick meds for do
[10:58] <Shigawire> don't want to be with the Harkonnen ... no heartplug or abusive narcotics
[10:58] <SINN> well I Dont want bald female either.
[10:59] <Shigawire> hmm
[10:59] <SINN> I guess fremen would still be the best, riding sum worms evry now n then
[10:59] <Cpt|Kirk> Do you know that you can buy an SGI OCTANE for about $300
[10:59] <Shigawire> yeah.. and constantly living on the edge of starvation? nah
[11:00] <SINN> Shigawire yeah, but sandworms are cool
[11:00] <Shigawire> true dat
[11:00] <Shigawire> shai'hulud
[11:00] <Cpt|Kirk> I am thinking about buying a $300 SGI Octane and learning Softimage on it
[11:00] <Shigawire> Cpt|Kirk good for you ''o)
[11:00] <Cpt|Kirk> What do you think?
[11:01] <Shigawire> not at all
[11:02] <Shigawire> as in, I don't think at all.
[11:03] <Shigawire> gotta watch some Bullshit
[11:05] <Cpt|Kirk> Which is better IYO
[11:05] <Cpt|Kirk> Softimage or Maya
[11:08] <WotGorila> I like Peanut M&M's better than plain
[11:08] <Studios3> lol
[11:09] <Studios3> never messed around with SoftImage
[11:09] <doublex> argggggrarrgg
[11:11] <Cpt|Kirk> I use to use 3DSMAX
[11:11] <Cpt|Kirk> But I just might learn Softimage instead
[11:11] <Studios3> why?
[11:11] <Studios3> if you know 3dsmax?
[11:11] <Cpt|Kirk> Because Softimage seems to have produced better results
[11:12] <Tranq|Wrk> meh
[11:12] <Studios3> the results come from the person behind the program i thought
[11:12] <Cpt|Kirk> I used to think that too
[11:12] <Tranq|Wrk> its not the software its the artist
[11:12] <Studios3> yeah
[11:12] <Cpt|Kirk> But 3DSMAX is very much a CAD type package while Softimage was dedicated f
[11:12] <WotGorila> hmmm I always have a hard time coming up with my own DVD covers
[11:12] <Studios3> the primitives are better on Softimage lol
[11:12] <Tranq|Wrk> the only time you can start to compare programs is maybe w/ rendering
[11:13] <Cpt|Kirk> WotGorila - mspaint has the best dimensions for printing.
[11:13] <WotGorila> Sitting here staring at a blank DVD template
[11:13] <WotGorila> heh
[11:13] <Studios3> mspaint?
[11:13] <Cpt|Kirk> What sort of DVD?
[11:13] <Cpt|Kirk> yeah MS Paint
[11:13] <Studios3> HAHAHAHAH!
[11:13] <Studios3> why?
[11:13] <Cpt|Kirk> It just does
[11:13] <Cpt|Kirk> it beats me why
[11:14] <Cpt|Kirk> I can print perfect DVD covers with MS Paint. Better than PSP and PS
[11:16] <WotGorila> Archaeology DVD about old shipwrecks
[11:17] <WotGorila> Wooden Bones
[11:17] <doublex> skull n crossbones on a black flag? ;)
[11:18] <WotGorila> playing around with making a skeleton underwater with his ribcage morphin
[11:19] * ardworx is now known as ardfress
[11:19] <WotGorila> but it looked sorta hokey so I scraped that idea
[11:19] <WotGorila> It's more of an educational DVD
[11:21] <Studios3> can you unwrap just the front of a model and texture that if the back is n
[11:21] <Studios3> its like the inside of a building
[11:22] <Tranq|Wrk> if its not going to be seen why not delete the polys
[11:22] <Studios3> true lol
[11:22] <Tranq|Wrk> then theres nothing to avoid mapping hehe
[11:22] <Studios3> yep
[11:26] <Tranq|Wrk> another way of course would be to just add a mesh select or edit poly mod
[11:30] * g|s is now known as g|render
[13:14] <WotGorila> Hiya Mad
[13:14] <WotGorila> sorry I didn't answer your question before, fell asleep at the computer
[13:19] <SINN> hehe
[13:19] <SINN> addict
[13:19] * SINN hides
[13:22] <WotGorila> heh
[13:22] <WotGorila> yeah, I'm killing myself lately
[13:23] <WotGorila> it's either tons of work all at once or no work for weeks sometimes
[13:26] <mcarp> WotGorila: did you wake up to the keyboard going beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[13:34] <WotGorila> heh, no, not this time
[13:35] <SINN> as if it were made for that
[13:36] <_3demon> hum i missed it wacha talking about
[13:36] <SINN> about falling in sleep onto your keyboard
[13:36] <SINN> then it will start beeping
[13:36] <SINN> so you will wake up again
[13:36] <SINN> smart eh ;)
[13:38] <_3demon> ha or u end up skrewing up ur render because of it
[13:44] <Tranq|Wrk> i remember years ago, i had an animation to render out on my home pc, was
[13:45] <mcarp> so you want us to know that you were a dunce back then?
[13:45] <Tranq|Wrk> oh i still am
[13:45] <mcarp> what is the projection to now?
[13:45] <mcarp> lol
[13:45] <Tranq|Wrk> i just make different mistakes instead of the same one
[13:45] <mcarp> i hear ya tho
[13:45] <mcarp> i hate when that happens
[13:45] <Tranq|Wrk> fak im done w/ work , talk to yas l8r
[13:45] <mcarp> did it bug you all weekend whether you'd set it right?
[14:00] * nitelite is now known as NiteLite
[14:01] <Cpt|Kirk> I think I am going to learn XSI
[14:03] * notfakie2 is now known as notfakie
[14:03] <Cpt|Kirk> So do all 3D people use this channel or another?
[14:04] <mcarp> there are 1000s upon 1000s of 3d artists. there are about 100 ppl in here
[14:04] <Images> ALL of them use this one
[14:05] <mcarp> so i would say, no, they dont
[14:05] <Images> they're just not all around right now
[14:05] <mcarp> or you can use Images's answer. that works too
[14:06] <SINN> if they chat on #3dsmax efnet, then they chat here
[14:06] <SINN> I think
[14:06] <mcarp> good move
[14:06] <Cpt|Kirk> Is there any general 3D channel
[14:07] <Images> #general
[14:07] <SINN> Cpt|Kirk lots of people are here
[14:07] <Cpt|Kirk> yeah here I guess
[14:19] <SINN> whats wrong with this channel?
[14:19] <madkarma> this is the general channel
[14:19] <doublex> its quiet
[14:19] <madkarma> i dont use 3dsmax
[14:19] <doublex> considering there are so many people here
[14:19] <Cpt|Kirk> yeah I think it is now that I remember it
[14:19] <Cpt|Kirk> amigo
[14:20] <Cpt|Kirk> oh yeah
[14:20] <Cpt|Kirk> I use to be here in 97
[14:20] <Cpt|Kirk> My nick was ---
[14:20] <Cpt|Kirk> strawdog
[14:20] <SINN> !seen strawdog
[14:20] <mrHelpman> SINN, I don't remember seeing strawdog.
[14:20] <SINN> its a lie
[14:20] <madkarma> try again
[14:20] <Cpt|Kirk> !seen Strawdog
[14:20] <mrHelpman> Cpt|Kirk, I don't remember seeing strawdog.
[14:21] <madkarma> try straydog :P
[14:21] <Cpt|Kirk> maybe not sd
[14:21] <Cpt|Kirk> let me see
[14:21] <Images> soooo..i think i'm registering to be on Jeopardy!
[14:21] <Cpt|Kirk> !seen strawdog420
[14:21] <Cpt|Kirk> !seen Sniper-x
[14:21] <mrHelpman> Cpt|Kirk, I don't remember seeing sniper-x.
[14:21] <madkarma> i think you got this channel mixed up with 3dsmex
[14:21] <mrHelpman> ah now I remember, yeah that guy used to be here in 97
[14:21] <Cpt|Kirk> No Amigo is here
[14:22] <Cpt|Kirk> I remember that
[14:22] <Dr_Rambo> beam me up scotty!
[14:22] <Dr_Rambo> and my pants too thanks
[14:22] <Cpt|Kirk> helpman u remember strawdog?
[14:22] <mrHelpman> yes
[14:22] <Cpt|Kirk> I used to do walkthroughs of CAD pharmaceutical plants in 3dsmax
[14:23] <Cpt|Kirk> I was also a vid editor
[14:23] <Cpt|Kirk> into film
[14:23] <Dr_Rambo> and avid startrek fan I see
[14:24] <doublex> <--confused
[14:24] <doublex> mrHelpman = bot?
[14:24] <mrHelpman> Cpt|Kirk, I don't remember seeing sniper-x.
[14:24] <Cpt|Kirk> I watching all the Seasons again
[14:24] <Cpt|Kirk> Sniper-X was my CS name
[14:24] <Cpt|Kirk> back in the days of CS beta 3
[14:24] <mrHelpman> Cpt|Kirk, I don't remember your CS name.
[14:24] <SINN> stop messing with the bot Cpt|Kirk
[14:25] <Cpt|Kirk> I was also know as.
[14:25] <Cpt|Kirk> .. insanezookeeper
[14:25] <madkarma> AKA leelomultipass
[14:26] <SINN> I never played cs
[14:26] <SINN> think the game sucks
[14:26] <madkarma> photoshop CS
[14:26] <Cpt|Kirk> It does because there are too many hackers
[14:26] <SINN> and im nog leet enough for it
[14:26] <Cpt|Kirk> I am 29
[14:26] <Cpt|Kirk> I going to play some Oblivion now
[14:26] <Cpt|Kirk> bbl
[14:26] <SINN> ok
[14:26] <Cpt|Kirk> And great seeing you'll again
[14:27] <SINN> keep us updated! :)
[14:27] <SINN> cheerio!
[14:27] <Cpt|Kirk> Oh by the way
[14:27] <SINN> dont say it
[14:27] <SINN> dont say "I love you all"
[14:27] <Cpt|Kirk> Back in 1997 I nearly spent 20K on SGI Octane
[14:27] <SINN> pfew
[14:27] <Cpt|Kirk> I see it on ebay now for £299
[14:27] <Cpt|Kirk> bbl
[14:27] <madkarma> dont you feel silly now
[14:27] <Cpt|Kirk> i fell lucky
[14:28] <Cpt|Kirk> hehehe
[14:28] <Cpt|Kirk> bbl
[14:28] <SINN> I need a real skull
[14:28] <madkarma> a real one
[14:28] <SINN> just to put on my desk
[14:28] <SINN> with a candle on it :)
[14:28] <madkarma> hehehe
[14:29] <madkarma> i know where to find one
[14:29] <SINN> yeah me too
[14:29] <SINN> graveyard
[14:29] <madkarma> i mean its not like you are realy using it
[14:29] <SINN> im not going to scalp out my own skull
[14:30] <SINN> or a rubber skull would to
[14:30] <SINN> do
[14:30] <SINN> one you can throw at people
[14:30] <SINN> hehe
[14:30] <SINN> ok I shut up...
[14:31] <mcarp> well. since yer a modeler. take your skill into real world materials and mak
[14:32] <SINN> yeah and what to use as a reference
[14:32] <madkarma> photo's like always
[14:32] <SINN> I want a real reference
[14:32] <mcarp> sure
[14:32] <mcarp> a real reference?
[14:32] <mcarp> a photo is real
[14:32] <SINN> yes
[14:32] <SINN> no its not
[14:32] <mcarp> well, shave yer head
[14:33] <mcarp> and look in the mirror
[14:33] <SINN> well
[14:33] <SINN> I have a better idea
[14:33] <SINN> nearby theres a graveyard
[14:33] <SINN> I think I just get a shovel and dig it up myself
[14:34] <doublex> SINN you're crazy
[14:34] <mcarp> i should have taken you seriously when you said you'd shut up
[14:34] <SINN> *gone digging
[14:34] <madkarma> have fun SINN
[14:34] <SINN> I sure will :D
[14:35] <madkarma> dont forget to wipe your feet when you come back in
[14:35] <SINN> hehe
[14:36] <AquaCade> How do we crop the timeline in AE ? Anyone use AE here?
[14:42] <AquaCade> oh cmon, no one here uses AE?
[14:42] <madkarma> no me
[14:42] <madkarma> but i suck big time
[14:42] <madkarma> im the channel looser
[14:42] <AquaCade> you dont know how to specify the exporting frames?
[14:42] <Shigawire> Adobe After Effects?
[14:42] <AquaCade> yea
[14:42] <Shigawire> only used it a few times
[14:42] <AquaCade> I'm just trying to either crop the timeline, or specify the exported frame
[14:43] <SINN> yeah AquaCade
[14:43] <SINN> I know what you mean
[14:43] <SINN> so you mean crop the whole project?
[14:43] <AquaCade> yea
[14:44] <SINN> so what if you put this project in to another projecte, and crop it as a whole
[14:44] <SINN> or am I mixing up apps
[14:44] <AquaCade> i dont even know how to crop a layers timeline
[14:44] <AquaCade> I guess, i'm missing the whole 'slice' tool
[14:44] <AquaCade> similar to premier
[14:45] <SINN> you have a project, and in that project you have stuff
[14:45] <SINN> now if you just import this project into a new project and scale it.
[14:45] <SINN> actually, I havent used AE for years
[14:45] <SINN> if I See it I think I can tell you, but not like this.
[14:46] <AquaCade> so if i bring it in an empty project, itll give me a scale option?
[14:47] <SINN> I think you can always just scale it
[14:47] <SINN> with a tool
[14:47] <SINN> just by getting to the end of the block and pull it back
[14:47] <AquaCade> I just absoloutly am as fresh as it gets with AE
[14:47] <AquaCade> well, i dont want to time scale it. I need to crop about 200 frames
[14:48] <SINN> eh what you mean?
[14:48] <AquaCade> I just want to cut off the last 200 frames of video
[14:48] <AquaCade> and export as QT
[14:49] <SINN> before you start to render
[14:49] <SINN> you have your preferences right
[14:49] * NiteLite is now known as nitelite
[14:49] * nitelite is now known as NiteLite
[14:49] <AquaCade> I dont see any frame specificiation on the pref
[14:50] <SINN> otherwise just to make it easy, start a new project with 200 frames less than
[14:50] <SINN> isnt there an end marker there too?
[14:50] <AquaCade> I was lookin for that
[14:50] <AquaCade> Where the hell is the end marker tool thing
[14:50] <AquaCade> I'm so lost in here
[14:51] <SINN> hmm sucks
[14:51] <SINN> just keep looking
[14:51] <AquaCade> Is there one though? I'll look it up
[14:51] <mcarp> look on the lower right for an icon with a box and a clock icon
[14:51] * Pyroscrol is now known as John577
[14:51] <mcarp> there is also a render to-from setting on the render pop-up
[14:52] <AquaCade> in AE ?
[14:52] <mcarp> or it could be starting frame, number of frames
[14:52] <AquaCade> I see no clock icon
[14:52] <mcarp> ah well, sorry
[14:52] <mcarp> my mistake
[14:52] <AquaCade> ?
[14:53] <mcarp> my mistake that i was thinking about the default 3dsmax render settings
[14:53] <AquaCade> oh :)
[14:53] <doublex> .
[14:53] <doublex> [22:21] <madkarma> i thin
[14:54] <doublex> god knows why that was in my clipboard
[14:54] <SINN> im not god
[14:54] <SINN> but I do know what it was
[14:54] <SINN> why
[14:56] <doublex> you're a nutcase :)
[14:56] <SINN> why ?
[14:56] <SINN> you just selected some text in IRC
[14:56] <SINN> thats it
[14:56] <doublex> lol
[14:56] <doublex> k
[14:57] <doublex> can anyone offer any advice on how to reduduce the number of polys around t
[14:58] <doublex> reduce*
[14:58] * g|render is now known as g|s
[14:58] <SINN> why reduce
[14:58] <doublex> because its too many to work with
[14:58] <doublex> i can't get a smooth shape with that many
[14:58] <SINN> aah wanker
[14:58] <SINN> hehe
[14:58] <doublex> hm
[14:59] <SINN> keep tweaking till you have rsi
[14:59] <SINN> thats how it goes
[14:59] <doublex> lol
[14:59] <SINN> seriously
[14:59] <mcarp> practice makes perfect
[14:59] <doublex> ive been tweaking for hours at this sodding jaw
[14:59] <SINN> ok just use the relax brush then
[14:59] <mcarp> doublex: just think about how it'll be after you've made 1000 jaws
[14:59] <doublex> im not gonna make 1000 jaws lol
[15:00] <doublex> relax brush?
[15:00] <doublex> im using 3ds max
[15:00] <SINN> in edirable poly
[15:00] <SINN> theres a paint deformation rollout
[15:00] <SINN> in there you find "relax" which triggers some sort of brush
[15:00] <doublex> no?
[15:00] <SINN> with that you can relax your mesh that you have selected at that moment
[15:00] <doublex> 3ds max 6?
[15:00] <SINN> y....
[15:00] <SINN> dunno
[15:00] <doublex> lol
[15:00] <doublex> i can't see it
[15:01] <doublex> that would be a useful feature
[15:01] <doublex> shame they didn't include it with earlier versions :(
[15:01] <SINN> well, the euhm use the relax modifier a bit
[15:01] <doublex> ahh there is a relax modifier
[15:01] <doublex> never used that one before..
[15:02] <doublex> ahhh
[15:02] * ardfress is now known as ard|rende
[15:02] <doublex> i love that modifier!
[15:02] * ard|rende is now known as ardrender
[15:02] <SINN> yeah it sucks kinda for this, but
[15:02] <SINN> it can work out
[15:02] <doublex> it works really well
[15:02] <doublex> :D
[15:02] <SINN> if you just dont wont to move 20 vertices
[15:03] <doublex> yeah
[15:03] <doublex> thanks!
[15:03] <doublex> i sense alot of relax, collapse to poly happening :)
[15:04] <mcarp> lol, you know i went 2 years whithout knowing the edge turn tool existed lol
[15:05] <doublex> um
[15:05] <doublex> edge turn.......?
[15:06] <mcarp> dont need it in poly, but i use editable mesh mostly so it comes in handy to
[15:06] <mcarp> its right next to the divide button
[15:06] <doublex> ahh i see
[15:08] <doublex> but man this relax modifier helps so much
[15:10] <TranQui|> mcarp hehe i know what ya mean
[15:11] <mcarp> TranQui|: yeah you realize there are buttons you've never pressed. heh
[15:12] <doublex> i know what you mean
[15:12] <doublex> i went for a year before i realised my mouse had buttons on it
[15:14] <mcarp> dude. now yer freakin' me out
[15:14] <TranQui|> haha
[15:19] <art|sanFX> m33p m33p
[15:20] <art|sanFX> ?
[15:20] <doublex> hello :)
[15:20] <art|sanFX> zitio
[15:20] <art|sanFX> why u msg me that ?
[15:20] <doublex> yeh i got the same
[15:20] <art|sanFX> hello doublex
[15:21] <doublex> dana and jane stripping...
[15:21] <art|sanFX> he just join and then msg ppl
[15:21] <art|sanFX> yep
[15:21] * doublex slaps zitio
[15:21] <doublex> anyway
[15:21] <doublex> noob question: whats the difference between an editable mesh and an editabl
[15:22] <art|sanFX> thats a good question :)
[15:22] <mcarp> in essence poly is composed of quads not triangles, that is you cant work bel
[15:22] <doublex> hmm
[15:22] <doublex> ok
[15:23] <mcarp> there are some tools on poly that dont exist on mesh
[15:23] <doublex> the thing is im working with an editable poly, but after applying a relax m
[15:23] <doublex> but there isn't and 'edit poly' modifier
[15:23] <doublex> only edit mesh
[15:23] <mcarp> there are some nerm/nerb like functions that dont work on tris
[15:24] <mcarp> if you have an editable poly, it is as if you had applied an edit poly modifi
[15:24] <doublex> there is no edit poly modifier
[15:24] <mcarp> only modifiers that apply are avaiable
[15:25] <mcarp> so if you have an object that is already an editable poly, that modifier is u
[15:25] <mcarp> make a box primative. then go looking for the mod
[15:25] <doublex> hmm ok
[15:25] <doublex> but whaddya think i should do in my situation
[15:26] <doublex> i wanna use the relax modifier on only certain parts of my mesh, which i kn
[15:26] <doublex> but then ive gotto collapse the stack each time
[15:26] <doublex> however after each collapse ive gotto go and add a symmetry then meshsmooth
[15:26] <doublex> and takes a long time :(
[15:27] <mcarp> someone else may have a suggestion, i have none sorry
[15:27] <doublex> k np thanks anyway
[15:32] <olly2> hi guys. Olly. sorry haven't been in for a while
[15:32] <mcarp> well dont let it happen again
[15:32] <olly2> ok
[15:32] <olly2> the truth is I wanted to test something and I thought of your guys because yo
[15:33] <olly2> a site I go to seems to be down, and I wondered if anyone would mind checking
[15:33] <olly2> http://www.freedating.co.uk
[15:34] <olly2> anyone?
[15:35] <mcarp> you know thats a good ploy to devolope web traffic
[15:35] <olly2> lol, yeah right
[15:35] <olly2> really its no ploy
[15:35] <art|sanFX> its not down
[15:35] <olly2> I'm a reg here, well have been for years
[15:35] <olly2> and I'm looking for a woman!!!
[15:36] <olly2> I use that site alot and its down for me
[15:36] <art|sanFX> it seems the web didn work correct
[15:36] <art|sanFX> there comming out with some php error
[15:36] <olly2> I get warnings
[15:36] <olly2> php warnings
[15:36] <art|sanFX> yep
[15:36] <olly2> yeah. you know what I think it is - they're getting really popular because t
[15:37] <olly2> as opposed to yahoo and match.com etc
[15:37] <olly2> I think its the way forward for these dating sites
[15:37] <art|sanFX> looks like some permission error
[15:37] <olly2> ah
[15:38] <NiteLite> file system problem with the server, yeah
[15:38] <art|sanFX> yep
[15:38] <NiteLite> so it cant store sessions
[15:38] <olly2> well I hope its fixed soon because I want to gets me a woman
[15:38] <art|sanFX> :)
[15:39] <art|sanFX> olly2 just send a mail to the admin
[15:39] <olly2> really?
[15:39] <art|sanFX> yep why not
[15:39] <art|sanFX> warning him about this error
[15:39] <NiteLite> they prolly havent fixed it cause they havent noticed it yet
[15:39] <NiteLite> at least thats how it is with me sometimes
[15:39] <olly2> well...this kind of thing has happened a few times, but if I click refresh it
[15:40] <olly2> ok I'll send
[15:40] <NiteLite> they should have written their own error handler though, so they would be
[15:40] <art|sanFX> :)
[15:40] <olly2> no email contact in whois info
[15:41] <Gray_Fox0> hi all
[15:41] <NiteLite> Under FAQ there is a:
[15:41] <art|sanFX> try admin@freedating.co.uk
[15:41] <NiteLite> I want to change my sex and/or sexuality
[15:41] <NiteLite> Click here, or login, and click Options
[15:42] <NiteLite> I wonder if that is something they usually get requests for ...
[15:42] <art|sanFX> try info to
[15:42] <art|sanFX> info@freedating.co.uk
[15:43] <art|sanFX> or maybe that one Free Dating @ FreeDating.co.uk
[15:44] <olly2> Subject: "server down / php error / please fix :)" content "hurry I want to
[15:44] <olly2> thats what I sent
[15:45] <art|sanFX> hahaha
[15:59] <olly2> oh well thanks for your help
[16:04] <WotGorila> aloha
[16:10] <WotGorila> crap, hate when Max decides to take 10 minutes to respond on simple stuff
[16:14] <mcarp> material handling usually in my case wot.
[16:15] <mcarp> a bit map that disappears can cause load/save times to increase to several mi
[16:15] <mcarp> once the bitmap is replaced, bewm, insta-load
[17:07] <WotGorila> yeah, sometimes I think it's just my machines doing stuff in the backgrou
[17:07] <WotGorila> who knows
[17:08] <WotGorila> locks up, just gives me time to go get a coffee
[17:08] <WotGorila> actually beer tonight
[17:09] <WotGorila> heh, new study shows Chocolate and beer in moderation make men live longe
[17:09] <WotGorila> See....God is a Man
[17:09] <WotGorila> It just makes women fat and drunk
[17:12] <mcarp> sorry am an athiest, plus im 60lbs overweight
[17:23] <WotGorila> heh
[18:07] <WotGorila> heh, I got kicked from Politics for racism for saying that crossing the b
[18:07] <WotGorila> lol
[18:07] <WotGorila> but I guess College Professors telling people to "kill the Gringo" is per
[18:08] <WotGorila> heh
[18:08] <NiteLite> well, isnt it illegal ?
[18:09] <NiteLite> didnt you just point out the obvious ?
[18:10] <WotGorila> LOL, that's not allowed anymore
[18:10] <WotGorila> http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
[18:10] <WotGorila> LOL
[18:10] <WotGorila> I love the signs
[18:11] <WotGorila> Uh... Mexicans are now saying they don't have any spanish in them now?
[18:12] <WotGorila> I love the bring back the borders of 1492..... ok We;ll send spain to kic
[18:15] <WotGorila> LOL mexicans even protesting dreamworks
[18:15] <WotGorila> http://www.mexica-movement.org/timexihcah/SPIELBERGPAGEtext.htm
[18:15] <WotGorila> LOL
[18:16] <WotGorila> 1) Stop the distribution of this film. Our children will suffer untold h
[18:16] <WotGorila> 2) Destroy this film. It will haunt you the rest of your life, or leave y
[18:16] <WotGorila> We PROPOSE that you make amends by:
[18:16] <WotGorila> 1) Do a commercial television mini-series (along the lines of ROOTS) that
[18:17] <WotGorila> heh, I should do a documentary about how they used to murder people and t
[18:17] <WotGorila> heh
[18:18] <NiteLite> hahaha
[18:18] <NiteLite> thats awesome
[18:18] <NiteLite> gotta love those Indigenous Anahuac's
[18:19] <WotGorila> His hands and legs were held by minor priests, while the main priest woul
[18:19] <NiteLite> lol
[18:19] <NiteLite> how nice :D
[18:20] <WotGorila> heh, there's a heritage to be proud of
[18:20] <WotGorila> LOL
[18:22] <WotGorila> maybe they can bring that make back
[18:22] <WotGorila> hmmm but aren't Most Mexicans Catholic now?
[18:22] <WotGorila> a European religon
[18:22] <WotGorila> heh
[18:22] <WotGorila> man, i just don't understand all this crap
[18:23] <WotGorila> Don't know what to call people, you call someone an Indian, they say, no,
[18:24] <NiteLite> hehe
[18:24] <NiteLite> important to remember that they arent "Indian" or "Mexican" though ...
[18:24] <NiteLite> most people are just 1 person ;)
[18:25] <WotGorila> I'm still a honey mofo gringo...so that just never changes
[18:25] <WotGorila> LOL
[18:25] <NiteLite> with his own ideas about stuff
[18:25] <WotGorila> honky*
[18:25] <NiteLite> something tells me most mexicans dont know about http://www.mexica-movemen
[18:25] <NiteLite> hehe
[18:26] <WotGorila> I love this one
[18:26] <WotGorila> http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810
[18:26] <WotGorila> kill the gringo!!!
[18:26] <WotGorila> LOL
[18:28] <WotGorila> The Nation of Aztlan
[18:32] <WotGorila> heh, would end up just being worse than Mexico
[18:33] <WotGorila> and they would all go to Canada saying...GET off our Continent you frechi
[18:33] <NiteLite> lol
[18:33] <NiteLite> I think they forgot that countries change
[18:33] <NiteLite> lol
[18:33] <NiteLite> borders change
[18:33] <WotGorila> but they would only visit Canada during Apple Season
[18:33] <WotGorila> ;)
[18:34] <WotGorila> my aunt is mexican, but she bitches about illegals because she had to go
[18:35] <WotGorila> Actually, mexico would be better off as a new state of America
[18:36] <WotGorila> will never happen
[18:38] <WotGorila> America has too much paperwork problems
[18:38] <WotGorila> Need to get rid of income tax and just go with a federal sales tax
[18:38] <WotGorila> but that will never happen either
[18:39] <WotGorila> it will get to the point that you pay like 99$ of your income on Tax and
[18:39] <WotGorila> and people still won't complain
[18:40] <WotGorila> well, they will complain, like now, but nothing will happen
[18:45] <NiteLite> you dont have it that bad
[18:45] <NiteLite> cheap cars for instance :P
[18:46] <WotGorila> nahh, You are poor in America when you don't have room on your wall for y
[18:46] <NiteLite> hehe
[18:47] * NiteLite wishes Norway had american car prices
[18:47] <NiteLite> but we have free health care though ... so maybe i shouldnt bitch too much
[18:47] <WotGorila> I used to buy $50, 60 and 70's muscle cars all the time, perfect conditio
[18:48] <WotGorila> Yeah, NY has free healthcare if you make under like 60K a year
[18:48] <WotGorila> free dental too
[18:49] <WotGorila> even the illegal mexicans get that
[18:49] <NiteLite> hehe
[18:49] <NiteLite> cool
[18:49] <feldy> lo
[18:49] <NiteLite> how .... lo .... can you go ...
[18:50] <NiteLite> time to reboot
[18:50] <WotGorila> :) ho
[19:12] * notfakie2 is now known as notfakie
[19:38] <WotGorila> LOL Uhhh... that's a space sport??? http://www.space.com/php/multimedi
[19:39] <WotGorila> White trash Space Port..... on the next Jerry Springer
[19:40] <WotGorila> need like a litle old lady selling coffee out of the back
[19:42] <WotGorila> This would make a great wrapper for Mexican Beef Jerky http://viper1fl.t
[19:43] <Bibendum> I'm not sure what the moral of that story is
[19:44] <Bibendum> But I am terrified sufficiently
[19:50] <WotGorila> http://www.floridabikerphotos.com/DaytonaBikertoberfest2004/Lesbian.JPG
[19:51] <WotGorila> heh
[19:53] <Bibendum> Image fails to meet required hotness
[19:54] <WotGorila> hey, that's not a lesbian!
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[21:18] <TranQui|> http://www.theshyt.com/lowpolymodels/facialdisect02.jpg
[21:36] <WotGorila> thats neat
[21:36] <Bibendum> very erotic
[21:36] <DocHolidy> wanna see me do it again?
[21:37] <WotGorila> ;)
[21:38] <WotGorila> hiya doc
[21:38] <DocHolidy> hey!
[21:38] <DocHolidy> I cut off my left testicle today and replaced it with a small bag of skit
[21:39] <DocHolidy> if I were gay... I could pick up on dudes at the bar by saying..... "take
[21:49] <UTitan> hey rip
[22:05] <WotGorila> heh
[22:06] <WotGorila> aloha UT
[22:26] <DocHolidy> Justin :) Dave :) Piccy :)
[22:28] <FalConTer> hey rip
[22:34] <DocHolidy> http://www.allthepink.com/albums/celebrities/Monica_Bellucci/05//03.jpg
[22:34] <DocHolidy> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[22:34] <DocHolidy> pie
[22:35] <DocHolidy> PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE
[22:35] <DocHolidy> lo Bob
[22:35] <DocHolidy> you got pie?
[22:35] <DocHolidy> mmmmmmmmmmmmm pie
[22:35] <DocHolidy> PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE PIE
[23:10] <WotGorila> heh, they found a Step Pyramid in Bosnia
[23:10] <mcarp> url
[23:10] <WotGorila> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/19/AR2006041
[23:13] <mcarp> that is...well its odd
[23:14] <WotGorila> They also found a new Pyramid in Mexico
[23:14] <WotGorila> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190809,00.html
[23:14] <mcarp> why would a pyramid bigger than giza be buried
[23:14] <WotGorila> why would fossil fuel be miles underneath the ground
[23:14] <WotGorila> ;)
[23:14] <mcarp> good point
[23:15] <WotGorila> pretty much all the pyramids in Mexico were buried
[23:16] <WotGorila> We found a strange stone fort in Northern NY, looks to be at least 800 ye
[23:16] <WotGorila> maybe older
[23:16] <mcarp> cool stuff
[23:17] <mcarp> makes you wonder whats on the ocean floor doesnt it
[23:17] <WotGorila> yeah
[23:17] <Ezben> whats cool stuff?
[23:17] <WotGorila> :)
[23:17] <WotGorila> lots of cities under the ocean
[23:17] <mcarp> Ezben: anything thats 700 feet tall AND BURIED
[23:17] <Bibendum> does max have an equivalent function to mayas xyshrinkwrap?
[23:17] <Ezben> hehe
[23:19] <WotGorila> UVMAP/Shrinkwrap
[23:20] <mcarp> ive tried that many times and so far i havent found something it works well f
[23:22] <Bibendum> xyshrinkwrap in maya isnt a UV mapping tool :O
[23:26] <WotGorila> never used Maya so I have no idea, sorry
[23:26] <mcarp> Bibendum: whats it do?
[23:27] <Bibendum> It snaps vertices to the surface of a selected mesh, along the XY plane
[23:27] <klementin> one can play HD dvd's in a regular PC dvdrom right?
[23:28] <Bibendum> its commonly used with zbrush, because the geometry you get from zbrush is
[23:28] <Bibendum> so you create a new mesh over the zbrush mesh, and you snap the verts to i
[23:28] <Bibendum> until you get to the level of detail you want
[23:28] <Bibendum> so you get a fully detailed, organized, poly mesh
[23:29] <mcarp> er, that doesnt sound like anything that cant be done with snap to endpoints
[23:29] <mcarp> unless im misunderstanding you
[23:30] <mcarp> if you right click on the horseshoe magnet with the 3 on it you get the snaps
[23:30] <mcarp> select what you want to snap to on that dialog
[23:30] <mcarp> i leave it open cuz i switch to different snap methods
[23:31] <mcarp> then you engage snaps but left clicking that same button so that it is 'on'
[23:31] <Bibendum> you're misunderstanding me
[23:31] <mcarp> sure i am
[23:31] <mcarp> it sounded like you were snapping verts on a mesh to another mesh
[23:31] <Bibendum> I'm not going to individually snap 210398123 verts
[23:32] <mcarp> *shrug*
[23:32] <mcarp> yer building a whole new mesh right?
[23:32] <Bibendum> endpoints isnt what I'm looking for either, this doesn't snap to verts it
[23:32] <Bibendum> a very simplified version yes
[23:32] <mcarp> you can snap to anything in the snaps dialog
[23:33] <mcarp> check it out, you might be surprised
[23:33] <Bibendum> Yes
[23:33] <Bibendum> if I could get snap to plane working I might use it
[23:33] <Bibendum> but this doesn't solve the fact that I cant individually snap every vert i
[23:34] <Bibendum> snap to face, sorry
[23:35] <mcarp> no other ideas *shrug*
[23:36] <mcarp> well one other. you could script it
[23:36] <mcarp> *big silly shrug*
[23:49] <mcarp> "You can still set up, for example, a 'Nikesucks' Web site to complain about
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